Locked On Patriots - Daily Podcast On The New England Patriots - Locked On Crossover - New England Patriots vs. Indianapolis Colts in Week 15 — 12/16/21

Episode Date: December 17, 2021

It’s Crossover Time on the Locked On Podcast Network heading into Week Fifteen of the the 2021 NFL Season. Join hosts Mike D’Abate of Locked On Patriots and Evan Sidery of Locked On Colts for Cros...sover Thursday, as they preview this matchup between the New England Patriots and the Indianapolis Colts from Lucas Oil Stadium in Indianapolis, Indiana on Saturday, December 18Support Us By Supporting Our Sponsors!Built BarBuilt Bar is a protein bar that tastes like a candy bar. Go to builtbar.com and use promo code “LOCKED15,” and you’ll get 15% off your next order.BetOnline AGThere is only 1 place that has you covered and 1 place we trust. Betonline.ag! Sign up today for a free account at betonline.ag and use that promocode: LOCKEDON for your 50% welcome bonus.StatHeroStatHero is the first of its kind Daily Fantasy Sports platform where it’s YOU vs. the HOUSE in head to head fantasy matchups - winner take all. Sign up for FREE - RIGHT NOW - at StatHero.com/LOCKEDON and use promo code LOCKEDON for a One Hundred Percent Deposit Match. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 You are Locked On Patriots, your daily New England Patriots podcast. Part of the Locked On NFL crossover special for I think arguably the best game here for this weekend's slate. I am Evan Sidery, the host of Locked On Colts, joined by Mike DeBate, the host of Locked On Patriots. We are here today on a Wednesday afternoon as we're recording this to go over I think one of the best games of the entire month of December, Mike. Colts versus Patriots. The rivalry is back on, so to say. A huge game for both sides here in Indianapolis on Saturday night at Lucas Oil
Starting point is 00:00:53 Stadium. How are you doing today? I'm doing great, Evan. It's always an honor to join you here on the microphone for these crossovers. And the Colts games are always ones that I know Patriots fans get up for. I know the Patriots players get up for it. I know it's the same on the side of the Indianapolis Colts. That rivalry is still there. A lot of respect between these two teams. I think two of the hottest teams in football right now. They're peaking at the right time, both playing their best football.
Starting point is 00:01:19 This one on Saturday night has the makings of a seasonal classic. I, for one, can't wait to watch this game and to cover this game and to be able to absorb everything that we're going to see on Saturday. Absolutely. We're going to start off the show today. I'm going to ask you some Patriots questions, and you'll ask me some Colts questions. Then we'll end the show today talking through our keys to the game
Starting point is 00:01:37 and predictions. So let's start off here, Mike, about the Patriots. If I would have told you about eight or so months ago when we knew that Tom Brady was leaving New England and the Patriots would be the number one seed heading into around Christmas time what would you have told me back then if Tom Brady left in the position they're in right now I probably would have told you that that was wishful thinking on anybody's part especially Patriots fans to think that one year removed from the departure of Tom Brady and
Starting point is 00:02:05 everything that went on last season with all of the opt-outs and all of the difficulty in terms of finding their offensive rhythm and Cam Newton going on COVID reserve for a period of time, there was so much upheaval in New England. And especially after watching Tom celebrate a Super Bowl title with the Bucs last year, Patriots fans thought they were in for lean times for many years to come, but they spent uncharacteristically high in the offseason, really went after a lot of free agents, not necessarily the biggest names out there on the market, although they did sign big name free agents to really lucrative deals, but the Patriots went after the right free agents. They targeted areas that really were deficient in 2020, and they made the best of their cap space and really put it to good use,
Starting point is 00:02:50 signing guys like Matthew Judon to come in and really revolutionize the linebacking core, signing a tight end like Hunter Henry, who really is that prototypical wide tight end that can give you options in the middle part of the field, be a threat in the red zone, and also drop back and be a very capable blocker. Sean Smith has struggled a little bit this year early on, had a shoulder injury, but he's starting to come on as of late and starting to round into form.
Starting point is 00:03:14 So the Patriots definitely used free agency to their advantage. And then of course, they use the draft to their advantage. And that was really, I think, the biggest hurdle in putting them over the top. Drafting Mac Jones at number 15 has definitely paid dividends for them. Christian Barmore in the second round has really helped to shore up the run defense and the pass defense and that front seven.
Starting point is 00:03:38 And then you look at someone like Ramondre Stevenson, who came in as a third rounder and a running back. He's helped to be able to satisfy the running game. So the Patriots are winning with a familiar formula. It's solid complimentary football on both sides of the ball. And then of course, exemplary coaching from Bill Belichick. So it happened a lot quicker than a lot of people thought it was going to, but in New England, they'll take it. If it's a one year absence from the playoffs, that's not too bad for a rebuild let's talk about how aggressive the Patriots were this offseason Mike you go out and spend I believe
Starting point is 00:04:10 175 million dollars in guaranteed money in free NCAA big curveball from what we've seen from the Patriots in the past did that throw you off guard a little bit and how do you think it's paid off it's I mean certainly look at the AFC Stings right now it definitely is paying its dividends already absolutely without any question. Look, especially in the first couple of days, the initial legal tampering period that is put together now in the league, you look at what they did and how many names were coming out and how many signings they were having.
Starting point is 00:04:40 I was a busy guy that day for the Lockdown Network doing a lot of different videos for the Lockdown Network doing a lot of different videos for, you know, the Lockdown Podcast Network announcing new deals and terms and details. I was surprised by the aggression that the Patriots showed. It's definitely atypical for a Bill Belichick coach team and a Bill Belichick run team as the GM. He's usually very frugal, very prudent. He'll lie back. He'll take some of the outliers. He'll look for guys that are the right fit for his system. Not necessarily the biggest names out there, but guys that can come in and fit in and play well. We've seen him do it throughout his 20-year tenure in New England, but this year, the Patriots had cap space available. They had
Starting point is 00:05:20 the ability to go out and target the players that they knew could come in and make an immediate impact. For everyone that wants to say, oh, Belichick's cheaper, he doesn't want to pay, I definitely point you to the $175 million that you just mentioned in terms of giving contracts out. Really, it broke a team record in terms of spending over $160 million in guaranteed money. Very uncharacteristic, very unpatriot-like. But what was patriot-like about it is the fact that these guys were the right players at the right time and what they needed.
Starting point is 00:05:49 So Belichick just pressed the right buttons this year, and he did it in a way that not a lot of people saw coming. But you really can't argue with the results so far. There really haven't been a whole lot of free agent busts for the New England Patriots. Some have performed better than others, but really they're getting contributions from almost every one of the 11 free agents that they signed to either return to the Patriots, guys like Kyle Van Noy and Ted Garris, or some of the
Starting point is 00:06:14 newcomers that I mentioned before, like a Hunter Henry or a Matt Judon. Let's go to Mac Jones now, Mike, because the way he's played so far this year has been nothing short of incredible for the Patriots, helping to get back on top. He didn't do much against Buffalo, but when the running game was rolling like it was in those conditions, you can't blame Bill Belichick for only having him throw for 19 yards in that game. But total so far this season, almost 3,000 yards, two to one touchdown interception ratio, 16 touchdowns, eight interceptions, almost a 100 QB rating at 97.0. what's been your assessments of Mac Jones so far this year in year one I have to imagine year two and beyond the playbook's going to expand even more
Starting point is 00:06:50 for him and it's going to be a smooth ship sailing so to say for the Mac Jones era even after this season absolutely I mean Evan the Patriots clearly made the right call in selecting Mac with the 15th overall pick in the 2021 NFL draft for all For all the off-season discussion that went on, and there was a lot of it, especially up here in New England, that the Patriots wanted to move away from their traditional passing game, that they really wanted to try to incorporate more runs, more zone reads, more RPO into what they do and their repertoire, especially knowing that they had re-signed Cam Newton to come back and what we
Starting point is 00:07:25 thought was going to be the starting position for the Patriots in 2021, the aerial attack really remained the same. It remained that timing-based system predicated on vertical routes and the completions from the quick, accurate throws where the receiver can get it. What Mack has done so well, and really I think what he did was build on exactly what he did in Alabama. He ran a very similar type of system under Nick Saban there, and now what he's done is he's taken it to that next level. Mack Jones is not only putting the ball where the receiver can get it, he's putting the ball where the receiver can get it and create plays by leading his receivers under the defense, releasing the ball quickly,
Starting point is 00:08:05 delivering it accurately. And that has really provided the playmakers that the Patriots have on offense, whether it be the wide receivers like Jacoby Myers or someone like Nelson Aguilar or Kendrick Bourne, a newcomer in the system, who's really done a tremendous job for the Pats this year, or their tight end sets when they run with John O'Smith out of the backfield or they try to get Hunter Henry available in the red zone he provides them with the space they need to catch and run with the football and it really it all starts from just showing poise I think beyond his years Mac has really looked very comfortable in the pocket when he's had to maneuver out of the pocket he's also looked like he has some
Starting point is 00:08:45 comfort level there is a little more athletic than people give him credit for i'm not saying he's going to win any any type of quarterback athletic competitions anytime soon but he's got a little more athleticism than people will give him credit for there are times when the decision making is very rookie like and there will be times where we'll continue to see that but overall the quarterback position in New England is definitely in the right hands, you know, and it will be for many years to come as long as they have Mac Jones calling signals in New England.
Starting point is 00:09:13 A guy who's helped Mac Jones get to this point this year and a guy who I think is not going to have a big welcome on Saturday night is Josh McDaniels, the Patriots offensive coordinator. We know the history there, him backing out of the Colts job last minute. But do you feel like, Mike, is there ever going to be another opportunity here soon where Josh McDaniels goes out and tries to get another head coaching job here soon? Because he's proving it again this year with the rookie quarterback in Matt Jones. I think he is ready again to be a head coach.
Starting point is 00:09:40 Or is at this point, do you think from your perspective, he's going to wait out with Bill Belichick and be the next guy up, so to say, in New England whenever that happens? You know, Evan, it's going to sound like a cop-out for this, but I think that could go either way. Look, bottom line with McDaniels in terms of what happened with Indianapolis, I think a lot of teams, and they still may be, and for good reason. I can understand where Indianapolis fans are coming from on that.
Starting point is 00:10:04 You're gun-shy when it comes where Indianapolis fans are coming from on that. You're gun shy when it comes to pulling the trigger and hiring someone like that. There have been circumstances before where McDaniels has been interested in a job and then all of a sudden pulled back out or said he's not interested. Obviously, Indianapolis being the most high profile and really the deepest into that situation where he was essentially de facto named the head coach. And then all of a sudden you find out he's going to come back and he's going to be the offensive coordinator in New England that could limit his options but for all intents and purposes this is a business where you can
Starting point is 00:10:35 never really say never so I do think there may be suitors out there for his services especially when they look at this year what he's been able to do with Mac Jones in such a short period of time. He's proving that he is a very, very good offensive-minded coach and has the capability of working with players and getting the most out of them. When it comes to whether or not he's going to wait it out with Bill Belichick here, there's so many different theories and so many different options on the table right now in terms of what the Patriots may do when Bill decides that his coaching days have, you know, run their course and he's ready to move on into
Starting point is 00:11:11 retirement. Will it be Steve Belichick that takes that, you know, mantra from his father and will he become a head coach? We've heard, you know, several players, including the Hall of Famer Ty Law the other day saying that he believes that he may be in line for a coaching position very soon, meaning Steve Belichick, the younger son of Bill Belichick, and also Gerard Mayo, who's on the coaching staff right now as well, may be in line for a coaching spot. So it's not necessarily a slam dunk that the keys to the kingdom will be handed over to Josh. You always have to strike when the iron is hot in the NFL. And if Josh has the right opportunity with the right quarterback and the right system, it wouldn't surprise me to see him make the move if he feels that it's in his best interest.
Starting point is 00:11:57 Right now, his best interest has been remaining in New England. I don't see that changing in the immediate future, but a lot can change between now and the start of next season if a particular job were to open up that McDaniels would find appealing and if the team finds him appealing as well. Don't forget, what happened in Indianapolis does definitely weigh on the minds of teams that are going to hire new head coaches. And for all intents and purposes, a lot of these teams out there have long memories because of it.
Starting point is 00:12:28 Last question I had for you in the first segment, Mike, about this Patriots team entering into Saturday's game as the number one seed in the AFC. How do you feel they stack up this year in the AFC? It feels so wide open now,
Starting point is 00:12:39 where if I would have told you a month ago, Mike, the Colts would be in this and maybe potentially a top three or four team in the AFC. I would have said you're crazy myself, but this Patriots team right now is rolling on all cylinders it's a huge game on Saturday but even outside of Saturday's game Mike do you feel like the Patriots getting home field advantage if they do get that opportunity how important is that for
Starting point is 00:12:58 this team because if they do get home field advantage back during the Brady days almost it feels like to me where if they get home field advantage you have have two games in Foxborough to get to the Super Bowl. It feels like those teams can be really hard to stop with their offense and their defense and Bill Belichick himself. What's your thoughts on New England this year and how do they stack up in the AFC? I think right now they stack up in the AFC with the elite teams that are at the top of the conference.
Starting point is 00:13:23 And I put Indianapolis in that list as well. I know the record of seven and six right now doesn't place them in the echelon of the Patriots or the Kansas City Chiefs or the Tennessee Titans, who are all nine and four. But I think Indy has played phenomenal football, especially in the last few weeks. I think they're solid at all three levels on defense. They have a much more versatile offense than people give them credit for. They're very well coached by Frank Reich. So I look at the patriots in that vein and that type of um you know mold with the colts with the chiefs obviously who really are starting to re-emerge as a dual threat team see that defense has really shored things up they look to be
Starting point is 00:14:00 formidable of course you can never discount an offense led by Patrick Mahomes and some of the weapons he has at his disposal. If Tennessee can get Derrick Henry back for the stretch run, that all of a sudden opens things up for them, and they can become a formidable unit. We've seen what that defense can do. If those offensive pieces start to come back, they're going to be a tough team. So those right now, I think, are the four teams that I'd put New England right in that mix. But I haven't seen a team that has really emerged as that dominant team that really is going to be the gauntlet throw for other teams and the standard bearer for everyone to get through. In terms of the first round bye, I think it's really something that every team would love to have. You always want that week off. And because there's only one, it's going to be so coveted. The Patriots are built a little bit differently this year. They actually, believe it or not, had struggled more at home than they did on the road up until recently. So this could be a team that might be able to be built equally on the road or
Starting point is 00:14:59 in Foxborough, but there's still that playoff mystique that exists through Gillette Stadium. So if the Patriots were to get it, yeah, I think that puts them in the driver's seat for being the toughest team to beat, but I still don't think it means an automatic push button to the Super Bowl or through the playoffs. There are some very good teams in the AFC right now, and really I think the conference is wide open. Great stuff there, Mike, as always going over to the New England Patriots there. We'll be back in just a second here after our quick word from our sponsors.
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Starting point is 00:17:29 I am Mike DeBate, host of the Locked On Patriots podcast. And Saturday night's all right for fighting between these two teams as they prepare to do battle on Saturday, December 18th, 8.20 p.m., kickoff, Lucas Oil Stadium in Indianapolis, Indiana. And Evan, we shared a lot about the Patriots in the first segment, so now it's time to turn things over and speak for the shoe. And the Indianapolis Colts right now at 7-6 are a team that I believe is right in the mix of the elite teams in the AFC. And I touched upon this a little bit earlier in the segments when I mentioned how solid they're playing on all three levels on defense. Everything that they're doing
Starting point is 00:18:10 right on offense and really, I think, running a very good system, a solid system under Carson Wentz as their quarterback. We'll start with Carson coming on board. Obviously, the Colts have been in a little bit of a transition, maybe a little bit of a tailspin, and I don't know if I'm speaking out of turn, but I'll use that word, following the sudden retirement of Andrew Luck a couple of years ago. But with Carson Wentz at the helm, he's looked very comfortable in this system. Obviously, the synergy he has with Frank Reich is definitely giving him an option to be able to run this offense well. How much has his presence helped Indianapolis' offense really emerge as a very versatile and almost a dual-threat type of offense in the AFC? Yeah, it's really helped diversify their offensive portfolio, so to say, Mike.
Starting point is 00:19:02 Just looking at the way that this Colts team has looked ever since their 0-3 start, and Carson Wentz really had no rhythm the first month of the season. He was hurt all throughout training camp. He was also battling some other issues as far as learning the playbook on the fly. But after that point, from week four on, this Colts team has only lost twice, or three times, excuse me,
Starting point is 00:19:20 over that span of the Bucs, and as well the Titans and the Ravens. And in those three games, Mike, they've had leads of 10-plus points in every single game. So this team is firing on all cylinders. And Carson Wentz has a lot to do with that. I mean, over that span of games outside of week three,
Starting point is 00:19:33 he has 19 touchdowns and four interceptions, just running the offense at a very effective level. It's almost like Phillip Rivers last year where he was a very good game manager, but Carson Wentz and his arm strength, his mobility, gives the Colts a look they haven't seen I think since Andrew Luck in 2018 the last year he was their quarterback because Jacoby Brissett what we knew was all a placeholder there Phillip Rivers was a great game manager but he couldn't push the ball down the field at all but now we're seeing the emergence of Michael Pittman thanks to Carson Wentz and his arm strength we're seeing the
Starting point is 00:20:01 emergence of Jonathan Taylor thanks to the the danger of the play action that Wentz provides with his arm strength as well. Frank Reich has even mentioned on the record that this is the first time that playbook's been fully open since 2018. So it just goes to show you how much trust that Frank Reich and this Colts team has in Carson Wentz. If I would have told you at the beginning of the season, Mike, that he'd be top 10 in QBR and top 10 in touchdown passes and interceptions at this point in the season. I only have five picks as well. I would have thought it would be a steal. I mean, getting him for a third and a first-round pick in next year's draft, which officially conveys here on Saturday, for those wondering,
Starting point is 00:20:32 after he gets to the first quarter, I believe that is officially the 75% snap threshold for the season. That would go to Philadelphia for that first-round pick. But Carson Wentz, he's been everything the Colts have hoped for, even more than I thought. He's been great, I think, at this point. If he can get more comfortable next year, if the Colts can add, I think, another dangerous weapon on the outside of wide receiver,
Starting point is 00:20:51 they're supposed to add more than $60 million in cast space next offseason. I think this Colts team is going to be very dangerous. This is only year one for Carson Wentz, but year one has gone great. I think he's been the best quarterback the Colts have had since Andrew Luck in 18. Yeah, absolutely. And Wentz definitely has settled into his role. And it's something that you probably knew was going to eventually come. Wentz is a very talented quarterback, had some issues, obviously,
Starting point is 00:21:15 in Philadelphia. There was, you know, uncertainty surrounding his playing status for a good long time. But really finding a rhythm and finding a home and finding a very talented offense in terms of being able to accentuate his talents has really been all the difference. And he's definitely doing great things in Indianapolis. You can't mention Indianapolis's offense without mentioning the great Jonathan Taylor. Really, I think right now, I'd probably say the front runner for AFC MVP. And I think that when you look at what he's done, not only leading the NFL in rushing with 1,348 yards, averaging 5.6 yards per carry,
Starting point is 00:21:54 despite being a focal point of every opponent's defensive game plan, I don't think can be lauded enough. It's one thing to be able to do it, but it's one thing to know and be able to do it when everyone else knows that's going to be your offensive game plan for him to still be able to do it when every team is gunning for him and trying to stop him. It says something about Jonathan Taylor and even Bill Belichick this week has been effusive in his praise for Taylor and his abilities. I would say walk us through a little bit what Jonathan Taylor means
Starting point is 00:22:26 to this team in the Indianapolis Colts, but it's probably going to be redundant. What is the one thing about him that makes him such an electric player and really such a feared player throughout the league, Evan? Yeah, it really is. I mean, just watching John Taylor, I've seen some special running backs in Indianapolis like Edger and James growing up watching him, but it just feels like to me that Jonathan Taylor, I've seen some special running backs in Indianapolis, like Edger and James growing up watching him. But it just feels like to me that Jonathan Taylor is just one of the most unique running backs that I've seen as far as this unique blend of speed and power simultaneously. He can take it 85 yards without being touched.
Starting point is 00:22:56 We saw it against the Jets a month or so ago. But he also, almost every carry, he's not going down immediately. It takes two or three guys. He can drag them about two or three yards down the field it's just incredible watching him consistently just pushing the pile getting yards after contact one of those rare guys who has the ability of doing both as far as being a home run hitter and a bruiser and he's also learning as far as a pass catcher goes he already has he's on pace for 50 receptions this year he's really a three down back at this point Mike Mike. And I think
Starting point is 00:23:25 he is the NFL office player of the year looking on to net at the end of the season. And over the last 10 games, John Taylor has scored a touchdown. He's on pace for 24 touchdowns this year and over 2,200 scrimmage yards, the best season for running back since the Damian Tomlinson in 2006, when he scored 31 touchdowns. He's only 22 years old too. That's the crazy part about it. He's just now beginning to hit his prime years in the NFL. And he's a guy to me where I think he might be taking that crown away here very soon if he hasn't already for the best running back in the NFL. And it's just scary to think behind him when this Colts offense is lined up by Quentin Nelson.
Starting point is 00:23:58 They have the formula to go out there. And if they do make the playoffs, they are a very dangerous team in inclement conditions in January of football because Jonathan Taylor is the engine he's a straw that stirs the drink and he's one of the most incredible running backs I've ever seen he can really just take the top off of defense it he's so special to watch I mean I was excited when they drafted him two years ago but what he's doing already in year two it truly is incredible to watch. Absolutely. It really is incredible to watch. And a couple of weeks ago, Patriots fans were Indianapolis Colts fans, if only for a night,
Starting point is 00:24:31 watching him run all over the Buffalo Bills. A lot of smiles in the New England region, watching Jonathan Taylor do that. I have a funny feeling that they're not going to be smiling that much watching Jonathan Taylor do that potentially to New England. Of course, New England's defense may have something to say about that. But all kidding aside, it really is a joy to watch him run. And Taylor, again, I think right now is the frontrunner for MVP based on that performance and that dual threat capability, not just as a rusher, but also being so adept at catching the ball out of the backfield. It gives Indianapolis' offense such a new dimension and such a great dimension to work with that it really does make them a formidable and very scary
Starting point is 00:25:11 team to defend. And speaking of defending, at this point, we've talked a lot about Indianapolis' abilities and their prowess on offense, but on defense, this team, again, is solid on all three levels without any question. You want to talk about, you know, being able to stop the pass. We'll talk about that first, because I think Indianapolis's defense is going to be single minded and purpose. I think that'll be a good way to wrap up our conversation today. But in terms of being able to shut down Mac Jones, the Colts ranked 12th in the league, allowing an average of 230.2 yards per game through the air.
Starting point is 00:25:51 They have 15 interceptions on the season. While the front seven doesn't really have one dominant performer, the Colts have 29 sacks. Obviously, DeForest Buckner leading the way with five and a half, and the pressure has led to a lot of turnovers. This is a defense that loves to feed off of turnovers. When the Colts are going to try to make the Patriots one-dimensional, like we've said, and they want to try to take away the run, which we'll discuss in a minute,
Starting point is 00:26:18 how do you believe this team will try to attack a rookie quarterback like Mac Jones, show him confusing looks, and keep him uncomfortable to keep the Patriots' offense off balance? Yeah, it's a really good conversation point because this Colts defense can be very multiple, but they can also still be a little inconsistent. I know against some really good quarterbacks this year, they have struggled. Going back to Lamar Jackson, when I had football, he just threw the ball over the place against this team. They tried to sell out for the run. So maybe Mac Jones has one of those games.
Starting point is 00:26:48 But I do think we're going to see a lot of pressure. Data from defense coordinator Matt Eberflus, Quiddie Paye, their rookie first-round pick, is really coming on off the edge. I think he has four sacks over the last month or so for the Colts. On top of that, DeForest Buckner is an all-pro defensive tackle. So those two guys are really starting to hammer home and getting a lot of chemistry together we all know about Darius
Starting point is 00:27:07 Leonard as well he is one of the best linebackers in the NFL he's forced I believe 12 turnovers by himself this year if you include forced fumbles fumble recoveries interceptions all that mixed together he's just he's in a defensive player of the year conversation I would say just what all he does he's a game changer for this Colts team and Mike you know this guy very well but Kenny Moore the former New England Patriot who was cut he's done everything for this Colts team he looks he's like the Rondé Barber of this Tampa 2 defense for the Annapolis Colts he can blitz you can disguise him in coverage he can play inside and outside he's a sound strong tackler he's on pace for 100 tackles this year and five interceptions he's been such a gem of a fine
Starting point is 00:27:44 by the Colts, and he's on pace to help get some pro-ball love or at least get some all-pro love as a nickel cornerback. I know it's rare in the NFL nowadays, but Kenny Moore has definitely been one of the best guys in this position so far this year, and he has been the last couple years. So it's really the spine of this defense
Starting point is 00:27:58 is DeForest Buckner, Darius Leonard, and Kenny Moore. Those three guys set the tone defensively. But I think in this matchup, I'm very curious to see what New England does because like we mentioned throughout today's show, the Colts are going to sell it against this run for New England. They're going to try to stop Ramondre Stevenson in this Patriots ground attack. Julian Blackman, though, the Colts' best safety
Starting point is 00:28:18 has been out for the last couple months with a torn Achilles. I do wonder, Mike, if Mack Jones with his arm tests this safety group deep because Kari Wills has been very inconsistent this year. And also they've been playing Andrew Sandejo and George Odom as well to replace Julian Blackman, which hasn't gone well so far. So if the Pages want to counteract a really strong box and really sign off for the run, which the Colts are going to try to do,
Starting point is 00:28:41 I really think maybe testing this secondary deep might be the best way to go. Yeah, I think you're right on that. And look, for all of the flack that Josh McDaniels, Bill Belichick, and even Mac Jones have taken in the past week or so through the bye week for only attempting three passes against the Buffalo Bills, I think Mac is a little eager to show that he can air it out and maybe get the ball downfield a little bit.
Starting point is 00:29:03 So don't be a bit surprised to see the kid come out and maybe test that secondary a little bit down the field. Maybe the cornerback group, maybe the safety group, try to work the intermediate areas of the field. Again, that's where guys like Kendrick Bourne and Hunter Henry become so valuable for this team because they really are reliable targets for Mac. And of course, Jacoby Myers, the wide receiver position. So I think that's an interesting and astute observation.
Starting point is 00:29:25 And on a selfish note, I do want to just pick out something that you said about Quiddy Pay, who I happen to share an alma mater with in terms of high school. Bishop Hendrick in high school in Warwick, Rhode Island was my alma mater. And that is also Quiddy's alma mater. And he is definitely the toast of Rhode Island, becoming the first NFL player taken in the first round of the NFL draft since 1939. So Quidipe has a lot of fans up here. For anyone that doesn't believe that there are New England fans that are happy to see the Colts do well, not at the expense of the Patriots,
Starting point is 00:29:57 but he's got a lot of fans because of Quidipe, who is a dynamic person on and off the field. I had a chance to get to talk to him a couple of years ago when he came back to visit Hendrickson, and I had a chance to do a telephone interview with him, and just a phenomenal, phenomenal kid, and I'm so glad to see him doing well in Indy, and he really has emerged as a force on that edge. So thank you for indulging me for just a moment
Starting point is 00:30:21 to speak glowingly about Quidipe, because he really is making a lot of people proud up here in New England and especially in our alma mater at Enderton. All Hawks quality won in that regard. Evan, thank you for the insight that you have provided here for the Locked On Patriots listeners and for the Locked On Colts listeners that you provide each and every day. But folks, we're not done just yet because in just a moment, Evan and I will provide our keys to victory, our final thoughts on the game, and we might even throw in a game prediction.
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Starting point is 00:33:36 Mike DeBate of Locked On Patriots. I am Evan Sidery of Locked On Colts. We're here to wrap things up with our keys of the game and predictions for Saturday's massive game, Saturday Night Football on NBC this week. We're Indianapolis Colts versus the New England Patriots. The Colts are two and a half point favorites on the Vegas odds. The over-under is 45, Mike. I'll start off with you with New England because we went through talking about maybe how this Colts team, their defense is going to suck completely against this rushing attack for
Starting point is 00:34:01 the Patriots. We know it's going to be one of the trenches. What's your biggest key to New England pulling off? According to Vegas, it could be an upset on Saturday in Indianapolis. If the Patriots are going to be successful in this game, they're going to have to do one thing most prominently, and that is protect the football. Again, the Colts are a team that feeds off of turnovers
Starting point is 00:34:23 on both sides of the ball. They love to be able to utilize the field, to get field position, make things happen. Obviously, the defense forcing turnovers, but then the offense capitalizing on those turnovers. And they're one of the best teams in the league at doing both. So the Patriots need to protect the ball. That's going to be vital for Mac Jones and the rest of the offense. Prior to Monday night in Buffalo, Mac only attempting three passes there. Mac had been using Kendrick Bourne and Jacoby Myers effectively in the last few recent weeks. I really look for that to continue for the Pats on Saturday night. Utilizing two receivers, you know that the Colts defense is going to try to zero in,
Starting point is 00:35:01 take away his targets as tight ends in the intermediate part of that field. That's where Matt can really try to utilize someone like a Kendrick Bourne or a Jacoby Myers. Take care of the ball. Do not allow the Colts defense to dictate the game. Easier said than done, but that's exactly what they're going to try to do. And then of course on defense, the key to it all is trying to marginally disrupt Jonathan Taylor. You're not going to be able to stop him. You just want to try to contain him. If they're going to do that, Devon Godchow in the middle part of that offensive defensive line, excuse me, it's going to have to continue the momentum he provided a couple of weeks ago when he had his best game as a Patriot having 10
Starting point is 00:35:41 tackles. Linebackers Dante Hightower, Kyle Van Noy, Juwan Bentley, they need to be disciplined when they attack to prevent any type of cutback lanes for Jonathan Taylor to exploit. If they can do that and get multiple helmets around him at all times, I like their chances of being able to be competitive in this game. If not, it could be a long one for the New England Patriots on Saturday night, especially if Taylor gets on track early. Yeah, echoing your sentiments there, Mike, a lot of the same things from the Colts side as far as the biggest keys to the game. Carson Wentz has to play turnover-free football in this one.
Starting point is 00:36:13 We know Bill Belichick is going to discuss and try to bait Carson Wentz into some bad decisions, which he has done in high-pressure situations this season against Baltimore or against Tennessee. So there's different situations where Bill Belichick can get in Carson Wentz head a little bit. It could really alter the Colts game plan, but it's going to all revolve around Jonathan Taylor. Like you mentioned there, Mike, you can't contain Jonathan Taylor,
Starting point is 00:36:34 or you can't stop him. You just have to contain him. And I think if he does get like, let's say 15 to 20 touches in this game, if he can get at least a hundred yards in those, I think the Colts are in a good spot. They can control the clock. They have to win a line of scrimmage battle against this really good Patriots run defense. And that's where it's all going to come down to,
Starting point is 00:36:49 is this Patriots rush defense against Colts rushing offense. Strength on strength there. It's really good to side this game. And on the other side, I mentioned Carson Wentz has to play really good football. And I also think the Colts should try maybe to test the Patriots a little bit deep. Michael Pittman Jr. has been quiet the last two weeks, but he is a jump ball threat. He's a Pro Bowl-like receiver this year, taking a huge jump in year two.
Starting point is 00:37:12 I do want to try to get Pittman going in the middle of the field as well as deep in this game early on to try to mix things up and take some guys out of the box from the Patriots standpoint. This is a very, very intriguing matchup, Mike. These two teams, I think, are very, very similar as far as how they're going to attack each other on Saturday night so we can go into our predictions here Mike I'll start off with you how do you see this game going on Saturday between the Colts and the Patriots as the rivalry is finally getting renewed a little bit it is it's definitely getting renewed and I think this has the opportunity to be the game of the weekend maybe even the game
Starting point is 00:37:43 down the stretch for both of these teams I I think the Patriots' toughest test is Saturday night coming into the playoffs. They've seen Buffalo before. They've seen Miami before. Jacksonville is Jacksonville, and although you'd never take any games off or anything for granted, that's one the Patriots should have. So I look at Indy as being their toughest test simply because there is the unknown factor. They haven't faced this team in a couple of years. And also the fact that Indy is so well balanced on both sides of the ball creates a lot of matchup problems. Again, if the Patriots are to be successful, Mack Jones is going to have to utilize play action.
Starting point is 00:38:18 He may have to utilize the jet sweep out of the backfield to get the running game going, because I know Indy's defense is going to be looking to stop the run, shut down Damian Harris and Ramondre Stevenson. Mac is going to have to have a big game for the Patriots to be successful, and it's not going to be easy against this Indianapolis defense. I do see the Patriots being able to pull up just enough on both sides of the ball to pull off the road win, so I'm going to go with my Homer Hart on this one, and I'm going to say the Patriots pull off the victory, but it's not going to be a very large margin. This is going to come right down to the wire. I think the Patriots take this by a Nick Fult field goal. I'm right the same way
Starting point is 00:38:55 with you on the opposite direction. I think this is a very close game, but I am leaning towards the home team here in Indianapolis. I just think Jonathan Taylor is the best player on the field. If he breaks a couple runs loose, Mike, I think that's going to change the game entirely. Force the ball in the Mac Jones' hands. If he can get some pressure on him, maybe force a turnover for Mac Jones as well. I think the Colts are in the driver's seat to win this game.
Starting point is 00:39:14 It's going to be a rowdy atmosphere in Indianapolis on Saturday night, so it's going to be a lot of fun to watch. But I am going to go Colts 27, Patriots 24. I think the opposite direction. I think Michael Badgley hits a field goal late for the Colts to win this game but these two teams might just wrap up this show we're going in a field goal direction for either side here I think both these teams it will not be a surprise at all Mike we're talking again for a crossover special in late January with
Starting point is 00:39:37 the cerebral potential on the line because these two teams are humming right now absolutely and again I think these two teams are peaking at the right time. I think they're both peaking and playing their best football, maybe the best football that any team in the NFL is playing down the stretch, save for maybe a couple that you want to throw in there. Obviously, the defending champs, the Bucs are doing a great job. Chiefs are really peaking at the right time. But the Pats and the Colts right now, I think, are two of the top teams in terms of being hot and in terms of being ready to make that jump to the playoffs.
Starting point is 00:40:05 And this will be a fun one, Evan. And it's going to be a great one. And I would definitely love to be able to do one of these crossovers again in the playoffs and see these two teams meet once again. It's always a happening when the Pats and the Colts meet. That rivalry is still there. Bring it on. Let's get it game on. Let's get Saturday night cooking right now because it's going to be a lot of fun oh I know it's Wednesday night now I can't wait till Saturday gets here but Colts fans, Patriots fans thanks for listening to our Locked On crossover special day
Starting point is 00:40:31 with Mike and myself make sure to subscribe to Locked On Colts and Locked On Patriots to get your insight on each team every single day Monday through Friday but in the meantime thanks for listening and have a great one and stay tuned for a great game on Saturday
Starting point is 00:40:42 between the Colts and the Patriots as the rivalry is back on as Chris Bauer would say

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