Locked On Mariners - Daily Podcast On the Seattle Mariners - Will Cal Raleigh Make It to COOPERSTOWN?! + More Seattle Mariners Questions | Mailbag Monday

Episode Date: December 1, 2025

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Cow Raleigh just had one of the best catcher seasons ever. But what more does he have to do in order to get himself into Cooperstown one day? We'll answer that a more here on Mailbag Monday. Colby, hit it. You are Locked-on Mariners. Your daily Seattle Mariners podcast, part of the Locked-on Podcast Network, your team every day. Ahoy, Sailors, it is Monday, December 1st, 2020. 25, you're listening to the Lockdown Marries podcast, part of the Lockdown Podcast Network, now the number one sports podcast network.

My name is Tadang Azales, and I'm joined, as always, by McCos, Colby Patnode. We're two lifelong Marriors fans who've been covering the team for over half a decade. And on today's show, we're going to open up the mailbag like we do here every single Monday and answer some of your Mariners questions. Before we do, though, I want to shout out our title sponsor today, Game Time. Download the GameTime app, create an account, and use the promo code Lockedon MLB. That's LOC, K-E-D-O-N-M-L-B for 20. $20 off, your first purchase. All right, kicking us off here on Mailbag Monday is Henry, who has a banger of a question here.

Cal Raleigh is sitting at 18.8B War and 22.9 F war through his first five seasons. If he were to post that same value for the next five years, what do you think of his Hall of Fame case? Side question, how much more would he need to post to be in the goat catcher conversation? All right, so let's start with the first part of your question. So it's very interesting because I don't really know how much war actually factors into this conversation, how much it matters for this conversation because there are 18 catchers in the Hall of Fame right now. It's a very exclusive club. But if we're going off of war, whether it's B-Wore or F-WR, those are not the 18 most valuable catchers in baseball in the history of the game.

the f war average of the 18 guys in the hall of fame right now is 53 flat the b war average of the 18 guys in the hall of fame is 50.2 now there are some guys that have recently been left off the ballot after their first year even that maybe they didn't get to at least one of those averages but they definitely have exceeded some of the guys that are in the hall right now like russell Martin. He fell off the ballot after his first year, despite putting up 54 and a half F4. That's more than Joe Mower. That's one full win more than Joe Mauer. He, though, you know, only put up 38.6B war. So pretty significant disparity there. And he's about 12 wins off of the, you know, B war average. Brian McCann, another big disparity here. But he put up 52.1 F4, only 31.6 B war, though. But he fell off the ballot after one year. Jason Kendall. fell off the ballot after one year, despite putting up 41.7B war in 36 and a half F4. Hori Pissada fell off after one year with 42.7B war and 40.9 F4. All four of those guys at the very least exceeded, you know, a couple of guys that are currently in the Hall of Fame right now. So I think just kind of going off of that, I think it would be safe to say that like if Cal wants to get in, if he, you know, wants to feel simple. my safe in getting in he probably needs to get it to about 50 in both and both be war and f war um couple of guys that that we should keep an eye on though in that regard specifically

buster posey and yadier malina kind of feels like those are the two modern hall of famers future hall of famers um posey posted a 57.9 f4 in his career 45 flat b war and uh malina posted a 55.6 6F4 and a 41.7 B-war in his career. So those are the two guys that I would be looking at specifically as far as Cal goes, especially if he's not going to get to 50 in both F-4 and B-war, which seems very likely, especially considering, you know, the premise of your question here, like if he does what he's done over the last five years for the next five years. So 18.8 B-war over, you know, or times,

two would be 37.6, 22.9F war times two would be 45.8. So that's like on the cusp. But again, I just, I'm not really sure how much war matters. And also, it's just kind of a different era where we kind of have to grade, especially catching on a curve. Because more and more guys are, you know, more and more catchers are not catching later on in their careers. Like, they're switching positions. They're going to full-time DH roles and, you know, playing first base more. So, like, how much does that also factor into the, into the

conversation? And then obviously with Cal, there's, there's, you know, accolades. There's an aura to Cal that just like some of the other guys that we mentioned just didn't have in their careers. So how much does that all matter? So, yeah, again, I just, I'm not really sure how much

war matters here, but if we're just strictly going off of that, I think he has to at least break 50 in one of them. I think, you know, kind of the hidden, you know, disingenuous part of the question, not that it was intended this way, is just that you're counting Cal's debut year in this discussion. And he was a below replacement level player in both of the, in that year by, you know, by both metrics. He was minus point five in B-war, for example. And obviously that, you know, greatly, you know, affects the overall value. So it's one of those things where it's like,

okay, if we look at what he's done the last four years since he's been a full-time player, it's pretty much been a walking four-win player. And then he had this, you know, nine-win season with, you know, F-Wor. And I believe it was seven and a half with B-war. So it's kind of like, hey, how about if the next five years look like the last four years? And I know that's not easy math. But then obviously that changes the formula a little bit. When you look at who's in the Hall of Fame, who's not, like you said, there's 18 guys in there.

the top 11 B-war catchers of all time are all in the Hall of Fame and they all have above 50. So if you get to above 50 and B-War, you feel pretty good. And if you're above 50 and B-War, you're probably going to be 50, above 50, and F-war because very clearly when you look at the discrepancy here in the wars, VanGraphs places more value on the catcher defense

than baseball reference does. And this is why war is kind of a tough you know, it's a tough thing to figure, especially on catchers because so much of their value is defensive and as much as we can go back and assign, you know, value to Johnny Bench back in the day. We just didn't have the defensive metrics that we do now and we weren't grading them. So we're really guessing a lot on the defensive side of those things. And I think when you look at Cal and you kind of, as we get smarter, I think that if he is around 45, he'll probably get in eventually because one thing we have to remember is narratives also matter.

And Cal Raleigh has a platinum glove. Kyle Raleigh set the Major League record for home runs by a catcher. He set the Major League record for home runs by a switch hitter. He hit more home runs than King Griffey Jr. He's one of currently only, what, eight players, hit 60 home runs in a season, and he did it as a catcher. I think those things are going to carry some real weight with the voters when we get there. Now we're at least, you know, 10 years away from Cal being on the ballot because it's five years after you retire and Cal's not going to retire anytime soon.

So there's a long way to go and maybe those things get overlooked. But I think if Cal is just a, you know, has another three years of a five win player just consistently and then he maybe drops back to a three win player because it catches a little bit less, he's going to put himself in that conversation. As for whether or not he'll get in, I don't know because again, it's really tough to know how war is going. going to grade out here and and but there are some narrative things that help his his case the 60 home runs helps the platinum glove helps the winning the home run derby helps like all these things are part of a narrative you can build at the end of his career uh that gets him there and then obviously a big part of that too is like yeah and he was you know a great offensive catcher and he caught a lot of innings early in his career so how long could his career have been of you as a first

basement et cetera et cetera like so there's going to be a lot of narrative things that help him uh in this conversation but yeah it feels like he has to get to 50 and be war for me to have a really good shot of getting in and then we'll see how much the narrative really you know hammers his home and one thing to remember here is that there are different hall of fame cases there are peak hall of fame cases there are consistent hall of fame cases like craigio just consistently good for 15 years you know whereas a guy like sandy kofax was elite for six years and and that was pretty much his entire career and he gets in just because he was so dominant over a certain stretch and so Cal kind of has an opportunity to do both or at least one of those

things where he could be an elite player for six year stretch or he could just be like a really good consistent catcher who hits a ton of home runs that's the other thing too when you look at like the Russell Martins and the Jorge Posadas like yeah they were really good players obviously and they probably deserve more Hall of Fame clout than they got but Cal makes headlines because Cal hits homers and home runs are always going to carry the day for offensive players and you know right now if Cal hits 30 home runs next year he's going to be in the top 30 all time and catcher home runs so uh you know that is going to be a big driving point for him so if he can win another gold glove or or you know if he can make you know three or four

all star teams and have a couple like if he has a couple more 40 home run seasons I think the narrative is going to drive a big part of his his value uh and then we'll see where he ends up on the warfront now as far as the the goat conversation goes i don't think there's much of a conversation to be had there really with cal like especially because he started his career so like he he began his majorly career at what 25 years old yeah i think just because of like time really he's not going to be able to unless you know he continues to be an MVP candidate for the next four consecutive eight win seasons then maybe he's in the conversation sure uh yeah johnny bench has the record for catchers on baseball reference and b war it's about

75 and a half i believe yeah uh so obviously cow you know needs 60 wins uh to get there and let's say he has 10 years left in the league uh that's you know six wins a year is is uh quite a lot for a guy who's just going to eventually his body is going to break down from just the sheer volume of the wear and tear and the grind like it does for all catchers. So I would say it's very unlikely based on strictly on war. It's very unlikely that Cal could get into that conversation.

But is there a path where we could be talking about Cal as a top 10, 15 catcher of all time? Yeah, there is. Yeah. I just like, could Cal get to a point where we can actually make the argument against Johnny Bench, regardless of war,

just you know talking about eras and you know how much more is demanded of guys in today's game and all of that could he get to that point i don't know because like that would that would uh require him to clearly surpass like buster posey guys like that and i don't know if cow will ever get there right it kind of depends on who you look at as is contemporaries um you know posy pretty solidly the era before but they tend to get lumped together certainly more uh a contemporary than Johnny Bench or, you know, whoever else might be in consideration for that. But I think it's very unlikely you can get there. By the way, the major league record for home runs by catcher is Mike Piazza at 412, I think.

So Cal's at, I want to say, 150-ish. So if Cal plays 10 more years and he averages 27 home runs a year, then he'll probably be the all-time home run champion. But that's a lot of work to do for a guy who's already, you know, approaching 30 and has a lot of mileage on him. So we'll see if he can get there or not. But I think it's very unlikely he actually does get to the top of that. But could he be one of those players who, you know, 20 years from now, maybe 30 years from now, we're looking around going like, it was really good, Cal Raleigh. Like that guy was something else.

And he's in the discussion. He's, you know, but I don't think he's actually going to get to the top of that. top of that conversation yeah again i just looked it up he made his debut at 24 years old obviously that year was also a wash so really he didn't start being the you know the cow raleigh that we know and love until about 25 26 years old i just don't think there's enough time if he does anything close to this again next year i think that changes the narrative quite a bit because now it would be two years of like one of the best offensive and at that point it It's not just a one-off thing.

It's like, is this guy in the conversation for the best offensive catcher of all time? Yeah. But is he going to do anything close to this again next year? Probably not. It's hard to see, but also it was, it was hard to see him breaking Mickey Mantle's record. And it was hard to see him breaking Griffey's record. It was hard to see him getting to 60. So who knows?

But with like the World Baseball Classic also coming up, like he's going to even have more Waring Terry just going into next season. And there's a lot stacked against Cal, but we'll see if he can overcome it all. I mean, I doubted Cal, Cal's ability to get to, you know, certain thresholds over the course of this year. And he exceeded my expectations in pretty much every single regard. So I've learned not to doubt Cal Raleigh. All right. We will answer more of your questions here in just a moment.

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sports podcast network. It's Mailbag Monday. Let's get back into your questions. Either once to know which Mariners, minor leaguers are you most excited to track this season? I would love to hear about some of the non-obvious ones like Emerson or Las Montes looking for some dark horse deep cut prospects thanks i'll give you one that i think is at least dark horse adjacent uh griffin hugis you guys remember him yep uh he was the third round pick and everybody was kind of like uh who is

this guy but uh there are some bryce millerishness to his uh profile uh and yeah he's a third round pick uh the mayor is clearly they think he can start there's a question about whether or not, he just hops into the bullpen and moves pretty quick. But Griffin Hugis is a guy that I'd like to see start. And I think there's a pretty decent chance he starts the year in Everett. He might be Kate Anderson's teammate in Everett, but maybe Modesto. It's really not that huge of a deal. And then I guess the other guy I would keep an eye on, well, two guys.

They both happened to pitch in the state of Arizona last year, and they were both draft picks of the Mariners. Which one do you want, Ty? I assume you're going to take one of these two guys. I'm actually not. So you can take either one. All right. Hintz and Kelly,

the two relievers from Arizona and Arizona State respectively. Kelly, much more of a like high upside reliever who could move very, very quickly. He throws 98 to 100 from a low arm slot, pretty good slider. He's really interested. And then Hince is the guy who very Paul Seawaldi.

I don't remember which round he was drafted in. Kelly, I believe, was a sixth rounder. Yeah, I think so. Yeah, and then Hens was like a 12th rounder, 13th rounder. Yeah, but both of those guys could move pretty quick. So you want to see how they look. But to me, like the dark horse, assuming we're not talking about the Nikki Becker's or the your hair, Batista's, like, board type of guys.

Griffin Hugis is a guy I'm kind of, you know, very intrigued by based on what we learned about him after the draft. Yeah, I'll go with. another 2025 drafty. I'm going to go with Corbyn Dickerson, the fifth round pick out of Indiana, out of Fielder, high bat speed,

post extreme exit velocities. We're going to see some impressive nukes hit by Dickerson. We're also going to see some web gems, I think, posted by Maris Miners. But the thing to really watch out for there is like, can he actually hit with consistency? Can he actually pick up spin?

Can he, you know, can he just actually find success against advanced pitching, right? Despite the high bat speed, he's had some issues catching up to Velo. So can he actually do that in the miners? We'll see if the mayor has implemented some tweaks here with him. But he's a fun, tools-ed-up dude.

So he's definitely going to be on the highlight reel. Next question here from transactional healing. What's a realistic stat line and comp for Cole Young in year two, assuming he wins the strong side platoon at second base? I don't know, 245, 320, 400? Yeah, I think Cole's going to have to hit for some average if he wants to stay on base to be above average. So I think, you know, 250, 260, right around that 320 range

and then hopefully around the, you know, the 400 slug mark. Yeah, it's, I think he could, like, he could be a guy who it's 280. He could be a guy who posts 350 on base. He could slug a little. I don't think he's ever going to be like a 450 slug guy. But, yeah, to me, Cole Young is eventually going to be a really solid three-win player because he's going to hit. He's going to make enough contact.

He's good enough hitter. He's going to put the ball in play a lot and, you know, mostly find a lot of base hits. He's going to hit some doubles. He's going to draw his walks. He's going to play solid defense. I think he's ultimately a pretty safe bet to be a three-win player for a lot of years. But I don't think there's a ton of upside here. So we'll see what it looks like.

But in 2025, in his first, well, second crack, a big league regular playing time in this scenario, I think if he hits 250, I think if he post a league average or better on base, and if he slugs right around 400, I think you take that. And that's a pretty good player. Hopefully the defense is better than it was last year. There's really no reason to believe it won't be. It's just last year he was just playing second base for a majority of the time for the first time of his career. And also the arm was just dreadful, it was awful, which is not something that was ever a part of his profile. So I think just naturally with more reps, he'll be a better defensive second baseman. And I think if he does that, if he's an average second baseman defensively, if he hits 250, 320, you know, 380 to 400 with the slug.

Then I think he's probably a two, two and a half one player next year. And it's a good season to build on. All right. Next question here from Aidan. There's been a lot of talk about how a potential 2027 lockout might affect this year's free agency market. If some players who might typically get two to three year offers are only getting one year offers, is that a market you could see the mares being active in?

I think you've talked a little bit about it in regards to Gino and was wondering how likely you think that scenario is and what you think of other potential free agent ads in that mold. So it's kind of the Kevin Mather free agents, you know, come into the mares with hat and hand type of thing. Yeah. That's kind of, I think that's kind of what you're talking about here with the mayors try and take advantage of that maybe i think it really i think it's specific for certain free agents because i mean like pita lonso was a guy that maybe you could have talked to about a one-year

deal last year and they didn't even explore that so i don't know um but like gino like if if his market crashes to the point of him just having to entertain one-year deals then yeah i could see the mayor is circling back on that depending on what else they do between now like I would think that that Gino scenario would probably happen in February or March. So the merits have probably done more heavy lifting by that point, or at least they've tried and maybe they've swung a mist on some things. But yeah, I could see that happening. But like in general, I don't know.

Because again, like there have been other times where it's made sense for them to go do that. Matt Chapman is another example of that. And they've just, they haven't even explored it really. Yeah. Mark Simeon a few years ago was an opportunity to do that. Yeah, before you sign with Toronto. Right.

There are some guys that make sense, none more than Gino, just because of the position he plays and your familiarity with him. It's really tough to say how the looming lockout will affect free agents because, you know, I guess you could easily say, well, if there's a salary cap or whatever, then players want to get their contracts now so they get grandfathered in. But teams are also going to want to see how that looks. And so they might not be as willing to give, you know,

multi-year contracts to some of these guys. But players might also look at it and be like, well, there's going to be a salary cap. Then there's definitely going to be a salary floor. That's the only way we would allow a salary cap. So when teams are forced to spend more, I could actually make more by getting out on the free agent market next year. But obviously there's a lockout.

Then that means you're not going to know where you're going to play until, you know, for some players March, maybe April even, depending on how long the lockout goes. So the lockout really is a great X factor here. And I just don't think we right now have any ability to predict how that's going to impact the free agent market. If it does impact the free agent market in a way where good players are suddenly looking for short term deals, could the Mariners take advantage of that? I mean, they should try to. It's just are there a lot of players where that makes sense? not really, not outside of Gino, like the Kyle Tucker's, they're going to sign their eight-year deals.

The Boba-Bchettes are going to sign their eight-year deals. They're not going to fall there. It's the guys who are looking at two or three-year deals or four-year deals who might be willing to take a one-year deal. And it's usually guys who are coming off of a season that wasn't incredible, but wasn't bad. And I think, like, the guy who kind of comes to mind right away is a Zach Gallen type, well, you already have your five starters. and maybe if you trade Luis, maybe Gallen makes some sense, but even then. So it's just kind of one of those things where I think Gino is the guy that fits the mold that you're talking about here. And his familiarity with Seattle and all that definitely gives them an advantage if it does fall that way.

But other than him, I don't really see a ton of options like that out there on the free agent market this year. That makes sense for Seattle and where their roster is currently at. And I just can't pretend to know how the lockout is going to, affect these guys because basically any argument you could say as to why players might be willing to take a shorter deal because of the lockout, I could easily counter it with why they might just be willing to, you know, take the chance that they're not going to get salary cap. Like if Kyle Tucker signs an eight-year deal and then next year there's a salary cap, it's not going to affect Kyle Tucker at all. He's going to get his money one way or another. So, yeah, I just, it's too muddy for me

to predict how this will affect some players but Gino really is the ideal like hey I wanted three years not really getting it from somebody do I maybe take a one year deal because you're familiar with him because he plays a position you need like if Alex if it happens to Alex Bregman again

yeah the mayor should be all over that but I really doubt it's going to yeah as far as Gino goes it's like I've said in the past like third base sucks around the league and as soon as Alex Breggman flies off the market or as soon as teams realize like hey we're not getting Breggman all eyes are going to be on Gino

I just have a very hard time seeing Gino's market crash even with how bad he was in those final two months of the season just because of the state of third base around the league yeah so I don't think that's super realistic that that's going to happen that Gino is just going to get to a point where he's still unsigned you know at a at a point in

and free agency where it makes sense for him to take a one year deal where it makes sense for the mayor is to circle back on him but we'll see right and again to be fair like nobody would have predicted that happening to pita lonso or alex pregman or matt chapman you know uh when those happened to them and and we didn't really get to that point until j middle of january before we're like oh maybe these guys are willing to take a shorter term deal so maybe somebody like that will pop but it's just tough to predict right now all right we will answer a couple of more of your questions here in just a moment, but first a reminder, this episode of the lockdown errors podcast is brought to you once again by game time.

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Let's get back into your questions here on Mailbag Monday. Aaron wants to know, following up on Wednesday's discussion on the good and the bad of trading our rotation arms can you talk about the benefits and disadvantages of extending them how many years in a a v would you give them so obviously louis is out like we're not a yeah not open to extend louis do you remember back when the philly's had their super rotation in the early 2010s and it was like the four aces and joe for joe blanton like louise is joe blanton in this scenario no disrespect to louise but like whenever we get questions about the future of the marriage rotation assume that Luis is not involved in that

conversation unfortunately yeah so of the four guys I mean obviously Logan Gilbert should be the priority because he's closest to free agency so yeah we've talked about this I think the Logan web you know comp is is a good one to build off that was five and I do you're right and so I think around five and a hundred is probably a pretty good place to start with with Logan I would do that, you know, obviously you'd have to do quite an extensive look at the elbow and all that to see where it's at. Understanding that you're probably going to miss, he's probably going to miss significant time at some point with an elbow injury, as most pitchers are. But, you know, the best sign of a future elbow injury is a current elbow injury. And Logan's kind of pitching

through that. So assume that you're going to miss a year of that with Tommy John. And maybe there's a, you know, a 60-year option that's very favorable to Logan, but it only activates if he doesn't miss more than, you know, 150 games with, yeah, there might be incentives based on ending's pitch. Which they did with Felix back in when he signed his second extension. So, yeah, keep an eye on that. I think five and a hundred is about right with Logan. I think next up is probably Brian Wu over even Kirby, even though he has another year of club

control. I think Wu is a guy that because of his injury history might be more willing to take a team-friendly deal in regard. Now, you get four years of Wu, and you can kind of do the math on the ARB and assuming that he makes, you know, what, four to five million next year in ARB one, he makes, let's say, 10 like Logan's making this year in ARB 2, and then the next year he makes, let's just 15 for easy math. That means over the next four years, you know, he's going to end up making $32 million. I think he got a bonus this year of about $2 million. Yeah, he was in that bracket or whatever. You know, the thing that they put in. The pre-arb, like you finish top five and aside on voting or whatever.

And your pre-arb, you get a bonus. And he got one of the bigger bonuses. I think it was about $2 million. So over the next four years, he's going to make about $32 million. And then you kind of go, okay, what's a free? agent year Brian Wu like when you look at his track record and the year he's coming off of he's probably going to say 25 million so I think if you're looking at like for him five years $55 million and maybe because of the injury history and because he's so far away from

free agency maybe where you win back some money on this is you go like six years at like $60 million and so you know you basically get an extra free agent year for 10 million bucks essentially. So I think that's probably Wu, probably around 10 to 12 million because he's so far away from free agency and because of his injury history. I think that's probably a good place to go.

And then Kirby's probably next. And again, you kind of do the math on what he's going to make in his arb years. And then you figure a free agent year for George Kirby's probably going to be worth 20 to 25 million, probably 25 to 30. So let's just say 25. So just kind of build it out like that.

What is Kirby making this? year in ARB, do you remember? I think it's like 5.4. Right. So again, if you follow, it's very similar to Logan Gilbert, 5, 10, 5.4, 10, 15, again, you figure 30 million and then 25 million for a free agent year or so

455 4 and then you just and then you just keep stacking those 25s. Right. For however many years. So ultimately I think and then Kirby has to want to sign it. So I think Kirby's probably going to be the most expensive because I think Kirby is the least invested in being in Seattle long term. Now, that's just speculation on my part.

I don't know. And that's not to say that he's not invested. No, no, no. It's just that like Kirby always feels to me like a guy who wants to go back east from New York. He's talked about how he'd love to pitch for the Red Sox and the Yankees and all of that. And certainly he'll be a valuable asset when he does it for agency. I just think that Kirby is the least likely to sign an extension of any of the guys. And so that's kind of what I'm basing my valuation on.

And then Bryce is the year he's coming off of, I think he's probably the best bargain you can get. And I think you might be able to get him for like five or six years at about $8 million to $10 million. I think that's probably about what you would look for. So yeah, I think Logan's probably the best at like $5 and $100. it. And then Wu, I think if you give Wu a six-year extension, I think you probably get him for 60, 65 million. Kirby, I would say, for a five-year extension, you're probably looking at he's probably going to want what Logan's going to get at least, even though Logan's a little bit better. So five and a hundred for him. And then for Miller, I think it's probably you're looking at

like six and 50, six somewhere in that range, seven and 60 somewhere in there. So yeah, I would ranked them in priority, I would go Logan one, Wu, two, Kirby's still three, Miller, four. Scott wants to know, what do you think would be the contract details? So AV, years, opt-outs, blah, blah, blah, blah, for resigning Jorge Polanco. Yeah, I still don't really know what, Polo is going to get. I mean, we took a stab at it in our off-season plan. We did, what, two years, 14 million per, so 28, and then, what, a $2 million buyout on a third-year option. So he's guaranteed to make $30 million bucks. that option would be for about 15 mil if he accepted it or did we decide if it was like a player option or a mutual option i don't think we did whatever it's called mutual um that's the ballpark that we kind of yeah i think he might land yeah i think it's possible that a team might be i don't want to say desperate but like they might be like willing to give him a fourth year guaranteed to make sure they land

him. We've heard like Pittsburgh sniffing around here. I don't know why Polo would want to play in Pittsburgh, but maybe there is a team like that, maybe not Pittsburgh specifically, but that is like, look, we need to make a bit of a splash,

which if you're saying we need to make a splash and it's signing Hori Polanco is your splash. No disrespect to Polo. He had a very good year. You have bigger issues to worry about if polo is your splash move. But I can see a team doing that and be like, here's a fourth year. And at that point, I think if I'm Seattle, I'm out.

I'm not going for guaranteed years. I think ultimately where you settle in pretty nicely is three years, somewhere in that $12 to $15 million range, depending on how fierce the competition is. Maybe it's $16, $16, $17, $18 million. I don't see any way he's getting $20 million a year. I really don't think it's likely he's going to get a fourth guarantee. year, I think a third guaranteed year put you in the driver's seat to sign up. There are so many questions about his health and, you know, is what he did last year

repeatable, even though it's been when he's done a majority of his career. That 2024 is still real and he's still missed time this year and he still couldn't hit right-handed for a large chunk of the season. And, you know, he still has all those leg injuries that he's dealt with over the last four or five years. So there's a lot of questions surrounding polo, no doubt he's coming off of a good year. I think ultimately if I had to guess, he's going to land two to three guaranteed years and it's going to be worth between, I would say, 12 to 16-ish million dollars a year. That would be my hunch.

All right. So tomorrow is top five Tuesday in the last couple of weeks. We've messed up and not actually spun the wheel here on the show. So we're going to rectify that now and actually spend the wheel this time. It is Colby's turn to tackle a topic on the helm. So let's spin that for him right now And see what he's going to be talking about tomorrow And around it goes

We added some new options on here, by the way Okay, very simple here Top five trade targets for the Marys All right, it's time for me to spend the Ed Helms Now for my topic tomorrow After Colby gets done with his top five trade targets For the Marys this winner I'll be tackling

And top five bullpen entrances in all of baseball. All right. There we go. So stuff like Owen Diaz, you know, a trumpet, John Duran. I think those guys might be making an appearance on tomorrow's list. All right.

Well, that's what you have. Looking forward to tomorrow top five trade targets for the Maras this winter and the top five bullpen entrances on top five Tuesday. That's going to do it for our show today, though. Thank you so much for joining us here on the lockdown. Marries podcast part of the lockdown podcast network of your team every day for Colby

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