Locked On Mariners - Daily Podcast On the Seattle Mariners - Under-the-Radar Trade Partners, Corner Outfielders/Infielders and Bryan Reynolds Trade Cost For Mariners

Episode Date: December 6, 2022

On today's show, Colby and Ty discuss some under-the-radar trade candidates including the White Sox, Red Sox, Oakland A's, and Cardinals. Jerry Dipoto announced the team is looking for a right-handed hitting corner outfielder and possibly another corner infielder? The guys break down some potential fits. Finally, Ryan Divish gave his idea on what the Mariners could offer the Pirates for Bryan Reynolds. Is it enough? All of this and more on today's episode of Locked On Mariners! Be sure to follow or subscribe to Locked On Mariners wherever you prefer your podcasts! For questions and other inquiries, email: [e-mail] the show on Twitter: @LO_Mariners | @danegnzlz | @CPat11For more of Ty and Colby, check out their Patreon: patreon.com/controlthezone/BetOnlineBetOnline.net has you covered this season with more props, odds and lines than ever before. BetOnline – Where The Game Starts! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Everything is pretty much quiet on the Mariners front at the winter meetings, though. We have a general idea of where Jerry Depoto and crew might strike next. We'll discuss their state of focus and look at a few potential trade partners for Seattle here on the Lockdown Mariners podcast. Colby, hit it. You are Locked on Mariners. Your daily Seattle Mariners podcast. Part of the Locked on podcast network, your team every day. It is Tuesday, December 6, 2022.

This is Tyning Azales and Colby Patnaud for the Lockedown. Don Mariners podcast. Thank you so much for making us your first listen, subscribe, like and turn on alerts if you're watching on YouTube or subscribe and leave a five-star review on your preferred podcast platform. If you like what you hear, and if you want to hear from us even more, please consider signing up for our Patreon. The link as well as our social accounts is in the description below. On the show today, we'll look at a few under the radar trade partners for the Mariners as well as some corner infield and corner outfield candidates. since that's what Jerry Depoto has said is the team's focus right now.

Ryan DeVis of the Seattle Times has also offered his two cents on what Brian Reynolds might cost and what the Mariners would be willing to part with any potential deal for Reynolds. So we'll talk about that a little later on. We also had another report from a Pirates writer

with regards to the Mariners and Brian Reynolds that will maybe also talk about a little bit. Pretty much just goes in line with what DeVish said today on Seventon. Seattle sports. So we'll get us all of that. But before we kick things off here with our under the radar trade partners for the Mariners, thank you guys so much for really coming through. Yesterday, we put out a challenge to you guys. We have one last goal that we're trying to meet before

our multi-tiered baseball card giveaway ends on Thursday. That is 3,000 followers on Twitter. And once we get there, Colby will be given away his Jared Kellnick signed card. and we were 117 followers away as of yesterday when we put out yesterday's episode and asked you guys to start following. And now I think we're about 10 away, something like that. So we're really close. Thank you guys so much. And yes, this smug SOB is going to be given away his Kelnick card, his Raleigh card, his Raleigh card, his Trimelk card, and his dollared card to you guys. And we're going to be announcing those winners on Thursday.

I do it for you guys. You're welcome. And I do nothing, of course. No, actually, I do. Because Ty hate you. I do have plans. I do have plans for some giveaways. I got some stuff.

I got some stuff that's going to be coming your guys' way. Probably in a couple months. Like, don't want to do it right after we just did this giveaway, right? No, no. We don't want to spoil you guys. We don't want to spoil you guys too much, you know, right? I mean, it is a holiday, so it is a holiday. Maybe there's a little Christmas thing we could do.

Who knows? Who knows? Let us know in the comments below if you want us to do that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That I will do. I will provide this time. You've done enough, Colby, you saint. First time for everything.

Pat yourself on the back. Just not too hard. Don't want to tear you UCL. Don't want Tommy John. Let's get into these under the radar trade partners for the mirrors. This is something that we wanted to do. You DM me last night about doing this. So I'll start with you here.

You know, we know about the rays and the Padres, and we know that the Mariners are probably interested in Brian Reynolds. So the Pirates, the Raes, the Padres, etc. Like, we know, like, those teams, like the Mariners are either directly interested in a player that one of those teams have, or they have consistently traded with one of those teams. So none of those teams. Those teams are off the board here. Who's someone that the Mariners typically don't trade with that you think actually lines up pretty well with them in a deal this winter?

The Tampa Bay Rays. I just said the raise are off the board, Colby. I don't listen to you. I just wait for you to stop talking so then I can talk. Or you'll just meet me. Would you have power to do? Not when we're going to record. Unfortunately.

Because you don't want to record again. You don't want to derail the show. No. There's a certain bit of trust that comes out of laziness, really. So yeah, you know, one of the, there was a. couple of interesting names that kind of got floated like that, you know, we never really talked about for the Mariners and it just kind of got us thinking about, you know, there's a lot of teams that we just kind of ignored. And, you know, the two names you got mentioned last night that

are actually kind of interesting. There's Bobby Dalback, who's apparently very much available in trade talks with the Red Sox, team we have not covered much. And then Liam Hendricks is apparently getting asked about. Obviously, the All-Star Closer for the White Sox. And so those are two teams that we hadn't really talked about. Both are interesting names for the Marys to consider. Both come with pretty considerable warts that make them not ideal fits. But yeah, you know, we haven't really talked about the White Sox. We haven't talked about the Red Sox. Haven't really talked about the Yankees. There are a few teams. Oakland, interestingly enough, we really haven't spent a lot of time talking about Oakland.

So yeah, there are quite a few teams that we've kind of more or less ignored either because of positional need or trade fit or things like that. But we know more than we did, you know, two weeks ago. So there are probably some more teams we should be talking about. So the White Sox are really interesting. Hendricks is still making quite a bit of money. And that's really the interesting part is if the Mariners, for instance, were willing to take on Hendricks's remaining contract. What else could they get along with him? Could they also take on the money of Lance Lynn,

who's pretty good when he's healthy, pretty dang good, would round off that rotation very nicely. Lucas G. Alito, who's coming off of a really bad year, but is, you know, he's had like Cy Young caliber stuff at times and is basically an all-star level pitcher for the most part, aside from last year. He's got one year left, so maybe take a swing on him. Is there anyone else from the White Sox?

I mean, Kendall Graveman, potentially a reunion when Kendall Graveman would be interesting. Anyone else that stands out to you from Chicago? Tim Anderson. Dude, I mean, I'd go nuts for TV. Yeah, absolutely. No, you know, I think when you're looking at the White Sox, you're really looking at pitching. That's kind of what Seattle needs. I don't know if they, again, I don't know if they match up great.

and I don't think you're going to get Liam Hendricks as just like a salary dump, right? Like they're not just going to be like, oh, well, we just want the contract off our books. The interesting thing about Hendricks is that the last year of his deal becomes fully guaranteed if he's traded. It's a pretty similar clause to what the Maris had to deal with with Kyle Seeger.

So, you know, is Hendricks worth $29 million over the next two years? I would say that most relievers aren't even the really, really good ones like Hendricks. So you're going to have to, give up something of value and take on that salary. So it's tough to say there. Aaron Bummer, great name, especially for a relief pitcher.

He's kind of interesting. Rinaldo Lopez is a guy that I've liked for a while. He's interesting. Yeah. So there are quite a few guys that make some sense for the Mariners. And like you mentioned, Lance Lynn, Gialito, those two guys. Gialito is definitely a bigger risk, I would say, but the upside is still significant.

So, yeah, I think that's kind of what you're looking at there. I really don't think you're going to get position players out of the White Sox because they're all, for the most part, they're all pretty bad athletes, right? Like, you're not interested in Yasmani Grant-Dall, Andrew Vaughn doesn't really make any sense for this roster. You know, Yon Moncata maybe would be interesting. he has his own issues but you know he's

probably a really good third base or he is a good third baseman maybe could play second base if he need him to you know he's kind of a not really a utility guy but it's kind of how you'd have to roll with him so I think for the white socks someone that can play third base and maybe

first base Montcotta is a little little bit interesting he's got what one year left on his deal I think it's two but yeah either way it's been a it's been a rough couple years from Uncata. He never really quite hit the heights that most people thought he could as a prospect. Still a good player. But yeah, I just, I really think you're probably looking at Gialito, Bummer, Lopez, Graveman. I think you're looking at pitching if you're going to make a deal with

the White Sox. Right. A couple other teams, you mentioned one of them, the A's. Maybe someone like Tony Kemp would make sense. Maybe not as much now because they still, because I mean, they have Wong. They have more. They have Haggerty. So they're pretty short up for the most part on that front. Seth Brown maybe, even though they're looking for a right-handed hitting outfielder, Brown is a lefty. He doesn't get on base much, but he hits for power. And he's a pretty decent defender as well. So maybe that's an option. AJ Puck, he's going to be a little expensive.

And probably not a clubhouse fit either with Puck. probably not. He's rubbed some people the wrong way. Ramon Lariano. This is kind of right-handed outfielder. It can play all three spots. You know, obviously the PED suspension is something that you have to worry about and he wasn't very good last year.

We don't want cheaters on the team, Colby. Yeah. Tell me that when you haven't been advocating for Carlos Correa to be signed by the Mariners all winter. Because, you know, what what Correa did actually helped him more than what Luriano did. So I don't know. But I don't, Luriano, I think that's like a backup plan. If you miss out on Pollock and Myers, I would just rather go sign those guys and trade for Luriano. But there's a fit there. Yeah, but Oakland, you know, they've already started their rebuild. I do wonder maybe they'd be

open to trading someone like James Caprillion. It's kind of an interesting young arm, not super young, but like could you do like caprillion for tremel and and dollar? I don't know, maybe. I don't even know that's a good trade for the Mariners, but you get the idea. So yeah, just a couple of leftover bullpen arms. Like it, not Sean Murphy. Let's just be clear about that. You're not getting Sean Murphy.

There's no reason to. You don't need to. You don't know Sean Murphy at home. Why would you? And he's better. And younger and cheaper. And younger. cheaper yeah so well i think he's younger i think so anyways yeah um yeah cardels are another team

that i think lines up fairly well with the mariners um chris stratton obligatory chris tratton i have to do it have to love chris tratton yeah you have to spin rates elite spin rates just get this guy please please just get this guy in your bullpen i've been advocating for gristratton for the last three years. And he did get traded at the deadline, just not to the mirrors. Very sad about that. Tyler O'Neill. That's the other guy that I'm looking at here. I know Mike Salk mentioned him. You told me that. What was it yesterday on 710? I like the O'Neill idea. We talked about him, or well, I talked about him at least on our Patreon show a few weeks ago. Really good defender. 2021 is a bit of an outlier for him though in terms of offensive production he was like a five-win player in 2021 kind of fell off this year I think he got hurt not sure if I'm correct on that or not but he his offensive numbers did take a little bit of a hit but he can hit for power and play really good defense in a corner spot and he's he's righty right so and we're going to be talking more about right-handed corner outfielders because that's apparently what the merit

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is corner outfield as we knew, but more specifically right-handed hitting corner outfielders. So that's specific and a little weird because this team is very right-handed at the moment. They're also looking at someone that can play the corner infield spots. And there's a possibility they can get someone that can play the corner outfield spots and the corner infield spots and that's just one player. Brian Anderson is a guy that can potentially do that.

and he's been linked to the Mariners over the last couple days. Former Marlon, who was non-tendered recently. They apparently had interest in him, I think a year ago was a report, but he was just too expensive for them, for their tastes at the time to land via trade. A little option. He's a guy that's been oft injured, though, especially as of late. So, and he hasn't produced the way you would hope at the plate. But it's an interesting shot to take if that is the route that,

they go. Anyone else that stands out here from the right-handed side? I mean, I know you have a couple of guys of mine. Actually, let's start here. Mitch Hanager. A lot of people are talking about Mitch because, I mean, they basically describe Mitch, right? When they when they said this.

But as we know, Mitch has been apparently getting offers that are three plus years, according to Buster only, around $15 million. A-A-V. We've said on the show, that's just a little bit much for a guy that doesn't provide the reliability that you would like to have there. So, but if you're able to work something out with Mitch, is that the preferable option for you here? Or is it the other two guys that I think you're going to be mentioning here? Well, first of all, we should note that if you're a fan of Josh Bell, he is off the market. He has signed a two-year-old. year $33 million contract with the Cleveland Guardians, which is, wow, they spent money.

Yeah, that's a good fit, too. I like that move. See how I didn't care that they got him for 17 million a year. I just like the player in the fit. Wow, shocking. I know. Anyways, for me, Mitch Hanager is just no. Three years is just too much. I'm not entrusting Mitch Hanager to stay healthy for the length of a three-year contract. Not enough to recoup my money. Sounds like 15 million a So like you might get 3 and 50 or something like that. I'm out. Like I'm totally out. So, you know, when you talk about right-hand of hitting outfielders, it seems like the plan right now are what the Mariners are kind of rolling, planning on rolling with is a platoon of Kalnikin and this other hitter.

Now things can change. This doesn't mean that they're out on Yoshita. It doesn't mean that they're not trying to trade for Brian Reynolds. it just means that, you know, they're building with the roster they have right now, which is what you're supposed to do. So when you talk about other right-handed hitting outfielders, I really like Will Myers. You can run around. He's got some really good power.

He hits lefties very well. Handles himself against Ritees. He's going to be about league average against Ritees. You know, the bonus with Will Myers is that he actually plays a pretty good first base. And so you can kind of protect yourself from the inevitable Thai-France injury without having to go and carry a, an actual first base only type of guy on your roster. So I really like Will Myers for that role. AJ Pollock is a guy who continues to crush left-handed pitching

and just be a really good player overall. Pollock is just solid. He's good against Ritey's. He's great against lefties. Defense is definitely taking a few steps back. He's 35 years old. He's not an up-the-middle player anymore. But he's a guy that you could play in left field against lefties.

And if you deach him, you know, against Rides or whatever, you're going to be just fine. You're not, it's not a black hole. It's not a black hole if he's out there, assuming like Kelnick fails or somebody gets hurt, you'll be fine with AJ Pollock. So I like those two guys quite a bit. The interesting part is, you know, is Jerry mentioning specifically, it was Jerry or Justin? Either way, specifically mentioning that they wouldn't mind somebody who could play the corners as well. And that kind of is difficult.

There's not a lot of guys out there who can play both the corner infield and the corner infield and the corner. corner outfield. Brian Anderson is one of them. By God, is that Patrick Wisdom's music? Maybe. Maybe. Yeah, so, I mean, Anderson makes some sense of that. That's what they're looking for.

You know, again, Will Myers can't play first base. I really wouldn't want to see him try to play third. But, well, I mean, he almost fills that role. So I almost wonder if there is like, I almost wonder if there's like a guy who maybe hasn't played a ton of outfield, but has played a lot of infield, that they think they can get to be playable in left field. And maybe that's a guy like, you know, Brandon Drury, who I know you like.

So I just, it's interesting again, the right hand, or maybe it's somebody we talked about at the beginning of the show or mentioned at the beginning of the show, maybe Bobby Dahlbach, you know, the local kid from Seattle is somebody. who makes some sense against lefties and can play third base and first base and actually has even gotten a little bit of experience at second base

and shortstop. So maybe they're interested in that. But yeah, the right-handed hitting or the corner infield thing was especially interesting. So yeah. Brandon Jerry makes so much sense for this role.

He makes so much, so much sense because they can also DH him. He's probably not, a second baseman, but he can play third. And I'm sure he can play first. I think he's played a little bit of first. There, I think real fast on Drury. I think there are times like against a left-handed pitcher, good left-handed pitcher,

you could get away with Drury as second base and Dillin Moore at shortstop. Yeah. And be fine. Like, it's not, he's not great at second base, but you can play him there without killing yourself for, you know, a couple of games. It's not a huge deal. But so and I know and I know the whole thing about like oh well you know he played a great American ballpark and it does you know such great things for it is and all that. Yeah that I get that I totally get that and he did fall off a little bit once he went to San Diego. However, there are legitimate changes that he made to his swing profile that suggests that he is a different player that he's not the fringe major leaguer that he was before last season. I think he is a legitimate major leaguer at this point. And maybe he's better suited for more of a bench role than.

you know what he was playing in Cincinnati you know he's he's probably not a guy that needs to be playing 140 150 games a year maybe more so like 120 you know so and you can dh him you can play him at third you know he can stand at second if you want him to I'm sure he can handle first just fine like he makes so much so much sense and he gives you power off of the bench like legitimate power off of the bench

that'd be really nice to have the other guy that I'll mention here though Matt Carpenter He didn't play a lot Last year but my God He was incredible in New York when he did play And by the way Colby He played the corner outfield spots as well last year A little bit

Now Left-handed hitter so clearly he's disqualified Clearly Yes I'd be down for Matt Carpenter He's got an amazing mustache I wonder if he'd keep it in Seattle Yeah

Yeah that was definitely brought on by him being in New York but I suggest that he keeps it because it was pretty sick. He played 47 games last year and had a 217 WRC Plus. 217 in 47 games. Right now. Now again. Yankee Stadium. You know, Yankee Stadium is a really good fit for his swing.

But yeah, no, I'd be okay with Matt Carpenter. I think what, you know, people lose track of sometimes is there's this idea that every free agent move has to be like this massive impactful like four win player for it to make a difference. And that's just not true. You know, what you build on your bench, what you build as part of your platoon, what you build on your rotation, like those guys ideally are still going to get 300 played appearances. That's a pretty decent chunk.

So you don't want bums on your bench. You want guys who, you know, A, can cover you in case of injury or B can help prevent injuries by playing enough games so that players like J.P. Crawford, who have worn down at the end of the year, every single year of his career, don't have to play 150 games. Now they can play 130. And A. E. E. E. Hino-Swarz doesn't have to play 162 games. Now he can play 140. Yeah. And he can D.A. some. Like, yeah, and Julio doesn't have to, you know, if Julio needs a DH day, fine, whatever. We can, we have center field cover. We don't have to put Dylan Moore out there and watch his god-awful routes in center field. That's not even a shot at Dylan Moore. That's a shot at

the Mariners roster building for not having a viable backup center field option. But anyways, those bench players, those boring deals, those one year, seven million dollar deals, those matter and they are significant. So when we sit here and talk about Drury and Carpenter and Myers and Pollack and, you know, all these guys and you say, well, that's, that's boring. That doesn't make them any better. You're objectively wrong. The Mariners are a better team with Brandon Drury on their bench than they are with Abraham Toro, than they are with Sam Haggurty, then they are with, you know, Donovan Walton, the all guys who... The Swaggerty stands here, can I come after you now?

Okay, you watch Sam Haggurty in September and tell me he's a good player. Get out of here that nonsense. Uh-oh. Uh-oh. You guys, you guys want to sit here and pretend that Haggurty is the answer to anything off of 200 plate appearances. Uh-oh. Uh-oh. Get out of here. Get out of here. You know what? If that's you, then don't come complaining to me that, Oh, the Mariners didn't sign Trey Turner. You think Sam Haggerty's a great player. Get out of here with your nonsense. Why would I trust your opinion on anything?

Haggerty might have a role, but he should not be guaranteed one. Let's be very clear about that. We're getting derailed here, though. Back on Carpenter. Sure. Well. So, so DePoto specifically mentioned, you know, we face a lot of lefties. We want guys who can hit lefties who can match lefties. Matt Carpenter last year, despite being a lefty, 333, 421, 848 against

lefties. That was the slash line. It's okay. Obviously small sample size, but those are ridiculous numbers. And of course, you know, majority of that small sample size coming at Yankee Stadium. And he was significantly better at home than he was away as well. So do you have to account for that.

But I think he does still have something left in the tank. I'd be interested in the mirrors kicking the tires on Matt Carpenter and seeing if he could fit into this thing. All right. You know who is a right-handed hitting corner outfielder? And is also a left-handed hitting corner outfielder? Brian Reynolds. Josh Bell.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. That'll be interesting to see what the guardians do with him. Is he going to play any outfield for them? Godspeed to them. I hope. I really hope not. Or, well, honestly, for the mirror's sake,

because they're probably going to be in a wild card fight with them, at least. Yeah, play him in the outfield some Do it. Do it, Cleveland. Bet you won't. Bet you won't. Let's all collectively bully the Guardians into playing Josh Bell in the outfield for 80 games this season.

Anywho, Brian Reynolds, talked about him a lot yesterday. I talked about how I think the Mariners should get pretty aggressive with some of the names that they throw around here because of what, you know, their ability to replenish this farm system in a pretty grand way the next calendar year. with Felden and Celestine and the three, you know,

basically first round picks that they have that they're set to make next summer. Ryan Divish got on the radio today, Seventh in Seattle Sports. And I don't, I didn't listen to it myself. So, um,

I'm just kind of going off of what you told me in the DMs here. So if I get this wrong, you know who to blame folks. That guy right next to me. Uh, you said, Dibbis, points of right. way time. I didn't, I didn't even try pointing. I didn't even try pointing this time because like the

mirroring, it just throws me up. So you said, you said, so Davis said on 710 that Kirby, Gilbert, Raleigh are 100% untouchable for Reynolds. But the team would absolutely part with Matt Brash, basically said Brash Hancock Ford for Reynolds. So what are your thoughts on, is that like a package that he was thrown out there or just names that he thinks the pirates like? mostly just names. He mentioned specifically that the Mariners will or would be open to trading Matt Brash in this type of package because they believe in their development system and their ability to find replacement arms.

And then he said, you know, that essentially, you know, he's not going to be cheap. The pirates are going to demand, you know, top prospects along with Brash. And that would include Harry Ford and especially Emerson Hancock. So I don't know if Divish knows about the pirates like of, you know, we're a real interest in Hancock. We did get the report last year that the pirates apparently really love Emerson Hancock. So we'll see about that. And then I believe it was Brock,

Brock Hewer came in and asked about Kalnick and Divish said, it's a possibility. And so, yeah, Divich didn't exactly, like, it wasn't like this is their offer. It was more like, here's what they can offer. and here's what I think they would they would be willing to do. And, you know, that's that's pretty significant, but also not all that far off of what we said it would, it would cost. It's just a matter of whether or not the pirates like Harry Ford and, you know, Hancock, really enough to do that. Because, again, like we talked about yesterday, Seattle can make a competitive offer.

That's a competitive offer for Brian Reynolds. it just seems to be one that can easily be beaten unless the pirates love Emerson Hancock or they love Harry Ford and think that they're a top 30, 40 prospect in all baseball, which is possible. It's possible. So on top of that,

there was another report and take this with a very, very tiny grain of salt here. But there was a report from Cody Duncan, who is a writer for the Pirates website on Fancy. decided and he's also on Fox Sports I think it's like 104.1 Fox Sports or something like that in

Pittsburgh and he said per source the Seattle mayors are in on Brian Reynolds's name is being thrown around Matt Brash Derek Kelnick, Harry Ford and Emerson Hancock I was just told via DMs by someone that this is just

this guy is just regurgitating what Davis is saying and yeah And that's all it is. And this guy basically just, he doesn't have anything. That's what I was just told by a trusted source. So I wouldn't put too much into that. But he does work for a radio station in Pittsburgh. So maybe he's heard something on the very slight chance.

But at the end of the day, I mean, that just like, it makes sense, right? That's just kind of a blanket statement. That's, you know, like, we could say that too, right? We could go on Twitter and be like, pretty course. Yeah, the Mariners are in on Brian Reynolds. and yeah, Matt Brash could be of interest, you know. Right, of course. Because we could piece it together based off of what we know.

We know the Mariners love, or the Mariners love Brian Reynolds. We know that the pirates once starting pitching. We know that in the past, the pirates have really liked Emerson Hancock. And then we have Divish saying today that, like, yeah, they would have to probably include Brash and Harry Ford, too. And so we could generate the same exact report per sources, which, again, I don't want to come out and say this guy is definitely doing this. that, but it's so close to what Divish said on his radio hit this morning that it's hard to believe that's not what happened. But, you know, it still means that Divish, you know, has come up with this idea and thinks it's somewhat viable or at least what the Marlins would offer. So there's

still value in Divish's speculation here because he has a, you know, a pretty good idea, certainly better than a lot of us about what the Mariners would be willing to offer. So, I do think the second report is just kind of regurgitated from, you know, just kind of putting puzzle pieces together, essentially. But I do think that there's still value in the conversation because, again, Divish is speculating that, you know, this is what it would take. And now we know that the Mariners are absolutely willing to move Matt Brash in a Brian Reynolds package, which we kind of assume they would be willing to do. But now we know. And like I said, at the end of the day, no matter what, this is still going to come down to do the pirates. really like Harry Ford and Emerson Hancock.

And if they do, then the Mariners have a shot. If the Mariners, or if the pirates think that like, Ford's four years away and he's probably, you know, more of a third basement than a catcher and Hancock's probably a number four. Like, yeah, things are going to be tough. It's going to be tough to get a deal done. But if they think that Hancock is still legit, you know, mid-rotation or better starter and they think Ford can really stick a catcher or play

up the middle and he's going to hit and they believe in Jared Kelnick. can they think Brash can start then yeah then then that package is going to be pretty appealing to them so we'll see what happens I don't think anything's I don't think my odds have changed based off of where I was yesterday with any of this but it is it is interesting to say the least I'm a Matt Barash Stan but I would do that in a heartbeat right like this is all four yeah yeah no the the whole like like the like even if that was the entire package right like if it was Brash Kilnick Hancock, Ford, hell, throw Taylor Dahlard in there as well. I would do that.

Again, I think you can get very aggressive here. I think you can afford to get very aggressive here if you're the Mariners. You can get aggressive with bulk. Yeah. Right. You can't get aggressive with the top. You can't wave George Kirby, which they're not going to do, according to division. They're not going to wave around Logan Gilbert or Kyle Raleigh.

They're not going to entertain that, nor should they, right? Because there is a limit. And there is like, you know, you got to weigh the value of corner outfielder, mid-rotation starter or starting catcher. And I hope like those are premium premium positions. Whereas, you know, let's be real about it.

The Mariners do need to do something in the corner outfield spot. But Brian, they don't need to necessarily get someone like Brian Reynolds to fill that role either. Right. Like that is a bit of a luxury for them. So you don't want to take away from something, from a premium spot that you desperately need for to essentially land a luxury. when you can just

you know at that point like I would rather just go out and spend the four years and $60 million on Andrew Benatendi honestly like I'd rather just do that do do you think that maybe the Mariners desire

for a corner infielder all of a sudden could be linked to maybe Pittsburgh wants Thai France or somebody like that in the deal like would you do tie france and matt brash for for for brian reynolds just straight up yeah because that's six years of brash three years of france for for three years of bryan reynolds it hurts i don't think that it hurts so much i don't think i want because it's like

because at that point would you just rather go sign ben attendee yeah yeah yeah because like also because now that creates another that creates another problem for me that takes away a very affordable and productive player from a spot where I'm probably going to now have to soak some money into to fill that vacancy. I trade it like a number five or number six hitter in a good lineup

and a high leverage reliever for a number three hitter. Yeah. Like, did you really get better? I mean, maybe a E. E. Junio Suarez, but third base is really tough to fill and Suarez is an older player, so probably not. Yeah. Yeah. And Suarez is such a good clubhouse fit

and all that stuff. Like there's more that goes into it. just be beyond what the player gives you on the field as well. Ty is advocating for trading Thai France and J.P. Crawford. Oh, oh, I know. And Matt Brash. I saw a lot of you on Mariners Twitter quickly, quickly giving up on J.P. Crawford. As soon as M.LB nerds tweeted about Trey Turner, it was like, oh, yeah, I'm done playing with you, J.P. Crawford. Bye, bye, buddy.

I, you all, you all, you know who you are. You all owe J.P. Crawford an apology, folks. For shame. shame. All right. Anything else you want to add before we hop out of here? We're on the Thai France for Brian Reynolds bandwagon. Straight up, obviously a deal.

Pittsburgh would definitely do. We are not. The first baseman for an All-Star. He is. Let me figure out if I can point the right way. Did I do it? Did I do it? Yeah.

Yeah. I finally figured it out. All right. Last, last thing. Would you do Thai France, Emerson Hancock, and Harry Ford for Brian Reynolds? for Brian Reynolds. No, no.

Look at the ties sticking together. Yeah, exactly. Right. Now, to be... Viva la France. To be fair, though, again, I'm going to say it. I always say this. Thai France, fake tie.

It's short for Tyler. My name, however, I'm just Thai. I'm just Thai. Are you seriously ending the show by gatekeeping the name Ty? That's exactly. That's the hill that I choose to die on here. That is my brand.

So the actual tie. club must be pretty small. Yeah, it is. It is. It's me and that's about. Ty Kelly. Ty Kelly. Or is he Tyler as well?

Nope, he's Tyler. Ty Cobb is Tyrus, so he's out. I'm just, I'm just Ty. Must be lonely at the top, Ty. That's true. That is true. I can attest to that for sure, especially in terms of this dynamic here on this podcast. That's going to do it for our shit.

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