Locked On Mariners - Daily Podcast On the Seattle Mariners - What Could It Cost If the Mariners Circle Back on Randy Arozarena?

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Starting point is 00:01:36 Yeah. So this trade I specifically picked because we've talked about this idea quite a bit, you know, over the last few weeks, I think mostly on our Patreon show, but I'm sure we've talked about it here as well. We talked about it with Gary Hill a little bit the other day. But we've talked a lot about finding the line between being aggressive and being reckless. This is reckless. Like this, this deal.

Starting point is 00:02:01 is what reckless looks like. You're trading a huge package to, you know, at best, stay where you are at first base. Like, you're not improving. Like, Josh Bell is not an upgrade to Thai France. He's also more expensive and he only has two months of club control left. So it feels like that part of the trade is just you trying to dump Thai France for some reason. Just clear up his when, if you really want to move on from Thai France this winter, just don't tender him. Like, that's what you do.

Starting point is 00:02:31 that's how you get rid of that money. And so the rest of this, like even if it's France for Bell, like those players are roughly the equivalent. They're pretty much the same guy. You could absolutely trade Thai France for Josh Bell right now. Just straight up like one for one because Bell's making more money. France has more club control.

Starting point is 00:02:50 Right. So this deal ultimately feels like I'm because like that's way too much for Tanner Scott alone. So it feels like I'm paying extra for Josh Bell for. some reason. And I can't wrap my head around what that reason is. Yeah. So, and then,

Starting point is 00:03:11 so even if you consider that a fair swap, which I don't, I'd rather have tie for ants. Just better player, you know, more club control and all that. Then you're talking about trading six years of Canzone, top 10ish prospect of Michael Royo,

Starting point is 00:03:25 you know, Jonathan Clase, who's, you know, interesting to say the least. And then Michael Morales, who's actually having a bit of a breakout year this year, you're talking about trading all of that for two months of Tanner Scott. Yeah. That's way too much because honestly, I could probably package Class A and Morales alone and go get Austin Adams, right?

Starting point is 00:03:49 And I don't have to give up six years with Don Canso and I don't have to give up Michael Arroyo. Or maybe I go and I give up Arroyo and Morales and I go get, you know, Michael Copac or whatever, right? Like I can go get somebody who's got a couple years of control instead of just two months. So when we talk about, you know, finding that that fine line between reckless and aggressive, this jumps over that line. This is what reckless looks like. This is pursuing one upgrade at the cost of other parts of your team. Like this is, it's way over the line here. You're paying 250 cents on the dollar in this trade.

Starting point is 00:04:29 So if you just want to give up Closier and. And, you know, Morales for for Tanner Scott, fine, whatever. I mean, I wouldn't, if you gave up Michael Arroyo straight up for for two months of Tanner Scott, wouldn't love it. But I understand the thought process behind it. Right. But you start tacking on all this stuff. It just feels like you're trying to clear 40 man space and you're trying to clear 26 man space. And you're not trying to actually get the most you can out of these players that you're trading.

Starting point is 00:04:58 Ty France doesn't need to be in this deal. Josh Bell doesn't need to be in this deal. Jonathan Claese probably doesn't need to be in the steel Dom Canzon probably doesn't I think just a combination of two of the players you're sending probably gets it done like it has to be a specific combination of two because like it can't be like Claucay and Morales I don't think that's going to get it done for

Starting point is 00:05:18 Tanner Scott but like Arroyo and Claese or Arroyo and Morales or Arroyo in Canzone whatever right like that probably gets it done for Tanner Scott sure i mean like or maybe they maybe the marlins really want tie france and you're like okay well we trust tie locklear enough so we'll give you france and morales and then that kind of evens out like the the salary that you're swath a little bit like that would make more sense but another reason i pick this trade and you know when we do these fan fiction friday's we kind of

Starting point is 00:05:51 it's kind of easy to pick up on trends right we're seeing like you know which teams like or which teams the fan bases are thinking of and and like what players they want to trade and all that stuff one of the things I've noticed in a lot of the trades we got, there's a lot of people just kind of throwing Thai France into trades just to try and get rid of him. And I assume that's because people are really desperate to give Ty Locklear the at bat's at first base, which I don't get. We're not going to get into that too much today. We got a lot of trades to go through.

Starting point is 00:06:22 But like, no, you don't just get rid of an asset just to get rid of them. Like there has to be a reason behind it. And if the reason is you're trying to quit. here some salary like fine but this deal in particular you're taking on you know i i think josh bell's making 16 million dollars this year so you trade for him in july you're still going to owe him sticks like and then tanner scott's making i think like eight or nine so you're still going to owe him you know three like you're taking on nine million dollars and you're only ridding yourself of like two million dollars so it's it's not even like you're saving money with

Starting point is 00:06:56 this trade either this is again aggressive versus reckless went a little too far into the reckless side for this one to be a viable trade. Well, and look, Tanner Scott, he's been a lot better lately. He's still walking a ton of dudes right now. I know he's got the 170RA right now, but he's also walking six, six guys per nine at the moment. Yeah. Like he's not going to, I don't think he's going to realistically cost that much. I just, I can't imagine that.

Starting point is 00:07:23 And if, and if the Marlins are asking for, for something more than, you know, a couple of guys, like I said earlier, I'm out. I'll move on. I'll go look at, you know, Austin Adams or Tanner Banks or whoever, right? Doesn't matter. I'm just, I'm not dipping my toes into that water. I'm going to give that one a 30. Sorry, it's just too much for Tanner Scott and the Josh Bell and tie France inclusions make no sense to me. All right. Next trade here from Doug. Doug has a deal with the White Sox and he's swinging for the fences with this one. Bryce Miller, Jonathan Classe, Harry Ford and Michael Royo for Luis Robert and Garrett Crochet. No, just no. So here's the thing, one of the other things I've noticed, not so much in our fan fiction tweets, but a lot of people are asking like, oh, the Mariners should just go get Garrett Crochet and put him in the rotation.

Starting point is 00:08:20 And I think a lot of people are thinking like, oh, well, if the White Sox want Miller or Wu in their trade for Robert, well, then yeah, just, go get, you know, Fetty or go get crochet. Here's the problem with going and getting crochet. He's going to be in the same boat as Brian Wu. Like, he is about to set a new career high innings pitched. He's not going to be available to go six, seven innings in September and October. Not going to happen. So what you're trading for a guy who is eventually going to be in your bullpen

Starting point is 00:08:51 and you're giving up one of your four, you know, best starting pitchers and arguably like one of your five, you know, most valuable assets in the entire organization. That's where I get hung up here. That's where I get. On top of the prospect package. Yeah, that's where I get hung up here is that it's Miller. If this was Wu, I could wrap my head around this. Because again, they're in similar boats.

Starting point is 00:09:14 He's still going to run into a similar issue of like he's probably going to get shut down or move to the bullpen at some point this season. But at least, at least I don't have two of those guys in my rotation. if I traded Wu in the seal rather than Miller. Right. So I could wrap my head around that a little bit easy. I think the Orioles could do better in a deal like this. And I think this is something the Orioles would be more aggressive on as well because they need the pitching help,

Starting point is 00:09:41 especially with Bradish just now getting Tommy John the other day. They need a guy for next year as well. I don't think the Mariners should be in the market for a crochet Robert deal. Like they do need some pitching help, particularly on the back end. of the rotation with the woo question mark right and that's something that not a lot of people are talking about at the moment but i don't think they need to go that hard after that pitching help right i mean like it's still going to cost a little bit but doesn't somebody doesn't a rental like jack flarity make more sense doesn't like you sick a cooce make more sense uh those are both

Starting point is 00:10:20 guys that might be available chris bassett maybe i think he's a free agent after this year like No, no, he's still got one. He's got one. He might have two, actually. He's making like 20 million a year too, right? So like money wise might be tight there. But even like what about just Eric Fetty? Like crochet his own teammate, like go get Fetty. He will help.

Starting point is 00:10:39 So yeah, I think, you know, throwing crochet in this deal just kills it on arrival because, yeah, like valuation wise, is this about what the White Sox probably hope that they can get? Sure, they probably want a little bit more than this even. But does it make the Mariners any better? not really like yes because you know robert goes into your lineup but you're trading you know a starter who's going to be able to go 170 180 innings for a guy who's maybe got six or seven starts left at most before he's going to the bullpen and now your rotation has brian woo in the four and emerson hancock in the five as you try and you know survive the last two months and you know

Starting point is 00:11:20 you're going to have to shut woo down and oh by the way emerson hancock has his own workload management issues that he's got to work through as well. And oh, by the way, Hancock left his last start with some back tightness, which sounds like nothing major there, but that's something to keep an eye on. You just don't have the pitching depth right now to give up Bryce Miller. You just don't. And trading him to get Garrett Crochet while it sounds good on paper, you're getting a reliever at the end of the day is what you're getting is a reliever. For this year. Right, for this year. And the next year he he's a starter but then he's a free agent right so he's got he's got two he's got two more arbears either way any way you want to slice it you're still giving up too much and you're

Starting point is 00:12:01 you're you're sacrificing a lot of rotation help this year on the assumption that garret crochet is going to be able to throw 180 innings for you this and he's just he's not he's not i don't know if i worded this right so i'll i just want to reiterate real quick you could beat out the orials for a package for crochet and Robert, but should you? That's kind of the thing here, right? And the answer to me is definitively no, because you just, you need starting help, but you don't need starting help on that much of a high end.

Starting point is 00:12:33 Right, and crochet is not even starting help. Right, again, yeah, that's too. But you're, that's what you're paying for. Right, exactly. That's the price you're paying. Yeah. Like, you're not paying reliever prices, right? The White Sox are selling.

Starting point is 00:12:46 selling Garrett Crochet as a starting pitcher. Yep. And as a high end one at that too. Right. Just like they're selling Luis Robert as an MVP candidate center fielder, which we know he's not. So they're not going to give you a discount because it gets hurt a lot. That's not how they're they don't care. That's not how they're going to sell.

Starting point is 00:13:04 These are their two best pieces. So they're going to max out everything. They can on these guys. So I'll give it a 40. Like somewhat creative, but it just I think you're missing the big picture here. Yeah, 3540 for me. All right. We're going to get into more of your trades in just a moment.

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Starting point is 00:14:37 You can catch the M's on the Marlins tonight. And over the course of the weekend on the Marriss hometown broadcast of Sirius XM via the SXM app, all you have to do to find that is search the word Mariners. and this is fan fiction Friday. We are reacting to and grading your Mariners mock trades. And we got one here from friend of the show, Jage, who has been in the news lately for sending a pizza to J.P. Crawford a couple days ago. Jage has been posting these hypothetical trades on Twitter the last couple weeks

Starting point is 00:15:07 and been running a poll. And he's asked me to put one of these up on here. So we're going to do that. So this one that he posted a few days ago, as the mayor is getting Randy a Roserena and Pete Fairbanks from Tampa for Harry Ford, Jeter Martinez, Jonathan Clase, and Jimmy Joyce. Feels a little light but also heavy at the same time. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:15:31 Because I don't know how to value Randy right now because Randy is not having a good year, but Randy has track record and he still has two years left with club control after this year. Plus he's having a monster June. So like is that the turnaround? round is it happening or is it just a hot streak in a down year? Right. Plus, not to mention Randy or Rosarena, dreadful outfielder, worse than Canzone even. So you have to factor that.

Starting point is 00:15:56 And do you want a guy who should really only DH? And I don't know, not really as much of a star as a Rosarena presents himself to be. And largely based on his playoff performance in 2020, he really isn't a star. Like he still 20 bags, he's not going 30 30. He's not playing good defense. you know, there's some swing and miss a little bit in his game. And, you know, he's a flawed player. Like he is not a great player.

Starting point is 00:16:22 Is he a good player? Yeah, I think it's safe to say he's a good player. Is he like an all-star caliber middle of the order bat? No, I don't think he qualifies as that. Like, he's probably like in a great lineup. He probably should hit like sixth, maybe fifth. It's really tough to kind of value a Rosarena. And I feel like if I give up Harry Ford, there's a good chance I gave up Harry Ford for a mediocre, like, fourth outfielder because that's what he's been this year.

Starting point is 00:16:52 And if I'm giving up for it, I want somebody I feel really confident is going to help me this year. I don't know if I'm there yet with Randy, because getting a guy who can help me this year is a big part of why I'm trading for you. It's not just about the two years of club control. This year matters a lot for me too. So it's a very tough deal. You know, Pete Fairbanks, he's been pretty bad. this year, you know, up and down this year. But obviously he has the potential to help you massively in your bullpen.

Starting point is 00:17:19 So he's a good addition here. And I do think that, you know, if the Mariners and Rays make a deal, I'd be pretty shocked if, you know, Seattle didn't extract some reliever out of the raise in that deal. So because of like my hesitancy on how to feel about a Rosarina and all that stuff, I feel like the return here is about right. I feel like it gets the race to the table. And I feel like this is a deal that I could actually see them do.

Starting point is 00:17:50 My guess is that they would want. They'd be like, hey, how about you give us Harry Ford and Michael Arroyo instead of Jeter Martinez or whatever? Or give us Harry Ford in Tai Pete instead of Jeter Martinez or whatever. You know, Randy is one of those guys that makes me a little bit uncomfortable to acquire. but if you hit, like if he's the guy and, you know, he actually hits the rest of the year, he can certainly, you know, change the outlook of this lineup. So it might be a risk worth taking. I think the counter argument here on Randy is, you know, if he's starting to figure it out because of the track record,

Starting point is 00:18:24 don't you kind of trust that, hey, the first couple months of the season were just kind of an anomaly. He's now, he's back, right? I guess, but back to what, a 120 WRC plus guy? Like that's. Which is really helpful. it's helpful but it's not like this lineup right but it's not like elite it's not like oh my god they just added you know like randy at rosanerana makes them world series favorites no i mean and again to be fair you're not paying that package because you're only giving up one of your top you know three or

Starting point is 00:18:56 four prospects to get them which is fine like i think the price is fine uh fairbanks is really the x factor here for me uh you know it hasn't been great this year has been great Walks are a little bit high, but not terrible for a reliever. Certainly. We know the mayor should want to take more risk in the bullpen with guys like that. So yeah. He's also recently heard his pitching hand. So how does that affect the long term?

Starting point is 00:19:22 And then in his next out and after he heard his hand, he gave up a three run homer, uh, nearly blew the game. So yeah, uh, there, there's a lot to consider here.

Starting point is 00:19:31 But, uh, I think it's a solid 50. I think it's a good starting point. And I think the package is, uh, reasonable. I mean, I'd be thrilled if you can get them for not Harry Ford. Like if they're willing to take like some bulk here, which they do sometimes.

Starting point is 00:19:49 The rays do sometimes take bulk. Yeah. If I could trade them a package where like Tai Pete is the leading piece, I'd feel pretty good about that. And we know that the raise really like Tai Pete. Right. Like I'd give them Tai Pete and Aidan Smith and Jeter Martinez and Don, I'm Canzone. Like, sure. And by the way, I do think Canzone is a guy who, uh, the race would have theoretical interest in whether or not they like Canzone specifically.

Starting point is 00:20:17 I don't know. But that type of player that young major leaguer, I do feel like that is, uh, something that would be appealing to the rays who, you know, they're, they're, Randy or Rosarano will not be a Tampa Bay Ray next year. Like that's, it's just a matter whether or not they trade them at the deadline or they trade them in the winter. Uh, but I'd be shocked if a Rosarino was a ray next year. So definitely a name to watch.

Starting point is 00:20:40 All right, Chris has a trade with the Angels. This would be the first trade between the Marrers and the Angels since Jerry DePoto took over as GM and now eventually president of baseball operations. It's a one for one. It's Reed Detmer's for Ryan Bliss. Now, we know that the mayor has had some interest in Reed Detmer's, his draft year. They didn't go that direction, however. They ended up taking Emerson Hancock, of course. But yeah, what do you think about Detmer's who I think wasn't he recently sent down to AAA?

Starting point is 00:21:11 Yeah, after the Mariners destroyed him. Yeah. So this is just to add some pitching depth. You trade from your middle infield depth. Thoughts? I don't think the rays or sorry, I don't think the angels are going to give up on Reed Detmer's for Ryan Bliss. I don't think that's the type of prospect where they'll look, they'll be like, well, We know he was really pretty good in 2022 and pretty solid in 2023.

Starting point is 00:21:41 Like not great, but pretty solid. And we had thought that maybe there was a chance he was going to elevate and take the next step this year. And he just really hasn't. I don't see them giving up on him that early, particularly to Seattle and particularly for Ryan Bliss. I don't think that this is a realistic trade because I like if you're going to give up on Reed Detmer's and you're the Angels, you're probably not going to do it for a guy who's got like 20 plate appearances at the big league level. Like, I mean, I don't know. Would they be interested in like Dom Canzone for Red Demers even then?

Starting point is 00:22:16 Probably not because Canzone's a corner outfield guy. Detmer's has four years of club control after this year. But I think they'd be more interested in like Canzone than they would be in Bliss. So it's a little tough to say. My guess, my guess is if you want Redetmers right now, I mean, and you're, looking to trade like from your 40 man like you're not looking to trade a top prospect they're probably going to be like give us luke grayly and to me i'm out on that so yeah i'm good yeah if they want can's own or bliss like if i can get this deal sure i do that because i i appreciate

Starting point is 00:22:53 having the lefty and the extra depth and demers you know is to me i know he's been bad this year to me he's at least a number four like a number four number five type at the very least and and that's valuable and like I said, he's got four years of clock control left. So blah, blah, blah, blah. I don't think that they would do it for Bliss. I would like it if they did. I'd like it if they would do it for Canzone. But I just, I don't see the angels giving up on Ryan Bliss this early.

Starting point is 00:23:16 And I don't see them doing it particularly to send him to the Seattle Mariners. Yeah. You mean read Dettmers give up on Reed Dettmers. It's not Ryan Bliss. Oh, yeah. Well, sure. I don't think they're going to give up on Ryan. I don't think they're going to give up on Dettmers to get Ryan Bliss.

Starting point is 00:23:33 Yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah, I agree with you on that. I'm going to go 40 on that. I go 45. It's creative. Yeah, it's interesting. It's something we haven't talked about. Yeah, for sure, for sure.

Starting point is 00:23:49 I just, the other thing, too, is like, the angels aren't going to trade with Jerry. All right. We are going to get into a couple more of your trades here in just a moment. But first, reminder of this episode of the Lockdown Errors podcast is once again brought to you by Tax Network USA. Here on Lockdown, Mariner's, we pride ourselves on getting you the latest news for your team, whether it's the off season, the draft, spring training, or the playoffs.

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Starting point is 00:25:15 Marriors podcast. Once again, you can catch the M's of the Marlins this weekend on the Marriss hometown broadcast. Sirius XM via the SXM app. All you have to do to find that is search the word mariners. Let's get into your last couple trades here on fan fiction Friday. Got this one from Kachakaku. It's the Mariners and the Red Sox, Rob Reff Snyder and Chris Martin to see.

Starting point is 00:25:36 Seattle for Thai France, Michael Morales. I look at this and I say this is a trade specifically made to get Thai France off of your roster. And I say why. Ruff Snyder is basically Dylan Moore. Dillmore is a little bit better of an athlete, more power, better base runner. Ruff Snyder is a little bit more contact and a little bit more average. So whatever.

Starting point is 00:26:02 Do I need another Dillamore on the roster? Not the worst thing in the world, but I don't need it. at the expense of my everyday first baseman. So yeah, to me, this looks like a trade specifically so that you can justify Tyler Locklear being your first baseman for the rest of the year, which, again, I don't get. It's not like Chris Martin wouldn't help. You know, he was great last year. This year he's been pretty mid.

Starting point is 00:26:24 And he's a rental and he's making a little bit of money. Like he is not going to be cheap monetarily either. So him in France, they probably roughly, you know, cancel each other out. but refsnyder by the way is also making a couple million bucks this year so to me like martin for france fine you're giving up an extra year of france for martin uh you know to to try and help you this year even though he hasn't been great this year himself uh and then if it's morale is for ref snider like that's fine like that's a utility option for a guy who's you know probably the ceiling of a number five starter who's still three years away despite being what four years into his

Starting point is 00:27:03 professional career, three years in his professional career. So individually, the pieces are fine, but like I look at the roster overall. And I kind of go like, what's the point? Because now I have this huge question mark at first base for, you know, the addition of. No, you don't. You have Tyler Lockley or Colby. Like I said, you have a huge hole at first base. And, you know, your upgrade to the bullpen may or may not be much of an upgrade.

Starting point is 00:27:31 There's a chance that you just added Ryan Stanik. year at bullpen again. And it's like, cool. Like, I'm not saying that's a bad thing, but at the expense of your first baseman. Yeah,

Starting point is 00:27:44 I'm out. I'm out on this. It just, it doesn't make, like, again, the valuation, I can see how you reach that conclusion.

Starting point is 00:27:53 Like Martin for France seems fair. Ruff Snyder or bench player for a Morales and semi interesting arm. He's having a good year this year finally. Sure. And Ruff Snyder does have a team option. for next year. So there is some club control involved. Okay.

Starting point is 00:28:06 I get it. But I know why you've made this, why you proposed this trade. And it's specifically just to get rid of Thai France. And to me, like, I think I can go get Chris Martin and keep Thai France. And I still at this point trust Thai France much more than I do Tyler

Starting point is 00:28:24 Locklear. So I just, I like, why would I run the risk of having a rookie as my only first base option. I mean, I guess you could say like, well, Luke Rayleigh could play first and Ruff Snyder could play in the outfield. It's like, okay, cool. But now you have Dylan Moore and Ruff Snyder basically playing every day and neither of those guys should be playing every day. So I don't, I don't like the strain it puts on your roster overall. I don't

Starting point is 00:28:51 think you get better enough, if that makes sense, to justify, you know, making this deal. But it is, it is interesting. Like, it is, like, creative and it's out there a little bit. So I'll still go like a 45 or 50 because again, like I think the valuation roughly in the ballpark doesn't make a ton of sense for the Mariners. I'd say no. So I'll probably go 45. Yeah, I'll go 45 as well. Because I agree with you on like the valuation. I can see how you came to this conclusion.

Starting point is 00:29:19 I don't like it though. Like I wouldn't do this. So to me like if I give you a 50 or 55 or whatever that's saying like I like the trade. I don't like the trade. Like I would do that. Like if that happened, I'd be like, okay. And by the way, not for nothing, why would the white or why would the red Sox want tie France? I have Tristan Kossis.

Starting point is 00:29:40 Yeah. Yeah. And they have Yoshita who can only de age for them. Last trade from Quinn. Ryan McMahon to the mayor is for Harry Ford, Michael Morales, and Louis Swee Spel. So we not only got a trade with the Angels on the show. We also got one with the Rockies, who is the other team Jerry Napoto has yet to make a trade with the Mariners. perhaps. I'm so far out on this deal.

Starting point is 00:30:06 Really? I don't like Ryan McMahon. I think the bearers like Brian McMahon. I think they probably would too. Here's the thing. The dude's 29 years old. He's about to finish, I believe, his fifth full season, or he will finish his fifth full season. He has never been a league average bat. This year he's running a 118 WRC plus. I think a couple of weeks ago, it was like 130. So we're already starting to see the decline a little bit. He strikes out a ton for a player with his profile. And, you know, so what you're getting is like great third base defense. I feel like I'm literally describing Josh Rojas right now.

Starting point is 00:30:41 Like, why would I give up? But yeah. A lip, maybe. Is that going to translate? I don't know. Maybe lefty pop traditionally translates better to Team Mobile Park than right hand of pop. Sure.

Starting point is 00:30:54 And he walks, like you've got to run a 10% walk rate, but he's striking out 28% of the time this year. last year was 31.6, by the way. His career high in WRC Plus is 95. Yeah. Over a full season. He's never been a three-win player. He's 29 years old.

Starting point is 00:31:13 Like, if it's not going to happen, if it hasn't happened yet, is it going to? Maybe. Now, he is cost-controlled. He's under club control through the 2027 season. But there are conditional opt-outs after 25 and 26. Not quite sure what those are.

Starting point is 00:31:29 But it's not like he's cost control at a like he's average his a avie is around 11 million dollars a year 12 million a year yeah and now i have to go up harry ford to get this guy who might not be better than josh rojas i'm out like i'm out like i yeah i don't want to i don't want a more expensive josh rohas at the expense of harry for it yeah there's so many question marks with brian mcman i think the i think the bear is like it i've said this for for multiple years now actually because we've talked about him even dating back to shoot i think 2021 we had conversations about Ryan McMahon.

Starting point is 00:32:03 I just, for this package, no. There's just too many, too many red flags, too many question marks for me to go, yeah, you can have Harry Ford plus for him. No. To me, Ryan McMahon is like the ideal guy to go give up like Tai Pete or Aden Smith. Like you go give up somebody who's like three, four years away from the big leagues and if they turn into a star, fine, whatever. But like, I'm not giving up a guy who's like right on the cusp of the big leagues who has, you know, everyday player upside.

Starting point is 00:32:38 Yeah. For an expensive below league average bat, slight defensive upgrade at third base. Like, I'm not doing that. I'm not doing that. So, yeah, I'm so far out on just McMahon in general. Like, again, if they're giving up like, if they're going to up bulk and it's like Jeter Martinez and Michael Oroyo and, you know, Jonathan Claese and, you know, whatever, uh,

Starting point is 00:33:03 IP, whatever. Like if they're giving that up, fine, whatever, give up bulk, go get Ryan McMahon. If I'm giving up any,

Starting point is 00:33:09 any potential impact for the 24, 25, or 26 season, I'm probably out. I just, I don't like Ryan McMahon that much. Uh, I just don't think that,

Starting point is 00:33:19 I think he is a name that is, you know, well, he's a guy who's more name than he is actually good player. And so maybe he gets out of, maybe he gets out of course. and he actually translates to Safeco beautifully. Maybe the Mariners know exactly what they want him to do

Starting point is 00:33:36 and how they're going to fix him and all that stuff. So again, trust the Mariners a little bit, but if they're giving up one of their top five or six prospects to get this guy, I'm so out, because that's just too big of a risk for me to take. Okay, great. 35. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:33:54 35, 40 for me. Yeah, probably 35. Yeah, I think I'm going to land there right with you. All right. for your trade proposals this week. We'll be doing this again next week, so be on the lookout for the tweet so you can submit your proposals there.

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