Locked On Patriots - Daily Podcast On The New England Patriots - Newbie Tuesday: Patriots 2020 Draftee Depth Chart - 6/2/2020

Episode Date: June 2, 2020

A strong NFL draft class is a key component of quality roster depth. The New England Patriots know this well. Joining host Mike D’Abate is Robert Marcello of Full Press Coverage to discuss the Patriots’ 2020 NFL Draft haul and which members of the rookie class might be immediate contributors to the team’s plans in the upcoming season. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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your feedback, always welcomed, greatly appreciated. And you can feel free to share that feedback anytime by reaching out to me and following me on Twitter at MDABATEFPC. And while you're out there roaming around through the Twitterverse, please be sure to follow the Locked On Patriots podcast account as well at L-O underscore Patriots. Patriots fans, it is Tuesday, June 2nd, 2020, day two of week two into the deep dive into the Patriots potential 2020 roster, specifically taking a look at the Patriots positional depth charts.

And let's face it, when a team is building a roster for an upcoming NFL season, a big part of that is retaining your homegrown talent, bringing in some free agents, but the biggest part of it is the NFL draft. And here on the pod, we have discussed the draft an awful lot, but one thing we haven't really touched on is how the newest Patriots, these draftees, will fit into the positional depth charts, not only in the future, but in this upcoming season. Well, today we're going to do just that. We're going to take a look at the Patriots' 2020 draft haul. Ten players in total.

Five players dedicated to offense, four to defense, one to special teams, and that was kicker Justin Rohrwasser. And look, the Patriots used draft picks on all ten of these guys. In a perfect world, they would love to put all of them on their roster, but it doesn't quite work that way. You know that, and I know that. So under those circumstances, which of these selections not only has the best chance of making this roster, but also has a chance of cracking the positional depth chart and being

a significant contributor in 2020? And to help me break that all down is my good friend and Full Press Coverage's own Robert Marcello. You may recall that shortly before the draft, Robert joined me here to provide his thoughts on exactly what the Patriots would do in the draft. Well, just like all of us, he had some surprises, some disappointments, but for the most part, he was impressed by what the Patriots did. But how impressed should we be with these draft picks? And can we realistically expect any of them to be big-time contributors right off the bat? Well, I will ask Robert to provide his wisdom and counsel on that subject in just one moment. But first, the term do-it-yourself has really taken on a whole new meaning lately, folks, especially in the times in which we currently live,

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You can also find his great work on platforms such as NSN Sports.net, Dean College Athletics, and of course the play-by-play and color commentary of the Brockton Rocks when they're in session. As well as the Hyannis Harbor Hawks of the Cape Cod Baseball League as well. My friend and colleague Robert Marcello joins me today. Robert, thank you so much for joining me, and welcome back to the Locked On Patriots podcast. Thank you. Excited to be back. And I'm delighted to have you back, my friend.

You always provide excellent, spot-on analysis when it comes to the NFL draft, and today's conversation is one that I've been looking forward to. And Robert, the NFL draft is long since in the books, and the Patriots overall draft class has been praised by some, but it's been criticized by some as well. I think the one thing that we can agree on is that the Patriots always make the moves with an eye on the future. And we'll get to that future in a moment, folks. But Robert, when you first look at the Patriots 2020 draft hall, all 10 picks, what were your impressions of this draft class overall? And was your reaction more positive or more negative, especially when you look at the Patriots needs heading into the draft? Well, I first was surprised with not getting a wide receiver in the draft.

I thought that was a need that the Patriots were missing last year, and they did not address it. But what they did, though, is they signed two free agent wide receivers in the offseason to kind of nullify that option in the draft. As we saw last year, we drafted Nikhil Harry in the first round, and some people think it didn't work out. I personally think that he's going to have a much better year this year. Now he's going to be fully healthy. And I felt like the Patriots really wanted to go defense in this draft primarily. They traded back in the first round and they got a Division 2 cornerback slash safety. Very fast,

very physical. Small in size, but he can play with the big receivers too. So that's good. They got the kicker situation figured out. I know last season it was four or five kickers that were coming in every single two or three weeks. So hopefully that situation can stay itself the whole entire year without anyone getting hurt.

The offensive line got some boosts. The tight end position was really, really a concern last year. Matt Lacoste was kind of in and out. You saw Ryan Izzo get hurt. Ben Watson was suspended the first four games. So I'm glad that they were able to figure that situation out. So overall, I think the Patriots had an okay draft. I'm still a little surprised that they didn't get a receiver or two. They didn't get a quarterback in the draft, but they got two undrafted free agents. So overall, I thought

the Patriots did a nice job. I think that's a pretty good assessment. And look, when you consider the Patriots' needs heading into the 2020 NFL Draft, you can make the argument that two of their top areas, meaning the quarterback position and the wide receiver position, are two areas that they didn't address in the draft. Now, I know you mentioned that they did bring in a couple of undrafted free agents in both areas, at the wide receiver position, Will Hastings out of Auburn, Jeff Thomas out of Miami. I look for those two guys to compete for a roster spot. When it comes to the quarterback position, I think it's either going to be Jamar Smith or

Brian Lewerke. My personal vote, I go with Smith. I think his athleticism, his explosiveness, and the different dimension he brings to the table sets him up to be a pretty good addition to that quarterback depth chart. That being said, this was a deep wide receiver class, like you said. And yeah, I'm a little surprised that they didn't dip into that. But ultimately, I think the Patriots 2020 draft class is going to be remembered as one of those where the Patriots look for depth and strength at certain positions, mostly on the defensive side, like you said, but also on the offensive line. And I think we'll probably get to that in the second segment. But your point on drafting positions of need leads me quite nicely into my next question for you today, bud. And Kyle Duggar,

I think, is a pick that angered some of the fan base at first, but most people have come to appreciate the versatility and the value that he brings to New England, and I think most people have come around with taking him at number 37. They agree it was probably good value, maybe a little bit too high, but at the end of the day, I think most people believe that Kyle Duggar is going to be a solid player in this defense and that that pick will yield a significant return. But some are still contesting that the team used poor judgment in taking players too early, particularly the tight ends, Devin Asiasi out of UCLA and Dalton Keene out of Virginia Tech. I know there are still a lot of people that are angered over the Justin Rohrwasser pick,

but let's face it, when you don't have a kicker on staff, that's a position of immediate need. Now, I've been a big proponent here on Locked On Patriots for quite some time about the Patriots' philosophy where they identify a player, they draw a bead on him, and then they take him in the draft. Now, for the most part, that's worked, provided that an argument can be made that his value, meaning the player that they took's value, which means it's either at or close enough to market value where they feel they've made a smart pick. Robert, in your analysis, do you believe that the Patriots reach beyond sound judgment to select any of these players, particularly the tight ends, which I still

hear a lot of feedback from people that they took these guys too early? I think they could have. I think that there was other tight ends available. I was really disappointed that the Patriots didn't draft Thaddeus Moss. I feel like he was a perfect Patriot. Of course, he didn't even get drafted in the regular draft. He got picked up, I believe, by the Washington Redskins. So maybe that was a smart choice. But I think the tight end position was such a need in in the fan base and I think the

team and in particular Tom Brady was was disappointed in the the lack of tight end depth because you know you had Rob Gronkowski for almost 10 years and he provided so much depth and when he was out there he was arguably the best tight end in football and they didn't have that last year. Julian Edelman was playing outside the numbers where he's an inside-the-numbers guy on the slot, and it was difficult for them to get any type of rhythm. And now having two tight ends, I think, gives them a little bit more of an option.

And you still have Matt Lacoste, and I still believe you have Ryan Nizzo, but they're going to have to make some tough cuts come September. Yeah, without question. And again, the more footage I watch on guys like Devin Asiasi or Dalton Keene, I become more of a fan of their game. Asiasi, obviously, is a great route runner, and I think that was one of the things that endeared him most to Bill Belichick

and especially Josh McDaniels, who's going to be working very closely with these guys. Dalton Keene is so versatile. He's able to spread out. He can get some speed. He's got some quickness to be able to accelerate and make catches down the field. But he's also the type of guy that can line up in that H-back type of tight end position. He can also play fullback a little bit, too. He did all these at Virginia Tech.

So Asiasi wasn't so much of a surprise for me. Keene was, especially considering guys like Thaddeus Moss or even Adam Trotman out of Dayton were still on the board when these guys were selected. But I think ultimately the Patriots saw a fit in the way they want to run the offense this year. And ultimately, we'll see if their assessment was correct with these guys. But I think they can be big time contributors, and I think they can actually do a fairly good job this year when trying to beef up this offense. I absolutely agree with you, Mike. I personally think that Keene is a little like James Devlin a little bit. Devlin played some tight end. He was on the tight end depth chart at some point. I like Keane. The guy from UCLA, I like too.

I personally like both of them. I think there was a lot of questions with Adam Trotman playing the Division I, AAA level. Can he play with the best of the NFL playing at Dayton? They're not playing Premier Division I programs.

I think it was a chance that some teams could take, and I don't think the Patriots could take a chance like that with the lack of tight end depth they had last year. That's a really good point. I'm glad that you made that. And actually a point that I haven't made all that often here on Locked On Patriots is the level of competition these guys play for. Look, I fell in love with Trotman at the Senior Bowl and at the Combine and seeing what he could do and looking at him as that prototypical type of tight end

that could come in and be a Gronkowski type, not someone that would equal Rob, because let's face it, Robert, no one is going to equal Rob Gronkowski. He's a once-in-a-lifetime talent, and the Patriots were fortunate to have him all those years. Still bothers me that he's going to be down in Tampa Bay this year. But, you know, well, that's a conversation for another day, my friend. We'll live playing in 2020 in the NFL. And Asiasi, coming from a big-time school in UCLA, may have a leg up on the competition. So excellent point, and I'm so glad that you made that. Awesome draft insight, as always. And that's why we love having you on here on Locked On, Patriots.

But as I said earlier, my friend, the future is usually now in Foxborough. And this draft class is going to have to assimilate into the Patriots' current roster. In just a moment, Positional Depth Chart Week will continue here on the pod, and I will ask Robert Marcello about his prognosis for those recent draftees and who has the best chance of being a regular in the rotation when the Locked On Patriots podcast continues. But first, folks, finding the energy to complete daily tasks lately continues to be a challenge. What also continues to be a challenge is finding that healthy, low-calorie treat that is just as delicious. Well, folks, your search for a protein bar that gives you everything you need and everything you want is over.

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And Robert, for the past few days here on Locked On Patriots, I've been analyzing the Patriots 2020 depth chart, and I've had some help with some great guests, yourself included in that, bud. But at this point, trying to project the Patriots 2020 depth chart at all these positions is pure speculation. No one really knows for sure. The final rosters haven't been set, and we don't even really have a good idea as to what these teams are going to look like. But when a team invests draft capital, they're usually investing that draft capital in order to make these guys a part of their roster. And I

think the Patriots approached the 2020 draft doing just that. Look, they had a lot of picks, and many people, myself included, believed that they'd trade more than they would actually use, but they ended up making 10 selections. Believe it or not, five of them were on offense. The tight ends, Asi, Asi, and Keene, which we discussed a little bit in the previous segment, but there were three offensive linemen. Michael Onwenu at the guard position out of Michigan, Justin Heron at the guard position out of Wake Forest, and then, of course, Dustin Wood at the center out of Memphis. And now, again, in an ideal world, I think the Patriots would like to put all these guys on their active roster. But a lot of their offensive picks, particularly the offensive linemen,

they face a lot of stiff competition for the roster this year. Robert, in your estimation, who among these offensive draftees has the best chance at not only being a contributor, but also a regular in the depth chart right away when the 2020 season kicks off i'd probably say dalton keen um he can play both tight end and he can play fullback um i know the pitchers already have a fullback but let's say that he goes down via injury keen can step right in i know last year they had a landon roberts out there they sometimes you you Brandon Bolden as a fullback

sometimes Dalton Keene I think they specifically drafted him for that reason in case if their fullback does go down he can play both tight end and fullback so I think that Keene more than likely will be the guy that plays more than Asiassi. That's a very good point on. And look, I think it's one that's gaining more momentum as time goes on. There's no question about it. Dalton Keene is a versatile tight end. He can line up in line. He can line up in the slot. He can line up in the backfield.

He's capable of playing the H-back tight end role, capable of playing a little bit of fullback, like we said, and also capable of playing that traditional tight end. The one thing that could limit his playing time a little bit is he's not a big play threat, and at this point, Asiasi looks to be the better option for the big play. He's got that blend, that size, that speed, that length, good athleticism, and he does have a lot of upside as a route runner, and because of that, I think he'll probably be the more aesthetically pleasing of the two,

and he might indeed end up with higher numbers. But as far as on-field presence and a regular spot in the rotation of the depth chart, I think you're onto something with Keane. I like the way he plays the game, and I, for one, am really excited to see what he can bring to the position. I did want to move on from this question without mentioning the Day 3 selections, Michael Onwenu, Justin Heron, and Dustin Woodard. Of the three, I think Onwenu definitely has the most talent. He's massive. He's got great length, overwhelms defenders in the run game. I keep saying over and over again, it's going to be a rare, if ever, occurrence that a pass rusher or a defensive lineman is able to get around him. He's simply just so big he's able to contain these guys,

and he makes it look effortless. He's going to have some stiff competition at the guard position, especially if the Patriots retain Joe Tooney. They've got Shaq Mason on the other side. There is some additional depth on the offensive line at the position, so I think he has the best shot to make the roster, but in terms of being an actual rotation guy, he may not see as much of the field as we think. The guy that really intrigues me right now is their last pick, Dustin Woodard, the center out of Memphis. And look, that's not because I believe that Dustin Woodard is a draft steal or even a diamond in the rough at the late stage that they picked him up in the seventh round.

I still have my concerns about the health of David Andrews, and it pains me every time I say this. I've received some feedback from people, listeners, that believe that I'm being a little bit hard on David and that I'm making too much out of his injury. Folks, he had blood clots in the lungs. You don't know how that's going to react. He can be given a clean bill of health and those issues could pop back up again.

I sincerely hope it doesn't. Nobody likes David or respects David more than I do. But the fact of the matter is, is that if he goes down, you don't have Ted Karras in that backup role anymore. The Patriots didn't address the center possession earlier on in the draft. So Woodard, to me, has probably the best chance to see some sort of extended time on the field. Of course, that's all dependent on David Andrews' health.

If Andrews is completely healthy, this is a non-issue. But I don't think the Patriots can realistically take that chance into the season unless they're cultivating someone on that offensive line right now to be the backup center. I think Dustin Woodard has a really good chance to make this roster because I think the Patriots are going to absolutely need the depth at that position. Even if there are more talented guys on the other side, either side of the ball, they may need to secure a spot for Woodard simply because of that. And to be honest, that concerns me a little bit.

But moving on to my final question for you today, Robert, they say defense wins championships. And you mentioned earlier that you believe the Patriots approached this draft with a defensive objective. And I wholeheartedly agree with that. Now, they do have some defensive prowess in these 2020 draftees. Kyle Duggar obviously has high expectations. We've talked about Kyle. I believe he's going to live up to them but the Pats also bolstered their pass rush and their run defense with Josh Uche out of Michigan Anthony Jennings out of Alabama and Cash Malloway out of Wyoming in a late round flyer that could end up sticking again another player that seems to be making a little bit more headway in terms of press than he did when he was

drafted taking Duggar out of the equation, of those three, who do you think will be a key component in the Patriots' depth chart rotation when it comes to their defense in 2020? I think it's going to be Anthony Jennings. He's an Alabama guy. I'm sure Nick Saban talked him up to Bill Belichick throughout the whole process of going to the draft. One thing I think the Patriots, many, many years have struggled with,

and I don't know what the reason is for it, but maybe it's just the style of play they play. They really have a hard time covering tight ends. Patrick Chung has really had to take over that role. Even though he's a safety, he's had to come down to the tackle box, and he's had to cover tight ends. Even though it's not perfect, he gets the job done year after year. I think that Anthony Jennings can potentially take some pressure off of Patrick Chung. I know that they signed other safeties in the offseason that potentially could do so as well. Patrick

Chung is getting up in age. As we saw last year a couple of times, he started slowing down. It all started during the Super Bowl when he got hurt. Last year, he had a very good year, but it wasn't the same production as we've seen in the past. I think that Jennings can do that. He also is a very fast tight end. He can be an edge rusher. He can play defensive end as well. As we mentioned, the same thing with Dalton Keene, Jennings can also play multiple positions on the defense, and that's something that I think that Kyle Duggar can do. But with him being at the Division II level, I think it's going to take at least a year or so

for him to figure all that stuff out. I think so as well. I like Jennings the more I look at him. And again, I've said several times here on Locked On Patriots, I think he has the chance to be their sleeper pick this year. Look, I love Joshua Uche. I've had the opportunity to speak with Isaiah Hull, who hosts Locked On Wolverines here on the network

and covers the Michigan Wolverines for USA Today. He's been a tremendous proponent of Joshua Uche and his ability to come in, learn the Patriots system, and be a huge addition to that pass rush. But Jennings to me is that chameleon type of defender that you said could do it all. To be honest with you, as an edge rusher and as a linebacker, whatever type of hybrid he plays, his pass rushing is actually the area that I think he could stand some improvement in the most. I love the way he defends the run.

He sets the edge. He's a very good tackler. You mentioned earlier about his ability to cover tight ends. His change of direction ability allows him to do that. I think that's something that is going to be utilized big time. Obviously, there's concern about the knee, the knee injury that he suffered last year in 2018. That could be a concern long-term. The Patriots are going to have to monitor that, but if he's healthy, and by all

indications, folks, he is, I think Jennings could pay a big, you know, dividends in this defense, and I really like the athleticism that he can bring to the table. You mentioned Duggar being able to come up, make some plays. Again, the more I look at Kyle Duggar, the more I see what the Patriots saw in him. And he was one of the players that I identified as being a potential fit here in New England before the draft. I thought he went a little early, but again, the Patriots drew a beat on this guy. They weren't going to let him get away. And I think he's going to prove that. But ultimately, I think that you're right. Anthony Jennings playing against the competition he played against at Alabama gives him possibly

a leg up on this draft class. And I expect big things out of him. So again, Robert, phenomenal draft analysis. I always appreciate it. And I appreciate your candor. And hopefully we've given everyone a little bit of insight as to how the Patriots draft depth charts will work this year heading into 2020. My friend, thank you again for joining me today here on Locked On Patriots.

It's always a pleasure joining the microphone or sharing the microphone with you. Before I let you go, please let all of our listeners know where they can find you on social media, interact with you, and where they can always find your great work. Yeah, so on Facebook, you can just look up my name, Robert Marcello. On Twitter, it's Robert Marcello, no spaces in between, the R and the M capital and then five. I, for the most part, post all my content on Twitter and Facebook, so you can find me both on there.

And then I don't really post much on Instagram, but if you want to add me on instagram um it's just my name robert marcello 12. um i might have to change that though because tom brady now is gone but he'll always still be my i'm like uh you know in a lot of ways number 12 will always be in the program whether it's on the field or whether it's not i can't imagine any other patriot ever wearing that number. Usually they're not too sentimental when it comes to jersey numbers, but I think 12 is pretty sacred, and I think that belongs to Tom Brady

forever and ever here in New England, and rightfully so. But, Robert, again, thank you so much for coming on today. Everyone, Robert Marcello, I completely endorse his work and the work that he does at Full Press Coverage all over the platform. Definitely follow him and definitely check out his great work not only during the offseason, but as the season progresses. Robert is one of the

great insiders at taking a look at the Patriots' opponents. That will continue this year, and we look forward to reading more of his great work. So, thanks again, my friend. Stay safe, stay well, and we look forward to having you back on here on Locked On Patriots really soon. Of course. Thank you.

And so, Patriots fans, there is our look at the 2020 Patriots draft class on Newbie Tuesday here on the pod. I always enjoy sharing the microphone with my friend Robert Marcello, and I hope you enjoyed absorbing his wisdom and counsel as much as I did. But for tomorrow's pod, we might just be in for a little different perspective when it comes to your New England Patriots. I've often been accused of looking at things through rose-colored glasses, maybe with a Foxborough filter, so to speak. Well, that's because I try to keep things on the lighter side. But tomorrow, Pats fans, we are going to delve into the dark side. And just in case that didn't give it away, folks,

our fearless leader here on the Locked On NFL channel, the pod Vader himself, Jay Soderbergh, takes the hot seat. And he has some interesting takes on what the Patriots did in the 2020 NFL draft. What the quote-unquote gaps in their roster tells him about the Patriots' in the 2020 NFL draft, what the quote-unquote gaps in their roster tells him about the Patriots' chances to contend in 2020. And last but certainly not least, I'll put Jay on the hot seat and ask him exactly what he believes to be a realistic expectation for the New England Patriots' upcoming season prospects.

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