Locked On Mariners - Daily Podcast On the Seattle Mariners - What Would Frankie Montas and Luis Castillo Cost Mariners?

Episode Date: July 21, 2022

Jerry Dipoto has said the Mariners are focused in on the starting pitching market. So what would the top two available names, Luis Castillo and Frankie Montas, cost them at the deadline? Hosts Ty Dane Gonzalez and Colby Patnode play "Take It or Leave It" with Locked On Reds host Jeff Carr and Locked On A's host Jason Burke, who submitted trade proposals for Castillo and Montas. Additionally, Ty and Colby discuss the latest rumor involving the Mariners and Juan Soto and tell you why it shouldn't come as a surprise Jerry Dipoto has at least made a call to the Nationals.Be sure to follow or subscribe to Locked On Mariners wherever you prefer your podcasts! For questions and other inquiries, email: [e-mail] up to date with all things Mariners at Inside the Mariners - a FanNation website covering the Seattle Mariners on the Sports Illustrated network.Follow the show on Twitter: @LO_Mariners | @danegnzlz | @CPat11 | @InsideMarinersFor more of Ty and Colby, check out their Patreon: patreon.com/controlthezone/Sports Card InvestorDownload the Sports Card Investor App today and easily browse over 630K cards from every sport, with hundreds more added each week . Available for free in the Google Play and Apple App stores or go to sportscardinvestor.com/lockedon.Built BarBuilt Bar is a protein bar that tastes like a candy bar. Go to builtbar.com and use promo code “LOCKED15,” and you’ll get 15% off your next order. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

On today's episode of Locked-on Mariners, what will it cost to land Frankie Montes or Luis Castillo this summer? Jeff Carr of Locked-on Reds and Jason Burke of Locked-on A's way in with their trade proposals. Plus, another questionable source is linked the Mariners to Juan Soto. We'll tell you what it all means coming up. Colie, hit it. You are Locked-on Mariners. Your daily Seattle Mariners podcast. Part of the Locked-on Podcast Network, your team every day.

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So on today's episode, we got Jeff Carr of Locked on Reds and Jason Burke of Locked on A's to submit trade proposals to us for Frankie Montes and Luis Castillo. We'll be getting into those later on in the show and we'll be playing pretty much a take it or leave it type of game with both of those trade proposals. But first, there's another Juan Soto rumor with the Mariners.

This time it comes. Oh, Colby is very, very excited for this. I can tell as you can see it on his face. He is so stoked to be talking about Juan Soto for the third day in a row. But now it's Bob Nightingale. Everyone's favorite baseball reporter has linked the Seattle Mariners to Juan Soto, saying that the nationals are fielding preliminary offers for Juan Soto with seven teams already weighing in, including three in the NOS.

He lists the Mariners, Padres, Giants, Dodgers, Cardinals, Yankees, and Mets as the teams that have checked in, at least, with the nationals. But, Colby, we shouldn't be surprised that the Mariners, have at least checked in. They've at least kicked the tires and maybe even submitted a starter offer, if you will, right? I don't believe Bob Nightingale, so maybe I'd be a little surprise. That's just good advice in general. Don't believe everything.

Bob Nightingale tweets. But I think, yeah, I think they probably have at least reached out. I mean, they'd be dumb not to. I think every team in baseball should reach out, to be frank. but obviously Seattle is one of the only teams that fits certain criteria that, you know, you have to to acquire somebody like Juan Soto. And I think the seven teams on that list, for the most part, all meet that requirement. I'm not sure San Diego does.

People keep trying to like shoehorn them in there. And I just don't see the prospect capital or the depth on their major league team to handle that. So not to mention they're already complaining about the luxury tax and Juan Soto is making $17 million this year. probably a combined $55 million over the next two. So we'll see. And plus if the nationals really want teams to take on Patrick Corbyn's contract, I don't like the Potteries can be in this at all. But regardless, the other six teams,

they all kind of match that criteria. So yeah, it would make sense that Seattle would reach out. You know, Jerry was on 710 Seattle today, and he did mention that, you know, they weren't opposed to acquiring stars. did mention how expensive things are going to be at the trade deadline like they are every year and they're more than willing to trade these top prospects to help their team this year. Didn't specifically mention Soto, did talk a lot about adding pitching, starting pitching in general.

So no, I'm not surprised that the Mariners would have reached out already. Jerry, I think to me in this case, this feels like Jerry saying like here's the best we're going to do. Get back to us if it works for you. because I really think it's pretty cut and dry. Like Jerry's not not dumb. He's not going to be like, well, maybe we can give a Levi Stout instead of Amerson. That's not happening. So I think it's very clear Jerry probably goes into it, says, hey, what do you think of these players, blah, blah, blah.

And then they say, okay, well, here's what we can do. Get back to us if you have any questions or anything like that. I think that's pretty much the approach here. and I think it's a good way to kind of set a baseline for other teams and more or less start eliminating competition quote unquote to me I still think Soto probably ends up with the Dodgers the Yankees or the Giants those three teams seem to match best in terms of what not only what the nationals what's that maybe even the Cardinals yeah yeah although yeah Yeah, the Cardinals because they probably just wouldn't be looking to extend him.

And the Mariners wouldn't either. So yeah, it's maybe. But I think it's probably one of those three teams. I think the most likely thing is still Soto stays in Washington. But if I had to put the Mariners chances on that list of five, a list of seven teams there, I would probably rank the Mariners fifth, which, you know, still top five out of 29 other bidders. That's something. And, you know, it only takes one player for Washington to say yes, that's the offer we're willing to take.

Well, like I said yesterday, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. And we don't know what the nationals particularly think about the Mariners prospects relative to what other teams have to offer as well. And it's not just prospects for the Mariners either. I mean, they do have some major league pieces or players that are just about ready to take the next step into the major. league level so that are going to be of interest to the nationals but yeah i think um you know at the end of the day here jerry depoto wouldn't be doing his job if he was if he didn't check in at least if he didn't make the call right even if there isn't much hope for them to actually land wonsoto it would not even trying not even just gauging what the nationals actually think you know

talking to them directly and finding out exactly what it is they're looking for that he just wouldn't be doing his job So this is probably all that is, is him just making the call, checking in, seeing what's up. Maybe he submitted an offer or at least just said, like, hey, we would be willing to part with this, this, and this. You know, what do you think? Like you said. But other than that, I don't think that until I hear it from a more credible source, honestly, because just Bob Nightingale is so wrong all the time. He is so, so wrong all the time.

He is notoriously wrong. He is, I have rarely seen him properly break news before anyone else and be 100% accurate with it. So until I see it from a more credible source, I'm just taking this mostly as the Mariners are just, you know, they're making the call, which is, I mean, that's common sense. Whether Bomb Nightingale said that or not, that's just common sense that the Mariners checked out at some point on Juan Soto. Yeah, more to me talks about due deal. than anything else. If we start seeing reports from, you know, passing or only Rosenthal, Morosi, or even some of the local guys like Ryan Divish or Shannon Dreher,

I think that's when you can start to get pretty excited that this thing might have legs. But until then, we'll see. Like I said, I mean, I think Ty and I have talked this to death. Neither of us are opposed to the idea. It just gets really sticking when you start talking about adding the type of piece. that I think you're going to need to add to get Juan Soto. I'm not trading George Kirby. I'm not trading Logan Gilbert, period.

I'm not trading either of those guys, and I think you're going to have to to beat some of these other team's offers. And I'm just not interested in that because I want to win for a decade, not three years. There's no guarantee you win with Juan Soto either, by the way. All right. So speaking of trades, you know, you mentioned earlier that Jerry Depoto spoke to 710 Seattle Sports today and talked about how their focus is primarily. on starting pitching and it seemed like he didn't rule out the top of the market.

So that means Luis Castillo, Frankie Montes, Pablo Lopez, guys like that. Well, we reached out to Jeff Carr of Lockdown Reds to craft a Luis Castillo trade proposal for us to react to. And we're going to play a little bit of a take it or leave it type of game in just a moment. But real quick, a reminder, this episode of Lockdown Mariners is brought to you by the sports card investor app. we have a great new app to tell you about the sports card investor app it is a one-stop shop for all your card collecting needs you can check the market activity and trends for over 630,000 cards see all the eBay listings and make purchases right through the app and I don't even want to know how much Julio Rodriguez cards are going for right now I bet that's gone up up up up stonks stonks baby stalks um but if you want to see for yourself I mean that's going to be quite the sticker shock, I would think. You can find all the info you need on the sports card investor app right now on your mobile device. It is available for free on the Google Play and Apple app stores or you can go to sportscard investor.com forward slash locked on. You're listening to Locked on Mariners. Thank you again for making us your first listen of the day.

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from the Reds? Well, we asked Jeff Carr of Locked on Reds to tell us his thoughts on how much this is truly, truly going to Costieri to Poto and Company. he submitted a mock trade proposal to us. So we're going to react to that. But first, let's check in with Jeff. Jeff, what do you got for us?

Here's what we're saying. The Reds would trade Luis Castillo and Brandon Drury to the Seattle Mariners and they would get back a haul. They would get back. No LV Marte. Top 20 prospect. Very, very good shortstop. Who's going to absolutely build something with this team next year?

Matt Brash. Kind of pitcher you could probably call up as soon as it gets here. and Levi Stout, maybe not this year, but ready next year. Then you got, I'm going to switch out Milcar Perez for Zach Deloche and George Flee's. Two good outfield prospects who could add, if nothing else, they're definitely going to the kind of depth at the major league level. We're not talking about organization. Talking about depth at the major level, if not be a starter or two for you. So Luis Castillo, Brandon Drury for Nuel V. Marte, Matt Brash, Levi Stout,

Zach De Loach and George Fleeze. Now that's a lot of names. That's a lot of stuff, and you're talking about a huge hall of prospects, and you'd love to see exactly what the Reds can do. This is the type of thing that I'm talking about. This is why this is the biggest story of the second half for the Red. So, okay, as Jeff said, that is a massive, massive haul from the Mariners.

A lot of players switching hands here. The Mariners not only get Luis Castillo in the steel, but also Brandon Drury. but they have to give up no LV Marte. They have to give up Matt Brash. They have to give up Levi Stout, Zach DeLoch, and George Fulise. Colby, what do you think? I think the inclusion of Brash maybe tips the scale a little bit too far,

just because Brash can help the Mariners this year. I do wonder how Jerry feels about Matt Brash because obviously, you know, I don't want to say they gave up on him as a starter. They did for this year, but I don't know that's necessarily a long-term thing. But if it is, then they should have no issue. including Brash in a deal like this because if you don't think Brash can start, he's not a top, you know, six or seven prospect. It's just not in the Mariners system anyway.

So, you know, Noelvie Marte is about what I thought for a headliner. You know, Jeff would learn fairly quickly that Noelvi's not a shortstop. But he should be a pretty solid third baseman. And he is on a bit of a heater right now. So there is possibly he could be up next year. Levi Stout is a guy that we know. the Reds like they almost acquired him when they traded Jesse Winker to Seattle. So that makes a lot of sense.

I don't think Jerry's going to have an issue with that. And then the Zach Deloche and George Fleeze, how Jeff kind of broke it down as like almost two separate trades. Deloche and Fulies for a jury, I would absolutely do in a heartbeat. And Deloche is performing a little bit right now. And Fulence certainly has some upside, but that's a deal you make if you're a contender. So I think the Brash thing is maybe a little too heavy. I think if you're looking for something like, for me it'd be something like Marte, you know, maybe, maybe Levi Stout and Adam Maco, I think is something I would try.

But honestly, I don't think it's that far off. It sounds like a lot. But if the Mariners really do think Matt Brash is a reliever for them, then, yeah, they should be willing to trade him. And the Reds, by the way, can offer Matt Brash a chance to start for a couple years and try to feel. bigger things out. So I think there are some really good elements to this trade. I think for me, it's just, it's a little, it's a little on the high end, but it makes sense. Castillo's one of the top arms available and he's not going to be cheap. Yeah. So, you know, I'm mentally prepared. I think any Mariners fan should be mentally prepared here that if you're going to acquire

Luis Castillo at the deadline, novi Marte is probably going to head to Cincinnati or it's going to be Harry Ford or Edwin Royo. So that's, you know, that's what it's going to cost. That's just, that's just the fact of it. So that's that's fine. His inclusion is fine. The brash thing, yeah, I agree with everything that you said. I think if the Mariners just view him as a peer reliever forever in their organization, then I think you do consider that because I mean, well, I really like the idea of him as a reliever and

I still believe in him as a starter. If they don't believe in him as a starter, then he's not as valuable to the Mariners as he might be to the Reds. And so, you know, that would give him an opportunity to actually figure some things out there in the rotation in Cincinnati. Levi Stout, like you said, you know, he was one of the players that they had to choose from for the player to be named later in the Jesse Winker deal. They ended up taking Connor Phillips. We had also been told that he was a big topic of conversation for the Reds with the sunny gray negotiations with the Mariners. So that makes a ton of sense.

And then George Phileas, Zach DeLoch for for Brandon Drury. Yeah, just like you, I would absolutely do that. So for me, even though that I would probably change the Matt Brash thing, I'm going to take this deal. What about you? Taking it and leaving it. Yeah, I think I wouldn't love it just because, you know, obviously I'm a big fan of Noelvi and Brash is certainly fun to think about in the bullpen. But, you know, at the end of the day, we're talking about trading my number two, number eight, number 11. number 24 and like number 35 prospect for a everyday second base option and a year and a half of a number high end number three starter.

I think you probably pull that trigger. Yeah. And even though that it feels a little bit aggressive, right, with the Matt Brash inclusion, you know, you might need to get aggressive here to outbid someone like the Yankees or the Minnesota twins who have been reported to be interested. and Luis gets to you. And you're at this point now, Jerry is. I even said that today on 710 Seattle Sports. It's like,

you know, it's going to cost a lot. But we're in a position right now where, you know, that makes sense for us. We're going to have to do that. We're going to have to do that a little bit. We're going to have to get aggressive and maybe pay a dollar 10 for a dollar.

You know, that's what you're going to have to do. So, yeah, I think this is a, you know, the sticker shock is, is a little much,

but I would probably do this. Because like you said, you figure out your second. and base situation and you add a potential number two probably a number three starter to your rotation i mean that that's exactly what you need right now that's that fills two of your biggest biggest needs on your to do list right now so yeah uh if that's what it costs i think you still do that all right so we are not going to stop looking at trade proposals we got another one coming up for frankie montes from jason burke locked on a's we'll check in with him and

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So it feels like an entire year that you and I, we have been talking about Frankie Montes and the Seattle Mariner's and you know what? I think it actually has almost been about a year because we've been doing this podcast for 11 months now and pretty sure we've been talking about Montas since last summer really

previewing the off season for the Mariners. So it seems like as long as his shoulder holds up here because he did have a little bit of a shoulder issue had to leave his last start against the Mariners after just one inning. Did pitch again. But maybe that will scare some teams

away. Maybe that lowers his trade costs, who knows. But let's just check in with the expert himself. Jason Burke of Lockdown A's submits a trade proposal for Frankie Montes to the Seattle Mariners. I've been so mandeered today because you want Frankie Montas. I have a Frankie

Montas. Not heard for you. And I assume I've been listening to the podcast. You guys do not want to trade Huli Rodriguez in a one-soto deal. And my only assumption is you're saving him for a Frankie Montas deal. So I accept. We will take Julio Rodriguez for Frankie Montas. You're welcome. But assuming that's not the trade that you're going to

offer me, I have a trade offer for you. I'm going to go with your number four overall prospect, and that is Edwin Arroyo, shortstop. He's 18 years old. He has a lot of potential, but he's also 18 and very ungruven. I think that that is a fair headline of this deal. Coming in number two, in my trade proposal. We got Adam Macco. He is, I don't know, 21. He's a lefty. I'm reading things off the page. He is the number nine ranked prospect in the Mariners system. And then, as a wild-carred throw-in type guy, he could end up being, you know, something, could be nothing. I don't know. He walks a lot of guys, similar to Matt Bresh. Maybe he's the next Matt Bresch, and that's Travis Coon. I want Travis Coon as a throw-in. And if I'm going for a second throw-in,

give me Larry Bernandez. If you don't know who Larry Bernandez is, look him up, kids. He's fantastic. He was really good. Know your meritor's yesterday. That's my offer. What do you guys think?

I don't know if Larry is active anymore, Jason. I haven't seen him around here in a few years, unfortunately. We miss Larry, though. Larry's a good guy. Larry's a good pitcher, too. So the trade proposal from Jason Burke for Frankie Montas is Ebon O'Royle, Adam Maco, and Travis Coon. Someone we haven't talked about much on here, but has been growing a lot of buzz

as a ready reliever arm. Pretty electric stuff there from Travis Coon. So what do you think about this deal, Colby? Yeah. First of all, Jason, I would say that you're underselling Edwin-Royo a little bit here. I have him as the Mariners number one prospect. He has been crushing the Cal League, showing power that nobody really thought he had. He's definitely going to stick to shortstop.

There's no question about his defense. He can run a little bit. He's got an attitude. I think he can hit. Is the power legitimate when he gets to the big leagues in like four years? I think it's probably like 15 home run power, not whatever he's got now, which I think is like 35 home run pace. But he's going to be a very good defender. he's going to run the bases pretty well.

I think he's probably going to hit 260, 270, 15 home runs. I think maybe what you're looking at here is like a maxed out physically, a maxed out J.P. Crawford. And then you're going to give up Adam McO, who I really like. I have him number 12 in the Mariners system. He's been hurt this year. He's missed some time, but he's got really good stuff. It's six foot lefty.

Typically, that's not what you hear. But 95, 97 on the fastball, pretty good. curbaugh, throw strikes. He's been good when he's been healthy this year. So I think it's a really solid secondary piece. And then, you know, Travis Coon is a guy who isn't a lot of people's like top 25 for the Mariners. He didn't crack my top 30. But that's just because he's a pure reliever. So to be quite frank, I don't, I don't care about Travis Coon. Like if there's one thing I can trust Jerry Depoto to do, it's, you know, go out into the the doldrums of minor league free agency and find another Travis Coon. So I don't have an issue with that. So I think, you know,

this back, like three Travis Coons during the draft. I mean, this past week. He probably did. I just, you know, they drafted Troy Taylor or whatever, his name is twice for a reason. So, um, yeah, I had, Travis Coon fine, take him. I don't care. You want like, you want Steven Colick with him too? We'll do it. Fine. I'm, I'm doing this deal. I really like Edwin Royo. He was a player that I wanted the Mariners to target in the, draft last year. So I've been, you know, keeping a close eye on him because what can I say? I like it when I'm right. And in this particular case, I was right. So it's, I don't want to trade him. I don't want to trade Harry Ford. I don't want to trade No. L.V. Martae, but let's,

let's be real here. You have to give up at least one of those guys to get something good. And Montes, I think he's a hair better than Castillo. I think he's a legitimate number two. I would need to see medicals. I would need to see him pitch a couple times before I make this trade in August but I think at that cost I'm I probably have to pull the trigger yeah I think even with the shoulder issue this is something you just got to do plus I think this is a yeah I mean you're giving up at one of Royal of course who I think you and I both consider to be the best prospect in the mariner system but this does feel relatively affordable for the mariners all things considered you know when you think about this market when you think about the state of this market

for starting pitching. To get a year and a half of Frankie Montes, who's a legit, you know, mid number two, high end number three, that's, I mean, that's everything,

you know, you want right now. That's basically the top of the market, you know, alongside Castillo, Lopez, et cetera. So to get that guy for,

you know, one of your top prospects and a solid arm and Adam Mako, who we both really like and a reliever, yeah, I'm doing this in a heartbeat.

Absolutely. Absolutely. Now let me ask you this. What do you think is the better offer? Which deal would you rather do right now? The Reds one that Jeff offered or this one from Jason? Trick question. The correct answer is to give up Deloche and Fulise for Drury. And then on this side give up Arroyo and Maco for Montes. That is the correct answer. There you go. I had to pick just one trade because I'm uncreative, you know, like serving somebody here. to my side. It's mirro and I always get a mix up. You got it right.

Yes, but if I had to pick one, I would pick the, I would pick the Montess train. I think he's a better pitcher. And I think the cost is actually a little bit cheaper. And again,

that's coming from somebody who really likes that Winter Royal. And I really do like that J.P. Crawford comp. And any Mariner fan could tell you, you know, if you have J.P. Crawford in your farm system right now, a little bit more power.

That's, you know, a three or four wind shortstop that you have control over for the next 10 years. So it's not an easy thing to give up, but I think you do it. I think you're in that position. Yeah, I think you have to do it. I would rather give up Noelvi Marté in the steel. Same.

I'm not too miffed about it to the point where I'm saying no, right? Right. Like for me, I have a Royo number one. and I have no LV number two. So yeah, yeah. So I would still do this deal because you're just, you're at this point in your season right now. It's so,

it's so close. You're, you're already in a playoff position right now. And you're, you're just, you're right there on the cusp. You just need a couple more pieces. And Frankie Montes is,

is one of those pieces that you really desperately need right now because of the state of your rotation. Your rotation has been remarkably, remarkably healthy. And, you know, I don't want to jinx the Mariners here, but,

there's no guarantee that that's going to continue, right? There is absolutely no guarantee of that. And on top of that, you have the innings cap for George Kirby Looming. You've got to add to the rotation. And you should add impact to the rotation as well. And Jerry DePoto also talked today a little bit about, you know, adding someone that's kind of a timeshare on the back end of the rotation. I think they need to do that as well.

But I think you really do need to add that impact towards the top or the middle part of your rotation right now. So Montes gets that done. Cassio gets that done. If it's going to cost you, like I said, a dollar 10 to acquire a dollar, you got to do that right now. That's just what the market dictates. And you're not gutting your entire farm system for either one of these guys. Even with these deals that Jason and Jeff have offered, this doesn't gut the Mariners farm

system whatsoever. There's still in a very, very good place heading into the offseason to continue to build on the product right now. So, yeah, I would take both of these deals. And I like your idea, right? just go get drury and then go get montes for for this deal i think castillo is just going to be really expensive and there's a lot of teams on in on him right now we've heard about the yankees we've heard about the twins those teams have a clear path to the world series than the mariners

do and therefore might be willing to get more aggressive than the mariners are so see how it goes that's going to do it for our show today thank you so much for joining us here on the lockdown mariner's podcast for coby pat note i'm tiding gonzalez be sure to give us a follow on on twitter at l o underscore mariners you can follow inside the mariners at inside mariners you can follow me at Dane Gonzalez, this D-A-N-Z-L-Z and Colby at C-P-A-11, that's C-P-A-T-1-1. You can also find all that stuff in the description of this episode, whether you're listening or watching it.

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