Locked On Patriots - Daily Podcast On The New England Patriots - Free Agent Friday: Tom Brady - 1/10/2020

Episode Date: January 10, 2020

For the New England Patriots, the offseason begins with determining their plans to re-sign the biggest fish in the free agent pool: Tom Brady. On this Free Agent Friday here on Locked On Patriots, host Mike D’Abate welcomes Executive Producer Jay Soderberg to discuss Tom’s future, or lack there of, in Foxboro.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello to all you Foxborough faithful and welcome to your Free Agent Friday episode of Locked On Patriots, your daily home for news, notes, analysis, and the occasional opinion on your six-time Super Bowl champions, the New England Patriots. I'm Mike DeBate, your host of Locked On Patriots, which of course is a part of the Locked On Podcast Network, your team every day. Feel free to reach out to me and follow me on Twitter at MDABATEFPC, and be sure to follow Locked On Patriots on Twitter at LO underscore Patriots. Folks, you heard correctly.

It's Free Agent Friday here on Locked On Patriots, and we've been talking about a number of free agents all week long, what the Patriots are going to do, who they might target, who they may let go, and who they may bring back. But let's face it, when it comes to free agents, not only for the New England Patriots, but across the NFL, there is one that stands alone above the rest. Number 12 in the program, number one in your heart, Thomas Edward Patrick Brady Jr., 42 years of age, soon to be 43. Throughout his entire professional career, he's been introduced as the quarterback of the New England Patriots. But as I said yesterday

on the show here, folks, for the first time in his career, Tom Brady faces some uncertainty as to whether or not that introduction will hold true. And if you're like me, you get nervous at the very thought of thinking of Tom Brady in another uniform. Between last week and this week, I've gone on record by saying I believe Tom Brady will be back. I believe that as strongly today as I did when I first said it. I'm sure you all remember Tom Brady's post on Instagram on Wednesday. That post sounded like a pretty strong declaration that he plans on being back in an NFL uniform next year. So if in fact we can take retirement off the table, which uniform will he be wearing?

We all hope it's Patriot blue. And the guests that have joined me here recently on Locked On Patriots, like Thomas Murphy, Ian Glendon, Mark Schofield, and even Ross Jackson in this week's crossover with Locked On Saints all believe that at the end of the day, the Patriots and Tom Brady will find a way to coexist and move forward in 2020. But there are some doubters out there.

And folks, just because someone doubts this doesn't make them a hater. It doesn't make them delusional. These opinions are based on some very good points. And today, I welcome in someone whose opinion I value greatly. Like all of us here in Pat's Nation, he bleeds New England red, white, and blue. He is the executive producer of Locked On Podcasts. He is Jay Soderbergh, and he joins me producer of Locked On Podcasts. He is Jay Soderberg, and he joins me today on Locked On Patriots to discuss the future

of Tom Brady here on Free Agent Friday. Now, Jay's opinion may surprise you. It may even cause you to get a little nervous. But fear not, folks. I'm not changing my mind. I still think Tom takes his home game snaps in Gillette Stadium next year. But variety is the spice of life, and sometimes dissenting opinions are the best way to

come to an educated decision. Jay always bases his opinions on solid analysis, and these theories are no different. We're going to talk about Tom's asking price, the Patriots' salary cap restraints. Besides the money, what else could keep Tom Brady in Foxborough next year? And if he does make the decision to move on, what would be the best fit? I think you'll learn a lot from our discussion today, folks. I always enjoy sharing the microphone with Jay, and I sincerely hope that you take away some valuable pieces of information from today's podcast and also that you enjoy listening

to it. But before I welcome Jay in today, we start with some of the news of the day here on Friday. And of course, it involves current Patriots offensive coordinator, at least for the time being, Josh McDaniels. Of course, here on the Locked On Podcast Network, today is Free Agent Friday, but for Josh, this is Interview Friday. According to Burt Breer of SI's MMQB, both Josh and his wife Laura were scheduled to fly out to Cleveland on Jimmy Haslam's personal jet.

For those of you that don't know, Jimmy Haslam is the owner of the Cleveland Browns, and Josh was scheduled to interview for their head coaching job today. Now, Josh flying on a private jet and bringing his wife along raised some eyebrows across the social media platform. To be honest, coaching candidates bringing along their wives or even their entire families is not all that uncommon. When anyone interviews for a position which would require you to relocate, you definitely want to make sure that your wife and family are comfortable with it.

But Josh and his wife already have family ties to the area. They're from Cleveland, and he knows the area very well. Some might speculate that this is an indication that Josh is ready to take the job and that he's ready to be introduced and he wants his wife alongside of him. Personally, I think that's a little bit of a leap. Most of us in Patriots Nation know that Josh makes decisions very carefully and yes, there are some in Indianapolis that'll probably say that Josh is not above second-guessing his decisions. But what might be different here than the position that Josh was offered in Indy is that being the head coach of the Cleveland Browns is reportedly something he's been waiting for his whole life. This is the team he grew up idolizing, and to get a position as a head coach in the NFL

is so difficult to get to begin with. To be able to do it as a head coach of your favorite team since childhood might be a little bit too strong for Josh to turn down. In my opinion, if the job is offered to him, and it's the right fit that Josh has been looking for right along, I think he takes this position. It would certainly leave the Patriots with a huge hole to fill at offensive coordinator. Don't forget, and I'm sure you haven't, they already lost Joe Judge as special teams coordinator.

Having to replace two out of the major three coordinator positions in one offseason could mean that the Patriots coaching staff, along with the systems they employ, could look drastically different next year. It would also add a whole new level of complexity to the Patriots' offseason plans. In theory, that could include Tom Brady's status. At 42, soon to be 43 years of age, does he look at New England and say, my offensive coordinator's not going to be there any longer? At this stage in my career, do I really want to learn a new offense under a new offensive coordinator? Despite of what a lot of people will tell you folks,

I don't think this is as big a factor as most people are making it out to be. If Tom Brady made the decision to leave New England, he was going to have to learn from a new offensive coordinator anyway. The only way that wouldn't happen is if he follows Josh to Cleveland, and I don't think that's very likely considering they already seem to have Baker Mayfield entrenched in the starting quarterback position. That's why I wouldn't necessarily equate Josh leaving to Tom leaving. But as the old saying goes, keep a sharp eye, folks. If Cleveland moves as quickly as they say they'd like to, they may have this wrapped up by early Friday evening, and if that's the case, you may already know Josh McDaniel's future plans for 2020 as you listen to this podcast.

But as much as Josh McDaniel's potential departure would hurt New England Patriots fans, and look, bottom line, folks, is if he does take this position, you have to wish him well and congratulate him and respect his decision. Josh definitely deserves to be a head coach in the NFL. The window of opportunity for getting head coaching jobs can close fairly quickly, and Josh may look to strike while the iron is hot. If he does indeed leave, it's been an amazing run here in New England, and we thank him for everything he's done for this organization. But back to my original point, as tough as his

departure would be, it would not be the worst departure that Patriots fans could imagine this offseason. And I know, folks, it's tough to think about. But there is indeed a chance that Tom Brady takes his snaps wearing a different uniform next year. How good of a chance? Well, Jay Soderbergh and I will discuss that point and more in just a moment. Joining me today on Locked On Patriots is the creative force behind the great content here at the Locked On Podcast Network. He is the executive producer of Locked On Podcasts and one of the most trusted voices when it comes to matters surrounding your New England Patriots, folks, by Pat's fans.

And today, he might have you exploring the dark side. He is Jay Soderberg. Welcome to Locked On Patriots, Bob Vader. Thanks, Mike. It's been a pleasure. I'm so excited to be here. And just like I told the guys on Locked On NFL, I did not abuse my powers to be a guest on the show. Absolutely not. No, this is something I definitely came to Jay on. And I've been looking forward to this conversation for quite a while. And what better way to do it than on Free Agent Friday here on Locked On Patriots

and to talk about the biggest free agent fish in the pond this year. And, of course, we're talking about Tom Brady, folks. But, Jay, before we get into the specifics on Tom and what his future holds and what that may bring. 2019 is really being labeled as a failure by a lot of Pats fans and the media. It's funny, 12-5, a playoff berth, that's something a lot of franchises and fan bases would welcome, but when January playoff football is usually a foregone conclusion, that necessarily becomes a disaster when you talk about a fan reaction. In that vein, Tom Brady was heavily

scrutinized, maybe more so this year than any point in his career. His lack of weapons, his age, his injuries, his struggles with accuracy, we see them all. And it does surprise me a little bit that so many on a national stage were so quick to point out every fault as evidence of his decline. But now that he's set to be a free agent, the narrative seems to be, well, which franchise will he, as a free agent, resurrect by joining them? But I digress on that. Before we discuss Tom's future and what your lasting impressions are, when you look at his season and 2019 as a whole,

what do you believe is going to be your lasting impressions of what tom did this year tom did i think the best he could with what he had um you can't look at the season as a whole and say this was one of tom's best performances because it clearly wasn't at the same time i don't believe that cliff that magical quarterback cliff that everyone talks about, has arrived yet for Tom Brady either. While people are pointing to that Instagram post, I still do think that Tom Brady, it's not so much that he has more to prove, because he's got nothing left to prove nothing else in this league other than he's a competitor and wants to win more football games but i do think that he's still got quite a bit left in the tank and uh from my perspective i would say he's got at least a year if not two more years left uh to perform at a very high level i do agree with that assessment and i think that a lot of what was made from the Instagram post about a lot being left to prove, I think that's what it is. I think, first of all, someone

with Tom Brady's drive and desire to succeed does not want his career to end on a pick-six to Logan Ryan. Quarterbacks, sometimes athletes, can't control that. I mean, we've seen star athletes, revered athletes, go out on a whimper rather than a home run. So sometimes it can't be avoided, but I still think Tom has a lot left in the tank to be able to erase that bad taste. So I think that's one. You did hit on it. It wasn't one of his better seasons. He did have some accuracy issues.

Now, of course, a lot of that is because of some of the injuries that he's had with regard to tennis elbow, which was reported by Mike Giardi of the NFL Network, that can be very painful and can cause some of the accuracy issues he had. They also reported, Jeff Howe reported earlier this week of The Athletic, that he was suffering from a foot injury as well. So all of these things can contribute. The weapons, I kind of grimace a little bit when people say, oh, we just didn't have the weapons.

I think the talent was there. I think it was execution that hurt the Patriots more. There were a lot of drops, a lot of miscues. Some routes weren't being run as crisply as they needed to. So I think that contributed to a little bit of it as well. And naturally, I mean, some of it does have to be on Tom as well. I'm not absolving him from anything. There were some questionable decision-making, things of that nature. So all of that together in that type of perfect storm, I think it leaves a bad taste in his mouth, and I agree with you. I think that's why he put the Instagram post out, career, Jay, and the floodgates have opened up.

Everyone has a take. Everyone has an opinion and a scenario for what Tom will do. I even made a Spaceballs joke earlier on Twitter about trying to interview Tom's father's brother's nephew's cousin's former roommate to try to see what he'll be able to do. But truth be told, no one really, except for Tom and his family, truly know what he's going to do. But we're in the business of educated speculation. So putting your own take on Tom's future aside for just a moment, what is the most likely reason that Tom would continue to play in New England? And on the flip side, what is the biggest impediment to his return to Foxborough?

That's a great way to ask that question. I think the biggest reason for him to continue in New England is because it's the only place he's ever been and it's the only place he wants to be. There's an owner who obviously loves him that feels the exact same way. Coach, however, if we want to talk about his biggest impediment, who has trained not only his players, but the fan base, that we don't keep our players all the way to the end of their career. And we move on from them when the end is nigh. And that, I think, is part of it. But the other biggest part of it is money. And the Patriots don't have a lot of it because they have a lot more holes than just the quarterback position that I think they need to work out in regards to free agency and the draft. Money in cap space is definitely an interesting point and something that we will delve into just a moment. I'm going to talk about that. Jay and I are going to cannonball, diving style, into our

thoughts on the future of one Thomas Edward Patrick Brady Jr. in the National Football League. Once again, Jay Soderbergh joins me on the Locked On Patriots podcast today. And Jay, the multi-million dollar question, and I mean that literally and figuratively on everyone's mind, is where will Tom Brady be playing next year? That's a question that Patriots fans haven't seriously asked themselves in about 20 years, but there's a real possibility it might not be in Foxborough. And you alluded to speaking about money and cap space earlier. In your expert professional opinion, will Tom Brady be the

starting quarterback for the New England Patriots in 2020 2020 i don't think so uh and my biggest concern is is the salary cap and the free agents that the patriots have to have to sign because it's not just tom brady there are 19 free agents this particular season and some of them are very big key free agents for this team. Devin McCourty, who is quite possibly the quarterback of that defense, is a free agent. Kyle Vannoy, whom I think is, I mean, you could argue Dante Hightower, but I personally think Vannoy is the most valuable linebacker that this team has on its roster, and he's a free agent. Jamie Collins, who had what was probably a defensive MVP-type year at the beginning of the season,

was obviously a big spark for the boogeyman in that defense, and he's a free agent. Danny Shelton, there's lots of differing opinions on Danny Shelton on that defensive line, but he is a big-time space eater, and I think he's a key cog to making that defense work. He's a free agent. True. There are so many different free agents on this team, and not to mention you have to address the problems that this team has.

What's going to happen at the kicker position? Is Gaskowski going to be able to come back and be the Gaskowski that we all grew up to know? Or is he the guy that is on the tail end of his career? The center position, is David Andrews going to be able to come back? He had blood clots in his lungs. That's not something that you trifle with. That's life-threatening. You have an offensive line that's got a big free agent in Joe Tooney,

whom I believe was a second-team All-Pro this particular season. Absolutely right. That's a big hole that they've got to address. And personally, I've never been a big fan of marcus cannons love his story love the fact that he's made it in the nfl but quite honestly i think we have an issue at right tackle that needs to be addressed so there there's problems all over the field and i haven't even started talking about the wide receivers. Right. You're absolutely right, and I think you have to know that is because of me. But no, I'm only kidding.

We do make it a point always to let people know about the free agents that the Patriots have, and you did list a laundry list of free agents that are a priority for the Patriots to be able to re-sign. I happen to believe at this point when it comes to being able to maneuver room within the cap, my good friend Miguel Benzon, who's been a guest here on Locked on Patriots a couple of times, and I know you saw the tweet earlier today, indicated that a big salary or a big amount of cash up front doesn't necessarily mean a huge cap hit initially. Miguel reminded everyone that Jarrell Revis actually signed a two-year, $32 million deal with the Patriots in 2014.

Of that $32 million, his cap hits were $7 million in 2014 and $25 in 2015. So they were able to set it up and split it like that. In your opinion, when you take a look at something like that and the type of deal that it would take to bring Brady back, because by all accounts, we're hearing that he's not going to be willing to, quote unquote, take that hometown discount.

Are the Patriots going to be able to maneuver the cap to be able to do that? Because there are some other ways and some dead cap hits that could be a casualty as well that might be able to free up some money for the Patriots to be able to make this work. No, I don't think there is, because you're still looking at, it's a great example of using Darrell Rivas, but Darrell Rivas' total contract for two years is going to equal what Brady's contract will equal in one. I mean, at the very least, if he is giving us a discount, we're looking at a $30 million hit there. The tag, I believe, is around 26, 27, somewhere in that range, depending on which report. It varies from report to report, but yeah, it's anywhere between 26 and 27 would be the cap hit.

So at the very least, that's what you're looking at for a franchise tag quarterback. Brady is going to be commanding more money than the franchise tag. I just don't see it. If you take the hit this year, you take the hit next year. Next year, talk about a laundry list of free agents. There's a whole other bunch of key Patriots that will be free agents. And if you want to keep this team, even if you wanted to just keep this team together, you're going to have problems.

And as I mentioned, I think there are holes that need to be improved upon, and you're only going to improve upon them with better free agents that will cost more money. Okay. And I definitely understand exactly where you're coming from. From an optimism point of view and from those that want to still cling to that belief that Tom Brady is going to be back in New England next year, we've heard a lot of reports that the posturing around Tom's contract and wanting that big payday may be a little bit more about the respect that Tom gets when it comes to having a little bit more of a say in the offense, a little bit more of a say in the personnel. Tom Curran, who we both know and respect, wrote a very good article here in Boston on NBC Sports Boston just the other day and mentioned that the impasse that the Patriots and Brady are currently at does include that level of respect, maybe as much, if not more so, than the money. If there is a deal to be worked out or if there is a compromise to be made, do you believe that there is a compromise to be made there, knowing how securely Bill Belichick likes to keep his control over player personnel and what goes on, and especially play calling?

He likes to keep that close to the vest. Do you believe that there is any type of play to be made there to make maybe some of the contract difficulties that would block the Patriots and Brady from coming to an agreement come to fruition? Everything in life is a compromise. I don't see the head coach compromising that. That seems to be a bit of a stretch for me, to give a player that much say, especially about the personnel on the team. I think that's a little far-fetched.

Now, do I see Brady having a little bit more say in the way that the offense looks? A hundred percent. You're talking about the greatest quarterback of all time who's worked with the offensive coordinator who may or may not still be the offensive coordinator going into next season. And especially if the offensive coordinator is not still there going into next season, you're going to need to have somebody who knows that offense, or you're going to need to have an offensive coordinator who's looking to create a new offense. And if that's the case, I think it's even more likely that Brady's not back on the team because you've got to hit that

reset button sometime. It's just a matter of whether you're ripping off the Band-Aid now or you're going to take a big bullet hole later. Yeah, and that's a good point. And I do understand exactly where you're coming from. And I think a lot of our listeners are probably opening their eyes a little bit to some of the difficulties that maybe are reported, but not a lot of people want to take a look at and really delve into or really give credence to. And there are some difficulties and some roadblocks and impediments in Combrady coming back. That's why this is such a story, folks. A lot of people, that very common piece of feedback that I'll get a whole lot is, why is this such a story?

We know Tom, at the end of the day, is going to eventually come back. Well, there are some logistical problems. If I'm being honest, and if I'm being 100% brutally honest, I do believe at the end of the day, Tom will be coming back to New England because I do think it's a little bit more about the respect and maybe control over the offensive play. Not control, but a little more say in the offensive play calling to what you just alluded to. I think that type of respect and that ability for him to be able to prove that he's still the best guy to quarterback this New England Patriots team. At the end of the day, Tom Brady has always been about winning. He's always been about success. To me, I don't think there's another situation out there that allows him the ability to be as successful and to win as well as he would in New

England. That leads me into my final question for you today, Jay, and that you've gone on record by saying that you don't believe he'll be back next year if it's not in new england where's the best fit for john brady in 2020 that's a great question that i think is the 30 million dollar question to be honest that's why i saved the best for last my friend i mean go ahead i i've heard i've heard you know great places that I think make a ton of sense. I think Miami makes a ton of sense to have him be the bridge to Tua or whichever quarterback they end up drafting. I mean, to me, logical sense says that's a great place. Indy doesn't make that much sense to me in terms of him going there. Cleveland, if the offensive coordinator is going there, would you bench Baker Mayfield? That would be a fun, interesting experiment, wouldn't it? You know, the Los Angeles

Chargers, again, I don't necessarily see the fit there, as that's been a hotly rumored team for Tom Brady. Wherever he ends up, I do believe he's ultimately the greatest bridge quarterback of all time. Yeah, without question. Because it's totally going to be a bridge-type situation. You're going to have Tom Brady in as your starter for at least two years, and you're going to draft a guy high in the high in this draft there's probably four or five guys that are being talked up right now as being potential stars in the NFL potential starters at quarterback that will sit and learn under the tutelage of Tom Brady for at least two years I think the one aspect that I would say that goes a little bit underreported about that is Tom Brady's not exactly the huggy Sherry type.

I don't know if he's going to sort of change that now that he if he moves to another team. I think he probably would. Again, that's just something that makes common human sense. But it is something that Tom hasn't done in the past with any of the previous backup quarterbacks. So that would be the one little thing that I would be hesitant if I was a team out there. I thought the best place for both him and Josh McDaniels would have been Dallas. I can't believe Jerry Jones didn't pursue that heavily and hit the reset button in Dallas. But he went with Mike McCarthy. Yeah, believe it or not, that was actually an eyebrow razor on myself as well.

I figured with Jason Garrett being jettisoned and it looked like they were going to move in a different direction. Jack Prescott is an admirable quarterback. He did a whole lot in terms of offensive prowess this year, but down the stretch, it was difficult for Dallas to get going, and some of that has to be on the quarterback. You have to think that maybe in that environment, it could have been a good fit for both Josh and for Tom. And again, I think you make very good points, Jay, and I think you made definitely some good points about the cap and about money. I think that's a very, very big impediment that the Patriots are going to have to do.

If they're going to make it work, they have to get very, very creative, more creative than they ever have been in the past. And that could be a problem, folks. So definitely something, as I like to say, keep a sharp eye on. The second part of it is whether or not Tom feels the commitment from the team. I think he'd love to be back in New England. I think it's going to be up to Bill Belichick and the coaching staff, or mostly Belichick, and finding out what exactly his future plans are. One thing that I think goes a little

under the radar as well is Bill Belichick is a pragmatist. He does cut ties with players. He makes the difficult decisions, and we've seen him move on from players when fans were up in arms, going back to the days of Adam Vinatieri and even before that with Lawyer Malloy and things of that nature. He's made some tough decisions, but Bill Belichick is ultimately about winning as well. He's about winning, sustained winning for the long term, but at 67 years of age, there's got to be a little bit in him that wants to believe that his windows are not maybe as open as they were about 10 years ago, and he has to go for the jugular now. He might just be in a best-case scenario for that quarterback to beat Tom Brady to lead him there. So ultimately, we'll see what happens. I think Jay's laid out a great case for him not to be

back. Hopefully, Patriots fans will see what the situation will develop. And as always, it'll be covered ad nauseum from now until free agency begins. And it's just beginning. But Jay, thank you so much for taking time out of your busy schedule today, lending your wisdom and counsel. You are the pod Vader for a reason, not just because you're my boss. And I have to say that. No, just kidding, folks.

It doesn't. But no, not just because I love the nickname, but because you truly are. You always bring wisdom and counsel the way only you can do it. Thank you for joining us here today on Locked on Patriots and lending an opinion that I think we all needed to hear a little bit. Thank you, Mike. One more thing just to leave you with this little nugget, too. If Josh McDaniels does leave the New England Patriots, the offensive coordinator position is an interesting one.

Because the guys on the staff right now that I would look at to be sort of the leaders in the clubhouse to take that role, I would look at Brett Bialema, who's currently the defensive line coach, but obviously was a former head coach in the college position. Mick Lombardi, who's been with the team for nine years, is the current assistant quarterbacks coach. And then my dark horse would be Troy Brown, who's been on that sideline all season long and isn't listed as an official Patriot coach. Absolutely.

All week, Jay, the possibility of Chad O'Shea. His name is out there. He's got familiarity with Brady. Having coached the wide receivers here before, could he be brought back in if Josh ends up leaving? Could he be brought back in as the offensive coordinator? If Josh does come back, would he take a position as a wide receivers coach, knowing that if Josh moves on, he's going to slide into that role? Always a lot to talk about here in New England, and I'm glad that you brought that up because it does end us on a high note, and I appreciate that, but it also gives us something to think about

as we head into the weekend. Thanks once again, my friend. Always a pleasure. Thank you, Mike. So there you have it, folks. Jay Soderbergh, the podvator himself, has gone on record in saying that Tom Brady will not be back in Foxborough next year. I've countered that argument by saying I truly believe he will be. But I respect Jay's opinion.

I think he made some great points, especially when it comes to salary cap and money. Especially this offseason, they have a great number of priorities. It may be difficult for them to be able to fit it under the cap. But the one thing that I've learned is that things are always possible if both sides are willing to come together. Here in Patriots Nation, we're living in hope of just that. We hope that Robert Kraft,

Bill Belichick, Tom Brady all come together and realize that their best chance to win in 2020 is with each other. Even Jay made the point that in life there's always compromise. Will Tom leave a little bit of cash on the table if he feels he's getting the support from the organization that he needs to be successful? To me, that's the key in him returning. I'm still putting my money on yes, because at the end of the day, I believe that Kraft, Belichick, and Brady are much stronger together than they ever would be apart. So folks, only time will tell whether it's myself or Jay that will have bragging rights around the locked-on water cooler with regard to Tom's status for 2020. As for me, I will be back on Monday as we here in Patriots Nation continue our march toward 2020. And I'll be reintroducing a segment here that will be back on Monday as we here in Patriots Nation continue our march toward 2020.

And I'll be reintroducing a segment here that will be new to me called Mock Draft Monday. And in conjunction with our friends at the Draft Network, I'll be breaking down some of the Patriots' possible draft targets, so you won't want to miss that. As always, please be sure to join me each and every day here on the Locked On Patriots Podcast. Subscribe and download via your preferred podcast provider.

Once again, I am Mike DeBate. I thank Jay Soderbergh for his time and his insight today. But most of all, I thank you so much for listening and for staying locked in to Locked On Patriots. Have a great weekend, everyone.