Locked On Patriots - Daily Podcast On The New England Patriots - New England Patriots Fall to New York Giants: : QB Change, Same Result — POSTCAST

Episode Date: November 27, 2023

The New England Patriots continue to fall to new depths after their 10-7 loss to the New York Giants in their Week 12 matchup at MetLife Stadium. Host Mike D’Abate breaks down the Pats loss, including the quarterback switch from Mac Jones to Bailey Zappe, Rhamondre Stevenson and the running game, the hit on Demario Douglas and the defense compiling six sacks on Giants quarterback Tommy DeVito on this “Special Edition Postcast” episode.Find and follow Locked On Patriots on your favorite podcast platforms:Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/locked-on-patriots-daily-podcast-on-new-england-patriots/id1140512627?i=1000632782469 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/1c5ZxFmwg3WbfxAU3tR5Ve?si=k196wH-yRqifUcQQz8SjIQStitcher: https://www.stitcher.com/show/locked-on-patriotsAnd follow host Mike D’Abate on Twitter, where he’ll be sharing the latest news about the New England Patriots and talking with fans.Twitter: @mdabateNFLSupport Us By Supporting Our Sponsors!DoorDashGet 50% off up to $10 value when you spend $15 or more on your FIRST order, when you download the DoorDash app and enter code LOCKED23. Subject to change. Terms apply.BetterHelpThis episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Make your brain your friend, with BetterHelp. Visit BetterHelp.com/LOCKEDON today to get 10% off your first month. PrizePicksGo to PrizePicks.com/lockedonnfl and use code lockedonnfl for a first deposit match up to $100!GametimeDownload the Gametime app, create an account, and use code LOCKEDONNFL for $20 off your first purchase. Last minute tickets. Lowest Price. Guaranteed.LinkedInLinkedIn Jobs helps you find the qualified candidates you want to talk to, faster. Post your job for free at LinkedIn.com/LOCKEDONNFL. Terms and conditions apply.FanDuelScore early this NFL season with FanDuel, America’s Number One Sportsbook! Right now, NEW customers get ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY DOLLARS in BONUS BETS with any winning FIVE DOLLAR MONEYLINE BET! That’s A HUNDRED AND FIFTY BUCKS – if your team wins! Visit FanDuel.com/LOCKEDON to get started.FANDUEL DISCLAIMER: 21+ in select states. First online real money wager only. Bonus issued as nonwithdrawable free bets that expires in 14 days. Restrictions apply. See terms at sportsbook.fanduel.com. Gambling Problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit FanDuel.com/RG(CO, IA, MD, MI, NJ, PA, IL, VA, WV), 1-800-NEXT-STEP or text NEXTSTEP to 53342 (AZ), 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org/chat(CT), 1-800-9-WITH-IT (IN), 1-800-522-4700 (WY, KS) or visit ksgamblinghelp.com (KS), 1-877-770-STOP (LA), 1-877-8-HOPENY or text HOPENY (467369) (NY), TN REDLINE 1-800-889-9789 (TN) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The New England Patriots continue to fall to new depths after their 10-7 loss to the New York Giants in their Week 12 matchup at MetLife Stadium. Stick around. You're about to be locked into this special edition postcast of the Locked On Patriots Podcast. You are Locked On Patriots, your daily New England Patriots podcast,

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you do it faster. Post your job for free at LinkedInin.com slash locked on NFL. That's linkedin.com slash locked on NFL to post your job for free. Terms and conditions apply. And Pats fans, the season of woes for your New England Patriots continued on a dreary Sunday afternoon in the Meadowlands. The Patriots defeated 10-7 by the New York Giants at MetLife Stadium. And here on today's special edition postcast, we're going to be getting into the ins and outs, the ups and downs of the Patriots' loss that puts them at 2-9 on the season. And of course, if you're viewing on YouTube, some video technical problems prevented us from coming live to you today.

Those will be fixed in time for our hashtag Monster Mad Monday episode with Thomas Murphy. So stay tuned for that. Those of you joining us audio, we thank you for all of your support. Always thank all of you everydayers for joining me here on these postcasts. And it's not easy being a Patriots fan right now folks again the Patriots having a chance to earn the victory in this game especially in the final minutes Patriots coach Bill Belichick expressing an understandable lack of faith in his quarterbacks and I'm going to get more into the quarterbacks in just a bit but even though they secured the first down at the Giants 22 yard line with about a minute to play in regulation, Patriots offense did not take a shot at the end zone.

Instead, they played for the tie. Bailey Zappi in at quarterback. Yeah, again, folks, we're going to get into all of this in just a little moment. But bottom line, unfortunately, this strategy would backfire. Rookie kicker Chad Ryland wide left on a 35-yard field goal attempt with three seconds left. Patriots had nowhere to go but down at that point. And your Patriots fall to 2-9 on the season. Folks, it's their worst start since rookie Drew Bledsoe began 1-10 in 1993.

Yeah, it's been a while since your New England Patriots have been this low on the totem pole in the NFL. But unfortunately, folks, that's the way it goes. It also assures the Patriots of their second straight losing season, their third in four years since the departure of Tom Brady. And I know all of you out there are wondering what's going to happen to the New England Patriots now. Is the Bill Belichick era over? Some of you are probably nodding your heads as I'm saying this. Yes, it's time to move on in all factors. Folks, the Patriots are clearly on to 2024 because 2023 is abysmal and it has been from start to finish. But there is a lot to unpack here with this loss, and it begins and lingers with the quarterback

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early Monday morning postcast. A little bit of a different departure and format here on Lockdown Patriots today, but I digress, folks. It absolutely is a difficult day here in New England. Patriots falling to two and nine on the season, staring another losing season directly in the face and a lot of you are looking for fingers to point places to blame where do the Patriots go from here well we heard all week long that Bill Belichick was telling his quarterbacks to get ready to go well apparently they were not ready to. Anyone who saw the product on the field on Sunday

knows that this team was not prepared to play properly. It was confusing. It was cryptic. It was the nature of the way the Patriots guarded that secret identity of their Week 12 starter, but they ultimately chose in favor of Mac Jones. And Mac Jones' date has started every game for the New England Patriots this season.

Andrew Callahan of the Boston Herald the first to break the news late Saturday night that Mac was going to get the nod and as Thomas Murphy and I talked about here on Friday this really should not have been a major surprise to anybody. After all multiple reports had indicated that Jones was the better practice performer throughout the week while he was competing with Bailey Zappi. His showing against the Giants though more of the abysmal same. Mack finishing the day 12 of 21 for 89 yards and two interceptions in the game's first half. Yeah folks that is not going to cut it especially with the two interceptions. It would be a surprise for me to see Mac Jones get another start here this quickly, including this Sunday's game against the Chargers.

We'll talk about that in a minute as well. But the two picks really were egregious, and I think it sums up exactly what the problems are right now with Mac Jones. His first pick, that's a pass that should have been a throwaway without any question about it. Mac was making a back-footed throw and a triple coverage that was easily cut and caught by cornerback Deontay Banks, who really was gift-wrapped an interception at that point. And again, I'm really not sure what Mac was thinking about here. You simply can't put a throw up like that, and you can't put one into play unless

you're absolutely sure the receiver can go up and get it and as much as i love demario douglas who was his intended target demario doesn't have the frame to win contested catch battles in triple coverage that's not what he does well he can do a lot of things but that's not one of them unfortunately and as a result Deontay Banks gets an easy INT his second meaning Mack's second interception that was his final throw of the afternoon and quite honestly folks it might even be his final throw as a Patriots starting quarterback it came while facing pressure Mack apparently saw the blitz coming he saw that he saw the chance that he might have he essentially saw that he might be taking a sack and because of that rather than take the sack Mac lofted a very weak floater into the waiting

hands of Bobby Okereke Giants linebacker who used to play for the Colts. Not only did the pick finish Mack this afternoon, but folks, as I say, it may have ultimately sealed his fate as the Patriots' starting quarterback. Now, you all know, as everydayers here on Locked On Patriots, I've been very reluctant to pull the plug on Mack Jones as the starting quarterback. But after I watched him today, it's really hard for me to make any sensible argument to keep him in there at this point Mac looks defeated and he's looked down on himself at times this year he's looked confused he's looked angry frustrated all of those he truly looked defeated today even more so than you saw him at Frankfurt Stadium on the field in Germany

a couple of weeks ago. I thought that might have been the pinnacle, but Mack looked even more defeated today. And you don't want to miss tomorrow's show, folks, because Murph and I are going to be talking about Mack and the reasons why we're seeing this product on the field week after week. But Mack is out there playing like he's expecting things to go wrong. It's almost as if he's expecting failure. When that happens as a quarterback, you not only lose confidence in yourself, but you also lost the confidence of all those around you. All of a sudden, the reports that you're hearing about him losing 80% of the locker room, not necessarily because they don't like Mac or they think he's a bad guy

or they have ill will toward him they just don't feel that he's got the confidence in himself to get the job done and you're not going to follow a guy like that you're not going to play hard for someone like that because they're not playing at their maximum capacity and they're not filling you with enough confidence to say, this is my team. I'm going to take you to the next level and we're going to get through this. I don't think the team sees that in Mac anymore because quite frankly, folks, the way Mac's playing, I don't think he sees that in himself any longer. He can say all the right things at the podium and Mac is, he's taking culpability for all

of the miscues that he has. He's being a professional throughout all this but unfortunately sometimes it's just so overt that a change needs to be made and i think we saw that on the field on sunday at metlife stadium so bottom line folks the chances dry up when you have these problems as a starting quarterback and even though we won't know for sure and it probably won't be until the end of this coming week i think max times the patriots starter was simply buried with a shovel this weekend and they may have even buried the shovel on sunday on the metlife stadium field in the meadowlands so with that being said now you turn

to bailey zappy will greer's been released he's not here any longer. Malik Cunningham is on the practice squad who knows what we're going to see from him this week maybe he'll get a shot but is Zappi the guy? Well in the second half of this game the Patriots went to Zappi in relief of Jones and Bailey actually began the second half by providing a much-needed spark. He led the Patriots on an 11-play, 60-yard drive that gave the Patriots the first touchdown of the afternoon. Now, in contrast to Mack, again, who really appears to anticipate eventual failure on each of his drives, Bailey Zappi actually seemed to execute the Patriots' game plan with a little more efficiency,

dare I say maybe with a little more confidence a little more poise unfortunately that type of success was short-lived he telegraphed a pass on an over route by Juju Schuster that was his intended target that was easily picked off by safety Xavier McKinney made a nice play on that and the Giants were back in business unfortunately it was more the same for the Patriots Bailey ultimately finished the day 9 of 14 for 54 yards and that interception the touchdown drive that he led was an 11 play 60 yard drive gave the Patriots their first touchdown and in a lot of ways you saw some signs of life from New England, especially when Ramondre Stevenson

ran it in from seven yards for the touchdown. But those interceptions and those turnovers continue to be backbreakers for this team. And even though Bailey got the chance to lead the team in the second half, I think it's still logical to question whether or not he did enough to earn the start in week 13 against the Chargers. I know I've been vocal about Mack not getting the start this weekend. I still think that's probably the logical move. You went to Bailey Zappi, you've got to try to start him and see what he can do right from the get-go. But if the Patriots don't see enough in practice,

wouldn't necessarily be all that shocking to have Mac Jones back in there as well. I know folks, it sounds manic. It sounds all over the place. That's where we are in the Patriots quarterback room right now. And it's hard to admit the Patriots just don't have a serviceable quarterback and it's having a ripple effect on this Patriots roster. Folks, things are not good in New England, but you know me, I want to end on a high note, and we're going to end on a high note because there were some slight silver linings from the Sunday afternoon. I'm going to talk about DeMario Douglas. I'm going to talk about no Dexter Lawrence. And I'm going to talk about the defense when this special edition postcast

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nothing but losses lately but you know me I like to end on a high note. And there were some silver linings on the field in New England, or I should say in the Meadowlands for New England on Sunday. Yeah, I know it's tough to find, but they are there. And even though there's been very little to smile about for the Pats this season, the play and the potential of rookie receiver Demario Douglas continues to

be a bright spot. Demario led all Patriots pass catchers with six catches for 49 yards on a day, let's face it folks, in which he received very little help from his quarterbacks. But Douglas's day took a potentially disastrous turn in the second half. And if you watch yesterday's game, you know exactly what I'm talking about. Attempting to return a punt early in the fourth quarter, he was essentially clotheslined by Giants linebacker Cam Brown. He landed hard on the turf. That caused him to immediately be removed from the game and evaluated for a head injury. Now, both Douglas and the Pats appear to have caught a break here. Once again, Andrew Callahan has been all over the news this week. Real tip of the cap to him. He's been phenomenal

in breaking some of the great news for the New England Patriots fans this week. He learned in a post-game conversation that he had with the rookie that he doesn't have a concussion and quote, he's doing okay. So a sigh of relief for the New England Patriots because if there is a bright spot on this offense it's to Mario Douglas and he's one that they can build on but the one thing that continues to bother me as I know it continues to bother all of you out there is that Brown wasn't even flagged he wasn't penalized for this hit that disturbed a lot of you out there but it wasn't just the fans that it disturbed it disturbed the players as well jabril peppers was not happy about this he spoke to reporters after

the game and he said quote unquote to me that is a joke you can say player safety and then not flag player like that yeah you could sense the frustration the sarcasm players were not happy about it and i agree this is something that the nfl has predicated itself on they talk all they really talk all about this they continue to tout the fact that they are concerned with player safety first and everything else secondary and then they don't bother to enforce these types of hits no one can explain to me why this wasn't a penalty there is not a good argument for it yeah absolutely uh they are very fortunate that demario was not more seriously hurt in this play thankfully he looks like he's going to be okay but don't be a bit surprised to see the

to see the patriots take a very cautious approach with him, especially leading into this game against the Chargers. So once again, tip of the cap and a nod to the gods to Demario Douglas, but he is someone that definitely showed his prowess when he was out there on the field. The Patriots also had another offensive bright spot on Sunday. I know it doesn't seem like it when the team only scores seven points, but you really need to give a lot of credit to Ramondre Stevenson and Ezekiel Elliott, because with the absence of Dexter Lawrence from the Giants defensive front, you knew that the Patriots

were going to try to take advantage of a Giants defense, which is letting up 135.1 points on average coming into this game, Patriots definitely took it to them, especially from Andre Stevenson. Dexter Lawrence is a huge void in that team's defense, in the New York Giants defense. What he does for them is so important, whether it's pass defense or whether it's run defense, but especially against the run, the Patriots were able to exploit his absence it's not easy to do when you actually have a guy that is graded 92.8 overall from pro football focus but his identity his ability to identify both the snap and the block routinely makes him a formidable force in this run defense again a 92.8 overall grade from pro football focus that's very impressive so you had to expect

that Bill O'Brien and this Patriots offense was going to try to take advantage of that and they were able to exploit the mismatch to a degree Ramondre Stevenson had a season high 98 yards rushing nine receiving yards that means he finished with 107 scrimmage yards, and that is worthy of praise, folks, because he's only the second Patriots player in history. I should say he becomes only the second Patriots player in the last 10 seasons to have three straight games of at least 100 yards from scrimmage. The only other player to do that, Sonny Michel did it in 2018. Yeah, folks, it's easy to forget how good sony

michelle was in his rookie season on his way to a super bowl title with the patriots that year yeah sony was running pretty good but remondre stevenson continues to dazzle he continues to get better week after week and really showing that he is a back that you can build around for a number of years to come. Also want to give a little love to Ezekiel Elliott, who continues to regularly demonstrate that prowess that made him an all-pro at the position in Dallas. Finished the day with 46 yards on nine carries, caught both of his targets for six yards, and despite their overall futility on offense, that Patriots pair of backs has kept them within striking distance on at least a handful of their single score losses. So good job for the New England Patriots.

Well done in terms of running the football. Unfortunately, they just couldn't find a signal caller or a quarterback or whatever you want to call it these days to be able to help them out and get them into the end zone regularly, or at least keep the ball out of the opposing team's hands. Again, folks, I digress. I know I'm a little harsh on the quarterbacks today, but it just was not an easy day to watch the Patriots on offense. But this defense continues to give Patriots fans a reason to be optimistic heading into next season. If you look at what they're able to do routinely, keeping teams in games and making sure that they're winning striking distance. Patriots have a handful of single score losses on their record. These games could go either way, and one of the big reasons why is because that defense has kept them in these games, and I think they're playing at a more than respectable level they've made their

they've made their share of mistakes there's no question about it but overall i think this team has been solid now the patriots sacked giants quarterback tommy devito six times on sunday i could say yeah you know what i'm gonna say they told him to go get his shine box on more than one occasion but giants ended up getting the last laugh so you know what the joke is on us, I guess folks, but I had to throw a good fellows reference in there. I digress. The six sacks came at the hands of some of the Patriots best defenders this season. And let's start with, I think the guy that's having the most impressive season out of any Patriots defender right now, and that's Jabril Peppers. In the first quarter, he takes DeVito down. That resulted in a loss of seven yards.

That was Jabril Peppers' first sack as a member of the Patriots. So the tip of the cap to him there, definitely a good feat and something that you know if a safety is getting involved and sacking the quarterback from that level, you know the Patriots defense is doing its job that was a good move for Jabril and I was glad to see him get his first sack as a New England Patriot another first sack as a Patriot the first solo sack of another one with a first this season the first solo sack of his season Anthony Jennings that was his first solo sack of the season in the third quarter. He brings down DeVito, who would later combine with defensive end Dietrich Wise Jr. on a fourth down sack.

And of course, defensive tackle Christian Barmore, who may be the Patriots' most complete defender right now, gets in on the sack party. Linebacker Juwan Bentley contributes one. And then, of course, one of the other firsts rookie defender keon white recording his first nfl sack his first as a member of the patriots dropping tommy devito back nine yards in the third quarter this patriots defense did everything they could to keep the patriots competitive unfortunately it was not there on the offensive side of the ball,

and when the Pats needed three points in the clutch moment, unfortunately, Chad Ryland could not deliver. Again, Ryland was very much like the quarterbacks. Give him a lot of credit for the culpability he took in the postgame. Didn't blame the snap, didn't blame the hold, didn't blame the crowd, the weather, anything. He completely blamed himself. He's a rookie, folks. He's going to have these moments. But I think it just completely and maybe, for lack of a better term, maybe appropriately sums up what the Patriots season has been thus far.

And once again, it's a 2-9 record with the Patriots now facing yet another losing season. What does it mean for the future of the quarterbacks? What does it mean for the future of Bill Belichick? What does it mean for the Patriots' plans now in the draft? Because, after all, that's all New England Patriots fans seem to have to look forward to these days, is draft positioning. Well, folks, we're going to talk about all this and more on tomorrow's episode of the Locked on Patriots podcast.

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