Locked On Mariners - Daily Podcast On the Seattle Mariners - What If... the Mariners Didn't Trade Kendall Graveman?

Episode Date: October 13, 2021

Hosts Ty Dane Gonzalez and Colby Patnode look back on the Kendall Graveman trade and discuss what would have happened had the Mariners not made that deal. Then, they look at Abraham Toro's future in Seattle and tell you why Kyle Seager had a selfish season in 2021.Be sure to follow or subscribe to Locked On Mariners wherever you prefer your podcasts! For questions and other inquiries, email: [e-mail] the show on Twitter: @LO_Mariners | @danegnzlz | @CPat11For more of Ty and Colby, check out their Patreon: patreon.com/controlthezone/Built BarBuilt Bar is a protein bar that tastes like a candy bar. Go to builtbar.com and use promo code “LOCKED15,” and you’ll get 15% off your next order. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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New episode coming out for all of our patrons later today. Visit patreon.com forward slash control the zone for more information on that. On today's episode of Lockdown Mariners, it is What If Wednesday. Yes, we're continuing with the theme days. And today we have a very interesting what if to debate on today's show. What if the Mariners didn't trade Kendall Graveman back in July?

And then we're going to talk about the reality of it all and how we feel about Abraham Toro. Then we're going to wrap things up by discussing the fallout of the Kendall Graveman trade. So if you like what you hear, give the show a follow. or subscribe wherever you're listening to this. We'd greatly appreciate it. So, Colby, what if the Mariners didn't trade Kendall Graemean and didn't get Abraham Toro? I think the most likely outcome,

honestly, is that they don't win 90 games. And that's not to say that Toro was, you know, otherworldly. He was pretty good for August, and then he was really bad in, And, you know, he was really bad in September and October. But that's not all that surprising. But I don't think they win 90 games because I don't believe that they,

I don't believe that you could be a 90-win team and run out Dylan Moore for the next, you know, 70 games or so. Does that make sense? Like, think about not, not think about what Abraham Toro, even the bad. version of Abraham Toro. Think about what he gave you, even in just the month of August. You went from your second base position being, you know, one of the worst offensive positions in all of baseball to in August being one of the best. Abraham Toro was really good in August and it really helped you. It also allowed you to use more in a way that is more conducive to his skill set.

He got to play more outfield, which helped your outfield defense, which was terrible. And you really didn't miss Graven out of the bullpen all that much. I know it's easy. for people to point at, you know, the couple blown saves here and there and, you know, the couple times the bullpen didn't get the job done. But it's worth noting that there's no guarantee that Graveman would have gotten that job done. And in fact, Graveman helped the Mariners win two games against the Astros after he was traded. He served up the Grand Slam to Abraham Toro. He also gave up a run to Jake Freely or sorry, to Jake Bowers and J.P. Crawford that made a game two to one.

And of course, in the next inning, France tied it with a home run. that doesn't matter if Graveman doesn't give up the run with two outs on a double to, on back-to-back doubles by Jake Bowers and J.P. Crawford. So ultimately, I don't think the trade hurt them at all. I think it helped them. So by that simple logic, I don't think the Mariners win 90 games if they have Kendall Graveman and not Abraham Toro and Joe Smith. So what do you think they would have done had they not gotten Toro?

in the infield. Do you think they would have stood Pat or, you know, because we know that the Royals were just asking an astronomical return for what Merrifield and he didn't end up getting dealt. Obviously, Adam Frazier had already been traded at that point to the Padres. So like, where would the Mariners have turned to at that point?

Because they, they hadn't really made any deals up to that day. The Diego Castillo trade didn't happen. The Tyler Anderson trade hadn't happened yet. So what do you think would have happened there? Because they needed a bat. Jerry DePoto was very open about wanting to get that bat. It ended up being Toro surprisingly.

And they probably should have added another bat. But where else could they have turned at that point? Yeah, it's it's tough to really know because, again, we did hear them linked to Whitmerfield. But they were asking for Kelnick, Julio, Kirby. like that's that's a ridiculous asking price um and honestly there weren't a lot of outfield or infielders that were available i i don't think they i don't think they turned to hobby bias i mean it cost the met's petero armstrong to get bias and so you know from seattle standpoint it's do you want to trade you know zack deloche for you know two months of hobby bias probably not uh they didn't

spend big on any rentals at the deadline. It doesn't sound like that was something they wanted to do. And you can understand why. So I don't know exactly where they go with the infield. I'm sure they would have found something. But it couldn't have even been Jonathan's scope because the Tigers didn't want to trade scope. So he wasn't even an option. And then Scope eventually signs the extension.

So yeah, it's tough to say where they would have gone for help. They desperately needed a second basement. And Frazier was off the market at this point. We know the Mariners were interested and they were in on those talks. for Fraser. You know, we know they had talks with Merrifield. That didn't go anywhere. We know that, you know, they were looking at scope, but scope in Detroit were working out

in extension. We just didn't know that at the time. So, yeah, it's hard to say where they would have gone, but it probably wouldn't have been all that good. Maybe they pivot to Josh Harrison. Maybe. Yeah. But again, that's a rental.

You know, they, they didn't seem all that interested in giving up top prospects for rentals. you know, they gave up Carter Benz Thank you. I wanted to say Carter Caps. They gave up Carter Benz for Tyler Anderson. But Benz is a guy who's probably a career backup catcher,

which is good. I mean, that's a valuable piece, but it's pretty replaceable. And, you know, they needed Anderson to stabilize that rotation. They had to have a number five starter. So, yeah,

it's tough to say where they would have gone with that. My guess is they would have pivoted to probably somebody like Josh Harrison, but you can understand why it was just better for them to go get Toro. Yeah. And now they have Toro for the next three seasons and, or four seasons. And that worked out pretty well for them. And of course, that brought the, my favorite moment of the entire year, the Grand Slam off of Kendall Graven, of course.

Yeah, it's just, it's, what do you think would have happened with the clubhouse, though? do you think that they would have gone on that slump for the next week? Yes. After the trade happened? Yes, I do. Yeah, you don't, yeah, I don't, I don't put a ton of stock into the clubhouse, the cult, the team chemistry thing either. That's silly. The team was able to recover.

They had great moments down the stretch. They all came together just fine. They were playing the Astros who are very good, especially as we're seeing in the, uh, in the, uh, in playoffs right now. They are a very good baseball team, not just against the Mariners, way better than the Mariners. And then, you know, they went down to

Texas and had some bad luck. Yeah. Now, do you think that they would have traded for Diego Castillo still? Yes. I do. I think that because Castillo is not a short-term fix, he wasn't, I don't think Castillo

was specifically acquired to help them make the playoffs this year. Now, he certainly did. I mean, that that was one of the, you know, I don't want to call it an unintended consequence because that was part of it. But Castillo was acquired this year so that the team can go into the offseason and say, we're pretty good at with our bullpen. Like, we don't need to add significantly to it.

I mean, obviously they're going to add around the fringes and things like that. But hey, you know what? It kind of goes in with the to hold the poto thing of like, let's build our 2022 bullpen. Let's build it last winter and this spring. or this spring and summer. That's basically what he did. And Castillo was kind of the finishing piece on what should be a pretty good bullpen next year.

So I still think, yes, they were interested in Castillo. You know, was there maybe a little more urgency to get it done after the Graveman thing? Sure. But, you know, overall,

because Castio is so controllable and because he's basically better than Kendall Graveman, I think that was something they were interested in all along. So real quick, before we hop on over, Do you think the Mariners are interested in bringing Kendall Graveman back this offseason?

No, not at the cost. He's probably going to get a couple of years. He's probably going to get, you know, $7 to $10 million. Seattle's not going to do that. Nope. You know what they're going to do? They're going to go find the next Kendall Graveman because that's what they're good at. So before we, you know, it's worth noting that one of the things that the people who were, you know, anti-graveman trade,

they keep pointing out that the Mariners were one game back of the playoffs when they traded Graveman and they just fell apart and then they were four games back and it's like, well, where did the Mariners finish? Which, by the way, is a BS argument. But where did the Mariners finish? At the end of the year, where were they? One game back. By the way, not for nothing. But on the day of the Graveman trade, they were six games back of the Astros.

At the end of the year, they were five games back of the Astros. And not for nothing, but prior to the Graveman trade, the Mariners had a 545 winning percentage after the Graveman trade. So from the day of the Graveman trade to the end of the year, they had a 634 winning percentage. So take your weak arguments and put them somewhere else because I'm not here to listen to them. The Mariners absolutely did well in that trade. And by the way, so did the Astros. It's going to be a win-win deal for both sides. And that's perfect because that's how it's supposed to work.

Yep. So we're going to talk about what the Mariners got in return, the big piece that they got in return, Abraham Toro and how we feel he kind of fits into all of this heading into next year in just a moment. But real quick, a reminder of this episode of Lockdown Mariners is brought to you by Spotify Green Room. Green Room is the first social audio platform made for sports fans. The app is free to download. And once you're in, you can talk with us, other fans, athletes, and insiders and real time about your favorite team or sport. Colby and I will be hosting a room once per week so you can finally join in on the conversation you listen to here every day on Locked on Mariners. And Green Room is also the perfect place to start or join conversations about Major League Baseball as a whole and so much more as well.

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Toro moving forward. The guy obviously slumped a little bit towards the end of the season here, but when he first arrived in Seattle, which, I mean, he just walked across from dugout to dugout. But when he got into that clubhouse, I mean, he really, you know, added a strong presence in that lineup that they were just simply lacking. Obviously, this was still a bad offense moving forward. But I mean, without him, I mean, it could have been a lot, a lot worse. and he was able to get on base quite a lot. He was able to provide some power. And he played a decent second base. Obviously, he had some struggles turning the double plays a little slow on that. But obviously a very athletic guy. How do you feel he fits into this? Do you see him as a starter going into next year?

Or would you like him to be more of your super utility who is still basically a starter without having a position to call home? Yeah, I like him more. And it's funny because, you know, the player I'm about to comp him to is one that was, you know, an astro. And he made his bones with the Houston Astros. And I think Abraham Toro is a really good fit for that Marwin Gonzalez type of role where, you know, he's, he's probably not going to play, you know, 100 games at any one position. But at the end of the year, you look up, he's going to have 450 to 600 plate appearances. is he's going to have having played in 130 games,

and it's going to be, you know, 60 games at second, 50 at third, 10 in left field, a couple of first, a couple of DH. And he's just going to fill that role because what Toro is, and I feel very confident about this, Toro is at least a league average bat. He is at least a 100 WRC plus guy. He's got some pop. He's got some speed.

He's a good athlete. He did get significantly better at second base. you know, basically having never played there before he became a mariner, he did steadily get better and better. And while he's still below average, I think with an entire offseason and Perry Hill in spring training and all this stuff, I think Toro gets to at least average at second. We know he's at least average at third base,

maybe a little bit better. So, yeah, I think Toro is at the very least a league average bat who still has some power that he hasn't tapped into, is an above average athlete with some base running skill. who can play at least second and third. And if you can play second and third, you can also play first. And I think he's a good enough athlete to pick up the outfield

and at least not kill you out there, you know, 15 to 20 times a year. So I like Toro as that Marwin Gonzalez type. So he's not a starter in that you don't know where he's going to play every single day. But you feel like he's going to be in the lineup every day. And there's a non-zero chance that he is the guy we saw for about 70 games between June 17th when he was recalled from AAA for the last time

until about September 10th until the Houston series ended. In that 69 games, Toro and 282 plate appearances, pretty big sample size at this point. He hit 280, 355, 444 with 10 home runs and 11 doubles. It's a pretty good player. Yeah. He finished the year with 1.7 B-Wore, despite the bad defense and despite the,

awful final about month or so of the season. And that's in only 355 plate appearances. I think Abraham Toro is Marwin Gonzalez. I think he's going to be, you know, the Mariners, Kiki Hernandez or Marwin Gonzalez. I think he's that good. You know, can he play up the middle at second base or, sorry, at shortstop or center field? Probably not, but he doesn't have to.

You have other guys who can do that. So I think he's perfect in that. it's kind of it's i mean like technically you would call it a bench roll but he's an everyday player who just plays a different position every day he he showed me enough this year that hey if he if he's starting and he's one of my you know he's not like one of my four best hitters but he's in that top six seven range then yeah that's great you know you need to get better obviously you need to raise that bar you need to raise your floor and you're sealing this off season and um yeah if abraham Toro is starting, but he's hitting like six or seven in your lineup.

And you can put a mire if you, if you wanted to. I wouldn't have any real qualms about that depending on who you add. But yeah, if he's not like one of the three guys that you're solely dependent on, then great. He can start wherever you want him to start. I don't really care. Just you can make that work. He's a good baseball player that, again, even if he's in that super utility role, he's probably playing every day anyway.

But if you have him stick at one spot, whether that's at second, probably would be better for him to be at third, honestly, and you can make up for some of the lack of power that he has at second if you say, you know, sign Marcus Simeon, who hit for a career high in home runs this year. Right? So you can make up for that lack of power,

which, and again, he doesn't wholly lack power either. I mean, he's going to hit 10 to 15 home runs next year. but you can make that work from a roster construction standpoint. That's not going to be a problem whatsoever. So you can absolutely rock with Abraham Toro. I'm sure he'll also be mentioned here in some trade talks. I doubt that they'll trade him. But I'm sure that's probably going to be a guy that some teams ask about when they

undoubtedly go after some of these bigger names in the trade market, whether that's a Jose Ramirez or someone like that. I'm sure a team like Cleveland would be interested. and Toro. And obviously we heard when they acquired Toro that he's kind of the darling of analytics folks in the game. That he's

kind of on everyone's, on every baseball nerds dream team basically. So, you know, there's definitely going to be interest in him, but I would be fairly surprised to not see him in a mirror his uniform on opening day. And if he's there

and he's starting at third base, second base, whatever, again, you can make that totally totally work. So we're going to talk about the fallout of the Graven trade because obviously it was not just folks on the outside, you know, kind of losing it about the trade. Oh, you traded your clothes here. You blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. All that good stuff.

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there was a article that came out from Ryan Divish of the Seattle Times, which described the overall atmosphere in the clubhouse and the attitude coming from some of the Mariners players in regards to, you know, the trade and how they felt about the trade. Obviously, Kendall Graemean was a respected member of that clubhouse, one a lot of guys were very close to. He had been there for a while. and you know it rubbed some guys the wrong way,

especially Kyle Seeger who went to Divish in that moment and talked about how Jerry DePoto's just up in the front office playing fantasy baseball. And, you know, it just kind of set the tone for how, you know, the last few weeks have gone between Seeger and DePoto, where Seeger has said that he hasn't spoken to DePoto in years. then Depoto comes back and says, well, you know, I talked to him this spring and I talked to his agent and all these things. And it's a lot of he said, she said, with this situation. But of course, you know, the Kyle Seeger thing has kind of ended on a sour note. They tried to, you know, push that under the rug a little bit by giving him a really good send off. And that was great. And ultimately, that's what we should be focusing on here. But it definitely. It definitely. It definitely. did not end and the way that we would all hope. And it feels like the Graveman trade was kind of the straw that broke the Campbell's back for Seeger and letting his feelings out about how he feels about the team. So Colby, you know, how do you feel about this whole situation with the team chemistry thing that blew up and all that? And then how Seeger and some of the other players reacted to the Graveman trade. Yeah, you know, it's, you talk.

talked about this a few times. It's, uh, it's disappointing that, uh, Kyle Seeger, uh, you know, after years of doing things the right way, he, he finally cracked and he, uh, he went after Jerry in a way that, uh, you know, particularly the, the, I haven't talked to him in years thing. I think that's a lie. And obviously I don't know. I, I don't, you know, we're not involved to those conversations, but when Jerry says I talk to him in spring training, I think that's probably accurate. I think it probably is. And, you know, I'm not saying they had heart to hearts and they sat down for hours and all that stuff.

But I kind of don't believe what Seeger is saying. And also I think Seeger is using Jerry as an excuse to be mad at, you know, basically management of the Seattle Mariners, which I understand. I do. I mean, you know, Depoto's boss called him, you know, overpaid and overrated,

you know, to the Bellevue Rotary Club. And they never were able to crack the playoffs in his, you know, 11 years was Seattle. And he watched, you know, he watched Felix Hernandez not make the playoffs.

And now they've traded his buddy. And so, like, I can certainly understand why Kyle was, was upset. And it's not hard to see how or why he would, he would try. to not protect himself, but try and make himself look like a victim as much as he possibly can.

Like, oh, they didn't treat me right, even though they paid him $100 million. And oh, they did me wrong by trading my best friend with the assumption that Kyle Seeger somehow deserves veto power over trades. And you take a shot at Jerry Depoto, who is your boss? and, you know, and ultimately none of that's going to matter because Seattle had decided before the season started that they were not going to pick up Kyle Seeger's option. But unfortunately, I think, you know, Mariner fans in general, they're not ready for this conversation to be had that Kyle Seeger this year had a very selfish year. And I'll tell you what I mean by that because I think a lot of people are already yelling and not happy. But when you look at what Kyle Seeger decided this year, he very clearly decided that I am going to get mine and I'm going to hit home runs and get RBI because that is the way I think I'm going to get my last big contract. He made that decision.

It's clear as day. You look at the numbers. He swung and missed out of the zone a lot more. He struck out a lot more. He walked a lot less. And while it's easy for us. to sit here and say, well, he lost bat speed, so he was compensating. And he might have.

I don't know. Like, I don't have bat speed analytics handy. And maybe he did lose bat speed, so he's trying to compensate. But what I do not believe is that Kyle Seeger rolled into 2021 with a significantly slower bat than he rolled into 2020 with. And in 2020, he put up a 355 on base, which dropped 70 points. in one season, that's by design. That is 100% factually by design.

Nobody's bat drops off that severely. And by the way, the home runs didn't really help that much because the slugging percentage only went up five points. Statistically speaking, there is no difference between the slugging performance Seeger put up in 2020 as he did in 2021. There's just not any difference. He was 20% worse with the plate.

I just want to clarify what you're saying, by the way, just for folks that might be listening, that might be a little confused. What you're saying is that Kyle Seeger isn't, it didn't suck on purpose. He was selling out for power, for numbers, for numbers that are going to look good

in free agency discussions. Yes. And again, and does, did Kyle do this because he thought it would also help his team win? I think so, but it's really tough for me to look at these numbers and look at the drop.

His strikeout percentage went up for, 13.3% to 24%, which is by far a career high for him. What does that mean? It means he was chasing more pitches. The numbers bear this out. He was swinging and missing more.

Why? Because he was trying to hit home runs. He wasn't going to be satisfied hitting 25 to 30. He wanted the 35. He wanted to push 40. Why? So that he could get paid this winter because he knew Seattle wasn't going to be the team that paid him. And now you stack on top of that.

the Mather comments and you stack on top of that, you know, just the general disgruntlement that Seeger clearly has had built up against the Mariners for the last few years. And it's the perfect storm for Seeger to go out and decide that he was going to get his, regardless of what the team wanted. And he was going to go out and he was going to do whatever it took to hit more home runs because he thought that was going to get him paid. And the sad thing about all of this is, is that you know, Kyle Seeger actually made Kevin Mather look more. honest when he said that Seeger was overpaid because what Kyle Seeger gave you this year was not worth $20 million. Wasn't.

Not even close. I mean, yes, at the end of the year he had a 2.5 war. That's worth about $20 million. So you want to use that metric, fine. But he dropped off 70 points in on-base percentage.

He dropped 20 points in WRC plus. He dropped 29 points in batting average. Why? So that he could have five extra points of, slugging percentage, he hurt his team. So when Kyle Seeger goes out there and says, hey, you know what? Nobody gave us a chance. It's really hard for me not to roll my eyes and say, neither did you, Kyle, because the version of you that you were last year would have helped this team more than the version you decided to use this year. You made the conscious choice that I'm going to get mine. I'm going to

go ahead and hit for more power. I'm going to get paid. And you looked out for yourself, which is perfectly fine. I'm not even, I'm not even blaming you for that. You know, this is your career. It's your life. You have to do what works for you. And the Mariners, they don't really deserve that much sympathy. I understand that part. But the simple fact of the matter is is that Kyle Seeger made a decision to not be the best version of himself this year so that he can get paid. So when Seeger goes out there and says, oh, nobody in the media gave us a chance. Yeah, Kyle, you didn't think you were going to do this either because if you did, you probably wouldn't have gone with this all or nothing approach and you probably would have been more valuable to the team than you are right now.

So Seeger had an incredibly selfish year. It's why I think it's time to move on. He did not do what was best for the team. And I completely understand why he didn't. But the facts are pretty obvious and clear. Kyle Seeger knew he was heading out of town after this year. And so he set himself up to try and get the biggest contract he possibly could, made it a career decision based on himself and his family, which is totally fine.

I respect it, but it doesn't change the fact that Kyle Seeger this year was not as good as he could have been, and that hurt the Seattle Mariners. Well, Twitter might be pretty interesting after those statements that you made. That should be fun. But it's, you know, I got to be honest here before we hop off and we're running out of time here. So I just want to make this quick. But Kyle Seeger rubbed me the wrong way this year as well. for some of the things that I heard about from behind the scenes that I don't care to get into right now. But we've talked about that on previous shows.

And for what you talked about with selling out for power with openly challenging Jerry Depoto, which I know, I know that Kyle Seeger has the seniority. He's been here longer than DePoto. all that stuff he's the leader of the team at that point or one of them at least the face of it i guess uh but he um i just i didn't think that was right uh to do what he did and to do it anonymously um it just it seemed silly and yeah yeah it was it was cowardly it just didn't seem like him really uh it just didn't seem like howl seager in general uh And look, I get it. You know, Kevin Mather came out and said those things about him and, you know, Mather's obviously gone now, though. And I just, I don't, you know, and we don't know everything that goes on behind the scenes. Of course, we hear things from people that we know sometimes, but we don't get the full picture. Obviously, you know, we get rumblings. And, and it's hard to construct everything based on that. But it's, it just didn't seem like there needed to be this huge rift between Kyle Seeger and Jerry Depoto. And, you know, look, I know a lot of people look at Topoto as kind of this huge car salesman, right?

You know, with with the things that he says and the PR stuff that he, he does. But I believe him when he says that he has had discussions with Kyle Seeger, because what is he, what does he gain from lying about that? Really? I just, I believe that he's at least had some discussions. I don't know, you know, if they've been, you know, deep discussions. but I'm sure that they've at least said hi to one another and have had some mild conversations because naturally they're going to because Jerry Depoto comes out onto the field sometimes comes out for batting practice and stuff

they are going to naturally just converse so I assume that they've had at least some discussions I don't know how deep or how big they've been but I have a hard time believing that they haven't talked in years and so for him to come out and say that when it's over when the when the season's already over his time in seattle's already over and to to say that for what point what's the point of saying that if you're kail seger really it just it seems silly it just why burn that bridge why continue to make that relationship worse especially when we know that seeger's going to come back at some point he's either going to sign you know a one day contract to retire as a mariner and all that good stuff and he's eventually going to be put in the mariner's hall of fame right for So why, yeah, rightfully so, too.

And again, this is not to bash Kyle Seeger. I love Kyle Seeger, but it's hurt me that he has acted this way this year. And some of the things that I've heard about him this year is just it hurts to hear him because Kyle Seeger is awesome. He's one of the my favorite mariners of all time. So yeah, that's just, it's been really sad to kind of witness this year. but you know it is what it is that it's over and hopefully that's the end of it like we talked about on last week's show when we talked about the depoto and see your stuff hopefully this is it this is over we don't need to have any more back and forth it's silly i don't need to hear more from

jerry depoto i don't need to hear more from cal seeger let's just move on let's just take what the you know the great send-off that he had and just look at that as the end because that was that was very beautiful the way that they handled it everything the way that scott service handled it, taking him out, letting him have the ovation, getting the base and all that stuff. It was great. So, yeah, let's just focus on that and move on. And hopefully a CER goes on to have, you know, a great, you know, last few years to his career elsewhere. And, you know, eventually when he comes back, all this can be, you know, water under the bridge.

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