Magic: The Gathering Drive to Work Podcast - #1215: BroadwayCon 2025

Episode Date: February 14, 2025

Every year, my eldest daughter, Rachel, and I go to a convention dedicated to Broadway called BroadwayCon. It's interesting going to a convention from the perspective of a fan. In this episode, I talk about this year's trip, the things I learned, and apply my learnings to Magic design.

I'm pulling on my driveway. We all know what that means. It's time to get the drive to work Okay, so today I'm recapping a trip. I took with my daughter to BroadwayCon. I've done a bunch of BroadwayCon Podcasts before I think the very first one we went to was in 2019 which was the fourth ever BroadwayCon and then we went in 2020 and then there was a pandemic. And then the last couple of years, it has been the same weekend as San Diego Comic-Con, so I haven't been able to go. But this year, they went back to January or February,

and I was able to attend with my daughter, Rachel. So for those that don't know, BroadwayCon is a convention dedicated to the fans of Broadway. I am a long time Broadway fan. And so it is really interesting to me to go to a convention of, like I obviously do a lot of magic conventions and game conventions and such, but it's kind of fun.

The reason I do podcasts on this is I like to sort of get insight from watching somebody else do something that we do but on a different topic And so I'm going to recap Broadway con 2025 talk about all the different panels and stuff Rachel and I saw and I will apply them To magic so that that is what I've done the bath. I'll like I said, this is my Personally fourth Broadway con and every Broadway con I've been to I've made a podcast. This is my fourth Broadway con podcast. Okay, so let's start. So this is the 10th. I believe the first one ever was in 2016. Andrew Rapp, who was the in rent, he and one or two other people decided to be cool to have a convention about Broadway.

And so they started one. The very first one had a lot of issues with it. There was a giant blizzard in the middle of it. And now they have a tradition every year where they call people up because a lot of people couldn't make it to the convention because of the blizzard. And so they were calling people up during it and it became a tradition, which is kind of interesting by the way. I love how bugs can become features if you will. But anyway, okay.

So the interesting thing about this one is my Rachel and I had planned to go once we found out it was in February. And then we found out a week and a half before the event that the venue had moved that it was it was still in New It's in New York City. It was still in New York City but it had moved from Slightly away from the Times Square to Times Square. I was at the Marriott marquee, which is in the heart of Times Square and so it was I've tried with this before fellows have listened to me do other podcasts

on BroadwayCon, it is a smaller convention. I'm used to like San Diego Comic-Con, stuff that are giant conventions. This is, and in a lot of ways, it's very quaint, I like it. I like the fact that it's this very small in the community and that it's not, you know, it's not quite the chaos of a lot of other conventions I go to because it's smaller and I like that it's a little more personal anyway so it's three days it was February 7th 8th and 9th Friday

Saturday Sunday and so let me walk through what we did. So first our first panel was on theater meme culture. It had a couple that does that carries a didn't write down the name of the thing. They do a website that does memes every day. It's all about Broadway and they had someone with them who was someone who did parody of Lin-Manuel Miranda. So Noah, Samuel, Will Anderson, and Rachel Joyce were the three speakers. And really what they were talking about was how the language of communication has changed. And that one of the things is this current generation, Generation Z and Generation Alpha, I guess, which is the youngest one, has grown up in a world where they speak in visual language and that memes have become a very common way to express things. of entertaining and adapting and and talking especially the younger people about Broadway is embracing the idea that you know there are new forms and

obviously they do you know memes memes aren't inherently humor I mean they don't have to be humor most of them are humor most of us you're making commentary about stuff and there's a lot of meme structures. Anyway it was very interesting hearing them talk about creating. Like I create, I make this podcast, I write articles, I do my blog, I create a lot of content and so it's really interesting hearing somebody else talking about their content. For example, one of the things I talked about is sometimes you spend a lot of time and energy on something that you really like and then just falls flat with the audience.

So like, eh, and other times you do something that you just don't think is a big deal at all and it becomes super popular. Now, the one thing that's interesting for me, like with this podcast is I am pretty good about sort of tracking and figuring out when I do something that people like because I Because I speak with you know the audience a lot and I you know people can write into me and communicate when they like something Or when they don't like something Inditionally in magic when I make when I do sets I get a lot of commentary what they don't like but for some reason a lot of my communication stuff

My writing my blog I get a lot of commentary what they don't like. But for some reason, a lot of my communication stuff, my writing, my blog, I get a lot more, I liked that rather than I didn't like that. And so a lot of the commentary I tend to get, it's more, oh, that was fun, do more of that. Like for example, recently, I tried this new thing where I recorded a podcast right when I handed off a set. And then I held onto it for two I handed off a set and then I held on to it for two and a half years and then I played it when aether drift came

out because it was about aether drift and that was what really well people really like that luckily I've done more so that that worked out but um so it's really interesting to see what people like and I try I try to replicate the stuff that I see the audience likes. And if I get negative stuff, I, you know, there's a lot of lessons and listening to somebody else whose job it is to be a content provider, it is very informative and fun.

And the other thing I realize is I tend to be very long form in my communication. I write 3000 word articles. I record 30 minute podcasts I do want to figure out how to Do more conveying of things in shorter bite sizable forms I mean, I understand my podcast is 30 minutes instead of two hours, which is a little more bite sizable for a podcast But I really want to figure out how to make communication. How do I take content and make it more bite sizable and more something people can appreciate

in a few seconds rather than having dedicate minutes or an hour or something that you can do that. How do I do that? So that's something I'm very interested in. Okay. that you can do that. How do I do that? So that's something I'm very interested in. Okay, the second panel we went to was called Broadway's First Look. And the idea here is they talk to Broadway shows and they say to them,

hey, we have an audience full of Broadway fans. If you would like to come and, you know, sort of advertise your show, and by advertising your show is send one or two, one or more of your performers and have them sing a song. And so a bunch of different, some of them are upcoming. So I guess there's first look, which is things that aren't out yet or just came out.

And then there's some stuff for shows that are already out, just sort of reminding you they're out. So most of these were done by the actual cast. The very first one there's a new show called Redwood starring Idina Mizal. Idina Mizal was not there somebody else one of the actresses from Six sang the song but they sang a song from it. Kyle Wilcox sang the song from Redwood which is a is a brand new show. Real Women Have Curves, which was a movie starring America Ferrera, her first big movie,

they are making a musical. One of the big trends for those that don't know musicals is musicals more and more have been relying on adapting existing material taking movies and TV shows and stories the audience already knows and and bringing them to Broadway there are some original but a lot a lot of them are sourced from other places so anyway they've taken the movie it's an all latina cast the movie was all Latina cast, mostly women. And anyway, they had the lead star, the part that America Forever played.

She came and did a solo. And then all five of the main women actresses came and sang a group song. Singing Real Woman of Curves, I guess, the theme song of the main song of the show. I guess the theme song of the main song of the show. Then there was two people from Music City, which is what is known as a jukebox musical. A jukebox musical means that they're not original songs, that you're singing known songs. Mamma Mia, for example, might be one of the most famous of the jukebox musicals. That's just songs from ABBA. There's a bunch of different ways you get jukebox musicals. That's just songs from ABBA. There's a bunch of different ways you get

Jukebox musicals. Sometimes it's about the performers, Jersey Boys for example. Sometimes it is thematic. It's like Mamma Mia, it's all the same singer. Sometimes it's the same songwriter and Juliette is all the same songwriter. But anyway, Music City is doing a country Jukbach musical. So it's a Jukbach musical, but all the songs are country. They sing a song, play guitar and sing a song. And then two members of the wonderful world cast, that is a bio pick about Louis Armstrong. They sang When You're Smiling, which is a big Louis Armstrong song. Then the cast of Six also, for those that know six, it's about the six wives of Henry VIII.

It's done kind of like a rock concert sort of, and each of the women sings a song. And then there's three songs, all of them sing together. So there's nine songs total. Anyway, I had a chance to see, I haven't seen it on Broadway, but to see I haven't seen on Broadway but I saw it I was on a cruise ship I saw it on a cruise ship but anyways it's super fun and they sang two songs then there was a musical from the movie Saw. Yes the movie Saw they sang two songs including one with the puppet and it's more tongue-in-cheek I mean it is saw so it's all but the the you

could tell from the songs that they were very it was a much more of a comedy musical which I guess I mean there's horror elements then someone came from Titanic which is a musical how to describe Titanic it is about it takes place I think at a Titanic Museum and Celine and Dan shows up and starts doing a tour. I think and anyway They sing the song tell him and then and Juliet that and Juliet is a musical that What happened if Juliet didn't stay with Romeo and didn't die and sort of lived her own life. It's called Ann Juliette.

It's also a jukebox musical. All the songs in it were written by the same writer. There are a lot of famous songs performed by a lot of different people, but the common bond is the same writer. So anyway, that was just fun. One of the neat things about something like Broadway, especially musicals, is it really is easy to sample them by showing off songs and just getting people come and singing. It was super fun.

Next, we went to a podcast. So my daughter Rachel had seen this. I haven't seen it. There's a bunch of parody musicals in Hollywood. There's one for The Office, there's one for Friends, and there's one for Seinfeld. And the idea is to kind of condense all the seasons down into like one musical. They reference a lot of the plots, there's a lot of in-jokes, all the main characters are there.

So this was, they had the cast of The office and they were just sort of walking through what it's like to like run the show All the entire I think the entire cast was there both the stage managers were there And they were just sharing stories and there's a lot of fun things They talked a little bit about how the swings work so for those who don't know in musicals there are people who aren't necessarily on stage every day but they are prepared so when someone isn't there they go on in their place. Technically an understudy is somebody who's in the show but they fill in for somebody else's part while swing isn't normally in the show but anyway, um, so that was a lot of fun, it was just neat seeing behind the scenes and talking to people and One of the things that I really enjoy and I

Enjoy it as a fan so it's really fun to go and see to hear the behind-the-scenes stories from people talking about how they make it and really to hear the behind the scenes stories from people talking about how they make it. And it really reminds me of like, hey, there's something so compelling about behind the scenes content. Obviously that's my core content, but it's always cool to remind myself

when I get to somewhere where I'm the fan, not the content maker, but the fan, of how really much fun it is to see people from behind the scenes and hear the stories and just take something that you know really well and just learn about, oh, how did that thing get made or what are the kind of things you might not even know about? Like one of the theme lines in a lot of the podcasts, not the podcasts, the panels I saw was them telling stories about the chaos behind the scenes, but the reality is if they do

their job correctly, you the audience have no idea any of that is happening. Next, we went to a panel on immersive theater called A Story About You, immersive theater and bringing the audience into the heart of the story. So the idea of immersive theater for those who don't know is when it's not just you are in the audience and they are up on stage and you are sort of passive observers.

The idea of immersive theater is that they come, like maybe you walk around in space and you interact with actors who are there. Or my family went to a murder mystery where we're having dinner, but the different actors are coming and talking to you. And there's a lot, you the audience, you gotta solve the mystery. The idea of immersive theater is,

you the audience aren't playing a passive role. You're playing a very active role. And the neat thing about this panel, I've been to panels before at immersive theater, at BroadwayCon actually, but this one spent a lot of time talking about a lot of the technique. Like, okay, you're going to have a theater in which the people are interacting with the audience, and that means things will happen that you don't expect. How do you deal with that?

You know, how do you deal with the idea that wild things, when you have a play and you're up on stage, that's all planned. You know what's gonna happen. Yeah, wild things can happen, like I said, mistakes can happen or whatever, but pretty much you know what's going on. It's pretty set.

When you involve other people who are not normally part of the show and you bring them in to make them part of the show, things are gonna happen. And that's one of the really cool parts about immersive theater, but they were spending a lot of time talking about, okay, how do you handle that? And so it was really interesting. It was really like, for example, they spent a lot of time talking about safety, talking

about how you handle people, you know, how you approach them. They really walked us through how you make sure that people are okay with you, how to make sure that you and your fellow actors are safe, and it was really technical but it was really interesting. And then drummed home to me another sort of thing is there's a lot of behind the scenes technical stuff that I once upon a time I thought was kind of dry, you know, like well, but the more I shared that technical stuff with people, the more people really liked it. And but the more I shared that technical stuff with people the more people really liked it like I remember I did a My very first nuts and bolts columns was on card codes

Just trying to explain here's how we order our file Literally, here's codes we use so if you see you a 25. What does that mean? Oh, that's an uncommon artifact the 25th one, you know, like it the and The more I sort of dug in and really talked about the nitty-gritty I mean, it's not for everybody But there's an audience that really gets into that and that I really I started doing a whole series of nuts and bolts columns to say Okay, you want to make a magic set? Let's dive in deep Let's talk about set skeletons and let's talk about creature percentages and ratios and

as fan and like really technical stuff that like you don't really need to know to enjoy magic you don't have to understand the concept of as fans and enjoy magic but you need to understand the concept as fan to make magic or to appreciate how we make magic and so it really sort of hammered home the idea that like There is really an audience for the really crunchy technical part and I need to provide that Okay, then we had game night. So game night is they got a bunch of Broadway celebrities and I think a few members of the audience were there too. And so they did for game night was They played four games First was named that tune

The hilarious part of that was Anthony rap, like I said one of the founders of A Broadway con was one of the one of the participants in game night and his fellow teammate The they were playing I named that tune and it was a song I think that Anthony's saying in rent and his partner could not get it And Anthony was like dying like how do you not know this? So they played Name That Tune, they play show tunes you got to name them They did charades where they gave them the names of plays And the funny thing about that is how fast they got they I think they did most of them in under five seconds

Which was interesting they played a game called what's in the box where the idea is you show somebody something in the box and they have to say to their to the other team what's in the box but there are a lot of lie and then the other team has to guess whether or not they're telling the truth or lying and they get a point if they correctly guess whether they're lying or telling the truth. Turns out nobody ever lied the entire time there were weird things in the box but nobody ever lied the entire time. There were weird things in the box, but nobody ever lied, which was interesting. And then the last one, they played a game where they gave terms and you would identify

whether it was a sport term, a football term, or a dancing term. And the funny thing was that the biggest problem with it as a game was the actors were pretty familiar with dancing terms. So sort of like, oh, I know that that's a dancing term or I don't know that must be a football term. So anyway, it was a little chaotic. One of the things I find interesting is there are a couple of different games they play there. And every

time I've been to one of them, the, the, the gamer in me, it is, it is always a little more chaotic than it needed to be They like supposedly it's being scored but no one really keeps the score and not that is important that it scored I understand that but it's just Like there's a through line that the person who's running the MC Doesn't always seem to know how the games work like the MC should know how the games work. So anyway Okay, that was Friday on Saturday our first panel was the journey to your Broadway debut

Debut so there was a podcast called survival jobs who interview actors and talking about things they did Before or during or after then making it on Broadway and they got the cast of a show called English. So English is currently on Broadway. It's a Pulitzer Prize winning screen, not screenplay, play. And it's about, it takes place in Iran, I believe, in a classroom where they're learning English as a second language.

They have to take a test. And there's a teacher and four students so it's a five-person play all five of the cast members were there it for all five it was the first time they were on Broadway and anyway it was a really it was one of my favorite panels of the whole weekend it's I and I haven't even seen the play I don't know the play. It was fascinating to me and I haven't even seen the play. Just to hear about sort of the nature of what the play meant to them and how the play came about. One of the stories and I heard the story again and again is it is

hard to get a play to Broadway. Every story about how I got my play to Broadway is like, okay, a bunch of things went our way and you know, uh, and like I said, this is a Pulitzer Pulitzer Prize winner play. Um, but it's, it's a topic. Uh, there's not a lot of Iranian actors that you see on stage. That's why all of them was their first time on a Broadway stage. And um, a lot of them has a very good conversation.

Like one of the through lines was is this the best thing I'm ever going to do like I love this piece it's amazing I'm so great to work on it but will I find other things that have this sort of you know they talked a lot about it's hard for you know people of miniature descent on Broadway like there's not a lot of parts and a lot of the parts are very stereotypical and not something you're particularly proud of or don't have the depth that you would want. And this play had it in spades, right? These were all really three dimensional cool characters that, um, anyway, so it was, it was really neat and interesting. And, um, it just reminded me one of my thing about one of the things I tried to do in this podcast is

I like to bring on guests. Uh, and one of the big reasons is, A, I've made a lot of podcasts and guests know things I don't know. So it's good material. But also I love you to hear firsthand from other people. Magic is not, it's not like I sit alone and make magic. It's a giant group endeavor. And so I love pulling as many people possible just so you can get sense of all the different people and all the different things

They care about I really even tried to do a bunch of different podcasts on lots of different kinds of things like and so This really sort of hammered home to me that hearing other people and hearing their voices directly not just telling stories about it But hearing it in their own voice how important that is and so I will continue Maybe I'll even do more interviews. I really like doing interviews and I like, I really like picking people,

talking about things that you might not know about. And then maybe you've never even heard about or thought about, but somebody has to do it and that's their job. And hearing about that seems really cool. Okay. The next panel was called the Next Stage Playwriting Path for Student Artists. And the idea of this panel was called the Next Stage Playwriting Path for Student Artists.

The idea of this panel was talking about how do you find new artists? How do you... Basically, they're all programs that work with children and allow children. I mean, up to 19, I believe. There were different programs, people that ran different programs, talking about like how do you find new voices? And so and one of the one of the people there, what was his name? Where is it? One of them had just He'd

Was the max Friedlich? I he had just had a play on Broadway that Rachel had seen called Jobs. Job, Job. It's a two person play and afterward Rachel and I were talking with him and like he was just telling the story of how his play got to Broadway and it's like he wrote this play and he put it on and there's a contest at a local theater in New York and like 10 plays got picked and those plays got put on and then they'd vanned through a process until one of them won and the one that won got like a week's worth of plays on the main stage and then there was enough buzz off that and there was like a TikTok, some TikTok personality

that really liked it and got it, it became hot on TikTok and then the writer strike was going on so a bunch of actors managed to come see it and there were some buzz and then anyway and then the smallest Broadway theater opened up and they were looking for a play and this was a cheap play to do because there's two people on one set and anyway sort of and his play ended up becoming a Broadway play. And so this idea of just how you get there, how you do that. And it reminded me a lot, one of the questions I get all the time is people saying I want to be a game designer, I want to make magic, you know, I want to do what you do, how do

I do that? And that is why I try, like why I do nuts and bolts. Why I run the great designer searches. Like why I try and find opportunities to help give people an opportunity that might not normally have an opportunity. Like one of the things I'm very proud of with the great designer search is I have a lot of people working on magic still to this day that I don't know would have necessarily easily got through the door. I don't know would have necessarily easily got through the door.

I don't know. They're very talented. But one of the real challenges in anything is, and like I said, this is time and time again all the stories I heard is there are a lot of talented actors and writers and you know, but how do you become a broad? How do you get on Broadway? And that that's a hard talent. It's a hard task. it's a hard journey.

And anyway, just hearing about different people and how they did it was interesting. So I do wanna make sure that I have content on the avenues in, I've done some of this, I think I should do more, but I thought that was really interesting. And I wanna make sure that there are avenues for young people to, you know, we need fresh blood and we need new voices and we need new perspectives and that's important.

Next, put it in writing, a conversation with Broadway playwrights. So they talked to Charles Kirsch, David Lindsay, a bear, Doug Wright and Jen Silverman and David Henry Huang. Oh, Charles Kirsch was the MC. Anyway, they talked to four Broadway players, players who have been on Broadway, some of them many times, about what it's like to be a Broadway writer.

And as someone who is a writer, and my background obviously is in writing fiction, it's very fascinating. And once again, one of the themes that went through this panel is that part of being creative is failing. And that, what was his name? David Henry Hwang, he told a story

about how he had done the book for M. Butterfly, very famous musical, and then he wrote a play sort of based on that experience. And it just utterly flopped. And then, and it took him a while to sort of come to this conclusion. Sometimes when you have failures, it takes a little while to realize it. He realized that it was a good idea,

it was a bad execution. And so he rewrote, he made a new play using the same sort of premise of the original play and that ended up becoming a play called Yellow Face that went on Broadway and the real thrill and those were interesting to me is the idea that or another story they told that Kimberly Akimbo Who wrote that? One of his writers wrote that. He had written it as a play and one of the very first things he wrote, he wrote it as a play, not as a musical. And he later came back and said, you know what?

This has the bones for being an interesting musical. And so he wrote lyrics for it and got someone to do the music and it won a Tony for best musical. for best musical and so anyway it really sort of hammered home the idea of a lot of creation is making mistakes or trying something but not executing it right and a lot of good design is analyzing what you've done and try to figure out hey okay I did it wrong but was there a germ of a good idea there the kind of classic example in magic was we made Chroma, which I really, really liked, and it failed.

People did not like Chroma. And then in Theros, we were like, you know what? Maybe we just did it wrong, and we brought it back as devotion. And we changed a few things, and we cleaned it up and gave it better flavor, and produced better cards, and did a bunch of things. But in the end, devotion became a huge mechanic so like I think my gut idea of the core

idea of this is a good mechanic and when it failed okay what I didn't serve the mechanic well what did I the designer need to do okay sorry next up was weight in the wings so this is a series online. It's a documentary series and this weight in the wings what they do is they talk mostly to talk about a Hollywood, not Hollywood, Broadway failures. I've heard him talk in previous years about like the Spider-Man musical. One year he talked about the biggest five flops in Broadway history. But anyway, this year he screened one of his shows called Star Kids Riskiest Show, The Trail to Oregon.

And it's talking about this group that put on this play online and they did the Oregon Trail based on the, I mean, based on the video game, the Oregon Trail based on the actual Oregon Trail. And the thing that I was not ready for for was I thought this example of just a thing that went horribly wrong And it turned out it was a big hit Which was really interesting because a I thought he only did like I thought he only did Bob's like I was not prepared for it

To be a big hit, but it was really interesting talking about how they had done that summer They had done two plays the star kids one was a parody of Star Wars called Annie and I and one sure for Anakin and one was this Oregon trail to Oregon and the one that you thought would have been the surefire success failed and the one that sounded risky they just believed would implode was the success and that was really telling and I don't know very a very interesting thing to me of how you don't always implode was the success and that was really telling and I Very a very interesting thing to me of how you don't always quite know what will succeed What won't succeed and that use a lot of evidence to try to look at what you've done before But anyway that spoke to my heart

Okay, then we went to I think all Broadway breakdown with Matt Coplick And guests Gray Henson. And so the audience, they let us choose between Oklahoma, Sweeney Todd, Mean Girls and Les Miserables. Everybody put their votes in a bowl. They randomly picked one of them out, Les Miserables won. They spent an hour just talking about Les Miserables. And I will say I was super impressed with Matt Koplik.

He knew so much. I mean, his guests also knew a lot. But they just talked for an hour about leaving this world and talked about all sorts of different things and it was really interesting. Something that I might try on my podcast is the idea of what if I just pick a topic and like instead of planning out the whole topic, which I normally do, what if I just picked a topic that I thought was meaningful and say okay and sort of do free Just free free thought anyway. I'm something that it's exciting to me. Okay, then on Sunday almost done here Coverage for the crew Broadway swings and subs

So this was about people that worked on shows Not as the regular people that did the things and we had someone who did sound and props and costumes and hair but the people who Subbed in when those people weren't there like I talked earlier about swings for actors there's swings for every single role if the prop guy has a conflict well someone's got to be the swing for the prop guy and do the props so anyway it was and it's interesting talking to all these people that were trying to make an holly and this is like their way in like they're starting as a

Sub or a swing and that one day as you know, you just be a swing long enough You make the change one day you're the prop guy and not just the swing It was really interesting hearing sort of the ways in One thing maybe I thought maybe I'll do is a podcast where I talk about what were people doing before they were magic designers That might be a fun podcast. Okay, and the final the final event I went to before I had to leave My last of Broadway con was Broadway Broadway com feud, which was their version of family feud They've done in the past and they each year to get slightly better The problem they had in previous years was they would ask people and people would just give wrong answers

because they didn't know. Like name a Sondheim musical and one of the answer was Mary Poppins. He never made Mary Poppins so there's no way no one would guess Mary Poppins. Like it's one thing to guess actual Sondheim but you're not gonna guess things that aren't even Sondheim. I think the audience might think Mary Poppins is a Sondheim. So this time they fixed that. Everything they asked in fact was in the category though. Some were harder to guess than others. One team was professional Broadway actors, the other was fans.

The actors won. And anyway, they asked all sorts of fun things. Name a Broadway musical song starting with O, name a Tony Winning play, name a theater. They did a bunch of things. The one thing I find really interesting is the MC, the host, who I thought was very, very funny, I liked her a lot, did not understand how the game worked at all. The audience was constantly just correcting her, like no

do this, no do that. And as somebody who's run game shows, like, how do you not know how the game show works? But anyway, it was super fun, though, it was very fun. And okay, so anyway, I will sum up, I had a great time at Broadway, Rachel and I, it's fun hanging with my daughter, my eldest daughter. And it's a love that we share. And it really is, like I said, it's fun to be the fan. It fun to not be the content creator but the content absorber I mean I learned a lot and there's a lot of things that I really like I said the reason why I like doing this Podcast is a it just shows you a different aspect of me and maybe you learn a few things for those that don't know anything about Broadway

But it's really cool and it just it's really interesting insight into watching like learning how and it just it's really interesting insight into watching like learning how how you can present stuff and I took a lot of stuff I took away that I will experiment with because I there's things that I really liked and how people did things so anyway that was my trip to BroadwayCon 2025. So hope you guys enjoyed this but I'm now at work so we all know what that means means instead of talking magic and Broadway it's time for me to make magic I'll see you guys next time bye bye