Makes Sense - with Dr. JC Doornick - F_ck Fitting In - The end of Approval Seeking - Episode 130

Starting point is 00:00:00 Have you noticed that the world that we live in has been doing most of the thinking for you? That your beliefs, perceptions, reactions, fears, and doubts have been shaped by unsolicited outside noise? How easy it's been for you to slip into that default sleepwalking mode and label it as life and reality. Yeah, that ends here. Welcome to the Make Sense with Dr. J.C. podcast. This is your opportunity to start thinking for yourself, reclaim control, and start Step back into that role as the shock caller and dominant force of your own reality. It's when you change the way that you look at things, that the things that you look at begin to change.

Starting point is 00:00:40 So let's wake up. Let's rise up. And let's make sense of why and how shift happens. Makes sense. Great morning world. Great morning humans. This is Dr. J.C. the dragon. If you're listening to this right now, if you're tuning in, it means that, you're,

Starting point is 00:01:05 that you woke up and were gifted another 24 hours. You most likely have a heartbeat and breath in your lungs. And if you're here, your ears work and you probably have eyesight as well. And those are things that we could just be grateful for in this morning. So congratulations. Congratulations. You have unlimited potential and opportunity to really make this the day, knowing that it could be the last.

Starting point is 00:01:32 But congratulations. All right. so let's get started. So I call this fuck fitting in how approval seeking develops AI. Now, I don't mean artificial intelligence. I mean artificial identity. And we're going to talk about how to take yours back, how to take control as the dominant force and shock caller of your life, but also take your identity back. There's been some identity theft in a lot of our lives, and we're not even aware of it. It begins with this thought, what will they think of me?

Starting point is 00:02:08 Sometimes we don't know we ask that question of ourselves, but it's that unconscious question that appears in most of our minds during or before we consider any and all of our words, maybe our activities, and our action steps every day in our lives. What will they think of me? It's like this self-assessment that we do. It's on autopilot. And very often, like I said, we don't even know that we're doing it.

Starting point is 00:02:35 And that's the beginning of this approval seeking that we're going to point out today. Now, if you are the kind of person that says, not me, I don't need anybody's approval. I know what that's like. I've been like that before. And it just blinded me to the fact that I was seeking approval. So when it comes to approval seeking and that question, what will they think of me? I say, fuck that. At least today, I say fuck that.

Starting point is 00:03:03 Fuck fitting into a world full of unconscious zombies doing what they're told. I don't want to be part of that. I don't know how you guys feel about that. So let's pop the hood on this what I call silent enemy of our dreams. So we have energy vampires, but we also have dream vampires. And very often those come from our own minds. So most people don't realize that they've built this internal operating. system, and it's one that they've never consciously installed. So sit with that,

Starting point is 00:03:36 marinate on that for a second. What I'm saying is potentially, maybe we all have this internal operating system that's running the show that we never consciously installed. We never bought the program and the software and installed it. It was kind of installed for us, for those of you that look at human development, especially in the formative years, and then all the persuasion that's going on in the world today. It's pretty obvious how that's taking place. So it's a program that edits responses and it shapes our personalities and subtly rewrites our identity based on one consistent motive. And that would be the pursuit of approval. So we have this motive that most humans have, whether they know it or not, and that is the pursuit of approval.

Starting point is 00:04:25 and it is the very reason that we're writing this software. If we can identify him and awaken to this, we're going to have some fun. What has my focus and curiosity on this day is how easily the human being, that's you and I, transforms into their own AI. And now what I mean by AI is artificial identity. So just take a moment and just assess what elements of your identity are artificial. an algorithm-generated version of themselves, designed for acceptance. So if you think about any aspect of your identity that is artificial,

Starting point is 00:05:03 why would you allow it to be artificial? And that would be because it's designed for acceptance of others. Because if you are authentically yourself, you might be accepted by others, but only a certain type of others. But if we artificially alter our identity, it's because we're trying to please others, even if they're not like us. So this artificial identity I'm talking about learns very quickly. Just like artificial intelligence and chat GPT learns about you,

Starting point is 00:05:34 your artificial identity learns about what it is that you're programming it with. What earns approval and advancement? That's one of the things that it learns. What avoids unacceptable conflict? Who decided what unacceptable conflict was? We very often think that we're coming up with these things. But very often we find out that they've been given to us. Who should get some recognition and applause?

Starting point is 00:05:59 And then also what feels appropriate and suitable. Man, those words, I just think we all need to stop and think about what appropriate and suitable means. I see so many people out there doing fun stuff on social media where they're showing you that nobody really gives a shit about most. everything that you do. You could just run around yelling and screaming and you spend your whole life worried about what other people will think about you, but you start coming to learn as I have that nobody even cares. Sometimes I'll do something silly and my kids will be like, Dad, what are you doing?

Starting point is 00:06:35 What are you doing? And I go, they don't care. These people don't care. By the way, this is not an episode and a conversation that is prompting people to be rude and inappropriate with others, right? Do no harm. I'm just taking a look under the hood. And just like today's artificial intelligence, this inner AI begins predicting your behaviors. And it finishes your sentences and performs on your behalf. Some people might even refer to it as your ego, but your ego is programmable. I don't think you can get rid of your ego. But I think that you can reprogram your ego.

Starting point is 00:07:13 I think your ego is working for you, even though it's working against you, It thinks that it's doing what you want. So we might have to reprogram that. But it's performing on your behalf. Eventually, it becomes hard to know where your true self ends and performance begins. Makes sense? Understand? Fascinating topic today.

Starting point is 00:07:37 Okay, so Thomas is coming in hot here. This is Thomas Puttgeiter. Focus transforms you. Embracing authenticity not only enhances your personal growth. also fosters acceptance of others. Man, you're going to love where we're going. He's so right about that. He goes on to say, when you concentrate on being true to yourself, you open the door to understanding and appreciating the diversity around you, celebrate your uniqueness while honoring the differences in others. Boom! I like this guy. I like this guy a lot. This balance creates a more inclusive and harmonious environment. I'm going to go as far as saying Thomas for president.

Starting point is 00:08:21 So Thomas, you're so right. And you're also kind of leading into where we're going with this. So Alan Watts, you guys hear me talk a lot about Alan Watts. Love Alan Watts. He warned us that once the performance becomes habitual, just like anything, that's what habits are in general. You lose access to the present moment. That's what's interesting about becoming habitual

Starting point is 00:08:43 in your performance, your mask-wearing performance, seeking approval, is you lose touch of the present moment, and that is the only place that's actually happening. It's the only place that actually exists. Everything else is a forecast or past reflection. You spend your life in the past, typically regretting things, or the future rehearsing for things, but very, very rarely here in the generous present moment. I like to say, I think it's time to unwrap the present, unwrap the present moment, where the truest version, as Thomas says, exists. So there's an interesting thing to enjoy right there. Where does the most true, authentic version of you exist? In the future, the past, or the present? Unwrap the present. So approval seeking becomes our code and script. Appropriateness transforms into our

Starting point is 00:09:40 mask, think about that. Appropriateness transforms into the mask that we wear. We don't even know we're wearing a mask because we look in the mirror and we think it's us. And the identity that we display to the world becomes nothing more than a role that we've learned to play. Yet, at the same time, we've forgotten that this role was learned. Ironically, the more perfected that we become in wearing our masks, the less alive that we feel. behind those masks. That's what's interesting is the deeper you get into playing the role of an approval seeker, you start to forget and lose sight of the fact that you're in a prison at all. So the mask carries the power as your true self. It's an illusion. The mask gives you the

Starting point is 00:10:30 illusion that it's your true self, your authentic self, and it falls deeper and deeper into the cemetery of your unfulfilled dreams and aspirations. That's why I love saying I haven't made up my mind about anything yet. The reason why I love that is because I find that the further I get into thinking that I'm right about things, the further away I get from seeing how things might actually be. One of my favorite questions to ask myself or in any situation is, well, Dragon, what else might be true? Do you have the ability to let yourself ask that question? or are there certain things that you just stand firm with an exclamation point at the end and being right?

Starting point is 00:11:15 This is one of the worst diseases of mankind is this righteousness concept. Hmm, isn't that interesting? The more successful that we are at playing the role of approval seeking, that version of ourselves, the more inauthentic and uncomfortable we feel, and we have to really, really commit to the role at that point. There's this awkward aspect of life, fascinating but awkward aspect of life that's always unfolding where success stimulates failure. Now, what I mean by that is if I feel that I'm right about something and I stand firm on it, but I'm just not allowing myself to look at other vantage points and

Starting point is 00:11:56 perspectives, right? So I'm blindly just saying, yes, this is who I am, take it or leave it, that's going to actually stimulate failure in some situations. So that's why I like to sit back and say, I'm not sure. I love the word maybe. I also love the three words, I don't know, or I'm not sure. And I've learned in my life when somebody says something and my knee-jerk reaction is to recognize maybe that they're trying to seek approval, or sometimes I'll catch myself trying to seek approval, or they'll say something that my knee-jerk reflex says is absolutely untrue. I've learned to just say, huh, or interesting, but leave it at that. Because my automatic response is to come back and one-up them or agree with them or disagree

Starting point is 00:12:46 with them. So here's the paradox. It's both painful and liberating. You can win all the approval in the world and still lose yourself in the process. So you've got to ask, is the juice worth the squeeze? Let's say you succeed at gaining the approval of others. What I'm showing you is that you can actually lose yourself in the process. And I know this because it's happened to me. And this is just like step one in the interface response system. For those of you that have never heard that before, if you go to my podcast and you go to the beginning of it,

Starting point is 00:13:21 the first 10 episodes lays the groundwork for all of the stuff that I teach. And I teach a four-step process the interface response system. In it, it begins with awareness. That's the first. I like to arm myself and others with the weapon of awareness. When a prisoner spends every minute of their lives while they're in jail, looking through those bars of their cell, they no longer can see the bars. As the bars become part of the accepted landscape, it reminds me of Plato's Cave, where prisoners were held for so long and all they could see were the shadows cast on the wall of people walking behind the fires that were burning behind them. And it became the acceptable landscape. And they just believed that that was what reality was, what they saw on the wall.

Starting point is 00:14:13 This is another dangerous aspect to us buying into something. So the moment that you catch the pattern and see the bars, wait a second, I'm looking through bars right now, everything changes. And that's a pay forward from me is I recognize this the hard way one day. So the weapon of awareness cracks the shell of the artificial identity and provides the opportunity for what? Authenticity. A lot of times we think we're being authentic without creating this space for true authenticity. To execute on this today, what would be an action step?

Starting point is 00:14:52 So let's say you're kind of like, hmm, interesting. but how does that relate to me? Because as soon as we go out there into the world, we're probably going to run our program because that's what's comfortable. But to execute on this today, now that we're aware, because we're in our prefrontal cortex right now, we're thinking about it. If you didn't hear this today, you most likely, well, some of you probably are deeply entrenched in this stuff, but we most probably would have just ran our program, just like our computers boot up. But now that we're aware and we're in this moment, we must allow ourselves, we have to actually give ourselves permission to become open and curious and contemplative.

Starting point is 00:15:33 We have to give ourselves permission to dispute things, not just things that others say, but even things that you think and feel and say. So the next time you catch yourself seeking approval, simply insert the curious sound of, hmm, and like I said, it stands for, haven't made up my mind yet. What it says is, interesting, I see you, I hear you, however, I'm not sure yet what I think about it. That's what it means to just go, hmm, why do we have to be so quick to know? And then you follow up by saying, I'm going to allow myself to seek consultation from my authentic self first. So if you don't mind, could you hang on? Now, obviously, this is just the idea of what it means behind that gentle but powerful.

Starting point is 00:16:26 Hmm. So hang on. I'm going to double back once I have experienced alternative perspectives and vantage points. Do you allow yourself to look at things from alternative perspectives and vantage points? Or do you just accept yours as what is? I like to look at things through the vantage point of the other person that I'm speaking to, even if they're doing me wrong or criticizing me. There's a lot of value in that.

Starting point is 00:16:53 So you create cognitive distancing. This is what this is. And a gentle, healthy space to invite the true self to step up to the microphone and share not the programmed or appropriate answer, but the authentic one. Diary of a Relationship Code says the power of the old story. If we give it power, right? Versus building a new story. Your old story, your old program no longer works for you.

Starting point is 00:17:22 That's the identification. The insight is, wait a second, things don't seem to be going my way. I'm not satisfied with my outcome. Maybe it's the way that I've been thinking and feeling and acting. And then all of a sudden you start to say, I'm going to have a look at my old story. I love that. Alexi says, it feels I am on the path of the opposite. And what if I stop being sensitive?

Starting point is 00:17:50 What if? What would happen if you stopped being sensitive? What I find about sensitivity is I am a sensitive natured person. So if somebody says something to me and disputes me and blames me for something or whatever, my knee-jerk reflex because I'm sensitive, Alexi, is to feel defensive like a victim. But I don't have to act on it. I just say, hmm, to what I heard and to what I'm seeing in myself, put them on pause and allow myself, give myself permission to look at it from different vantage points.

Starting point is 00:18:26 God, this happened while I was laying in bed last night. I'm in this process right now of getting my book ready to launch in February. That's an eight-year project. It's a lot of stress, a lot of worry and concern until you realize that the worry and concern has a lot to do with seeking approval. And as soon as I practiced what I'm talking to you guys about this morning, and I kind of let myself off the hook from everyone loving my book, which sounds like a great thing, that it goes viral and it's a bestseller and all that stuff. But that's a lot of pressure to put on myself. And it might also alter the way that I perform. So I let myself off the hook.

Starting point is 00:19:11 To execute on that, we're just going to say, hmm, hang on, I'll double back once I've experienced alternative perspective. And you create that cognitive distance and allow the space for your authentic response. There's an asset that's going to come with our book called the sorting filter, but this is where the sorting filter comes online. And it's a tool that I teach people to create quality control. Now, here's what that means. It's a system that you possess inside, and you can actually design it to consciously pause and step away from your programmed and conditioned reaction and run your thoughts and feelings through a series of logical and rational questions. That's what the sorting filter is. And I have a great sorting filter exercise. So when people get

Starting point is 00:20:00 the book, they're going to get all these assets that come with it. Here's some of the questions that I like to ask in my sorting filter. Does this actually matter to me? And I might catch myself seeking approval or I might catch somebody else playing some role in that game. Does this actually matter to me? What does my heart and true self actually care about and desire? And is it this? Are they true friends, these people? Do they actually know me? Or have I coerced them into my life by wearing the same mask that they wear? Are the people that you call friends true friends? I'm sure you have some true authentic friends. I hope you do. But are they true friends or are they people that you have coerced into your life by wearing the same mask that they wear? Who am I truly inside? Do you know the answer to that

Starting point is 00:20:54 question? And authenticity, unlike approval, is something that you can actually experience. It's like all of a sudden, out of nowhere, we start remembering and returning home to ourselves. And in that moment, here's what's really cool about remembering who you are. It comes back online, your true authentic self. What happens to that inner AI, that artificial identity, it starts to power down and it loses its power and real life starts to power on. So take note that this is a power move, right? But take note that this power move when you decide to do it and it's the reason a lot of people don't follow through with it. It comes with some pruning and some shedding. There's some work when you all of a sudden decide to stop being your

Starting point is 00:21:44 artificial version of yourself. This is a side effect of ego death and getting out of your own way. Everybody says, I got to get out of my own way. I just got to get out of my own way. But the reason why they don't is because it comes with work. There's a lot of pruning and shedding of things. We must prune away the growth of some old thoughts. Isn't it interesting to think about pruning away growth. But if your old version, your inauthentic version, has produced some growth, we have to prune it away. Now, why do we have to prune it away? Because we have to create space for new. So all of you gardeners, you understand that. So be patient with your new thoughts, feelings, and behaviors at this new authentic version of yourself. At first, they're not going to be acceptable

Starting point is 00:22:30 in the realm of people that you're hanging out with and the version of society that you've gotten comfortable with. Practice them long enough and they will eventually, just like a habit, lock in as your new normal. Now remember something in this moment when we're talking about habits. Both bad habits and good habits, both of them are hard to break. So we get so caught up on bad habits being hard to break, but we forget that if we put the work in and build some new healthy habits in our lives, which could be drinking water, eating healthy, exercising, But also this stuff, no longer seeking approval, those good healthy feelings and habits will be hard to break.

Starting point is 00:23:14 Wouldn't it be great to have healthy habits that are hard to break? I do a lot of health transformation coaching. I've helped a lot of people lose weight and nourish their bodies and transform themselves. That's what I've been doing for 20 years. So I've got a lot of experience in this. And the people that really, really follow through and never go back to their unhundred. healthy self are the ones that lock in healthy habits. It's a new identity. It's interesting because we're very often talk about the fact that when you're unhealthy, let's say somebody's overweight and

Starting point is 00:23:47 they have bad habits, smoking, drinking, or whatever, whatever it is. I'm not hating on anybody. That's the artificial version of themselves. And when they get healthy, they re-identify. That's their new identity. So take note of how all the people in your life who stayed around you because you played by their rules of approval seeking start to fade away. That's a nice cleansing. When you stray from the path of approval seeking, you are going to have disapproval. They hate you because they ain't you. People don't like when you stray from the path because it highlights that they're not. And that's uncomfortable. You become a threat. They will not like you. straying from the herd and going your own way. But by doing so, this is the first step. And this is not

Starting point is 00:24:35 your intention. You're going to spot like their lack of courage to do the same. So when we end the process of approval seeking and begin living authentically, we will uncover the elements of our own life that we attracted and tolerated for the wrong reasons. That's one of the benefits of it. When you stop living by the rules of others, you will uncover the elements of your life that you attracted and tolerated for the wrong reasons. But you didn't know. We forgive you for you, know not what you do. This started at childhood. So we begin to attract the things and people and relationships that align with our true selves. So when you change from your inauthentic self to your authentic self, you're going to attract like-minded people. People are attracted to who they really are, not to the mask you wear.

Starting point is 00:25:32 Relationships improve in both quality, loyalty, and synchronicity. Different than any typical relationships in society today, authentic relationships are based on seeing others and being seen. If you're the kind of person that is seeking love unsuccessfully or just seeking friendship or collaborations and work or anything like that, I recommend that you start with you. you become the most authentic, healthy version of yourself and watch how you start to attract the right people. Otherwise, you'll attract the wrong people. No longer working hard to maintain an approved image. You can now relax. It's like a vacation. You can be yourself. In fact, as I prepare to launch my book as I was telling you, it's called Make Sense solving the mystery of how shift happens.

Starting point is 00:26:22 I'm allowing myself to practice releasing from any desire that I have to seek your approval. This requires that I just frequently check in with my authentic self. And I find that my true desire to get this book out, once I've done that and put it in your hands, is really just this idea of paying forward something that blessed me. It's not so much about what you think about it, as much as me doing what I think I should do because I found water in a world full of thirsty people. Why is this important? Well, just imagine writing a book that's called Makes Sense, which is a question,

Starting point is 00:27:07 and the first person that reads it says, I don't get it, right? I can get up in my head about that. So if you're involved in a project, you might want to check in with your authentic self. So another perk of dropping the need for approval. among the many, is that when we stop seeking approval, we stop being manipulatable. This is a big one, because we're all being controlled. We live in a world that's doing the thinking for us, and we don't even know it. Have a look at the algorithm of society through social media and the news.

Starting point is 00:27:41 Regardless, I don't watch the news. I don't watch TV, but I know all about it. Somebody called me yesterday and told me about the shooting in Bondi. I didn't see that on the news. I didn't see that on social media. It preys on the easily persuaded. And if you are somebody that is seeking the approval of others, you are in a weak form of yourself. You're easily persuaded. You're part of the sleepwalking masses in the approval seeking arena of play. So when you stop seeking approval, the machine loses its persuasive power over you. The algorithm changes. and it stops trying to persuade you.

Starting point is 00:28:21 You start to gain control. You're free to make your decisions based on what's actually true for you. Now you can understand why I wear my favorite t-shirt that reads, Breaking News, I don't care. And a lot of people laugh at it and some people misunderstand it. It's my way of letting the algorithm or the algorithmic approval-seeking machine that I'm talking about know that my approval seeking days are over. I sell these shirts in my Make Sense apparel,

Starting point is 00:28:53 which will come out with the book. Breaking news, I don't care. I do care, but not about shit that doesn't matter, not about things that are not aligned with my authentic self. So take note of the mind games that you'll need to navigate through when you make the shift. When you stop seeking the approval of others, your mind is going to consider the downsides.

Starting point is 00:29:14 This is very important. It seems like an easy thing to just say, I'm going to live my authentic self. But if you've been like a 120,000 tonne oil tanker steaming ahead and you're now tapping on the captain's shoulder and saying turn around, the ship wants to keep going forward. So you are going to have things in your mind that dispute the idea of straying from your comfortable known. It'll say things like, you're going to be alone. you're going to be cast out. You're going to fail. You're going to lose everything that you have and have to

Starting point is 00:29:53 start from scratch. So guess what you do when you hear those voices? Hmm. Interesting. And place them on pause and then say what else might be true. And come back to yourself, come back home to yourself. When we are conditioned to seek approval, it's power over us. It goes, far beyond fitting in. It's way more than just fitting in. Like a cult, the approval-seeking club keeps you in its grasp with the threat that you'll lose the momentum that you've created from all your hard work. That's what the idea will be like when it pops up. It will say something like, you didn't come this far to only come this far. Keep going. This fear stems from the still-present evolutionary concerns that we carry from a time when being cast out long time ago cavemen and cave

Starting point is 00:30:48 women time being cast out of your tribe meant vulnerability to predators death starvation etc that is the program that's still running when's the last time you thought about that so this fear stems from that it's essential to recognize that these factors no longer apply you will not die you're not going to and you will not end up alone. You'll actually create the tribe that you've always wanted. Become aware that no matter how hard you try to fit in, there will be people who won't like and accept you. Even if you try to seek approval and fit in,

Starting point is 00:31:27 you're still not going to be accepted by everybody. There's a wonderful and liberating freedom in accepting that. You don't need universal approval, and you don't need everyone to like you, do you? You just need to live authentically and find the people or the tribe that align with that authenticity. Let your vibe attract your tribe. But recognize that your vibe is attracting your current tribe. You will need to change your vibe.

Starting point is 00:31:57 I always say if you change the way you look at things, the things you look at will change. Begin to change. That's Wayne Dyer. So what we're saying now is change your vibe, change your tribe. it's so critical once you choose freedom to refrain from putting the sleepwalking masses down, by the way. There's no value once you break free from the herd to put the herd down. Those that choose to not break free, don't put them in the bad boys and bad girls box. We must practice empathy in this new healthy space, compassion and forgiveness.

Starting point is 00:32:34 for those people like you once know not what they do. I love to spot somebody that reminds me of my old unhealthy self. I used to hate meeting that person, but now I love it because I have empathy for them. And I don't try to fix them. You know, they say you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink, but you can salt their oats.

Starting point is 00:32:57 And the way you do that is by living authentically. People will take note. And if you follow through, they will come. So your mission is not to be better than others. It's just to be you. Taking the lead in your own life will first come up as you being shunned and criticized by others because you've strayed from the herd. They don't like it when you stray from the pack because, as I said, it shines a light that they're not. Your choice followed by your actions is seen as a threat. However, this is what's exciting, but it's in your hands. Once they see you follow through,

Starting point is 00:33:33 and see the returns on the investment because you're a free person, which everybody wants. They may begin the process of acceptance, followed by curiosity and interest. They might ask, if you learn to become the follow through you, everything will change. Everything will change, especially if you're following through it being your authentic self. So hold no resentment or grudges for the people and world you broke free from as they are no different than you. They're just in a different space of consciousness. Consider leaving the door of compassion open for others as it was for you, and I'll even go as far as saying at night, leave the light on. I believe that the highest form of self-actualization,

Starting point is 00:34:19 which is why I always end my podcast the same way, and I will, is to serve others. It's not to just find the fountain of youth and just enjoy it yourself. It's to pay it forward and serve others, the highest form of self-actualization. And that will make the last 10 minutes of your life extremely fulfilling if you've left a footprint and a legacy. When you stop living for approval, life stops feeling like an audition, doesn't it? You breathe differently. You walk differently. And you care less. I love to care less. And here's the kicker. You start to attract people who see you. Not for who you pretend to be, but for who you actually are. Isn't that delicious? And the world doesn't get smaller when you stop fitting in. It gets

Starting point is 00:35:15 more apparent and more real. That's the pruning and that's the shedding. It gets more apparent and more real. Because the moment that you stop seeking approval, you stop leaving yourself behind. And that, my friends, is fucking awesome. That's it for today. To support the Make Sense with Dr. J.C. podcast, be sure to subscribe, like, and share, as well as follow the Make Sense substack for free daily quotes, live streams, and blogs. And remember, learning without action is just another form of distraction. If something hit home and you learn something today, give it away. That's the only way it's going to stay.

Starting point is 00:35:56 See you next time. Makes sense.

Makes Sense - with Dr. JC Doornick - F_ck Fitting In - The end of Approval Seeking - Episode 130

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