Locked On Patriots - Daily Podcast On The New England Patriots - Crossover Thursday: New England Patriots vs. Detroit Lions in Week 5

Starting point is 00:00:00 New England Patriots fans, Detroit Lions fans, thank you once again for crossing the streams with us here on the Locked On Podcast Network. Is this the week where either team shows what they can do for the rest of the season? I'm your host, Mike Debate, and I cover your New England Patriots for Patriots Country of Sports Illustrated. And I am joined by Matt Deary, who covers the Detroit Lions for Lockdown Lions. And Matt, it's always an honor, always a privilege when you join me here on these Crossover Thursday episodes of the Lockdown Podcast Network Crossovers. Mike, great to be here. And obviously the Lockdown Lions listeners excited to hear about the Patriots. Listen to you, the cusp of something special. I don't know about that here in Detroit. And after watching the Patriots last week, although they played really well

Starting point is 00:01:05 at times against the Packers, but anytime I see Jelani Tavai on the field, I don't know if any team playing that guy that many snaps is on the cusp of anything special, but this is an intriguing game. This is an intriguing game. Certainly Sunday. I don't, this is when we get to the picks later on, I don't know where I'm going absolutely touche on that one i'm glad that you mentioned that uh it definitely is interesting there is no question about it and before we dive into some of those big storylines that we're going to be talking about folks today crossover thursday is always presented by our friends at prize picks prize picks is so much fun and it's easy to play there's no competing with other players it's just you versus the projections available you don't have to compete with matt and i you're going on your

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Starting point is 00:02:30 so I will extend my Foxborough hospitality to you, my friend. And let us know here in New England, what are some of the big or the biggest storylines heading into this Week 5 matchup in the motor city for the detroit lions i'll say this mike i think the big storyline and my listeners know this is the defense uh it's abysmal it's it's record setting through four weeks uh you score 45 points at home last week to see against seattle and we're not talking about an aaron rogers led packer team we're not talking about tom brady in the bucks we're not talking about pat Aaron Rodgers-led Packer team. We're not talking about Tom Brady and the Bucs. We're not talking about Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs. This was Geno

Starting point is 00:03:08 Smith and Rashad Penny who came into Detroit last weekend and absolutely de-pantsed the Lions. You score 45 at home, you should win. They gave up 48. They've given up the most points in four weeks of any team. It's not even close. Yet, this defense has been so bad, the storyline in Detroit is, what are you going to do about it? Aaron Glenn is a highly thought of defensive coordinator. We've been joking this week. Future head coach Aaron Glenn does not look real good right now. Heard Belichick earlier in the week talk about how he knows Aaron,

Starting point is 00:03:38 coached Aaron, and all these things. But that's a big storyline here is, can the Lions just stop anybody? Outside of three quarters against the Commanders earlier in the year, at home where they really got to Carson Wentz, they've been embarrassed defensively. Jalen Hurts ran circles around him. Kirk Cousins lit him up, although it wasn't Justin Jefferson in that Vikings run game.

Starting point is 00:04:00 And then this past week, like I said, Geno Smith, who's improved, but they made him look like dan fouts so it's it's a storyline worth watching now you you go up against matt patricia holy hell right like lions defense against patricia who's never called offensive plays in his life but now he's the oc in new england what wait a minute we can't call him the oc because he needs to still get paid by detroit so that's a storyline too too. How will the Lions defense go up against Patricia's offense, which I know you'll tell our listeners has not been great either. So be interesting to see how this all shakes this weekend.

Starting point is 00:04:35 Yeah, without any question, I think this is the big storyline for both teams, and that is a struggling defense against what is likely to continue to be a struggling offense. And we're going to get into key matchups in just a moment, so I don't want to tip my hand too much here. But injury is obviously the biggest question, the biggest storyline right now, heading into this matchup with the Detroit Lions for the New England Patriots. Aside from the fact that the Pats are going to be donning their old school white helmets and their red jerseys for this one, there's going to be a lot of red in Foxborough this weekend without a question.

Starting point is 00:05:07 But the real story is indeed the injury status, mostly of Mac Jones, who was on the practice field on Wednesday. He was tossing the ball lightly, looked a little bit more mobile, still walking with a noticeable limp. Just my honest gut reaction from what I saw from Mac today, Matt. I don't believe Mac is going to go in this game. I think they're probably going to err on the side of caution, maybe hold him out one more week, give him a chance to get back to mobility. But the injury report will bear that out and the rest of the week will bear that out. So as much as I don't think so right now, that could change between now and Friday or Saturday. But as we're looking at it right now, I do think that the Patriots air on

Starting point is 00:05:45 the side of caution with Mack, hold him out one more week. That would normally mean that Brian Hoyer would be able to get the ball. Well, Hoyer only lasted two offensive series against Green Bay before going down with a head injury. He was not spotted at practice during the media portion on Wednesday, not looking good for him. So that means that the Western Kentucky rookie, Bailey Zappi, is likely to get his first NFL start. And a lot of people were considering the fact that maybe Zappi was not up to the challenge. The Patriots may look to bring in an experienced veteran to get the start this week. All signs are indicating right now that Zappi would be the guy, and that's most likely how

Starting point is 00:06:23 this will work out now the Patriots did bring in Garrett Gilbert as a backup if neither Hoyer or Jones is able to go then obviously Gilbert would be the backup quarterback for New England on Sunday and that's right now a lot different than the matchup that we would have thought we were going to see in this in this week five contest just a few short weeks ago so things can change in the blink of an eye with New England. Also, injuries can be monitored as well. John O'Smith, tight end, suffered what's being diagnosed right now or called a low ankle sprain.

Starting point is 00:06:57 He's right now week to week. I don't think he will be able to go in this game. So Patriots offense a little bit banged up. They could use a little bit of a spark right now. And unfortunately, I don't see a whole lot in the arsenal to be able to do it. So this may end up determining the game. Can't a struggling defense contain a struggling offense or vice versa? I think whoever wins that battle is probably going to be the team that comes out on top in this one. Mike, give me 30 seconds on Zappi. What'd you think of

Starting point is 00:07:25 him last weekend? The moment did not get too big for him. It's probably the best thing that I can say for Bailey Zappi. He showed tremendous poise, tremendous confidence. And I also thought that he looked to be someone that is ready to compete. He looked like he's someone that's ready to battle, but there are questions that any rookie quarterback would have especially one that was thrust into action and maybe wasn't necessarily prepared to be thrust into action everybody every backup can say they're always ready to go in at a moment's notice but until that moment arrives you never know how you're going to really react to it and the Patriots nursed him along they had a very conservative game plan all game long the kid has got an arm I would like to see him tested a little bit more not sure if we're going

Starting point is 00:08:09 to see that this week or not but ultimately there are still questions about him being able to pick up pressures pick up the blitzes he was sacked three times on Sunday even though he did complete 10 passes for 99 yards a nice touchdown pass uh you, to get himself ingratiated into the NFL life to Devontae Parker. But ultimately, that pressure and also some of the difficulties he had throwing when in motion could mean for a difficult day for the rookie on Sunday. So I think the Patriots are best off going with Zappi in this one, but it's really the lesser of all evils. They would definitely love to have their starter back as soon as possible.

Starting point is 00:08:47 Should be interesting. I mean, I don't think there's any question about it. And, you know, the Lion fans have been just yearning for one time, whether it's Brad Holmes or the GM before him, Bob Quinn, former Patriot, to just draft a developmental quarterback. So they haven't done it in years. And it's kind of interesting that they may be going up against one of the guys that they sort of passed on, if you want to call it that. Yeah, absolutely.

Starting point is 00:09:14 And look, Zappi definitely has an NFL caliber arm. And there is an NFL caliber vision over there. It's a matter of whether or not he can harness it together. We've seen things come together very quickly for quarterbacks. After maybe a shaky first outing, they get into a rhythm pretty quickly. So is this the week to do it? I know the Lions defense is struggling right now, but we'll see if they're struggling that much to allow a rookie quarterback to look pretty good in this one.

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Starting point is 00:11:45 locked on lions hosted by Matt Deary. I'm Mike debate of locked on Patriots and Matt in the previous segment, we talked about the big storylines heading into this one, but you and I both know that games often come down to matchups on the field. And that's ultimately what will decide who wins or loses battle of one and three teams struggles on both sides of the ball for both of these squads, but they're looking to put it all together. Ultimately, what will decide who wins or loses? Battle of one and three teams. Struggles on both sides of the ball for both of these squads, but they're looking to put it all together.

Starting point is 00:12:12 So when you look at this from a Lions perspective, what are the matchups you're looking forward to seeing most? You know, again, I want to go back to something Bill Belichick said on Wednesday, and I think he's spot on. Got a chance to listen to that, and we're going to do what's best for the football team and all of that day by day. But he brought up the Lions run game and tackling, and I think that if the Lions can continue to pound the football,

Starting point is 00:12:38 which they're going to have to do, especially with all the injuries they've had offensively at wide receiver, there will be some questions on whether or not Amon Ross St. Brown DJ Chark uh Josh Reynolds any of these guys play this week so the Lions are down to bare bones at receiver now they're still scoring a lot of points Hawkinson a tight end has been really good the last couple of weeks especially last week and Jared Goff has played well but something that Belichick said which kind of hit me and I wanted to discuss with you is is the tackling can the Lions break out long you know longer rushes can Jamal Williams because I don't think Swift is going to play can Jamal Williams bust a couple of long runs keep these drives going so that the defense can stay off the field I'm looking at that and going if the

Starting point is 00:13:21 Patriots swing and miss on a few tackles here and there, and four and five-yard gains become 12 and 13-yard gains, I think the Lions have a good chance to win, and I think they'll stick with the run even more. So I look at how New England's linebackers, and I joked about Tavai before, but some of the others that are there, and certainly some of the veterans that they have in their secondary, how they wrap up, because right, Jamal Williams, Craig Reynolds, even Justin Jackson to an extent have had really success on the ground. I think the offensive line will push and do their job. It's been a really good unit.

Starting point is 00:13:55 But I'm looking at yards after contact and some runs that could be busted out that I think could maybe decide the game if we look at the end of the game and go, man, the Patriots missed way too many tackles on that run game. And I think that's a matchup to watch is how they'll be able to wrap up Jamal Williams, something Seattle did not do last week. Absolutely. If there is an area right now where the New England Patriots defense can be exploited, it's definitely against the run right now. And this may surprise a lot of people that aren't familiar with the Patriots and how they're doing business lately seeing that oh

Starting point is 00:14:29 you lost JC Jackson in the offseason your secondary must be decimated and Winkler's actually got pretty decent secondary play out of guys like Jonathan Jones stepping up and the rookie Jack Jones last week having a big game against Aaron Rodgers I love him even if Jalen Mills is someone that is not able to go or be 100% because of a hamstring injury, I still like the way this secondary matches up against the passing game of the Detroit Lions. That being said, the run game right now, especially for the New England Patriots, a run defense, I should say, for the last six quarters dating back to week three against the Baltimore Ravens

Starting point is 00:15:02 has been very suspect. And a lot of that has to do with the fact that Lawrence Guy, a big defensive tackle, has been missing out of their lineup. Lawrence is such a big part of setting that tone in the interior of the defensive line in order to be able to stop the run. Without him present, it allows some of the runners to be able to break free and allows the offensive linemen to win some of their battles. If that's happening, New England's been back on its heels. And unfortunately, the second level of that run defense with the speedy linebackers that they've tried to utilize

Starting point is 00:15:33 guys like Mack Wilson, Raekwon McMillan, Anthony Jennings have not been getting the job done. So an old friend of yours, Matt is in town this week on the practice squad. And I'm wondering if he may actually get a shot at being on the big roster this week. I should say the active roster. I shouldn't say the big roster, but the active roster. And that's Jamie Collins. Because they are very much porous right now at that level where teams are getting to next level. And they're able to run for big yardage. We saw the Baltimore Ravens do it

Starting point is 00:16:06 most notably Lamar Jackson but Dobbins was able to run against them for big yardage in the second half and then last week AJ Dillon Aaron Jones they were able to run rough shot over this team as well so that is a big concern Jamal is running the ball as well as anyone right now he's getting into the end zone and even if swift is not able to go in this game i still think that the lions may have the advantage here because of what the patriots are lacking in personnel pats are going to have to go with a bigger lineup i look for christian barmore i look for dietrich wise and i also look for carl davis to be the third guy in that as a nose tackle try to stop these guys up front because if you're getting to the second

Starting point is 00:16:44 level against this defense means the lions are having a very successful day on the ground great uh great mention of jamie collins yeah i saw that he's coming back and wearing number 99 which is interesting and we'll see if he gets to play what were you thinking in terms of a match-up to look at when when you look at detroit new england mike well i'm going to flip the script and i'm going to go the exact opposite i'm going to say that the matchup i'm looking forward to seeing is can the patriots two-headed rushing tandem of damian harris and remondre stevenson continue their success on the ground you know if the patriots are going with a rookie quarterback they're going to be leaning on their run game and the patriots right now have the ability to be able

Starting point is 00:17:24 to run on the Lions a little bit because that is one area where they are a little bit deficient when it comes to stopping and something that the Patriots might have success in. Lions allowing 165.5 yards per game, 5.6 yards per carry. These are areas where the Patriots might be able to exploit a little bit. So if Stevenson and if Harris are going to be able to have the same type of success they had in green Bay, especially in those chunk runs they had in the second half of 152 yards,

Starting point is 00:17:53 touchdown 32 carries between the two of them. I expect the Patriots to be able to try to utilize that. A big key is going to be utilized, pulling the guards, getting some of those gap runs in the downhill runs have been very successful for new england even when they want to sprinkle in a little bit of that outside zone that everybody's been waiting for that's still their bread and butter if the patriots are hitting those then it means that they're close and they're keeping a lot of pressure on that lion's defense so i'm looking forward to seeing that without any question let me jump in

Starting point is 00:18:23 real fast and just add to your point. I think it's a great one. The Lions defense has been so bad. It doesn't even matter pass or run really. But this ought to be interesting this week because Dan Campbell has said they're going to make some personnel changes. What? I don't know.

Starting point is 00:18:38 Demetrius Taylor, an undrafted defensive tackle, is going to be playing a little bit more. He hasn't played since the preseason, but they like him. Will they make a change at linebacker? You know this. Malcolm Rodriguez is going to be playing a little bit more. He hasn't played since the preseason, but they like him. Will they make a change at linebacker? You know this. Malcolm Rodriguez is going to be out there. Six-round pick, the hard-knock superstar. He's been awesome. But other than that,

Starting point is 00:18:54 they need help at linebacker. Alex Anzalone has been very mediocre. Safeties have not come up and made enough tackles. There's been poor angles by the cornerbacks as well against the run, including Oruwariye, who may sit in favor of Will Harris. So we'll see what kind of personnel changes they make. And if Aaron Glenn does not blitz as much, because anytime that they blitz this past week, Seattle hit him with a quick run and it was curtains. Yeah, without any question.

Starting point is 00:19:20 And look, there's no question about it. When you look at teams like this that are struggling and looking for sparks, they're going to try personnel grouping changes. They're going to try to switch things up a little bit. Bill Belichick is very savvy when it comes to being able to make adjustments. Are the Detroit Lions able to look at what the Patriots do and use it against them and kind of throw it back in their face? Teams that have the temerity to do that to Bill Belichick have been very successful against him.

Starting point is 00:19:45 So I'm going to be looking forward to that one. And I know all of you are going to be looking forward to these matchups on Sunday at 1 p.m. from Foxborough, Massachusetts. Matt, I think we're almost at that point where we're ready to give our rubber stamp as to exactly what we believe will happen in this game. And when we continue here on this Locked On Crossover Thursday, Matt Derry of Locked On Lions and myself, Mike DeBate from Locked On Patriots, will provide you with our thoughts looking into our Belichickian and Campbellian crystal balls, respectively, to tell you our thoughts on what's going to happen on Sunday at Gillette Stadium.

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Starting point is 00:21:05 That's right. Post your job for free at LinkedIn.com slash LockedOnNFL. That's LinkedIn.com slash LockedOnNFL to post your job for free. Terms and conditions apply. Patriots fans and Lions fans, it is almost time to wrap things up on Locked On Crossover Thursday. Matt Derry of Locked On Lions has brought his wisdom and counsel the way only he can. Hopefully, I've been able to drop a couple of pearls here and there when it comes to the New England Patriots. But, Matt, this, again, is a matchup of struggling teams.

Starting point is 00:21:42 Teams that have shown signs of some talent on both sides of the ball. I know Detroit is struggling mightily on the defensive side, and Wendland continues to struggle on the offensive side of the ball, but there are flashes of what this team can do, both teams can do, when they put it all together. Fast forward, we take the doc brown delorean right to have to right to uh the uh midway point in the field on um on sunday at gillette stadium how do you see this one shaking out what ends up happening when the pats and the lions hook up in week five well mike i have no idea let me just say all right let me say this great answer perfect answer i know it's it's a total set the fence wuss answer but let me say this i knew week one all right philly bad matchup

Starting point is 00:22:34 didn't like it knew the lions would lose i knew week two carson went saying coming to ford field and winning that was so i was two for two uh minnesota i thought the lions were going to play well and fall at the end, and that's exactly what happened. And then last week, I thought they'd win. I really thought they would score at will on Seattle's defense, and they did, but their defense was just so bad. It was stunning to watch

Starting point is 00:22:55 Geno Smith and Rashad Penny do what they did. Those aren't bad football players, but my goodness, they look like ten-time Pro Bowlers. This week, I have, Mike mike i have no feel on this game none zero like i think the lions could win and the lions have not won a road game under dan campbell they're due that patriot team does not do much for me and now you're starting a third string quarterback i mean i would figure the lions have a shot here. But, you know, I'll say this.

Starting point is 00:23:25 If this comes down to the kicking game, the Patriots have such an advantage. And I think that that could be where this goes. The Lions right now, at the time of this recording, have Austin Seibert. They believe healthy enough to come back and kick. They have the money badger, Michael Badgley ready uh to come off the practice squad if they need him but they've had big problems in the kicking game there punt punt wise are fine with jack fox and special teams have been pretty good otherwise um so i mean i'll just say i think it's going to be very very close i do i think it's going to be low scoring um i don't think it's

Starting point is 00:24:03 going to be one of these shootouts like we've been seeing from the Lions. So I'll say New England 23, Lions 21. That's where I'll go. What do you think? Unbelievable. I think we're almost exactly like-minded in this. I agree with you. I think the Lions have every chance to be able to come in here, take it to the New England Patriots, and walk away with a victory. Most of which were the reasons that I provided and we provided in the previous segment about the difficulties with the Pats running defense and how effective Detroit can be running the football. And listen, this team can score.

Starting point is 00:24:38 There's no question about it. I mean, when they get into rhythms, Jared Goff's doing his thing. I mean, there's a lot to like with the way that the Detroit Lions are able to play, not just running the football, but also passing the football. And Amon Ross St. Brown is definitely one of the more electrifying and more aesthetically pleasing wide receivers I've seen in quite some time, not to mention one of the best names in pro sports. I just love that name. I love that when he was coming out of USC, I still love that guy.

Starting point is 00:25:02 But bottom line, what I'm looking for with the New England Patriots right now is to keep it close, run the football, and try to utilize special teams. And again, if you get Nick Falk inside the 50-yard line, he's been pretty much automatic, making just about everything, 58 or 59, I believe, straight from inside that mark. And it really does speak volumes to how reliable the Patriots kicking game continues to be they got a little bit of a boost last week in the return game when the rookie Marcus Jones coming out of Houston really showed his ability to not just return punts but also return kicks so I think the Patriots on the special teams level going to be a little bit more solid than they were in previous weeks. I,

Starting point is 00:25:45 again, I think this is going to come down. It's going to be a razor thin game. I don't like it being a huge, big showdown. I have the Patriots taking this one 24 to 21. So I give the Patriots an extra point, maybe a Nick Folk extra point does the, the battle.

Starting point is 00:26:00 But again, I think this one's going to be close because I do think these two teams are evenly matched. And I don't know if either one of us can take that as a compliment but i do mean it as one so let's end on a high note there no i think it i think it's going to be entertaining and again i think the detroit fans the latin this this is this is for my listeners because they remember this but years ago after they fired jim schwartz jim schwartz was the defensive coordinator for the bills and he came into for Ford Field and Buffalo just walloped the Lions. And Schwartz, and Patricia won't do this, Schwartz told his players, pick me up on your shoulders, and they carried him off the field. It was

Starting point is 00:26:36 embarrassing for Schwartz, but he kind of got his vengeance against the Lions a little bit, and that's kind of who Schwartz was um this time around I think there are plenty of Lion fans going there's no way we can lose and get lit up by a Matt Patricia offense can we after what he did here what a disaster he was as head coach not a surprise Bill brought him back but you know I don't think that that's going to be the case where they get carry him off the field uh that's not his his nature I don't think but i think there's plenty of lion fans going we can't we can't really get lit up by patricia can we i think the lions defense will be better this week but again the competition isn't what it was i mean dk met there's no dk metcalfs or tyler

Starting point is 00:27:15 lockett's on your team uh so we'll see but that two-headed monster like you said is pretty good and be interesting to see what happens yeah it will it'll definitely be interesting to see what happens and uh i know matt patricia is definitely not the most popular guy in detroit far from it uh he's not that much more popular in new england if it's any consolation to detroit fans uh yeah there's still a lot of new england patriots fans that are not happy with that whole offensive coordinator thing detroit fans after the game, if you want a good piece of entertainment, win, lose, or draw, definitely check out some of the Pat's Twitter. And yeah, Google the hashtag Matt Patricia or just Google the name and see what's coming

Starting point is 00:27:54 up on your Twitter mentions. Click on that latest tab and things will probably be interesting one way or another. But Matt, it is always an honor, always a privilege. I love the network giving us this opportunity to do these crossover episodes. It's always a lot of fun. It's always informative for my listeners. They're some of my favorites and some of their most downloaded episodes for the week. So I definitely tip my cap to you, my friend,

Starting point is 00:28:23 and I thank you for all of your wisdom and counsel. Patriots fans, check out Matt on Locked On Lions each and every day on the Locked On Podcast Network. Much like ourselves, he is free and available on all platforms, giving you the very latest in-depth analysis and really some of just the best coverage in the business of any team out there in any stretch of the imagination it's a must listen for me check it out it'll be a must listen for you of course you can always

Starting point is 00:28:50 continue to listen to myself as well on locked on patriots and lions fans if you want a little insight we will continue to break down this matchup until kickoff so definitely check that out and maybe even some of the previous episodes to find out the very latest on Mac Jones injury, Bailey Zappy, anything you want. We definitely cover it on Locked On Patriots. So Matt, on behalf of the Locked On Podcast Network, I thank you today for joining me, folks. Check him out wherever you get your podcast. Check us out wherever you get your podcast as well.

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