Locked On Mariners - Daily Podcast On the Seattle Mariners - Why the Seattle Mariners SHOULD (But Won't) Trade For Ketel Marte | Mailbag Monday

Episode Date: November 10, 2025

The Seattle Mariners face a pivotal offseason as rumors swirl around the potential blockbuster return of former Mariner and current Diamondbacks superstar Ketel Marte. Could Jerry Dipoto and Justin Hollander pull the trigger on a franchise-altering trade? Ty Dane Gonzalez and Colby Patnode break down Marte’s contract details, Arizona’s trade motivations, and the hefty prospect package likely required to bring the All-Star back to Seattle.Check out our Patreon!Follow the show on Twitter: @LO_Mariners | @TyDaneGonzalez | @CPat11Follow the show on Bluesky: @lockedonmariners | @tdg | @mlbcolbySupport Us By Supporting Our Sponsors!PrizePicksDownload the PrizePicks app today and use code LOCKEDONMLB to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup.PrizePicks — Run Your Game.Click Link Here: https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/LOCKEDONMLBGametimeDownload the Gametime app, create an account, and use code LOCKEDONMLB for $20 off your first purchase. Terms apply. Download Gametime today. What time is it? Gametime.FanDuelToday's episode is brought to you by FanDuel. The NBA and NFL seasons are here, visit the FanDuel App today and start planning your futures bets now.FANDUEL DISCLAIMER: 21+ in select states. First online real money wager only. Bonus issued as nonwithdrawable free bets that expires in 14 days. Restrictions apply. See terms at sportsbook.fanduel.com. Gambling Problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit FanDuel.com/RG (CO, IA, MD, MI, NJ, PA, IL, VA, WV), 1-800-NEXT-STEP or text NEXTSTEP to 53342 (AZ), 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org/chat (CT), 1-800-9-WITH-IT (IN), 1-800-522-4700 (WY, KS) or visit ksgamblinghelp.com (KS), 1-877-770-STOP (LA), 1-877-8-HOPENY or text HOPENY (467369) (NY), TN REDLINE 1-800-889-9789 (TN) Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

A former mariner turned superstar might be hitting the market this winter. Could the mayor swing a deal to reunite with him? I'll answer that and more coming up here on Mailbag Monday. Colby, hit it. You are Locked-on Mariners. Your daily Seattle Mariners podcast. Part of the Locked-on Podcast Network, your team every day. Ahoy, Sailors.

It is Monday, November 10, 2025. This is Tadang Azales and Colby Patnode for the Locked-on Marriss Podcasts podcast, part of the Locked-on Podcast Network, now the number one sports podcast network. We're going to be opening up the mailbag and answering some of your Marriss questions like we do here every Monday. But before we do, want to shout out our title sponsor today, Game Time. Download the GameTime app, create an account, use the promo code Locked-on MLB. That's L-O-C-K-E-O-N-M-L-B for $20 off your first purchase on Game Time. All right, let's kick things off here with a question from Tom.

this morning. Bob Nightingale reported that the Diamondbacks are quote unquote definitely motivated to move Catel Marte, but the package will be large. With the M's bite, given the long trade history with Arizona, what does a package look like from the M's side?

Yeah, Catel Marte, obviously one of the best hitters in baseball, one of the best offensive players in baseball, still a pretty good athlete. He's 32 years old, and he does have at least five years of club control remaining. So that might scare off the Mariners a little bit, but I don't think it will. He's only making $16 million in 2026.

Then it goes down to $12 million in 2027, and then it jumps up to 22, 22 for the last three years. And then there's a player option for 11.5. Who knows? We can't predict if he's going to pick that up six years from now. But, yeah, so overall it's five years, $90 million. And that is a steal. for a player of Marte's magnitude. Even if you only get a couple good years out of him,

the thing with big contracts, this isn't even a big contract, but the thing with big contracts is you can trade them now. Like they're not the albatross they used to be. You could trade Giancarlo Stanton. Okay, like you can trade these big salary deals. You're not going to get a ton in return always, but who cares?

The whole point is to win in 26 and 27. And Marte certainly helps you do that. He will be, if he has moved, he will be, I think, the best player that changes teams this year, better than Kyle Tucker even. And obviously, you don't have to give them $400 million. So, yes, I'm interested. I think the Mariners should be as well. I don't know for sure that they will be, but I think they probably will be.

And, yeah, obviously the Mariners and the Diamondbacks make a lot of trades. They just made two a couple months ago. So I certainly think that helps. And I certainly think that if Marte is a. available, the Mariners will inquire. At the very least, they will inquire. They have holes at second base, and they have holes at third base. Marte could fill either of those very nicely.

So, yes, there are some road bumps here, including the large package that is apparently required to, you know, acquire Marte, and that makes sense. So what does that look like from a mariner's perspective? They're probably asking for Colt Emerson. They're probably asking for Kate Anderson. However, the Diamondbacks are kind of in a weird spot. where they just gave Perdomo an extension, the shortstop.

They are pretty committed to Jordan Lawler, who's going to play third base for them. And then they have, oh, what's his name, Tommy Troy, I believe is his name. Yeah, yeah. At second base, who former first round pick, he crushed it in the high minors. He's going to play second.

They don't really have room for Citeau-Martin. Now, obviously, it's not the worst thing in the world. They just leave, yeah, Tommy Troy in AAA for a minute. But they do have, you know, kind of the young infielders in place, guys that they trust. And we do know that they are apparently looking to shed salary. And they're not going to do it by trading Corbyn Carroll, right? So Marte is the guy who makes the most sense because you're not going to trade Rodriguez, Eduardo Rodriguez.

You're not going to trade Corbyn Burns. Nobody's going to take on that contract at that point. price so marty is the next logical guy what does it look like from marris perspective if you don't want to trade emerson if you don't want to trade anderson i think it's pretty tough to get a deal done here yeah unless you want to trade bryce miller maybe if you want to get brice because just the mariner's and the diamondbacks like in terms of what the diamondbacks would want prospect wise they don't line up that great right your best prospects are in uh infielders the diamond backs infields already young and, you know, trying to establish themselves.

They're probably not going out of time of competition. The Diamondbacks have two good young catchers. So Harry Ford doesn't really fit here. So you really need outfield prospects. And the Mariners, Lazz is fine, but I don't think they're going to trade Cotel Marte for a Las Montes lead package. So it's really pitching is what you have to offer. And I think something like Bryce Miller and Las Montes probably gets the conversation going.

Remember, it's five years, at least, of Cetel Marte. So I think it's something like Miller and Laz get you in the conversation. Will the Mariners want to do that? I don't know. I wish I could tell you, but I don't know. But do the Mariners be interested? Yes. Do the Mariners and the Diamondbacks have a good relationship in terms of trade talks?

As far as we know, yes. I mean, they just pulled off two trades a couple months ago. So I'm interested. I would have these conversations. Would I move Colt Emerson for Citele? no yes it's another one of these things where it's something that they've never done before so

I'll believe it when I see it like but they've also never been eight outs away from the World Series yes but also it's it's not just committing significant prospect capital in the steel it's also committing significant dollars to a guy you know past his age 35 season That doesn't seem like something the mares would do. The tricky part with this offseason is that the mariners have never been this close. And how much do they actually value taking that next step and going to the World Series and trying to win the World Series and how much of this momentum do they want to maintain?

Because I tell you what, if you trade for Talmartay this winter, momentum extended. Like that is as big of a deal as you can possibly make unless you trade for like Scoobble, but even then. uh so yeah i mean i would i would argue that marty would be even more of a needle mover than scubal yeah because not because you're not only getting him for just one you know bite at the apple right plus the difference between like cole young as your opening day second basement versus you know can tell martay and the difference between like louis cascio and terrick school yeah yeah well still you know massive is not yeah it's not the same so it's not the same yeah they should absolutely be interested. I'm interested. Again, I just, if you're not willing to trade Colt Emerson,

if you're not willing to trade Kate Anderson, I don't think the Mariners are, but maybe it's different because Marta has so many extra years of club control. But I don't think they are. If you're not willing to do that, then it's probably Bryce Miller or Brian Wu. And that is dicey for me. So we'll see. But yeah, it was just about prospects. Fine. Do it. But I don't think it's going to be, but maybe I'm wrong. Obviously, it's Nightingale. you know so you got to take it with a grain of salt but it does make sense for the diamondbacks to want to trade marty at this point because his 10 and 5 rights kick in in April which means that he automatically gets a full no trade clause because he has 10 years of service and he spent five consecutive seasons with the same team so and apparently that's what nightingale brought up as a main reason the diamond backs are interested in trade Marte and so that makes sense given where the diamondbacks are at right now that that does make sense so I actually kind of feel like Marte might wind up being on the move this winter will it be

to Seattle again I have major doubts because of the money I would say that from a roster fit standpoint a fit of who has the capital to get this done is that who is in their window yeah to you know make this make sense the Mariners check every single box every box it's perfect except for the ownership one all right we have quite a few more questions of yours to answer in just a moment we we spent that whole first segment talking about catel marty so got a lot more questions to yeah of course but we got quite a few more questions to go over here in just a moment but first a reminder of this episode of the locked on error's podcast is brought to you by fan duel and doer the NBA is back and there's no better place to get in on the action than fan duel the official

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It's mailbag Monday. Let's get back into your questions. Ross wants to know, let's say Colt Emerson absolutely destroys in spring training. Do you think the Marys will prioritize going for the extra pick if he wins rookie the year or have him, quote unquote, work on his defense for a month to gain an extra year of control? What would you each do if given the choice? I mean, it all comes down to what are my other options, right? If Ben Williamson is my alternative, then yeah, why not?

give Colt the keys and see where he takes this thing. Right. Yeah. First thing's first, though. Like, the Mariners don't actually have to use the work on his defense thing. I know that's more of a meme right now than anything else. But the dude is legitimately 20 years old who played like six games in AAA.

So like the idea like, hey, we actually want to wait and see like how he looks in an extended period of AAA. Like there is some validity to that. Um, so it's not just a pure like, oh, we'll call them up on April 14th type of thing, but, uh, I get that that's mostly a meme now, but no. And I've, and I've, and I've said that when talking about Cole Emerson over the last couple weeks. Right. Right. Right. I'm just meaning. Like just, yeah, right. Um, yeah. Um, yeah. I think it is, it depends on what you, like, if you go out and you get Catel Marte and, and, you know, um, I don't even know, like, Brennan Donovan and like, okay, there's really not a reason to put him up here, uh, that early. But. Yeah, I think it's possible. It's not going to be about the numbers, as we say, every spring. It's not about how well you hit at the Cactus League. You have to play the part of a big leaguer. And like Scott Service used to say famously, before Jared Kelnick hit a home run,

and he was not, you know, when he did not make the opening day roster that year, the players will tell you when they're ready. And, you know, you have to kind of get that moment from Colt. You have to get that vibe. Yeah, there's really not much of a reason not to do it. If he shows, if you feel like he is. ready for that challenge. Again, I think Cole Young had that opportunity heading into this last spring training,

but unfortunately he got hurt. He didn't get to play for a little while, and that just kind of ended every shot he had of doing it. But I assume the Mariners will enter this offseat or this next spring training, I should say, with an idea that Emerson can earn his way to the opening day roster and we'll just have to see if he takes it or not. So if it's close, I would rather just send him down. and you know not worry about the draft pick and all that but if he

if he shows that he's clearly ready to go then you really don't gain much by or you really don't lose much by giving him you know four to six weeks at the big league level and just see how he performs and how he looks and all that because you could always send him back down with very little risk yeah and again like if you need an example of this just point to Julio right like they've been willing to do this before. So if they think that Colts ready, I think they'll pull the trigger on that. Because again, like, it's not, it really isn't a matter of like working on his defense, quote unquote, which again is just the beam, right? Like, there is legitimate reason to just keep him

down on the miners. But if they think that he's ready, I think they would do it. Like, they have shown the willingness to do that in the past. They didn't have to call him up to AAA. They didn't have to, you know, put them on the taxi squad or anything like that. And like, and like you talked about when they did that, I think that was for this specific reason. Right. Was to legitimately get him ready to compete for a spot on the 26th man roster

in spring. Yep. So yeah. Yeah. So I would absolutely do it. I think the bears would absolutely consider it as well. But again, it just depends on what the alternatives are. If it's Ben Williamson, then sure. If it's

Brennan Donovan and Cole Young at second, then probably not. Next question here from D. Panky, if Jerry and Justin were only allowed to talk to three GMs at this week's GM meetings, what three teams GMs would you choose them? Why? Right, at least in light of recent events, the Diamondbacks. Yep. So my case. Yeah. The Tigers. Yeah. Yep. Who's their GM? What's this name? Jeff Greenberg. There you go. And I guess just because why not, the Tampa Bay raise.

Of course, of course. So, yeah, I mean, you got to figure out if you can, you know, shop at the top of the market, the trade market or not. Like, is Ketel-Marté available? Okay, what is it going to cost us? Like, what is the baseline here we can work off of? Is Terrick Scoobel available? Are you guys actually willing to trade him? If so, okay, we're interested.

You tell us what it's going to cost and we'll work from there. I have to get those two things done because those two players would change the outlook of my entire offseason. So I want to get those done or I want to have an idea at least of like what I, what it's going to cost me. I want to have an idea of that ASAP because it will not only money wise, but who I go after in free agency and, you know, the degree to which I'm on the trade player X will matter if I feel like I can land one of those two guys. So those are the two big prizes on the trade market. those are the two teams I have to talk to. And then the raise, you know, like they got a lot of bullpen arms that I'd be interested in. Yondi Diaz would be interesting.

Brandon Lau would be interesting. Like, I think the race are just a team in general that you always want to talk to. Although maybe because you talk to them so much, you don't need to talk to them this weekend. It's like, yeah, you know, I'll catch up later. Maybe it's a team like San Francisco or a team that you think you might be traded, or San Diego. That team you think you might trade Luis Castillo too, might be the other option. here but the first two are pretty easy you're talking to arizona you're talking to detroit yeah uh i would also throw heme bloom out there with the cardinals um yeah yeah

it's probably number three yeah yeah see where his heads at obviously it seems like the the cardinals are heading for a retooling a rebuild of some kind so uh you know just start to you get those talks going on maybe like alec burleson brennavon because like also you need to put in some and we'll talk about this a little later on i think as well but you need to put in some safeguards here in case like you don't get josh nailer so like alec burleson again like maybe maybe do some work on him um donovan you know new bar if you have any uh interest in him check in and see if he's interested in trading mason when i do that i cannot hit but he is a lot of fun to watch he's a lot of fun he is a lot of fun yeah so uh yeah

you know checking on all that checking on some of the relievers like jojo romero Riley O'Brien What's the other guy? Matt Sfanson Yeah, I'll check in on him So yeah Heck, how much money are you willing to eat In the Sunny Gray contract?

Especially if I think I'm getting my trade Luis Yeah Nolan Aaron and I don't We're good. I'm good Yeah, I'll pass But yeah, the Cardinals for sure,

Ray is for sure But again, like they've talked to the race so much Yeah Do they really need a talk in person? Yeah. Yeah, I think, yeah, I think the third team is St. Louis. Because they're a team that's going to rebuild. They have major league pieces, and they are looking for prospects, particularly, like, specifically, they're looking for prospects.

And that's what you want to trade. So I think it's, I think the correct answer is Arizona, Detroit, and St. Louis. Yeah, maybe Minnesota. Also, yeah, they'd probably be fourth or fifth. All right. Next question here from MJFB80 or Matthew. over unders for the start of 2026 opening day for the M's so how many of these guys are going to be on the roster basically so let's start with this one four and a half of the current starting rotation so basically are they going to

trade anyone from the starting rotation yes yeah I'm going to go under I'm going to say Luis Castillo gets traded at some point this one or yes I wouldn't say it's like I wouldn't say it's like yeah obviously the odds are good enough that I would take the under on this but it's not like a sure thing yeah uh three and a half a bizardo brash munios inspired i'm actually going to hammer the over on this i don't think there's any chance that any of those guys get traded this winter yeah i'll take the over i think they're just going to look to continue to build on that group this winter frankly uh and help support them a bit more than they did this year uh one and a half of polo nailer and gino i'm actually going to take the under

I think only one of them is back Yeah agreed Which one? No, I don't know Either Naylor or Polo Probably I would guess Naylor but his market might explode to the point That Polo makes more sense but yeah Only one of them more than likely

0.5 of Randy and JP I'm gonna take the over I think they're both back Yeah I mean like Certainly one of them is back So that's the easiest over Yeah on the list yeah and then four and a half of your top five prospects in the system so for for us our midseason rankings were emerson anderson farmello sloan and montes so i think all five of those guys are back based on our list i would say over uh based on like m lb pipelines list i would probably say under yeah what's i think they're only they have harry ford i think at number four Okay. Yeah. And again, I'm not saying it definitely going to trade Harry Ford, but I think they were definitely willing to do it this summer. So I think the mayors will look more at the Sanja, Royo, Ford, you know, Feldman side of things, Laz included. But I don't think they'll actually trade Las quite yet. So yeah, I guess I would, by our top five, I would take the over.

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support the show, we have a Patreon. It's called Control the Zone and on there we talk, Mayors, Seahawks, all that good stuff. For more information, patreon.com forward slash control the zone link in the description we're going to be putting the finishing touches on our offseason plan over there on the patreon before we presented to you guys here on lockdown probably early next week i would expect probably tuesday wednesday sometime in there so be on the lookout for that but if you want to hear the off season plan a little earlier than that i don't know over to the patreon uh o line coach c once a don't assume the ms

Don't land Naylor or Polanco is something like O'Hern and Glaber Torres, a viable alternative. Sure. Yeah, sure. Would the mayors go out and address both of those needs of free agency? Is that likely? Probably not. But like in general, or both of those guys viable replacements for Jorge Polanco and Josh Naylor? Sure. Yeah. Ryan O'Hern this year, especially like hit lefties better than a hit righties, which is an interesting development. actually two of the last three years he's hit lefties pretty well.

So that's interesting to me. And he was pretty good even after getting traded to San Diego and playing in a little bit of a tougher ballpark. So yeah, I like O'Harn. Glaber doesn't strike out much. He walks. He's a good fit for the mayor's. I don't think he wants to be in Seattle,

but he feels like more of an East Coast guy. But I don't know, money talks. So yeah, if you pivot, then those are two. really good pivots sure yeah yeah think that could work yeah um but yeah it doesn't have to be o'herne like it could also be alec bralison like i mentioned earlier it could be johnny diaz yeah so we'll see you have options at first base if nalers market gets too big yeah all right daisy and the dingo wants to know what do you guys think of railies and can zones respective trade values could one of them net your rental high leverage arm they feel redundant on this roster

that's because they are redundant on this roster like we talked about it at the trade deadline and like as we saw over the course of the season when both of them were on the roster it made no sense it didn't work so yeah um I think

Rayleigh is someone that would appeal to the White Sox the Rockies the and maybe even some you know competitive teams as well yeah Yeah. But, you know, teams that are looking to, to, that have a spot open to give some at-bats to a guy to rebuild his value and then maybe flip him at the deadline or next winner. Right. And presumably, or not presumably, but like, well, yeah, presumably the teams that you're talking about also with like a player who's not making a lot of money because it's such a low risk. And that certainly would include Naylor or sorry, Naylor, Rayleigh and or Kanzone. So yeah, they are redundant. need one of them. Ideally, neither of them are in your opening day starting lineup because you've

added so much depth that whoever is left is on the bench. But whatever, in reality, one of them will be in your opening day lineup. And yeah, the other one, I don't think you can get a high leverage reliever. No. I think you're, I think you're looking at a guy who maybe could be with the tweak or two. Like, you're looking to take another shot, I think. I think what you're looking for. And this may or may not be in our off season plan is like the luke raleigh of relievers right who's a guy that had a couple of good years in the past but it's coming off of a down year and you want to make a challenge trade on so we'll have an example of that in our off season plan some of you already know about that uh but yeah i think that's what you could realistically get for luke raleigh if you're looking for a major league piece in return yes it is a massively scaled down montero for paneda yeah type of deal Can zone, I have no clue. I would say this. I would rather have Luke Rayleigh next year than Dom Canzone.

I just think the other 29 teams will agree with me. And so that makes trading Rayleigh much more likely, I think, than trading Canzone. Because Rayleigh, you know, before this year where he had, he had a couple of different injuries that really kind of drained his wasted his entire year. The last two years, he also had some eyesight things as well. Right. That he now gets to work through the entire offseason. But the previous two years, he was really good, very good player. Yeah, even as a platoon guy, very good platoon guy. So I would rather bank on that if I were the Mariners than Dom Canzon's 250 plate appearances from the regular season.

But I think other major league teams will agree. So you're probably much more likely to get something interesting for Rayleigh than you are Canzone. Plus, Rayleigh's not a terrible defender. Whereas Canzone, well, you all saw it. You all saw it. Yeah. We don't need to pile onto Dom, but you all. all watched. Yeah, I mean,

Dom, Tom had a good year, so I don't want to pile on. Yeah, the end of it sucked. But, yeah, Rayleigh, yeah, Rayleigh, I mean, we're talking about two, you know, back-to-back-129 WRC plus seasons for Rayleigh. This year, obviously down year, but you can easily

point to injuries and eyesight issues and all that. He should be healthy again, you know, come opening day. He should have, you know, work through some of the eyesight stuff as well come opening day. So he should be in a pretty good spot to bounce

back. I think he's a great bounce back candidate. So And he hits a T-Mobile Park. Yeah. So I wouldn't I'm not in the boat even though that he is going to get traded in our off-season plan. Spoiler alert. I'm not really in the boat

of like, we just need to trade Luke Raleigh. No. But I don't think you can have CanZone and Raleigh on the same roster. they can't coexist so one of them has to go uh all right daisy and the dingo has another question for us last question of the day would you guys like to see the ms leverage their ballpark to attract pitchers in need of pillow contracts more some names that come to mind this year woodruff gallon imanaga mali merrill kelly gilito etc etc etc etc etc um i mean yes but like the problem is

those guys aren't going to sign up to be what a six starter swing man in the bullpen like right now your your rotation is set now if you trade louise castillo then cool now you have a spot open for one of those guys but then we get into the conversation that we've been having a lot over on the patreon when talking about our off season plan we've talked about this a little bit on on here as well on locked on how much of the money that you're saving on a castillo trade are you reinvesting into the rotation like does that even make sense for you to do are you are you actually getting better and using that money the right way.

Also, by the way, just on your list there. Gowan, IMAGA, and Woodruff all got QOs, so they're out. The Mariners are not going to give up draft picks to sign one year of any starting pitcher, really any player. So, I mean, pillow contracts can be multiple years, but they're usually not. It's usually a one year to get back out there thing. So the top end guys that you mentioned, they're out on that regard. Like, if you're signing those guys, you're doing it because you're,

you want multiple years of that player. You're not looking for a pillow contract in that case. And the thing with like Malley injured, you know, Gialito says he's going to be healthy this year. Yeah, we'll see. But yeah, I think when you get to the Malley, Kelly, Gellita, I mean, Kelly doesn't need a pillow contract. He's pretty good. Yeah. And he's also like 35, I think.

Yeah. Like he's an older, he's an older guy. So he's looking for, you know, the best deal he can get. but Gialito and like Nestor Cortez and Walker Bueller or maybe a Dustin May, like, yeah, those are the type of guys that start to make more sense on a pillow contract. So I don't want them to do it just to do it. But if they do have an opening, like if they trade Luis Castillo, I would prefer that they find a pitcher who's as good or better than Luis Castillo.

And you feel good that that player is going to be better or as good as Louise Castillo. But yeah, if you're going to at that point, if you're if you can't get that done or you want to take a shot on a guy, yeah, then the mayor. do have a really good pitch and they probably will have you know their pick so to speak of the guys who are actually looking for a pillow type of contracts because it's the best situation for those guys to go to and if you're looking to replace louis cassio with someone who's as good or better you're going to have to do that via trade you're going to have to trade for someone who's either pre-arb or is in the early stages of arbitration right there's no there's no way that

you're going to achieve that a free agency where it actually makes sense. Unless you get lucky. Like you're like, oh, we have Dustin May $5 million and then he breaks out for you. Sure. But like someone that I can say is as good or better than Luis Castillo at the time that I acquire him. Right.

Because like if that's like Merrill Kelly, it's like, okay, well Kelly's going to make $18 million. You're really not saving much. Which might be the maximum that I can save on a Castillo trade. Yeah. Right.

So. Yeah, there's a situation where it makes a ton of sense and I see them doing it. Yeah, yeah, we've talked about this in the past, though. It's just like when we've talked about adding some real starting pitching depth, you know, and that's less so, you know, the guys that you mentioned here more so like fringe going to sign minor league contract with a spring training invite type of typing dudes. They don't have, yeah, but if like they don't have a clear shot at making the rotation, they're probably just going to go sign with like. the White Sox or the Rockies or yeah the pirates whoever right like so they can actually have a shot to maybe that's Rockies because like who wants to yeah course field but like I need a pillow contract to get back out on the market next year let's go to Colorado

yeah yeah yeah the the Rockies were a bad example but like you know some of those bottom of the barrel teams that that have a rotation spot open and they'll be willing to trade them at the deadline to an actual contender if they if they pop off yeah All right. That is going to do it for our show. Thank you so much for joining us here on the Lockdown Marrars podcast. Part of the Lockdown Podcast Network, your team every day. Colby Pat Node, I'm Tadigazales. Be sure to give us a follow on Twitter at L0 underscore Marrars.

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