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Starting point is 00:00:00 The Pats walk away with a win in Sinty, but it wasn't easy, and it looks like it'll end up being very costly. We're live for a post game, and this is Lockdown Patriots. You are Locked-on Patriots, your daily New England Patriots podcast, part of the Locked-on Podcasts Network, your team every day. What's happening? I'm your host, Nick Cattles, born and raised in New England, been covering the pass for 16 years. Also the co-host of the Greg Bedard Patriots podcast with Nick Cattels and a sports radio veteran. Welcome to Lockdown Patriots, part of the Lockdown Podcast Network. Now the number one sports podcast network, your team every day. On today's post game, we'll discuss a decision by

Starting point is 00:00:47 Mike Vrable that I disagreed with and why. Also, the injuries are piling up and some might just be severe by the looks of them. But first, the pats find a way and respond to adversity, ending up with their 10th win of the season. Today's episode is sponsored by prize picks. Download the prize picks at today. And use code locked on NFL to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup. How did the Patriots win this game?

Starting point is 00:01:15 How in the world did they win this game in Cincinnati, 26 to 20? Well, I start with Drake May. Drake May responded. And that's why this team walked away, maybe even limped away, with a win in Cincinnati. Drake May's response after a bad start speaks volumes to his mental toughness and his ability to battle that adversity and show resiliency. Now, numbers-wise, nobody's going to be going bananas over Drake May's 62.9% completion

Starting point is 00:01:50 percentage. 294 yards. He still has not reached 300 passing yards in a game, which is kind of crazy. The one touchdown, the one interception of course. course, that interception was a pick six, had Hunter Henry wide open in the middle of the field and missed him. But the ability for Drake May to come back after what was one of his worst starts to a game in quite a while. I mean, he was all over the place. He has been incredibly accurate all season for the most part. But when you look at how this game began, I mean,

Starting point is 00:02:22 he just had some throws that were weird. Travion Henderson wide open in the flat for a checkdown. He air mails him. You saw him airmail Hunter Henry, as I just mentioned, who was open, tried to layer the throw, but I mean, just airmailed it, overshot him, resulting in a pick six. He was throwing behind guys. He was throwing over guys. And it seemed like Drake May for the first time, as far as accuracy went, he just couldn't find it. You need to go back to, you know, the rainy game that we all witnessed. And, Tampa on that first drive when Drake May was kind of floating it over intended receivers. And he was scattered.

Starting point is 00:03:04 The accuracy wasn't there. And he just did not look like himself. And Trent Green, the color commentator on the game today, kept saying it. He doesn't look like himself. He doesn't look comfortable. But then he found it. He battled back. And he made several huge plays, including a number of big plays on third down yet again.

Starting point is 00:03:23 Second quarter, fourth drive of the game for the Patriots, third and four, shotgun Formation, Drake May scrambles, gets six yards, moves the chains. Third and two, on the same drive, shotgun formation, finds Hunter Henry on the crossing route, 12 yards, first down, move those chains. That drive ends up in a touchdown. So you convert on not one but two third downs thanks to Drake May. Third quarter, second drive of the second half, second and six, an absolute dime by Drake May down the sideline to Matt Collins, chunk play 25 plus yards.

Starting point is 00:03:58 Third and 12. Shotgun formation. Drake May extends, finds Hunter Henry for 10 yards. Now, if he doesn't find Hunter Henry for 10 yards there, you're looking at a 55-yard field goal attempt or a punt. But because he is able to extend that play, find Henry, get 10 yards. You get the 45-yard field goal attempt by Andy Borogales, which was good. The Patriots go up 20 to 13.

Starting point is 00:04:25 The fourth quarter. Final drive for the Patriots. Third and 10, shotgun formation. Find Stefan Diggs, who for most of this game was on the back of a milk carton, but he comes up with a huge catch for 14 yards. And that drive ends up with a 52-yard field goal again by Andy Baragallis, which puts you up 26 to 20 at that time. So some huge plays from your quarterback yet again,

Starting point is 00:04:53 some huge plays on third down from that quarterback. You were down 10-0 in this game. May was spraying it all over the football field, but he settled down, he battled the adversity, and he found ways to make plays and win this game. And it's really all on May, isn't it? I mean, you watch this offensive operation, and this has been the case for most of the year.

Starting point is 00:05:19 Stefan Diggs, one of his top guys, quiet all day until that huge third down. The run game again wasn't good. 24 carries, 71 yards against this Cincinnati defense. One of the worst run defenses in football, you could argue, the worst run defense in football, and you get 71 yards on 24 carries from your running backs. Just not nearly good enough. Hunter Henry, critical.

Starting point is 00:05:46 Critical today. I don't know what this offense would have looked like if it wasn't for Hunter Henry destroying some of the linebackers of Cincinnati. Hunter Henry finished with seven catches, 115 yards and a touchdown. So thankfully, Hunter Henry showed up big. Andy Boragallis showed up big. Early in the year, I was like, uh-oh, we're watching Borogales miss extra points, miss a field goal or two, and you start saying to yourself,

Starting point is 00:06:13 if not into the world like I did on Twitter, the Patriots might have a kicking problem or they do have a kicking problem. Andy Boragalus, since the very early part of this season, has been absolutely freaking nails. Four for four today on his field goals, including that 52-yarder. He was tremendous. Your rookie kicker was excellent today. Thanks to your rookie kicker and your second-year quarterback, you survived. And the defense did enough.

Starting point is 00:06:40 I know we watch this defense. We say it every week. There are some parts of this defense that's just, they're so. frustrating to watch at times. But the fact is, your defense held Cincinnati to 13 points. The pick six is on Drake May. So that is seven points gifted to Cincinnati. You take that seven off the board.

Starting point is 00:07:04 Your defense held them to 13 points. And I thought that the Bengals would score 20 points in this game. My prediction for this game was 3120 Patriots if Joe Flackle was the quarterback. Now, we'll get to this later if the Patriots could have scored inside the five-yard line. my prediction would have looked absolutely wonderful, but they couldn't, so it didn't. But your defense held this Bangle's offense to 13 points. You can't complain about that. Cincinnati was three for 13 on third down. So again, the Patriots defense played very, very well on third down. Carlton Davis, you want to talk about showing some resiliency? I thought he showed some resiliency.

Starting point is 00:07:44 not one, not two, but three pass breakups on that final drive for Cincinnati, Marcus Jones, with the big pass breakup on fourth down to end this game to seal it for the Patriots. Marcus Jones, of course, also had the pick six responding to Drake May's pick six. It was far from perfect. The run defense looked leaky again. The pass rush with four guys was again almost non-existent, and you absolutely unequivocally missed Milton Williams today. You missed his impact.

Starting point is 00:08:16 We knew that you would miss his impact. You missed his impact. That defensive line left a lot to be desired for most of this day, giving up a 21-yard run at the end of the half, which ends up in a field goal for Sincere, that's inexcusable. It's inexcusable execution. But they got the win. They got the win.

Starting point is 00:08:40 Thanks to May. Thanks to Henry. Thanks to Boregalis. to the defense doing enough in their third down defense and Carlton Davis and Marcus Jones on that final drive, you walk away with a 26-20 win and you are now 10 and 2 on the season. We have a lot more to cover, a lot more to cover during this post game. I think everyone, I think everyone can officially stop talking about the tremendous injury luck that the Patriots have had. We can stop talking about that.

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Starting point is 00:11:06 Let's show the rest of lockdown that Patriots fans can absolutely represent their football team. And let's make Lockdown Patriots one of the best, if not, the best podcasts in this space. I got tired. I got tired of hearing people in reading about the tremendous injury luck of the New England Patriots over the past few weeks. And my friend Greg Bedard is public enemy number one when it comes to this. He's gone on radio and talked about the magical touch of Mike Vrable and how everybody

Starting point is 00:11:38 that gets hurt comes back quickly. And I just, I got tired of it because it's not as. as if you were walking into the playoffs. I mean, you had played 11 games. You still had six games left. And to me, it was way too early to be squawking about the tremendous injury luck. It is a game of attrition. It is a battle of attrition.

Starting point is 00:12:00 And I think now at this point after today's game, we can take all the injury luck talk and we can shove it right into the garbage can because that injury luck talk is officially DOA at this point. Jared Wilson, early in this game, gets hurt, carted to the locker room. According to post-game reports in the locker room, Jared Wilson had a walking boot and a crutch. Not a good sign, folks. Not a good sign when you have a walking boot and a crutch. If that wasn't bad enough, you lose your starting left guard. Will Campbell goes down. and he's carted to the locker room. And I don't know about you,

Starting point is 00:12:44 but I would not look at Will Campbell as an emotional guy. I don't think he's a drama king, you know, worried about the cameras. I don't think he's going to overreact to injuries. And as soon as that injury happened, when they went to Will Campbell, he was lying on his back on the field. He looked emotional. And I was concerned right away because I don't think Will Campbell's the type of guy who's going to be lying down on the field looking emotional unless he knows something significantly

Starting point is 00:13:15 just went wrong. And then the TV goes to break. We find out on Twitter, social media, that players were kneeling around Will Campbell. We get back from the commercial break. We see Will Campbell being carted to the locker room. He has the towel over his head, which is the universal signal of, I'm crying my eyes out. Stefan Diggs said in the post game, hopefully it's not as bad as we think.

Starting point is 00:13:43 It feels like this is a devastating injury for Will Campbell, which stinks. It stinks out loud because Will Campbell's been good. We've talked about it. Will Campbell has been good at left tackle. He hasn't been spectacular, but he has been above average. And he has been at least steady.

Starting point is 00:14:03 And now who knows what's wrong with the knee, because the Patriots did announce it's a knee. I'm not going to speculate. But just the reaction from Campbell, the reaction from his teammates, it doesn't feel like it's going to be good news when we find out officially what happened to Will Campbell today. Mike Grable would not talk about any of these injuries in the post game, did not want to touch them with a 10-foot pole. But now you got Vedarian Lowe at left tackle.

Starting point is 00:14:30 And we saw Vadarian Lowe last year, and we didn't love Vedarion Lowe at left tackle last season. So this Will Campbell injury could be a gigantic injury for this football team. And now the left side of your offensive line, we'll see what happens with Jared Wilson. But again, judging from Jared Wilson in a walking boot with a crutch, that usually means it's a significant injury, folks. And Will Campbell and what's DeFon Digg said after the game and Will Campbell's reaction, that also looked like a pretty significant injury. We could be, and I underline the word, could be, we could be talking about.

Starting point is 00:15:04 about the starting left side of your offensive line being done for the season. And if not for the season, maybe Jared Wilson can possibly come back. If slash when you get to the playoffs, maybe he can find himself back on the field. But it feels right now in the moment that both Jared Wilson and Will Campbell are going to be out for a significant period of time. And that is just crushing. The left side of your offensive line, the blind side for your quarterback, if they are out for extended period of time, that that is going to be an issue that hopefully you can survive and get through, but it ain't going to be easy because nobody's going to sit there and ask for Vedarian Lowe

Starting point is 00:15:46 to be your starting left tackle. Ben Brown has been good in spots, but his third snap today, he gets pushed in the backfield creating pressure on Drake May immediately. So now you're looking at, I think, Vedarian Lowe and Ben Brown for quite a ways here, quite a ways. And that's going to put a lot of pressure on your tight ends. And the tight ends, both Hunter Henry and Austin Hooper have been inconsistent when it comes to blocking and in pass protection. And so now this is going to put even more pressure on Hunter Henry and Austin Hooper to protect Drake May. It's going to put even more pressure on your running backs

Starting point is 00:16:23 and Ramandre Stevenson and Trevion Henderson. It's going to put more pressure on those guys to protect your quarterback and pick up blitzes. This is a trickle-down effect, the domino effect when you lose to starting offensive linemen the same day, on the same side, that's going to create a mess. And Drake May has to continue to stand tall and show the pocket poise that he has shown. He has to be able to navigate the pocket because I'm telling you right now, If Vidarian Lowe starts becoming a turnstile, and Ben Brown is a question and pass protection and everything's going on here, I'm telling you, it's really difficult for any quarterback, no matter how great the quarterback is or how great the quarterback is playing, it's very, very difficult for the quarterback to not be thinking about the pass rush in the back of their head if they don't trust the guys in front of them.

Starting point is 00:17:19 And if you are without Campbell and Wilson for this extended period of time, and you've got Lowe and Brown, on the left side, Drake May has to try as hard as he possibly can to not allow that to seep into his brain. He's got to trust his guys. He's got to trust his tight ends and his running backs to pick up blitzes if they come at him. So there's going to be some pressure. There's going to be some pressure on Drake May. And there's going to be some pressure on Josh McDaniels. Because now if you are dealing with two backup offensive linemen on the left side, you've got to find ways. You've got to create ways to get rid of the football quicker. We haven't seen a ton of quick game this year from the Patriots, and that's been surprising. But I think you might see

Starting point is 00:18:04 some more quick game from Josh McDaniels moving forward if you do have these offensive line questions. This is going to be a big time, big time challenge for Josh McDaniels. This is why your offensive coordinator is huge in this type of situation. Alex Van Pelt last year, I thought, failed the football team by not protecting his tackles enough. Well, now Josh McDaniels will have that opportunity. Find ways. Find ways to move the ball. You don't have a great run game.

Starting point is 00:18:34 You've got some offensive line injuries now. It's going to be up to Josh McDaniels to find those ways to move the ball, to protect his quarterback, to get the ball out of the hands of Drake May, even quicker. Don't let this become a disaster. And if it wasn't enough with Jared Wilson and Will Campbell getting both carded to the locker room today, Kyrie's Tonga also got banged up, has a chest injury. And so now you don't have Milton Williams for at least the next three games, as we know,

Starting point is 00:19:05 because he's on IR. You were going to bank on Kyrie's Tonga to take a decent amount of those snaps. We'll see how healthy Tonga is, but he was banged up today. Brendan Schuller was seen in the locker room walking around with a boot on. and I know he's a special teams guy. We don't talk about special teams a lot, but Brendan Schuller is one of your best special teams players, along with Marcus Jones.

Starting point is 00:19:31 So Kyrie's Tonga, Brendan Schuller, Jared Wilson, Will Campbell, Morgan Moses left for a couple of minutes. Thankfully, it was only an illness, and he came back. I'm sure he got an IV in the locker room. He was able to come back, thankfully. But no more. I don't want to hear about injury luck.

Starting point is 00:19:47 It is done. Shoot it into the sun. I'm done with it. If anybody sits there and talks about the injury luck for the first couple months of this season by the Patriots and for the Patriots, I have zero patience for that. I'm done with that conversation. It ends today. This is what happens when you don't have a buy week until week 14 for the second straight year, by the way. But this is what happens when you've got to try to get through 13 consecutive weeks without a buy, which is absolutely insane to me.

Starting point is 00:20:17 And that would be insane for any team. But this is what happens. All right, we've got more. We've got more. Stay tuned. We'll be right back quickly here and talk about the Pats having an opportunity to run away with this one because they did. But they kept coming up just short. We've got to talk about the Red Zone offense.

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Starting point is 00:22:02 trying to continue to grow this brand with all of you your tremendous support this season i took over in april can't say enough uh all of you that have been standing by and watching all these podcasts and and going back and forth and interacting with each other in the comments so don't forget to like comment and subscribe. All right, we got to talk about the red zone offense. I wish I didn't have to, but if I didn't talk about the red zone offense after this game, it would be malpractice on my part. The Patriots red zone offense today was disgusting. And we have to appreciate the context that not only was your red zone offense horrific, it was against one of the worst

Starting point is 00:22:44 red zone defenses in football. What was? we saw from the red zone offense today was inexcusable. It felt like the Patriots had 30 snaps from inside the five and couldn't get into the end zone. First drive of the third quarter was an absolute killer. Drake May is looking at a third in 11 throws a dime, throws a dime down the field to Pop Douglas, 37 yards. Beautiful throw. And you're like, yes, right? You were stuck third and 11 first drive out of halftime critical drive want to put points on the board you had a really bad end of the half you allow a 21 yard run to chase brown you allow to 16 or 17 yard catch to t higgins and of course Cincinnati hits a bomb of a field goal it was a bad ending to the first half you go out

Starting point is 00:23:36 there in the second half you're looking at a third and 11 you're like man oh man the patriots don't convert this third and 11 Cincinnati gets the football back they're going to have all this momentum. May with a great pass to Pop Douglas, really, really good catch by Pop who was able to keep his concentration somehow. You get 37 yards. And then you have a first and 10 deep shot down to the left sideline, Kishon Booty. You get the obvious defensive pass interference call on Cincinnati, which set you up first and goal. Here's what happened after that. First and goal. looked like a quarterback back option run kind of deal went nowhere nothing play second in goal under center you swing it to traeion henderson he gets four yards he gets you right about at the one yard line third in

Starting point is 00:24:24 goal i formation play action bootleg pass broken up by giles harris versus hunter henry fourth in goal one yard line under center incomplete to k sean booty you get another defensive pass in a ferrence call so you just had four shots at the goal line pretty much inside the five you couldn't get in but you're gifted another set of downs i shouldn't say gifted you're given another set of downs because it was an obvious hold and an obvious dPI on cincinnati first and goal i formation terrell jennings no gain second in goal under center i formation play action henry gets a touchdown called back mac hollons offensive pass interference second and goal i thought this was a really good play called by Josh McDaniels, the shotgun play action shovel pass to Hunter Henry, which gets you to the one

Starting point is 00:25:14 yard line. Meanwhile, the Patriots spend their second timeout of the drive, which is unconscionable. They spend two of their three timeouts on the first drive of the second half. There was confusion in the huddle. At one point, you had 12 in the huddle. Thankfully, it looked like the official wasn't really paying attention. You go back out there. It's third in goal. You have eye formation. Remandre Stevenson. no gain. Fourth and goal. Shotgun formation. Another run goes nowhere. And I'll tell you, I disagreed with Mike Vrable not kicking on that fourth and goal. I absolutely love Mike Vrable's decision making on fourth down this year. I think he has done a tremendous job. But you had

Starting point is 00:26:02 one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight. You had eight shots to get into the end zone and you couldn't do it. And at that point, I say to myself, we can't score. You can put us at the one and we can have 25 plays and we won't get in. Yeah, it really stinks to kick a field goal from the one yard line. I get it. But given the context, the fact that you had eight straight snaps and you couldn't get in, I would have kicked a field goal.

Starting point is 00:26:34 Number two, if you're not going to kick the field goal, you have to put that play. That fourth and goal, you've got to put it in the hands of Drake May. You cannot run up the middle yet again for no gain. You have to put that play in the hands of your quarterback. You've got to trust your quarterback. So I didn't like the decision to go for it, and I didn't like the play call on fourth and goal.

Starting point is 00:26:57 And then you had another goal line disaster. In the fourth quarter, your third drive of the second half, first and goal under sensor, play action, bootleg, incomplete pass goes nowhere. Second in goal, shotgun formation, Travion Henderson to the half yard line. Almost got in. And then third in goal, you tried this FACTA tush push, which didn't happen. You got absolutely nowhere. And this is against, again, one of the worst red zone defenses in football.

Starting point is 00:27:25 Brutal. Lack of run game. Your offensive line wasn't getting any. push. I thought there was some lack of creativity from your play caller and Josh McDaniels. I mean, you've got to finish these drives. You're moving the ball down. I had the Patriot scoring 31 points today. And if they could actually finish tribes, they would have scored 30, you know, 31, 35 points today. If they could have scored from inside the five, just a really rough day for this offense down in the low red zone. And now you got Vedarian Lowe

Starting point is 00:27:55 and Ben Brown probably on the left side for the foreseeable future of your offensive line, that's not going to make it any easier. Do you spread them out more? I mean, if you're Josh McDaniels, you might want to spread out the defense a little bit more, go empty. Like, I would love to see at least one snap from inside the five where you go empty formation and you have Drake May try to run it in. A little quarterback draw from the shotgun formation.

Starting point is 00:28:21 Spread out the defense and give May a shot. Because this, you know, these condensed formations and trying to run the football, It's just not working consistently. It's really not working on a consistent basis. I know you've got two touchdown runs against the Jets on Thursday night football, but this red zone offense has been mid the entire year. And today, it was brutal to watch, man. It was absolutely brutal that you could not push Cincinnati around and score.

Starting point is 00:28:48 I don't know if you run more motion. I don't know if you need more trickery, but you've got to figure this out. If your quarterback is getting it down to the five-yard line, you've got to finish those drives. Christian Gonzalez also gave up a touchdown to a guy by the name of Mitchell Tinsley, not Mitchell Trabisky, Mitchell Tinsley. I didn't even know he existed. He scored a touchdown on your best corner in the fourth quarter, not idea.

Starting point is 00:29:14 The Carlton Davis defensive pass interference against Higgins. Again, nice job by Carlton Davis to bounce back and have three past breakups in that final drive. Fantastic resiliency from Carlton Davis, but there's another flag on Carlton Davis. Now, fortunately, the Patriots only had four penalties today. So from a discipline standpoint with flags, it's been much better the last two weeks. This one wasn't easy. And this one could end up being very costly as we wait to see what the final diagnosis is of Will Campbell and Jared Wilson's injuries. But a win is a win.

Starting point is 00:29:52 And you are now 10 and 2. You are currently the number one seat in the AFC. You have lots to clean up after this one. The biggest question, obviously, is health. But you are 10 and 2. You've won 9 straight and you've got one more game Monday night football a week from tomorrow night against the New York Giants. You've got one more game to get to your buy and hopefully exhale and figure some of these things out. But a win is a win.

Starting point is 00:30:21 10 and 2. First time the Patriots have won 9 more games straight since I think of what, 2015. So a win is a win, and you're the one seed right now. But man, you cross your fingers and hope these injuries are not as bad as they looked and hope the Patriots can figure out this red zone offense stuff because they had a golden opportunity to boat race Cincinnati today and they didn't take advantage of it. All right, that wraps up this edition of Lockdown Patriots.

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