Locked On Mariners - Daily Podcast On the Seattle Mariners - Uncharacteristic Play Leads to Sloppy Loss For Mariners
Episode Date: September 8, 2022Defensive miscues, missed opportunities on offense and more led to the Mariners' demise in their 9-6 loss to the White Sox on Wednesday. Ty and Colby discuss what went wrong and later get into what an... extension for Luis Castillo could look like.Be sure to follow or subscribe to Locked On Mariners wherever you prefer your podcasts! For questions and other inquiries, email: lockedonmariners@gmail.comStay up to date with all things Mariners at Inside the Mariners - a FanNation website covering the Seattle Mariners on the Sports Illustrated network.Follow the show on Twitter: @LO_Mariners | @danegnzlz | @CPat11 | @InsideMarinersFor more of Ty and Colby, check out their Patreon: patreon.com/controlthezone/Built BarBuilt Bar is a protein bar that tastes like a candy bar. Go to builtbar.com and use promo code “LOCKEDON15,” and you’ll get 15% off your next order. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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The Mariners seemingly had today's game against the White Sox in the bag.
And then, well, let's just talk about it here on the Lockdown Mariner's postgame show.
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fall to the White Sox by a score of 9 to 6
this afternoon. And on the show today,
we'll dive into the defensive miscues
and missed opportunities on offense that
led to the loss. How Luis Casas
Castillo went from a historic day on the mound to not being able to even finish the sixth.
And while it wasn't a successful day for Castillo as a whole, we're going to talk about his future in Seattle and what an extension could look like for the Mariners ace.
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So let's hop into today's game.
Unfortunately,
the Mariners fall 9 to 6 to the White Sox.
And this was a very uncharacteristic game for the Mariners for the most part.
Obviously, you know,
the offense did score six runs,
but there were plenty of runs left on the table.
They were bad with runners in scoring position today.
But that wasn't particularly the reason that they lost today.
It definitely contributed to.
to the loss, but not exactly the reason for the loss today.
A lot of unearned runs scored by the White Sox, thanks to a rare bad defensive day from the Mariners.
The Mariners, you know, they're very good at doing the little things.
They are one of the most efficient defenses in all of baseball or, you know, if not the most efficient defense in all the baseball.
But it was just a bad day.
Bad day for Kirk Casale.
Bad day for A. E. E.
You know, defensively speaking, of course, good day for Gino at the plate.
but this was, yeah, it was just not at all the Mariners team that we've really seen.
The bullpen wasn't particularly great either.
So is this just a bump of the road, Colby, considering the way that they lost?
Or is this a, you know, maybe a concerning sign for the future?
It's certainly more of a bump in the road than anything else because these were uncharacteristic mistakes.
You know, and we've seen a few of those on the bases the last few weeks.
You know, we've seen some really bad at-bats that, you know, a lot of guys expand in the zone who usually don't.
So we've seen some of that.
But today it all kind of came to a head.
Again, there were terrible at-bats with runners in scoring position.
You know, the Mariners gave up six unearned runs in this game, which is, it's got to be the most they've given up this year.
That's a massive number.
And if you're a team like Seattle who is, you know, prided yourself on pitching and defense,
you have to perform with we have to win with those tools and if you don't you're going to get ugly
games like this and and you know you give credit to soraes at the plate at two home runs
three rbi i you know you really try to uh to kind of lift this offense hollio got on base three
times including a double uh score to run uh like you know there were there were some contributors
in this offense today but not nearly enough too many times they came up with the bases loaded or
runners on first and second no out runners on second and third
one out and they just could not get that guy.
They couldn't get that big hit that they needed.
They had a chance to put this game completely out of reach early on,
and they just could not do it.
And that's unfortunately, you know, kind of becoming a trend.
And because the Mariners don't do that consistently,
they have to play really good defense and pitch very well.
And today they really didn't do either of those things.
So yeah, you know, you just chalk it up.
It's a bad loss.
Thank goodness they found a way to win last night, kind of avoid disaster.
and that's really all the Mariners have to do going forward here over the next week or so.
Just avoid that sweep.
Just don't fall into a long losing streak.
The Mariners are still really good shape.
And today is just one of those days that, you know, you hope you forget.
And now they get a day off at home tomorrow.
And I think they get another one on Monday as well.
So good chance to reset.
Bullpen should be back in pretty good shape after tomorrow.
I just, I wouldn't read too much into today.
It's just an ugly baseball game to watch.
and we haven't had a lot of those recently.
So at least defensively, we haven't had a lot of those recently.
So yeah, just, you know, reset, take tomorrow off, relax,
and get ready for a really good series
against a very good baseball team in Atlanta this weekend.
Such a buzzkill today, though.
They get out to a 4-0-0-0-0-0-0-0 lead.
And after, you know, Gino's first home run,
which was so loud.
That was Nelly-esque from, from E.
Oh, Swer, is just exactly like Nell.
and Cruz. The sound of that bat, I mean, it was, it was stunning. It was, that was really cool.
Even Julio's double right before that as well was loud as hell. Like, they were, they were,
they were ripping the ball off of Michael Copac today. And it just seemed like everything was going
for him in, you know, Luis Castillo is just cruising through the first three innings. They give
them run support. It's like, all right, this is just, this is in the bag. They got this.
Series victory, all that, you know, just cruise your high step into the end zone at that point.
And it's just, yeah.
The Mariners are going to win that.
Yeah, the Mariners are going to win that game 99 times out of 100.
And today, just that one day.
And you see why.
Like, it just all kind of fell apart on them.
I think it kind of started, honestly, when Frazier was, wasn't really able to turn that double play.
And that allowed Eloy to come up to the plate and cut the deficit in half.
And from then on, it was basically all.
All white socks.
So, you know, not a very clean transfer from Frazier, not a lot on the throw.
And, you know, Abrae, give him credit.
He was hustling down the line.
And, you know, he beat it by step and the next pitch.
Boom.
And we're off to the races.
And obviously, you know, there's, you know, there's the Gino-Swarres air that kind of
kickstarted the sixth.
And if he makes that play, I think the Mariners probably win this game because, like you said,
you know, Castillo was cruising.
at that point.
And so kind of unraveled on them there.
They couldn't stop the bleeding.
And that's been rare for this team.
So again, nothing to be too worried about.
But, you know, it's just, it's a good reminder that if the Mariners don't play good defense,
then they're going to lose a lot.
So they got to get this cleaned up.
And it's not just, you know, not making errors.
It's making all those little plays, too, like getting the clean transfer and making a good throw
to first base to,
get a slow runner.
Those are the little things that you have to,
you have to hit your cutoff, man.
You know,
you have to go to third base on a ground ball to second base.
You know,
you have to do all those little things,
right,
because the mayor is just,
they don't have the thump really to,
uh,
to just continue to crack home runs day after day.
Yeah.
Because it's just so out of character for them.
I'm,
I'm not putting too much stock into this loss,
uh,
for the Mariners.
It's just,
you know,
it's a bad day.
It's a afternoon game.
It's been a weird schedule since they started this
homestan.
It's going to,
you know, balance itself out a little bit here over the weekend, get more back on a regular
schedule over the next few days to get an, you know, an off day tomorrow and another off day
on Monday before they play the Padres. So a lot of rest to come for them. And then, you know,
at that point, it's go time. They only get one more rest stay or off day for the rest of the
regular season. So it's just go, go, go. But yeah, wouldn't worry too much about this. Really
wouldn't worry too much about this because it's just
you know these are not
the reasons that the Mariners are
typically losing games this year. This isn't
something that you really
you just you kind of just wash your hands of this and move on
because you know this isn't really
to me a sign of anything building
anything snowballing. It's just a rare
occurrence, rare hiccup
and you get back on the horse on the weekend.
See how it goes against you know a very good
Braves team that you could run
into a brick wall against that team. But
The Mariners have so much of a cushion right now that you should feel comfortable with where they are.
And even if they do have a little more of a hiccup over the weekend.
So, all right.
We'll talk about Luis Castillo and his day and how things kind of unraveled for him in just a moment.
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after the game.
And Colby,
I thought Louise Castillo was going to throw a no hitter at least today.
The way that this game started,
he strikes out the first seven batters he faces,
tying an American League record,
just two off of the Major League Baseball record.
And then from that point forward,
you know,
was pitching to contact more,
or at least, you know,
they were getting more contact off of him.
I don't believe his eighth strikeout of the day came
for another couple of innings after his seventh strikeout of the day.
And,
and it just,
I don't know,
it just wasn't the same as we had seen through the first three innings
in the fourth,
fifth,
and six.
And then, of course,
the defensive miscues and just everything kind of unraveled from there.
He gives up the two-run home run to Eloy Yemenez
after the,
the double play review,
all that,
as you mentioned earlier.
It's just,
I don't know.
It was,
it was weird how he went
from looking like the most dominant pitcher on the planet
to a guy that could be had a little bit
in just a matter of a couple of innings.
What did you see from Castillo today?
Yeah, tremendous stuff early,
but still catching a lot of the plate.
But for the most part, you know, good,
I would say good command in the first two or three innings.
And then after that, it was just kind of, you know,
everything's middle to play or it's, you know,
a non-competitive pitch.
It's not on the corner.
it's well off the corner.
So it feels like this was more of a command issue.
He only walked one batter.
But it just felt like most everything was middle of the plate after the third inning.
Something knocked him off his rhythm.
I don't know what it was exactly.
Overall, the final line is actually okay.
It's five and two-thirds and five hits and one walk with eight strikeouts.
Like, that's pretty good against a decent white socks lineup.
But, you know, it just it's one of those things that it felt.
felt like after the, you know, watching the fourth and the fifth a little bit, it felt like,
you know, it was going to take one mistake for this game to kind of turn on its head. And
unfortunately, you know, Gino, the first ball of the sixth, he butchers it more or less. And,
and it all just kind of snowballed from there. But yeah, Castillo, cruise control early,
lost, lost some feel, particularly on the command and control side of things. And, you know,
the White Sox were aggressive. They attacked.
early in the counts, didn't let him get deep into counts,
and they were able to put the ball in play.
You know, a bunch of single in there,
of C&I single to score another run.
And then, you know, a double, back-to-back doubles.
And that was pretty much it for him.
You actually, you know, he didn't give up a ton of hard contact in this game,
more than you would like to see.
But, you know, just seven hard hit balls in five and two-thirds.
It's not terrible.
It's just one of those games, you know, it started great.
and then you can kind of see that he's not quite as effective in the fourth and the fifth and he's just
something wasn't quite right catching a lot of the plate and then all of a sudden in the six
you know gino makes his mistake and and uh you know the white socks capitalize and and
castillo just couldn't quite find a way to get out of it like he has in the past um overall
he's fine like he's fine uh he'll be fine it's just one of those again it's one of those
starts where a couple little things don't go his way and he couldn't find a way to work around the
things that didn't go his way.
And it led to the result we saw.
So it's unfortunate, but it's baseball.
Elvis Andrews once again,
tormenting the Mariners with that punt single in the top of the six that kept the ball
rolling there and gave the white socks a lot of momentum there,
getting the first two runners on base.
He finishes the year now 11 for 40 against the Mariners with five home runs,
a double seven runs batted in eight strikeouts four walks but thankfully the mariners are done with
alvis andrews for the rest of the year unless the white socks win the division and then they
run into the mariners and then uh yeah that would be unideal um i got some other numbers here uh so
a lot of talk about kirk sally because today was uh not very good for uh for old kirk
because sally he's played seven games now in a mariner's uniform since being activated he is two
for 21 with eight strikeouts two blocks two runs batted in and a double and he was not very good
at the plate today and not very good behind it either he's now caught louise castillo his former
teammate in Cincinnati three times and then castillo has been caught by other catchers four
times since coming over to Seattle.
And the three starts with Cassali, 16 and two-thirds innings pitch, 17 hits allowed,
eight earn runs allowed, 23-strikouts, three walks.
And then without Cassali and four starts, 26 and two-thirds innings pitch,
19 hits, five earn runs, 28 strikeouts, seven walks.
So against better quality opponents, too.
Against better quality.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, the three starts with Cassali against the A's, against the Guardians.
and then today against the White Sox
And then without Cassali
Yankees, Yankees, guardians, angels
So
Yeah
So who wants to apologize to Luis Turence first?
I,
you know,
I mean
Well,
So that's the thing is like,
is it time?
Is it time to maybe consider
bringing Luis back?
I don't know
because I just,
I don't know like
are the Mariners going to use them?
Because part of the thing with
Casale and also Jake Lam is that the Mariners just don't use those guys.
So it's really hard to, you know, get in a rhythm when you're not getting consistent at bat.
So like could Casale be better if you caught twice a week instead once a week or three times a week?
Maybe, but you don't want to take, you know, Cal Raleigh out of the lineup.
So you're kind of, you know, stuck.
So unless you're willing to send somebody down and bring up a third catcher, I don't see the Mariners doing that.
And I don't see, you know, the MDHing, either Casale or, or,
Raleigh on a regular basis. So I think he just kind of roll with it. I hope he figures out along
the way he's a veteran. He's been there. He's done that. But yeah, he's been, he's been bad,
you know, in very limited opportunities. And, you know, it's frustrating when you know, they're like,
oh, well, no, look, we made these marginal upgrades. And we got this, you know, this platoon guy and Jake Lamb,
and we got this really good backup who's going to help us and be a huge upgrade over Luis Turin's.
And they haven't used Lamb. And Casale hasn't been enough.
upgrade over Luis Turen.
So, yeah, it's frustrating to watch right now because Casale is not been as advertised.
And, you know, we also need to recognize that he did miss a good chunk of the season with an
injury.
So there's still timing issues on that end as well.
So, you know, it's kind of like a lot of things are kind of, you know, conspiring against
Kirk Casale right now, but he has not been good for the Mariners.
And he has not been the upgrade over Luis Turen's that we were all promised.
Yeah.
So we'll see if you know, that's a good point about him coming off of the injury and you know, he's not playing much. So like you said, it's hard to get in a rhythm. So, you know, this doesn't entirely fall on Cassali, but, you know, at the end of day, you need some production out of that spot. Specifically, you know, on the defensive end, you know, offensively speaking, whatever. He's a backup catcher. Backup catchers really don't hit. Obviously, he's kind of been an exception in the past. But for the most part, you know, when you have a
backup catcher in the lineup, you're not really expecting them to do any, any sort of damage.
You just need them to be able to keep things afloat defensively.
Kirk Casley didn't do that, particularly in the ninth inning of this game.
So I don't know.
I think if that continues to be an issue down the road, you kind of have to think about it with,
with Terence, but also, you know, Terence isn't great defensively either.
So it's, yeah, you're just kind of in a weird spot there right now.
Boy, does this team miss Murphy?
It really does.
Imagine if Tom Murphy wasn't hurt.
If you had Cal Raleigh and Tom Murphy
catching for you,
wow, that would be nice.
All right, so let's circle back to
Luis Castillo.
Obviously not a great day today, but
I think we're all in agreement here that Luis Castillo
should be a Seattle Mariner beyond 2023.
And Jeff Passon of ESPN
felt pretty confident that
that is going to be the case when he was on 710 Seattle Sports about a week ago.
We weren't able to get to this.
I don't know if it was because of not doing a show or something,
but we weren't able to get to Passons comments.
He also talked about Mitch Hanager and his willingness to accept a qualifying offer
or sign an extension in Seattle.
We might talk about that if we have time later today or maybe on another show.
But let's talk about Castillo here.
Passon basically said what we had said when the last time we talked about an extension for Castillo
on the show that it's probably going to be somewhere around the Robbie Ray ballpark what
Robbie Ray signed for in Seattle.
Maybe not the exact same structure with the option or what have you.
But we know that the Mariners are probably going to get creative with it.
Jerry Depoto is going to get creative with it.
There probably will be some sort of option in there.
But the deal at face value for Robbie Ray was, of course,
five years $115 million.
Passan also mentioned the Joe Musgrove extension with the Padres, which was five years $100 million.
That doesn't sound like a lot of money for Luis Castillo.
Someone who is going to slot in at the top of your rotation, to me, Luis Castillo is a $26, $27 million guy,
but this is more like $22, $23, $24 million a year.
So, I mean, if that's actually what it's going to take to sign Luis Castillo, I'm signing that.
yesterday.
But what do you think at the end of the day
Castillo extension is going to look like?
Yeah, you know, there's been no shortage
of comps for Castillo
over the last few years. There's plenty
of guys who are in Castillo's range
that have signed deals. You look at Zach Wheeler.
You look at Barrios,
Gossmann, Ray,
and all these guys have gotten roughly
the same deal, but somewhere between, it's somewhere
five years, five to seven years
at between 20 to
$24 million AAB.
That's just the going rate for guys like Louise Castillo, and there's upside in Cassio still.
That hasn't yet been reached.
So when, you know, when Passon says Robbie B. Ray, that's 23 million A.A.V.
Which is right in range.
Now, I think, you know, you do have to adjust for inflation.
And obviously, you know, every year the contracts get a little bit bigger.
So if you want to adjust for inflation at, you know, the rate of inflation, let's say 10%,
then I think you're looking at five years.
you know, $125 million, so that's about 10% more than Robbie Reagan got. So it's, it's really not
that big of a contract extension for what you get. You know, getting a number two, number three
starter for $23 million a year. It's actually still a tremendous bargain. It's one of the bigger
bargains you can get in baseball right now. The difference between like a number two and an ace on
the open market is quite literally $15 million a year. So, yeah, I do think you're probably looking
that's something, you know, obviously Castillo has to want to sign here, but I don't think
that's going to be an issue. He has to, you know, want to commit long term. Again, I don't
think that's going to be an issue for him. So I think ultimately when you look at it, I think
the Mariners get a little creative here like they did with Robbie Ray. I think, like, if everything
maxes out, I think they would be willing to go five and 125, 130, but there's probably an opt-out
after your three or some kind of vesting option that turns into a player option at some point.
point down the line. But the mayors can get really creative here. They have the money. They can
sign Castillo to this extension tomorrow and still have a lower payroll heading into the
offseason they have right now. So it's just one of those things. It shouldn't be too hard to get done
if there's interest on both sides. You know, John Stanton was on the new restarted Brock and Saul podcast
last night. They asked about Louise Castillo long term. I mean, it was it was the, you know,
the wet fart sound effect of an answer.
It was just nothing,
nothing of substance there.
But it wasn't as encouraging as you might like.
Not even like,
boy, we sure hope so.
No, just like, oh, well, you know, we'll see.
We'll see how it works, you know.
And it's just not what you want to hear from the owner,
especially when there's, you know, like cheapness accusations flying around.
But I think something gets done.
I would be pretty surprised if it doesn't get done this winter.
I think ultimately it's going to be 5.1.20.
somewhere in that range.
And again, because it's not really my money
and I really like the player, I'm fine.
If they want to go 5-130, 1-40,
150 somewhere in that range, I really don't care
that much. Yeah.
I think there's a chance at maxes out of that,
but there would be a lot of incentives involved
and stuff like that. And I do think Castillo
is going to get an option, or an opt-out
opportunity somewhere in that contract.
It's just kind of the way the marriage have been doing business
lately, particularly with the pitchers.
You look at, you say Kikuchi, you look at Chris Flex,
and you look at Robbie Ray, opt-out.
I'll have opt-outs.
So we'll see how it goes, but I'm pretty confident Cassio is going to be here beyond 2023.
Yeah, same.
I think it's a pretty high likelihood at this point.
And, you know, the Mariners have been working closely with Castillo.
It seems like he's very receptive to, you know, how they handle business on the pitching side of things.
It seems like he's fit in perfectly with that clubhouse.
So, you know, and we know how much the Mariners value fit off the field.
and it seems like there's been no issues with that.
And so that plays a big role in who they keep around.
Right.
Who they want to be able to be the, who they want to have,
be the face of the franchise, you know,
faces of the franchise rather.
Yeah, that's something Stanton mentioned yesterday.
Like his big concern,
so he says when looking at whether or not he wants to commit to a player,
he says his number one concern is his character
and people who represent the team well.
and it's he kept Kevin Mather for a while, so whatever.
You took a while to fire Kevin Maller.
Technically, you didn't fire him.
And when asked, would you have fired him?
If he didn't quit, you said, I didn't have to make that decision.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So, call me skeptical there, Mr. Owner, man.
So we'll see.
But Castillo does seem to check that box as well.
So one thing that I think will help here is that if the Mariners get a home
playoff game, the excitement level of the fan base and, you know, blah, blah, blah on the playoffs.
That's no longer hypothetical. It's no longer theoretical. It's, it's there and you've experienced
it. I think you're going to have an easier time getting Castillo to sign on and that too, because
it does matter. You know, players want to play in front of fans. They want to play in front of people
who care. And they want to get paid. And the Mariners right now can offer all three of those things to
lose Castillo. And nobody even has a shot to pitch that to him for another year. And
another 14 months basically.
So figure it out, get it done.
And I think something will get done.
All right.
So that is going to do it for our show on tomorrow's show.
I think we're going to talk a little bit about some end of season awards,
the rookie of the year debate between Julio and Adley Regiment and all that good stuff.
And yes, I know we forgot to mention Adley Regiment on yesterday's show.
Who?
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah.
And then manager of the year as well.
I want to talk about why Scott's service deserves to win that.
Oh, is Adley that guy who's not as good as Cal Raleigh?
Is it that guy?
Yeah.
Okay, cool.
Cool.
Yeah, no.
The fake Cal Raleigh, right, the one in Baltimore.
The poor man's Cal Raleigh.
Gotcha.
Gotcha.
My bad.
My bad.
Are you sure that's, are you sure?
Come at me in the comments, bro.
I don't care.
Are you sure that's a bit that you want to commit to?
Adly restaurants are good.
Adly is pretty good.
though.
But he's not as good as Cal Raleigh, though.
So Cala Raleigh, number one catcher in baseball.
That's right.
I said it.
Leave your hateful comments down in the comment section because it's good for the YouTube algorithm.
Aha.
We tricked you.
The more you complain, the more successful we become.
See, the only reason we say dumb stuff is so we get you guys to leave comments and improve the YouTube algorithm.
And that's totally the only reason that we say dumb stuff.
I don't know you're talking about.
I've never said.
I've never said dumb things on the show.
All right.
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