Locked On Mariners - Daily Podcast On the Seattle Mariners - Top 5 Mariners Due For Regression (Some Positive!) in 2025

Episode Date: October 29, 2024

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Who are the top five candidates to regress for the Mariners in 2025? Colby will tell you that. And I'll give you my top five baseball video games of all time coming up here on top five Tuesday. Colby, hit it. You are Locked-on Mariners. Your daily Seattle Mariners podcast. Part of the Locked-on Podcast Network, your team every day. Ahoy, Sailors.

It is Tuesday, October 29, 2024. This is Ted Nogales and Colby Patnaud for the Lockdown Marries podcast. part of the Locked-on Podcast Network, your team, every day. It is Top 5 Tuesday. The wheel has determined that Colby will give you his top-five regression candidates for the Marys in 2025, and I'll give you my top-five baseball video games of all time. So it should be fun. Before we get into that, though, shout out to our title sponsor today.

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So be sure to check that out. All right. So top five regression candidates. A perfect topic for you, Colby, some would say. But I think you're going to be attacking this a little bit differently than maybe some would expect. Yeah, as I often do, I'm going to redefine the parameters to fit what I want to talk about here. So yes, regression to what?

Regression to the mean, right, to what is and what is reasonable to expect from a player. And that regression works both ways, right? You can have positive regression towards the mean. You could have negative regression to the mean. So, well, I'm sure the spirit of the question is regression candidates like that. I would also challenge you with this. pick five players on the Mariners who could be significantly worse than they were this year i think that would be pretty easy for some of our listeners sure but hori polanco's not going to be

here Mitch garber isn't going to get worse than he was this year he can't Mitch hanniger probably shouldn't there's definitely going to be a comment down below that's like john stanton jerry depoto yeah jason hollander dan wilson yeah yeah never heard that was a joke books before. Ha ha. Keep saying them, though. They're really funny. Anyways, so yes, regression to the mean is what we're shooting for here. And I think on my list of five right now, I have two negative regression candidates, two positive regression candidates. And one, that's kind of up in the air. It could go either way. It kind of depends on how you want to, how you want to view it. So let's start off the list on a positive note, as I am known for doing.

and we'll go with positive regression to Julio Rodriguez. I think the 2024 season that we just saw, that is not an average Julio season. That's the floor. Like that's the minimum. Assuming he plays enough games, obviously, you could always get hurt, 60 games in. And, you know, that's the new floor, blah, blah, blah. But I think Julio, what we just saw, that's the floor. Like, that's as bad as it gets.

We just know this guy hits the ball way too hard. We know that he hits the ball. way too far. We know that the power is significantly higher than what we saw this year. I don't think we're going to see any more stretches where he goes three months with five extra base hits combined. I don't think we're going to see him struggle to get to 20 home runs. Now, obviously, he's got to put in the work because there were some very real mechanical issues that led him to hit a ton of ground balls and basically become a singles hitter for the first three months. So he's got to change that. And we started to, we started to see those changes really from July

forward to the end of the year. We saw. all those changes. And I think that's the version of Julio you're going to get for most of 2025. Is he going to put up a 160 WRC plus for all of 2025? I mean, he could. Like, that's certainly like in his skill set. Is it likely? No. I think he'll probably settle in somewhere in the 130 to 140 range.

And I think 125 to 130 is pretty much the mean. Like I think that's an average Julio season. So, you know, I just think the guy's way too talented. I think we started to see the positives really come into play starting early July and then obviously he finished very strong. But if not for that three week stretch there, he probably would have hit a three week stretch on the IL. He probably would have hit 24, 25 homers, maybe even stolen 30 bags. He just didn't really run after that injury for obvious reasons. And we know the defense is really good.

So I think his floor is basically what he was this year, which is a three and a half win player, four win player. That's the floor. he can improve and get to the median. And I think the median for him or the mean, whatever you want to call it is five, five and a half wins. I think that's where he should be. So I think Julio is actually a positive regression candidate,

simply because he is far too talented to consistently put up the season that we just saw, which for anybody else would be a really good season. But Julio's that talented. So that's why he's going to positively regress. Yeah. And you've obviously seen it in these hot stretches, particularly over the last couple of seasons, it's absolutely not far-fetched at all to expect that he's going to be able to level out that production

over the course of a full season eventually. And, yeah, I think that'll happen here in 2025. Yeah, so coming in at number four, we have a bit of the choose-your-own-adventure type of player here. You can either see this as positive regression or negative regression. It's kind of up to you. Are you a negative person or a positive person? I wonder. But number four is Luis Castillo.

Now, people would always say Castillo already did regress. And he did, but I think there's a chance he can actually fix it and get right back to where he was. I don't think this is necessarily a permanent step backwards. Because when you look at Luis Castillo, when you dig into the numbers for last year, his problem, far and away is against left-handed hitters versus right-handed hitters dominated them. right-handed hitters hit 2.05, 253, 323 against him. Lefties, on the other hand, 275, 336, 509 against Castillo. You look at some of the other numbers here. The K-per-9 against Ritees is 995 versus lefties.

It's only 7-76. Based on ball per nine was 1.84 versus Ritees, 3.13 against lefties. The FIP against Ritees is 259. the fifth against lefties is 5-5-7. So, yeah, very clearly, he was pretty bad against left-handed, left-handed hitters this year. I mean, really bad, just to be blunt and perfectly honest,

he was not good. He needs to get better against left-handed hitters. When you look at the pitch mix, the fastball, the foreseamer, and the slider were both very good. Now, the fastball took a step back a little bit in terms of whiffs, but still opponents hit 203, I believe, against the pitch. The slider also very good opponents hit. I think under 210 against that pitch as well with a pretty healthy whiff rate.

So those two pitches were fine. Unfortunately, the sinker was the real culprit here. It was hit and it was hit hard. And for a pitch that is supposed to be hit on the ground, a 457 slugging percentage against that pitch is disastrous. So why am I optimistic that this could just be a one-off and Castillo can regress to the mean, even though he's going to be 32 here in a couple weeks? I think it's the change up.

When he was acquired, his best pitch was the change up. Since coming to the Seattle Mariners, it's been his worst pitch. He doesn't throw it that often. And he's mostly been a sinker slider guy. But his ground ball rate has gone down over the last few years. The sinker, as we mentioned, is getting elevated.

He's not commanding it very well. The forcing fastball still has juice. It still has value. He's still getting a good amount of wifts on it. The slider is still very good. But when you're synchering your changeup or your two worst pitches as a right-handed pitcher, and those are the pitches that you need to get out lefties,

you're in trouble. So the change of hasn't been good for a few years. He's thrown it less and less every year. That needs to change. Luis Castillo needs to get back to the change-up. Maybe he'll never get it back to what it was in Cincinnati, but it needs to get closer to what that was because that is the legitimate weapon. And if he can get to a point where lefties are just average against him,

they're not crushing him. He doesn't even have to dominate lefties, but if you can get to the point where that's average, I think you're going to see the ERA slide right back down to the, you know, mid to low threes. You're going to see the FIPPS slide back down. You're probably going to see more strikeouts.

The whiff rates are going to go back up. So I think the change up is the key here for Luis Castillo, but he did take a step back this year. He is 32. Is he willing to adjust? Is he willing to adapt? Some guys aren't. And it bites them at the end.

They just think, oh, well, I'll just be more crisp with my sinker. I'll just, I'll just tweak that pitch. and that'll get me back on top. You have to be willing to adapt.

You have to be willing to change. And if Castillo isn't, we could see him take yet another step back. Again, he's 32 years old. If he is, and he can just bring back a pitch, which not only has he previously had, a pitch that he previously dominated with,

just two years ago, if you can bring that back, then he's going to equalizing against lefties. You look at the fastball run value, elite fastball run value, breaking ball run value. It's like 87th percentile. He needs the change up.

That is the pitch that will either save or sink Luis Castillo in 2025. So 2024, is he going to regress beyond below that? Is he going to be better than he was? I don't know. Yeah. Well, and like you said, at the very least, the change that you think he needs to make is something that he already has. Right. You're not asking him to do something he's never done before.

No. I'm not asking him to learn a pitch he's never thrown in his life. I'm asking him to rediscover a pitch that he dominated with. for a couple years that he probably still has in his back pocket. Again, maybe it needs to be refined. Maybe he needs to tweak some things on it. But that's the pitch that should be his focus. Get that change up back.

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The wheel has determined that Colby will be doing his top five regression candidates this episode. He has already done his first two. I'm going to get into his top three now. And then after that, I'll be giving you my top five baseball video games of all time. So look forward to that. So Colby, number three on your top five regression candidates. list. Yeah, we'll go back into the positive here a little bit. J.P. Crawford, I think, is a pretty good bet to regress back to the mean. And for J.P. Crawford, I think the mean is league

average, right? Like, we're never going to see 20, 23 J.P. Crawford again. It was fun. Never going to happen again. That's fine. Doesn't need to happen. But he can't be as bad as he was this year. Like, J.P. Crawford was the worst or one of the worst left-handed hitters against right-handed pitching in all of baseball. He was dreadful, and that is such a weird split. It's such an outlier split, too, that you almost have to look at and say, like, that's not repeatable. Like, you can't possibly be that bad against right.

Even if you're not very good, you just can't be that bad. So, JP, you know, he dealt with a couple of injuries this year. The bat, it's tough to blame the injuries for the lack of production, though, because he was never really, you know, on a role at any point this year. like so i don't think it's fair to say the injuries hurt like i mean obviously injuries hurt but like the injuries didn't hurt his production like it's not it's not as easy as just being like oh he'll be healthy this year it'll be fine that'll fix it no jp has to make some serious changes he has to uh you know put in some work on his swing this year like obviously you know he was

in 2023 he was getting to the pole side a lot more he was driving the ball with authority to the pole side and that's how he found 1920 home run power he doesn't have to get there but he has to be able to do damage to pitches that aren't just in the middle of the plate, right? You can't just sit fastball in the middle and, oh, that's the one pitch I can pull. Like, no, you have to be able to attack, you know, down around the knees, especially if you have to, you can't be so easy to pitch to, right? Injuries are part of that, you know, it's interesting. I didn't notice any major changes in his swing or anything like that this season.

So I think possibly the league adjusted to J.P. Crawford and J.P. Crawford, just didn't adjust back to the league. It just pretty much the same cookie cutter thing we saw last year. So it's on him. He's got to put the work in this winter. He's got to figure out what went wrong, figure out how to change it to get back to what closer to what he was in 2020. But again, even with just like,

minuscule changes and just a little bit of better luck, it's almost hard to imagine that he's not going to be at least 10, 15% better than he was in 2024 just by you know putting in just putting in work this winter and just understanding this is how pitchers are attacking me now I need to adjust I need to counter I need to counter punch and you know JP has been a league average bat for pretty much his entire career with the exception of 2023 when he was well above league average to this year where he was well below league average the middle has always yeah there has to be some middle ground right I just I can't I can't fathom. I can't fathom that, especially after the changes that he made in

2023 or leading into the 2020 season, that he's this bad, right? So, you know, I never thought that he was going to be, you know, a perennial 130 WRC plus guy. Like, I didn't think that he was going to be able to carry that over from 2023 to 2024, but I just, I felt like, all right, I feel pretty good. He's going to give me a 110 to 115 WRC plus from this point forward with the changes that he's made. and then it just went in the complete opposite direction. It was mind blowing, frankly. Yeah, I mean, like, you look at what he was in 2021.

He was a 103 WRC plus in 2022. He was 105. And then the spike year at 136. And then this year, all the way down to 89, it's the lowest his WRC plus has been since his first season in Seattle. So you have to go all the way back to 2019 since he's been this bad. I think regressing to the 2021, 2022 type of season. is totally doable. Again,

JP's 29 years old. It's not like he's 33 and he fell off a cliff or anything like that. He's still in his athletic prime. Again, I think this is just about getting a little bit healthy, understanding that, you know, your success leads the league to counter,

you know, counteroffensive you. You need to find a way to strike back. You need to make the changes. You need to be better, right? You need to be simply be J.P. Crawford. And I think he can do that because, again, he's only 29 years old.

And we have. the proof of concept. I think that him getting just back to 100 WRC plus 11% better. I don't think that's too difficult of a task to ask. And I don't think that's an unrealistic expectation to put on J.P. Crawford, just be an average hitter. Yeah. And frankly, if he is an average hitter or a slightly above average hitter, I think that significantly changes the outlook. Yep. J.P. Crawford is one of those, you know, he's going to be one of those pendulum players that has the potential to like lift the Mariners to the American League West. championship or you could have another down year and he could be the guy who drops them to,

you know, fringe wildcard contention. I mean, if you had J.P. Crawford of 2020, uh, 2023 this year, you're making the playoffs. You've, you made the playoffs. Like, I might win the division. Like that's how big of a difference J.P. Crawford made. Uh, but I just think J.P. getting back to what he was in 2022, to 105 WRC plus, I think that's a totally reasonable expectation.

And I think that is something that you should. more or less be able to bank on heading into this year. And that's why he's a positive regression candidate. So number two on your list. Who is it? No more positivity. It's Colin Snyder, who was a huge part of the Mariners bullpen in a time where pretty much everybody else in

the bullpen struggled. Snyder was kind of the one consistent guy who got the job done. Did struggle a little bit towards the end of the year. home run ball got him a little bit. But Snyder's never been this good, right? His K for nine basically doubled. His base on ball rate basically dropped in half. Like Colin Snyder has never been this good before.

And if you never been this good before, it's reasonable to expect that like, hey, maybe he's not this good overall, right? Like we've seen relievers have these ridiculous seasons. Then they come back to next year and they're fine. You know, they're, they're totally like usable players and all that stuff. but they're not anywhere close to what they were. And Colin Snyder ran a sub 1 ERA. He was a legitimate high leverage dude at times this year.

Right. Can he do that again? I don't know. Like he ran a sub 2 ERA. The FIPP says he got a little bit lucky, which, you know, understandably, I think is fair.

But yeah, like his K-per-9 went from 4.87 in 20203 to 10.15 in 2020. doubled. Doubled. The base on balls basically cut exactly in half. 5.75 based on ball per nine in 2020, 2.81 this last year. That's insane. Before this year, his career best FIPP was 445.

This year was 3,4,1. This is the first year he's had a positive war. Now, it's not a huge sample size, right? It's not like Snyder's been in the league for 10 years or anything like that. But the question is, like, is this repeatable? If you're looking for, you know, reasons for optimism, yeah, it might be because there was a tangible change that the Mariners gave to Colin Snyder, or maybe Snyder discovered it himself.

But it's essentially the same, you know, game plan that the Mariners gave to Paul Seawald, that turned Seawald into, you know, a high leverage reliever for three years. It is, hey, you throw this kind of like high sidearm release point thing. You're a sinker slider guy. We want you at the bottom of the zone. That's what Snyder's been told his entire life. Don't worry about strikeout. You're a ground ball guy.

Comes to Seattle. They said, hey, your sinker actually. sucks it's your worst pitch stop throwing it throw your forcing fastball throw it at the top of the zone too the sweeper's really good throw that mixing the cutter ditch the sinker you don't need it it sucks it's terrible and that's basically the exact same game plan they gave to paul seawald and the results for those two guys in their first year in seattle pretty identical and the questions were can paul seewald repeat that or is it just a one-year thing he could repeat it he did a couple more times. So can Snyder repeat that? Sure. Until you see it happen a second time, though,

until you see these changes stick and, you know, actually improve. It's tough to say that you just bank on this guy. Like, you should not enter next year expecting Colin Snyder to be like, to use a very generic term, an eighth inning guy. Like Snyder should be a middle guy who works his way into that as he proves himself again and again. So I actually think that Snyder's season might be more legit than not because there were tangible changes made, but he's absolutely a regression candidate because he's only done it once in his entire career.

And he's 28, 29 years old. He's an older guy. So of course he's a regression candidate, but I am reasonably optimistic that he can, at the very least, be like a seventh inning type of guy, kind of in that, be in the mix in the middle, you know, sixth, seventh inning type. It'd be pretty good at that.

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and right after he's time with that I'll be giving you my top five baseball video games of all time but all right Colby tell us about Victor Robles why is he your number one regression candidate number number one is Cal Raleigh because nobody can be that successful

hitting 210. You want to be that guy huh? He hit 210 tie he struck out like 30% of the time of course So I've been told on Twitter many of times. Yeah. Yeah, it's Victor Robles. Of course it is. Are you nuts?

Like you're a fool if Victor Robles is the number one on your list. Again, regression candidates. You don't have to predict regression. It doesn't mean that they are going to regress. Right. Yeah. But come on. Victor Robles for 70 games last year,

essentially was an MVP candidate. And he's never been anywhere. It's so crazy to say that out loud. It is, but it's accurate. He was a three and a half win player in 70 games. Yeah. Like, do the math. Like that is a six, six, seven win player right there.

That is an MVP candidate right there. And he has never come remotely close to doing that for any consistent period of time, any significant stretch of time in his entire career, not anywhere close. Of course he's number one. of course you should be worried about Victor Robles because if you're banking on him doing what he did last year in 2025, you're asking to be screwed. Like you're asking to just be in a terrible position. You have to protect yourself from Victor Robles regression.

And you have. And unfortunately, even if Robles is like a league average bat, which he probably could be, like that is still significant regression from what he was last year. Because last year, he was an elite hitter. Of course, Victor Robles is number one. It's the easiest number one on any list we've ever done. Of course, you should be the most worried about him regressing to the mean because he's got the farthest to drop too. And he's never done it before.

Like this is a no-brainer. And of course it's so thank you for that, Colley. Appreciate it. Now it's my time to shine. The wheel has determined that I am going to give you my top five favorite baseball video games of all time. I'll say before tie starts is that this is as easy of a number one as the regression candidates, don't screw it up. Yeah, yeah.

I think we're on the same page there. We'll see. We'll see. Yeah, as those Final Fantasy 7 figures might indicate. I like video games. Video games are pretty cool. Yeah. Pretty big fan of them.

This is definitely a topic that needed to go to tie. So I'm glad the wheel landed on it for him. Yeah, no, I think the wheel was perfect for both of us. this this week so let's get some honorable mentions out of the way I couldn't really decide

on like the ongoing series like which one to pick out of the ongoing series so like MLB the show out of the park those series don't show up in the list but those are honorable mentions

all the park is sensational especially for people like Colby and I they love roster building and all that stuff it's great MLB the show So I'm not a huge fan, honestly, of the series. It comes and goes, but I have issues with it.

It's far and away the best game right now. Because it really is like the only. Right. But I mean, yeah. For that not to be number five, or at least number five. I already hate your list, but. But shout out to MLB, MLB the show, 09. Which one was the one with Donaldson on the cover?

Was that 15, 16? Yeah. I think so. Yeah, that one was really good. The newest one is fine, but I don't know. Like,

not a huge fan of the way the game looks. And there's some other issues that I have, particularly with franchise mode and like, which players go to which teams and free agency and stuff like that. It's not very realistic. Like, Shohei Otani goes to the Brewers, really?

Like, really. I did one the other day where Juan Soto signed with the pirates. Okay, well, it's time to start try again. Yeah, let's just reset that. So these are all classic games that are on this list.

So number five, this one is more personal to me. I don't know how many people feel about this game. Triple play baseball, 2001, the one with Jason Giawby on the cover. Yeah. Used to play that on my PC. Yeah, same. So I used to play the PC version all the time with my dad. and we would always play the home run derby

specifically in the living room stage. The living room stage was incredible. Where you break the glass and whatnot. Yeah, you break the glass, the pictures. There was like the clock and the wall is made out of cards and all that. And I think like the mound is a CD or something. Yep. Yeah, it's been a long time since I've seen it.

But yeah, I used to play the absolute hell out of that game. and especially the home run derby mode in that particular stage. So yeah, so it had to make my list. I put hours upon hours upon hours into that game. Number four, MLB Slugfest 2004 specifically. That game rules. The game with Prince Fielder on the cover? This one had pool holes.

I hate Slugfest, so wrong. MLB Slugfast, you hit a ball and flame shoot out of the back. Get out of here. That sounds amazing. You're just selling. You're just selling the product even more. No, you're just selling the product even more.

You're selling stupid mortal combat and NFL blitz and you're just turning it into a baseball game. That game sucks. That sounds incredible. That's an incredible selling point. People actually like baseball. It's not. Nope. F next on your list.

Number three. Back here at baseball, oh one. No, number three. Yeah, specifically. Maybe that's coming at number two,

but okay. Because you get the major leaguers in there. You got a, Rod, you got Griffey, you got Barry Bonds, Randy, Sammy Sosa, I believe is in it. There's all of them. All of them are, you know, battling for second best player in that game. Right. Because the goat.

Pablo. Yeah, the goat. The goat. Right. Yeah. I mean, need I say more, I put so many hours into that game. They're going to re-release this version on Steam soon as well. I am going to put even more hours into that.

So, yeah, of course. Number two, Mario Superstar. our baseball. Ooh, I like it. Oh, you like, you like this one. I do because it's not anything. It's not trying to be something that it's not like this is Mario playing baseball. It's not Albert Pujols playing baseball and punching a dude in the face as the rounds for his face. This is Mario playing incredible. When you describe it, it sounds amazing. That doesn't. That sounds so stupid. I want to punch someone in the face as Albert Poolewls. Don't you at home listening right now, watching right now?

No. Sounds incredible. It sounds stupid. Don't you want to punch Derek Jeter in the face? I do. Sounds great. Sounds great. Sounds amazing.

Just seem like a violent for violence sake type of person, but Mario Superstar Baseball kind of gives you a blend of the best of like all the arcade baseball games. It gives you some of the Slugfest stuff. It gives you some of the

King Griffey Jr. baseball stuff. It's just it's so it's so much fun. That's also an honorable mention. I can't believe Wii baseball didn't make your list. We baseball did not make the list. No. Sorry.

Yeah. But yeah, Mario's superstar baseball. Fantastic game. And I'm also putting it on this list for the sake of giving me an opportunity to get on my soapbox here on this show and tell Nintendo to get your heads out of where the sun don't shine.

and actually make a new one, please, because you've made a new Mario golf, you've made a new Mario strikers, you made a new Mario tennis, give us Mario baseball, please, and thank you. If you like money, which I know you do, give us Mario baseball. Thank you.

So 20 years as a Mariner fan tells me that they like money. Number one, do I even have to say it? It's the undisputed goat, right? MVP baseball 2005. Oh, that is a good one too. That is a good one. never got to play it unfortunately but uh yeah i'd like an NCAA baseball game but yeah it's a vp

baseball oh four or oh five i mean they're both really good but yeah but the very last one with manny on the cover of course it's a classic i mean i was even watching gameplay of it today in preparation for the list like the animations in those games and specifically 05 for a PS2 game are better than some of the animations you see in MLB, the show 24. Like, at times it looks like a more realistic baseball game than what we have right now on modern day hardware, which is honestly kind of sad. If you eliminate the graphics, sure. The graphics are, yeah, obviously, you know, old.

2004, 2005 computer graphics, yeah. 2005 graphics. Yeah, but like the actual animations themselves, though, like just watching like the follow-through on swings, stuff like that. Like it looks, frankly, better than some of the animations in MLB the show right now. Anyway, I have a lot of issues with MLB the show. But that's neither here nor there. I think this was the last.

I might be mistaken on this, but this might be the last baseball sim, not like an arcade game, that you can have your manager get ejected in. I don't know if they ever had that in MLB the show. I know they had like charging the mound in a couple of the MLB the shows. but I don't know if they ever had manager objections. I feel like they tried to bring that back a few years ago in like the show or whatever. And then they just kind of scrapped the idea. Did they?

Yeah. By the way, one of the more annoying things on the MLB, the show is how often you get to challenge a play. Like you don't get to challenge a play whenever you want. It has to prompt you. It has to prompt you. Yeah.

And it's like and you can only challenge plays at first base. And I feel like it only prompts you to. when it knows that it'll overturn it. Because I feel like every time I challenge it, it overturns it. Yeah, for the most part. There's been a couple times where like you watch the replay and you're like, no, that's clearly the right call. But yeah, for the most part, that.

And you can only ever challenge plays at first base. Yeah. So that is going to do it for a show. Let us show your top five baseball video games of all time. Before we get out of here, a reminder that lockdown has launched the first. national sports 24-7 streaming channel on YouTube and now it's also available on amazon fire tv and the free fire tv channels app locked on sports today is here for you 24-7

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