Locked On Mariners - Daily Podcast On the Seattle Mariners - This Is How the Mariners Can Pry Shohei Ohtani Away From the Dodgers, Rangers, and Others

Episode Date: November 14, 2023

Shohei Ohtani is naturally garnering unprecedented interest around the league and will get paid in droves no matter where he decides to call home in 2024, so how can the Mariners overcome the likes of the Dodgers, Rangers, and others to land baseball's biggest star? Colby and Ty explore the possibility in detail and discuss the rather large risk Seattle might have to take in order to get it done. Then they look back on a popular trade target from last offseason, Bryan Reynolds, and determine if he could still be an option this winter despite signing an extension in Pittsburgh. Plus, why was Mike Ford designated for assignment this early in the offseason and why did the Mariners protect Zach DeLoach from the Rule 5 draft? All that coming up on this episode of Locked On Mariners!Follow the show on Twitter: @LO_Mariners | @danegnzlz | @CPat11Support Us By Supporting Our Sponsors!Jase MedicalGet $20 off these lifesaving antibiotics with Jase Medical by using code LOCKEDON at checkout on jasemedical.com.FanDuelScore early this NFL season with FanDuel, America’s Number One Sportsbook! Right now, NEW customers get ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY DOLLARS in BONUS BETS with any winning FIVE DOLLAR MONEYLINE BET! That’s A HUNDRED AND FIFTY BUCKS – if your team wins! Visit FanDuel.com/LOCKEDON to get started.FANDUEL DISCLAIMER: 21+ in select states. First online real money wager only. Bonus issued as nonwithdrawable free bets that expires in 14 days. Restrictions apply. See terms at sportsbook.fanduel.com. Gambling Problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit FanDuel.com/RG (CO, IA, MD, MI, NJ, PA, IL, VA, WV), 1-800-NEXT-STEP or text NEXTSTEP to 53342 (AZ), 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org/chat (CT), 1-800-9-WITH-IT (IN), 1-800-522-4700 (WY, KS) or visit ksgamblinghelp.com (KS), 1-877-770-STOP (LA), 1-877-8-HOPENY or text HOPENY (467369) (NY), TN REDLINE 1-800-889-9789 (TN) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Coming up, we'll tell you how the Mariners can sell show Hey, O'Tani on coming to Seattle and revisit a popular trade target for the M's last off season that actually might make sense this off season. Colby, hit it. You are Locked on Mariners. Your daily Seattle Mariners podcast, part of the Locked on podcast network, your team every day. Ahoy, sailors, it is Tuesday, November 14th, 2023. This is telling us, Colin Ours, Patnaud for the Locked on Marrers podcast, brought to you by

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And if you want to hear from us even more, please consider signing up for our Patreon. You can now get a free seven-day trial to check out the show. The link, as well as their social accounts, is in the description of this episode. So on the show today, we're going to revisit a popular trade target

for the Mariners last off-season and discuss if he's actually a possibility this off-season. That's Brian Reynolds, whose situation has obviously changed with the extension he's signed, but does that actually make him untouchable? We're going to talk about that later on. We also have a little bit of news to talk about as well.

But first, let me pay the picture for you, a pure hypothetical. John Stanton and the Mariners are actually willing to pay what it would take to bring Shohei Otani to Seattle, but they're competing with the likes of the Dodgers, the Giants, the Rangers, maybe the Mets and the Cubs. So how do they pry Otani away from those teams? How do they sell Otani on, you know, leaving the lights of L.A. for the Pacific Northwest. I want to explore that today.

So Colby, if you're John Stanton, Jerry DePoto, Justin Hollander, et cetera, what are the advantages Seattle has that you're pitching to Otani? There are some very real issues with Seattle trying to, not necessarily outbid because we know it's not just about the highest number, but just trying to outsell, essentially, the Dodgers, the Giants, the Rangers, maybe the Mets. One of them is obviously, you know, that ownership has a bit of a reputation, that this is a group that has stopped short when they were on the doorstep a couple times now. that is something that you have to kind of combat. This is a team that's never been to the World Series. You know, that's something that you have to try and work around because if winning matters,

then it's really hard to make an argument that Texas doesn't give you a better chance to win than Seattle right now because Texas just won the World Series and the Dodgers have been to the playoffs like 10 years in a row and they won like six division titles in a row and they won a World Series too, kind of. So, yeah, it's kind of tough. tough, but this is where I think your creativity has to come into play. And this is where I think ultimately what Otani wants more than anything is control over his own career. So that is what this is where I think is different or what could separate the Mariners

or give them a fighting chance in this conversation or in the sales pitch is total control over your situation, over your career, over where you play the rest of you. your career. So we've talked about this in the past, but I think it's, it's, you have to be willing to, um, just have show hay for a year and allow them to go back on the free agent market. Like you can't get greedy here and be like, we want three guaranteed years. And then after that, you get an option every other year and blah, blah, blah. I think you have to give them multiple options. And I think you have to give them one after year one. You have to give one after year two. Um, this is an additional course to paying them at the top of the market. So, uh, I think ultimately,

and it's just a guess, I think, what Shohei wants more than anything is that he wants to feel like he can kind of get out of a bad situation whenever he feels like it, which he was not able to do in Anaheim. So if the money's roughly the same, then it's going to come down to structure. So I think for me, it's what, what do we need to give you to feel comfortable coming to Seattle? Is it yearly opt-outs? Is it, you know, is it by yearly opt-outs? Is it like, what, what is it? what is the secret sauce here? Because we'll pay the same AAB as the Dodgers, which seems unlikely,

but in theory they could. We'll pay the same AAB as the Giants as the Rangers. So how can our structure beat what those teams are offering? Because in all seriousness, like, you're a better roster than the Giants. That's not really up for debate. I think it's debatable whether or not you're better than the Rangers. And by the way, show, if you come sign with us, I don't think that's debatable anymore.

I think we're definitely better than the Rangers. And the Dodgers obviously, yeah, the Dodgers have some serious pitching issues right now, particularly in their rotation. You know, if you're the Mariners, you can sell Otanion,

even without you in the rotation. We have arguably the best rotation in baseball, if not, you know, top three, top five. So, and then, you know,

with you in 2025 and beyond, like, we are definitively the best, rotation in baseball. So that's kind of your sales pitch on that front. But yeah, like you said, in terms of the, just strictly the negotiations, structure matters way more than money. Like I've talked about in the past, they both matter, but sure. I mean, he knows he's going to get broken off, though. He knows wherever he goes, he's going to get paid. He's going to get paid like probably the most insane contract we have ever seen in Major League Baseball history, just because of

who he is and what he is able to do and the uniqueness of Shohei Otani and the aura of Shohei Otani and also what that brings to your franchise and obviously Otani and his agent know that what you know financial benefits there are of having Shohei Otani on your team you know with the advertising the TV deals in Japan all that stuff but the way that money could play a factor here is if a team and in this case the Mariners actually make a financial commitment to him as a pitcher to Otani the pitcher some form of financial commitment because we've talked about obviously with the elbow issue and the fact that look over the duration of the contract whatever contract he winds up signing any team that's negotiating with him probably thinks that at a certain

point he's going to have to stop doing both, that he's going to have to pick pitching or hitting towards the end of that contract. So it's going to be incentive base. It's going to be very incentive heavy with innings pitched, all that stuff. But, and maybe this doesn't matter. But if money is going to actually play a factor, because again, he's going to get paid no matter what, if money is going to actually play a real factor into the negotiations and play a factor into his actual decision

might be if team actually goes we believe in you as a pitcher we believe that you're going to pitch for at least X amount of years and they pitch in 15, 20 million dollars guaranteed on a per year basis plus incentives based off of inning's pitch rather than just strictly incentives which the Dodgers might get away with that

they might get away with just incentives for the pitching, really no guaranteed money on the pitching front from 2025 onward. But if your team like the Mariners that has to overcome the Dodgers that has to overcome the Giants, that has to overcome the Rangers in these negotiations, you might actually have to take a risk and just fork over those dollars. Yeah, it's pretty big risk, though. So, you know, it's a difficult dance that you kind of have to maneuver here. I think it was Will Carroll, who I believe is at, I don't think it's called Roto World anymore, but I think I read something this morning that said that there was a team out there in the Otani talks who essentially wanted to give him two contracts, one as an offensive player and then one as a pitcher.

And the offensive contract would pay him just under what Aaron Judge got last year. And then the pitching deal, while it would technically be one contract, it's essentially two different contracts and one. and it would pay him. So it's like $35 million as a hitter and then $20 million as a pitcher or whatever. And that's kind of what it looks like. At least one team is willing to do. And that's what you're describing. And, you know, it's easy to say like that sounds like Seattle,

but it could just as easily be the Giants. It could just as easily be the Dodgers or the Rangers or the Mets. So you're kind of in a tough spot. Right. Yeah. I mean, like it's just anything that makes sense for the Mariners to do, makes sense for every other team in baseball to do. So you just have to be willing to do it.

And I think most teams are going to be willing to do that kind of that structured deal. And that's why I think you have to go to the extreme of like, you want to opt out after every single year, fine. You know, then have it. You can have an opt out. You can pick whenever you want to be a free agent. Yeah. And I think that's pretty much your best shot.

And you hope that no other teams are willing to go that far. And also we're kind of assuming that Otani wants like a long-term deal. deal, maybe he just wants a one year deal, you know, just signed for $40 million this year, and then go back out on the market next year when you are going to be able to sell yourself as a pitcher and a hitter. And you can, you know, kind of test a place out. You know, maybe it's Seattle. Maybe it's Chicago.

Maybe it's Atlanta or whatever. And you just, oh, I'll just go DH there for a year, see if I like it. And if I do, then maybe I'm open to a long-term thing. If not, I'm back on the market. And I'm still going to make my, you know, $550, $600 million. So, yeah, but we're just making a lot of assumptions on what Otani wants. But it does seem to me that what he's going to value the most, again, just total guess, is control over his career, over where he spends his career.

And to me, that means he's going to want opt-outs. That means he's going to want some guarantees that, like, when he decides he's done pitching, that's when I'm done pitching. When I decide that I'm going to give up this two-way thing, that's when it's going to happen, not a minute before. And if you're not willing to facilitate that, then I want the ability to leave. And so it's that.

It's, you know, obviously there no trade clause, full no trade clause and all that stuff. So that he has total control over where he, uh, spends each every single year of his career. And I think that's how you kind of,

you know, put yourself near the top of the list. I think that's your really only, that's really your only sales pitch that you can, uh, conceivably give that would, you know, entice him to pick you over Texas, Los Angeles, San Francisco.

Yeah, because while selling him on the roster and the area and all that stuff is great, and that's obviously part of the pitch. It's part of it. And selling him on, here's Julio and Etro's here and all that stuff. That's great and all that. But ultimately, it comes down to structure and it comes down to the dollars and mostly structure. And I think the way that you, the most feasible way in my mind that you can sell Otani on actually signing with your ball club in Seattle is by giving him opt-outs off to pretty much every single

year and providing him with a financial belief in him as a pitcher. And again, that's probably going to be some hefty guarantees. I'm talking 10, 15, maybe $20 million guaranteed on a per year basis from at least 2025 to like 2027, at least. So it's a major risk. But if you want to get a player like this and you want to overcome a team like the Dodgers, it's probably what you have to do. And that's probably just the reality of the situation. And even then, that might not be enough.

Who knows? But that's essentially what our sales pitch would be to Shohei Otani to get him to Seattle. Now, let's switch gears here. Let's talk about another player that we spent a lot of time talking about last offseason. That's Brian Reynolds. Could he still be a possibility for the Mariners this offseason? I'll talk about that in just a moment. But first, a reminder of this episode of the lockdown

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Thank you again for making us your first listen. So, Colby, you put out a poll yesterday asking our listeners if they would trade Brian Wu or Bryce Miller for Brian Reynolds, who we haven't talked about in a while because he signed an extension and that kind of killed the, you know, trade discourse surrounding him in the Mariners sphere. And the results of the poll, I think, at least, you know, the last time you checked them, kind of surprised you, right? Yeah. It was pretty overwhelming that the answer was yes. It was 77% said yes on about 800 votes.

So that is surprising to me. I thought it'd be 60-40. I think what I learned is that the name Brian Reynolds carries more value than the player Brian Reynolds actually is, or at least has been for the last couple of years. So, yeah, you know, it's definitely an interesting idea. Pittsburgh certainly needs young pitching. They need pitching in general,

but again, Pittsburgh's not the type of team that's going to go out there and be in on the, you know, Michael Waka's even of the world. So, you know, might they go sign Kyle Gibson for like $8 million? Sure, I guess. But they need young, controllable cheap pitching because they are a cheap ball club. And so Miller-A-Woo makes a lot of sense for them, especially they just lost Oviedo. Sounds like he's probably going under the knife for Tommy John. So he'll be out all of 2024.

So really, Brewbaker's out for 2024 already. So really, it's just Keller. in that rotation and then a whole lot of nothing like they can go in trying to get the Kyle Gibson and the Rich Hill types but I mean this is a team that I think in theory had ideas that maybe they could compete for a wild card next year they were surprisingly solid this year and they've had you know Swinsky and Reynolds and and O'Neill Cruz will be back next year even though he's not very good and good and good Brian Hayes and you know you kind of look around and go oh they've got some some stuff they've got some pieces here and

If they have a smart off season, they could conceivably, you know, win 85 games next year. And that gives you a shot to make it to the in the wild card. So and also the NL Central's bad. Like it's not a good division. Yeah. Especially if Milwaukee's going to rebuild. That one's wide open. Yeah, the division winner.

Yeah. Yeah. So it all makes a lot of sense. But the thing is is that if you're Seattle, right, you're not trading those guys for prospects. And if you're if you're Pittsburgh, there's not a lot of guys as good as these two who are going to be as cheap money wise as these two. So how do you find middle ground? Well, who do we know for a fact Seattle has had serious interest in pretty much each of the last two off seasons? Brian Reynolds.

And what do we know about Jerry Depoto? Loves to circle back. He doesn't give up on deals. So in theory, you have something that Pittsburgh needs. Pittsburgh has something that you need or want. There's the deal. Right. And Pittsburgh, just because Brian Reynolds signed an extension there,

it doesn't mean they had any intention of making him a forever Pittsburgh pirates. Right. Like they are definitely going to be willing to trade him. Are they willing to trade him this winter? I don't know. Maybe, maybe not. But yeah, there is at the very, at the very, you know, surface level,

there is a connection here and there is a path to a deal, whether or not it makes sense for Seattle. I don't know. I think it makes a tremendous amount of sense for Pittsburgh because Brian Reynolds, as I mentioned at the top, just not as good as people seem to think. He's been, right, what, a three-win player last year, two and a half?

Like, he's just been kind of solid. I mean, he's been fine. He's been good, but he's Ian Hap. not, you know, he's not even, he's, he's basically in half, you know, he's not a star. So. Yeah. It's, it's really starting to look like the, uh, the 2021 season is just an outlier for him. And he's more of a, you know, two to four win player, which I know is a very large gap.

But that's kind of in the range that he's been three and a half in 2019, 2.8 in 2022, 2.3.3 this past year. Um, you know, 263, 330, 460. 10 WRC plus, 24 home runs, 84 ribs. He doesn't particularly grade out well defensively. Yeah, defender in left, full-time left-fielder this year. So he doesn't have the excuse of like, oh, well, he's a center. They're forcing him to play center, but he's really a left-fielder.

Nope, he doesn't have that. And so, you know, you kind of look at that. He's making more money than somebody like Randy or Rosarena. The bat on Randy seems to have a higher floor than the bat on Reynolds. So I don't know why would trade Miller-R-Woo. And if you're not trading one of those guys, you're probably not getting Reynolds because you're not. It's probably not worth it to the, yeah, like the pirates probably don't feel that it's worth it at that point. So I mean, maybe if you're throwing Jared Kelnick and, you know, Emerson Hancock and a decent prospect at him.

But, yeah, just it's, there's not a smooth deal here. I mean, obviously if Pittsburgh ads like David Bednar or something like that. then maybe you're interested in trading a Wu or a Miller. And, you know, there are some complimentary pieces that Pittsburgh has. I just wrote about a rookie third baseman, not Brian Hayes, who is really interesting, fit for Seattle and, you know, good insurance for Gino. Great defender at third base. He actually hit a little bit in his debut.

Not a lot of pop. I think it's Jason Terillo is how you pronounce it. just solid 25 year old triple a depth there are some pieces in Pittsburgh that can make this deal work as a whole but in a vacuum I think trading Reynolds for like Miller I think that makes a lot more sense for Pittsburgh than it does Seattle SotoSports.substack.com by the way if you want to read what Colby is talking about there

so yeah Reynolds signed a an eight-year 106.7 million dollar extension earlier this year. He's club-controlled through 2031. That's a $20 million option, club option

in 2031. So it's definitely not prohibitive money-wise, even for you know, even for the fact that he is regressing and has been regressing in each of the

last two years going from a 6-1 player to a 2.8 win player in 2020 and then 2.3 this year. You know, he's still a good player. Like I would still consider Brian Reynolds to be a good player. But I don't think I would trade Miller and Wu for him. I really don't. I don't think he's worth that. I think that's probably what it would take to get him from the pirates, like you said. I don't think he's worth that.

So that's probably a long win of way of saying that I'm out. at that point. But, you know, if they do find a way here, if they do find a path, then great. I think there is definitely a package that the Mariners can put together that is fair valuation for Brian Reynolds in a vacuum. But I don't think it's something that the pirates would actually accept. It's kind of a similar discussion to like what we've talked about with Gino, right? Where it's like, yeah, there's fair valuation that a team can put together for Gino. But because of all these other external factors, it doesn't make sense for the mirrors.

same thing with the pirates and Brian Reynolds if it's Hancock and Kelnick you know like maybe you're interested at that point but even then for me it's not hard for me to imagine Kelmick having a better year than Brian Reynolds lot next year so yeah I mean if Kellnick

if Kalnick plays a full season and he might not have been that far off from him in 2023 so yeah so we'll see but something to keep an eye on but I don't think it's that likely agreed all right so before we get out of here

we got a little bit of news to go over with the mariners obviously the the deadline to protect non-40 man roster guys from the Rule 5 draft is today at I believe

3 o'clock Pacific time and the Mariners have made a move to protect Zach DeLoche from the Rule 5 draft that's a a little bit of a surprise.

And an even bigger surprise is that they DFAed Mike Ford to make room for Deloche on the 40-man roster. So I did think that he was going to be either DFAed or traded at some point this off season. Just a little surprise that it happened this early. Why do you think it happened this early, Colby? Why not? Obviously, you still have like guys like Ryan Jensen and all that. Obviously, it means that they're signing show hey, O'clock. Connie this afternoon and they needed to clear out the DH spot.

That's what I'm reading on Twitter. Right. That's how it works. That's how roster building works. Totally how it works. Yeah. So yeah. Particularly on November 14th.

Sure. Why Ford? Because it really doesn't matter. If the plan is to non-tender, which obviously was the plan, it doesn't matter. And by, you know, by DFA and now, he gets to go through waivers. you get free agency a little bit sooner. And maybe you're trying to kind of sneak him through waivers. Maybe you've had this conversation with Mike about, you know,

hey, we don't want to offer you a $1.3 million or whatever, but we'd like to have you back. And if you can clear through waivers, we'll outright you and blah, blah, blah. Or, you know, so or they feel pretty decent about the shot. I mean, today, by the way, most 40 men are going to be full. So in order to claim Mike Ford, you'd have to drop somebody who, who you've just protected. So it's a pretty good time of the year right now to try and sneak somebody through waivers.

And maybe the game plan here is just like, we'll put you through waivers and anybody wants to claim you. I mean, fantastic. They want to pay you the $1.3 million. We wish you luck. If not, we'd love to have you back here on a minor league deal and we'll give you the invite to spring training and we'll give you a, you know, like a hefty bonus of some kind to, uh, to, you know, get you back and camp with us. So it could be as simple as that. It could just be that they didn't want to, they didn't want to tender them a contract. might as well DFA them now.

Let them go out there early. You know, typically speaking, Seattle's going to make a lot of moves. So they don't really, it doesn't really matter the order in which you DFA somebody. So if a guy you know is not going to be back next year or you know it's not going to be on your 40 man, it doesn't matter. It just, it doesn't like. Sure. Just do it out. They DFA Ryan Jensen today.

It doesn't matter. They DFA Trent Thornton today. It doesn't matter. So, you know, just kind of forwards the guy they picked. And my guess would be is that they think they can sneak him through waivers because today is the day where everybody's adding to their 40 man. So there's a decent chance he sneaks through waivers. And I think they probably feel like there's a decent chance he'll accept his assignment to AAA. Maybe not.

Maybe. Maybe he clears waivers. He didn't, he rejects his assignment. And then he signs a major league deal back with Seattle for $750,000. instead of, you know, 1.3 million. Maybe. We don't know. But ultimately, it doesn't matter that much. Mike Ford, clearly Seattle wasn't going to pay him the 1.3.

So whether you DFAM now or you non-tendium in a week, the results is the same. So protecting Zach the Loach, what do you think about that move? That's a bit of a surprise, a bit of a weird one. It's weird. Yeah, it's weird. It tells me that Taylor Tremel's probably not surviving the winter on your 40 man. unfortunately because with Kelnick with Marlowe now Deloach you don't kind of Yeah you don't need five left-handed hit left-handed hitting outfield or corner

outfield guys on your 40 man. Particularly you don't need four of them who should be in AAA to start the year. So Tramel's also out of options. So if you didn't make the club, he's probably going to get DFA in. So yeah, kind of an interesting choice. I think there was a decent chance Deloche was selected. So I don't think that it's like, oh, nobody would ever take him while you're adding him to the 40 man. It's just interesting that Seattle didn't want to lose Deloche.

Yeah. So maybe there's a team, maybe there's a trade out there that they're working and Deloche is like a part of it. Maybe they just like Zach Deloche. And he had a solid year in Tacoma. You know, obviously you have to be careful with AAA numbers. But Tacoma is not the, you know, the hitters paradise like most of the PCL is. He drew a ton of walks. He's a decent defender, good athlete.

He started to get into some power at the end of the year. Like it's a decent prospect. There is a fourth, fifth outfield type of tool set here. It's just kind of weird that Seattle didn't want to risk losing him. And like I said, in particular, like you mentioned, when they have Kellnick, Tramel, Marlowe, Canzone already on their 40, man. So that tells me that he has leaped. I would assume Tremel, maybe Marlowe also, but I doubt it. I think Taylor's the odd man out here because it's just a very similar skill set to the other five guys.

So yeah, it's interesting. I didn't think Seattle was going to add anybody to their 40 man today. But, you know, they must think that the Loach is at least a usable player, you know, useful player and you can use them in a pinch. Yeah, you know, obviously we know they like him. They took him in the second round. And it could just be that, you know, they're finally seeing the player they thought they saw when they took them the second and they want to give them one more year. But yeah, I mean, also worth noting, this doesn't mean Zach Deloche is going to, you know, make survive the winter on the 40 men either.

So a lot of the time these type of moves are just window dressing and, and they get come and go really quick and all that. But yeah, I did think it was interesting that, you know, Deloche was added. I wasn't expecting that. And I think, unfortunately, it probably means the end for Taylor in C. Seattle, which real bummer because, you know, Tremel's, you know, one of my favorite dudes in the org. It just seems like a great guy. Just didn't really hit here. And maybe you can find a trade for him.

Maybe you could be part of something, a trade. Or like I said, maybe we're all wrong. And it's just we're about ready to trade DeLoch, you know, in a couple days. And we just wanted to make sure that we had them. So right, right. I guess we'll see. All right. So that's going to do it for our show.

question of the day for you guys down in the comments below what's the best Marvel movie MCU we'll just keep it to MCU nothing before the MCU what's the best MCU movie is it still which one was yours Colby I can't remember which one was your number one the last time we ranked them

it generally rotates between like three it just kind of depends on what I've seen most recently and all that stuff I'm pretty sure it was Infinity War but it might have been in game is usually up there yeah Um, it's usually one of those two.

And then No Way Home is, is probably up there now, but, yeah, uh, can we put Loki as number one? Uh, it is a title. It's not a movie.

Uh, but it's, uh, it's, uh, I would say it's probably infinity war right now. Uh, ooh,

ooh, it might have been, uh, Captain America Winter Soldier, though, love that one as well. Winter Soldier is great. First Captain America is really underrated too.

It is solid. It's solid. It's solid. Yeah, really like that movie. Um, still Thor Ragnarok for me. That's good too. Which again makes Thor love and thunder all the more disappointed.

Is it possible Thor's only good with Loki? Maybe. Maybe he also needs Bruce Banner there too. Maybe. Yeah, let us know. And join us in Locked on Marvel as soon as somebody gets it through their thick head that that's a good idea. Right, right. You know who you are.

Right. Got the perfect host right here. Just saying, just saying, just putting that out there. Also, I think you're going to be appearing on a certain other Mariners podcast. We'll see if they're serious, but yeah, I'd like to be. I like the nerdy stuff. So, yeah. We get into some of that stuff over on the Patreon as well, patreon.

com. For it slash control the zone. So yeah, let us know what the best MCU movie is, or not even best, just your favorite. Because, again, I like to differentiate the two. whatever. All right, that's going to do for our show. Thank you so much for joining us here on the Lockdown Marrars podcast for Colby Patnode. I'm Taday Gonzalez. Be sure to give us a follow on Twitter at L-O underscore Mariners. You can follow me at Dan Gonzalez. It's D-A-N-Z-L-Z and Colby at C-P-E-E-N-Z-L-Z and you can also find all that stuff in the description of this episode.

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