Locked On Patriots - Daily Podcast On The New England Patriots - Shameful: Bill Belichick Hosed By The Pro Football Hall Of Fame

Starting point is 00:00:00 Bill Belichick gets absolutely hosed by the Pro Football Hall of Fame voting committee. This is Locked-on Patriots. You are Locked-on Patriots, your daily New England Patriots podcast. Part of the Locked-on Podcast Network, your team every day. What's happening? I am your host, Nick Cattles, born and raised in New England. I have been covering the paths for 16 years. Also, the co-host of the Greg Bedard Patriots podcast with Nick Cattels.

Starting point is 00:00:33 Welcome to Lockdown Patriots, part of the Lockdown Podcast Network, now the number one sports podcast network, your team every day. On tonight's breaking news episode in the third segment will entertain the idea that Bill Belichick won't be the only legendary Patriot to get job by this committee. In the second segment, the reported reason for Belichick missing on the first ballot is more embarrassing than him missing it. But first, this is absolutely. stunning. Breaking news from ESPN just a little while ago, Bill Belichick will not be a first ballot Hall of Famer. Don Van Nata and Seth Wickersham reporting for ESPN. They wrote Bill Belichick, the eight-time Super Bowl winning coach is not a first ballot Hall of Famer. In voting earlier this month, Belichick fell short of the 40 out of 50 votes needed for induction

Starting point is 00:01:26 to the Pro Football Hall of Fame during his first year of eligibility. Four sources with first-hand knowledge of the outcome told ESPN. Belichick received a call from a hall representative last Friday afternoon with the news that he won't be inducted into the hall in Canton, Ohio, this summer. Several sources who spoke with the coach over the weekend described Belichick as, quote, unquote, puzzled and quote, disappointed, unquote, by his inability to secure support from at least 80 percent of Hall committee members. When told that Belichick is not a first ballot hall of famer Peter King, a 32-year Hall of Fame voter who didn't cast a ballot this year, said, holy bleep, oh, bleep. The bleeps begin with F. I'm very, very surprised, unquote. King went on to say,

Starting point is 00:02:18 quote, a lot of things happen in that room that are unexpected. And of course, this is a big surprise to me. Even Patrick Mahomes went to Twitter to react to this news. Patrick Mahomes posted insane dot dot don't even understand how this could be possible. 80% of the vote? Bill Belichick couldn't get 80% of the vote. Bill Belichick should have unanimously been voted into the pro football Hall of Fame as a first ballot coach. Unanimously, let alone 80%. Who are the 11, at least the 11? Who are the 11? Who are the 11? Who are the 11? people that decided that Bill Belichick was unworthy of being a first ballot Hall of Fame coach. This is an absolute joke.

Starting point is 00:03:13 It is shameful. It is embarrassing. It is downright ridiculous for anybody in that committee. Even for the people who voted for Belichick, they should be embarrassed. They know it's ridiculous. This is a shameful process. This is a circus. There is nobody, and I mean absolutely nobody in the world of coaching football that deserves to be a first ballot Hall of Famer than Bill Belichick.

Starting point is 00:03:42 There's no one on God's Green Earth. There's nobody before him. There's nobody during his time. There's nobody since he left the league. Yes, unceremoniously. But this is somebody who won six Super Bowls as a head coach. Six. Outrageous.

Starting point is 00:04:02 And not only that, Belichick, of course, also won two Super Bowls as an assistant coach in the league. A total of eight rings and you're not a first ballot Hall of Fame guy? Oh, and also his defensive game plan from the Super Bowl while with the Giants as the defensive coordinator, that is in the Hall of Fame. That sits in the Hall of Fame. The defensive game plan from Bill Belichick, the D.C., made it to the Hall of Fame quicker than Bill Belichick as the head coach. That's insane.

Starting point is 00:04:38 This should have been a no-brainer. This should have been the easiest vote in the history of this committee. If anybody actually argued against voting for Bill Belichick, they should have been thrown out of the room. They should have been shunned. They should have been told to walk out the door, not come back until they figure out what's right and what's wrong. This is just crazy.

Starting point is 00:05:00 The head coach that is second all-time. wins, a record, including the playoffs of 333 and 178, it's just patently absurd. Revoke memberships, kick people out. They should not have the right to ever vote again. That's how bad this is. And I understand he had Tom Brady. Every great coach has a great quarterback, or at least a very good quarterback. Every single one of these head coaches need a talent to win Super Bowls, need a talent to win football games.

Starting point is 00:05:36 Bill Belichick is no different. It's crazy that somebody could win eight Super Bowls and not be a first ballot guy. And don't talk to me about there's always next year. What's the difference, Nick, of him being voted in as a first ballot guy or voted in a year from now or two years from now? give me the always next year. When you are a first ballot guy, that speaks volumes. That that puts you at the very tippity top. That's the cream of the crop that we're talking about. When you're a first ballot Hall of Famer, it means you were the best of the best. And Bill Belichick is the best head coach that has ever done it. And the fact that he's not a first

Starting point is 00:06:23 ballot Hall of Famer is a smack in the face to him. It is disrespectful. It is dismissive. It is, again, outright, ridiculous. I would even say a travis sham mockery on our hands. You get in as a first ballot person to any Hall of Fame because of the respect that you garner from your colleagues. It's a statement. It's a spotlight. It's highlighting the fact that, again, you're the best that's ever done it, or at least one of the best that has ever done it.

Starting point is 00:06:55 In a class of a bunch of Hall of Fame people, well, Hall of Fame coaches and players, there's a line, difference between Hall of Fame person and Hall of Fame coach or Hall of Fame player. In that room, in that collective, you are the guy that's at the top of the mountain. That's the difference.

Starting point is 00:07:14 That's why you should be first ballot. That's why I don't talk to me about 2027's induction ceremony. And God forbid something ever happened to Bill Belichick. from this point until next year's induction ceremony, if he gets in next year, which he absolutely should, or, I mean, just get rid of the committee altogether. God forbid something would ever happen to him and he does not get his day in Canton.

Starting point is 00:07:46 That would be tragic. This is a joke. Absolute joke. But the reason, the reason according to, sources that Bill Belichick is not a first ballot hall of famer should make you even more angry than him not getting in. That's next. This is Lockdown Patriots, part of the Lockdown Podcast Network, your team every day. There's nothing like being in an NBA arena, the crowd, the energy, the moment. Getting tickets, though, that part hasn't always been so simple. That's why

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Starting point is 00:10:59 Super Bowl. It's going to take a huge push, but I feel like we can get there. All right. How in the world did Bill Belichick not get in as a first ballot guy? What are the reasons why he doesn't get in? We have some info, some intel on that. But first, I want to get to a couple of your comments. Stephen Grossberg. There has to be a way Goodell overrides this. Yeah? Nope. There's no way that he can override it. Let's not forget, Roger Goodell works for the owners. It's not the other way around. And the owners, I don't think, care much. I don't think they're worried about Bill Belichick,

Starting point is 00:11:39 not making it in as a first ballot Hall of Famer. So Roger Goodell is going to sit there on his hands and watch all of this play out. Parker Conrad, NFL. of Fame Committee is a joke, could not agree more. Absolute joke. Else 31, 987, while I agree, I can't help but think of the human factor, someone who disagrees with Bill's off the field life and deciding not to vote for him. Again, this is, you know, this is not about the human being. It's not about the person.

Starting point is 00:12:08 This is about your accomplishments in the NFL, what you did as a head coach. And if you let Bill's personality or who he is as a person, you are. a human being. If you let that affect your voting, you should not be voting. David McWork, I don't like Bill, but he is 100% a Hall of Famer. No doubt about it. I appreciate the comments. Keep sending him my way. So how in the world is Bill Belichick, not a first ballot guy? Pettiness. Sore losers. Don Vanada, Seth Wicker Sham of ESPN wrote, a source familiar with Belichick's thinking, said, quote, politics kept him out. He doesn't believe this is a reflection on his accomplishments, unquote. Van Nata and Wickersham,

Starting point is 00:12:53 right. Multiple sources told ESPN that spy gate and deflategate came up in deliberations among voters. A voter who spoke on condition of anonymity said that Bill Polion, an ardent craft supporter, Robert Kraft, of course, and former GM of the Buffalo Bills in Indianapolis Colts, told some voters he believed Belichette, Belichick should, quote, quote, wait a year before induction as penance for Spygate. Commissioner Roger Goodell also fined the Patriots 50 grand and Belichick 250 grand at that time for SpyGate. And of course, it costs team a first round pick. This is embarrassing.

Starting point is 00:13:38 This is junior high. This is high school. Bill Pollian should absolutely, absolutely be embarrassed by what. what he said during these meetings and believing that Bill Belichick should not be voted in to the Hall of Fame because of SpyGate. If you believe that SpyGate or Deflate Gate is enough of a reason to not induct Bill Belichick into the Hall of Fame as a first ballot guy, then you should believe Bill Belichick doesn't belong in the Hall of Fame at all.

Starting point is 00:14:11 If it's that serious, he should never get in. if you're truly angry about him, quote unquote, cheating the game, he should never be allowed in the Hall of Fame. It's utterly ridiculous to say, well, he deserves. He deserves to wait a year because of SpyGate. Wait a year? An arbitrary term thrown out there by Bill Pollian? Bill Pollian?

Starting point is 00:14:37 I mean, what are we doing here? As if other head coaches haven't done sketchy stuff, as if other teams haven't done sketchy stuff. As if the Indianapolis cults, by the way, have not done sketchy stuff. Hey, Bill Pollian, how about pumping in fake noise through your speakers in your dome?

Starting point is 00:14:59 How about some of the stuff about the heat inside the stadium at times? How about some of the rumors about the water that was being served by the... I mean, we've got all these controversies and conspiracies. Bill Pollyan and the Indianapolis cults. have done some things that have made a lot of people around the league wonder. But Bill Pollian, the pettiness in holding this against Bill Belichick,

Starting point is 00:15:27 you want to know why Bill Polion's upset. It's not because of SpyGate. It's not because of deflategate, which, by the way, we all know was a nothing burger and has been proven to be a nothing burger since the fraudulent investigation that was held. You want to know why Bill Pollyan's upset at Bill Belichick? It's because Bill Belichick's Patriots beat the bag out of Bill Pollyan's cults. It's because if Bill Belichick and Tom Brady and the Patriots never existed,

Starting point is 00:15:57 Bill Pollyan and Peyton Manning and the Indianapolis Colts would have won many more Super Bowls. That's why. That is why. And if you want to relitigate Spigate, SpyGate, Have at it. Relitigate SpyGate all you want. But didn't they already serve their quote, quote, penance. I mean, it's just, it's so stupid.

Starting point is 00:16:23 It's borderline comical. Isn't the penance, the punishment that you got in the moment? Isn't the fact that the Patriots had to give up a first round pick and that the team and Belichick that they were fined because of SpyGate? Wasn't that their penance? Now 18 years later, you're going to bring this up in a meeting? What are we doing?

Starting point is 00:16:51 Almost two decades after SpyGate, after they went on and won multiple other championships, after they already were punished because of SpyGate, you're going to bring it back up two decades later in a clandestine room with a pro

Starting point is 00:17:07 football Hall of Fame committee to cry and moan and complain and say, well, he doesn't deserve it, at least not this year, because do you remember spy gate 20 years ago. Just think about how junior high that is from Bill Pollian. Think about that.

Starting point is 00:17:32 Think about that. And here's another point I would bring up here. Nobody with a personal beef should be allowed in that room. Bill Polion should not even be allowed in that room. Let's say like Eric Mangini of all people was going to get voted into the Hall of Fame. And Bill Belichick was part of the committee. Belichick should not have the right to vote on Eric Mangini if they have a personal beef. Bill Pollian obviously is biased against Bill Belichick.

Starting point is 00:18:06 He obviously has biased against the coach. There's no doubt about it. He should not be allowed to vote. If you have a personal vendetta, if you have some kind of personal agenda that you're harkening back to 20 years ago, as your best point as to why the best coach of all time should not be a first ballot guy, if you're digging that deep, if you're being that petty, you shouldn't be in the room. Anybody with a personal history, with a personal beef, with a vendetta, an agenda should be out. Replace them with somebody else when you're talking about voting for a particular person.

Starting point is 00:18:47 If you got to do it, you got to do it, because this is embarrassing by Bill Pollian. This is not a popularity contest. It's not for the person who is the most well-liked. What you should do is put your personal grudges and pettiness aside and say, this guy is the best head coach that we've ever had in this league. He deserves this honor and he deserves to be a first ballot Hall of Famer. Throw your agenda in the garbage and do the right thing. but instead Bill Pollian and the committee did not do that.

Starting point is 00:19:26 Be ashamed of yourselves. Everybody who voted no should be ashamed of themselves. Give up your right to vote next year. You should not be a member of this committee. You are unsurious. This was an unsurious vote in an unsurious result. There's no other way to look at this. Absolute joke.

Starting point is 00:19:52 Bill Pollian. You'll be remembered, Bill. You will be remembered, my friend. Just crazy. All right. Now that Belichick has been robbed. One has to wonder if Robert Kraft will continue to be robbed. This is Lockdown Patriots, part of the Lockdown Podcast Network.

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Starting point is 00:21:28 I don't forget to like, comment, and subscribe, help us out. appreciate every single one of you. So Robert Kraft is also up for the Hall of Fame again. As we know, he has been bypassed several times. Robert Kraft should already be in the Hall of Fame. He is the owner of a franchise that has six Super Bowl titles. Not only do you look at the success of his franchise, but what about the impact that Robert Kraft has had throughout this league?

Starting point is 00:22:00 he saved the league from a lockout going back 14, 15 years ago. He spearheaded the CBA negotiations. I'll never forget Jeff Saturday, standing there with Robert Kraft, telling the whole football world that Robert Kraft's the reason why there was going to be football that season. So he saved the NFL's took us during those talks. He, you know, arguably one of the most consistent, as far as owners go, one of the most consistent winners in sports of the past 20 plus years. Oh, and by the way, he kept the team in New England.

Starting point is 00:22:37 There was this thought that the Patriots might move to St. Louis. We saw how a football team in St. Louis would work out. There was talk about the Patriots possibly moving to Hartford, moving down to Connecticut. Robert Kraft kept the Patriots close to Boston, kept them in New England. and if you weren't aware, Boston is a top 10 media market. If you don't think that matters for the NFL, again, saving the leagues took us, keeping this team in a top market, big business for the NFL. So is Robert Kraft going to get bypassed again.

Starting point is 00:23:17 Well, according to Don Van Nata and Seth Wickersham of ESPN in the same Bill Belichick story, they write that it's unknown whether Robert Kraft or any other finalists receive the necessary votes for induction. Somebody leaked this stuff about Belichick, right? And this is a continuing issue for the Patriots organization. As Evan Lazar pointed out on Twitter tonight, you know, you look at the 70s Steelers. They have 10 players plus the head coach, plus the owner in the Hall of Fame. You look at the 1980s 49ers.

Starting point is 00:23:53 They have six players, the head coach, and the owner, and the Hall of Fame. You look at the 1990s Cowboys. They have six players, the head coach, and the owner, all in the Hall of Fame. But when you look at the Patriots, Belichick, not a first ballot guy. Adam Venetary, best kicker in NFL history. Most points, not in the Hall of Fame. Rodney Harrison continues to somehow get dismissed by the committee year after year after year. And there are more players from not just one, but both Patriots dynasties that are not in the Hall of Fame that should be in the Hall of Fame.

Starting point is 00:24:34 This is a trend. This is a theme. This is what the NFL does to the Patriots. And they try to, with pretzel logic, tell you why these guys should not be Hall of Famers. What does Adam Venetary have to do with SpyGate or Rodney Harrison? Like, what are we doing? It just continues. It continues.

Starting point is 00:24:58 And I wonder, I would ask Bill Pollian, or maybe Bill Pollian feels differently because he's friendly with Robert Kraft. Has Robert Kraft finally served his quote unquote penance? Has he? Has he served his penance? And what's he serving the penance for? Is it from SpyGate to Flake Gate? is because what happened down in Florida? What's going on here?

Starting point is 00:25:25 Robert Kraft is easily a Hall of Famer. If Jerry Jones is in the Hall of Fame, Robert Kraft should be in the Hall of Fame. And the fact that they continue to make the owner sit there and wait after not voting in so many other Patriots during that time. And now Bill Pollian gets to walk around with this, chest out proud as a peacock with the 10 other voters who are clueless and I guess feel proud of themselves because they they drew a line in the sand by not voting Bill Belichick in as a first ballot

Starting point is 00:26:00 guy. So will they just continue to punish the Patriots organization and continue to punish Robert Kraft? Are they going to wait until Robert Kraft passes away to then finally put him in the Hall of Fame? They're fortunate that Robert Kraft has been in good health. Just unreal. As Calanon says, they're going to try to keep Tom Brady out of the Hall of Fame too? Hey, look, if you're going to sit there and you're going to say spy gate and deflategate is a reason why Bill Belichick is not going to be a first ballot guy, then you've got to say that Tom Brady doesn't deserve to be a first ballot guy, right?

Starting point is 00:26:48 If you're going to hold it to that standard, if you're going to hold it to that standard, then Tom Brady is not a first ballot. Hall of Famer. And anything is possible now. Anything is on the table. When you say that Bill Belichick is not worthy of a first ballot, you could say Tom Brady is not worthy of a first ballot. Bill Belichick, best coach of all time. As we know, Tom Brady, best player of all time. Same, same. Bill Belichick accomplished what he did in his field, what Tom Brady has accomplished in his field. If you're going to dismiss Belichick as a first timer, then you should, you should, you should. Dismissed Tom Brady. I mean, that's how ridiculous it is when you pull yourself from 30,000 feet and think about this. Jajajajajajajaj Jabroni says it's literally embarrassing. It is. Uber tripping. Hall of Fame just lost credibility.

Starting point is 00:27:49 Embarrassing. They should be ashamed. If I were in that committee, I would be moving furniture over the fact that Bill Belichick was not a first ballot guy. And let's see. Let's see if they, let's see if they keep that, that level for Tom Brady. Let's see if Bill Pollian is in that room next year and saying, you know what? I don't think Tom Brady should be in the Hall of Fame because of the Flakegate. He should serve his penance.

Starting point is 00:28:20 What kind of sham is this? Like Bill Polion, you should be ashamed to yourself and anybody else, but especially Bill Polion, who apparently was the leader of the circus in that room. All right, that wraps up this breaking news edition of Lockdown Patriots. Thank you for checking us out. Reach out to me on Twitter at Nick C Radio. Don't forget to throw a comment in the YouTube channel. Hit that like button and, of course, subscribe.

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Locked On Patriots - Daily Podcast On The New England Patriots - Shameful: Bill Belichick Hosed By The Pro Football Hall Of Fame

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