Locked On Mariners - Daily Podcast On the Seattle Mariners - Would We Trade Mitch Haniger For This?

Episode Date: October 29, 2021

It's Fan Fiction Friday on Locked On Mariners as hosts Ty Dane Gonzalez and Colby Patnode read your Mariners trade proposals and grade them on air. This week's trades include a proposal for Cardinals shortstop Paul DeJong, Mitch Haniger to the Red Sox and a three-team deal with the Cubs and Padres.Be sure to follow or subscribe to Locked On Mariners wherever you prefer your podcasts! For questions and other inquiries, email: [e-mail] the show on Twitter: @LO_Mariners | @danegnzlz | @CPat11For more of Ty and Colby, check out their Patreon: patreon.com/controlthezone/Built BarBuilt Bar is a protein bar that tastes like a candy bar. Go to builtbar.com and use promo code “LOCKED15,” and you’ll get 15% off your next order.BetOnline AGThere is only 1 place that has you covered and 1 place we trust. Betonline.ag! Sign up today for a free account at betonline.ag and use that promocode: LOCKEDON for your 50% welcome bonus. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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Patreon where we talk about the Mariners even more. Also, again, it's some non-baseball talk twice a week. Visit patreon.com forward slash control zone. For more information. on that. It is fan fiction Friday here on Lockdown Mariners. You submitted your Mariners trade proposals, and we're going to read and grade them on today's show. If you like what you hear, give the show a follow or subscribe wherever you listen to this. We greatly appreciate it. We're going to start here with one of our favorites, Jordan Levitt, at Mormon Pizza Man. I believe we start every single one of these episodes with a trade idea from old Jordan. And he's got a really interesting one here. because it has the Mariners trading Mitch Hanager,

who we've talked about probably going to be sticking around in Seattle after the way he finished the year and the way that the Mariners finished the year in general. But he has the Mariners trading Mitch Hanager to the Red Sox for Jay Groom, Jeter Downs, and Bobby Dahlbeck. What do you think about this deal, Colby? Well, there's no way Boston would do it, but I think Jordan's attempt to, in this was to try and find the point at which we would take the PR backlash and also the

you know the our hesitancy to try and replace Mitch Hanigar's bat um because uh jeter downs as you as well as you know tie is a guy that i like a lot and then i think we feel pretty comfortable that that uh jerry depoto really likes jeter downs too um jay groom is a former top pick Uh, hasn't really popped yet. But again, it's, you know, you get him in Seattle system. Uh, you give him a shot and, and maybe there's a reliever there. Maybe there's a starter there. Um, and it's, you know, Dahlback is, is born in Seattle, but not, I mean, he had an

okay year, uh, this year. He did hit 25 home runs, but he only had a 298 on base, not much of a defender. So it just, but. Yeah, that's tough. Thai France. Right. And, yeah. I mean, Dahlbach can't play right field and you don't want Jeter Dounds to play right field.

You don't even know if Jeter Dounds can hit yet. He kind of had a down year. Yeah. Or should I say a downs year. But, um, wow. Yeah, I went there. I went there. So, uh, yeah, ultimately, there's really not a reason for Boston to do this deal.

But if it was offered, you know, I don't know how much is Jerry buying to 2021? Because Jeter Downs was awful in 2021. He hit a buck 90 in 400 games in AAA or 400 played appearances in AAA. Like coming off a year off. Yeah, that's, it's not great. Yeah, I don't think the Mariners would do this quite honestly. I know that it's only for a year of Hanager and that's just kind of purely how I'd be looking at it

but Bobby Dolbeck doesn't really fit with what the Mariners have going on right now with their 26-man roster. Ty France is there and they want to keep that DH open. This is the same thing that we say every time that there's a first base slash DH type in any of these deals or anyone that we really talk about. You know, Jake Room, fine prospect, you know,

solid, interesting, but, eh. And, you know, and there's the obvious concerns about downs after his, as you put it, downs here. I just, I don't, yeah, I don't really see the benefit for the Mariners on this front, quite honestly. Yeah, plus, you know, Groom is on the 40-man roster, and he's still in double it. And he spent most of this year in high A and he's on the 40 man. Right. That's a, that's an issue.

That's something you got to work around here. And so I like the players and the video. And you already have one of those guys on your roster right now in 110. Right. So I like the, I like the, I like Jeter down still. I still think Jay Groom can. He's only 23. But like you said, he's already on the 40 man.

And, and, uh, he's not really all that close to the big leagues quite yet. He's probably a year away still. So just doesn't really make sense to. go do that and get rid of Hanager. But I do wonder, would you do would you do like Emerson Hancock for Jeter Towns? Like a prospect swap?

I was going to ask you the same exact thing. That's funny that you brought that up. Kind of make some sense. Boston, can you some young pitching process? Yeah, it makes some sense because Hancock has had the shoulder issues. Jeter Downs had a down year. Yep, downjure.

oh man we're just we're not gonna let that go huh but yeah like I I don't know I'd probably consider that at least I think you should you know especially if Downs is because Downs played a AAA this year right oh yeah the whole year yep

so he's close is obviously needs to perform better he had a 62 WRC plus in AAA this year but Ouch Yeah, with a 32.3% strikeout rate. Oh, my gosh. These are two

Yeah, I don't know. Prospects who are damaged goods in a way. Yeah, it comes down to Jerry and his staff. How much do they like Jeter Downs? Because I know they liked him in 2019. But that was two full years ago. And a lot has happened since then. But they still don't really have that second base.

And he's, I mean, he's 23 right now, right? Like he's 23 for a while. Hey, he's still a good prospect. I mean, yeah. It's just yet. I don't know. I don't know if I would want to trade Hancock for that. I'd probably want a major leagueer if I'm going to trade Hancock.

Yeah. Yeah. But that would be interesting. Like, I'm not going to not going to lie. That would be like that that trade comes across. I think you have to consider it. Yeah. I think you have to consider it.

But it's not. I think ultimately. it's just it's it's a massive risk that you're taking and I don't know I don't want to get too scared by the shoulder issues with Hancock because the ceiling is just so incredibly high with him right I think if jeter down's had a decent year that triple A you'd be more open to it because he was so bad all year you're just kind of like uh but uh so Yeah. We got one more trade here before we head on over to our next segment. But Cameron W. at Mariners tried in on Twitter has the Mariners getting sunny gray, right-handed pitcher from the Reds for Levi Stout, Jake Frailey and Drew Steckenrider. So my initial thought on here, oh, by the way, real quick, before we actually get into this trade,

we need to give Jordan's trade a grade. Would you like to go first on that front? 65 for creativity. Like 40 on realism, 35 on realism. And to be honest, I care more about the creativity, because I'm just looking for a fun conversation. Yeah, for sure. So I'll give it like a 45 to 50.

Okay. Just for that, just for sparking the conversation. and for the Downs Year pun or maybe it actually deserves a lower grade for that undecided. So, Sunny Gray for Levi Stout

Jake Freley. Levi Stout, Jake Freley, Drew, Steckinrider for Sunny Gray, what do you think about this one? Not enough. Yeah. It's just your Steckham Rider will have some value to the Reds because

the Reds are probably looking to still compete but I just don't see them trading one of their top starters for this package when they are trying to compete. Yeah. Yep. I mean, you're going to have to put like Chris Flexen in there. Freilly again,

but it doesn't have probably. Or you could swap out Kyle Lewis for Jake Freilly. Yeah. I still don't know if they do that. I mean, they're probably going to have to replace Castiano's. But I don't know. For some reason,

I can see like Mark Kanna, just randomly be in a Cincinnati Red after Castiano's leave. So, um, Yeah, it just, you're not going to get, you know, no disrespect to Freyley or Steckin Rider or Stout, but you're not going to get Sunny Gray for scraps. You know, Steck and Ryder can certainly help, and Frey in the right role can help, but they're not going to help as much as Sunny Gray.

And if Cincinnati wants to trade Sunny Gray, they can do better than that package. So, yeah, you're going to have to add Lewis. You're going to have to add, or you're going to have to have. to add flexen instead of stout or something you're going to have to give them something like Steckin rider and and flexen is interesting because they improve the they improve the bullpen and they at least get a replacement a viable replacement for for gray but it's still a pretty big now grade from grade of flexen so yeah it uh just it's not it's not a fair evaluation on both sides. Yeah, gray is a V good. So you got to come correct with the with the return on that.

And that's just that one that's just not going to get it done. So I'm going to give this one, 38, 2080 gradient scale. What about you? It's interesting because there is no gray area with how good sunny is. Oh, my God. What made you turn into the pun guy today? I'll give this a, 40 grade. You know, I'm on vacation right now. So when you guys are listening to this, I'm on vacation. So I broke out the puns.

I just, I don't think that I have anymore. But we'll see how the next couple trades go. But yeah, this is like a 35 to me, maybe a 40. Like I'm all for acquiring Sunny Gray. It's just going to, your cost is is way too low. Hopefully I'm wrong. Yeah. Because I would, I would love to get Sunny Gray for that trade package.

But I don't think you are. Yeah, yeah, I would agree. So we're going to be back with more trades in just a moment, but real quick, a reminder of this episode of Lockdown Mariners, is sponsored by Bilt Bar. Don't you just hate it when you're out and about in hunger strikes, but the only convenient options are unhealthy and going to make you feel worse in the end? That doesn't have to be the case anymore if you choose Bilt Bar.

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We're going to continue that right now here with a couple more trades. This one coming from Damien Grubbs at Grubbs Damien on Twitter. who has a very simple one-for-one swap with the Cardinals here. Darren McCack in the right-handed pitcher, who was just outrighted to AAA Tacoma by the Mariners, made one start in the Astros game that the Mariners made a huge comeback. And some people forget. That's who started that game.

And that was the reason that they fell on a 70 hole. I did not forget. Yeah. Oh, okay. Oh, boy. That was quite the night. So Damien has the Mariners sending Darren McCack into the Cardinals for shortstop Paul DeYoung, but Damien's idea is to have DeYoung play third base. Now, DeYoung has struggled, and that's to put it lightly.

He's 28 years old. This year, he had a WRC plus of just 86. He slashed 197, 284, 390, did have 190. he walked 8.7% of the time, which is decent. And only struck out, you know, 25.6% of the time. Not great, but also not dreadful. But overall, not so hot at the plate for Paul DeYoung. But he was a 4.2 F4 player in 2019.

And he's still a good defender. Not sure if Darren McCacken would get it done. But I do think that the Cardinals would be open to trading DeYoung. And he is an interesting flyer. for the Mariners to take. Probably not to rely on as a starter necessarily, but possibly a good flyer to take to put on your bench at least. Yeah, I think that's the thing is that you don't want to acquire DeYoung

with the idea that he's starting. He's guaranteed a starting spot. So I've thought about DeYoung. I think we've talked about him before on CTZ a little bit. But yeah, you know, he just turned 28, so I guess he is still technically Paul D. Young. But there's a lot of downside here. I'm going to stop recording if you don't stop with us.

Well, I mean, like I said, I think I wasn't with Paul B. Young, but it's just out of us to go with D. Young. Oh, man. There's some upside here. But again, I think you're not going to get him for macaquin. Maccacin's worthless. he's he's he's roster filler um yeah minor league roster filler so you're going to have to come with some better than that um the young under contract still uh which may or may not help him uh through 23 and there are a couple of team options so you know there's a couple things to consider here

does seattle think that paul de young they can they can help him um are and are they do they feel comfortable enough about that to give up something of value it's going to it's going to cost you something worthwhile to acquire Paul DeYoung. I mean, it's not going to cost you Brandon Williamson or it shouldn't, but it's not. Would you trade Drew Steckenrider from Paul DeYoung? Yeah. I would. Because that might, because that might work, honestly.

Maybe. And that's the thing is that, you know, next year DeYoung's going to make 6.16 million. And then the year after that, he's going to make 9.16. And then he's got a couple player options. But the first year player, the first player option is for 12.5 and there's a $2 million buyout. So right there, you're looking at $17 million, $17.5 million for the next two years, guaranteed for DeYoung. That's not chump change. I mean, it's not a lot, but it's not, you know, something you can just absorb if you're not sure you can fix him.

So are the Mariners sure that they can help Paul DeYoung? If they are, fine. And I think that's okay. But you still shouldn't count on him to be the everyday third basement. So Paul DeYoung is kind of a utility guy who plays some seconds, some short. shorts and third fine um paul de young is my starting third basement and just ignore the position after i acquire him uh no no thanks so uh it's a good player the deal is just it's a good player to target it's a fun player to talk about the deal is just way off you you have to give the cardinals

something of value because as bad as de young was he was still a win and a half player by baseball and that's in about you know two thirds of a season so yeah uh he's still about a two-win player the in the power is still is still playable. So, yeah, interesting guy, but you're going to have to go up something more than McCacken, a lot more. Also to note here is that DeYoung's never played third base at the major league level. Yeah. He's actually only played, he's only played 158 innings outside of shortstop.

And that was all at second base in 2017. So, pretty good shortstop, though. Yeah, he's, he's. I would even go as far I would even go as far as to say he's a very good shot shortstop defensively JP Crawford ask

yeah it's just yeah there's a lot of risk with the bat but if you're requiring him to be a bench guy yeah absolutely and I think you know if you could get him for Drew Steckinrider or you could get him for

you know a B prospect then I'd probably be into that so I'll I'll give this trade a 50 just for the idea of trading for Deon. The actual trade itself, probably 25, honestly, because it's just the, you know, Darren McCacken isn't going to get that done. Yeah, it's, I mean, kudos for coming up with a name that we hadn't talked about yet on the,

on this show. But yeah, just the, the prices is, you know, that's, that's trying to buy a brand new, you know, I don't know. It's a brand new Volkswagen Jetta for the cost of a 1980, 1997 Geo Metro. It's just,

it's not, it's not fair. But you're also not going to spend $40,000 on a new Jetta. You know what I mean? So, I'm kind of on with the car thing today because I wrote an article earlier today.

Yeah. Yeah. It was not the first time you mentioned Geo Metro. Yeah. I just, I always, as the person that edits your articles on Seahaw. Maven, yeah, you have been doing a lot of stuff with the car

analogies. No, so I'll give this trade like overall. I'll give it like a 40. Okay. You'd come with Steck and Rider. I probably would have given them like a 55 or a 60 because that's a fun trade. Yeah. I'm going to give your car analogies a 20 though.

I appreciate that. It seems high, but. That seems high. All right. So Tyler Cartwright. Cartwright has a trade as well at Ty Cart 50. Mariner's get Horace Polanco. Twins get Kyle Lewis, Abraham, Toro, and Zach Deloge.

Colby, I know you love Jorge Polanco. Not sure this package is going to get it done, but it's a good starting point at least, right? Read it to me again real fast. So it's Kyle Lewis, Abraham, Toro, and Zach the loach for Horace Polanco. I mean, Polanco is really good. Yeah. And the twins are not going to just rebuild for, you know, no reason.

Yeah, you're going to have to overpay, quote, unquote, a little bit here. Gosh, I don't know because now I give up Lewis. So there's my hypothetically fourth outfielder. But a guy who has, you know, starting upside and more. I give up Abraham Toro, who's, you know, at least a solid utility guy who I think can hit. And then I have to give up who's the last piece again. Zach DeLoge, top prospect, Zach the Lodge. I mean, that is a theme for those that do not know.

Yes. Fourth outfielder upside, I think, there. Seth Smithish. That's really tough because Polanco is very good. And I don't think people understand how good it is. I feel like you're going to have to give up a Matt Brasher or an Emerson, Hancock or someone like that for, for Plano. I think you're going to have to give up Nolvi. Yeah.

I just if Lewis was was healthy all year then I think you could maybe pull this one off but he wasn't and again I don't think the twins are just going to full scale rebuild. I think they want to move some salaries. I think they want to move some guys they can't extend. But Polanco is under contract and it's a very good contract for the twins. So I just don't think this is quite enough. But it's interesting. Yeah, it's interesting. I think. it needs more. I also feel like Lewis makes more sense if you're also getting Buxton in the deal. Yeah. But that I don't like return is going to have to be massive

if you're going to get those two guys. I don't think that I don't think that the Mariners would trade four years of Kyle Lewis for one year of Buxton. No, no, I know. I know what you're saying. like if Polanco was in the deal too and it's, you know, it's,

it's Lewis and, and Hancock or whatever. Yeah. Then you probably do that. Mm-hmm. Or even Lewis and and Brash and Noelvi or whatever.

Then yeah, you probably should do that. But yes, this is a good one because it's tough. Yeah. It's, uh, it's,

it's, it's definitely something to think about. I'm going to give this one a 55. I think that's probably about right. Yeah. I think it's just about, you know, above average to the point where it's good starting point. Probably doesn't get it done. Most likely doesn't get it done.

I think you're going to need to give up a much more valuable piece at the top of it. But, you know, and that's not to say that Kyle Lewis isn't. I just, I think that you're going to need to have at least two Kyle Lewis type of pieces involved here. And Toro and Deloche just aren't that. So I think, you know, look at what folks are probably, you know, trading for Jose Ramirez. Dial that down a little bit. And that's probably where you are for a Polanco. Yeah.

Because, again, he's really good. And you got to convince Minnesota to trade him. Yep. So that's going to take quite a lot. All right, so we're going to have two more trades on the docket in just a moment to look over. But real quick, I want to remind you this episode of Lockdown Mariners is brought to you by betonline.ag. We're back and better than ever. A new web interface for the start of the basketball season and more props, odds, and lines than ever before.

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All right, so we're going to kick off the final segment of Fan Fiction Friday here with a three-team trade. that was sent to us via email and they didn't have their name in the email and i'm not going to read off their email address because that's all that showed up uh so if you're listening and you submitted this trade thank you appreciate it and if uh you do want to submit your name to to have it read out at some point please send that along with the trade uh but this uh this anonymous person uh has a three team deal in which the mariners get jake kroninworth and ian have two utility infielders in half plays in the outfield some as well.

Padres get Jake Fraley, Drew, Steckinrider, and Wilson Contreras from the Cubs. And the Cubs get Zach DeLoch, Jackson, Merrill, and Brian Medina. Colby, this is a lot to take in. Where do you want to start with this? I mean, we can start with what the Mariners got, which is, you know, a very good player and a N-E-N-Hap. Hap is a pretty good player, too. But, you know, I just, I'm a big Cronin-Worth fan.

So, yeah. Obviously, getting those two would be great because Cronin-worth is probably your second baseman next year, and Hap was probably your center fielder. And both are still young and they're controllable. And, you know, they still have upside left to tap into. So that would be, that would be great to acquire those two guys. I don't think they can get those two for Fraley's Steck and Riter and Deloge.

Yeah. That just, that seems like wishful thinking to me. Yeah. Like, why would Seattle get the two best players in the trade in this trade? Without having to give up a top prospect. Oh, please. Croninworth and Hap are better than Contreras. I mean,

Catyrus is probably better than half. Probably not. We're talking about trade. He plays a catcher though. That's a very valuable. He's an offensive catcher. Yeah, one year. Yeah.

You get half for what, three? Half is the more valuable trade piece here. It's two or three. And it's close enough that that matters. And half can also play a little bit of everywhere. So, yeah, I just, I don't see it. It's two. Okay. He's a free agent in 24.

okay i still feel really good about that call so you get the two best players in this trade and you don't have to give up the third best player in this trade it just seems unrealistic to me um like you're the pop make a pun this time oh that's still hap anine um uh see now you just made me so hap he uh but i like why why do the podre why would the podgers give up cron and worth um Aunt Jackson Merrill, right? He's, he's one of theirs. Why would they give that up? Medina.

Oh, yeah, and Medina. So I would they give up those three guys for Wilson Contreras, Jake Fraley, who's nothing, and Drew's second rider, who's a reliever. I mean, one year Contreras is worth that much? No, he's not. They still have Nola in the organization. Like, I know the Padres had a whole. I have Carantini as well.

Right. I know the Padre and they have Campi Son. who's still young and exciting. So, like, I know the Padres had some issues at catcher this last year, but, you know, creating a massive hole at second base to, you know, or first base for them or whatever position Croninworth is, to get one year of a catcher who, in theory, Austinola could be better than.

I mean, good Austinola hits in, and Nola was hurt this year and he never really got it going, but there's no guarantee that Nola isn't better than Contreras. So why would you make that upgrade? I mean, I guess you put Nola at first base and Contreras can catch.

Like, I'm not saying that the Padres don't make sense for Contreras. What I am saying is it doesn't make sense for the Padres to trade Croninworth for Contreras. Croninworth's got a few years of club control left. He's just a better player, more versatile. So I don't know

why the Padres would make this trade. And honestly, I don't really know why. I mean, okay, I can get why the Cups would do it. Like Deloche, Merrill, and Medina, that's a pretty good haul for Contreras or Hap, but both of them together, and that's what you get. They probably want somebody with a little more upside than Deloche and Merrill.

So, yeah, it's a really interesting deal, and three-team deals are incredibly difficult to come up but I just think there's a few missing pieces here and I think if you're looking for a three-team deal, I think San Diego is probably not the way to go. All right, so we got one last trade coming from a Patreon subscriber of ours, Andrew, and you have that trade pulled up here, Colby, so break that down for us. All right, so Andrew has the Mariners acquiring Lorenzo Kane,

Josh Hater, and Eric Lauer, and a little bit of cat. from the from the brewers in exchange for matt brash zach deloche and paul seawald what do you think the lorenzo cane thing gives me pause here i just how does he help you in 2022 because Lorenzo cane nowadays is not good and that's just a lot of money to take on to get hater who is a an upgrade over seawald he's safer than Seawall that's for sure and you get Eric Lauer

who's fine you know he's not fantastic but he's fine he'll fit in the you know in your third or fourth spot in your rotation hopefully I just it just seems like a lot to take on and then give up

for a decent upgrade in the bullpen and an average starting pitcher. It's worth noting that Lorenzo Kane has one year left on his contract, but it's for $18 million. Yeah. And so that's going to, like, that could be the difference in between signing Michael Conforto this offseason.

Right. You know, it's funny. Lorenzo Kane is kind of the outfield version of Kyle Seas. Seeger in that like overall his numbers this year they were fine you put up a 2.2 B war he 257 329 401 uh you know only eight home runs and 13 stolen bases but still an okay defender um but his best days are definitely behind him so cane is is kind of Kyle Seeger but in the outfield and then that's that's a lot to take on because you're you're talking about taking, you know, by our estimates, 25%.

He also had some injury concerns as a way. He only played five games in 2020. He only played 78 this year. Like, that's not good. Exactly. So, like, on a per game basis, Kane this year was pretty good, but he only played half a year.

You know, and in 2019, his last full year, 260, 325, 372. He did win a gold club, but he's not a base dealer anymore. He doesn't have for a lot of power. like I said, defensively, he's still really good. But it just feels like this is just Kyle Seeger in, you know, a new form. And it's like, why would I want to do that to myself?

And I'm assuming that Andrew's point here would be, well, you do that so that you can get Hater, who's definitely an upgrade. And Lauer, who you definitely would help your rotation. But I just, why would. the why would the brewers then trade Josh Hader? You know what I mean? Like, and Lauer. They could use both. And to get Seawald and

Deloche or a brash I mean yeah, I just, I don't know. This deal is, is interesting. But it's just one of those things where it's like I don't know that it makes sense for either side. Because honestly, I would rather have

brash than Eric Lauer. I'd rather take, the chance that Brash is something good than Eric Lauer. And Lauer was great in the second half of last year. Andrew says himself that his fastball ticked up in the middle of the year and he had a three, four, two, fip from July until the end of the year. He was good this year. I'm not, I'm not saying he's not.

But again, like, if you're specifically, if you're the Brewers, like, what are you going? You just, you traded Lorenzo Kane, sure. But now you need to go get another starting pitcher and you need to go get a reliever. Um, probably a pretty good one because do you really want to trust Paul Seawall to, to repeat? And we already saw Seawalls start to crack at the end of the year. So yeah, I, I think this is an interesting trade, but I think you're maybe putting a little too much stock in, in the brewer's desperation to, to shed salary. Um, I think, I don't think they're willing to trade, you know,

key contributors to, to shed the salary of Lorenzo Cain, especially since they could probably eat, like, you know, not. nine, ten million off of that. And somebody, somebody's going to want Lorenzo Kane at one and, and six or seven, right? I mean,

so I just, I don't see, I think, I think maybe you're overvaluing the, the cash aspect of this. Yeah. Yeah. Um,

I just, I don't really see it for both teams, honestly. Just a lot for the Mariners to take on, give up, and then for the burers. I just, uh,

doesn't, like for all the reasons that you mentioned. It just doesn't make a ton of sense, honestly. But it's a fun deal, at least to talk about and to go over. So it's pretty creative. Yeah, creative for sure. I just, yeah, I just don't know if like either team would be thrilled to make that happen. I'm going to give this one.

Let's see here. I think I'll give this one of 55 as well. Yeah, it's probably like a 65 or a 70 in creativity because this is, you know, a team that we haven't really seen much of connection between. This is, these are players. We haven't really talked about much. You know, there's definitely thought that went into it. I just, I think maybe you're putting a little too much value on the, on the money side of things. You know, the payroll flexibility.

Because honestly, if I'm the brewers, I'm just, I'm just carrying the little bit of extra this year. because they were close. They were pretty close. And they didn't even have good Christian Yelich all year. So I've got to feel like he's probably going to bounce back. And then I have a good shot. Central's nothing to really scoff at. Or nothing to really be afraid of.

The Cubs are on a downturn. The Cardinals needed a 17-game winning streak to get into the playoffs. The Reds have questions. Like, I would feel pretty good if I was the Brewers about making the playoffs next year. So maybe I just take it on the chin, spend an extra. It'll be like maybe 10 million over where I am next. where I want to be. And then next year, Kane comes off the books and maybe I

don't spend all the money that I have on Kane and I make it up that way. So, uh, overall, I'd give this trade, or I'd give this trade like probably like a 52. Somewhere in there. It's, it's pretty good. But it's just, it's not quite there. All right. Well, that's going to do it for our show. Thank you so much for joining us here on Lockdown Mariners and for submitting your trade proposals for Colby Pat node. I'm Taday and Gonzalez. Be sure to give us a follow on Twitter

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