Locked On Mariners - Daily Podcast On the Seattle Mariners - We VOTED For the 50 Greatest Seattle Mariners of ALL-TIME!

Episode Date: December 3, 2025

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The Mariners of Tass fans with deciding the 50 best players in team history. Today, we're going to fill out our ballot. Colby, hit it. You are Locked-on Mariners. Your daily Seattle Mariners podcast, part of the Locked-on Podcast Network, your team every day. Ahoy, Sailors, it is Wednesday, December 3rd, 2025. You're listening to the Locked-on Mariner's podcast, the locked on podcast network now the number one sports podcast network my name is tiding azales and i'm joined as

always by mccose colby patnode we're two lifelong meres fans who've been covering the team for over half a decade and on today's show with the mayor's 50th season right around the corner the team has put out a ballot for fans to vote for the 50 best players of franchise history so we're going to fill out ours but before we do i want to shout out our title sponsor today fan duel if you want to be right in the middle of the action this season visit fanduel dot com and place your NFL live bets all season long so yes the mariner's 50th anniversary is coming up and the mariners have a lot planned for it including the 50 best mariners of all time list taking a little bit of inspiration from what the seahawks did this year with their 50th year celebration where they did their top 50

players so they're having fans vote they're having media vote and they're also having members of the organization vote on this thing. So today we're going to do our part. They put out a ballot a couple of weeks ago. It's live on the mayor's website. I think it's live until. February 7th. Yeah, or February 20th, 5 o'clock.

Yeah. So you got some time. But if you want to play along with us, vote now. The link will be in the description of this episode. So all you have to do is click that. So yeah, so let's get into it. All right. So I think we should get this out of the way real quick.

Colby, when was like the first, or what was the first Mariners season you like consciously remember watching? 2001. Same. So that's kind of as far back as our personal experience with the club goes. Anything prior to that were more so. I mean, like obviously we don't need to really have much of a discussion about like King Griffey Jr. or Alvin Davis, right?

But when it comes to some of the guys, you know, from like the 70s and the 80s, not as much the 90s, but specifically the 70s and 80s or more so going to go off of production numbers, stuff like that to inform our decisions. There's obviously a couple of guys that are an exception to that that have gone beyond that that we, you know, we obviously know of. But yeah, I just wanted to make that clear. I think the easiest way to start this thing off is just to go over the guys that we consider locks for this list. So I have 61 guys on my list in total that includes 26 guys I consider locks. Plus there's the one guy that we're like choosing as our guy to kind of campaign for as well. But we'll get into that a little bit later. Yeah.

Yeah. If you listen to yesterday's show, we already said it. Uh, so yeah, let's just go through this locks list. So, um, Cal Raleigh and Dan Wilson, I think those are the locks in the catcher, uh, spots, uh, Edgar, Nelson Cruz. Those are my locks, uh, in the DH spot. Uh, just tell me no, so I don't select these guys on who I think is lock. So, uh, you know, if you don't think so. Uh, so A-Rod, right? Yep. Yep, Alvin Davis, obviously. Um, let's see here.

P. Crawford. Yeah, I have him. Okay, cool. Uh, John Allerud. Nope. Okay, interesting. Kyle Seeger. Yeah. Okay. Uh, so that's it for the infielders for me. Um, I got each row on here. Yep. Yep. J. B.ner. Okay. Uh, Julio. Yep. Okay. Uh, Griffey, obviously. Cammy. Yep. Okay. Raoul Yep Okay Where is he Mitch Hanager Okay Interesting

And then pitchers I got Felix Where is he There's Felix Yep Randy Johnson of course I was kind of all over the place When I made this list

So I kind of have to scroll up and down here Freddy Garcia No Okay Interesting Jamie Moyer Okay Mike Moore

No Okay Eric Hansen Yep Okay Kansen Mark Langston Mark Langston

Mm-hmm Okay Jeff Nelson Yep Okay Arthur Rhodes Nope Okay

JJ puts Nope Okay and Arthur Rhodes on there, along with Jeff Nelson. Those three guys, they're the only three relievers of Mariner's history that are both top five and any pitch and F4. The relievers are just kind of weird because, again, they just don't have like the stain power. You know, like they just don't, they throw 175 games. It's like, cool, but that's over three seasons, whereas a one year of Raul Ivanya, as he plays 150 games, you know.

And so the relievers are tough. I know we're going to have some relievers on the list. But I just didn't want to lock in many of them as locks because, you know, there might be an argument to be made like, hey, we want to get this extra infielder in there. Like, are we really going to let, you know, Arthur Rhodes be the difference there? I don't know. So, yeah, certainly all those guys that aren't on my list are deserving and probably ultimately end up on our group list. I just didn't think that they were like lock locks. Like I think you can make an argument that somebody else might be a little bit more deserving.

But obviously, you know, there's going to be a couple people who get left off. That's just kind of the way it works. Sure. So, all right. So we're at 20 right now. So we got 30 spots open for the rest of the list. So was there anyone on your list that I didn't have? No.

No. Okay. Cool. so let's just I guess let's just talk about these final six guys that I had as as locks um so Mitch Hanager I mean if we're talking about Mitch Hanager as a future Mary's Hall of Famer I think he has to be on the top 50 list yeah I mean I think I probably end up voting for him anyways but I think to me Mitch Hanager is on there we probably have to pick Harold Reynolds as well okay that's fine uh Harold was on

my he was he was on my babies yeah i think so so uh yeah hanniger is how do those how do those two guys correlate though for you i mean just like look harold reynolds was one of the bigger players for the team in the 80s though he was never the best player on the team uh he was in an era that didn't see a ton of success just like hanniger uh and i think that he was a bigger deal to the city of seattle than was to baseball in general. They both had long careers in Seattle. Reynolds led the league in stolen bases, something Hanager hadn't led to league in anything.

So I just look at those and I like, look, we're including the guys who were good, but not great for, you know, more than five or six years here in Seattle. And by the way, spoiler alert, there's going to be a lot of that on this list. Yeah, yeah. So, yeah, I just think that, you know,

if we're going to go with players who are probably more valued for like them as mariners more so than their production, you know what I mean? Like not that Reynolds or Hanager weren't productive players, they were. It's just that like they're a little bit more like, those guys are mariners and they are like those guys are all stars, great players, elite players or anything like that. So just kind of a vibe of like, yeah, like kind of the reason you vote for JP, honestly. Where it's like JP, really good shortstop. Is he like an elite player? Has he ever been like an all-star caliber player for Seattle? Maybe once, maybe.

But, yeah, I just think Harold Reynolds is just kind of an iconic part of the Mariners, too. Better or worse. But, yeah, I think Harold and Mitch were going to be on our top 50 regardless, to be honest. I don't think there's really any harm of just knocking those two out right now. All right, we are going to hammer out the rest of this list in just a moment. But first a reminder, this episode of the Lockdown Barrett's podcast is brought to you by both Fandul and Dewar. NFL Sundays move fast. One big play and suddenly everything feels different.

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Thank you so much for making us your first listen and also thank you for making Lockdown the number one sports podcast network. We are filling out our ballot for the top 50 Mariners of all time. We got 22 names on here so far, and right now we're going through my list of who I consider to be locks for this list, going through the names that Colby didn't have on his locks list. So Freddie Garcia, I think Freddie has to be on here. Yeah, Freddie was on my like next group of like 20 players or so that we were like, yeah, probably have to vote for that guy.

But like, you know, if somebody left him off the ballot, I think they could possibly explain themselves. You know, one thing that people might do, not to take this too seriously, but like, you know Edgar's going to be on the team. So why does he need my vote? You know, who might need my vote? Rauli Banya is or whatever. It's the whole Hall of Fame voting. Right. It's like, well, he's going to get in with 95% of the vote.

What difference doesn't make if he gets 95 or 94? I'm going to vote for this guy. So he stays on the ballot, that type of thing, which, you know, again, it's taking this awfully seriously. But whatever. you know, do whatever you want with it. It's your ballot. Sure. Mike Moore.

I mean, he's one of the ten most valuable pictures of marinerous history by Fangraph standards, but also, you know, that's retroactively putting an evaluation on him, right? That wasn't done in real time. Yes. When we talk about like, hey, who are the all-time great Mariners? Is Mike Moore ever come into your head? No, but again, I do want to show some love to. Yeah.

Yeah, I'm totally fond of that era. I know he was a really good pitcher for a few years. So I'm fine with that. You're fine with that? Okay. Yeah, just one of those things where it's like, look, when I was thinking of locks, I'm thinking like, hey, when we talk about like the best Mariners of all time, sure.

These names are coming up. So that's kind of what my locks list were. And then there's other guys who are like, these guys are probably coming up. But like, they might also end up being in that category. We were like, hey, you remember how good this guy was? You're like, oh, yeah, he was really good. and that's kind of where Freddy is. John Olerud, you didn't have him on, right?

No. His time in Seattle, though, was just so good. Yeah, but so was Tino Martinez, and nobody thinks Tino Martinez is a lock. Not as good as John Ollarood. It's pretty freaking good. Like his last two years, sure. But, like, Olerud had four really good years in Seattle. I think Tino Martinez falls into the Adrian Beltra.

category where he was better elsewhere. And so people kind of downgrade how well he played for you here when he was here. So like I think that's part of it. He was an all-star here. Yeah. Is Olerud a bit more qualified than Thai France though? Like yes. I don't know.

I don't know. Like numbers-wise, sure. But like obviously this isn't just about numbers. So, and we saw Thai France play. we saw John Olerud play so I think you know we have that context of those players whereas you know we didn't really see Tino Martinez play so now it's like oh we have to rely solely on the numbers and all that so Olerud is not a guy I'm willing to just definitely put on the list I think he'll probably end up being on the list though

I mean if we're just going off of numbers Olerud's second and third seasons in Seattle were better than Tino Martinez's best season in Seattle. Sure. Let me ask you this. Was Brett Boone on your lock list? No, but for a different reason. And why is John Olerud? Oh, now we're counting steroid users.

Okay, so take Nelson Cruz off your list. Well, because I think there is a discussion to be had there. I think there's a big discussion to be had with John Olerud. Again, we have to get to 50. Yeah. And I think Olerud will eventually get on. I just didn't think that he was like a slam dunk, no brainer. We have to move on.

like he's not even worth a discussion but okay so we're leaving him off for now i mean we're going to circle back on my hunch is that he'll end up on our ballot by the end of this okay um all right so the two relievers arthur roads and j j puts you just want to leave him off for now and circle back i see how many slots we have i guess i it's kind of interesting you have roads and puts but not dyes or munoz again it was just because it's just because longevity and value

sure but Munoz is under contract for another three years like you know that he's gonna well he's on he's on my babies I got a lot of babies here right I think the again

the relievers it's just kind of like hey let's see how many spots we have because I just feel like if we end up having to cut like 11 12 15 names however many it is

the relievers are probably first to go but you know we might as well fill them in now so we know how many we have to cut so let's vote yeah let's lock in roads okay uh we get lock in puts that's fine but i think then we have to lock in either munios or diaz i'm fine locking in both okay frankly let's just lock those guys in right so mooney yeah we have to make some cuts they're probably going to come from the bullpen unfortunately sure okay so what are we uh right now let's scroll down we're at 28 Okay. So I'm just going to go down my list of maybes and you just stop me if you want to talk about a guy.

Okay. Adrian Beltray. That's a yes for me. Yeah. Let's just put them in. Like I, again, we kind of alluded to this like Beltrae is in one of those weird cases where like his stop in Seattle was like the worst stretch of his career. And he was still really freaking good. Plus he's Adrian Beltray. like come on you know what let's let's let's talk about guys like that real quick so there's beltray there's robinson cano that's an easy yes for me as well that's a easy yes for me as well like

yes obviously it didn't end well it ended with the suspension and all that but he is a top 10 position player by war maris history to mention he's arguably like a top five second baseman in baseball history and he played here for five years and he was really good in those five years like yeah so um righter to me yeah yeah robinson cano is on this list um then there's like the weird ones where it feels like cheating that they're even on this list it's like goose gossage and ricky henderson yeah yeah those guys right like i didn't even they're not on my maybe's list no i the the thing that's tough with rickie is that like undoubtedly in terms of like who are the best players who have ever worn a mariner's uniform rickie henderson is on that

list. Ricky Anderson's one of the best players ever, but he was only here for like 60 games. Yeah. And it wasn't like in his prime even. So like to me got Ricky Anderson's not on my list either. Uh, you know, I wish he would be. But I just, I can't make it make sense in my head that a guy who was here for 60 games and like wasn't, you know, an all star quality player is going to be in our top 50. I, I don't know. Yeah. Uh, Brett Boone, even though he's on, my maybe's list like he's pretty much a lock for me like I don't see how you leave him off yeah yeah I get it the steroid stuff whatever I mean on top of just destroying baseballs he was also a gold glove caliber defender at second base like yeah that's like three or four incredible years here

and also again if you're going to knock him for steroid use then you have to take nelson cruz off the list and that is not happening yeah so harold Reynolds was on here so carloski also kind of falls into the better after he last yeah thing yeah so I don't know I don't know about him here's an interesting one

Gino yeah to me Gino is kind of like he falls in with the nailer and the Ricky Henderson and like the Gene Segura where it's just like Polo maybe even where it's just like he hasn't been here as long as a lot of these guys on this list but like

the impact in the time that he has been here has been so great that it's tough to kind of you know i definitely don't want to lump him together with jean sagura no but you know what i mean it's just like sagura was really good when he was here sure it was only here for two years like he doesn't have a ton of memorable moments or anything like that where gino does have memorable moments but they're both here for only you know a short time and they're both very valuable players uh when they were here so like the personalities are very different, but their, like, actual value that they gave Seattle when they were here, pretty similar, if we're being honest. Do you know, just so beloved by this fan base, though, I mean, he's got to be, like, one of the most beloved mariners of all time.

Sure. So I kind of feel like he has to be on this list. But we can circle back. We can circle back. Mike Blowers. Is Mike Blowers making this team because he was a. pretty good player for a couple years or because he was in the broadcast booth for 15. I didn't watch Flowers play.

I know. I can look at the numbers. He was pretty good. Obviously, the numbers are a bit difficult to interpret because he played in the steroid era, not that he took steroids, but just like numbers we would look at and be like, wow,

that's really good relative to the era he played in. Yeah, they were fine. But I don't, my thing with Blowers, the reason I'm hesitant to put him on. here is I feel like a lot a large chunk of what he brings to the table is what he's done in the broadcast booth and we're trying to pick the 50 best players not the 50 best you know just mariners

affiliated people so blowers is a tough one for me uh okay so jane sagura joey cora uh bruce bacti uh dillon more uh huh uh i mean is mark macklemore on your maybe's list yes okay then i guess it's fair to have dillmore on there yeah uh robinson or we already put him in uh tie france yeah uh franklin goodierrez yep i think we maybe i think we can't i think we should put him on here i mean we'll see put him on there for now and but he i think he's probably one of those guys that like if we have to make a cut mm might have a conversation there i wish he was healthy yeah what about the two randies

yeah the two randies that's two i have next on my list randy kind of in the gino you know a rosal rana you mean well yeah just like randy and gino are pretty similar they're big personalities they're you know

pretty well loved by the fan base and they've been here for a pretty short time but they've each had some pretty big moments uh for the mariners and and how do you counteract that against somebody who was here for like ever and was pretty good but not like elite you know what I mean like how how do you weigh the the short term versus the like hey this guy was pretty good for eight years versus hey this guy was really good for three you know so yeah I just I love Randy and I also love Randy Wend so really good

this is going to be a tough one for me to not put either of those guys on or only one of them on well let's just put them on and then again if we have to i think it's probably easier we just put guys on and then we're just like okay now we have to eliminate some dudes that's probably the best way to go about this all right let me find the randies there okay uh phil bradley that's my last position player on here yeah i just i don't have a good frame of or frame of reference for him like you had a pretty high peak yeah and i'm looking at the numbers right now um yeah like three years with an 850 OPS yeah uh you know not really a home run hitter but pretty good doubles hit for a high average drew a lot of walks like again Bradley's one of those guys it feels like unfair where it's like look if i watch him play probably just based on the numbers but I didn't watch him play so it's tough for me to really put that into a frame of a kind of like Rupert Jones I know he was like a big all-star for the Mariners and all that but it's like I don't know I don't have you know same with

tartable he was a star for Seattle a young star and then they trade in him pretty early Dave Henderson kind of in the Mike Blowers mold where it's like is he in because of what he did as a player for the Mariners or because he was in the broadcast booth for like a good, you know, because Henderson was one of those guys who was much better after he left Seattle than when he was here. But yeah, put the Randy's in there for now. Yeah. And

yeah, Bradley, fine. Yeah, I'm fine with that. Phil Bradley. All right. Yeah. Let's find him and add him. All right. Boom. There we go. So we're at 35 out of 50. So we've got 15 more spots open for now. And you're listening to the Locked on

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maybes here. Now in the pitcher's side of things just stop me if there's a guy you want to talk about here. Casasaki Mike Jackson. I'm doing the relievers first before the starters. Do you want me to do the starters first? They're not listed as starter and relievers. I kind of got to jump around on the ballot. I think Cass has to be on here. Sure. That's I think we should start with the pitchers. I think a very simple question here.

How many of the current five are making this lineup? So I have four of them on my maybes. Logan Gilbert and George Kirby are already top 10 in terms of like F4 in team history. I think Luis has to be on there. Yeah. Yeah, he's already pitched in so many big games for them. Yeah. You know, the trade for him was such a.

huge deal yeah yeah i think i think louis has to be on here and i i think logan and george have already done enough to to get on this list woo not yet i didn't even and i didn't have i didn't even have i didn't even have bryce on yeah i don't know i'm just look if we're going to put like floyd banister on here and not george kirby or logan gilbert i'm going to get mad Okay. Then I guess we're just putting freaking Gilmesh on here too. The Lord Perry. Relax. Uh, yeah.

All right. Well, I'm fine putting four, although like Kirby to me. Not four. Three. Gilbert, Castillo, and, uh, and Kirby. No, I don't think Wu's done enough yet. Like, if this was like two years in the future, then he'd probably be on it. yeah i just don't think all right that's fine it's time yet but logan and george i think they've done

enough to me now there's a discussion between like three like loved mariner starters yeah who probably you know marco pax and kuma yep yep yeah yeah so i think kuma has to be on here God, he was so good. He was so good. He should have one to Sye Young. Has the no hitter. Yeah. Let's throw him on there.

Yeah. He has to be honest. He also has a no hitter. He does. I was there for that. So I have a personal attachment to James Paxon. Paxton's kind of like Franklin Gutierrez where you're just like, oh man, imagine if he'd stayed healthy.

Yeah. So, um, Pax, Dick, Maple. this one i'm obviously very biased towards james faxton like if i was just doing this list on my own i'd be like absolutely throw him on there and again you might be one of the first guys that gets back marco is so tough uh where is he yeah marco because you and i you know the step back the retooling the rebuild whatever and marco was such a huge part of that like i've again this is another like i'm very biased i have a very personal attachment to marco

gonzalez so like if i'm just doing this list on my own i'm like yeah absolutely he's on here but all right that's fine all right marco gonzalez is on here all right So, yeah. I think, you know, keeping in our, like, group of threes here, I see three relievers who don't quite have the longevity, but certainly have, like, the hearts of our fans. Now, keep in mind, we need to keep one spot open for our guy that we're campaigning for. Yep. But we'll talk about that later. Do you know the three guys I'm talking about are?

For what? Again. The, what, the, uh, the relief pitchers who probably don't have quite the track record. the length that you would like but are just like absolute fan favorites so Paul yep Seewald who else

Matt Brash yeah I didn't put him on my Mabies and Norm Charlton yeah I have Norm on here yeah yeah the big reason for not having on there too a big reason for not having Brash on here

was him missing last year and then like this year he was he was good but he wasn't mad brash sure but brash is objectively better than paul seawald but i i don't like it's tough for me to put seawald on this list and not put brash or the other way around yeah it's good point all right let's let's let's wrap up on those starting pitchers real quick and then we'll we'll circle back to that conversation so the other guys that have on here Floyd Bannister Jared Washburn

Matt Young Jim any of those guys Bannister maybe yeah Bannister is like a top 15 like most valuable pitcher and Marist history yeah I'm fine with putting

Bannister on here just to show love to that era sure yeah I think that's the only guy Bill Swift was a guy that Yeah That I can just kind of flip-flopped on like

Is he gonna be on my maybe's I just I don't know Again like understand the era that Ty and I watch Bill Swift doesn't mean anything to us Yeah like that just goes completely over my head So You understand some people are probably gonna get left off of our list Just because we didn't watch them play Yeah yeah some of you who have been watching the Bears

since they got to Seattle like you're probably like no absolutely that guy needs to be on here so sorry this is just you know our frame of reference feel free to vote for him yeah yeah yeah I'm not gonna be upset if he makes the top 50 yeah that's why that's why I made the disclaimer that I did at the start of the show uh all right so we are at 43 out of 50 right now uh so yeah so let's let's circle back on that reliever conversation so Norm, Paul, rash. I also have Mike Jackson on here.

You could throw Tomahompson in there. Yeah. Yeah, there's also him and like Furbush and those guys like from the mid-2010s bullpen. Yeah, yeah. Well, we already have one representative from that group coming up. So. Yeah. It's a really good bullpen though.

Again, my thing with Mike Jackson is just that like. Yeah. I didn't see Mike Jackson. accent pitch so like I can look at his statistics and I can be like yeah he's pretty good here I mean he's yeah he was one of the best relievers in team history just statistically yep so but again I just I don't have that that frame of reference but like the numbers are the numbers like it'd be pretty hard no love for Bobby I Aala Colby what's that no love for Bobby Iala Coley I don't know who that is Um, so, you know, he is technically the six most valuable reliever in marinerous history by F. War is not a perfect staff. It's not a perfect. It's not a perfect stout.

I mean, his overall number is not terrible. I mean, the ERA is bad, but like nine one seven case for nine, three six three walks per nine. That's fine. I would just like to point out that if Bobby I. Al is on this list, the distrust, the disrespect to not have one of the best closers in Mariner's history, Steve Seashek on this list, is absurd. You would talk about iconic moments, excuse me, the wild pitch on Sunday night baseball in Chicago, it doesn't get any more wild than that.

Like, that is iconic. That's right. That's right. The disrespect has been noted. Hey, what about Shiggy? That's right. And Shiggy. Yeah.

No. Yeah, no. Like, yeah, but no. Yeah, like, I don't know. There's some of these other guys, like, Gabe Spire. yeah um mark low david arsma the d a yeah yeah nick vincent actually had a really nice career yeah very solid yeah is raphael seriano on this list he is but like not yeah he is yeah no brandon league also another guy pretty good pretty good yeah just the the relievers are

so tough i feel like the relievers who do make it kind of to have to be closers and if they weren't closers like they had to be really freaking good like i mean that standouts that describes matt brash well that to me more so like describes like jeff nelson but sure well i mean statistically speaking they're probably pretty close on like a per game pitch basis but like seawald and in charlton were both uh closers i mean if you want to put matt brash on here that's fine I won't hold you on I just again it's tough for me to be like

oh yeah definitely Norm Charlton who statistically was only pretty good here but not Matt Brash just because what Matt Brash doesn't have a save well I mean like if the Mariners are mostly are we mostly just going with production here

I mean I think for the most part yeah okay because like if we're going beyond that because like Norm Charlton pretty iconic player like in terms of like you know the history of the marriage

especially the 90s yeah yeah so like he's also pretty good just not you know quite as good as like the legend to have you believe so do you want to put these three guys on here Norm Paul and Brash I say yes

okay I mean we're running out of time so we kind of have to make some firm decision so I say yes on those three yeah and then what does that leave us with so that leaves us with four spots so I'm counting our

lock yeah so three spots not counting our lock yeah are you count did we count Gino I don't remember uh no so Thai France is not on here yet Gino's not on here yet

Mark McLemore is not on here John Oliverud's not on here Jesus Yeah, so we're probably going to have we're going to, we're probably, we're probably, we're probably going to have to cut a couple of relievers. Yeah, Gino's not on here. No Joey Cora. No Joey Cora. Gia.

No, no, no, Cigura. No, Sanino. Josh Naylor, I feel like he, I feel like Josh Taylor is going to make the team. And that one, I will legitimately be like, come on, guys. Like, not mad. just a little disappointed like no i just i love josh i love josh but it's been like it's been two and a half when when you do the 60 year anniversary and you pick the top 60 not that they'll do that but you know what i mean like no brainer yep i i would be shocked if josh nether wasn't on that but you're doing

a top 50 and he was here for 54 games plus the what 12 in the playoffs like let's like at least the whole year guys will it let us go over like can i just like click a bunch of names and i'll let us go over and then yeah i don't it does and then we can and then we can cut after that cool okay yeah no that's I wasn't saying let's let's just vote for 55 but like that's just for like to make things easy on me all right so like let's see here type for ants you want to put Tino on here I feel like it's either Tino or John and I'm fine going with John over Tino if you have that strong of a preference.

I just think it's closer than people want to admit. But like, yeah, Olerud's really good. Plus he's a Washington guy. Like, so that helps. Yeah. Kind of the thing with Gino,

it's like if we pick him, he's not going to be able to be at the thing. I mean, how many of these guys are going to be at the thing? Yeah, that's fair. I mean, a lot of them are retired.

Yeah. But yeah, I feel like Gino just kind of has to be. Yeah. Yeah, he's just so beloved. He's so beloved. David Bell

we didn't really talk about him no yeah Guyin you're cool with leaving off right yeah I'm a big Guillain fan but he was just he was just so much better in Detroit than he was in Seattle

he's solid here but he wasn't no yeah just doesn't make the cut Virgie Ken Phelps probably guys were overlooking because of the era but yeah Cigara

I'm fine leaving Sikarov Polo I didn't mention it but it was only one good year So I'm fine like it's it's more than It's more the nailer but Some truly iconic kits So in only the one year

Yeah yeah that's a good point That's a good point But like again we were doing just iconic kits Where's Leo Rivas guys Yeah exactly I mean no that's a very good that's a very good point eligible player criteria here this is from the mariner's themselves must have one of the following played four plus seasons in Seattle has one plus all start appearance currently leads are near the top of major mariners statistical categories or part of an iconic moment leo rivas tying that game on his birthday is not an iconic moment shame on you mariners you can't write people in by the way on the next slide so I guess if you really want to ride in Leo Rebus. That's who we're campaigning for.

Campaigning for Leo Rebus. No, we're not. Carlos Santana, iconic moments. David Segui was pretty good, but I'm not saying he should be on the top 50, but he was pretty good, actually. Jim Presley,

like, I know he's, like, you go back and you look at Presley's numbers, you're like, really, this is what passed for a star for the Mariners in the 80s. Slim Peckons. I mean, like, I get it. But like, again, don't get me wrong.

understand why the 80s are underrepresented but like lengthen you know first year of edgar yeah randy harold alvin like they're you know we should probably give a little more love so you know honestly we probably should have saved this conversation for gary hill yeah but this is our ballot this isn't that's true yeah macklemore and soho are like flowers also kind of like like a tie france so let me make what are we at like uh we're at 49 so we have the spot open for our guy i'm just trying to see if there's anyone else do the eras did we put him on yeah we we put goody on here okay i didn't just scroll through the pictures real quick you looking at the screen uh i was looking at my own ballot because it's easier than you know i'm not great with faces

so yeah sure uh Yeah, I don't really see anyone here. Rowan Salyos being on here is funny. We should put him on in here for the Sean Barber stair, the dust stair. Look, we got to get going. Yeah. So I think it's just time to start our candidacy or, you know, start a campaign for our number 50 guy. But there are probably, I think, about 10 guys that we could really debate.

like probably five guys who are off the ballot right now and five guys who are on the ballot that we could really have a good debate about and maybe we've re you know we rejoin this discussion later. I don't think there's going to be shortage of opportunities

to need content this winter where we can just be like, hey, let's take we get some of the best battles for the top 50 mariners or whatever. Sure. But I think we need to wrap this. So Ty, who are we stumping for?

for the next three months yeah he is the locked on mariner's candidate of change Fernando rodney top 50 Seattle mariner of all time yes he was only good for a year doesn't matter he is for

it was an amazing year he is Fernando Rodney and he is pitching like 20 minutes away from me and a Canadian baseball league that is filled with like guys who are Toronto police officers Yep

Yes Fernando Rodney is just a legend Okay Yeah Fernando the change up The Arrow The great commercial Where he deflates the bounce house

At the A's man Rodney Like that's our campaign slogan right there Rodney The arrow The arrow is a real dude No, bro, it is. So,

I miss Lomo. I wish Lomo was like involved with the club in some way. I love Lomo. Yeah, Lomo was fun too. Yeah. Maybe we'll do like top 10 like or maybe that's a good, uh, wheel like just the vibeest Mariners like Best Buy Mariners. Lomo had a great,

but horse might be on that list. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He had some anger issues, but he also had some great vibes. I can never remember how many outs there were. by the way Logan Morrison

had one of the most iconic hits in Mariners history that didn't leave anything but he scored Austin Jackson on the double as they were trying to stay alive for game 162 didn't make the list okay seems a little inconsistent here Mariners but you didn't think we would mention Logan Morrison on this episode

did you I always think about Logan Morrison by one fact Logan Morrison one of my mother's all time favorite players me so So, yeah, so the Rodney thing, like, we wanted to come up with one guy who probably wasn't going to get enough love from the general public that we wanted to kind of stump for. Does it make sense relative to some other guys? Like, should Bruce Bakhti be over Fernando Rodney?

Probably. Probably. But whatever. This is our list, not yours. If you want to make your own list, click the link in the description and go vote right now. We're having fun. Just remember, just remember, there are only two mariners. bit in the club's history who have saved

48 or more games and Fernando Rodney is one of them and as we know saves are the most important stat in baseball that's right all right so let's uh let's quickly go over a top 50 so cow rolling dan wilson Edgar Martinez and Nelson Cruz Adrian Beltray Alex Rodriguez

Alvin Davis Brett Boone A Eugenio Suarez Harold Reynolds J.P Crawford John O'Ollarud Kyle Seeger Robinson Canotes high France Franklin Gutierrez Ichiro Suzuki Jay Buneer Julio Rodriguez

King Griffey Jr., Mike Cameron, Mitch Hanager, Phil Bradley Randy Rosa Raina, Randy Winn Raul LaBanias, Andreas Munoz, Arthur Rhodes. Got to scroll a little bit until we find the next guy. Edwin Diaz, Eric Hanson, Felix Hernandez,

Fernando Rodney, Floyd Bannister, Freddie Garcia, George Kirby, Hesachi Iwakuma, J.J. Putz, James Paxson, Jamie Moyer, Jeff Nelson, Kazihiro Sasaki, Logan Gilbert,

Luis Castillo, Marco Gonzalez, Mark Langston, Matt Brash, Mike Moore, Norm Charlton, Paul Seawald, Randy Johnson.

And that's it. So there you have it. The top 50 Mariners of all time, according to us, which means it's the definitive list. Right, Colby? Yes,

there's most definitely no way that anybody can possibly hate on our list or improve on it. There are no holes to be poked here in this list. None. None whatsoever. As we know, the top 50 players of a franchise is set in stone. There is an easy and obvious answer.

And we have cracked it. It's objective. It's totally objective. The perfect ballot right there. Boom. That's right. So tomorrow, there's this Adam Jude article that came out yesterday. So we're going to talk about that tomorrow.

I'm sure you guys are wondering. our thoughts about what he had to say in that article. Some stuff about Michael O'Royo in there. Some stuff about Horei Polanco, some stuff about Cotel Marte and Brennan Donovan and Brana Lowe. So we'll talk about all of that on tomorrow's episode. But that's going to do it for our show. Thank you so much for joining us here on the lockdown Marrars podcast.

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