Locked On Patriots - Daily Podcast On The New England Patriots - Farewell to the Fullback in Foxboro? - Trent Brown in the Trenches for the New England Patriots — 3/23/22

Episode Date: March 24, 2022

Per recent reports, the New England Patriots may not be utilizing the fullback position in 2022. However, is it really going away? Host Mike D’Abate welcomes Clare ‘ClazzyClare’ Cooper of PatsPropaganda to discuss the possible farewell to the fullback position in New England, after Jakob Johnson’s departure, They also talk the impact of Trent Brown’s return on the Pats offensive line.Find and follow Locked On Patriots on your favorite podcast platforms:Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/locked-on-patriots-daily-podcast-on-the-new-england/id1140512627 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/1c5ZxFmwg3WbfxAU3tR5Ve?si=k196wH-yRqifUcQQz8SjIQ Stitcher: https://www.stitcher.com/show/locked-on-patriots And follow host Mike D’Abate on Twitter, where he’ll be sharing the latest news about the New England Patriots and talking with fans.On Twitter: @mdabateNFLSupport Us By Supporting Our Sponsors!Built BarBuilt Bar is a protein bar that tastes like a candy bar. Go to builtbar.com and use promo code “LOCKED15,” and you’ll get 15% off your next order.BetOnlineBetOnline.net has you covered this season with more props, odds and lines than ever before. BetOnline – Where The Game Starts!Rock AutoAmazing selection. Reliably low prices. All the parts your car will ever need. Visit RockAuto.com and tell them Locked On sent you. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Patriots fans, have we seen the end of the fullback in Foxborough? Lots to talk about today on that subject. Jakob Johnson, Dalton Keene, and a whole host of others may end up taking on that role in 2022. I'm Mike DeBate, and you are about to be locked in to the Locked On Patriots podcast. You are Locked On Patriots, your daily New England Patriots podcast,

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proud, honored, and esteemed to welcome the Empress of Tight Endage, the Queen of TE, the Baroness of Blockers, the Principal of Positivity, the Countess of Clas herself, the one and only illustrious claire clazy claire cooper claire thank you for joining us today from across the pond thank you for

bringing your wisdom and counsel as a columnist extraordinaire for pat's propaganda and of course folks i say this every single week also smash the subscribe button to a clear perspective a podcast one of the best patriots podcasts out there. You definitely want to subscribe to this folks. You will not be disappointed. Claire, welcome back to your weekly seat here on Lockdown Patriots. Oh, well, thank you. It's as always, it's great to be back.

Well, thank you. I'm glad you feel that it's great to be back. We love having you back here. It's I told you that yesterday, you know, last week. We've kind of gone into this Wednesday routine here on Locked On Patriots to bring your wisdom and counsel in. It's kind of the virtue that lies in the middle, the straw that stirs the drink of the show. We have the tumult at the beginning of the week,

and Steve comes in and lends his voice of reason, but you kind of even everything out and get us ready for the weekend. So you know what? I could not think of a better seat i could not think of a better way to spend my wednesday than talking football with you my esteemed friend and colleague claire claire there's a lot to get to today in our show and we will get to it all folks it's definitely uh going to uh to be a fun show i think for you um We're going to talk fullbacks. We're going to talk tight endage. Claire loves that when we do that. There's a lot to digest with that because the Patriots may be losing a key position, not just the key player, but the key position in their arsenal.

Or are they? Well, I'll tell you what, we will get back to that in a moment. But Claire, first off, one of the big pieces of news that's come out of Foxborough in the last couple of days was the re-signing of Trent Brown. We now know that Trent will be back in New England on a two-year deal. Details of the contract were released yesterday. It can make up to $22 million, but a lot of that is going to be incentive-based. Not a lot of money uploaded early on into this contract for Trent

so a good move for the New England Patriots financially but most importantly all of us fans here in New England we're wondering what this is going to mean for the Patriots on the field and to me that's where this really comes alive you're a student of offense you're a student of blockers you love your tight endage um but the offensive line is something that you've really uh you know honed in in terms of lending your expertise not just in your writing but also in your podcast as well what's your reaction to Trent Brown's re-signing here in New England what do you think it means for that offensive line coming up in 2022? Well ultimately it was a good thing the concern was it was ever so slightly possibly a panic thing.

I mean, the key with Brown is remaining healthy. He's a big guy and he makes a really decent impact on the offensive line. We know this, particularly after the loss of Ted Karras. Brown is familiarity, he's consistency, he's stability. And as long as he remains on the field, and that is dependent on him remaining healthy. I mean, 2019 Brown had maybe his ultimate season for the Raiders. He allowed only one sack, but then with the COVID

and there was an accident with an IV being inserted incorrectly, forcing air into his bloodstream and things like this, he was placed on IR. Obviously, this was previously to the Patriots, but just sort of reflecting back on the year that he had in 2019 it was it was a good year for him ultimately until that issue he came to the patriots for the 2021 season but he suffered a calf injury week one as pretty sure most people probably remember and it caused a real domino effect for the offensive line the early season games saw a perpetual carousel of offensive

linemen and I think the lack of solidity isn't great for anyone let alone a rookie quarterback who's finding his feet now granted Mac is now in his second year but you know you're still talking about a young quarterback who is you know enveloping into the system I mean I went through I went back through through and looked at lists in regard to the fluctuation of the O-line. I was really interested when I knew that we were going to be kind of discussing this topic. And when I looked at the kind of like the game,

the playbook as such that was out there, the Texans game looked scary on paper when you read it, when you just read back on the notes because of the O-line. It was Heron. It was Ferenc. It was Kajust with Durant switching back in. I mean, they had Karras and they had Andrews being like the saving graces. Now, I mean this as no disrespect to those guys that I have just named off,

but they really aren't the elite of O-linemen. And with a rookie quarterback learning the system and all that the Patriots needed more and that's why I'm surprised in regards to the letting go of Karras I mean I know we're talking Trent Brown re-signing here but I just think it's an important factor in regards to the offensive line that the the loss of it is as important as the signing of Trent Brown. I personally think that those are two pieces that the Patriots should be bringing back in 2022 anyway. I mean, there's no point in crying over spilt milk now.

Karras is gone. And I get that. It's just that the letting Karras go to leave for better money and then the trade away of Shaq Mason for kind of a fifth round pick, making holes that they sort of initially maybe didn't need to make I mean the signing of Brown is is key and it's kind of key not only because it's key to maintain that player it's kind of key to maintain that player because of the players that they have ultimately lost in regards to that. And I mean, it's kind of, it's diluted the offensive line and created a weakness that I think maybe wasn't necessary.

And I've got to admit, I'm not much of a negative person, but that does have me a little bit worried at this stage. Now, you know me, you guys all know me. I'm not for the negative. I'm not for the skies falling in kind of jam. It's not me. I just have my reservations at the moment. But I mean, it's a long way till September. There's so much kind of jam it's not me I just have my reservations at the moment but I mean it's a long

way till September there's so much kind of to go in between it's just I look at the caliber of the guys that they've lost and feel a little bit of a concern that they're not going to be easily replaced I really hope I'm proved wrong um but there is still plenty that has to happen before the guys take the field anyway as mentioned free agency in the draft so training camp and you know the revolving door of tryouts so it's kind of a yeah we shall see what is to transpire absolutely i think you make some interesting points especially about the trade away of shack and the defection now i guess you can say of ted caris to the cincinnati bengals those are two big losses along that offensive line, and you have to replicate that.

Whether you want to or whether you don't, you're going to be forced into replicating that. So when you look at what the Patriots are going to do to try to replicate it, obviously Ryan Bates is someone they continue to be in on reportedly. A lot of other teams are showing interest in there as well, so a little bit of a budding bidding war. Last week it looked like this could be an opportunity for them to snag a very good reserve offensive lineman that

had the ability to start he started at the end of the year for buffalo when they played some of their best football but at the same time if you're not bringing in someone like that and you're going to have to rely on the draft or you're going to have to rely on maybe a lesser name on free agency to come in and to man that left guard position if you don't feel comfortable going with someone on the roster like a Will Sherman or you know someone to that effect um or you know like you mentioned Yasser Duran you mentioned Justin Heron uh you know these guys are primarily tackles are they going to feel comfortable moving over to that left guard position where Joe Tooney manned that for so long

and was arguably the best in the game at what he did that's where you need the continuity and that's what Brown brings to this line he brings continuity he brings stability hopefully he'll bring good health this year I know Trent's doing everything he can to keep himself in solid shape but ultimately it's going to be up to him to uh to be able to do that so excellent excellent point claire and uh we're definitely we're all glad i don't think there's anybody uh that's not happy to see trent brown back uh one of the great guys uh to cover and just uh hilarious and just being able to see him tower above everybody in training camp and at practice is really going to be something that i'm looking forward to this year as well. Folks, it's not just about the offensive line, though. The Patriots

need blocking. It's arguably the most important part of the Patriots offense moving forward. But one position that's always been a staple of New England Patriots offenses is the fullback. And over the weekend, we got some interesting news along with the departure of jacob johnson jacob speaking with a german news outlet stating that the new england patriots informed him he might not be using the fullback in 2022 well claire is somewhat of a fullback expert and we're going to get her thoughts on that subject and what it means for the patriots moving forward in just a moment but first folks wanted to take a moment just to remind you of the great folks over at Built Bar, who this show has brought to you in part by today. Built Bar is one of the great sweet treats out there, folks. But

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in Patriots fandom. Subscribe and you'll be hooked as well, just like I am. Claire Cooper joins me here today, the classy one herself. Claire, in the previous segment, we talked a lot about Trent Brown and what it means to have that continuity back in the Patriots offense. But one of the most continuous positions that the Patriots have put out quality-wise, really over the last decade, has been the fullback position. Under Bill Belichick and in New England, there have been several Patriots fullbacks that have really been, you know, top of their game. Most recently, I think everybody loves to invoke the name of James Devlin, and rightfully so. He's been a tremendous, tremendous,

you know, player for this organization. He obviously retired a few years ago, and after James retired, people wondered what the fullback position was going to look like. Jakob Johnson comes in from the International Pathway Program. Not a lot of people knew a whole lot about Jakob, but he really made a name for himself very early on. A lot of grit, a lot of determination shown in practice, earned him a starting job. Ultimately, it's earned him a pretty nice payday in las vegas so he will be taking his talents now to the nevada desert and it leaves the patriots with a hole at fullback or

really does it um over the weekend it was reported that yakov had had an interview and i mentioned this heading into today's segment uh that he had a interview recently with a german news outlet that said that the Patriots had informed him that his position wasn't necessarily going to be needed this year. Well, that does raise some questions. First of all, the Patriots have relied on fullbacks to be a part of their blocking game, even a weapon in the offense when they need to. And it also raises questions about some of the tight ends that are on the roster, because as you know, the H-back role as a tight end and the fullback position can have very similar responsibilities.

Not a like for like, folks, but they are similar responsibilities. Claire, when you heard about Jakob, what was your reaction, first of all, to his moving on, what it means for the fullback position and pulling on your endless knowledge of tight endage um are you looking at a tight end on this roster right now that might be able to fill that gap for 2022 coming up well it's very interesting that you would say that michael because i have recently put out as you will know on patspropaganda.com you will find my fullback column so go head over to patspropaganda.com and have a quick read but to touch on that I mean I'm kind of known as you mentioned by a few people now as being a bit of a tight end enthusiast I mean I adore all aspects of football and both sides of the ball but yeah I have a soft spot for

tight ends and that easily translates into the full back position I mean I've written about it a couple of times now so far in my what year and a half career of writing you know about the Patriots now Jakob Johnson did a lot as a Patriot his strength in the run game was imperative and he seemed to be developing as as a bit of a pass catcher but depending on what you want to believe right now um be it that he wasn't kind of he wasn't all that that the Patriots are moving on from the fullback position that Dalton Keane is the heir apparent to kind of like James Devlin or the Jakob Johnson, or even that Jonu Smith will be utilised more in a way a fullback would line up.

I mean, Jakob Johnson is now a Raider and there isn't, you know, a designated fullback on the Patriots roster. Just like my little bit of unrest at the O-line, there is so much time for this all to change. And I think one of the most popular kind of sounding opinions right now, definitely by some of the smarter guys in the Boston media, is the step up of Jonu Smith. Although I know there's a little uncertainty in regards to his blocking prowess, like someone, you know, in comparison to someone like Jakob Johnson.

So Smith may need to up his value sort of with the offense in that nature a lot would say that Smith needs to be utilized more out in the field pass catching I mean he had the same amount of touchdowns in 2021 for the Patriots as JC Jackson so for his 15 million price tag it's no wonder that fans had got unrest you know in regards to him and we're sort of looking to maybe move on from him you know in regards to him and we're sort of looking to maybe move on from him you know coming into this season as we approach it he's a great athlete um i hope he has as much versatility as needed to really push out as that h back kind of fullback s kind of role as well as a yard yards after the catch kind of gaining threat

yeah and i think you make a very very interesting point about janu and i'm glad that you mentioned his blocking ability because this is something we saw him do last year on more than one occasion lineup as an inline blocker really end up becoming more of a factor in the blocking game than he was in the passing game and this surprised so many people you and i as well we talked about when's Jonu going to have that breakout game. And I know that irritates you as much as it irritates me probably more. As a tight end enthusiast, you're probably even more taken aback by that and really angry or upset about it. Because, I mean, let's face it.

We're talking about a player with all pro caliber. You know, I mean, I'm not saying that, you know, he's at, you know, a Kelsey or a Kittle level at that point, but Jono is a very capable tight end that really can be a dynamic force in this offense. And conversation for another day, I think that his presence and his emergence as a red zone target may help to alleviate the fact that the Patriots may have some hidden gems on this roster that might be able to help their

pass catching ability. But again, I digress. We're not going to go there today. I think you make an interesting point on Jono and on Dalton as well. Look, Dalton played the H-back role at Virginia Tech. He did it very well. The question about him is going to be his health assimilation into the Patriots system. If he can prove that he can assimilate and stay healthy, I think he's got a shot to be able to do it as an H-back and maybe even a line as a fullback. So I think that's something very interesting to keep an eye on. One also thing to keep an eye on, folks,

is it might not just be tight endage that fills that H-back or fullback role. While H-backs are traditionally tight ends, the running backs and the wide receivers may have something to say about that as well and Claire helps us clarify like what I did there the option of the Patriots either repackaging or re-imaging the fullback position but not quite eliminating it am I putting words in her mouth well we'll find out in one moment but first folks today's episode is brought to you by the great folks over at Athletic Greens. They put out a fantastic product that I literally use every day.

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check out her great column on the fullback. We're talking about that today here with Claire. In the previous segment, we talked about a lot of what the Patriots may do in terms of utilizing the H-back to kind of take away what the fullback did in 2021 with Jakob Johnson now off to Las Vegas. But you hinted going into the break, Claire, that it's not just tight endage that is always responsible for taking on these roles running backs even wide outs can come in throw a block or two a line in the backfield um be that type of fullback h-back role take that on and help to really move this offense forward i know you have

some thoughts on that if the patriots were to move away from the fullback position and there were reports out there and I even wrote about this over the weekend on for Sports Illustrated that they are transitioning away from that traditional fullback role how do you see this being filled by someone other than an H-back at the tight end position? I think a lot of it is to do with labels and as i think i mentioned in my column belichick isn't really much of a labels guy i mean we don't even kind of know in regards to coaching he doesn't really kind of put the labels on things in regards that give them titles and stuff so i think maybe that the the label of fallback might not be there in new england but i don't think the the the job of fallback

isn't necessarily in new england and as we mentioned previously i am kind of quite an advocate for smith kind of should we say breaking out now and developing into kind of like tongue in cheek there into kind of like more of a hate back role really getting the versatility out of him getting the value foratility out of him getting the value for money out of him but there's also like a flip side as you mentioned the flip side of that there's this increased use of more power backs in regards to running backs i mean the patriots had four netting for a meeting kind of workout recently now and he's definitely one of the more powerful of the running backs i mean he we know he's since gone to the books um it was maybe

a bit of a test of water so that he could get more money we appreciate that but damian harris and ramondre stevenson are in that kind of power back kind of mold and if that is the case then they could be utilized kind of with the blocking i mean the patriots could really get in their use out of that whole 22 personnel package that claire really wants to see and for anyone who like me he's still kind of learning their whole football stuff the 22 personnel package is where they line up two running backs and two tight ends with one wide receiver now the 23 personnel is a two running backs three tight end lineup and I am just waiting for that one and when I say that with three true tight ends I know last season

they utilized on when you a little in the kind of sub tight end role I want him focusing his o-line duties which kind of ties back into like the beginning of the show really I mean there is still a lot to figure out for the Patriots kind of not just on offense but on defense as well and there's still plenty of holes to fill hopefully with like youth and with speed but there's still time for that to happen and that's key at this moment what we do know is the is the lack of johnson may be significant in regard to the full role it isn't officially filled on the roster um and you know who can and who maybe needs to step up in that kind of powerful blocking play, still possible in New England.

And I think that, in my opinion, it will still happen. They may not have an FB there, but they will still have guys that take on that role, those, you know, undergo those tasks that maybe Johnson would. They just don't have that FB next to their name kind of thing. But, I mean, I don't... that fb next to their name kind of thing but i mean i don't the fullback role isn't going away the the role itself isn't going away especially with the gate the way the game is played with the fullback on the roster i don't feel it's going

to be going away completely for the patriots again i always kind of say this in each episode i'll say something that is in my opinion this this won't happen or this will happen. And then I have to admit that it probably will be the opposite because Coach Bill, I reckon, has this thing of just liking to prove me wrong. I just think he's, you know, maybe it's just his pleasurable pastime nowadays. But no, in all seriousness, things are developing. I mean, the game is always evolving. And as much as people think that maybe Coach Bill isn't, he, you know, he really is. And I think he's just been a bit more sneaky ninja about it

than people maybe realise. But I think the whole point is, right now it's just to keep a positive, kind of open outlook about what's going to happen. For me, the tight end, full-back-ish enthusiast, I don't think that the role itself is going away. Possibly, as I said, the fb might not be there on that roster for all you kind of full-back enthusiasts out there i don't think you need to be too worried

at this you know at least right now the patriots have got guys on even already on their roster already in their system already they're ready who can utilize these skills that they need in regard to that sort of fullback H-back situation so it's a case of don't be too worried at this stage that your little FB isn't there on the roster because I think I think you're going to be sorted out not to worry yeah I think you make an excellent point I'm so glad that you mentioned the fact that the fullback position is not indeed going away and I think a lot of people are looking at that and saying oh oh yeah, goodbye.

That's it. Two back sets. That's all we need. Well, if you're aligning in a two back set, like you said, with the 22 personnel, I think you explained that perfectly.

You're essentially lining a fullback in there. It may not be the fullback role. It may not be traditional FB, like you said, that next to their name, but you have a multiple, you know, you have a roster, I should say with multiple

people on it that can fill this role you can align dalton keen in that role you can align johnny smith in that role you can put someone even like a divine ozikbo and i know that you mentioned him in your piece and i think that's a very interesting point everybody's looking at him as oh this is just going to be a roster filler, maybe a practice squad guy. Devine is very tough, and he's someone that caught my eye last year when the Patriots brought him in as a running back option on the practice squad. He's going to get a chance to compete for a spot on this roster, and if there's one thing we know that New England and Bill Belichick are very much committed to it's playing the

players on the field that they feel give them the best chance to win. They're not worried about free agent wish lists. They're not worried about rankings, media member rankings, whatever. They're worried about what they see on the field. And if Devino Ziegbo gives them that opportunity to give them another option in that realm, he's going to be able to do it. Another guy to watch, Ty Montgomery, a guy they just picked up. He played some of that role with the New York Jets.

He played some of it with the New Orleans Saints. This is a guy that right now I think can be intriguing heading into training camp because he has the ability to do so much, not just as a return specialist in special teams, but also to play the running back position, to play wide out. He's capable of being that Swiss Army knife in the Patriots weaponry arsenal. He's not going to be your number one option. He's probably not going to be your number two or number three option. But if he's out there on the field, it keeps the defense guessing.

And that's why it's important to remember that while the Patriots may not carry a traditional fullback on the roster this year, folks, I think they're re-imaging that position. But as my good friend will tell you right here, it's not going away anytime soon. Claire, what can I say? You always, always bring the wisdom and counsel here on Wednesday. You level the playing field. You stirred the drink, and that's exactly what we expect you to do here on Locked On Patriots.

No stirring of the drink until we're done recording. Remember, this is a family show. We don't encourage that. All kidding aside, folks, please, from the bottom of my heart, I highly recommend everything that Claire does here when it comes to coverage of your New England Patriots. Follow all of her written work at patspropaganda.com, as well as the great work that's being done

by the entire team over there at Pats Prop. Some of the great guys and girls in this business have been attached to that blog, that name, always in honor of Mike DeSalle, who does a tremendous job for Patriots.com. But that's exactly where we found his talents, and they continue to take the ball, and they continue to carry it gracefully. I say it all the time. I continue to say it, and I will.

Please, by all means, subscribe to A Claire Perspective, a Patriots podcast. Claire puts out a tremendous listen. Some of the great guests that you'll find anywhere in Patriots media have joined her on the opposite end of the microphone. I just mentioned our good friend Deuce. He was her guest recently. Mike Giardi of the NFL Network.

Karen Garigian of the Boston Herald. Tom Curran of NBC Sports Boston. Claire has interviewed them all, and she's done it with a style all her own. And really, just the back and forth between her and her guests is phenomenal. And as always, you can catch her each and every week here on Locked On Patriots every Wednesday as she brings the class back to Locked On Patriots. Claire, before I let you go, I've kind of pumped your tires a little bit, deservedly so, but I want to give you an opportunity to share with our listeners what they can expect in the coming days and weeks from the great pen and the great voice of Claire,

classy Claire Cooper. Well, thank you very much, Mike. And yes, thank you for bumping my ties there. Just to quickly recap. Yes.

You'll find me on patspropaganda.com folks. And my recent article on fallbacks went up this morning. So you can catch a load of that. My episode with, as you said, Mike Dessoe, Deuce went out on Tuesday morning. Sorry.

So yeah, a Claire perspective, the 27th, 28th episode with Mike Dussault is out now, and the week previously was, yeah, it was with Mike Giardi, so I hope you guys can catch up on and listen to that as well, so that's pretty much where you'll find me, and you will also find me each

and every week on One Patriot's Place with the lovely Steve Balistrieri and Thomas Murphy for E2G Sports, so yeah, and then I'm here on Wednesday, so I'm, you know, it's quite busy really. You know, Mondays, Tuesdays, Wednesdays, you know, trying to, yeah. What off-season? What off-season, folks? No days off,

Claire. When you cover the New England Patriots, there are no days off. I have the same. I have the same. Someday, yep, exactly. And someday here on Lockdown Patriots, we'll get high-tech enough that maybe I can get a Bill Belichick quote in the background. Him yelling no days off. I can have that going.

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In the meantime, continue. Stay safe. Stay well. I thank my esteemed colleague, my esteemed guest today here on Locked On Patriots, Claire Clasic, Claire Cooper, on behalf of her and myself. Thank you so much for listening today. Have a great day, everyone.