Locked On Mariners - Daily Podcast On the Seattle Mariners - Why the Trade Market Is 'Primed' For a Mega Deal + Mariners Draft Breakdown w/ Joe Doyle

Episode Date: July 22, 2025

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Joe Doyle tells us why he thinks the Mariners may have just had their best draft ever under Scott Hunter coming up here on the Lockdown Eras podcast. You are Locked on Mariners. Your daily Seattle Mariners podcast. Part of the Locked on podcast network, your team every day. Ahoy, Sailors. It is Tuesday, July 22nd, 2025. This is Tadda Gazzalas for the Lockdown Marys podcast. Part of the Lockdown Podcast Network, your team every day.

As always, if you want to hear from me and my co-covee even more and help support the show, you can check out our Patreon. All you have to do to check that out is click the link in the description of this episode. On today's show, we're talking draft, we're talking farm system, and we're talking trade deadline with the one and only Mr. Joe Doyle. Let's get into it. Jumping back on with us is Joe Doyle, a future star series and overslot, the MLB draft podcast.

It's only been a couple weeks. We last talked with you, Joe, but obviously a lot's happened since. So, yeah, looking forward to diving a bit more into this marriage draft and also talk a little bit about the farm leading up to the deadline with you. Yeah, man. Good to be back. Shoot, been doing this show for like four or five years. I love you guys. For sure.

And we love the insight that you bring, as always. You know, you were just on with TJ and Lyle on the Marine Layer podcast. So I don't want to just rehash that interview. Everyone should check that out. You talked a lot about the mayor's top picks on there. So Colby and I want to talk a little bit more about some of the deeper cuts in this draft. But first, just kind of like an overall type of question here. When we last had you on, we talked about the large bonus pool and all the options the

mayor's had available to them. How well do you feel they navigated that in the end? Yeah, I mean, I said on that other podcast with T.J. and Lyle that I think this is the best draft that Scott Hunter has put together in his time, at least in the time that I've been seriously covering it going back to 2018. I think this is the most complete draft that they have thrown together. I think there's ceiling, there's floor, there's upside, there's varying demographics, Seattle filled holes in the organization that they needed to fill.

Even though that's not something you actively go out to do, you know, going and grabbing three college catchers to provide you the leverage to move Harry forward, if that's what you want to do, is a very, very sound way to go about acquiring players. So, yeah, I think from just a process and talent acquisition standpoint, best draft I've seen from Scott Hunter so far. And it's especially impressive because this is not the best draft class, like the best draft in general that we've seen. Not that it really matters and ultimately, you know, the way that things played out is my preference. But do you have a sense of what they were going to do had Cade not fall into them? three? Everything I was hearing, even from inside the organization, the night prior was it was going to be a

bidding war between Seth Hernandez and Tyler Bremner. They were both represented by the same agency, two different agents, but they were represented by the same agency. I ultimately think that Tyler Bremener was going to be the pick. I think he was going to be a massive underslot deal at three. I know that Kylie reported something similar the next night after I posted that final mock draft. So it was being talked about in multiple different avenues. So yeah, it would have been interesting to see what Seattle would have done with all that extra money. I mean, they would have probably saved $1.2 million more than they saved on Kate Anderson. And I just, I almost struggled to find the high school prospects that they would have been able to acquire with all that money.

you got to spend it. So yeah, I think it would have been Bermner. You think they would have maybe taken the shot on Appenzeller then? You know, I've heard Appenzeller's number is like $4.5 million. I really don't think there's going to be much that's going to sway him away from Tennessee. I actually think the reason they took Appenzeller in the 19th round was because he was one of the few, like, massive dollar prospects that was even left on the board as an insurance policy. So I don't think Appenzeller with 35 or 57 was actually going to be the, you know, the practice.

Gotcha. Colby, what you got for Joe? Yeah. I'm really curious about the two pitchers Seattle took, not Kate Anderson. I feel like we have a pretty good idea of who Kate Anderson is. But Griffin Hugis and Mason Peters. I know you're pretty high on Peters relative to the reaction of most others. But what can you tell us about these two?

guys, why are they marinery, for lack of a better term? Yeah, I mean, they're certainly, they are conventionally marinary. I mean, if you go back and look at the 2024 draft, it was actually kind of stunning to me that Seattle went so heavy on the sinker ballers, the heavy fast ballers. At the top of the drafts at, you know, rounds 11 through 20, they were taking guys that could really sink the ball, which isn't really what they've had a lot of success with in the last you know, go back to Kirby Gilbert, like they're not sinker ballers, they're four seamer guys. Hugis is that, 6-2-190. Fastball really blows up at the top of the zone.

So it's a lower than league average slot and it still carries over the top, you know, seam orientation. So, you know, it's this sort of thing that has made Bryce Miller successful. It's the sort of thing that has made Brian Wu successful. Now, Brian Wu, and I've said this elsewhere, is such an outlier from a launch trait, perspective. I'm not going to make that comparison at all. But I would say, like, Griffin Hugus is, maybe a budget jacked lighter type of a player where it's not the best frame. It's not the biggest guy in the world, but he can generate value with the fastball alone. And, you know, if you would have asked me at the end of March or early April, Griffin Hugus was a type of guy that was going to go at the

back of the second round. He was getting that sort of steam. So fatigued a little bit as the year went on and I think it pushed him into that third or fourth round range for most teams. But still, I think this is like the prototype that Seattle has done well developing. Mason Peters, I was just, I missed. I totally missed on Mason Peters. I had him way lower on my board. He was on my board, but way lower. Dallas Baptist was a school that was very, very difficult to crack the rotation this year.

They were stacked in the rotation. And, you know, Peters at the beginning of the season was pitching out of the season was pitching out of the eighth inning. So it's left-handed. It is kind of undersized at 5-11. Fastball's up to 97 with serious hop, and it is an absolute hammer breaking ball, hammer curve ball, up to 86, 87 miles an hour. So it's two pitches mostly right now. The thing that I'm going to be interested with Peters is, you know, he's 5-11, but he gets well above average extension. He has flashed a cutter and a change-up in the past. So, you know, we'll see whether or not Seattle wants to give him the opportunity to pitch in a rotation or

if he's just going to move quickly into a seventh or eighth inning role. And if that's the case, I think he could be in Seattle at the end of 2026 if they just think he's a bullpen arm. So my Tim Collins comp, little unfair. Little light, yeah, a little bit bigger arm than that. But, yeah, I mean, you're talking about that sort of a role. Sure. Nice. I want to talk a little bit about Corbyn Dickerson.

hearing about this guy, he became one of my favorite picks later on in this draft. Obviously, he only did it for the one year at Indiana. He didn't really get a chance to play at Louisville. That's where he was right before Indiana. Hearing the profile kind of reminded me, I don't know how accurate this is, but it kind of sounded a little Jose Siri-ish. What do you think about Corbyn Dickerson? Yeah, I don't know if Jose Siri is probably fair.

the thing about Siri is he's just it's an elite glove like Siri is such an outlier defender that it's kind of hard to slap that on anybody but to your point like it's it's big big raw power very legitimate raw power the chance to hit 20 to 25 homers if you give him 600 plate appearances um the glove is legit I don't know if it's you know a 70 I think it's a six uh for sure he's he's got centerfield traits it's a plus runner you know he's going to steal steal bags for you and he gets on But the thing with Dickerson, it's the reason that he lasted until the fifth round is, you know, he was even telling people in Phoenix at the Combine. Like, I don't have a great feel for hitting the breaking ball. I don't have a great feel for hitting the slider right now. He kills fastballs. And to Dickerson's credit, if the pitch is in the zone, he's hitting it. But he's going to have to learn an approach that gets him into ambush counts. He's going to have to learn an approach that and just the ability to pick up spin out of the hand.

He's got to learn to hit the breaking ball. everything is there for this kid to be an impact player. You've got to learn how to hit the breaking ball, and I'm afraid to tell you, it's just going to get tougher the further you get up the ladder. Yeah. So a name that you threw out a couple of times on a couple of the mayor's picks was Paul Seawald with both Lucas Kelly out of Arizona State

and then Casey Hentz out of Arizona. You even texted me after the Lucas Kelly pick, and you were like, dude, this guy is fun. So tell us a bit more about both of those guys. Boy, they have really gone after this player, whether it be free agency, minor league deals, drafts. Like Casey Hintz is, I'll start with Casey Hintz. Casey Hins is literally Paul Seawald. He kind of looks like him in the face too.

He looks like Paul Seawald. He's got the stutter step, you know, as he comes to set on the mount. Like, it's the Paul Seawald delivery. It's crazy. He's really, really small. So we'll see whether or not he's ever going to be a guy that can get up like 96, like Seawald did. But Hintz is like 90 to 91 and he's up to 93. But it's the exact same stuff, exact same delivery.

Four seamer at the top, sweeper running away. He'll be fun. Like he's like 170 pounds. So let's see what that looks like, you know, after high performance camp and like a couple of sandwiches maybe. Lucas Kelly is way more high octane. Now I got a little bit of flak because what I tweeted for Kelly, in like April when I when I tweeted about him 99 at the top of the zone like one of the most f-U fastballs you'll ever see in in the history of Twitter he's mostly 93 to 96 but that was the last

pitch of the game lower slot explodes at the top of the zone it's a little bit more violent than paul seewald but kind of the same similar angles and approach it's almost like like a slightly more souped up version of Casey Legamina who's, you know, providing a similar type of role. So I'll be interested to see with Kelly specifically, can the Mariners get him to a place where you throw him out there in the seventh or the eighth inning and you get him strong enough and he's like 95 to 97 from that slot because if they can, pretty nasty. And it shouldn't be swept under the rug. I'm pretty sure this is a guy that walked like eight hitters in 30 innings at the back end

of the Arizona State ball game. So this is not the type of player that, you know, needs refinement and, oh, we got to teach him out of throw strikes and keep him in the zone and not get in trouble. Like, he can probably pitch in AA right now and find some success. So, yeah, they keep going for this type of a player and they really want to find magic in a bottle again. How would you compare Kelly to Hunter Cranton? Just totally different players.

in terms of like stuff and the way that they move like hunter cranton is so far over the top with a very prototypical four seam hopping fastball it's it's more uh hunter cranton is more uh like ryan stanick the way that he attacks players with his fastball it's better fastball value than stanick obviously not the same change yet but um enormous fastball Lucas kelly is going to be a guy that gets out because of the uniqueness and the angles and the deception and things like that. I'll put it this way, in a way simpler term, Cranton overpowers people,

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We'll also talk a little bit about the deadline later on, just the state of the farm in general. But Joe, there's a couple of guys that I still haven't been able to gather a ton of of information on that I just want to see if maybe you have some notes on them. Colton Shaw, Danny Machiarola, as I think that's how you would pronounce that. And then Dusty Revis, any of those, any of those three guys? Yeah, you know, I don't know anything on Shaw. Machia Rola is a very typical back-end starter. I don't want to say org filler type, but potential number five up and down. Dusty Revis, I think he goes by Dusty. I know his name is Dustin. He's interesting. He's redshirt sophomore to Western Carolina, redshirted due to a stress fracture,

but kind of came on this past season, 7 and one record in 2024, 438 ERA. I'm just reading the report that I wrote up on him in May. 92 to 95, touch in 97 with sync upper 80s to low 90s after like the third or fourth inning. So we'll see whether or not he's going to be a guy that, you know, pitches out of the rotation or if he's going to be a guy that they just slam into the bullpen right away. But it's a mid-80s slider, two-plane break, big whiff rates in 2024 and 2025, and he's been throwing a change up more this past season.

So doesn't have a true swing and miss pitch outside of the slider and durability and his ability to maintain velocity is something that will probably come up in professional baseball. But I think at worst with Dusty Revis, you're looking at a potential swing man or a guy that, you know, pitches at the back of the or the front of the bullpen in the fifth or sixth inning. So I will say this, and I think this is important. Seattle has found a lot of success specifically in the Carolinas over the last handful of years with these small school guys, whether it be in trades or signing a guy like Revis.

So I would keep an eye on him because, yeah, I mean, they seem to have a pretty good feel for scouting that area. Colby. Yeah. Kind of a bigger picture question here. if you had to buy stock in one of these prospects, like, you know, factor in odds and, you know, the low buy-in costs and all that stuff. But if you had to buy stocks in one of these prospects to really hit, who you take in? I mean, if you're talking bang for your buck, it's probably Jackson Steinsma for me.

You get him in the ninth. I had him going in the fifth or sixth round. He missed all of this season with TJ. But as we've seen, these guys that come back from, injury. Like the hit rate is going up and up and up. And this is a six foot five inch, you know, 250 pound starter that, uh, was running big chase rates and big whiff rates. And he's got four pitches and, um, you know, it's just, it's the type of guy that Seattle has done really well developing over the last handful of years. And wouldn't surprise me

at all if Steen's my and it's, I should add importantly, you know, you get a legitimate starting pitching prospect in the ninth round four pitches strikes uh big frame durable outside of the injury of course but um yeah i mean if they turned him into a number five pitcher look what they did with logan evans like it wouldn't surprise me at all anything surprise you about uh any of these numbers that have come out on the deals for the prospects not really uh i think perhaps the most surprising was probably kate anderson at eight point eight million you have to wonder what sort of of, you know, opportunities for contracts he had at one and two. Because 8.8, you know, they're saving $700,000 with the number three pick,

a guy that was being talked about as the number one pick. But as we've seen, you know, Seattle probably called Anderson's agent and said, Ethan Holliday's on the board. We know he's not going for. You can risk it and see if you can get a better number at five with the Cardinals. You probably won't. Here's 8.8. So I think the fact that they were able to get Kate Anderson at a slight discount,

I don't even know if surprising is the right word, but I guess to the general public, it probably is. Yeah. We can only guess, but do you think the changes that happened at the top for the nationals, you know, right before the draft had any impact on how things went down? I think in retrospect, they massively did. I think massively did. I podcasted about this.

Mike Rizzo and Scott Boris, very, very good friends. I'm friends with a lot of people in the organization that are still there in the scouting department. It sounds like it was pure chaos for a week, trying to get the new interim GM up to speed with all the players. Because the interesting thing is the interim GM that was brought in, it wasn't like Rizzo.

He didn't have a scouting background. He was in baseball ops. He was in, you know, trades and things. like that. So he had no knowledge of their process. So I think I would have been stunned if they did not select a Scott Boris client at number one if Mike Rizzo was still there. And you just look at what they did in 2024 with Siever King cutting a massive deal, getting Luke Dickerson. That's what they wanted to do again. And I think it's going to serve them well because Eli Willits is a really good player. Yeah. Let's talk quickly about some of these other catchers.

the mayor is drafted. Grant Jay, I know there's like some thought that he might just wind up in a corner, but he's listed as a catcher, another Dallas Baptist guy, by the way. So they double dipping that well. And then Luke Heyman out of Florida, who they actually gave considerable amount over slot there at pick 14, or in the 14th round, rather. Any thoughts on those guys? Yeah, Grant Jay is really interesting.

It's a little bit like the kid from, oh man, I'm trying to remember his name now. the kid that barely played last year where it's like Grant Nip. Yeah, Grant Nip. They're both named Grant. Like, what are you doing, Scott Hunter? Come on, man. Yeah, similar to Grant Nip. Like, there's a ton of swing and miss for Grant J,

but it's mammoth power. It's, I think, a better chance to catch than people are probably giving him credit for. He hits the ball very, very, very hard. So we'll see what that ends up becoming. I think it's probably more of a first base. your corner outfield, you know, role with what they've got in the organization, be it Luke Stevenson or Luke Heyman or Cal Raleigh or Harry Ford.

Hey, Hey, Hey, Hey, Hey, Hey, Heyman walked away from sixth or seventh round money in the 2024 draft to go back to Florida and chase,

you know, a title for, for the Gators. This is a pretty good pick. Like, he had a little bit of a down year this year. He was a little bit better, uh,

in certain respects in 2024. Uh, but, Yeah, I think he's a better chance to catch than Grant J and same amount of power and a slightly better hitter. So I said this on TJ and Lyle's podcast. This team, regardless of whether or not they moved Harry Ford, was desperately thin in terms of catching prospects and depth. And I think they did a really, really nice job filling that void. Love it.

All right. Is there, before we move on, is there anyone else that I haven't asked you about that we should be talking about? Like, are we sleeping on Isaac Lyon or Aden Torek or anyone like that? I mean, I don't think they're going to sign him, which is a shame. But Griffin Steed would be the one that I would watch out for. He missed all of 2024. But it's one of the best thinkers in the class, like point blank period. People were talking about him going in the third or fourth round before, you know, going out with injury.

So it feels a little bit like the Brian Walters selection from 2024, where it's like another insurance pick that goes alongside Cam Appenzeller. He's committed to transfer to Alabama, which is even more leverage in his back pocket. But if Seattle can find a way to cobble up the money to get Stieg into the organization, that would immediately become a pretty fun, pretty high-end relief prospect that could move pretty quickly with some of the metrics that he's got. I love it. Colby, anything else on the draft before we move on to deadline stuff and farm stuff?

No, I think we're good. You feel like pumping up Nick, uh, Nikki Becker anymore or you feel like you, you've done that appropriately? Well, Nikki bats. Yeah. So my question now is, is he going to go by Nick now that he's a professional because he's told me and scouts and everybody along the trail. His name is Nikki.

And I love that we had a prospect named Nikki. And I just want it to be Nikki. I think that's a lot more fun. Nikki sticks, you know, like that's a sick nickname. So, you know, he's crazy tooled up. Like truly, it's big size. It's he can run. He can hit for power.

He can really throw. If he hits, you got a potential star on your hands. And if he doesn't, then, you know, there's a million guys like Taylor Tremel who have insane tools and it never like truly comes together. So a big fan of him. And he'll be one, he'll be a fun one to watch too. Our conversation with Joe continues in just a moment, but first, a reminder of this episode of the lockdown era's podcast is brought to you by Open Phone. If you run into business, you know that every miss call is money left on the table.

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their promotions to double a now they've been up there for a couple weeks and they both have been awesome so just what have you been your thoughts on both of those guys and what they're doing right now man i i just i can't be happier for las i can't be happier for the mariners organization you know you shift a 20 year old with swing and miss concerns up to arkansas and you have to worry like you have to wonder like where where does this thing plateau where does it run out of steam where does he run into a a level of competition that his approach can't match we just haven't seen that yet we haven't found that level yet. He is having no issues at all in Arkansas, despite the kind of wonkiness and the moving parts in the swing. He's barreling up everything he's seen, both lefties and

righties. The fact that he walked in the futures game against a kid, I think it was Alex Clemmy, throwing 98 from the left side with angle. And he was taking his G-hacks too on some heaters that were in off the plate. I was like, hey, man, can you not like blow up your wrist in Atlanta? It'd be great if you You just like take a walk. It takes his walk. But no, like I've said it before. I do think the path to Las Montes being a valuable big leaguer is going to be almost exclusively through the bat. And he is just showing more times than not.

He's capable of being a guy that potentially is a 125 to 140 WRC plus stick. So really excited about that. Arroyo, I obviously like as a prospect, he can hit. He can really. really hit. I just wonder with the organization where it's at in terms of infielders, you have to wonder if he is going to be deadline fodder, right? Like, Emerson is probably going to get a cup of coffee in September of 2026. You have Cole Young at second base already. You're more than happy with Ben Williamson at third base entering the 2026 season. If you trade for Suarez and he leaves in

the offseason like you've got options on the infield and you know maybe a royo is a dh maybe he is the you know next dylan more if dylan more leaves i'm not saying he's going to be that utility type but maybe he's that guy on the bench that comes off the bench and you know hits in those spots that dillan more uh hit for much of this season so he's a tricky one for me to figure out future role but man they can both really hit yeah and they're both doing it a 20 years old it's very it's crazy yeah yeah it's not being talked about enough how crazy it is that they're both 20 years old and exceeding expectations at Dickie Stevens. Yeah, yeah. It's a very popular opinion that Harry Ford is going to get traded here in the next

couple weeks. And I think a lot of Marist fans are ultimately cool with that because they feel he strikes, you know, a good balance of, one, getting you something valuable in return. And two, while trading high, any high profile prospect, you know, stings to a certain degree. Trading Ford wouldn't staying as much. So I guess first of all, do you agree with that? And secondly, is there any other prospect in the system you view in a similar light? Maybe Michael O'Royle. Yeah, probably without getting long winded, Arroyo would probably be the other one. But with Ford, I'll just say this. I'll keep it very, very short. So long as you are moving him to a team that provides, they value him as the catching prospect that he is, and you're not flipping him as a prospect that's viewed as a left field

or a DH, I'm fine with it. I'm fine with it. I don't think you should ever sell low on a prospect, even though you just acquired Luke Stevenson. So I think the thing that we'll never know, and maybe we learn this at the deadline when a team does deal for him, the thing that we'll never know is how many organizations view him as a catcher. And until we know that,

I think it's really, really next to impossible to attach a value to him in terms of like prospective trade offers. Well, we just got some news. Not trade related. Just get that out of the way. By the time you guys are listening to this, you know, but we want Joe's reaction to this. The mayor was called up Brandon Garcia.

Ooh. I thought you guys were going to get quite a reaction from me for something. No, no, no. No, I've never been on the air for live breaking days before. Could it get a Joe crash out? They traded last month as for a wrong. Brian Halsley. How about that? No, Brandon Garcia is called up.

Juan Burgos back to Tacoma, but... Very cool. Friend of the show, Brandon Garcia. So congratulations, Sam. But yeah, what do you think about that? It's probably... Yeah. I mean, it's probably necessary. I don't think my reaction is so much attached to Garcia. I'm excited to see what Garcia can bring because the organization hasn't had many left-handed

options this year with Saucato being essentially. irrelevant for the year and you know Gabe spire apparently just being like a non-split guy that they're just going to throw against Rides at this point so um i think when i look at the move one burgo's barely pitched you know they added him to the to the roster there was games seattle was up six to one you know five days after his promotion that they still didn't use him in the sixth inning and so i've long thought like this guy must just be break glass in case of emergency, and that's what we've seen. You know, he's been in there for blowouts left and right,

and they haven't put him into any leverageable opportunity at all. And that includes, you know, if it's between Burgos and a guy that pitched yesterday in the 10th inning, they still go to the guy and double up. So excited to see what Brandon Garcia can provide to the team as a left-hander out of the bullpen, but I think Burgos was just filler at this point. Yeah. Yeah. So how would you rank the Mariners' needs going up to the deadline?

I think personally, and this is a hedge, so I apologize because it's bad radio. I think a leverageable bullpen piece and a bat of some consequence are both equal in need. I just, I don't think this team can get out of, if they make the playoffs, I don't think this team can get out of the first round with the current bullpen setup that they've got. they're missing one more arm. And you can tell that. I mean, look at, you know, Burgos was just sitting there. Like, they need someone else that they can go to. But at the same time, they need a stick in right field or they need a stick at third base.

They need a player that can create runs by himself. It can't just be, you know, Ben Williamson shoots a squibber through the right side to keep the conga line moving. That's not going to work in September. So whether that is, you know, right. Ryan O'Hern or it's Ehuenio Suarez or, you know, take your pick. I think they probably need to acquire both of those needs at the deadline. And as they've said as much, they're willing to move assets and they should be willing to move assets.

So I'm curious your perspective on this because obviously you're a prospect guy. You know Jerry. You know his thought process, maybe better than anyone else who's, you know, creating content, covering the mirrors and just covering baseball in general. We've seen them be very aggressive at the deadline. They've gone out. They got the best starting pitcher who moved in 22. In 22.

They got maybe the best bet that moved last year. But we've never seen them get super aggressive on the high profile rentals. We've seen them go out and get rentals, but that's been like the Justin Turner's of the world. So really to me, like that's their only path to getting meaningfully better, offensively, at least, at the deadline, is going after the high profile rentals. But do you think they actually will do that? Yeah, I do. I think they will. I think they'll stop short of being reckless. They've done a nice job over the course of, you know, Jerry's tenure of balancing, you know, going out and getting impact players and not being reckless. You know, I'm not going to, I don't mean to throw the guy under the bus, but they haven't moved an Adam Jones for a player. You know what I mean? And I think that's going to be the case this year. And, you know, when you have. What would reckless, sorry to interrupt, but what would reckless be to you? Let's use A. Eugenio Suarez for an example, right? Like, what would a reckless trade package look like for A.U.

Sweras? I think a reckless trade package, if it was just Suarez, by himself, would be a top 100 prospect and a lottery ticket. I just, I don't think you move six or six and a half years of Harry Ford for two months of a 35-year-old A. Eugenio Suarez. I think if they were to, like if we're using Arizona as an example, if they were to attach a reliever that you could use in the seventh inning, that's also a rental alongside Eugenio Suarez. And that cost you Harry Ford. I think it makes total sense.

But I don't think they, I don't think the Mariners should be in the market of trading Harry Ford for 45 games of E. E. Henio Suarez personally. That's just my philosophical, you know, standpoint on it. I think you'd be better served moving Ashton Izzy and another piece for Ryan O'Hern and, you know, attacking this the same way and getting the same sort of output that you might have gotten otherwise. So, yeah, I think, I guess that's the simplest way to put it is don't move a top 100 prospect for 40 games of one player. It's just my two cents. Gotcha. Gotcha. Yeah, it's a, it's a very interesting thing.

I mean, you know, I've talked, Colby and I have talked about this ad nauseum. It's just the one thing that we haven't seen them do. So it's just kind of like, for me, it's kind of like, I'll believe it when I see it, but also like this is their only route to take in my mind, uh,

to get meaningfully better offensively. And, you know, I mean, so many people have said like, they're going to be aggressive. They're going to be aggressive. And it's like, okay, well,

I guess that's the only way that they're going to be aggressive unless there's someone out there that's going to be available that we just don't expect. And really quick tie, I think that is the important thing to watch out for. This year feels ripe in baseball, not just for the Mariners. This year feels ripe for the mega deal. And I mean, you know, Baltimore has fallen off the face of the earth. And they need to shake things up over there.

I don't know what that looks like. I don't know whether it's, you know, moving this person or that person. But if there was a year where a player like a Jordan Westberg was moved for, you know, three top 100 prospects from Seattle, be it, Harry Ford and, and, you know, Johnny Farmello, whatever. This just, it just feels like this trade deadline is, trade deadlines in general are overdue for a mega deal. And the Ronald Acuna thing should just go away. But the, the, the Orioles, I think are a perfect example of a team that clearly needs to shake the tree a little bit. and re-rack the cards, re-rack the deck.

And trade one of their young core guys? Maybe. You know, I don't think that they have the luxury of trading an outfielder because, you know, I would go after Kouser if I was Seattle. Like, I think that would be an awesome fit. But, you know, you look at Tyler O'Neill is hurt. Cedric Mullen is on the way out. Ryan Hearn is on the way out.

You probably can't trade Kouser, but they have so many infielders and more on the way. I just look at a guy like Westberg and I say, does this make sense for everybody if Seattle can give up a ransom. Would you do it still if they're like, we want Bryce Miller? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I would move Bryce Miller.

I mean, the thing that makes Miller complicated is he's hurt and I think we all know he's going to have surgery this offseason. So how much of that do they really want to take on? But if you were to tell me, you know, that Jordan Westberg was coming to Seattle for Bryce Miller, and I would throw in Harry Ford. I think that's a deal that Seattle would be interested in. Yeah. What are your thoughts on Gerangelo Sanjo right now? Because you take away the left-handed numbers,

and he's actually been pretty good this year, but I've heard nothing but mixed opinions really on him and his first full year in pro ball. I think the tough thing with Gerangelo and with the organization is they're figuring out how the hell this whole switch pitcher thing is going to work. like he's clearly not dedicating himself to one side. It's led to walks.

It's led to weird streakiness in terms of performances. Like there have been outings where they've just thrown him as a left-handed pitcher for the first hitter of the game. And then they go to the right side for the rest without any rhyme or reason as to like how they're attacking those splits. So I personally, I think they should just move to him being right-handed full-time in 26. Get that control and command in order because, you know,

know, this will be a full year at Everett. He's going to pitch over 100 innings or close to it. In Everett, he should be in Arkansas in 2026. And I think if you're, you know, shipping him to Arkansas, you're probably bailing on the left-handed thing. Well, Joe, thanks as always. This was great. As always, you were great, as always. And let's do this again soon.

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