Locked On Patriots - Daily Podcast On The New England Patriots - Two Days Away-Tuesday: Patriots Draft Talk with John Vogel. - 4/21/2020

Episode Date: April 21, 2020

It is T-Minus-Two Days until the 2020 NFL Draft. Today, host Mike D’Abate welcomes John Vogel of NFLDraftRite.com to talk NFL Draft prospect rankings and what that means for the New England Patriots’ chances of drafting them. The duo talk offense, defense and some insight on the intriguing quarterback situation in New England. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Patriots fans, you are now locked in to the Locked On Patriots Podcast. I'm going to show you how to make a beautiful and beautiful flower. I'm going to use a small flower pot. I'm going to use a small pot Hello to all of you Foxborough faithful, and welcome to your T-minus two days until the NFL Draft Tuesday episode of Lockdown Patriots, your daily home for news, notes, and analysis infused with the occasional opinion on your six-time Super Bowl champions, the New England Patriots.

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Give the Lockdown Patriots account a follow as well at LO underscore Patriots. Patriots fans, we are just two days away from the start of the NFL draft. Thursday evening, April 23rd, 2020, your New England Patriots, along with 31 other teams folks, will make their selection from the field of prospects, hoping for a long-term shot at an NFL career. And I here at Locked On Patriots, as well as all of my colleagues across the Locked On NFL podcast landscape, have been working tirelessly week after week to bring you the best draft coverage possible for your favorite team.

And whether it be my own insight, the wisdom and counsel of some of the great guests that I've had the pleasure of sharing the microphone with here on Locked On Patriots, or most importantly you, the great listeners of Locked On Patriots who submitted some great mock drafts week after week, my goal remains the same. It's to keep you informed and entertained, and I sincerely hope that I've been able to do that over the course of the last few weeks. But the good news here, folks, is that we are not done yet. In fact, we are just hitting the home stretch.

And this week here on the pod, we'll boast some of the most comprehensive and in-depth coverage of the NFL draft that we've provided yet. So as I like to say, folks, stay locked into Locked On Patriots. We have you covered when it comes to anything and everything NFL Draft relating to your six-time Super Bowl champions, the New England Patriots. And that comprehensive coverage starts today. Joining me here on the hot seat on Locked On Patriots is the publisher of NFLDraftRight.com and NFL Draft expert, John Vogel.

John is one of the leading analysts in the country when it comes to ranking draft prospects, and in his latest set of rankings, he actually took a little bit of an old-school approach, and we will discuss that today, including who he feels to be the best among those prospects at being a fit in Foxborough. We'll talk offense, defense, and of course, folks, we'll talk a little quarterback as well. So sit tight, folks, and settle in. John brings a wealth of knowledge. It's my honor to share the microphone with him today, and I sincerely hope that you all

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Patriots fans, we continue to inch our way closer to the NFL draft, and so many names have swirled around our airwaves and the airwaves of so many NFL draft shows and podcasts, it can be a daunting task to keep track of how each of these names stack up against their competition. Well, today, my guest provides that position-by-position perspective that makes him one of the very best at what he does. He is the founder of NFLDraftRight.com, a leading NFL draft expert in the field, and most honorably, a brave defender of our nation in the U.S. Army Reserve, making his second appearance today on the pod. He is my friend, John Vogel.

John, thanks for joining me, and welcome back to Locked on Patriots. It's always a pleasure, Mike. It's always great to hear from you and get a chance to talk. It's going to be fun, man. I appreciate you having me on again. Oh, my pleasure. The last time you were on, we had some great discussions, received a great amount of feedback, and I don't expect anything less today. I look forward to it,

and especially because of the close proximity to the draft, my friend, it makes our discussion today all that more relevant. And in just over 48 hours from now, John, the 2020 NFL draft will indeed commence. And the draft rankings fluctuate almost as much, if not more, than the stock market. That might be a bad comparison right now, folks. I apologize for that. I know it's tough for everybody, but it does fluctuate. And who's up? Who's down?

For those in our profession, it's our job to make sense of the madness, but some do a better job of it than others. And I, without hesitation, place you in that category, especially when it comes to positional rankings. And recently you took on the heavy responsibility of ranking the 2020 NFL draft prospects by position. And you went a little old school in your approach, which I like because you categorize them into categories such as immediate impact, low impact, future impact, project, and low priority. Let's start with the immediate impact players, because ultimately, those are going to get the most headlines on Thursday and over the weekend. They already are. We've seen that. Assuming for a moment that the Patriots do not trade up, which I still think is an option for this team,

and it would not shock me to see them trade up, but let's stick with the assumption that they're going to stand pat, pun intended. Knowing what you know about the needs of the other teams in the NFL drafting ahead of them, with the Patriots sitting at number 23, do you think it's an unreasonable assumption for anyone to believe that they could be in line for a quote immediate impact player and if so who might be a potential fit that they may have their eye on in that category so immediate impact instant impact that's basically what when i put together this ranking system it was to kind of do away with rounds because,

you know, you only, when you're grading guys from an overall aspect, you're only going to have 20 to 25 different guys that are going to have, you know, first round grades. And so that was the whole idea of getting the immediate impact involved and kind of leveling that to remove the number away and take that away from the prospect. Now, at 23, I think I only had 23 instant impact guys. You did. And a few of those guys I would anticipate falling a little bit into the draft. So at 23, you're going to have – this year it's crazy. We really don't know who's going where nfl people are

telling everybody that the mock drafts that you're seeing in the media including you know mine uh nfl.com and bleacher report espn so on and so forth are way off so we have no idea what's going to happen potential guys that i think if the patriots were to pass on someone as a low impact would go with someone who's going to hit right away. If they want to go tight end, Adam Trotman is definitely going to be there. That's going to be a bit of a reach for a lot of people. We talked about him last time, I think, I was on. He's a big guy. He's a lot of fun, and I think he's really the best overall tight end prospect in this class. I know the Patriots like him.

They've been interviewing with him. They've talked with him a good bit at the Senior Bowl, because I saw it. And he's got a lot of hype in the NFL that a lot of people don't know about because he interviewed so well. Another guy that could potentially be there, who I think is one of the better linebacker prospects in the class, is Keane Davis-is gathers out of appalachian state and this is another guy he's a little bit more of a hybrid he fits that mold of linebacker that bill belichick really likes to play with uh he's just raw enough to where belichick would be intrigued you know what i'm saying because belichick doesn't like guys that are not as technically refined as a lot of other people do.

And Gaither does enough well right now and has a high enough ceiling where Belichick would want to touch that. And so if he values linebacker, if that's the position of need going into the first round that they're targeting, I would really expect to see him come off the board right there. That's a great perspective. And I really like the fact that you've brought up Akeem's name because he's a guy that I think I've seen climb a lot of the national draft boards recently. You know, we talk about impact players at the linebacker

position. We hear a lot about Patrick Queen, obviously, being one of the gems of the draft when it comes to linebacker. Kenneth Murray out of Oklahoma is a guy you hear a lot about. Even people like Malik Harrison. Logan Wilson is someone we discussed a little bit yesterday here on Locked On Patriots. But when you take a look at a guy like Akeem Davis-Gaither, I think that he's been a little maybe under the radar, especially when it comes to the Patriots' ability to draft. But this is a player that is definitely, like you said, a sub-package linebacker, versatile in coverage, but also can thrive as a blitzer. I really like his prospectus in New England a lot more than I did maybe even a couple of weeks ago,

maybe because I'm watching a little bit more on him. I'm hearing his name a little bit more, and I think that he could make an impact, especially in the way the Patriots play defense. So that is definitely a good prospect on defense to watch, folks. I'm so glad that you mentioned Trotman. We did discuss him the last time that you were here on Locked on Patriots, and your insight, your firsthand insight from being there at the Senior Bowl, to me, gives us a lot of perspective when it comes to the Patriots'

possible interest in him. I've been seeing Trotman's praises now for at least a few weeks, at least since the Senior Bowl and even during the Combine. I think he'd make the prototypical Patriot tight end. There's obviously a huge need there for the New England Patriots, and that could be a position that they look to early. So I'm glad that you made the clarification on the instant impact, what exactly that means, and thank you for tying it together with some of those type of

players that the Patriots may target early. John, obviously offense, like you said, with the tight end position, it is going to be a concern for the Patriots and we will get into the offense in just a moment but I always say that defense wins championships and just mentioning Akeem at the linebacker position just a few moments ago I know you're dialed into that so if the Patriots needs our linebacker defensive line and even safety to an extent first off do you see the Patriots better served as seeking defensive help early in the draft, like you just said that they might do with a guy like Akeem Davis Gaither? Or do you think that they will look to that middle to late round diamond

in the rough type Bill Belichick style to be able to reconstruct some of the holes they have on defense on this team moving forward as the 2020 season prepares to kick off? Well, you know, Mike, I think it's going to really – I think any of these questions can be answered like this, so I'm going to explain it farther. But it really comes down to how the board falls. So we've been hearing a lot about Bill Belichick and his linebackers, right? Especially when you watch, like I was watching the senior bowl practice broadcasts back

on Sunday on ESPNU. And they were talking about Bill focusing on the linebackers. That's his position, you know, and we hear that so much. And when you look at the draft history of what the Patriots have done with linebackers, people like Kyle Van Noy, people like Donta Hightower, they pick up these guys where people kind of feel like they're reaching, but it works in New England. And then we've seen these same guys. You can even throw Jamie Collins in there too and say,

have you seen these guys go to other teams and not see that level of success that they see in New England? So I can't speak for the Patriots because I have no idea what the big board looks like, but I would, judging by history and what we know of Bill and that entire organization, I would expect him to target linebackers in the third round. They have a few picks there. My recent mock draft that I just dropped,

I had them taking two guys in the third round. Willie Gay Jr. out of Mississippi State and Jordan Brooks out of Texas Tech. These are guys that could potentially drop down the board because when it comes to linebackers in this class, there's not a lot of guys that stand out. Everybody's got traits, but everybody's got these blatant flaws. And these are two guys that I think Bill would target because their flaws are things that he feels like he can work on. Willie Gay, great speed, great athleticism. He's an excellent coverage linebacker

as well. He just takes too quick to his pursuit sometimes. Jordan Brooks is a guy who needs to refine his pass coverage, but he is great coming downhill and he's got awesome speed. So these are, that's, they have like the physical traits that Bill would be looking for with those types of linebackers. And they're probably going to be there come third round. But ultimately it does depend who falls in the draft, how does the board fall, and what positions are they really prioritizing.

Yeah, I'm glad you mentioned Brooks. Brooks is a guy that I've been keeping a little bit of an eye on, especially over the weekend and into even today's discussion. So when you brought up his name right away, I kind of smiled a little bit because he's been someone I have been doing a little bit more due diligence on. I was really surprised to see some of his statistics, 360 tackles across four seasons in college, 108 tackles and 20 tackles for a loss in 11 games as a senior last year. That's impressive, especially at a school like Texas Tech. He's that big, physical, rangy, downhill run defender that, you know, he's definitely an outstanding tackler, effectively shoots the gaps. He could be a guy that I think could work wonders in a Bill Belichick defense.

And you did mention a good point. Linebacker is typically that Bill Belichick position, the one where he's able to see what most people don't see, and he gets the maximum talent out of that position. So that's why I think if he's going to go linebacker, I happen to agree with you. I think the area where he will do it is that mid range. They do have a good amount of third round draft capital. And I think there are a lot of players to be had. I happen to think this is a pretty deep class when it comes to linebacker talent, maybe a little bit more than some others have because I've watched a lot. I like Troy Dye out of Oregon an awful lot. I don't know if he'd be a guy that would necessarily be there for the

Patriots in the third round. Might come off the board a little earlier. Marcus Bailey out of Purdue is another guy that I have my eye on too. So definitely, you know, some options for the Patriots on defense, but it sounds like you've prioritized linebacker. I have as well. And anytime that my insight aligns with one of the leading experts in the field, I tend to feel a little bit better about myself. So if for nothing else, my friend, thank you for making me feel just a little bit smarter. And John, we've talked about some positional rankings, even a little defensive strategy here for the last few minutes, but the Patriots offense will be under a microscope this year as we head toward the 2020 NFL season. In just a moment, John and I will discuss his big

board of NFL draft prospects on offense and seek his counsel of which of them would look best in those new Patriots threads when the Lockdown Patriots podcast continues. Patriots fans, once again, I am joined by John Vogel of NFL Draft Right. And John, I know that it's really not that well publicized, but I don't know if you knew the Patriots are going to have a new starting quarterback this season. I know not a lot of people are talking about it. It's not one of the bigger stories in the NFL, my kid folks. I can't even say that with a straight face.

It's all over the place. Everyone knows the Tom Brady era is officially over in New England, and a new dawn and a new day is about to begin in Foxborough. And a big concern of all Patriots fans is the prognosis of the offense. Putting aside the main man, the signal caller position for just a moment, the Pats have a need at the skill positions as well as the offensive line. And we talked a little bit about tight end and Adam Trotman. But when you look at your positional rankings, what are the most realistic options for the Patriots at these positions?

Because again, number 23 might be an area where they choose to look in this direction. Is there a player right now on your big board that you'd say the Patriots should probably have an eye on at 23? Or who might you take a very strong look at if you were Bill Belichick, Nick Casario, and the Patriots' brain trust? The receiver class this year is really interesting in the sense that there's a lot of guys that the NFL considers as contributors, what they call 3,300 guys,

which are 30 catches, 300 yards a year type players. Once you get past the first three receivers in this class, that'd be CeeD oklahoma and then the alabama receivers jerry judy and henry ruck you kind of get to this point where everybody becomes contributors everybody you know other some people have higher upsides than others and have better ceilings but there it's this level of what's a good way of putting this there's a lot of parity there and there's about it's about 20 players deep like actually i think i had 25 guys that were at least future impact guys in that position group right so if i'm the patriots honestly there's not really anybody that I would consider at 23, assuming that those top three receivers don't fly. So I would be looking into some of the later rounds. A guy that I really think would look great in New England would be James Prochet out of SMU.

This is the typical slot guy. He's, you know, you can move Julian Edelman to a two. You probably play Nikhil Harry as the one, assuming he's healthy this year. And just play Parche out of the slot. He's literally the perfect slot receiver. He will run three routes for you his entire career and still catch 60 passes a year and just be one of these insane contributors in that type of an offense. But if you're looking at an outside guy, I think in the future somebody that the Patriots might really like is a small school guy, Antonio Gandy, Golden Out of Liberty. Big target, ball hawk, not as nuanced with some of the routes as some of the other guys in the class,

but he's got he's got that upside he's shown some potential uh and the obviously his hands aren't too big of a concern yeah and i think uh you know gandy golden out of liberty is uh another guy that has kind of been flying under the radar when it comes to the patriots uh needs and options but i i really think that this kid needs to get a closer look. He's got terrific ball skills, great hands, massive catch radius.

And I think that that's one of the things that the Patriots are looking for. You mentioned his ball skills. You mentioned, you know, his ability to be able to do that. He's one of those receivers that can go up and get it. I know there's a few concerns on him with, in terms of his

acceleration, his elusiveness, but ultimately I think that he could be a guy that's a bigger bodied receiver. 6'4", 222, I think are his listings. And I think someone that the Patriots could definitely take a strong look at. You mentioned James Prochet, and I know that the Patriots were considered to be overly enamored. Maybe not overly. I won't be too aggressive when I say that. But pretty much enamored with him from the senior bowl. As a matter of fact, there was some information coming out of the Patriots camp that they were, quote, gushing over this kid. And I think he could be a great option at the slot in later rounds.

So good insight as always, my friend, and I appreciate you giving us a little bit more insight on what Patriots fans should be looking for in the wide receiver position. And I agree, because it's such a deep class, I think they can pluck some really good gems in that middle range round and still be able to get some good production

at this position, which obviously is a position of need for the Pats. And last but not least, my friend, a wide receiver is only going to be as effective as the guy who's throwing him the ball. And the Patriots quarterback position faces some uncertainty for the first time in almost 20 years. Tom Brady's gone, and by all indications,

Jarrett Stidham seems to be the guy, but we keep hearing a lot of rumors about the quarterback position in this year's draft. We keep hearing about Tua. We hear about even Justin Herbert, Jordan Love, a guy that you sang the praises on several times when you were here on Locked On Patriots the last time, and that's Jalen Hurts, and I know you're very high on his draft prospectus and even his fit here in New England John I even saw an article this morning that suggested the Pats may try to trade and snag the number one pick for Joe Burrow I don't see that happening but I think the Patriots right now are content with Stidham for this year I think they're going to look to that middle part

of the draft for quarterback help again this year I think they're going to look to that middle part of the draft for quarterback help again this year. I think they might look to a guy like a James Morgan or a Jake Fromm or even an Anthony Gordon in the middle rounds. At this point, if the Patriots don't trade up from 23, do you see them being aggressive in trying to pursue one of these quarterbacks? And if you were GM, would you be aggressive in a move to try to snag one of these quarterbacks? Is this such a deep class that the Patriots may be able to find their single caller of the future here? Or should they roll and see what they have instead of first? You know, I can't question Bill Belichick's quarterbacks in the way that he scouts them. Because, I mean, they did get Tom Brady in the sixth round and he went and won six Super Bowls.

And nobody would have ever assumed that in the 2000 NFL draft. I don't think that was even a thought. So when they took Jared Stidham last year, he wasn't a guy that I was particularly fond of during the cycle. I did miss a lot of the cycle because I was going through basic training at the time. And I think I left in February, so shortly before the combine. But Stidham was a guy that when I put on his tape, I just saw mental problems and mental makeup issues and um not really not nothing consistent and so when they took stidham i was very surprised to say the least now that's why i had to preface this to say i'm not going to

question new england's quarterbacks because they apparently do it better than anybody. If I'm the GM, I really like taking a quarterback at 23 if the guy's there. I don't think Herbert's going to slide as far as a lot of people think. He's not going to be there at 23. So you're kind of left with a couple options that you can pull the trigger on. Jordan Love at Utah State. He's not going to be able to start right away,

but you do have two quarterbacks on the roster that have shown at least to some capacity that they can be a capable player. You know, Stidham had a good preseason. Hoyer, this is not his first round in New England. Right. capacity that they can be a capable player. You know, Stidham had a good preseason. Hoyer, this is not his first round in New England. Right. So you can go with somebody like Jordan Love,

who's going to take a year, maybe two years, before he's ready to really go. Or you could go with somebody like Jalen Hurts. And I know a lot of people think that's crazy for him to go in the first round. But would anybody think Dak Prescott, you know, now looking back in hindsight was, would have been crazy to go late first round over Paxton Lynch? No. And I'm not saying that Jalen Hurts is going to be Dak Prescott. I just see a lot of shade of like a smaller,

more athletic version of Dak Prescott when I put on Jalen Hurts' tape. And that's really why I'm as fond of him as I am. There's no shame in waiting until the third round or trading down from 23 and picking up somebody like Jake Fromm. I think Jake Fromm is going to be a really good player in the NFL, even if a lot of people have concerns about his arm strength for good reason. It's not really good. It's mediocre at best.

So, Bafram is smart. He's heady. It fits the Belichick mold of quarterback. I think Hurts kind of fits that, too. He's a little bit more athletic than Belichick is used to working with. And, yeah, yeah James Morgan that's another one that they've been talking to a lot lately uh from what I've been seeing so Morgan could be like a guy that could target the fourth or fifth round as well yeah and I think Morgan

right now seems to be a guy that a lot of people especially here locally uh for those that cover the Patriots he's the hot name right now that Patriots fans are hearing and starting to maybe warm to a little bit. Here on Locked On Patriots, I've had several guests that have sung the praises of Jake Fromm. And again, there are questions about his arm. There are questions about the strength of his arm. But I think you made a very articulate point in that Bill Belichick's mode of quarterbacks

is the cerebral type of quarterback that just see the field better than anyone. For all intents and purposes, before Tom Brady became Tom Brady, that's very similar to the game that he started, you know, predicating when he first became the signal caller here in New England. He didn't morph into the quote-unquote goat right off the bat. He was much more of a game manager, much more of a cerebral quarterback that just saw the field, was able to step up, make plays, ice water in the veins, and able to carry his team. And he crafted and perfected his craft over the years to develop an arsenal where really there wasn't anything he

couldn't do. And a guy like Fromm, and I'm not saying he's ever going to equal what Brady had, but if there's anybody that's capable of being able to handle the mental game of succeeding one of the greatest quarterbacks to ever wear shoulder pads and be able to process an offense and be able to lead it, he might be an interesting option. So again, I know you're high on Hurts, and I've become much higher on Jalen since our conversation, believe it or not. Watching the film that I see on him, dynamic playmaking ability, and I really do like what I see from him. I think Josh McDaniels particularly could have a lot of fun crafting an offense built around a guy like Jalen Hurts.

So interesting to hear what you have to say about the quarterback position. And you know what, John? Bottom line is, we'll know in a little over 48 hours what the Patriots intend to do. I think if they're set with Stidham, I don't believe they're aggressive in their pursuit of a quarterback. But if the Patriots trade up or they snag someone at 23, I think that's an indication that they're looking for their quarterback of the future. So great insight as always. I appreciate your lending. Yeah, exactly. At least. And I appreciate your wisdom and counsel on that subject and all of the wisdom and counsel you provided for us today.

I thank you for your appearance. Before I let you go today, my friend, please let everyone out there know where they can find your great work, where they can hear you, follow you, read you. And I highly recommend following John as we get toward the NFL draft and even beyond into his post-draft analysis, some of the best work you'll find anywhere in NFL media. I appreciate that. You can find all our work at NFLDraftRight.com, and that's draft right know, draft right.

Right is spelled R-I-T-E. I'm on Twitter at JohnDAVogel. You can follow the website as well at DraftRight. And we've got a great team. I'm really happy with the way it's come together. We're launching our podcast network is really starting to pick up some steam. So that's a good as well. And the website's really grown here in the last couple of weeks,

which has been awesome. Just with people wanting to work with us, people, I think we brought on 10 people in the last two weeks. And we've got a scouting department now that we'll be putting a lot of focus into making sure that we have accurate reports on stuff that's NFL-level type stuff. So 2021 will be an awesome year. But, yeah, man, I appreciate you having me on here. It's always a great time talking with you and getting to catch up with you

a little bit and hear what you're doing. Whenever you've got a chance to talk more draft, I'm always down. Absolutely, and you know we will. The pleasure is all mine, I assure you. Again, folks, NFLDraftWrite.com Follow John and all the great writers they have over there. Stay safe, Stay well. As always, my friend, and most importantly, thank you for your service to our country. But thank you for providing your insight on the NFL draft. I know Patriots fans will definitely be intrigued and we look forward to hearing from you post draft. So that way we can all

prognosticate on how wrong we were when it comes to what Bill Belichick is going to have in store, because we all know he goes against the grain. But I digress, folks. Again, John, thank you so much. Have a great week, my friend, and enjoy the NFL Draft on Thursday. You too, Mike. And once again, Patriots fans, with the conclusion of today's show, we find ourselves just a little bit closer to Thursday evening's start of the 2020 NFL Draft.

I thoroughly enjoy talking NFL Draft with John Voelkel, who always brings a wealth of knowledge. Some of the prospects that we've mentioned here today haven't been mentioned before on Locked On Patriots. And now that we're able to count the hours rather than days until the NFL Draft, I want to make sure that you remain as informed as possible. And in that vein, tomorrow's guest here on Locked On Patriots is a name and a voice you know very well. He is my predecessor, my great friend, and several times I've compared this man to Brett the Hitman Hart of WWE fame.

The best there is, the best there was, the best there ever will be. Mark Schofield will join me here on tomorrow's episode of Locked On Patriots to discuss what else? The NFL Draft. And we will discuss it in? The NFL Draft. And we will discuss it in depth as only Mark can. So be sure to subscribe to Locked On Patriots on Apple Podcasts. Follow us on Spotify

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And if you've enjoyed today's episode, now tell your smart device to play the most recent episode of Locked On Fantasy Football. Once again, I'm Mike DeBate. I thank John Vogel for his time, his insight, and his appearance today. But most of all, I thank you all so much for listening and for staying locked in to Locked On Patriots. Stay safe, stay well, and have a great day, everyone.