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Episode Date: June 27, 2017Chris Simoneau, Patriots Insider for Scout.com, discusses an array of topics today, from Ryan O'Callaghan revealing he is gay to breaking down who will make the 53 man roster, with the focus being on ...offense today. #patriots Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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Good afternoon, I'm Chris Seminole, Patriots Inside of a Scout.com,
and also your host of Locked On Patriots.
Today is Tuesday, June 27, 2017.
We have got a lot to get to today.
We're going to start with some news and updates like we normally do.
And then we're going to discuss the Patriots 53-man roster.
And we're also going to refer to a great piece put together by
Hal Bent of Patriots Insider on Scout.com. I don't agree with him
on everything, which is good. And I'll explain why
so when we get to that breakdown, we talk about his article and talk about what he sees
happen with the 53-man roster.
I'll give my own two cents as to what I think is going to happen, too, and hopefully at
some point this week we'll be able to get Hal on the show and we'll delve into it a
little bit more.
We'll go position by position and really get into this.
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We're going to get into that a little bit later in the show too,
especially now with we're a month away from training camp.
Officially, it's on.
Speaking of training camp, we're going to get right into that with Patriots news.
The Patriots announced their training camp dates that are open to the public.
Their first public training camp practice will take place on Thursday morning, July 27th,
on the practice fields behind Gillette Stadium.
The first four public sessions have been announced.
They're going to run, again, July 27th.
They can go right through the 30th.
Morning practices each day will begin at 9 o'clock in the morning.
The exact times are going to be updated on the Patriots training camp website.
You can go on Patriots.com and go on to the training camp.
You can't miss it.
It's basically Patriots.com and go onto the training camp. You can't miss it. It's basically
Patriots.com slash training camp
so they can confirm the days leading up
to the camp because sometimes with weather
or things of that nature, sometimes things come up.
And again, the cool
part is that these sessions are free to the public.
On Saturday, July
29th, this is an important note to note too
for you Patriots season ticket
holders. Patriots are going to induct defensive
back Raymond Claiborne, one of my favorite
all-time players, finally
into their Hall of Fame.
Ceremony is free. It's open to the public.
It will be held on the NRG
Plaza outside the hall at Patriot
Place. So actually I take back what I said
about the season ticket holders.
That's a different thing they'll
be doing. So the induction ceremony will begin shortly after noon,
soon after training camp practice that morning.
So interesting because it used to be that they would do it leading up to the Patriots' personal practice.
They would have practice in front of the season ticket holders and the media and stuff.
But apparently they've changed it this year,
and I have a feeling that Bill Belichick has something to do with that.
As far as joint practices are concerned,
the highlight of training camp is going to be the joint practices,
and they're going to have two of them.
The first time they're going to be with the Patriots and the Jaguars,
and that's going to be on August 7th and August 8th.
That is in Foxborough.
I would highly recommend getting down there to see that.
It's awesome.
It really is.
You get to see high-intensity practices.
These guys are going against players that don't wear the same uniforms.
These are guys that they're going to be battling against,
and they know that when the coaches go back and they watch these practices,
a film, by the way,
and when they go back and watch the film of these practices
and they go back and discuss the things that they saw,
just with the naked eye, not even some film,
there's going to be a lot of decisions based off of these practices,
so this is fun to watch.
The team's also going to travel down to West Virginia
for a joint practice with the Texans.
That'll be on August 15th and the 16th.
Obviously, I know you guys are going to be trucking your way down to West Virginia,
but that, again, will be a good thing for New England.
It'll be great for the team. These workouts are at the Greenbrier
Resort in White Sulphur Springs. I have no idea what that is, but
that's the press release that I was given, and that's what I'm giving to you guys.
They'll precede a preseason game in Houston on August 19th, so that's usually how
they do this. The Patriots will have a joint practice with the team, like they do with Jacksonville.
They'll have two joint practices, and then they'll play them in the preseason game the following
couple days later. Same thing goes with the Houston
Texans. I believe that these practices are very helpful for the Patriots
not only to get ready for the game speed perspective and to get a look at
guys when they're facing somebody with a different uniform on, but it also
gets a chance to look
at players who can become available from the other side.
You see how a player practices, that's a huge advantage when it comes to trying to evaluate,
and if you want to try to make an evaluation on a player that you may acquire, if you've
seen his practice habits, that's huge.
So the more dual practices they have, the more players they get to look at and maybe the NFL should
people
friends with Belichick might want to watch themselves
and not have these joint practices because
you know, T'Keeba
I can't even say his name
Aqib Tlaib is one of those guys that they
had in there and they saw him in practice
they liked what they saw and they traded for him
and he's not the only one. So
I don't know.
These teams might be allowing the Patriots to get a look at their personnel.
Seems interesting.
So, we had another thing come up this week, too.
It happened last night.
It was announced where the NFL and the NFL Network will go and vote for the top.
The players will vote for the top players in the league.
Last night, Tom Brady was voted the top player by his peers.
It's a pretty amazing thing, though.
I mean, to be voted number one by the fans is one thing,
because fans are, I love you guys, but a lot of you guys are clueless.
It's not a bad thing. You know, if you were so into the game, guys like me wouldn't have a job.
We're here to explain some of the intricacies to you so
I get that and that's why when the players vote
on it they see what he has to do day in and
day out to stay as good as he is at the age of 39
and it's impressive so
congratulations to Tom Brady for being voted
top player in the NFL by his peers
that is better than any
MVP award he will win and the thing
about that too and this was
actually commented on this morning by
um his name escapes me he used to work in the Patriots front office uh Mike Lombardi uh Mike
Lombardi said that um this will not only this won't drive Brady because Brady has an internal
drive but it will what it will do to him is make him realize okay well these guys think I'm at the
top and I want to remain there so in a way it kind of will push him a little,
but his internal drive is so good that it's just a little bit of a something to get him going.
Another new thing to add to the team here to get them going,
David Harris signed, and that is a big pickup for the Patriots linebacking corps.
He adds experience and toughness to a linebacking group that they needed some depth.
I just don't think they feel comfortable
going into the year with Kyle Vannoy and guys like
that. You know,
even Shane McClellan, who is probably
going to lose some playing time with the addition of Harris.
I just think it makes
a lot of sense to go out and sign him.
Not only are you stealing a player from the Jets
too, which is always fun because Belichick
loves taking players from the Jets,
you're getting a guy who's been in the division since 2007.
He knows everything. He doesn't miss games.
He's missed one game in the last seven seasons, and I believe he's only missed six in his entire career.
I might be off by one, but still, that's amazing. The guy doesn't miss games.
Harris signed a two-year, $6.7 million contract, I believe $1.7575 if it was guaranteed. Don't quote me on that. I had
that looked up the other day, but sometimes things escape me. I have a lot on my mind when it comes
to the Patriots. So a couple million here and there, a couple hundred thousand dollars, sometimes
that gets lost in translation, but I know it was a two-year $6.75 million deal with under $2 million
guaranteed. So my guess is most of that guaranteed money is going to come into play this year.
So they'll use him this year, and we'll see what happens next year.
He's 33 years old, but again, durable, hard-nosed, makes big plays.
Patriots fans probably are not happy to think about him
because of the nightmare of him and Decepticum Brady
in the 14-2 season of 2010 when the Patriots choked it up.
But now that he's on their side, he should be very happy because he's a very good linebacker.
And that also provides some insurance if the Patriots were to lose Dante Hightower for any period of time, which happens every year, so that's probably going to happen. There was a very interesting story that came out a couple days ago. It talked about former
tackle, former Cal tackle and former Patriots fifth-round pick and tackle, Ryan O'Callaghan,
who actually started for them against the Giants when they went 16-0 and played seven games in 2007.
He was actually a big part of that team.
O'Callaghan came out on out sports.
He's gay.
Former Patriots tackle, he went to hell and back dealing with the truth,
and he was planning on never letting the truth be known.
I'm not going to tell you guys exactly what his plan was,
but you guys can figure it out.
The story is a must-read. I think that everybody should take a look at this because,
you know, for me, you know, I'm 41 years old and I've seen this whole thing with,
it's amazing how I've seen the changes and how people act towards, you know, homosexuals. And
it's just amazing to me that there finally acceptance, and these guys are finally able
to come out and say, you know, you know, I'm gay, or, you know, it, this guy was in the
living hell, and if I had any friends that were living like that, you know, and we've
talked amongst our friends and stuff, and said, no, if anybody ever is, you know, you
let it out, because it's just not something you want to have pent up in you, because,
and as you'll see,, whoever goes and reads the story
if you already have read the story
he was going to kill himself
there's no getting around it
he was going to do it, that was his plan
since he was a young guy
I don't want to give the whole story away
it's a sad story, it's not made up
it's all real
kudos to the Kansas City Chiefs for doing what they did
again, you guys will read it and you'll see. Again,
the story's a must-read. It's located on Outsports.com. It's
everywhere. I came up on my Twitter feed. I can't remember who
retweeted it, but I checked it out and I read it. I didn't take my eyes off it until I was done
reading it. It's terrific. O'Callaghan, that was when I was
a Patriots fan at the time still.
You know, obviously I still want to see the Patriots win,
but at that time I was, you know, really into it.
It was 2007.
I wasn't even part of the media yet.
I had no idea.
Obviously I had no idea.
I was just a fan.
And I bet you a lot of teammates didn't have any idea either.
I bet you some of them knew, but I bet you most of them didn't.
So it is a very emotional story. So this is not an easy read. Just be aware of that. There's
going to be some parts in the beginning that are going to make you really, they're going
to make you a little bit queasy just thinking about what this guy was going through. But
it is absolutely worth the read. I would recommend this to anybody just to see what these poor
guys go through,
you know, being a gay football player, and I haven't read anything about basketball players,
I have read a couple baseball players and stuff, but football's the sport where, you know, machismo and all that good stuff, and it's good to see that, you know, Callahan
even says it in the story too, that he thinks that the players will accept it now, it's
good to hear that because the NFL,
you would think it would be the last sport that would,
but I'm sorry, I think that might not be the case.
So again, go check it out.
Ryan O'Callaghan, it's on Oatsports.
He came out as gay, not in the article.
He came out a couple years ago,
but it's definitely worth the read,
and I definitely think it's just worth the lesson, the life
lesson you learn
from some of these poor guys and
you know, poor women that
are around the ages of
between 30 and 50 that
grew up in the time where
it wasn't really accepted and they really didn't know what to do
so go check it out, it's worth it
Ryan O'Callaghan on Oatsports.com
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Rob Gronkowski.
Okay, so I've been pretty lenient of Gronkowski and his ways.
In fact, we've talked about him. I think he's funny at times.
But he's got to watch what he says.
And he might need to get a clue.
Because he was recently,
he recently was at a David Ortiz roast.
And he was one of the roasters.
So I'm not going to repeat what he said on here
because it's a stupid joke.
It's a joke that I think I heard in fifth grade.
But either way, Gronkowski made a disparaging remark towards Jewish people.
You just can't do that.
A, you shouldn't do that.
You shouldn't even be thinking like that because it's disturbing to begin with.
They're just people.
Second, your team owners, have you not had a conversation with them ever?
I'm about 99.9% sure that the team owners are Jewish.
So that's probably not the best way to show yourself in the good light of your employers,
is by making fun of Jewish people and jokes.
For no reason at all, considering that you're roasting a Dominican baseball player.
The whole thing doesn't make any sense to me.
I didn't listen to it.
I actually listened to that one quote and couldn't believe it,
and I just shut it off.
I heard that part, what he said.
So what I'm saying, and Gronk, I'm sure,
would never hear this podcast, but if he does,
here's a little lesson for you.
You need to shut your mouth a little bit more.
You need to pay a little bit more attention. You need to shut your mouth a little bit more. You need to pay a little bit more attention.
You need to read a little bit more.
Because the act is getting tired at this point.
You're going to be in your 30s and still running around with no shirt on.
Shotgun and beers during the offseason.
It's just not. It's old. It's getting old, man.
It's time to put that crap away and maybe focus a little bit more on having a little bit more down time,
not going out as much.
You want to do some of the stuff on TV, and I get all that because you're making money off it.
That's one thing.
But as far as doing the roasts and talking and speaking in public, it's not your best look.
You might want to pull back on that a little bit.
So I think the Patriots need to be very aware here of Gronkowski,
and people are not happy with what he had to say this time,
and I never have really ripped on him, but this time I am.
So Rob Gronkowski, you need to grow up a little bit,
and you need to watch what you say,
and the disparaging remarks about Jewish people,
man, that's stupid.
Don't be dumb, okay. Don't be dumb.
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53 man roster
so we're going to stick to offense
today and tomorrow we'll get into defense
and again like I said earlier
we're going to try to get Hal on and we'll go through this a little bit more.
But I just want to see where we, him and I, differed on this.
The quarterback position, no, obviously no disagreement at all here.
Brady, Garoppolo, and Bissette are all going to make the roster.
I don't see any three of them, any one of them being traded.
It just doesn't make any sense. Hal feels the same way.
Tom Brady is just looking great.
He's continuing to play like he always has.
You know, Brady, as Howell noted, let a 25-point comeback
and was 43 out of 62 for 466 yards in the Super Bowl.
So I think he's going to be good to go.
Garoppolo had a little bit of a calf injury.
It seems like sometimes Garoppolo's always got something he's dealing with,
but who knows? Let's cross that bridge when we come to it, if we even get to it.
Percet, I love. I think Percet's going to be the guy. I've said that since day one.
I'm not backing off of that. I think Percet is the player who eventually replaces Tom
Brady. So from the quarterback position, we are in 100% agreement. Running backs, Hal
has the Patriots keeping five on the team.
James White, Mike Glisley, Rex Burkhead, DJ Foster, and James Devlin.
The guys he has getting cut, a couple notable guys in here.
One of them very surprising, but really, I don't know.
I might agree with him, actually.
He has Deion Lewis, which is the big one.
Brandon Bolden, which is a cut.
That would be a hit to the special teams more than the running back core,
but if they've drafted guys that they think can come in to step in and replace Bolden on special teams, then that's not going to be any effect.
Glenn Gronkowski, I agree, and LaShawn Daniels, I also agree.
So there is a lot of depth in this running back core,
and there's some repeating players.
James White, Deion Lewis, yes, they're different, and I get that,
but the thing with Deion Lewis is he's never really done it
for more than an eight-game period.
He's never had a full season where he's been good.
He always gets hurt, or something happens,
or something always seems to happen with him.
So in my mind, and I think that Hal is on the same thought here,
he looks at a guy like D.J. Foster,
and people are going to say,
you guys are taking D.J. Foster over Deion Lewis?
What are you, nuts?
Well, D.J. Foster was a great college football player
who's got good wheels, he's got good hands,
and he does things similar to what the Patriots are looking for
with their running backs.
Now, White is not, again, he's not as explosive as Lewis,
but he's smart and he knows when to make his cuts.
Glisley is talented.
He's in first and second down back, and he's just going to be really good.
But Rex Burkhead is a four-down back that can do everything,
and Devlin isn't going anywhere because he's a fullback.
So, Lewis is, again, Lewis might be the guy who's the odd man out here.
I think when it all comes down to it,
and I like the fact that Hal's taking gambles here because the Patriots will too,
I do think there's a better chance that DJ Foster's on the practice squad
and Dion Lewis does make this team.
But I do agree with what he says here, that DJ Foster would make more sense
and maybe trading Lewis for a draft pick might be the way to go
because they have so many guys that they can lean on.
So, again, he's got Dion Lewis getting cut from his running back core
or getting traded, and I think I agree with that
because he's definitely somebody that I could think about getting rid of
and getting something for.
At tight end, he has the Patriots keeping four.
I don't know if I agree with that one.
Rob Gronkowski, Dwayne Allen, James O'Shaughnessy, and Jake Hollister.
He has him cutting Matt Langell and Sam Cotton.
Dwayne Allen, it's noted here by Hal, he had a bit of a tough go in the OTAs.
Belichick had a comment to him saying, quote, this is an indie, which I think is hilarious.
Allen's had some dropsies in the NFL.
Now, he's not going to get cut.
He's definitely not going to get cut because of it, but I'd be very surprised if he lasts for more than one or two years in New England
just because of the fact that he can't hold onto the ball. James O'Shaughnessy was a guy that they
picked up in a trade from Kansas City. He can help on special teams, and he's actually a good
move tight end, which Hal notes here. The offense hasn't had that in a long time, so
the reason why I'd see them keeping
him definitely oval angle is because they
targeted him in free agency
in the draft and went out and traded for him.
Hollister is also an
athletic player. He can stretch a field a little bit.
But I don't think the Patriots
are going to have enough room to be able to keep full tight ends
on the roster. I think Hollister will be the odd man
out. I think he'll end up getting through.
They'll be able to keep him on the practice squad. Wide receivers.
This is an interesting core he has here, but there's really
not a huge surprise, but one that may surprise some fans.
He has them keeping five. Brandon Cooks, Chris Hogan, Julian
Edelman, Malcolm Mitchell, and Devin Lucien. I haven't got too far down on this, but
actually it would be six
because Matt Slater counts as a wide receiver.
He has, on the notable cuts and trades, Danny Amendola getting cut.
Andrew Hawkins, another guy they picked up, getting cut.
That wouldn't be a surprise, though, because that looked like a training camp body.
Austin Carr and Cody Hollister.
So the Hollister twins will no longer be the Patriots, according to Hal.
And I can see that, but I can also see both of them on the practice squad.
I'd be surprised if Danny Amendola gets cut.
I'm not going to lie.
But, Hal, and he notes here, and it's important, and I'm glad he does note that,
that the Ross limitations are going to mean that they can only carry five legit wide receivers.
They'll have to carry the sixth man there because he's a tight end.
But if they have to choose between Devin Lucien and Danny Amendola,
if Lucien has shown that he can step up and be a guy and he's showing the talent,
it's going to be very hard for them to not keep him because if they let him go,
everyone knows that Lucien's a good player.
He was good when he was in college. He dealt with his injuries and transfers and all that type of stuff.
So it would make sense that he would make the roster over Amendola.
Again, this is another one of those situations where I think the Patriots are kind of all in
with the veterans this year. So I'd be shocked if that was to happen.
But if it does happen, I think somebody would take Amendola in a trade.
Interior offensive line.
So this is how Hal has it going.
He's got four guys making the squad in the interior.
David Andrews, Shaq Mason, Joe Tooney, and Ted Karras.
And he has Jason King, James Ferentz, and Chase Ferentz being cut.
The only one I disagree with on this one is James Ferentz.
I think Ferentz is going to make the team.
I think Andrews is a good player.
I like him a lot.
I think Shaq Mason is a guy who's improving tremendously.
Joe Tooney got a bad rap last year.
He was actually pretty good.
Ted Karras is one of the most unathletic players you're ever going to see,
but he's tough as nails, and he's one of those prodigy NFL players
that just keeps on fighting through.
So we'll see how that goes.
Chase Ferentz, in how denoted here, he transferred to offensive line, NFL players that just keeps on fighting through. We'll see how that goes. Chase Farris in Haldon
noted here he transferred to
offensive line, transitioned to offensive line when he was
at Ohio State. Now he's moving over
to guard. He's a bit of a project.
I'd very much like
to see Farris end up on the practice squad.
I think he could help out eventually.
As far as offensive tackle, and this is
where we're going to end it for today because
I don't want to get too far into it. I want to go over the defense tomorrow. As far as offensive tackle, and this is where we're going to end it for today because I don't want to get too far into it.
I want to go over the defense tomorrow.
As far as offensive tackle, Hal has Nate Solder, Antonio Garcia, the rookie,
Marcus Cannon, and Cam Fleming making the team.
As far as his cuts, he has Le'Adrian Waddell, Connor McDermott, Cole Crosson,
Max Rich, Andrew Jelks all getting cut.
So I can see that.
Adrian Waddell, I think, is definitely somebody who could make this team,
depending on the numbers of games throughout the rest of the roster.
I think they would be, four would be plenty.
I do. I do believe that would be plenty.
I think they want to carry a total of nine offensive linemen, though.
So he only has them carrying eight here.
So I would say that out of the, if he has eight projected with Andrews, Mason, Tooney, Karras,
and then Solder, Garcia, Cannon, and Fleming,
my ninth guy out of all of these players that I would add to this list would be Adrian Waddell.
So I do believe that Waddell will make the team.
But again, this is Hal's list, not mine.
This is just how I feel.
But this is a terrific job that he did on this breakdown.
Talks about every player in depth and what they can do
and what they can bring to the team.
I think the Garcia pick is going to be huge for the Patriots in the future
because I don't think they're going to resign Nate Solder in this offseason.
I think they're going to let him eventually walk,
and then they'll go ahead and they'll make Garcia either their right tackle
and move Cannon over.
Or they will just go ahead and put Garcia in the left tackle spot
because he's a little bit more athletic than Marcus Cannon.
But, again, across that bridge when we come to it,
I just don't think that Solder is going to be long for the Patriots.
They typically don't sign a lot of guys on the other side of 30.
And in the situation with Solder, he's battled some injuries.
Unfortunately, he battled cancer.
He's gone through some things.
And he is locked up this season and a pretty good salary too.
But I'd be very surprised if he was to be re-signed by New England.
And if he does re-sign with New England,
it's going to be one of those deals where he gets a decent signing bonus
and a lower salary because they're going to want to keep his salary down
a little bit while they transition here, possibly away from Tom Brady.
So that's how I see the offensive line breaking down.
Again, like I said, we're going to get into the defense tomorrow.
I don't want to give you guys everything today.
Hal did a lot of work on this article.
It's great stuff.
Like I said, if you want to check it out, go to nwe.scout.com.
As soon as you get to the website, it's right on the front banner.
It's the first article up because it's from yesterday, and it's terrific stuff,
so I was going to keep it up there.
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