Locked On Mariners - Daily Podcast On the Seattle Mariners - Who Is on Mariners' 'Mount Rushmore?'

Episode Date: February 23, 2022

Hosts Ty Dane Gonzalez and Colby Patnode discuss the unfortunate passing of former Mariners second baseman Julio Cruz and debate which four players would land on their Mariners "Mount Rushmore."Be sure to follow or subscribe to Locked On Mariners wherever you prefer your podcasts! For questions and other inquiries, email: [e-mail] the show on Twitter: @LO_Mariners | @danegnzlz | @CPat11For more of Ty and Colby, check out their Patreon: patreon.com/controlthezone/Built BarBuilt Bar is a protein bar that tastes like a candy bar. Go to builtbar.com and use promo code “LOCKED15,” and you’ll get 15% off your next order.BetOnlineBetOnline.net has you covered this season with more props, odds and lines than ever before. BetOnline – Where The Game Starts! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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We're going to go over a fun exercise where we put together our Mariners Mount Rushmore, the four most prominent mariners and organizations. organizational history. If this is your first time joining us, welcome to the show. If you like what you hear, give us a follow or subscribe wherever you listen to this. We'd greatly appreciate it. But before we get into our Mount Rushmore, today some unfortunate news revolving around the Mariners came down. Julio Cruz, former Mariners second baseman and Spanish telecast broadcaster, unfortunately passed away today at the age of 67 from prostate cancer. He of course went on to steal a ton of bases

with the Mariners and 343 in his career. That's really what he was known for. Good defender as well. He was inducted into the Hispanic Heritage Baseball Museum Hall of Fame back in 2004. And obviously

has, like I said, has been a part of the Spanish telecast for the Mariners since the early 2000s. Just really involved in the organization. obviously played with Mariners and made his MLB debut in their inaugural season. It was a sad thing to see that come across the across Twitter today. Colby, you know, I know you tweeted about it when the news came through.

How do you feel about the passing of Julio Cruz? Yeah, it's, as you said, it's quite sad. Julio Cruz was an original mariner. He was here on day one, and he was kind of one of the Mariners first, not stars, but kind of one of their first fan favorites because of his base stealing ability. And he was pretty slick with the glove at second base. And honestly, there may not be a more underappreciated mariner than Julio Cruz, because like you mentioned,

he's been on the Spanish broadcast call since 2003, I believe. So you talk about, you know, 17 years doing that. You talk about another seven, you know, actually playing for the Mariners. You're talking about almost 25 years dedicated to the franchise. And then that's really an impact that shouldn't be overlooked here. you know, it really is an unfortunate loss. And it's, you know, it's a bummer. You know, it's, it's tough to put into words.

Julio Cruz was not a player that I grew up watching. I knew about him, of course, but he wasn't a player that I grew up watching. I don't, don't listen to the Spanish broadcast Ameriator games. But one of the things that's really, you know, obvious is that you can't find, really anybody who's willing to say a bad word about the guy. He seemed like he was just a standup dude. He was well liked in the industry and obviously the Mariners have had and maintain this relationship with him for 25 plus years. That kind of speaks to the character of who Julio Cruz was. We did get a pretty interesting tweet last night after I tweeted it late last night from one of our

CTZ listeners. And he had mentioned that. that Julio Cruz actually coached his little league baseball team. So it was, you know, it was kind of cool to hear stories, a story about that. So, yeah,

it just seems like he was a real stand-up guy who, you know, in the community. Right, very involved in the community, very involved with the Mariners. And it just seems like a guy who, who's going to be severely missed.

And we'll see what the team plans to do, to honor him. I'm sure there will be something, you know, commemorative patches, some kind of, some kind of plaque in the broadcast room or something like that. Because it does sound like Kulio Cruz is,

you know, one of the most well-like people in the entire organization. So, yeah. Just a kind of a sad day. And look, this guy, he produced quite a bit on the field. Yeah, he didn't hit for a ton of power or get on base a ton.

but I mean when he did get on base dude stole a ton of bags like I said he had over 40 steals for I believe six straight seasons seven straight seasons 1978 he had a career high 59 steals I mean that's

ridiculous he had 49 the year after 45 the year after that 43 the year after that 46 the year after that and then 57 in his in 1983 which was first spent with the Mariners and then he was traded to the White Sox.

The White Sox ended up winning, I think, 100 games that year. Any nine games? Something like that. He had a really good year that year. And yeah, I mean, you know, yeah, he didn't hit for a ton of power, like I said. But when you have the defensive ability that he had and the on base ability that he had, you know, to recab it on the base pass. I mean, that's a really, really good. good player. I mean, he was worth 14 F4 in his

career. That's a nice little career considering his profile. Yeah, I mean, if you want to know how prolific of a base stealer he was, he does hold, or he has a tie for the most consecutive stolen base attempts in the American League without being

caught at 32. And he held the Mariners career stolen base mark until each year I beat it. So it's a little bit more than just you know, he's just a a guy who was around in the broadcast booth.

Julio Cruz was a pretty good player. He was successful in 81% of his stolen base attempts. That's extremely high considering, you know, 300 stolen bases. Yeah. He also, I believe, set a record at second base at the time for most consecutive airless games. Wow.

So, yeah, he was, he was a good ball player and it sounds like an even better person. So he will be missed and, you know, thoughts are with the family. Yep, absolutely. And, you know, it just, it's, it's a sad day. It really is.

Rest and peace to Julio Cruz. Thoughts out to his family, loved ones, all those who got to know him. Thoughts to the organization and everyone there as well. Yeah, sad day in the Mariners' fear. We're going to be looking at players from Cruz's era and throughout all the areas of Mariners baseball and determine who are the four most prominent figures of the mall

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And this is something that we did for the Seahawks over at Seahawkmaven.com, which is a site that both Colby and I write for under the Sports Illustrated and a real. group umbrella. And this actually sparked quite a conversation in that realm about who would land on the Seahawks Mount Rushmore. And there's a lot of choices that you can go over there. It's a lot harder exercise than I think this one will be for the Mariners. But there is an interesting discussion to be had for at least one of the spots.

And we'll get to that later. But Colby, there's at least three people that I think are just automatics have to land on this list, right? Um, there's probably four if we were including non-players, um, but we're not players only. So unfortunately, Dave Nehouse not eligible for this, but, um, any real Mount Rushmore, he would definitely be on it. So yeah, there's, there's three that are like clearly obvious. Um, I really don't think there's much debate with these three, just the way that they, uh, you know, kind of changed baseball in Seattle locally and internationally.

Um, it's just, I just, I don't see much reason to argue over, um, over the, the three names here. Um, should we say them? Because I feel like everybody knows, like we don't really need to break him down one at a time, right? Like, I feel like everybody knows the three players we're talking about right now. Yeah. I mean, it has to be King Griffey Jr. Edgar Martinez and each row of Suzuki. I don't think there's really any debate about that. Those three guys, they are the faces of the Mariners organization.

If you're just thinking about players, right? Great players in the Mariners organization. It starts with those three guys. Yeah. And I'm sure there's probably an omission here or two that people are yelling at us about. And we're going to get to that later. But yeah, I mean, those three guys, you have, it begins and ends with them. You think about the career that each row etched out in Seattle to play at the level that he did throughout some really bad seasons to start his career in the way that he did on,

one of the greatest teams of all time and win an MVP as a rookie. Like he has to be on there. Griffey for the career that he etched out. I mean, just an absolute amazing player who, I mean, was it only two or three people who didn't vote for him in the Hall of Fame? Which is ridiculous, by the way. That's an absolute mistake by those two or three people that didn't vote him into the Hall of Fame. But like, and then Edgar, of course. I mean, like, I don't even have to say it, really.

Like, Edgar has to be on this list. He, I mean, look, Alvin Davis is Mr. Mariner, but, like, he just embodies this organization. Yeah, like, you cannot talk about the Seattle Mariners, the history of the Seattle Mariners and not have Edgar be one of the first people you mentioned. Plus, like him and Griffey, right, like, the one moment that everyone talks about with the Seattle Mariners, the one moment that they, ends in everyone's mind is the double. And who is at the center of that? It's Griffey and Edgar. Well, it's kind of funny, too, because the other guy

that is thrown around in that, in the double here, is a guy who would be on our list if we were expanding it beyond players. And that would be Dave Nehouse. So it is, it is kind of funny that, like, the greatest moment in franchise history included three of the, like, most obvious members of their Mount Rushmore. as it probably should be. But again, players only for this particular,

this particular exercise. So Dave is unfortunately not eligible. But yeah, you can't like, there isn't a player. Like when somebody says Seattle Mariners, first player I think of is Edgar Martinez. It's not Griffey. Even though that's probably the player,

that's probably the player everybody outside of Seattle immediately thinks of. Yeah. It's Griffey. And for obvious reason, the guy made the Seattle Mariners cool. when they were the laughing stock of the of the baseball world. So he made baseball cool in the early 90s

when it was slowly starting to decline. Like Griffey I get like Griffey is the face of the Mariners probably. But Edgar is the heart, the soul, the, you know, the he's everything to the Mariners.

So yeah, I would say that Edgar, Griffey, like absolute no brainers. And then I think you could potentially leave Icho off your list. I think it's a stretch to do so. But Ichero took the Mariners global, you know, and he's one of the most popular athletes in the entire world and just the love and the joy that he brought to Mariners fans

is something that's not easily replicable. Well, and he changed the landscape. for a lot of international players, particularly players coming over from Japan. Offensive players in particular. Yeah, because I mean, like, think, like, think about what he was able to accomplish. Like, he was the first, like, guy to come over from overseas and really take the game by storm. I mean, Hideo Nomo, about half a decade earlier kind of did. But, like, for each year, it was, it was different because I feel like at that time, and again, I was just getting into baseball.

maybe I'm wrong. But my recollection is that the idea was that like, oh, well, you can go get pitchers from overseas and they can hang, but an offensive player hadn't really done it yet. And Ichiro was kind of this risk, I guess. And all he did was, you know, when American League rookie of the year, most valuable player, lead the league in hits, batting average stolen bases, like play gold glove defense and was the face of. Well, and that's what I'm saying is like no one ever did that before

him, right? Like he, like you're disrespecting like he's just, okay. No, I'm not disrespecting to Deo Noma, no. Dayonimo, no. Great player. Nowhere close to Yerotro Suzuki though. No, no, no, no. Yeah. Like, that's just, that's not a debate, right?

But that's also not the debate that we're having today. Anyway, um, yeah. And then, you know, you think about Agar as well. Right. Like the the way that the, that he is been so deeply ingrained into the culture of the organization to, you know, later be a part of the coaching staff and then to see how the organization rallied around him and how the fan base rallied around him in his pursuit of the Hall of Fame. I mean, like that's just like it's like you said, right? To the outside world, King Griffey Jr. is the face of the Mariners. But I think to the city of Seattle, to the state of Washington, to those that closely follow the team, that's a lot. Edgar, right? Because like, I don't know, just the way that you see people gravitate to Edgar, it's just different. He's an absolute hero to a lot of people in this town. And like, to me,

honestly, when we were coming up with this list, my first name that I put down wasn't Griffey or Eitro. It was Edgar. it was like yeah Edgar's number one who's number two okay Griffith who's number three Etiro yeah yeah yeah

like I said I feel like each year oh if you really wanted to make an argument that he's just outside the top four I could buy it because some of the guys we're going to talk about in the next segment

are certainly deserving of discussion but I just you know we decided to do this the first three names that popped into my head in order were Edgar Griffey and Ichero

well and Dave, but again, players only. But yeah, so those three are just, to me, they're obvious. So if you don't think Yichiro belongs, I mean, that's fine. I'm not going to, like, debate you on that. I would disagree with you, though. I think Yichiro in the impact that he had on the game and the franchise is probably second only to Griffey in terms of nationally and internationally.

Locally, Edgar is probably still number one. Itiro kept the Mariners relevant throughout some really, really bad years. Let's just face it. Right. Ituro was the reason that the Mariners throughout the mid-2000s to late-2000s and early 2010s.

He's the reason that they were relevant. He was the reason that they were on Sunday night baseball every now and that and whatnot. Right. Like he was the reason that they were on magazine cover still and there was hype around them every off-season or almost every off-season and why there was hope in the city of Seattle every year.

Like, Ituro was at the core of that, of all of that. Yep. So to me, like, he has to be on here as well because even throughout the dark ages of this team, and there's been plenty of them,

even, you know, we just talked about Julio Cruz and in his era, right? Like, those were some dark ages as well. But you think about this, the current playoff throughout, which is still going on.

Like, Eitro, like, kept the Mariners in the conversation. No matter what, really. Think about the records that he set. Just the impact that he had on the game, both internationally and domestically.

Like, he's, he's an absolute legend. I just, I, I, I, frankly, don't even see it as, as an argument to be had here. I think he has to be on here definitively. I just pushing them off of this list. For some of the other guys that we're going to be talking about, and even if we did have knee house and some other non-players in here, I'm not pushing off each row for any of them.

I'm pushing off the potential fourth person that we're going to be talking about later on for any of those. For like Dave, right? Like I'm not pushing off each row for him, though. I just, I feel like, you know, each year-o is, as the weakest case of the three, which isn't to say that it's a weak case. Yeah. All right.

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But I would presume that our debate here is going to be pretty much exclusively on Randy Johnson or Felix Hernandez. Am I right? Yeah. Again, it kind of depends on what you want to do with the Mount Rush more, though,

because somebody like, you know, Jay B. Uner is certainly going to be on some people's list. Alvin Davis is going to be on some people's list. list, Dan Wilson, Jamie Moyer. Of course. You know, there are guys

who are, I mean, I don't know, somebody might throw Jerry DePoto on there. I don't know, but yeah. Julio Rodriguez, you want to call that putt or already. By the way, we joked about putting Jerry on this list just to mess with the people that sub-tweet us about our love for Jerry DePoto.

are justified. I wouldn't consider necessarily love. I would just say respect and understanding, but that's another conversation. Not blind rage. Yeah. Truthfulness.

I don't know. Call what you want. But yeah. It's probably almost certainly. I mean, I think A-Rod should be in there, but I know that's never going to happen. So it's not even worth like discussing, really.

Yeah. So yeah, it's probably just Felix or Randy. Johnson, but I do think that there will be some who say Alvin Davis or Jay Buneer or maybe Jamie Moyer, Dan Wilson, but those feel like stretches. So, and obviously again, because it's players only, Lou Penella, not eligible. Yeah. So, yeah, it's it's Felix or Randy, I think. So, all right. Obviously, Randy Johnson, one of the greatest pitchers of all time. No debating that. had some amazing years in Seattle.

110 F4, like just a ridiculous career that he put together. But he also did a lot of it outside of Seattle as well. Do you think that hurts his case at all? It shouldn't. Griffey played outside of Seattle. I mean, Echro did too. So I don't think it does. Yeah, I guess more so why I'm asking is the Fed.

that after he left Seattle, that's where a lot of his career accomplishments came from, right? The World Series, he had his highest career F-war season outside of Seattle. Right. He's not wearing the Mariners cap in the Hall of Fame. I mean, I don't know if most people associate him as a mariner. I think most people probably associate him with the Diamondbacks would be my guess. Yeah, Randy didn't leave on the best of terms. And that is because ownership absolutely threw him under the bus and backed it up.

several times. So yeah, I mean, the fact that that Randy left the way he did, I don't really hold that against him. And we also need to, you know, not pretend that Felix Hernandez didn't like, it's not like Felix left on like the best of terms with the Mariners either. Right. Well, and also his career decline in general was pretty sad to see. And that's kind of the other question that I want to ask here, you know, on the flip side

of the coin is how much does the recency of Felix's struggles leave a bad taste in your mouth? Well, you know, that's kind of a personal like how you feel about the guy type of thing. I always felt towards the end there that Felix was, Felix was basically suffering from self-inflicted damage. Clearly he had lost his stuff. Wasn't, you know, never really had great command to begin with. he threw a lot of strikes and the stuff was so good he would get swings and misses on it. But I never saw Felix as somebody who was willing to change,

um, willing to grow, kind of how we saw Zach Grinky do it. Um, C. Csci Sabathia. We've seen guys kind of as they age out, um, and they start to lose some of their stuff.

They, they adjust. And Felix, my sense was that he just refused to even try it. Um, because, I, never noticed any changes body was the same delivery was the same arsenal was the same there was just

no changes so that to me is is something that you know it's in the back of my head just like you know randy leaving on on pretty bad terms is in the back of my head they they both um you know they both didn't leave on top i i guess you know i mean each year i kind of had the grand like retiring and like you know and griffy had the same thing and griffy's last hit was a walkoff like that's always cool and edgar had the huge uh fan support and and you know the huge retirement thing and then the hall of fame push and it's just like felix had a cool you know like walk off i guess but yeah and randy was traded in the middle of the game so we didn't really get that um i just i look at and i go it's between these two i kind of want just the guy who i think is the better pitcher

I think that's Randy I think it's definitively Randy I just I don't feel like I guess I would say I didn't I never really it's not I'm like trying to say this respectfully like I didn't buy into like the Felix love at the end where they were like oh the Mariners did Felix Hernandez dirty I mean not in 2018 19 and 20 or 17 18 19

19 like I didn't feel like that at all I feel like Felix let them down more so than the other way around. So, yeah, it's a bummer. And look, I get it. I get that there's a lot of, you know, feelings towards the organization about the years that Felix pitched in and the lack of run support and all that stuff. I get that. All justified. Yeah.

I don't know. It's hard, right? Because Felix is such an accomplished pitcher, but he's probably also not going to end up in the Hall of Fame if we're being real. probably shouldn't if we're being real. I think he's just short of that. 50 war career F war. Like that's good. It's a good player.

Oh, it's a very good player. Yeah. Felix is one of those guys. If you only care about peak, he's probably a hall of favor. But here he is, what, 32 years old? And nobody's even willing to give him a shot. Yeah.

He's toast. He's 35. Is he? Wow. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, he's 35. Still.

So you figure somebody. Yeah. I mean, like the last three years, frankly, honestly, even 2016 was not good. No, no. It's interesting. Like, here's the funny thing. Like, Felix is going to have his number retired by the Mariners. That's going to happen.

Yeah. And he should. The fact that Randy's jersey has been retired, and I guess they probably just want to do each year old first. but like I don't know man the villainization of Randy Johnson and like kind of painting this is like well he's the reason

that all this is like there's tension here that to me is you know gross I mean it's kind of the same thing that they did with Arod yeah they made it his fault that they tried to you know drastically underpay him

so yeah I'm giving it to Randy you know, I just, I feel like Randy's accomplishments in Seattle were just a little bit better. I mean, again, era is a little tough, but Randy did, you know, make, you know, two playoff appearances to Felix's none. Randy was involved in, you know, one of the biggest moments in franchise history, two of them actually. You know, the comeback against the Angels and then obviously game five, you know, Felix. has the perfect game. Felix has the

Cy Young Award should have had too. Yeah. And I think Felix probably has the love that Randy never is probably never going to get again from Seattle, which is unfortunate. But I just think Randy Johnson's the better pitcher when he was in Seattle.

And so I'm going to give him the I'm going to give him the nod here over Felix. So I agree with you that Randy is a better overall pitcher. However, I'm going to pick Felix here for the, a similar reason that I picked Eichero, right? That, or well, one of the reasons that I picked Eichero was the fact that Felix, along with Echero, kept the Mariners relevant through some really dark times.

And it's not Felix's fault nor Eitro's fault that the Mariners were really bad during those times. they were the only bright spots they were the only ones that made the Mariners really worth watching for many years and like you said he should have had two Sy Youngs

I still disagree with the Corey Glover choice he had a great year that year as well but Felix was amazing in 2014 but yeah I you know you just you look at his prime I mean

there's very few pictures that you know, and by very few. I mean, there's quite a few. But like in the grand scheme of things, when you think about the amount of pitchers that have come through the major leagues, there are only a few pitchers that have done what Prime Felix Hernandez was able to do.

He was elite. And, um, and he did it all in Seattle. And the city, the fan base in general rallied around him. They love Felix Hernandez. I love Felix Hernandez. Even though that the last,

four seasons of his career in Seattle were not good, you know, really. Like they were garbage. It was it was rough to watch, particularly the last three seasons were absolutely atrocious. But despite all that, the impact that he had on this team, the impact that he had on the city, just the iconic nature of Felix Hernandez, which I think is also kind of, I think we've overlooked this here in this. discussion. You think about the Kings Court and all that stuff. Like Felix Hernandez was not just a really good pitcher, a great pitcher.

He was an iconic pitcher. And I'm not comparing him to Marshawn Lynch, right? But like, for the reason that you picked Marshawn Lynch in your Seahawk Maven Mount Rushmore was because it was partly because he was just so iconic. He was the face of that,

of those Seahawks teams. and there was more to him than just what he did on the field. And that, for me, is kind of similar to who Felix was. There was more to Felix than just what he did on the field. So, yeah. That's why I'm going, Felix here. I strongly disagree with you.

One other name that we should probably throw out there, and it's probably a little too fresh. And I don't think he's one of the four, but just to have his name out there to say we mentioned him, Kyle Seeger kind of similar to Jay Buneer where it's like you know, good player, good player.

Definitely a Mariner Hall of Famer but like he's, that's, that's probably where it stops. It's just Mariners Hall of Famer, you know. Jersey retirement. Although I don't think anybody's worn 19 since Boehner and I doubt anybody will wear 15. Unless.

At least this year. Watch Trevor's story wear it. Chris Bryant. Chris Bryant, 15 runs out to third base on opening day. All right. Real quick, though. What do you disagree with me about Felix?

Strongly disagree. Sure. Straight up, Randy Johnson was better. Randy Johnson played in a better era than Felix Hernandez did. Randy Johnson is actually a Hall of Famer. Felix probably isn't. And honestly, I think that the Marshawn thing is a little bit different because Marshawn, you know, went to the playoffs and won a championship.

Yeah, no, no, no, I wasn't, like I said, I wasn't trying to like directly compare that. That's exactly what you were. I was just saying, like, I was just saying, you know, like the Kings Court and whatnot. There's like, there's like, that's true. That's iconic. There's an iconic nature to Felix. Yeah. Right.

Yeah, yeah, the Kings Court is a good one. yeah I mean that's true that's good point um I don't know man I just I look at those two guys side by side and I go who is more like more mariners like who is like and part of it is I'm trying to get the best players I possibly can and because I still like I said because I'm not going to waste my breath trying to get A rod included on this thing um that kind of leaves the four best players in my opinion in franchise history is Griffey, Edgar, Ichero, and then Randy Johnson. So that's why I'm going with Randy.

Just flat out, he's better than Felix. So I think he's a little more deserving. But yeah, there's no denying that the impact of. And by the way, both of these guys would be off my list if we included Davey House. Probably Lou Penella, although I don't know. So, yeah, like I said, I'm not. And there's probably somebody out there who would put Felix. and and Randy on their list ahead of Ichero.

And I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm just saying I would disagree with you. But I feel like I said. I wouldn't push Itchero off for anyone, even if we had Dave and Lou eligible for this. So you're just going to have Dave, Lou, Ichiro, and Griffey? Because Griffey has to be on it.

Yeah, no, I would have Griffey, Eger, Ichero, and Dave. Oh, okay. Yeah. I think that is the correct answer. If you want to put Randy or Felix in over any of those four guys, for me it would be each hero, but I would not. So let us know what you guys think.

Randy Johnson versus Felix. I have a feeling Felix will dominate this informal poll, which I totally get. But for me, it's it's Randy Johnson. And I think there's enough of a separator that there's probably, like very little chance I'm going to change my my tune on this but hey you know what we'll see if if Felix comes back to the org in some capacity and and you know he's kind of becomes like the ambassador and all that stuff. There's certainly a way that he can put himself, you know,

on Mount Rushmore after he's done playing. Because part of what puts, you know, Edgar and Griffey and Etririot on this list is, you know, what they've done. after they retired with the Mariners. So, yeah, there's definitely a possibility that Felix can get on, but the last three years and just kind of like the refusal to change, that's weighing pretty heavy on my decision making right now. All right. So that's going to do it for our show.

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