Magic: The Gathering Drive to Work Podcast - #721: White-Black

Episode Date: March 13, 2020

This podcast is another in my two-color philosophy series. This time, I start talking about my first enemy color pair, white-black.

I'm pulling away driveway. We all know what that means. It's time for the drive to work. Okay, so today is another in my two-color philosophy series. I've done all five of the allied color combinations. White, blue, blue, black, black, red, red, green, and green, white. So that means I'm moving on to the enemy combination. So I'm going to start with white, black. Okay, so the enemy color works a little bit different than the ally color, but we'll get there. Okay, first up, let me once again run over the basics of the two colors.

White seeks peace through structure. What that means is white just, white believes that we have all the resources we need for everyone to be happy, to have their needs met. And the key to doing that is for us all to work together and make decisions that prioritize the group as a whole. Because if we make individual decisions or selfish decisions, some will suffer while others thrive. But if we all work together, we can make it so everybody is happy. Black is about power through opportunity.

Black believes that it's each person's responsibility to look out for themselves. And so your individual goal is to do as much as you can to gain power for yourself. And black believes the way you do that is through opportunity. What that means is that there's a lot of ways that people self-censor themselves. Black is like, you just have to be willing to do what it takes to get what you want. That the key to getting what you want is just the willingness, the ruthlessness, you know, the ability to take opportunities when they come up. And so that is black.

Okay, so what happens when white and black get together? Now, these guys are enemies, right? They, the conflict of, so, with enemies,

I'm going to start with their conflict and then I'll do their ally because their core identity is based on their conflict with allies, they're reversed. Okay, so what is the core conflict

of white versus black? Well, white is about the good of the group and black is about the good of the group, and black is about the good of the individual. White says that I should, you know, white's ideal is that I make every decision I can such that I'm making sure I help the group,

even if I make decisions that might be personally bad for me. Black is the flip side. Black says you should make every decision that is the best decision for yourself, that each person should look out for themselves, that the role of an individual is to make sure that their needs are met first. Now, be aware, it is not that white is anti-individual. If white has opportunities to make a decision,

and the path to make is equal for the group, white makes a decision, and the path to make is equal for the group. White make a decision that helps the individual. Black, likewise, if black's making a decision that's good for the individual in both cases, black might make a decision that's good for the group. It is not that white or black, it's not that white can't ever care about the individual or black can't ever care about the group. It's a matter of priority. White believes you're supposed to prioritize the group and make decisions that maximize the goodness of the group, it's a matter of priority. White believes you're supposed to prioritize the group

and make decisions that maximize the goodness of the group, how well the group is doing. Black is trying to make sure that you make decisions based on how good individually. And really, it just comes down to, from a philosophical standpoint, white is like, we are best if we work together, and black is like, we are best if we work together, and black is like,

we are best if everybody has an advocate, and that advocate is you, because you're the person that knows what you're thinking and knows how you're feeling and has your perspective. Black's whole point is, there's nobody better to look out for you than you.

And if white and black look at each other, white looks at the system of black and says, oh, there's inequality. Some people are thriving while others are suffering. In my way, no one suffers. And black looks at white and says, okay, maybe you took away suffering, but you took away accomplishment. No one's accomplishing anything.

You know, if everybody's trying to do something for the group, but there's no individual acclaim, there's no individual, like, where people have needs, you know, oh, the other big difference between white and black is white believes in a sense of morality. So white is big on structure, right? So white, one of the ways white ensures that people do the right thing. White believes that people left to their own devices will make decisions that are either emotional, red,

or selfish, black, that's two enemies. And so white says, I need to help people because people, their base intentions will lead them astray. They'll follow their emotions or they'll follow their selfish impulses and it won't help the group. So I'm going to create, I'm going to use structure to create systems to help reinforce that.

I will create the law, and the law will help reinforce against emotional decisions. It's like, maybe you want to hit somebody, but if you get arrested for hitting them, maybe you shouldn't hit them. And then, white makes religion, or morality, to help against the selfishness. The whole idea of morality is a sense of that there's a greater good

that you need to appeal to. And that white peddles this idea I mean, white is very big on morality and the idea of the reason I'm supposed to be good, the reason I'm supposed to help the group, is it's the right thing to do. Now on the flip side of that is black who is amoral. Black believes morality is a creation of white, meaning it's not a thing that exists. Black is very much on, look, if people inherently are selfish, let's acknowledge they're inherently selfish. Let's not try to make some system that fights against, you know, basic human behavior, you know, and black is like, look,

people are inherently selfish. Why? Because they have their perspective. They see the world through their eyes. You know, if you want everybody to have an advocate, why not have themselves be the advocate? Why not the person that understands you best be the person that advocates for you? And black is just saying, look, I want to make sure that everybody has somebody who is thinking about them. Because, as far as black is concerned, in a white world, there are people that would be so selfless. You know, if you're constantly just helping the group, there are people who would suffer because they're not helping themselves, they're only helping the group. And so each one of them looks at the other and feels like the system is unjust. And so each one of them looks at the other and feels like the system is unjust.

Now, there are some other elements that show opposites. Like, for example, white is about morality, where black is about amorality. The funny thing is, white likes to portray black as being not amoral, but immoral. But we'll get to that in a second. Black isn't technically immoral. Black is amoral. Black doesn't believe in morality. Also, the idea of sort of light and dark. White very much, white's a little sun in its symbol and white very much is about the idea of white doesn't like having secrets. White

believes that secrets cause problems, you know what I'm saying? And so white is very much about having things open and aware. Black is very much about, black does thrive on night in the sense that black looks to find things that others have shunned because for whatever reason they're afraid of it or they're concerned by it. For example, one of black's biggest tools is death. And black is like, death is a very powerful tool. There's all these people that have taboos about it, but that's just people not, you know,

I'm willing to step up and I will use the tools available to me and I'm not afraid of them. So, you know, I will use what I have available to me and if death is a powerful tool, I'll use death. I'm not afraid of death. I'm not afraid of anything. Okay, so... One second.

Okay. And white and black in general, when you look at the conflict between white and black in general, when you look at the conflict between white and black, it very much is just about what you care about and where you put your focus. I know there's people that like to sort of white is good and black is bad, so let me address that for a second.

I think if you're trying to live in a moral framed universe, which is a white... We as society are much more white-inclined than we are black-inclined. So I think it's very easy to see a good-bad paradigm, but that is white's perspective. White's perspective is there's inherent good and inherent evil, and white sees itself as inherent good, and therefore, since black opposes what it stands for,

it represents it as evil. I think black is like, look, I'm trying to do the best I can in the world that exists. I'm trying to be realistic and practical. You know, black believes, I mean, black's the color of realism and pragmatism. It's like, it is nice that, I mean, for example, black looks at white and says, look, I get what white wants, and you know, if you stand back and it's a fairy tale, that's a nice idea. Wouldn't it be nice if there was no, if people didn't have self-interest and just

everybody worked for the greater good. That's not how people function. Like, trying to create a world based on a premise that is not true, that doesn't follow the basics of human nature, that's just a recipe for failure. And so, anyway, I do think from sort of our modern sort of humanistic framing, um, a lot of the things that we consider are good lean toward white, meaning white is more likely to have a stereotypical, um, goody two-shoes kind of, you know, like a,

a chivalrous knight that fights for, you know, for honor. Um, but white, you know, white can also lead you to other things. You can't have evil in white and you can't have goodness in black. You know, that, like I said, we've done protagonists in all the different colors. So it's not, be careful of that one. You know what I'm saying? Like, I think it's fine to talk about a morality versus a morality. But goodness, evil, it's a little bit off in the sense that all the colors can be good or all the colors can be evil. I do agree white is more likely than most colors to lean into good

and black is more likely than most colors to lean into evil but I don't think it inherently makes them good or evil. Okay, next up. So let's talk about what they have in common. Okay, so the first thing to do with an ally color, I'm sorry, with an enemy color, is look at their shared ally, because they have a shared ally. In this case, it's blue. White is allied to blue, and black is allied to blue. So what is blue about? So blue is about the idea of perfection through knowledge. Blue believes you're born of tabula rasa, that you are born on blank slate, and that you could become anything.

And not just you could become anything, but the world you live in could be anything. That blue really has this idea that the goal of life is to be the best that you can be and help make your world the best that it can be. And you do that through knowledge, through education, through experience, through the crafting of tools,

you know, that part of becoming the best you is learning about what the opportunities are. Okay, so let's look at white and black and say, where is that overlap there? Well, one of the things that white and black have in common is this shared element of blue, this idea that you can make things be what you want them to be. Blue is very much about the idea of you have the power to make things be. And I think that white embraces that societally and black embraces it individually. That white and black both believe that you have the ability to shape things. White is all about society. White accepts the idea that societies are far from perfect and says to every person, it is your job

to try to perfect society. It is your job to try to be the best that you can be on a societal level. That part of making a great society is doing things and making things. And that is why white is all about structure. White understands, white gets that people will go astray. But through systems of structure, you can educate people and you can motivate people to do the right thing. Black looks at the idea of the individual that black wants to be the best that it can be so that it has the power that it is looking for

the difference between blue and black and some levels different between blue and white is blue is trying to find the, is trying to find protection in the ideal I want to be the best that I can be not because of personal gain like black

or not because I'm helping people like white. It's just sort of, what is the, like blue is kind of obsessed on what the perfection can be. How can I be the best that I can be? Black warps it toward the idea that I want to be the best that I can be so I can gain the most power. I want to be the best that I, you know, I have a selfish motivation for wanting to be the best that I can be so I can gain the most power. I want to be the best that I can be. I have a selfish motivation for

wanting to be the best that I can be. And that is the big difference between sort of blue and black as far as perfection is black has a goal for its perfection. Where blue on some level doesn't have a goal, the perfection is the goal. Where black wants power. And the idea of perfection is, well, I want to improve myself so that I can gain more power. Likewise, white is all about sort of achieving some sort of sense of peace, right? And so it wants to change society

not to make society the best that it can be in sort of an absolute sense, which is what blue wants, but because it wants its goal. So both black and white use perfection, but as a means to get to its ultimate goal, not as their end goal. So they do share that desire to improve things, but they want to improve things because they want to meet what internally is their own goal, peace or power, respectively. Okay, so now let's talk a little bit about how white and black cooperate. So before we do that, let me talk a little bit about how

enemy colors cooperate. Usually, when enemies' colors get together, the most common way is you will have one color be the ends and one color be the means. And what I mean by that is when you look at enemy, there's two different ways you can look at them, which is how do you combine what they do in a way that meets what the two colors are? And one of the simplest ways to do that is I embrace the goals of one of the colors, but the means of another color. So let's look at both of those. Okay. So white means black ends, black ends, white means. Okay. So white means black ends. Black ends, white means. Okay, so white means black ends. I want

peace, but I'm willing to do what I want. I'm willing to do whatever it takes. So in that version, the idea there is that I believe in a sense of morality. I believe in a sense of right and wrong. But I believe that it's okay So one of the big things about black and white is there's a guy named Prince Machiavelli who was an Italian prince, I think, and he wrote a book and in it

the famous phrase from the book is, the ends justify the means. And what Machiavelli was saying, and there's a phrase, Machiavellian, means that if what you're doing, if the end result is important enough, whatever you need to do to meet those, even if the ways you do it themselves are not good, is justifiable from a moral sense. And so when you get white and black together with white goal and black means, that's when you start getting to immorality. And the idea is black saying,

hey, I have a moral justification that if I need to do immoral things as a means to reach a moral end state, that is acceptable. And so the idea there is that white has chosen something that it values, that it thinks is important, and then it's going to do whatever it needs to do to get there. And that whatever it needs to do can be out of black's playbook. Do I have to kill things? Do I have to blackmail?

Like, what do I got to do? What do I got to do to get the good result that I want to do? So that kind of white-black very much is about I have a righteous cause, but man, I'm willing to do anything to get there. The other thing that you can see with white with a black ends is sometimes, well I'll get there in a second so a black means with a white end is

I want to get power and I'm going to use the tools of white to get my power, I'm going to use the tools of light to get my power. I'm going to use structure. I'm going to use law and religion and I'm going to use whatever tool I have necessary, meaning I will train other people that they need to be selfless such that I can take advantage of that for more power for me.

I can turn their selflessness as a tool for me for power. And in this one, you start to see a corruption of a lot of white sources. Corruption of religion, corruption of law. People who are in storytelling, like the idea of the corrupt cop is a common trope that you might see. Where the idea is, I represent sort of a thing of good, but I'm doing evil with it. Okay, so you can see that the enemies can go either directions. Now, there also is a third one, which is more the compromise between the two.

And in white-black, that compromise seems to be that I am giving preference to a subset. So the idea is that subset is not all of humanity, but the subset is larger than me, the individual. So to me, a classic example of a white-black character that represents this idea is a character named Magneto. So for those that don't know, Magneto is from the comic books, from Marvel Comics. So there are characters named the X-Men.

So the X-Men are mutants so in the Marvel Universe mutants are people that are just born with superpowers normally they don't start showing up until they hit adolescence but the idea is I'm born, I'm different, I have some sort of power to me it is not something I it wasn't like the cause of an accident or something

I wasn't bitten by a radioactive spider I was just born with powers, just the powers that I was born with. And mutants are, many people in the Marvel Universe, the general humanity, is afraid of mutants. And there's a lot of discrimination against mutants. So in the Marvel Universe, there are two major figures that are sort of the leaders of the mutants. One is Professor X. And Professor X is like, mutants and humans need to get along. We need to show humans they need not be afraid of us. And we need to live in peace with the humans. A very white sort of strategy. Magneto is like,

I need to prioritize the needs of the mutants, and whatever I need to do to make sure that mutants are well-kept, I will do. If that means harm to the humans, and some of the times Magneto's plans have been to kill the humans, because if the humans are a problem for the mutants, well, maybe the solution there been to kill the humans because if the humans are a problem for the mutants, well maybe the solution there is to kill the humans so be it so the idea, which is interesting

it's very white black, is this idea that Magneto is not selfish in the sense that he's not looking out for himself he is looking out for his group he very much cares about his group, but but, he will do what it takes to protect his group.

So the idea is, it has the group-caring element of white, but the selfish quality of black. And the way it sort of carves that out is by having a subset. So I think about the group in that I'm more than myself, but I'm selfish in that I'm not thinking about all, everybody, I'm thinking about a subset of that. And that's a very common way that you can see white-black, where the faction is like, we prioritize ourselves,

but it's all of us, it's not one single thing. Like, mono-black is a lot more, but each individual in a mono-black faction would be out for their own gain. Where in a white-black faction, they at least work together, because they have the shared goal of being for this group. Okay, what next? Let's see.

Okay, so, what does white-black care about? So, like I said, white-black, whenever you do any color, the three options available to you are the means of one color, or the ends of one color, the means of the other color. So one color is gold, the other color is tools. Or there's a combination where they sort of come together where it's kind of half of one and half of the other.

All of those are valid. One of the things that's very interesting to me is that there's a lot of richness in enemy colors coming together. Because they inherently, they have a conflict built into them.

There's an element, like, one of the things about the ally colors from a philosophical standpoint is that they represent the overlap of two colors to a certain extent. They represent what they have in common. I think when you get enemies together, it's a little bit different. And that understanding their conflict... Like, one of the things that is very interesting is the idea that there are similarities

in the polar opposites. That, you know, oppos attract, sort of thing. That white and black, that if you dig down deep, you find some similarities between them. So, for example, white and black have an absolutism to them. That white truly believes in its sense of morality and that it will go to the ends of the earth to do what it believes to be moral. Black, likewise,

really is, you know, black's whole philosophy is I need to do what I gotta do. That whatever it takes, I will do that. And that white and black share this absolutism that is not seen nearly as much by the other colors. And at some level, there's something that drives white and black that says, like, white believes because it is fighting for the greater good, that, you know, because white believes in morality,

because white believes the absolutism of morality makes white feel like it has to sort of push back normal boundaries. And black sort of ruthlessness, likewise, does the same, where it really pushes beyond boundaries because it feels the need to do that. likewise does the same, where it really pushes beyond boundaries because it feels the need to do that. And so white and black definitely have an absolutism that you don't see in the other colors. The other thing that pops up is that white and black both see the value of bringing groups together. The funny thing is, white brings groups together

because it sees the strength of the group as a means to empower the group. Where black brings groups together because it sees the power of the group to strengthen the individual. Like, it's interesting that white and black both use religion. They're the two colors that,

I mean, green uses spirituality, but white and black are the two colors that both use religion. They're the two colors that, I mean, green uses spirituality, but white and black are the two colors that most uses religion. The reason white uses religion is because of the sense of absolutism, because of the sense of morality of, you know, I believe so firmly in the things I believe, I want to preach these, and I want other people to believe in them so that people act correctly. You know, that white uses religion as a teaching tool and as a means by which to control the base instincts of people. You know, the reason white has religion is I need people to do the right thing,

and they might not do it on their own, so I'll create a tool to help them do the right thing. And they might not do it on their own, so I'll create a tool to help them do the right thing. Black-white means, well, I'll use religion as a means to understand that people have this inherent need, that you can tap into that inherent need as a means for power. And so, white and black's view of religion is very different. White respects the sanctity of it. Black appreciates the power of it. So, you know, each color uses the tools, but uses them very differently.

Like, for example, clerics in magic are a creature type that appears only in black, or mostly appears in black and white, because those are religion-based colors. A little color, I need that to work. Okay, so let's talk a little bit about the strengths and weaknesses of white-black. Okay, so one of the strengths, probably the biggest strength, is you're getting two colors of absolutism together. Like of any two-color combination, the color that believes it is justified in what it does,

the color that will stop at no end to get what it needs, is white-black. You know what I'm saying? It has the fanaticism of white, and it has the ruthlessness of black. Like, for example, if you're going to get an enemy, you do not white black as an enemy. White black will not give up.

White black is stubborn. White black will hang in there because white black believes what it believes with, you know, like I think white black's strength is that it has focus.

It has drive. You know, it is about the thing that it's about. It has drive. You know, it is about the thing that it's about. And the interesting thing is, even when you look at, like, white and black means, white is like, I'm doing a just thing. I must do what it takes. I will be absolute. Or black means, with the white means,

is I need to get what I'm going to get, so I'm going to, you know, abuse the system however I need to abuse the system. Or even in sort of the shared white-black, we're talking about the good of the subgroup. I'm going to care about that subgroup, and I'm going to fight to the end of my breath. That white-black strength really comes from the idea that because I believe, and I believe so fervently, and I believe so much, and my philosophy is one of I'm going to do what it takes.

White black has a drive like no other color. White black really believes, like, it's not just a drive, but it is a call to action that is just so firm and is so driven. Okay. Now, for those that follow me all the time, I always say that your greatest weakness is your greatest strength pushed too far. So white has a belief and a drive

and is willing to do what it takes to get the job done. Okay, well, let's push that to the extreme. Well, the problem is white black lacks empathy. That white-black is so sure of its own way, is so sure of what it wants, that it can't see other people's perspectives. That one of the things, the downside of having this drive, this focus, this absolutism, is you are just

not focused on anything but what you're focused on. It has a very important lack of focus. And by lack of focus, meaning it doesn't have the ability to understand the needs of others. And that is a big, big weakness. That means you are so caught up in what you. That means you are so caught up in what you are doing. You are so caught up in what you need and what is important for you. And what that means is that black-white is not super flexible. That black-white is not...

So, once again, one of the ways that's interesting is one of the ways to look at the strengths and weaknesses is look at the strengths of the colors and combine them. Look at the weaknesses of the colors and combine them. Okay, so white strength is the power of the group. And, you know, white strength is, it's sort of, it's faith, it's absolutism, it's ability to know it's doing what's right.

And black's power is ruthlessness. So get those together, absolutism and ruthlessness is fanaticism, right? Okay, so let's look at the weakness. White is inflexible and black is uncaring, right? And black is uncaring. Right? White's problem is it is so structured in the way that it's structured that it's not adaptable at all. It doesn't have the ability.

It's non-flexible. Black's problem is it so cares about itself. It's so focused on its needs that it just doesn't care about anybody else. You know, it is heartless. Okay, well, when you take inflexibility and heartlessness, you get, when white blood gets together, it has no empathy.

It lacks empathy. And so, the biggest problem with white black is it is the most uncaring. Well, sorry. It is the most caring of the thing it cares about and the most uncaring of everything else. So if you're within the group that white black cares about, oh man, you are taken care of. You are prioritized. you are one, you matter. But if you are outside of that group, you are fodder. Black-white does not care. You are not worthy of importance. And you are dispendable for the needs of the group.

And so that is the biggest weakness, I think, of white-black, is this complete lack of empathy, this complete lack of caring for others. So what else can I say? So what does the color combination like and dislike? I will say that white-black, um, is very, it's funny, um, on some level, uh, one of the things we talk about in any colors, it's very interesting looking at the, um, shared ally, that you see a lot of the elements there, that one of the things that black-white very much does is it definitely

it values it sort of between them definitely has a value share that cares about some of the stuff that blue values for a different reason than blue values them. But like black-white sees knowledge as a means to get what it wants. And it sees tools as a means to get what it wants. And it sees tools as a means to get what it wants. Like, black-white is very driven in what it wants, but the one thing about black-white, because it has a shared blue, is that it doesn't feel bounded by what is.

It very much feels the ability that it can adapt and change. And so one of the good or bad things, I guess, about white-black is that it is constantly on the lookout to find better things to improve achieving what it wants. If it finds new tools, it'll exploit them. If it finds people, it'll exploit them. If it finds new techniques, it'll exploit them. White and black very much is about exploitation of whatever resources you have to get the thing that it wants.

And the interesting thing is that white appreciates systems and black appreciates ruthlessness. And so the ruthlessness of the systems is very interesting. You see some of this in mono-black. Mono-black definitely has a little bit of using organizations for its own means. But it doesn't have white. White has an aptitude for groups that black does not have because black is so focused on the individual

that black doesn't understand the nature of groups, or white does. And so when you take white's expertise of groups with black's willingness to push things and black's sort of amorality, white-black is definitely the color combination that exploits groups the most. I will say in general, black-white has a lot of exploitation to it. Now, on the plus side, on the positive side,

I think white-black also is the color that goes to the mat for its people. That there's no color combination that... Like, if you want to be in a group and you want your group to look out for you, you want your group to care about you, white-black is the group that says, I'm going to the mat for the group. I care about the group. And there is a sense of belonging. Like, one of the reasons that people might go to white-black is if you are within the group, there is a huge sense of belonging. There's a very much, you are part of us.

And in us versus them, there's a lot of, you know, us always comes against them. Now the funny thing is internal and within the structure of white black, there's hierarchy and stuff there. And it's quite possible you know, that white-black very much uses the structure that white brings to the table, but the self-induced of black creates the hierarchy. So in a white-black structure,

everybody's not equal within a white-black structure. There's hierarchy within a white-black structure. And those higher in the structure take advantage of those lower in the structure. But, they will prioritize the needs of the group above those outside the group. So, for example, if you belong in the group, the group will, well, you are above everything outside the group.

Maybe within the group there's a hierarchy, but outside the group you're more valuable than that. And so there definitely is, white-black has this feeling of, when you belong to the group, you feel welcomed, you feel connected. And white-black brings with it a sense of belonging. That's another big thing I think for white-black. It's funny. White-green also has a sense of belonging in the sense that you're part of a bigger picture.

So, like, white-green sense of belonging is the sense of community. You belong to something. Where white-black sense of community is a sense of prioritization. My group prioritizes me and will act as such. Like, one of the things is white-green, for example,

that's very much about the group, will act in the interest of the group, but not in the interest of the individual. Well, black-white very much is the idea of we will protect all our individuals at the cost of anybody outside of our group. So one of the reasons you might be in a white-black group is there's a sense of belonging that happens

that a lot of people would connect to. And like I said, I think for a lot of people, the idea of belonging to something and that something has meaning and purpose and there's others that you share that meaning and purpose with, it's quite powerful. Like my idea of all of these when I talk about the philosophy is not to sort of say that there's a right and wrong. I think every group has its own means and the only things it cares about.

And, hey, there's something about white-black that, for certain people, might be great and really, you know, really gives you a sense of, I want to have purpose in my life. And white-black gives purpose. White-black, it believes in the things it believes in. It has passion for those things. And it is fanaticism and ruthlessness for the cause.

And I think that is kind of cool. So anyway, I am almost to work. I'm driving. I'm on the street. I'm at work. So I hope you guys enjoyed today's podcast. Like I said, the enemy color ones are a little bit different than the ally color. They all have velocity to them, but the nature of being inherently allies or the nature of

being inherently enemies is a little bit different. So I'm intrigued by that. So as the number one fan of the color pie. Anyway, I hope you guys are enjoying today's podcast. So there will be obviously four more coming. As those who have been listening know, they're not consecutive. But I do them. I'm trying to do them maybe about once or twice a month so that, you know, we'll get through them in not too long.

So next up will be blue-red. And then will be black-green. And then will be black-green, and then will be red-white, and then will be green-blue. So I'm going in Uber order with the first color for those that didn't pick up on that. Anyway, somehow this is your first podcast, or first color podcast. I've done a lot of these, so if you enjoy this, you can go back and listen to them. This is my sixth of the Color Pie, the Two Color Pie Philosophy series. Go back and listen to those if you haven't. But anyway, I hope you guys are enjoying it.

I, as always, love talking Color Pie, so it's fun for me. But I am now at work. So we all know what that means. It means it's the end of my drive to work. So in terms of talking magic, it's time for me to be making magic. I'll see you guys next time. Bye-bye.