Locked On Mariners - Daily Podcast On the Seattle Mariners - What's NEXT, Luis Castillo's Fate, and More Seattle Mariners Offseason Insights From Ryan Divish

Episode Date: November 21, 2025

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Ryan Divish of the Seattle Times joins us today to tell us his thoughts on what's next for the mayors this off season if Luis Castillo could be traded and how the mayors might have a little bit more money to spend than we thought. You are Locked-on Mariners, your daily Seattle Mariners podcast, part of the Locked-on Podcast Network, your team every day. Oh, Hoy, sailors. It is Friday, November 21st, 2025. You're listening to the Lockdown Marys Podcasts, part of the Lockdown Podcast Network, now the number one sports podcast network. My name is Tiding Gazzalas. I'm a lifelong Maris fan who's been covering the team for over half a decade. And today, me and my co-os, Colby, are going to be joined by the one and only Ryan Divish. Merr's beat writer for the Seattle Times, of course, he's going to give us the latest on the mayor's off season.

We're going to talk some Jorge Polanco, Luis Castillo, bullpen arms, Colt Emerson. We cover a whole lot in this. one. But before we get into it, I want to shout out our title sponsor today, Game Time. Download the GameTime app, create an account, and use the promo code Locked-on MLB. That's L-O-C-K-E-D-O-N-M-L-B for $20 off your first purchase. All right, let's just get right into it. Let's talk to Ryan DeVish. Please welcome back to the show, Marin's Beat Writer for the Seattle Times, Ryan. Divish. Ryan, thanks so much for taking the time. Happy to join you guys. Obviously, it's already been a busy off-season for the mayors and for you and we've got a lot of baseball stuff to talk about but um i'd kick

myself if i didn't ask you about this big football game happening in missoula this weekend montana montana state how are we feeling um i feel better if espin game day was going to be there because i felt like they should have you know i'm actually and they were normally when this situation uh some of my buddies at the from the production staff at the athletics department stuff but call and ask me to tweet out something or do a video. I think a few years ago I did a video trying to get Game Day to go there where I said me and my buddy would buy the staff drinks all night. And they were in negotiations.

I just think it was logistically hard for them. And, you know, I think Oregon threw up a bunch of money. You got Phil Knight doing that. So I was disappointed that. I'm not confident about the game. Like so, you know, I always get on Twitter and say, hey, I'm not a Mariners fan. And, like, I don't, you know, I analyze it and stuff like that.

But I am a Montana football fan. I watch it a lot. And I just get so irritated at our defense right now. So, you know, like how you guys get mad about stuff. I do, too. Like, I don't go, like, all on Twitter, but, like, there's a lot of talking to myself and a lot of yelling at the TV and stuff. So I didn't even want to go to Missoula this weekend on the prospect that they might

lose um and that and tickets were like 250 and like hotels were like 500 so i'm just like now i'll watch in the comfort of my home that way i can just enjoy yelling at the refs and at the defensive coordinator and the quarterback and everything else just like any normal fan it's like my one time a year really um where i get to have that kind of feeling and i'll admit i'm probably not as crazy as i used to be when i was younger because you know like i think the job kind of takes some of the fan out of you more sure yeah didn't watch and analyze but it is kind of like my one outlet to be a fan so i'm looking forward to it nice what is your uh game seven of the alcs moment as a montana fan yeah i mean i so i've been to um i went to the national championship when they won it in

2001 which was you know which was really cool because like i had friends on the team like they were part of the team. You know, I was in, I was just kind of right out of college, but I had a lot of friends on the team, and I went, and I had a blast, you know, and so I made a promise to my buddies that anytime Montana made it after that, I would go. So I went three more times, and they lost every one of them, including to Villanova, where former Cub Matt Caesar just went PlayStation on us, and I was like, how can you not just tackle the one guy that's going to get the ball every single time and then there was a game where a friend of mine named mark marianney who was a receiver there all-American receiver played for the bears and the titans he had 187 yards receiving in the

first half and never got a catch in the second half i mean that yes he liked so yeah so i have my moments believe me yeah i got you i mean like honestly though and it's it's funny i have you know i did the the Houston series for the while the Houston ALDS was pretty intense but like I think in my mind I always felt like Houston was the better team when I covered that but like with the Blue Jays I felt like the Mariners had the better team overall the Blue Jays were a little hotter with the bottom of their order but I felt like that was a series they should have won I've never seen I've never seen intensity like that like experienced intensity like that covering a game even the Detroit series you know game five of the Detroit series like the intensity of those games and the

playoff games it's it's it was just different than it was that in 22 22 I think was it was kind of cathartic in the sense that they had finally made it and you know yeah for a lot of fans I think the happiness of being there and ending the drought but like this year when you saw kind of how they played and when they played well in the postseason you're like oh my god they can get to the world series yeah and looked at the way the rest of the team stacked up and then to kind of not play. And I was, you know, we're having the debate about, you know, Game 7 and Bizarro and all this stuff to my thinking was,

is they should have never lost game one of the ALDS. It should have never went to five, and their pitching would have been lined up a lot better. And they had opportunities to win early in, you know, in the ALCS where it should never have gotten to Game 7. That was kind of my thinking anyways. Yeah, yeah, that's kind of how I look at it as well. Did you notice, like, kind of the shift and tone

and rogers center specifically from games one and two to game six and seven like it just felt different because i went to games one two and six and so games one and two felt a little bit more relaxed especially game two i don't know if you picked up on this game two kind of had like a just a random day game vibe kind of um but game six and game seven got especially like crazy like the just the atmosphere was way different well the the blue jays angst came out and six and seven like i think in one because the mariners went 15 i think everybody in toronto just expected them to win you know they rolled through the yankees in those last games they thought okay we're just gonna we'll boat race these guys take a lead and then the

mariners come out and kind of punch them in the mouth right away and then they were so stunned by it they didn't know how to react and you know because you're looking at it like all the the matchups of it bryce miller hadn't been great you know hadn't pitched a ton you're rolling him out there the bullpen's taxed you know they're they're rested and then the mariners go and win that game and then game two i think like the mariners kind of just came out played well right away and then they're like oh my god here we go because like when you were leaving game two we went out and uh had a couple beers after game two and the fans were not happy like the blue jays fans they were calling it right then and there and i mean honestly like you go up too all on the road

especially in an environment like Toronto, you're going back home for three straight. I'm thinking they win at least one there and they'll win it in six. And it just didn't happen. Yeah. Yeah. My wife and I, we left the stadium and we went out for beers just to kind of wait

out the train crowd to go back home. And yeah, people were like trying to shake our hands and be like, congrats on going to the World Series and all that stuff. And then, yeah. Well, once, I think, like, with Toronto and maybe it's because of what they experienced when Toronto's offense gets going even a little bit the fans just lose their mind and I thought that's you know Toronto hit in Seattle gave them hope they came back and I mean

like six and seven were just different I mean it was just different intensity every pitch it was a lot different yeah so let's switch gears here let's talk a little bit about the off season so obviously they've they've already signed Josh Taylor and you know they've talked about wanting to bring back Polanco and Gino or at least one of those guys but also you know Jerry and Justin they love to circle back on players that they've targeted in the past is there a past target of theirs you think we should keep an eye on this winter hmm I don't know there's been

so many targets you know it's crazy it's like just like randomly when we were in Toronto and we were talking about Addison Marger and just kind of like his path and how he different like how you know being homeschooled and but like the antithesis of jared kelmick and the way he kind of grew as a player uh hollander just drops yeah we called on him called on him we were very interested in getting him when we didn't have a third basement decided and we were basically told no he goes we had longer conversations about vlad junior than we did about ass and marger so um stuff like that you know but like i don't know like, you know, I asked Adam about, me and Judework, we always text, and I said, what do you think

about Marte? I could tell Marte, and I was like, and like he said, and I kind of said, like, I don't know if they want to disrupt the clubhouse, you know, and it's a lot of money, too, you know, but Jerry's never been afraid to go out and get a guy he's traded before, but I don't know. I guess maybe there's been a lot of relievers that they've liked over time that they haven't been able to get. My guess is that's where they maybe circle back around. I don't know. I'm, you know, But so, like, by signing Naylor, they have a lot of opportunities. And they have, they've kind of shored up the one huge piece that they needed to get done. And then they can kind of get from there.

And it's given them options, you know, a lot of different options. Like, I was joking with Adam. I was like, hey, maybe they'll just go back to trying to get Nico Horner again. Like, that was their love at last year. More from our conversation with Ryan Devish in just a moment. But first a reminder, this episode of the Locktime Airs podcast is brought to you by Game Time and Doer. NFL season is back and there's nothing better than being in the stadium surrounded by fans cheering on your team. But let's be honest, getting tickets can be a hassle between cues, login screens, and prices jumping at checkout.

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com slash locked on Seattle you know there's been a lot of talk about louise castillo right um i kind of entered this off season with the expectation that uh he was going to get traded just because of how much it was talked about last year right do you think that happens uh i wouldn't say never but i think last year the math or like their thinking on it was different in the sense that like they had a better understand they thought they knew exactly what they had in Bryce and Logan and George from a health standpoint. But to have major scares with all three of those guys and miss a lot of time, I think that changes maybe their math on what the value of Luis Castillo is because he makes

every start. And I think this market is different last year. The pitching market was so starved. This year you have better kind of mid-level starters, you know, in that two-to-four range that are i don't think will cost you as much money as what louise castile will cost you i think the contract is prohibitive in a lot of ways the one but i there is value in his quantity you know i think the quality isn't necessarily great but he was pretty good laxter if you look at a lot of the numbers and you take out that little four start stretch where he really struggled and some of that

was mechanical base and i think some fatigue you know he's pretty pretty quality starter so i guess the mariners have to ask themselves what they get back in return will they get enough value or will you know the salary saved allow you to go get the guy you want um you could always do the contract for contract you know was it the Robbie ray for Mitch Hanager kind of thing like if there's a player out there that fits what they need fits what they want has kind of not necessarily the exact contract but a lot of money owed or whatever then you can kind of make that work but I mean how many teams are really going to take on Luis Castillo's money right now. Yeah.

You're four. The one thing is, is like if the Mets strike out on a bunch of pitching guys, then maybe you can do that. The problem with that being is like, that could happen late and then late in the process, like where they don't get their guys and they start looking around for trades. Do you have the money you save or what you get in return? Will that help you or do you have enough time to go get the pieces to make up for what you lost?

Yeah. Colby, what do you got for Ryan? well i mean just speaking about the the money there like if they don't trade louise do they have enough do you think to do something more than just bring back uh horay polanco or how do you think they're set up financially to attack the off season yeah so like i i think when i was down at the gm meetings and talking with some agents and talking with some other guys from other teams you know they kind of when because like when jerry came out and said oh the budget will be what it ended last year

you know i don't think the players union loved hearing that and all that other stuff but i think that was a starting point for their budget that's kind of like the baseline you know the floor of what their budget could be it wasn't going to be the be all end all like that's the ceiling and they had to stop it right there because what was that about 30 some million if you looked into the the projections i think it was i think they're closer to probably having about 40 45 to play with now they're not going to burn it all right away that's not how they do it because they need to add so at the they want to be able to add at the deadline um yeah i think like i think they can still do something with polanco and still have

some money to go get relievers i don't think i don't think there's a way they can make polanco sora plus what nailer was given work although nailer backloading the contract a little bit and only getting 10 this year might make it work because by him doing 10 this year and the signing bonus or whatever like you can you can you can look at a one-year deal for Suarez and say, okay, that's not terrible because you're only committed the one year. Like, the joke is, is the running thing in GM circles is there's no such thing as a bad one-year contract.

And so you can make it work that way because of what Naylor did and how the contract is structured. They may be able to do something. But I think, like, you know, if they go get Polanco and I think then the money they have, they'll use to get relievers. I don't know that third base is quite the priority that it might be. Or if they find the right guy, like to me, I think if you found a decent right-handed hitting utility bat or a utility guy that can play multiple, like say Willie Castro's out

there, I know he was terrible with the Cubs, second half, but maybe you can get him on a little bit lighter deal or on a one-year deal on a prove-it deal, then you have a guy that can play second, can play third a little bit, and has some contact skills that you like, and he's right-handed because they're pretty left-handed at times. You know, I don't think anybody wants to see JP and Cole Young batting against lefties throughout the season. I don't think that's a good idea.

So that may be a fit more than just, like, going to get the everyday third base type and might fit them better. They are going to give Cole Young the runway to make the team. I mean, they are, and they're comfortable with Ben Williamson being at least part of a platoon at third base

if they needed to. Like, I think they have that freedom. them. To me, like, I think they need leverage arms probably more than a third baseman, like what you could get, depending on what the market is. But that's how maybe the trade works. Maybe you get a trade to get a third basement instead of using it on free agent dollars. Maybe the free agent dollars go to a lefty that has some swing and miss or a righty that has some swing and miss. To me, they're two relievers away from being, from solidifying that bullpen. Well, let's talk about that a little bit because to me,

The best thing that I've heard from Jerry and Justin this winter has been the acknowledgement that Munoz Spire, Bizarro, and Brasch through a ton, and they want to build in some safeguards for that. You know, the other week you wrote that they'd like to add another experience leverage arm similar to Yon Duran. Now, Duran's one of the best relievers in the game. So do you think they're going to be shopping at, you know, the top shelf of the relief market this winter? No, I don't like the Devin Williams group. No, I don't think so, because I don't think they want to go three at, you know, over 15 or 16 million for a reliever. But they'll probably, you know, they'll look at the next tier. If there's a guy maybe with a higher strikeout rate but has some other issues, they'll look at that.

But, like, I think we all know that Devin Williams will probably end up with the Dodgers. And, you know, I mean, like, there are some other guys. Like, you look at it, like Fairbanks's numbers are starting to trend down. You don't like the lack of swing and miss. you know you trust their pitching lab to find the right guys in the market because like if you look at it when they've been forced to go get relievers to fill a direct need like a leverage need that highly relied upon you know jerry went out and spent 17 million on one macasio and 11 million on mark sepchinski and five million on ryan stanick and so like trust your guys trust your guys to know

like if there's mid-level guys you can go get and you can do that you know build a bizardo if you have to that has some experience they'll i think what we'll see given how much these other guys through is they'll be a lot more careful and leverage you know using these guys early in this next season spire lunoz barrow you know brash through a lot coming off the injury what hurt them is guys like coar and troy taylor just could not command i mean they love this stuff and i don't think you know I think that they both feel that that are they like their pitching guys feel like coar having another year can get better like Taylor the shoulder issues he dealt with coming into spring really sidetracked him and he couldn't get it back and they feel like having a normal off season for both those guys can put them on a better trajectory but like other guys like Santos I mean I wouldn't be surprised if they non-tender Santos even at 900,000 because he's such a zero in terms of commitment to trying to like be there and I think there are a lot of frustration. to people that didn't feel like you know he didn't he was putting his best foot forward maybe to be back you know and i mean like how the hell do you pitch that many innings and not get a strikeout

that's impossible in big league baseball yeah that's crazy that's crazy um going back to deron real quick yeah they they said like Caleb Ferguson was their fallback after deron but that that's a pretty steep jump we're talking about there do you think uh That's how all that worked, that they just went from Duran to Ferguson? Or do you think they were actually, they had some irons and some other serious fires, more serious fires? I think that was like the fallback that they knew they could get no matter what. I think they checked in on Duran, Jax. They checked almost every reliever, you know, that's what they do.

But like they, you know, they were looking for kind of specific guys. The Duran thing, too, fit him because he had multiple years of control, you know, and that's what they really, really liked. given what you know if you're going to invest prospect capital you want to make sure your return is maximized a little bit and the jimmy garcia thing a year ago didn't really work out in that regard so i i mean they went after deron pretty hard you know we've never gotten an exact an exact um like what they said exactly what they offered i we're all based on kind of what they've hinted harry Ford was in the package along with another pitcher and possibly like a couple low-level guys.

The Phillies just went to top one-hundreds. You know, it's funny as the Taip guy, the catcher they threw in there isn't really a catcher. He's more, they think he's going to end up being in first baseman. And he's doing Abel who's, you know, he's been a top 100 guy for a while, but hadn't really proved it. But like they just liked those guys better. It was kind of strange.

I mean, honestly, you know, if you're looking to fill the catching spot, maybe you get a guy that's a little bit more ready, but I think they also think they might be able to bring real moly back too. Our conversation with Ryan Devish continues in just a moment, but first, a reminder this episode of the Lockdown Marys podcast is brought to you by Fanduel. The NBA is back and there's no better place to get in on the action than Fandul, the official sports betting partner of the NBA. Even if you miss the start of the game or want to ride the hot hand,

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interesting that would have been i mean you get deron you know people are to go with the rest of the guys they got people have their pants off over their head swinging them around and joy you know and like that was the thing it was like you could just count the number of times where deron could have been useful in that situation just somebody that wasn't necessarily bizarreo you know and like said like brash brash wasn't at his best i think some fatigue caught him a little bit towards the end there you know spire was gas too you know and and that's that's the things they just didn't have the depth to kind of offset it and they didn't have guys that they trusted in the back in or in the bottom part of the bullpen to even like roll out there in

semi leverage situations really uh i want to go back real quick to um your thoughts on them not trading Castillo. So if they don't trade him, then what do you make of the Terrick Scoobel stuff? I mean, I think they'll listen. I think you've got to listen. Yeah. You saw what the horse can do for you in a postseason,

and you really believe this is a postseason team. You know, I don't, like, say they traded for them. I think the odds of signing school, resigning school are pretty slim, given how much he can make. I don't care how much he loves tacos chookies in Seattle. It's just not going to happen. But you know what?

Make the run out of it. There are a lot of teams that have done that with one guy, one time, to get that World Series. And, you know, that puts you over the top. My guess would be they would ask for Kirby. I don't think you'd have to do that, though. I think, I don't know, like, they want a major league ready pitcher where you have the full control, the full allotment.

like if i just don't know that tarangelo cincha or kate anderson really gets you that yeah throwing something else i mean obviously you're gonna have to throw in two or three guys three or four guys i don't think they have to be your best guys i don't think colt emerson's going in there but like you know if if you're detroit and you have to do this then you better get real dudes like and i don't that's the one thing too is like if you're detroit you're willing to do that are you willing to just move kerry carpenter too i mean because he's getting expensive and he you know i mean it just it feels weird to be like we're going to trade our best guy our very best guy and we're still going to try and compete in 2026 like what i mean it's tough message to send

to the clubhouse but i think they all kind of know where they're at the only thing is is that that division is so bad like the mariners could have went in without like the marries could go in with what they have now and just steamroll that division without adding anybody else. Say they keep Naylor, they don't add Polanco back or whatever. They could roll through that division that's that bad. Colby, you got anything for Ryan? Yeah, you mentioned Colt Emerson earlier. I'm curious, what do you think the odds are that he makes the opening day roster?

We know he's going to be given the opportunity, but do you think that's a real opportunity or is it kind of a, you know, give the top prospect a shot and see what happens type of thing? I think it's more of a real opportunity now after like, you know, in the, what, 17 games when he went to Tacoma. And even in Arkansas, you know, the numbers, like they were here. They're pretty steady. Like it's not explosive. Like with Laz, you know, Laz has the ups and downs. Usually when he starts a new level, there's some downs as he adjust and there's huge ups and then whatever.

Colt, I know the numbers aren't perfect, but I think he held his own. And I think the way he progresses at such a rapid rate, I think they think that that's possible. I don't know. I mean, I guess there are bonuses to all of that, too. You put the guy on the roster opening day and plays enough. Yeah, you burning your service time, but you also could put him up there to get a potential first-round pick with a draft pick of a rookie of the year, stuff like that. I'll be curious. I mean, because they were going to do the same thing similarly with Cole Young a little bit, but he hurt his shoulder.

I never really competed at spring. But Colt Emerson's wired a little differently than Cole Young. There is an intensity of Colt Emerson that's like the maturity level. Like I wouldn't think that it's normal, but it's possible. You know, and they show them anything. Like, I think you could do it. But I think also, like, they're not going to sit there and pencil him in. I think that would be the pleasant surprise because they didn't do that with Julio.

I remember that year, Julio came in. Everybody thought, oh, it just was, it's going to start again at double A, or is he going to go to AAA? How long would it take for him to be up? And he came in so ready to go that he just forced them to put him on the team. And I think Colt Emerson is perfectly capable of doing that. You know, and from a defensive standpoint, I think he'd adjust to third base really quickly. So, yeah, I mean, I'd say maybe 45% chance just because it's that difficult to move up.

what is he 20 is even 21 yet yeah he's 20 yeah i think it's 20 yeah i mean it could i think it could happen but i think i don't think the nemerers are going to rely on that happening yeah uh you mentioned cole young's shoulder do you think that that lingered at all over the course this year because like his arm strength was not what i had heard it was it was it was kind of a it was it was an issue yeah i sudden the comps to Adam Fraser look a lot more like fair honestly um yeah i guess and the thing is is like his throwing motion was a little funky and they worked on a lot it was a longer throwing motion they wanted to be shorter you know like at the bag for double plays and stuff he's not super clean there and that's you know i think a year working on it and more time with perry hill

will help him but like you know like you was watch Revos play defense and then you watch Cole. It's just it's not the same. But, you know, he's, he's plenty. He's, he has enough talent to make it better. I don't know. But one time we were watching and Angie Mantic was like, man, he's throwing like Dustin Ackley from second base. And I was like, oh, that's a, that's a hard drop right there, Angie. Yeah. Well, I think you'll be fine. I think, you know, some offseason rest and they wanted him to kind of clean it up and all that other stuff. will do it. But, you know, what will keep him in the big leagues is if he hits. If he hits and can, you know, if he hits kind of like the guy in July and early August, then I like the guy in September, you won't really care about his defense. It's like the Daniel Murphy comp or the even Polanco, you put him out there. You know that you're going to lose some balls defensively, but if you hit enough, you'll overlook it.

Speaking of Polanco, there was a report the other day from the athletic that Jorge might wait out the market a bit. Do you think the Mariners are willing to wait for him, though? Yeah, I mean, I think they'll wait a little bit just because they got nailer done. Like, had nailer not been done, and they're waiting out all these guys, it might have been more difficult. But, you know, I think they might be more willing to wait on Palanco. Because, again, it's not like you're not committing a ton of years.

And really, you're not committing a ton of dollars to him, you know. I mean, I'd be stunned if he got more than $12 million. in. I thought between 10 and 12 would be what he gets. But yeah, I don't think you're committing four and five years. So he can wait it out a little bit. But it's like, the thing with Polanco is, is like, Ulysses' agent might say that or might be leaking that. But Polanco is a guy that went back to the Mariners because he felt more comfortable in Seattle in a year where you're trying to put up numbers and rebuild your value. He decided to go back to Seattle and not Houston or even New York because he wanted to go to a place he was familiar with and he didn't like the change.

I mean, that first year with Seattle, that was so hard for him in the sense that his entire career from the time he was 16 was with the twins and everything about it. So, you know, it was a pretty big adjustment. I'd be stunned, like, you know, if the difference comes down to $1 million or something like that where he would go somewhere else over $1 million a year, which is amazing to say, because, like, I'd probably go somewhere else for $500 a year, but, like, the, you know, that kind of difference for him, I just think he would prefer to be a place where he's comfortable. You know, he's tight with Julio and Randy and that group and Castillo, Julio and him have the same. Julio and Robles and all those guys have the same agent. I just think it would, it fits too well for him to try and go somewhere else new for a minimal salary increase.

Colby, you got anything for Ryan before we get out of here? Yeah. So I think one of the more underrated situations that the Mariners should look to improve, although I'm coming to the realization they probably won't is right field. It was a disaster for them in the postseason. And if not, honestly, for Domkan's own hot summer, it would have been a disaster all year. But I guess more particularly, like, could they look to make an upgrade in the outfit? I know Jerry's already said probably not.

But more importantly than that, can Dominic Canzone and Luke Grayley coexist on this roster together, especially if Polanco is going to be the primary D.H? Yeah, that's a really, it's an interesting scenario. Like, how are they going to make that work? You know, I think they can do it. I think you may see Randy get some D.H. days at times, or you may see Randy just get some days off. I felt like he was not very good the last two months of the season. whether it was fatigue or what. I mean, Randy's streaky, but he was not great.

I asked them specifically because there are some outfielders out there that would serve as upgrades. But they seem relatively content in the sense that, like, they don't think Robles had a real season. I mean, even getting back to play when he did was a surprise. And then, like, with Rayleigh, he had all kinds of injuries. last year just never got going and then took it pretty hard on himself when he couldn't produce when the team was winning you know but it's not there isn't really a role for him you know and

without being able to play right field could they get him more time in left field could you see some dh days for guys it's possible or you know when those guys could get moved i mean i think they're they're invested in dom just because they've they've invested so much time in him and like they saw what it could be you know it's kind of crazy he finished with a 300 batting average i was like i was looking at yeah he was actually hitting lefties too that was kind of the craziest thing oh i think but i think part of it is you know like if they don't get polanco or if they do get polanco they they they don't love playing dom and right field i don't i think you guys probably don't like watching him play right

field so i don't all um i think you know and there's some talk well he's he doesn't hit as well any DHS. He goes, well, you better figure it out because that's your role. I mean, that's going to be your role moving forward. So in that regard, I mean, there's a way to make that roster work. And then baseball sort of figures it out. You know, there's guys get dinged up, guys, whatever, you find ways to play. I mean, it's not like any of us were expecting Dom Kanzone to be the contributor that was going into last season. Most people didn't think he'd make the team coming out of spring. So I think, you know, there's ways to make it work. And it's Jerry. You You never know. He could trade somebody tomorrow.

And that's the way I look at it. Like all the roster, all the roster kind of like congestion at times and everything else, I think it gets figured out by baseball or it gets figured out by Jerry because he still is going to make moves. He's still going to manipulate the roster as much as he can on the back edges of it, you know, and add guys and subtract guys and things like that. Lastly, before we let you go, you know, between you go on, on sabbatical and coaching and then coming back and then the mayor is going on this crazy run that they went on. Have you had a crazier year in your time covering the team just like

in your professional career? No, honestly. And that includes a season covering Milton Bradley, season covering Sean Figgins and Casey Cotchman, you know, season where Dee Gordon and Gene Cigura got into a fight in the clubhouse. No, it was... The Kendall Graveman trade. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Kendall Graveman trade where Tom Murphy was throwing, like, catcher's equipment against the wall and a pit of rage.

Yes, you're fine. I think, for me, it was the best summer I ever had in terms of baseball. I got to go back and coach and coach my stepson, and, you know, it was a big year for him, and it helped him earn a, a, scholarship and everything else for after next season after this coming season you know he's that's awesome yeah and and um coaching my old team and you know being in my hometown and seeing my parents on a daily basis and stuff like that was great uh didn't love how it ended but it was great and then coming back we all saw the clip yeah yeah yeah there's some other clips of me freaking out

about it but um and then you know coming back and not being a jinx like everybody predicted was nice and um no it was really cool well when did they go on that really bad run it was like kind of shortly there after you got back right well i came back on august like my first day back was august third but i was back for that weekend series i think it goes against the rangers where they swept them and took three so then they were on the hot street then they went on that awful road trip to new york to Baltimore, New York, in Philly, which I didn't cover. And then I came back for the other homestand and then covered the next road trip where they weren't great, you know, on them.

But yeah, their record was winning, I think, with me. But it was, it was, it wasn't, I don't know, it was cool. Like, I didn't, for four months, I didn't have to go to an airport and get on a plane. And I didn't have to go to CTAC, which is, you know, hell. And then also just like, you know, for me, like, watching for like i still pretty much i think i watched almost every mariner's game i could and even watched them on replay or the recaps um just to stay connected and watching it that way and not tweeting about it or you know having to write about it all that stuff and then reading the coverage

it was a good step back and like for me like i've said it before like the the guys in that team last year collection of the nicest guys the best people i've ever covered so to see them have success i was really happy for him happy watching it you know texted with cowl a little bit off and on during the season um but yeah it was it was really cool to kind of come back and experience that i was like i got the best aspects of it all i mean i'm gonna try and maybe i should just try and sell my boss say i need to take another sabbatical and we can get all these all these subscriptions and stuff like that so we'll see i mean jobs are great when you can take about three or four months off right right go coach some baseball all that well ryan great is always talking to you man

always appreciate your insights good luck to your gris this weekend yeah hopefully we get a win you know i i promise not to angry tweet like um colby yeah yeah colby i take credit for that no no because when i i was i was more of an angry tweeter back in the day but like i don't know I just, I don't do it anymore. I realized I was screaming at college kids. It was like when, it was like when Jude had to tell Blake Snow one time to stop tweeting to college,

high school recruits about going to UW football. He's like, I think Adam's like, look, I had to have the same conversation with Softie. This is a little different here. We're going to try and work on it this season, right, Colby? right now these guys make tens of millions of dollars a year

I think they know not to test the arm of Addison Barter they sit in those meetings okay pay attention that's all I'm saying I was like when you saw that I was like I just I remember just saying oh no

and then I was a seed I mean like I was kind of cool because I wanted to see it it was like I was like, like nobody, you know, the guys with the big arms, nobody tests them anymore. So it was like Boehner. And I remember seeing Boehner when I was younger, like watching warm up. I just want to see somebody wrong.

Well, nobody would do it. So then you don't get to see it. So then when you get to see the absurdity, it's pretty cool. Yeah. Do you remember when Rowdy tried to test him in Toronto in like May? I thought, I honestly think on the right turf and the right balance, barger could throw a guy out at first base yeah yeah yeah especially if it's kirky yeah Ryan thanks again man appreciate it thanks guys all right that is going to do it for our show

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