Locked On Patriots - Daily Podcast On The New England Patriots - New England Patriots: Trade for Jerry Jeudy? Damien Harris to Bills, Dont’a Hightower Retires

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Starting point is 00:01:21 That's fans, an action-packed show for you today. As you might have deduced from our opening we're going to talk about the latest rumors surrounding a potential Patriots trade of Jerry Judy of the Denver Broncos. Not a lot of talk about Jerry Judy here on the pod by admission but there were developments in this story and we are going to tackle those today. Also big news from Monday night Damian Harris off to Buffalo signing a deal with the Bills. And in an early crossover Tuesday here on Locked On, I was joined by my good friend Joe Marino, host of Locked On Bills. And we crossed the streams a little bit to talk about what Damian's

Starting point is 00:01:58 going to bring to Buffalo and what it means for the Patriots. And lastly, Tuesday morning, saw the end of an era as Dante Hightower officially announcing his retirement from the NFL after 10 great seasons. We're going to take the show home today as we reflect on a great career for Dante here in New England. So stick around, lots to talk about, and we definitely hope you love what we have in store for you here today on Locked On Patriots. But we start in Denver. And Broncos reporter Benjamin Albright of Denver-based KOAFM

Starting point is 00:02:31 expounding on his initial report from the offense last weekend. And he was reporting that the Broncos wanted at least one first-round pick or a second-round pick and an established NFL player in return for Jerry Judy. Depending on Benjamin's reports, we saw that the fact that the Cleveland Browns right now, I don't want to say the front runner, but they're close to it. They restructured Deshaun Watson's contract. That allows them to have serious interest here. But the Patriots have looked into this. They have looked into trading for Jerry Judy. Albright reporting that Denver's price tag has been too steep for New England at this point. Now, we all know that the Patriots are going to be in on receivers.

Starting point is 00:03:12 They're in on receivers right now. We've discussed the DeAndre Hopkins rumors here on Locked On Patriots. The Pats are still rumored to be in the mix there, folks, in what's being called a soft market. Talks are expected to ramp up there in a couple of days so we should get some closure on deandre hopkins some are saying the patriots may still be in on odell beckham jr don't have to give up anything but money at that point but odell services are not going to come cheap patriots are definitely going to have to pony up on their offer contractually. But when it comes to someone like Jerry Judy, the youth and the ability, dynamic player,

Starting point is 00:03:51 it doesn't surprise you that the New England Patriots would be in on him. And it also doesn't hurt that he's Mac Jones's former teammate from Alabama. So there's a lot of familiarity and there's definitely prowess there in his time in Denver come to a very good career don't question about it 157 catches 2295 yards receiving a 14.6 yards per reception average nine touchdowns but the Broncos don't want to seem to reach the inevitable point that they want to pay Jerry Judy big money. And that's why he's been involved in trade rumors dating back to the 2022 trade deadline. So from their perspective, they're basically going to wait for their price and they're going to wait for it and

Starting point is 00:04:37 they're going to get it. But the trade for Russell Wilson means their cupboard right now is bare. They need to recoup some of what they lost in draft capital. They have six picks total in 2023, but none in the first, none in the second. So when you look at the cupboard being bare now, Patriots and other teams can kind of maybe squeeze a little bit in terms of Denver and say, okay, well, you know what? You want a first rounder? You want a second rounder? Let's talk, let's work out a happy medium here. And

Starting point is 00:05:09 the Patriots right now could have this deal done, or at least according to Ben's report, if they're willing to part with a second rounder or a first rounder. So why don't the Patriots just give up the pick and get the deal done? Well, for the same reason it always is. The Patriots want to get a solid return on investment. That's what this is all about. It's not about them being cheap. It's not because they don't have faith in Mac Jones. Saw that suggestion earlier today on social media.

Starting point is 00:05:36 I don't buy that for one second, folks. Again, everyone entitled to their opinion. Just I don't find a whole lot of merit in it. But if they want fair value in return the patriots are being the smart team right now yes they signed juju smith schuster that in the eyes of some lessens new england's intensity but juju is here to replace jacoby myers even if you think that the patriots have upgraded with juju to from juuju to Jacoby, conventional logic still says that the Patriots are going to add another wide receiver. What needs to be measured here is whether or not

Starting point is 00:06:12 pursuing Jerry Judy is going to intensify beyond these talks right now, because what the Patriots need to do is determine whether or not Jerry Judy is as good or better, really, if you're thinking about it, better than the return that they can get in either round one at 14 or round two at 46. I don't think Jerry Judy's proven yet that he's going to be a slam dunk better receiver than what the Patriots could get at number 14. He's probably better than what they'll be able to get at round two and number 46, but that's where the Patriots right now are having their difficulties in determining whether or not to stay in this race for him. Whether it's DeHop or whether it's Jerry Dewey, folks, or whether it's another wide out joining the Patriots, they will always opt for solid return on investment. If the

Starting point is 00:07:01 Patriots feel that Cleveland is going to eclipse their asking price, or if they're not going to recoup the same deal in return, then they're probably out on the Jerry Judy sweepstakes. And Ben's report, honestly, folks, if I'm being truthful in terms of my take on this, I think it takes them out of the mix here. That being said, it's still possible. And if he does end up in England, I i will take my maya copa pill at that point but right now i just don't see this progressing beyond the talks that already have happened but whether or not these guys end up in new england their offense is going to be on without the services of damian harris who trades foxborough for western new y York after four years with the Pats in an effort to keep

Starting point is 00:07:45 the cross the streams team alive folks Joe Marino will join me here on Locked On Patriots in just a moment and we're going to transform this into a Locked On Bills Locked On Patriots crossover as we discuss Damian making the switch to the Pats biggest A East rival. Joe and I talk Damian Harris and the Buffalo Bills when this episode of the Locked On Patriots podcast continues. But first, folks, the tournament is heating up and now is the perfect time to download FanDuel, America's number one sportsbook, because new customers get a no-sweat first bet up to $1,000.

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Starting point is 00:09:10 And of course, Mike has plenty of expertise on new bills, running back, former Patriot, Damian Harris. So Mike, thanks for giving us some of your time here today and looking forward to getting your thoughts.

Starting point is 00:09:21 Oh, absolutely. Joe, always an honor and always a privilege for me to join the lockdown bills podcast. And if I can be of any assistance in lending some wisdom and counsel on Damian Harris, all for it. Well, let's do that. Take us back to 2019 with the Patriots made Damian Harris the 87th pick in the draft. That's a third rounder. What were those expectations for him entering the team? And I know that we're looking at this through the lens of Patriots and running backs.

Starting point is 00:09:45 We know that it's typically a committee. So how did he fit in and what were kind of the expectations? Yeah, I think there was a little bit of surprise initially when Damian was chosen with that type of draft capital. Look, there's no denying the talent. His time in Alabama proved that he was going to be a top flight pro or at least someone that could have an opportunity to compete to be a top flight pro but I was in the Patriots media room when they drafted him in 2019 and I can tell you

Starting point is 00:10:09 it was a little surprising the Patriots already had on staff at that time Sonny Michelle James White Rex Burkhead James Devlin was the fullback out of the backfield Jakob Johnson was even on the team and Brandon Bolden in the running back room. So a lot of people were wondering what are the Patriots doing here bringing in this kid when they already have a stacked room. But it was undeniable when he hit the practice field and you started to see what he was capable of. The Patriots clearly had a beat on him. Started off slow in New England as running backs typically do. Bill Belichick typically red shirts these guys, gives them the opportunity to learn the offense. And then once they guys gives them the opportunity to learn the offense um and then once they do they're able to take the ball and run with it literally that's

Starting point is 00:10:50 exactly what damian harris did mike that sounds like a warning about pierre strong next year is he had his run red shirt year he's ready to take off i'd be interesting to watch him but let's keep it on damian harris don't let me sidetrack like that you reminded me of some names there in 2019 that I forgot were all in that room which makes it even more surprising that they made him the pick there and of course his entire rookie season he's basically a healthy scratch it makes sense why but then the production really ramps up in 2020 and that is best season in 2021 thousand yards from scrimmage a good amount of receiving production, 15 rushing touchdowns. What led to that spike, kind of that ascension from healthy scratch as a rookie

Starting point is 00:11:30 to a really solid season in 2021? Yeah, I think it's as simple as opportunity, Joe. I think the Patriots finally gave him the opportunity to run with the ball. Sonny Michel obviously was on the trading block. That wasn't working out in a situation that the Patriots wanted to continue on with that relationship. And that really is no disrespect to Sonny at all. I mean, there was a good, solid running core there with him. But New England Patriots running backs often have a very short shelf life, and that's exactly what happened.

Starting point is 00:11:59 It was Damien's time to prove that he could get the job done on the field, not only doing it on the ground, rushing for 959 yards and 211 carries, also caught 19 passes for 139 yards that year as well. So he enjoyed success on both sides of the coin offensively and proved that he could be a dual threat when you needed him to be. Unquestionably, he was the top running back in the Patriots' room in that season. Well, you mentioned unquestionably the top running back in the Patriots' room in that season. Well, you mentioned unquestionably the top running back in the Patriots' room in 2021, but not last year. 2022 is all about this guy, Ramondre Stevenson.

Starting point is 00:12:32 Looks like a real stud for the New England Patriots. And so kind of curious what your thoughts are there in terms of Stevenson kind of taking command of that backfield in 2022 after Harris is coming off the season that he had in 2021. I know there were some injuries along the way, but were you surprised to see such a sudden shift or is this just the dynamics like you talked about of the running back position in New England? I think it's a little bit of both to be honest with you. I was a little bit surprised to see Ramondre take that step this quickly after a rookie season that showed some promise, but coming in and actually

Starting point is 00:13:05 being able to put that on the field and really put it into play was huge for him and he carried the ball extremely well 1040 yards five touchdowns averaging five yards per carry catching 69 passes for 421 yards so this guy was doing it all he was essentially their only option for a while there at the running back position but again it comes down to availability and opportunity and remandre stevenson had both in 2022 and that's why you saw a little bit of a statistical dip for damian harris in the final year of his rookie deal hamstring thigh injuries definitely a question that lessened his productivity but when he's on the field he still proved that there is a lot to like between the tackles there's a lot to like in a straight

Starting point is 00:13:49 forward runner and in a pinch a backfield receiver and Damian Harris this guy's still got a lot left in the tank Mike I um I know the Patriots are pretty choosy with who they pay right and so I I want to ask you this like why don't you think damian harris was in the cards we don't know the full deal yet for the bills just a one-year contract i imagine it's not too expensive but was it about just the patriots and their team building dynamics that they cling to or is this all right this is romandre stevenson's backfield we have some other young guys that it's time for them to get the opportunity, and we're comfortable with Harris moving on. Like, what are your thoughts on why he wasn't retained?

Starting point is 00:14:28 Yeah, I think in a lot of ways it's going to be the question of the underlying question of the offseason for the New England Patriots. Obviously, everybody's focusing on all the other moves that the Pats are making. Looking at the running back room as being stacked. But when you look at what this team actually still has on the roster, they've got Ramondre at the top of the list. This is his backfield. You're right on that.

Starting point is 00:14:50 But you mentioned Pierre Strong earlier. Also Kevin Harris. They also have the dynamic of now adding a veteran like James Robinson into the mix who has been prolific in his opportunities that he's been given. Hasn't quite been the same player since the injury that he had a couple of years ago in Jacksonville obviously just not a good fit in uh New York they're looking maybe to see if he can come in and add a little bit more reception out of the backfield I think to kind of shore up that team but I think they look at what they have in Ramondre and then the combination of speed and straightforward toughness that they get in Pierre Strong and Kevin Harris and realize that one of these guys is going to be up pretty soon for, you know, a rookie deal.

Starting point is 00:15:32 I think New England just looks at the dynamic and they believe that Damian probably was able to go and chase a deal that the Patriots weren't willing to give at this point. I don't think it was dissatisfaction with the player. I just think it was giving him an opportunity to go into shine and get a little bit more than the Patriots were able to offer this time around. Mike, I probably should have asked this a lot sooner in our conversation, but like, can you break down the skillset for us? I know we've seen a good amount of Damian Harris and he's had some good games against the bills. Uh, we're, we're all fully aware of those. So, um, from your experience, you've watched more Damian Harris than me for sure. What are his strengths? What are his weaknesses, uh, from your time watching him with the Patriots? Well, his strength,

Starting point is 00:16:15 obviously I think his best strength is his tenacity. This is a kid that does not quit on a run and does not quit on a play. He'll give you everything that he has. And there are times where I've seen Damian apparently stop Cole dead right at the line of scrimmage or behind it and still is able to grid out and grind out and get some yardage because this kid just does not give up. So if there is a real trait that I think Buffalo Bills fans are going to love about this kid

Starting point is 00:16:41 is that he will give you everything he's got on every down if josh allen is looking to hand the ball off to damian harris you can bet that he's going to give you everything he can to get yardage he's a very good uh you know straightforward runner i think you'll see him get a lot of carries on early downs i also believe that in a pinch he can be a guy that can receive out of the backfield and be a third down threat if the bills are looking for similar production that they got out of devon singletary when it comes to receiving out of the backfield that's not damian harris's game i mean that's that's something he can do but it's not his focal point this is a good between the tackles runner that will give you an

Starting point is 00:17:19 opportunity and he can hit holes as well as anyone i've covered during my tenure here in New England. In terms of weaknesses, Joe, Bill's fans are going to be happy to hear me say this. Not a whole lot of logistical weakness in Damian Harris' game. He pretty much does everything pretty well or adequately at the very worst when it comes to what he can do on a football field. It's just going to be whether the injuries that he's suffered the last couple of years continue to take their toll. If he's available, he does have the ability to be a solid number one option in this offense. Mike, the Bills running back before Damian Harris was part of the mix

Starting point is 00:17:56 was James Cook, Naheem Hines. Two shiftier backs, a lot of receiving ability, speed, but what was missing was the downhill presence, somebody that can win in short yardage, somebody that can win in pass protection. In so many ways, it feels like Damian Harris checks that box for Buffalo, but given your familiarity with Damian Harris, and of course your familiarity with the Buffalo Bills,

Starting point is 00:18:17 they're in the division, you see them a ton, we talk about them a ton, your quick general thoughts on projecting him to Buffalo? Projecting him to Buffalo, I think he definitely has the opportunity to be the feature back in this offense, and that's saying a lot when you're looking at a passing game that's as prolific as what the Bills bring to the table. To have a complementary running game only makes them even more lethal, so I think Damian Harris definitely provides upside. No disrespect to Devin Singletary, who I thought was a good fit here, but I think you're getting a much better early down runner and someone that can give you a few yards right off the bat,

Starting point is 00:18:52 taking pressure off Josh Allen, maybe even allowing him to not have to extend as many plays with his legs. As dynamic and as great as he is at it, and I know Bills fans love watching him do it, the years definitely catch up with you no matter what josh is still a very young quarterback but you're going to absolutely need to watch that in future years and you've got a running back now that can take some of the pressure off so that's where i project with him if the bills decide that they wanted to add another running back maybe for

Starting point is 00:19:19 a little more prowess on third down a veteran wouldn't surprise me and i think it probably would be a good move for them but this kid definitely can carry the load and if the bills go into 2023 with damian harris penciled in as their feature i think they're doing something pretty good here this was a very good signing for the bills i loved covering damian and his energy joe and that's another thing that i want to bring to uh bills fans he is one of the most energetic and one of the most positive guys in that locker room. Patriots fans loved him. His teammates loved him here. You can definitely bet he's going to bring that infectious attitude with him to Buffalo

Starting point is 00:19:55 and to Western New York. Well, sounds like a good fit for, in so many ways, exactly what the Bills needed in their backfield. But Mike, I want to say this. Don't get it twisted. We hold our breath every time Josh Allen takes a hit hit and we say get up josh all right so so we're we're keenly aware of uh of how that goes as well here on the bill side of things mike i appreciate you giving us some of your time and sharing your expertise on your time covering damian harris

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Starting point is 00:21:45 coverage and also for your patronage to the Locked On Podcast Network, your team every day and folks for 10 seasons. Veteran linebacker Dante Hightower was a mainstay here for the New England Patriots, selected by his teammates as a four-time team captain, long cementing his place among New England's defensive greats. And in fact, when Bill Belichick was asked about Dante Hightower last season during a press conference that I had the privilege of sitting in on, Bill Belichick definitely made it clear that it was not going to be easy to fill the cleats of Dante Hightower, saying, quote, it's a stretch to compare almost anybody to hightower

Starting point is 00:22:26 you're talking about one of the best linebackers that's ever played here even though dante spent the 2022 season away from the football field he made his retirement official on tuesday having penned a heartfelt farewell story in the players tribune to formally announce his decision and i'm quoting directly from the piece that Dante wrote on Tuesday morning quote today I am officially retiring from the NFL I know these announcements always feel bittersweet but I can't think of a better story than the one I wrote in New England a decade three Super Bowls two Pro Bowls and the birth of my son all playing for one franchise how many guys can have a story like that?

Starting point is 00:23:05 Well, not many. I can tell you from covering the New England Patriots for the past few years, Dante is truly one of the great guys you will ever meet. Truly the same guy that you meet in the locker room, on the field, and away from the field. And just one of the more stand-up, hard-working players that New England is definitely going to miss. They missed him in 2022.

Starting point is 00:23:25 They'll continue to miss him, but it's nice knowing that he rides off into the sunset forever a Patriot. And look, he was an essential part of the Patriots defense ever since he was drafted in 2012. First round selection, 25 overall, University of Alabama, a lot of pedigree coming in on Dante, but he lived up to it. And then some wasn't only a great linebacker here in New England but he was also a director of the action on the field one of the

Starting point is 00:23:50 smartest players ever coached by Bill Belichick and he alongside Devin McCourty who is another guy that Bill Belichick has consistently said is one of the smartest guys he ever coached he was one of the most respected leaders in the Patriots locker room. When there was a problem, when there was an issue, Conte was always there to lend his wisdom and counsel and to really keep things in line. During his tenure in New England, he definitely was not deprived of accolades. He earned a second team All-Pro selection in 2016, two Pro Bowl nods in 2016 and 2019, and selections on both the New England Patriots All-2010s team and also on the franchise's All-Dynasty team.

Starting point is 00:24:33 But for all of his numerous on-field accomplishments in the regular season, and there are a good number, let's face it, Dante's legend really was cultivated by what he did in the postseason. He was a playoff god, and there is no way to sugarcoat that or lessen it. Really an integral role on every single one of the Patriots' three Super Bowl teams during the 2010s. Arguably his famous moment coming on the late second half, strip sack of Atlanta Falcons quarterback Matt Ryan uh really I think sparking that improbable 34 to 28 comeback in Super Bowl 51 but make no mistake about it something I don't think Dante

Starting point is 00:25:13 gets enough credit for because of the magnitude of that moment his tackle of Marshawn Lynch at the one yard line in Super Bowl 49 makes Malcolm Butler's interception possible. He just had a gift for coming through in big moments, and there will never be another like Dante Hightower. I'm going to miss watching him play on the field because it was always electric every time 54 lined up opposite any kind of an offense. He was always ready to defend it. And, you know, he walks away with his head held high

Starting point is 00:25:44 because even though he took a one-year hiatus in 2020 because of a COVID-19 opt-out, he returned as a team leader, a solid presence in the middle of New England's defense in 2021. He appeared in 16 of 18 games, saw the field for 59.8% of the Patriots' defensive snaps. Despite some struggles throughout the season, wasn't a perfect final season in New England for Dante but he did show that he was still capable of being an effective player finished the season with 64 tackles one and a half sacks and primarily playing on early downs defending against the run that's where he was really at his best he could defend the pass as well don't let anyone tell you any different. In total,

Starting point is 00:26:25 Dante Hightower will ride off into the sunset now, having played in a combined 134 regular season and playoff games, 650 combined tackles, 30 sacks, six fumble recoveries, and two interceptions. But to me, the thing that I'll always remember about Dante Hightower is the indelible mark he leaves not only on the professional franchise, the only professional franchise that he's ever played or will ever play for, but the spot that will certainly be waiting for him in the Patriots Hall of Fame in due time. A tip of the cap to Dante Hightower for a great career. You have definitely earned all of the accolades you received, Dante. You've earned the right to enjoy your time in retirement,

Starting point is 00:27:07 and it's been an honor and a privilege covering you here at Locked On Patriots as a member of Sports Illustrated and as a member of the Patriots media contingent. So New England will definitely miss Dante Hightower. They didn't have him in 2022, but there was always that specter that he might show up and provide a little lift to the Patriots defense.

Starting point is 00:27:27 But now we know he is officially retired and the Patriots core moves on. And we will continue to move on here on Locked On Patriots because there is plenty to talk about still on the field for your New England Patriots folks. So please be sure to continue to download, subscribe to follow Locked On Patriots wherever you listen to audio podcasts as well as on YouTube. And if you've made us your first listen today, please make your second listen. Our good friends over at Locked On NFL Scouting with the Draft Dudes. You saw Joe Marino a little bit earlier today on this podcast. Well, you can catch him an awful lot alongside another good friend of the program, Locked host kyle krebs these two guys are at the top of their game they're at

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