Locked On Mariners - Daily Podcast On the Seattle Mariners - Who's the Better Mariners Prospect: Bryce Miller or Emerson Hancock?

Episode Date: January 4, 2023

On today's episode of Locked On Mariners, Colby and Ty shift gears to lay some groundwork for their top 30 prospects reveal show in a few weeks by answering a couple of questions. First, is Emerson Hancock or Bryce Miller the better pitching prospect? Where do we anticipate Felnin Celesten sliding into our ranks? And finally, who are some overrated and underrated prospects in the system?Be sure to follow or subscribe to Locked On Mariners wherever you prefer your podcasts! For questions and other inquiries, email: [e-mail] the show on Twitter: @LO_Mariners | @danegnzlz | @CPat11For more of Ty and Colby, check out their Patreon: patreon.com/controlthezone/Join our Slack!BetOnlineBetOnline.net has you covered this season with more props, odds and lines than ever before. BetOnline – Where The Game Starts! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

On today's episode of Lockdown Mariners, who is the best pitching prospect in Seattle's farm system and who are some sleepers and who are some overrated Mariners prospects? All that and more coming up. Colby hit it. You are Locked on Mariners. Your daily Seattle Mariners podcast. Part of the Locked on podcast network. Your team every day. It is Wednesday, January 4th, 2023. This is Tanya Gonzalez and Colby Patnav for the Lockdown Mariners podcast.

And thank you so much for making us your first listen. and subscribe, like and turn on alerts if you're watching on YouTube or subscribe and leave a five-star review on your preferred podcast platform if you like what you hear. And if you want to hear from us even more, please consider signing up for our Patreon. The link as well as our social accounts is in the description below. We're going to be re-ranking the Mariners Farm System here in a few weeks. So we wanted to begin prep for that by making today's show all about prospects. Here's how we're going to do that. First, we're going to talk about who the best pitching prospect in the Mariners Farm System is.

Is it Emerson Hancock? Is Bryce Miller? We'll be talking about that. Then we'll discuss where Felden Celestine could rank for us when he officially enters the organization in about a little under a couple weeks now. We're getting pretty close to him officially signing. And finally, I'm going to give Colby a few prospects and he's going to tell us whether they're overrated, underrated, or properly rated. But let's talk about the best pitching prospect in the Mariners Farm system right now because there's a bit of a debate going on about that. there's people in the national side of media that believe Emerson Hancock is the best pitching prospect in the Mariner's farm system.

But those that are more involved with the Mariners directly believe it's Bryce Miller. So where do you stand, Colby? It's Bryce Miller and it's not particularly close. Miller stuff is just better. His control and command is surprisingly better. He's closer to the big leagues, which again, surprise. and he's more likely, I would say, to be an impact starter than Emerson Hancock. And he also carries a higher floor because the floor of Hancock is probably mid-reliever.

It's really hard to imagine that Bryce Miller isn't a high-leverage reliever for at least a couple of years if he ultimately can't start. So, yeah, for me, it's Miller. He's just better at everything. You know, Hancock is still a pretty good prospect. You know, I know I've been hard on Emerson Hancock's prospect status, but he's still overall, a very solid pitching prospect. He's not, you know, he's not bad by any stretch, but Miller's just significantly better at just about everything. But the real big difference is the fastball value. Miller has a fastball that gets swings and misses in the zone, which is something that Hancock's fastball just really doesn't at this point. It's not a huge velocity gap between the two either.

It's not like Hancock's, you know, 89, 90, and Miller's 98. You know, both are, you know, in the 95, 96 range, Miller has a little more gas, but not much more. But the fastball just plays up, whether it's the shape or the attack angle or the movement or the run. Like we don't know, I don't know exactly. I don't have the pitch data in front of me, but Miller's fastball is significantly better than Amerson Hancock's. And that's the big difference right now. Yeah, I think, you know, Hancock has the deeper. repertoire, but right now it's not all coming together. And of course, he's dealt with some

injuries and he's had just a weird start to his professional career in general being drafted, you know, in the middle of the pandemic and all that, or really right at the height of the pandemic. And so, and Miller's just had a just an overall better start to his professional career. And also I think that there's a better chance of him being a quality major leagher than Hancock at this point. Because Miller, even if it doesn't work for work out for him in the rotation, there's a high leverage reliever in there. Like a legitimate like potential elite reliever like how we viewed Matt Brash, right?

So at the very least you're getting that out of Miller. I think that's a pretty safe bet at this point. Just seeing the way that he's developed over the last year and a half. Hancock, meanwhile, there's questions. There's questions about his durability. There's questions about his fastball. and there's, you know, there's just questions about how he's going to get

into this rotation in general because there are quite a few guys ahead of him right now. And honestly, I would even say at this point, I'm not saying that he's a worse prospect than Taylor Dullard, but I think there's a non-zero chance that the Mariners view Taylor Dullard ahead of Hancock in terms of just major league viability at this point right now.

So, yeah, there's a lot of, there's a lot of questions with Emerson, Hancock. that should give anyone pause when looking at his profile. I'm still a believer, though, because there are four legitimate pitches. He just needs to get more value out of his fastball because everything begins and ends with that. Right. His best pitch is a change-up, which is really developed nicely over the last few years. Coming out of college, it was actually the slider, but that's almost regressed a little bit. The change-up being your best pitch is fine.

I mean, you can make it work. It was Pedro Martinez's best pitch. It was Felix Hernandez's best pitch. like the change up can be your out pitch it's fine but you have to get value out of the fastball um to set up the change up it's not a pitch that is good enough that you can dominate and he doesn't have the breaking stuff to kind of you know mix the fast but he has to he has to uh you know get value out of the fastball and if he can't find a way to get more swings and misses with it he has to be more pinpoint uh with his command of it and so um you know it's it's entirely possible that

that he's figured something out or he's figuring something out right now. And, you know, in a couple months, you know, you have these two young guys who are both mid-rotation starters. And it's a great problem to have. But we just haven't seen it yet. So, you know, assuming that it's going to happen because of essentially draft stock where these guys were selected, that's a fool's errand because Miller has surpassed Emerson Hancock. And I don't know that it's, I don't know that's all that close. I don't think there's a real debate to be had here. It just Miller's better right now.

Emerson Hancock and, you know, like you said, you're not giving up on Hancock. You're not throwing him away in a trade for, you know, just anything you can get. Because I still do think that there's a good starting pitcher in there, but you got to find it. You got to find something with the fastball. He's, he's already tried, you know, sinkers. He's done two seamers. He's worked with the four seamer. He's got to get better shape on it. He's got to get more extension on the pitch. He's got to get some movement. There's something has to change with the fastball. Because if it doesn't, then the change up, while still good, lacks a lot of the, you know,

it loses some of the teeth of the pitch if you can't counter with a good fastball too. Yeah, if you can't miss bats with a fastball, it's going to impact the rest of your repertoire like Colby is saying. So that has to be his primary goal heading into this year. Now, I alluded to, you know, some folks on the national side of things, viewing Hancock as a legitimate top prospect,

Jim Bowden recently in an article wrote about the Brian Reynolds situation and Hancock being potentially valuable for the or attractive as an asset for the pirates, particularly as a headliner. That's the verbiage that Bowden used with Hancock is a headliner in a Brian Reynolds package. So should teams value him like that? Should the pirates value Emerson Hancock like that? or do you think that Bowden is overblowing this? What do you think is going on here? I don't know how the team, how other teams should value Emerson Hancock

because in particular with the pirates, the pirates are a team that traditionally, this might have changed over the last few years, but traditionally they've placed heavy emphasis on fastballs. They throw a lot of them. And, you know, we've seen guys leave Pittsburgh and, you know, start to use their breaking balls more like Joe Musgrove and Gary Cole and it turns their career around.

So typically Pittsburgh's been very fastball heavy. I don't have the numbers in front of me. I don't know if that trend's continued. But if you're a fastball organization, right, and the guy that you're looking at doesn't have a good fastball, I mean, it would leave me to believe that you probably shouldn't value that guy that highly. But apparently Pittsburgh, at least based on what we've heard, does like Emerson Hancock enough that it's keeping

the Mariners in these trade talks. So I'm not really sure. Maybe they think they can make the fastball better. I don't know how Pittsburgh's going to handle that. And honestly, if you're Pittsburgh, it might not even matter because you probably want both. You probably want Miller and Hancock in this type of deal. So, yeah, it's always tough to know how other teams are going to value, you know, your prospects. But typically speaking, just based on history, Hancock feels like a weird fit for Pittsburgh,

just typically on what the pirates look for in their starting pitchers. Yeah. So, you know, maybe it's a matter of the organization feeling that he's a lot closer than maybe the Mariners do or feeling that they know something that the Mariners don't and can help, you know, Hancock work on that. We'll see. You know, again, the thing that we all have to keep in mind here is that every team views prospects differently than others, right? And no one, you know, no team goes off of the pipeline rankings, the baseball America rating. rankings none of that they all have their in-house not necessarily rankings but you know feelings on certain guys and certain prospects so everyone's differently valued by you know each team so just something to keep in mind there as this you know brian reynolds saga and any other trade you know trade rumors continue to to go around here all right so let's switch gears let's talk about felon celestine who's uh going to be one of the top international uh signings in a couple weeks, prospect signings, a little bit on the older side, but there's a lot of excitement around him. He's going to be entering the Mariners organization, but where could he place in our

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Head to the website today or use your mobile device to learn more. Bet online is where the game starts. You're listening to the Lockdown Mariners podcast. Thank you so much for making us your first listen. So Felnin Celestine, again, a little bit on the older side, but he's officially going to be joining the Mariners organization on January. 15th. A lot of excitement around him. There's been crazy player cops thrown around on him like Francisco Lindor. There was a time where a lot of folks in the Mariners community were saying whenever he

signs, he's going to be number one in this farm system. But that's tie down a little bit here as of late. And ultimately, even though that he's on the older side for the international signing period, he's still 17 years old. So that's a wild card. That's a shot in the dark. We, you know, there's no way to really project a 17-year-old. So Colby, but, you know, knowing that, knowing what the talent is there, because there's a lot of it there. There's a lot of raw talent that Felton and Celestine possesses.

A lot of excitement. Where do you foresee him fitting in your personal Mariners prospect ranks once he officially joins the organization? I would say he's probably going to be three or four. You know, and a lot of that, Felden Celestine's been on our radar forever since, you know, about two years now with the understanding that he was going to sign. So when you have that kind of, you know, attention for so long, you kind of start to nitpick and find, you know, things that maybe aren't perfect. It's called prospect fatigue.

Scouts get it a lot during draft time when they have a, like a high schooler who's been on the draft radar for four or five years. everything gets nitpicked and overanalyzed. So maybe that's what's happening with Feldman. I don't know. I think the big part for me is that he's 17 years old. He hasn't played a lick of professional baseball. We have no idea how he's going to react to this. And so I think it's just kind of a hedge.

But upside ceiling-wise, he's definitely up there with Harry Ford. If both guys reach their ceiling, you know, it's a toss-up. Because both guys at their ceiling stay up the middle and are incredible athletes up the middle and hit, you know, again, playing up the middle, which is a huge thing when you're talking about prospects. So for me, he's probably going to be number three, maybe number four. Just have a hard time imagining that I would feel comfortable putting him ahead of Bryce Miller or Harry Ford without ever seeing him play.

I've never seen him play. So it's a little tough. I'm going off of other people's opinions and I don't have stats. And so the other people whose opinion I trust, they think very highly of him. But again, until I see it, until I see have numbers in front of me, he's probably not going to be number one. And it's going to take a while because he's going to start the year. He's going to start, you know, in the DSL. And until he gets stateside and we start seeing what he does against older competition, it's kind of tough to judge these guys.

You never really know which way they're going to go. Yeah, it's a legitimate toss up here. Like I said, it's a shot in the dark because he's just so young. You don't know how he's going to develop. You don't know how his body is going to develop. And that's really the most important part because that can change his profile immensely. And ultimately, you know, the thing that we're going to have to say when we do our prospect ranks is that, you know, we haven't seen this guy, right? You and I haven't gotten eyes on him.

We're not down there. We're not watching him. You know, we're going off of, you know, words from a guy who knows a guy who knows a guy who knows a guy, right? That's really what we're going off of. And we're going off of a few videos and just kind of making our conclusions from that. And that's just all we have to really work with here. But just, you know, kind of just going off of what we know. I think he's probably going to end up in that, you know, he's definitely going to be top five for sure.

I don't think that I'm going to put him ahead of the likes of Harry Ford and Bryce Miller and maybe even someone like Cole Young for now. But I could, you know, I could see Celesteing quickly rise. I might be a little more conservative on where I place him just because I just don't know a lot about him. I know there's a lot of upside. I just, but I haven't seen that for myself. I can't confirm that myself. So he might end up just being five in my prospect ranks. And that's really not anything against him.

It's just personally, I don't feel comfortable putting him any higher, making any sort of large proclamation like that without, you know, again, confirming it myself. All right. So let's switch gears here. Let's play a little fun game. Colby, I'm going to give you some prospects in the Mariners Farm system right now. It's going to be a wide variety. It's going to be some top guys.

It's going to be some middling prospects. It's going to be guys that might even be outside of most people's top 30s. But I want to ask you if they are properly rated, overrated, or underrated relative to where you see them ranked by other prospect outlets and how you see fans value them, whether it be through our. fan fiction Friday episodes where they're included in trade packages or what have you. So, sound good to you. Not really, but I assume we're going to do it anyway.

We're going to do it anyway. I'm going to force you. Yeah, yeah, I'm going to force you. So it's more of a formality type of thing. Okay. Yeah,

yeah, no, exactly. Exactly. I was just, you know, trying to extend the olive branch here. All right.

All right. Let's, let's begin with Cade Marlowe. A lot of people love Cade Marlowe. He's won awards down in the minor leagues. He's older, of course, but he has hit at every level of the minor leagues this far.

And he's likely going to be quite involved in a competition to make the 26-man roster this spring after being added to the 40-man. So how do you feel about Cade Marlowe, overrated, underrated, or properly rated? Marlowe's interesting. I think he's won the CTZ Award back-to-back years. The minor league award they give, maybe the Edgar Martinez, I can't remember. He's won an award back-to-back-to-back years, the same award. It's basically like best hitter in the U.S. organization. He's overrated. And I think a big part of the reason he's overrated is that

he's got some skills. Don't get me wrong. And certainly the power search that we saw last year is really nice. And it certainly helps his corner outfield profile. You can fake it in center field. He's not great out there. But you know, you can get away with it. He's got good speed. He always has, you know, a lot of contact skills. But he has struck out a lot last year, which is especially concerning considering he's old for the level in double a and triple he's an older prospect so the the fact that you know he's i think he struck out like 40% of the time in a small sample in triple a but it was still you know 28 29% of the time in double a around that so it was not like he was you know just oh well triple a was just a little hard for him and then you figured it out

strikeouts are a big concern if you can't hit minor league pitching with regularity it doesn't leave me to believe that you're going to have much luck against Major League pitching because the gap is so huge. So I think he's overrated. I don't, you know, now again, if the consensus comes out and he's like 22, like, okay, yeah, that's fine. But he is not like, I think I saw one person say he's the top 10 prospect in the organization. No, no, he's not. You can't strike out 35% of the time in the minors and being in the top 10 of anybody's organization. sorry.

Next one, Lizarro Montes, who recently entered the Mariners organization. The reason why I'm asking you this, and I think I know where you're going with this, especially after, you know, what I'm about to say, see a lot of folks saying,

he's the next Yorda and Alvarez. So, properly rated, overrated, underrated. The Yordon comp is ridiculous. I get why it's made. They're both similar size. They're both.

you know kind of future DH only types and and there's a lot of bad speed and power and montez's game so I get it from that perspective but come on you aren't on Alvarez is like the top three or four hitters in all of baseball um no that so that part's ridiculous but based on what I've seen people's ranks they have them in the five to eight nine range somewhere there I think that's about right in the mariner system obviously this there's a lot of things uh Felman Celestein that we just said about Celestine that apply to Montes as well, although Montes does have some pro ball experience at this point now. But no, I think that's right where about where he belongs.

The upside on the bat is significant. It's not 1-8-170 WRC plus significant, but it's pretty significant. So it kind of depends on how he develops in the outfield. I ultimately think he's first base, D.H. only, which does hurt his profile a little. But, I mean, stop with the Yordon stuff. That's nonsense. That's like that's like comparing any prospect in the Marin system to Julio Rodriguez. Like just stop.

Yeah. Those guys don't grow on trees. Just stop. Yeah. He's tall. He's lanky. He's athletic. He's left handed.

He there's a lot of explosiveness and that bat. And he's really energetic. I don't know if you've seen some of the videos of him hitting home runs and celebrating afterwards. He's a fun guy. He's going to be a really fun player if it all works out for him. But yeah, I think he's a little. slightly overrated, but I'll say for the most part, properly rated.

He's a long ways away, too, from the big league. Yeah. Put in the people that say, you know, the Jordan Alvarez stuff aside, I think he's properly rated. All right. Next up, Taylor Dollar, right hand a pitcher. We talked about him a little bit earlier on in the show. What do you think about Dolly? Properly rated? Overrated? Underrated? Based on the number of people who think that he can be traded for Brian Reynolds and our fan fiction Fridays. I would say he's overrated by a lot of Mariner fans. He's the number five. You know, that's what he is. Maybe there's a little bit of upside for number four. Honestly,

to me, he reminds me, not stylistically, but he reminds me a lot of Chris Flexen. Like what you've gotten from Chris Flexen is probably roughly what you're going to get from Taylor Dollar. And we know that Chris Flexen is a valuable player. He's a valuable piece to have on your major league roster. We also know that you can go get another one. You know, so I think Dollar's a majorly quality starter. It's definitely back in for me. He's going to get starts for the Mariners this year at some point, assuming he's not traded. He's an interesting guy.

I mean, he's definitely not a terrible pitcher, and he's not a bad prospect at all. It's just I see people like, oh, well, you know, him and him and Bryce Miller are pretty interchangeable, right? Like, no, not at all. So, yeah, I think to Mariners fancies overrated, I would get. guess just as a whole, again, without seeing all the major outlets, you know, prospect ranks. I don't even think most outlets have those up yet. My assumption is that he's probably going to be in the 7 to 10 range. And I feel like that's about right.

I think I'll probably have him 9 or 10. So I think industry-wise, he's probably properly rated. Mariner fan-wise. I mean, he's not carrying the water in any trade guys. You got to chill on Taylor Dollar. Yeah. I think the thing with Dollar is there, there's some level of certainty there that he's going to be a, you know, a low in number four, number five at the very least. And so that does give him some value. But yeah, at the end of the day, I mean, that only so much value. Right. And he certainly had a very good year in double A. I mean, that's great. But he wasn't good in 2021 at all. So like, what, which, what are you going to believe? And by the way, he's going to be 24, you know, in a month. So it's not like he's, you know, 21 and he's, he's working through some stuff. He's 24.

He should be about ready to go. And, you know, I think he was drafted in the fifth round of the short in 2020 draft. And so, yeah, he was their last pick of that draft. So if you get him to the majors and he's the number five star, that that's, that's a heck of a draft pick. So, but dollar to me, a little bit overrated by fans. He's just, he's just number five. I totally forgot that they only had five rounds. in the 2020 draft.

They still made six picks. Oh yeah, that's right. Yeah, they did. That was a fun draft. Can you name all six players that got drafted? Ooh, all right, so Hancock.

Yep. Dollared, obviously. Levi Stout. God, who was their second round? Was Stout in that one? Yeah, Stout was in that one. Was he the third? I think he was the third round pick, yeah.

Okay. Who was the second rounder? Well, they had a comp round pick and a second rounder. Wait, was that Williamson? Was Williamson on that draft? Or was that the year before? Year before.

Yeah. This is a guy we always make fun of MLB Pipeline for having a ring. Oh, Zach DeLoche. Zach DeLoch. Yeah, Zach Lose. Thank you. Thank you for reminding me. And then their cop pick was traded last winter.

Oh, Connor Phillips. That's right. Yeah. And then the fourth rounder was, your boy. Caden? Yep. There you go.

Was it actually Caden? Was Caden the fourth round pick? Wow. Yeah, pretty sure. Yeah, that's crazy. I'll double check, but I think we nailed it. Brian Wu. He's a lot of fun, man.

He's a lot of fun, but how do you feel he's being rated right now? Is he underrated? Yes. He absolutely is. Brian Wu has a good chance to be in my top five. Yes. And I understand the hesitancy on that because, you know, it was only 16 starts. And you look at the overall numbers.

They're not great. But you know it is great? 84 strikeouts and 57 innings, 98, 99 mile an hour fastball, wipeout slider. There's a high leverage reliever in Brian Wu. And there's a non-zero chance he can start because that changeup really showed some things out of the rotation. I think he's going to start there in AA. I think he's going to have a shot to pitching the big leagues out of the bullpen this year. you know, this is a guy, by the way, first full year off of, off of some major injuries, too.

So he's still kind of building his way back. Brian Wu has exceptional stuff and he's exactly the type of guy that the Mariners turn into something pretty valuable. So I think a lot of people probably have him, you know, 13, 14, somewhere in that range. I think he's going to be inside the top 10 pretty easily for me and maybe even the top five. Brian Wu is a really interesting arm. Love that call. Big Brian Wu guy as well. He's going to be pretty high in my personal ranks as well.

prelander borough up overrated underrated improperly rated how do you feel overrated he's a reliever to me he's one of those guys that just he has really good stuff just can't find the strike zone right you know

those guys are a diamond dozen right and obviously you know there's it's not like he's an imposing size or anything like there's nothing more for him to grow into he's pretty much tapped out physically at this stage and unless the control and command improve significantly, he's a reliever and probably a pretty decent one.

The fastball and slider combo is wicked. He'll make big leacters look foolish on those pitches. To me, there's just so much Diego Castillo in there. And we know how good Diego can be when he's good. When he struggles, oh boy, like turn the TV off. It's going to get ugly. And I just feel like that's who Perlanderboro is. I think he's probably going to be in the top, you know, eight or nine for a lot of people.

To me, because he's a reliever, like, I think it's, I think Prospects Live had him ahead of Emerson Hancock. That's ridiculous. That is absolutely ridiculous. He's nowhere near. He's not even in the same level. And I like Burrow as a prospect. He's a solid prospect. I just think he's a reliever.

So for that reason, he's overrated. What about post-Lander Barrella? Overrated? Underrated? Well, the sequel, as we know, is never as good as the original. So true, true. All right. I threw this one in for a particular reason.

Michael Oroyo infielder, overrated, underrated, properly rated. Again, this is one of those guys that you don't really know where he's ranked. He's underrated. He's the next Edgar Martinez. You heard it here second. No. Do you hear of your second? Yeah.

I actually think he is underrated though. I really do like the hit tool. it's a lot of fun to watch, you know, the clips that we've seen of him. I think he can hit. I think he's going to be, you know, kind of the surprise, like, steal of that draft of that international signing class last year. Whether or not he could stick at third base, I don't know. He's still a shortstop, I think, right now technically,

but I think ultimately he's probably moving to third base. It's going to come down to the power with him. can they extract, you know, average 25 home run power for the position? And if they can, I think he's probably, look, he's a long ways away and a lot can happen. But like, if you ask me like, what's his ceiling, his absolute ceiling? 270, 280, 25 home runs, average third base defense. Like, that's a darn good player. So I feel like Arroyo is probably a little underrated, to be honest.

Isaiah Campbell, underrated to me. Under. Yeah, I think underrated, yeah. Yeah. I think it's pretty clear. A lot of people have written off Isaiah Campbell completely or they've just forgotten about him, right? He's kind of been the forgotten man of that 2019 draft class.

Dude was really good this past year working out of the bullpen. What a great draft class that was, by the way. That was what Kirby, Williamson, Campbell, with your first three picks. Yeah. I see, Kirby is, you know, a dark horse-style young contender. Williamson was able to net you Jesse Winker and A. E. E. E. E. E. Hineo Suarez with some help. And Campbell looks like, you know, a shutdown reliever.

To me, I don't really know how I could justify putting Campbell ahead or behind Perlanderboro. And I think that's pretty much the consensus. But because I think both are relievers, Campbell's better. he's more consistent. He throws way more strikes. You know, his arsenal is just a little bit deeper, which, you know, in relief doesn't matter that much. But we're talking about the split change, the slider, and the fastball for Campbell. Those are all legitimate out pitches for him. And, you know, I think he walked like six guys last year in 40-innings, something like that.

He's underrated. He's going to be very good. And I would bet pretty heavily that he gets some pretty major outs for the Mariners in 2023. Yeah, I think he's going to have a significant. an impact on this bullpen. He's going to be like that guy, the one guy that really comes out of nowhere for a lot of people and becomes a major part of that bullpen by years in. When we do our like, because inevitably we'll get to this idea, like five dark horse candidates to make the Mariners roster out of spring training. Isaiah Campbell's probably number one or two. Yeah. It's just, that's what we're talking about.

Pulled up the numbers real fast here. it was 65 innings, walked 18, struck out 79, 179 ERA. Yeah, Campbell, again, just different, man. Yeah, he's a dude. Yeah, he's a dude. And I wouldn't be shocked at all if Campbell comes up, and he's the third high leverage arm that they need at some point.

I wouldn't expect it right away. but you know kind of like Andres Munoz you kind of ease them into it and you know you gets more comfortable and then lights out like that wouldn't shock me. Yeah. I wouldn't bet on it, but it wouldn't shock me. At the very least, I think he's going to be Penn Murphy this year. At the very least. I would say Matt Festive. Like sure.

Yeah. Even a little bit better than Murphy. So yeah. All right. I got a couple more names here that I want to quickly go over. All right. Axel Sanchez. Underrated.

Super underrated. Top 10 easy. Yeah, Jerry DePoto himself has said that he's underrated. He has a chance to take that Edwin Arroyo jump this year. For real. Yeah. Yeah. Totally agree with that.

Juan Pinto, favorite of yours. Underrated. Yeah, I knew it. I already knew what your answer was going to be. He's a tall, thin lefty who's adding weight but already throws 91, 92 with a pretty good curveball. Like, yeah, I'm in. There you go. Lastly, Starlin Aguilar.

I know you have some feelings on him. I don't think he's a big leaguer personally. Yeah, it's also like, where is he going to play? There's a lot of questions about that, questions about the bat, all that stuff. So, yeah, by the way, I think he's a bit overrated. Yeah, the ceiling comp on Aguilar, I don't know if you remember this. We were like, could you be Raphael Devers? Yeah, no.

And that's why when you hear like, oh, Felman Celestine is Francisco Lindor like, hmm. Yeah. Let's pump the brakes there a little bit. Let's chill out a little bit, folks. Those are upside comps. Like, they're not what people actually think if everything goes right. But yeah.

Yeah, it's the 100 percentile comp. It's like, you know, when Kelnick was coming up, it was like Grady Seismore and all this stuff. You know, Bryce Harbor. Right. Yeah. You know, Julio was like, Julio. He hit that comp though. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Sometimes you do hit the ceiling. Yeah. Again, exception to the rule. Right. Right, right. Right. Yeah. That whole conversation.

Yeah. If Agar makes my top 30, it's going to be 27, 28, 29th, somewhere in that range. So. Yeah. And like, you know, he's not overrated, I would say, and necessarily in terms of like pipelines rankings, they have him like 20, I think, or like 19 or something like that. That's fine. Yeah.

It's a bit high for me. But, okay. Like, it's a big year for him, though. That's what I would say. Sure. It's a really big year for him. He's still really young. I think he's 19.

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