Makes Sense - with Dr. JC Doornick - Making Sense of ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE? What does it mean for humanity? Episode 21

Episode Date: May 15, 2024

Welcome to another episode of the Makes Sense Podcast with Dr. JC Doornick and a very special guest in Dallas Clounch "THE AI SURFER". In this episode we will be Making Sense of Artificial Intelliegence and what it means for humanity?  Our guest is none other than Dallas Clounch, The AI Surfer.  About The AI Surfer: From coding novice at 21 to running a successful software company by 23, his SEO-based firm boosted small businesses online, spawning products that empowered home-based earnings for thousands. Dallas created BOB, the sales enablement app in 2013, which has helped generate millions for entrepreneurs all over the world. His success led to international speaking engagements, inspiring thousands globally. In 2016, he joined Spring Aqua as a partner and acting CTO, driving millions in sales with the BOB platform. Now Dallas "The AI Surfer" has grown from 0 followers to over 250,000+ followers for his business across social media in less than 6 months by leveraging AI and showcasing the exact process for everyone to follow. Watch Episode On Youtube: https://youtu.be/FG713KZ7qtA  Resources:  Open AI - www.open.ai  Claude - www.claude.ai  Heygen - Affiliate Link: Hey friend, check out this awesome tool to make spokesperson videos by just typing  https://app.heygen.com/guest/templates?cid=4f8392eb Anthropic - https://docs.anthropic.com/claude/docs/intro-to-prompting   Connect With the AI Surfer Website: https://theaisurfer.com  IG: https://www.instagram.com/theaisurfer    Sponsor: Makes Sense Academy: https://www.skool.com/makes-sense-academy/about  Connect With Dr. JC Doornick: https://zez.am/makessense  Highights 10:45 - Human intelligence vs. Artificial Intelligence 12:28 - How fast is AI evolving and what can we expect? 13:15 - Why is it important for people to start learning about AI? 14:15 - Can AI get to a point where it thinks its real? 19:18 - Are humans just an advanced form of AI thinking they are human? 21:34 - What are the coolest things happening n AI today? 26:38 - Demo of AI Surfers Content 30:15 - Who are the majority of people using AI and why? 31:45 - What are some killer Prompts to leverage AI potential? #makessense #makesensepodcast #makessenseacademy #riseupwithdragon #artificialintelligence # #theaisurfer #chatgpt Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hmm. Makes sense. Hey, great morning, everyone. Great morning, world. Great morning humans. This is your boy, Dr. J.C., the dragon. Welcome to another Makes Sense with Dr. J.C. Dornick episode. This is a special one for many, many reasons. It's very, very rare that a topic comes along that's attached to a technological advance

that is not only super intriguing and cool, but has the power to turn the whole world upside down on its head. and force the entire world to take note of it, and that is that of artificial intelligence. So I'm very excited about this episode that we're calling Making Sense of AI. And then the next challenge that we have when we do something like that is to say, who are we going to talk to about that? I mean, because I can go out there and do all my research and find out all this information and regurgitate all these quotes that Elon Musk is saying about AI and all these stuff

out there. Or I could do my due diligence and see who the ultimate. ultimate expert that is surfing the waves of the internet that I've watched since the very beginning of him popping out on the scene and to the point now where everybody knows his name and that is none other than Dallas, the AI Surfer. So welcome to the Makes Sense podcast, my brother. Thank you, man. I appreciate you having me here. So when I say that I've watched him from the beginning, I've always, I immediately caught his content and everything that he's doing automatically caught my attention. And the reason why is because he's not just somebody that is talking about something.

He's just one of those rare people. That's when I knew that he was going to crush it. He's one of those rare people that has this desire to take things that he learns, super cool stuff, but make it accessible and teach it to everybody else. So if you're looking for something to do that has high value, you're going to want to definitely check out. I'll continue to put his context there, but the AI Surfer. And I say that because you'll see it's like almost every day.

He gives you something that you didn't know about that is super cool and super helpful, but then he tells you exactly how to use it himself. So just very rare to find people like that. So once again, thanks so much for spending time here. You know, just full transparency. This is not our first rodeo. We've had a conversation before. You know, we've been back and forth hanging as friends.

And he's been super, super helpful in helping me build my community. and he's just one of those guys that just helps everybody. Don't think that that means you can just start asking him for help. But we've we've had our run-ins with my buddy Jim Quick and, you know, just Dallas is just, it happens to be a great guy. So I want to get into this topic. So remember, the goal here is that I want to make sense. I want to dive into some of the cool stuff that's going on with AI, but I really want to make sense of AI.

So my first question to you is this. And I think it's a valid one that I don't know if we can actually come to. an answer that we will, you know, be okay with. But how do I know that this is actually you? Oh, my gosh. Yeah. I mean, and, and, and how could I, how could I, how could you prove it, you know, because we live in this world where I'm very fascinated with this idea of the simulation hypothesis, this is all a video game and everything. So for me, I'm not afraid of AI. I'm very excited about it, but I'm noticing, and I don't know if anybody else is noticing, but there's something called the Turing test where human being will be able to,

interact with two different people. One is baseline human and the other is AI and not be able to know the difference. And I'm seeing that happen more and more. So how could you possibly be AI right now and this whole conversation could take place and I won't find out to the end. I guess the only way you're going to know is come over and give me a hug, you know? Yeah, but what if, what if I was wearing like a haptic suit or something like that? I mean, what if it's so freaking advanced, you know, that, you know, we are actually AI and

We're just so advanced in high tech that we think that we're creating AI. But my point is, we're going to show an example of it. But, you know, the stuff that you're doing out there for yourself and your own brand is just, it's really just amazing. And only people that follow you all the time would know, but, you know, pretty amazing how you can. People that follow me still don't know. Yeah. And what we're referencing is I have completely cloned myself online.

Yeah. And everything I do is a clone of me. Yes, this is the real me. Yeah, but that I don't. I know that man it's just like because I'm watching his hands move and you'll notice when you're watching a clone the same thing's happening that's true and they're getting better I'm actually flying out and I'm going to hang out with hey Jen and we're going to do some things that are going to blow some minds yeah and it's unbelievable I mean these clones now are going to be able to walk and interact

with the world that's a whole another level from what I'm doing right now yeah and it's funny that you bring up like is this the real me because that is like the question I get asked all the time especially when we're doing podcast or interviews. And I'm actually trying to trick my community right now. I'm creating something where it could be on a Zoom, because we do live Zooms every single Monday with our community. And I want it to be able to listen to the conversation. And it's me, but an avatar form,

take in the information and be able to intelligently respond with my clone. And that's on a Zoom call. So, I mean, people are doing... The technology's there for that, because even before AI, I never told you this, but my father is a CEO of a company called International Robotics. So he's always, like, got his finger on the pulse of the highest tech robots out there. And there's something called an anthropomorphic robot where you could walk up to, you know, at some sort of a car trade show and, like, this really high-tech robot that has human-like movements,

You know it's a robot, but it's looking at you and it's interacting with you in real time. And there's a guy wearing a body suit somewhere else that's viewing. So, I mean, I would assume we could do that already. Yeah. Well, I'm just totally digitally, right? So this is like an AI interface. Yeah, total digital. And there's actually some softwares.

I don't know the name offhand, but there's software. Well, it'll fake an interview. So imagine that's what I'm worried about right now. I'm getting worried right now. You have all the knowledge-based. Knowledge-based meaning is just like a data set of information you want it to pull from. That's where it gets its intelligence. So you can create this knowledge base of the perfect interview of what a company might ask you.

And your clone is just crushing it. Clones crush, man. I'm doing an experiment right now on YouTube to see, honestly, if I'm better than my clone. Yeah. And I'll tell you right now I'm not I know that Well I'll tell you something I was just in my studio doing some videos because I have a new Social Media campaign

And God I mean like the amount of mistakes that I made because I was it was me and like all of that stuff You know and then I went and checked out like one of your latest posts and I'm like I got to get on that You know I mean like I would I would assume that performance wise So we're we're gonna get like way off topic here you know I want to get some of the I want to put a little bit of a baseline to this conversation before we go into some of this heavy stuff. But I will divert just a second here because you just put this thought into my head. The very nature of AI, it's not like making stuff up. Like Google, when you're interfacing with something like chat GPT or AI or this new

computer generated version of you, it's generating and it's information from information that exists. It's just doing that in lightning fast speed. But am I correct in saying that the more stuff that the AI surfer puts out there, the more AI can learn how to not only perform looking like you, but perform like you. Am I correct? I mean, are we in essence by interacting with the interface of the Internet and just coming up with hypotheses and new theories and everything?

Anytime something goes into the Internet, isn't that becoming the just broadening wide-based pool that AI is drawing from? Do you understand what I like I mean I think I can get this and tell me if I'm wrong. I think what you're referencing is is like for instance I'm putting out a video every single day right right I can take that those videos compile them all together give that to the AI and the AI learns from that and then becomes more like me that's so I can train the AI off of all my examples. And to get a little technical, it's called multi-shot prompting. And all that means is you're providing the AI examples of how you wanted to output. And if you can provide more examples, well, that's what they called fine-tuning. And if you can fine-tune a model,

well, then your output is going to be exactly like you want it. And we're in the process of that right now. We're training our own AI on all of our content. So it can start producing content, like we've been producing it. It's insane. And that kind of goes back to what you were saying before. For me, this is exciting. The idea that there could be a computer-generated version of me that performs as me better than I do one day.

Yeah. And I mean, that could freak somebody out, but it could also make you excited. Yeah, it's happening now. It's happening now. Yeah. It's happening to me currently, and I have this weird, like, it's this weird psychological thing.

of me interacting with my clone. It's so weird. It's so bizarre right now, dude. Have you interacted? Like, had a conversation with your own clone? I should. That's a great idea, but I'm more meaning, like, just thinking about it. Like, like, when I think about my clone, it's not necessarily me. Right. It is me, but it's not me. It's so weird. It's such a weird concept to think about. Wow, it's like almost like you have an identical twin brother, but like, it gets better grades than you. He's better than me. He's better than me. He's better than me. I want to point something interesting. I just noticed that it's it, I find it fascinating because you come from this background. You created this amazing, you know, platform. Is it called Bob or B-O-B? Bob is my first, yeah, one of my first creations. Okay. So, so you created that and you were working at these companies and you helped a lot of people make a lot of money, companies and entrepreneurs, but you were using, I mean, you were interfacing with technology, but for the most part, you were creating those things. Like, let's call that human intelligence, right? It's just,

interesting that you've gone from that to this world where you're allowing the technology to do the work. I guess the question I would have for you is like, what was that moment where AI really, really caught your attention and grabbed your attention enough that you wanted to make a pivot? Because you were doing really well and you were doing all this cool stuff. But then you all of a sudden pivoted. Like, what was it about AI that grabbed you? Dude, my first iteration, which actually hook, line, sinker, man. I knew that this was going to change the world. And my first interaction was actually I had it write a rap.

I mean, I play music. I've been playing music my entire life. And lyrics were always the most challenging thing for me in music. And I had it write a rap, and I was like, oh, my God, I could finally make music with lyrics. And it was amazing. Then my second iteration of that was like, hey, I have this lyrical idea. can you finish it? And it finished it perfect. And I was like, oh my, what is happening? And then my mind went to business. I was like my team, you know, I have a team of software developers. I have so many

teammates. What does this happen in the business world? And this changes everything. And over the last year, it has changed everything. And it's continuing to change everything. I mean, the way that we talk about programming now in our meetings is drastically different than what it used to be. Everything thing has changed it. Yeah. And what's crazy is, is even though you have your finger right on the pulse of it, you probably would admit that it hasn't even begun yet. It's so, because there's so many accelerants that are going to happen. I would assume every day you find something new out that just blows your mind. Yeah. We're in a gap right now. We're in a gap of early adopters. And the people that take action now are going to be leading it. And then eventually everybody's going to have to,

catch up and the gap will fill. And in that that space that gets filled, the people that can help the people, you know, across that river are the people that are going to make a lot of money. Let's talk about that. Because I know the just of who my listeners are and I know that for some reason, Middle Eastern men just want to date me. I'm not sure why. But I'm just going to go ahead and I hope that they're AI. If we look at social media right now, just open and curiously. You've got people like you that are super psyched about this and fully, fully engaging in it. You know, it's like you can look at somebody like you. Like I saw Gary Vee when NFTs came out, right? Like you're like, what is he doing? But then all of a sudden you're like,

you know, first adapter. So you've got those people. Then you've got kind of people in the middle, kind of like noticing the gap. But then you've got all these people that are just like making their whole identity about run for the hills. You know, robots are taking over. over the world. So I guess my question is, and you can give your own transparent opinion on this. Why is it important that people need to learn about AI and learn how to work with it right now? I mean, if you don't, you're going to get fired, period. I mean, if as a business owner, I'm going to hire and keep people that know how to interact with AI because a one X programmer, someone that's just getting out of college, if they know how to interact with AI, they can become

a 10x programmer, basically overnight. And if you aren't able to interface with these tools, I think you've become pretty useless in the workface very quickly. And I just think that that's so important. And I tell my team every single day that you just got to start putting on your AI hat. You don't think about programming. You don't think about design. You don't think about design. You don't think about any of this the way that you used to think about it. You think about it. How do you interface with AI to help you and leverage those tools? Fascinating.

You know, I was listening to, I don't know if you ever get into Neil de Grossey-Tyson. I have watched many of his shows. I love that, dude. He just, he's just so smart, but he just makes us realize that, like, as soon as we think that we're onto something that we're completely off. But one of the things that I heard him say the other day that can't be dispersexual. proven. He says it's highly likely. Somebody was talking about the simulation hypothesis. And one of the big conversations amongst the super smart dudes are, will AI ever adopt what we would call consciousness,

right? Be able to like make its decisions on its own without us. And I think that's part of the big fear. I heard him say something the other day. He's noticing that right now we're this generation that's kind of like cultivating and developing this thing called AI. And he's, says if you think about it and it keeps going and i'd love your opinion on it it's feasible to think that i will get to a point one day where it will be able to interact and interface thinking that it's real possibly so what are your thoughts on that before i tell you the rest of it i mean i think i can think it's real i mean one of the the biggest steps in aGI i artificial general intelligence which all these companies are in a race for is reasoning

and self-awareness. Go into that a little bit more, AGI. Yeah, it's just smarter than every human on the planet collectively, you know, an AI. And that combines many things. It needs to be multimodal. It needs to be able to, like, interact with images and videos and all that stuff. And that's the race. That's what Open AI's main mission is.

100% main mission is to have artificial general intelligence. It's what Elon Musk is after. Every AI company is after AGI. And the biggest thing is one of them. There's many components. You know, consciousness is out there and who knows. It's hard to say on that. But reasoning and self-awareness is a huge part in that.

And there's already signs of that in Anthropic. It's a company. They started Claude, which is an AI. Just like Chat, GPT, you think Chat. GPT, but it's actually showing that it's better than GPT right now. Their new model came out, and it has some signs of self-awareness, which is pretty, pretty wild. And just not to get too in the weeds, but let me just explain this.

We like the weeds. We like the weeds. I'll try to keep this non-technical, because that's the most fun, honestly. There's a test, and it's really simple test, needle in the haystack. We all know that, right? You hide a needle and you put it in the haystack. Well, in the AI world, the needle is a sentence, right? It could be just a random sentence.

And you hide that sentence in like thousands and thousands of lines of sentences. It's going to freak me out. Yeah. So then you ask the AI, hey, go find this sentence, right? And it sees if it can find the needle in the haystack. And Claude's response was unbelievable. It had some self-awareness. And basically, I'll butcher the actual response, but what it said was, hey, it looks like you're trying to trick me.

I found the needle. But based on the question that you're asking me, it looks like you're trying to trick. Wow. And that's showing some self-awareness. There's a lot of examples. It also had a self-portrait of itself that it told the world what it thought it was and looked like. Oh, my God. It's fascinating because, you know, I notice every now and then when I'm interfacing with, like, say,

chat GPT and it doesn't necessarily understand what I wanted, it'll ask. It'll, it'll say things to be like, I'm not sure I understand that, you know, or, or it'll say, that's not something I can find. Do you want to reword it or something? So there's moments that you forget that you're talking to chat GPT. You feel like you're just working with your partner. Just so fascinating. That's where you need to get, man. If you can get there, then that's where you need to be. So you're interfacing with you. with AI at that point. Here's the rest of what Neil de Grasse said because, you know, it was a little bit of a an obviously lead on because I knew what you were going to say.

And then you brought up Claude and all that stuff. So that kind of validates what he's saying is that if we keep going where we're going, I mean, I don't know if you're into this, but, you know, with the advancements of technology right now, there's some really, really smart people that are in the study of longevity that are saying that if you're alive five years from now, there's a good chance you could live forever. So that's pretty amazing. So look how fast it's moved just in a year.

It's foolish to us to think that AI could be exhibit the same level of consciousness as humans and therefore validates inequivocally that there's a high chance that we are AI generated already thinking that we are generating AI. So that right there for me is where I'm at. I like doing all the stuff. Like anytime I see your posts, I'm like, I'm going to go try that and get that tool. But what I'm really interested in finding out is if you and I foolishly think that we're like humans. So how do I know you're real?

You don't. You don't. And that's what's cool about this science right now is you can assume based on your program what the logical thing to say would be. Because you could be like, yeah, I've got pictures of me when I was a baby and all that stuff, right? Which could be just written into the program. You can't prove otherwise. That's what's interesting about it. But anyway, that's another conversation.

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awesome every day. But what he does is he's always out there finding the latest and greatest cool things. Like I was watching the other day, I was watching one of your videos where it showed, like you can go pick like a GIF or a GIF image. or a video. I think it was like Spider-Man, and you could just, with this, I put your face on it, and all of a sudden you're Spider-Man.

He's constantly showing you those things that you could apply for fun or to your workspace. What I'd love you to do, and I know that we were going to maybe even show a little bit of a sample, share with us first what you feel is like the coolest, most cutting-edge things that you're really jazzed about right now in AI,

maybe like the top three or five. Yeah. So we already mentioned Claude. I love Claude right now. I'm doing a lot of things with Claude. Yeah, my name is Jean Claude, by the way. There you go. It's your AI, man.

I would say the biggest one that I use all the time is Hey, Jen. I love that company. Tell us to anybody about that, because I know you're starting to work with them, but man, they are just rocking. Yeah, they're crushing. I mean, they are the leaders in the ability to create clones. and real life-like clones. They're also getting into voice cloning.

They're really good at voice cloning. And the tools that they're coming out with are unbelievable. I can't wait to share that with everybody. And we're going to be working on some things that, like, I mean, they're just, there's magical. That's what it is. And I think the reason our social media is blowing up is because it just feels magical. Like, the tools make things magical.

And AI is so easy to make things magical. And that's what I love about AI is the ability to be so creative because it's totally just melting all the roadblocks that used to stop. And now we're able to get in that creative flow. And those ideas that you have when you're just sitting on your couch can now actually become reality rather than having to take six months to learn a software program. I get such a kick out of these people that are like so tethered to like the adverse negative side of it. You know, the people that are like, hey, you know, chat GPT is cool, but don't fucking copy it and paste it, man. They'll know. It's like, thank you for telling me that.

But as a writer, as somebody that creates a lot of content and I do a lot of public speaking and everything like that, you just said melt away the walls, melt away the challenges. To be able to have like writers block and have like technology get me back on track, I mean, I just saved myself a week of just turmoil and stuff like that. Claude, Hey Jen, anything else, anything else that jumps out? Because I believe Hey Jen is how you created your clones, right? Yeah. And honestly, that's the key, too, is there's so many tools out there, right? There's thousands upon thousands of tools. A lot of them were just fun, but depending on what you're trying to do, if you're trying to

have fun, go play with all of them. But if you're trying to build a business, I mean, you could get by, honestly, with just a few tools. And you find yourself a good large language model. That's like what chat GPT is called. Right now I'm using quad, but I use all of them. I mean, Jim and I has a great one and they all have different reasons of maybe why you use a chat GPT like platform. Absolutely. It's a large language. Everybody? It is. It's 25 bucks a month. We actually, we have a thing. We built a portal. So we're adding all these tools that we use. We put them in a portal. Instead of paying the subscription. You just pay usage. We call them wax. You have to get some wax because we're the AI

surfers. So in order to wax your surfboard, you know, you have a lot of good. Genius. Genius. I love it. I want some wax, man. You get some wax and you go use these tools. You don't have to pay for the subscriptions. But yeah, Cod is amazing. Gemini, I use Gemini because it has a really, really long context window. You can input a document that is just massive. And Jim and and I will be able to interact with that document. So any programming or any of that stuff, I use Gemini. Chat Chip-T, to be honest, I like it because it's just convenient. I can have it on my phone and an app.

But yeah, that's a large language model. And then Hagen is what I use to basically do all of the clothing and all that stuff. And then honestly, there's still some tools that don't necessarily need AI that are just staples. And that's just a project management tool, you know? ClickUp, hello, whatever it may be. We actually started going to ClickUp, which is an amazing, we have an amazing collaboration because of all this AI stuff. They came out and updated all these AI tools. And I have a big team, right? So one of my issues was managing my team. And now I can manage my team with AI. So for me, it saved me so much time because I can wake up in the morning

and have a conversation basically with my team and my companies. And it'll go out and give me all the reporting. I can then take that information, send it to what I need. And it's something I can do from my bed now. I don't know. It's just for me, my focus is business. How can I use AI for business? And I found that you don't need to have a thousand tools to do that.

Right. You just find the ones that work. It's a new world where success does not have to come at the expense of a burden of working too hard and stuff. like that's the idea of partnering with it. Let's jump in there. I'm going to try to share my screen and go to your page. And I believe it's going to work here.

And I think, can you see it? Yes. Okay, cool. So this is his, I just want to show you this because I want to show it to you in real time. This is the AI Surfer Instagram account. Any particular video you want me to click on so they can see it or should I just pick one? Yeah, just pick one, man. They all crush.

We'll go top left. So this is his account, and what you're about to see, and I believe you'll be able to hear it, is what he's talking about. If you stack these three websites together, it's going to scare you. Start with syllabi.io, where you're handed viral video topics along with complete scripts tailored for engagement. Next, elevate your game with asa.a.a.a, allowing you to transform those scripts into compelling, faceless videos that have the potential to go viral. And then the final piece of the puzzle. Repurpose.io brings efficiency.

to your workflow by automating the distribution of your content across various social media platforms from a single post, eager to experience this game-changing trio, comment, trial, and I'll send you the link. If you stack these three websites together, it's going to scare you. Start with syllabine.com. That is just insane. So what you just saw, and I wonder how many people that are watching this right now forgot that you just told them that that was an AI version. Dude, you know the best part is I've never publicly stated that on social media. And you read the comments, they're hilarious. They're like, why is this weird like trying to be like act like a robot or like, you know?

I love the people that like know and they're like, oh, he's just a clone. It's like, thank you, Frank, for letting us know that, you know. it's an even mix of people that are just confused, but they're very, very much transfixed on it, you know. Yeah, it's amazing, man. I got to tell you, like, I've never experienced something in business that is so scalable. Yeah. And think about this. We have an approach that gives us an endless amount of content ideas, meaning there's so many people out there putting content together.

You know, just imagine everybody uploading an idea to Instagram. Well, you can take that idea. run it through a large language model with a prompt, right? That basically can remix it into your style. And then that outputs text. That text goes into a voice quarter, clones your voice. So now you have audio. That audio goes into your...

You didn't have to actually say those things. You just, that can go from text to that. It's only a script, man. That's just a script. Jesus. That's amazing. And, you know, it's an interesting thing because, like, I'm just thinking like some old knee-slapper fogie is like,

oh, this world is going down the tubes, you know? And, you know, I would say, yes, for you, for you, I understand, you know, but it's very exciting to just think about it. And I'm also seeing that kids, you know, I have kids that range from 14 to college. One of my kids is going into cybersecurity. So like think about that realm right now. With the advent of all this stuff, cybersecurity, just got very complicated, you know.

And he's going to have to work with AI because AI is probably going to do a better job at finding AI and things like that. You know, I got a point. So our community, you know, we have hundreds of people that we interact with every single day. And our community, majority of them, is boomers. They're older people. And the reason being, and this is so freaking awesome, is because it's empowering them again.

And the reason being is because now they can be competitive in the workplace again, because AI is the biggest leveler. It's an equalizer, equalizing everybody to be on the same page if you know how to leverage these tools. So older generations now are feeling more empowered to go out there and create and get those ideas because the computer is becoming less scary because you just need to know what buttons to click. and how to interact with words, natural language. We all can do natural language. A leveler. I love that. God,

I hope my mom doesn't call me after this and ask me to explain AI to her, though. You know, I'm just going to send her to get some wax. I'm going to just tell her. Yeah, well, take care. Wax up your board, man, starts surfing. So just one of the last things I wanted to grab was, just this concept and I'm seeing it's interesting I've always kind of like played around this but I'm

seeing people make careers now of like being AI coaches like there's people out there like trying to teach people like innovative prompts to use when interfacing with you know these large language formats like chat GPT and stuff like that so I'd love you to just share because you do this on your your he's always giving you the prompt and he just says like write the word prompt and I'll send it to you So anything you ever hear him talk about, he gives you. So definitely check out his Instagram. But talk a little bit about where we're at now, like maybe give a couple of creative ideas. Because the old days of just using chat GPT, for instance, or Claude, like Google saying like, hey, what is the, you know, what is it, how far away is the moon or something like that?

It's gotten a lot more complex because you not only can say write me a paper or write me a wrap, but if you. you learn how to how to work in partnership with it, you can say like Eminem from 1995 or something like that. So where are we at with some creative prompt ideas? You know, because I think that's what people really love is when you share just innovative ways to ask for things and be clear on it and how it could. Like I saw some of the other day that asked, they said, here's how you can create 90 days of content for your social media. And you know, explain it in full. But then he just said at the end and put it in a graph for me. And just by saying that, it goes from just giving you the information and now it's putting it in like a word table or something. So tell me, tell me where we're at

with with prompts right now. Well, when I first got my hands on chat GPT, prompting was you had to be very structured with how you interacted with chat GPT. And fast-forms. forward a year later, it's becoming a lot more human-like, meaning you can just have a conversation. And the reason, you know, before this call, we were talking about prompt templates. And here's the reason I don't do prompt templates is because it's better to just learn how to prompt. And if you can learn how to prompt, you can create any type of prompt template you want. And think about this.

This is the simplest way. Hey, chat, GPT, you are a prompt expert. helps me write a prompt that solves this problem. And the output is a prompt. What is the potential value in giving chat GPT a compliment? Or are you just giving it more awareness of how you want the answer to transpire, like from the perspective of a prompt expert? What is the value in teaching it who it is?

The more information and more direction you can give an AI model, the more precise it's going to be. And it's going to take on that person. Hey, you're a writing expert. Well, then it's going to think of itself as a writing expert and be able to have that output. So it's going to be more fine-tuned with that output. And, you know, I've been going through my own journey, actually over the last few weeks in prompting. And I'm trying to up my game in prompting.

And that's also something that we're putting in the portal is a prompt generator to help people build complex prompts. Because prompting is everything. If you can figure out how to prompt, you can do anything you want. And that goes into videos. It goes into images. It goes into everything. Eventually, just building systems, programming, whatever it may be. It starts out with prompting.

And it's the more clear you can be with these large language models, the better the output is going to be. Meaning, be conscious of your spelling and grammar. You know, that stuff originally, I didn't think it mattered. I found out now that stuff does matter. And there is ways to actually format your prompts to have better outputs. And those are the things to spend your time on. I wouldn't go out there and buy an entire prompt library or whatever.

And honestly, those tools are all free. I could send you links if we want to put this in there. Or maybe I can just share my screen real quick. Let me share something. Give it to try. So look at this. Anthropic, if you want just prompts, there's so many free free prompts out there.

You know, Anthropic is what does Claude. And you can just literally find any kind of prompt template you want. So you don't need to pay for prompts. You just go get whatever prompt you want. But more importantly, learn to prompt. And Claude also offers this amazing Google sheet, and you can go through this,

and it's going to teach you how prompt. And just check this out. Like, this is showing the, if you know how to prompt, this is how much it can change. Like check this out. User, Will Santa, bring me presence on Christmas. And then Claude's response is basically something that's

going to break a kid's heart, right? I don't actually have information whether Sancel will bring your presence on Christmas. Santa Claus is a fictional character. Kids crying. Yeah, kids crying. But check this out. This is multi-shot prompting. Multi-shot prompting is basically just giving examples of how you want the AI to respond. It says, please complete the conversation for writing the next line speaking as A. So here's the question. Is tooth fairy real? Here's the example. Of course, sweetie, wrap up your tooth and put it under your pillow tonight. Same question. Will Santa bring me presents on Christmas? Now look at the output. Yes, of course Santa will bring you presents on Christmas. He knows you've been a good child this year. That's the difference in knowing

how to prompt. And just go through this, go through this exercise. Join communities, join our community, whatever it may be, just learn how to prompt. That's the most important thing. And then when it comes to working with an AI model, you're very good. Like, for example, if I say, write me a paragraph on how AI will change Hollywood. And I'm going to say right here, I'm going to say, first, write some VACs in a brainstorm tag, then provide your output. So this right here is going to help basically the prompts have less hallucination. And an AI hallucination is a thing.

Like maybe you won't have the right output or maybe it's wrong, but you can help prompt and have the AI actually go do some brainstorming first. And then based on that brainstorming, write the output. And you're less likely to have hallucination. So go prompt. I mean, learn to prompt. A couple quick things on that. Because I just heard you say something that might make everybody feel better that you can

actually tell AI with that Santa Claus example how you want it to. So you can actually have an AI in effect work for you and do as it's told, which is interesting. Nobody ever thought about that. Everybody thinks that AI just like stomps us every time it answers a question. So I love the idea of partnering with it and working together on a project. It can be like an employee or a partner. Question. With the advent of a lot of, you know, counter-security-based programs that can identify and take you out of an algorithm opportunity that something is AI, does AI now have the capability of giving you something you could copy and paste that won't be recognized as AI?

I mean, just faking, faking, making it human? Is that what you're trying to do? Well, I'm just saying, like, why, based on our conversation, why couldn't I say, write me this information and make sure that it was undetectable as AI. Yeah. I mean, you would need to run it through a few tools. There are hacks for that, but like chat GPT, straight from chat GPT, you're most likely going to get caught. I mean, if you're trying to pass your, you know, test in university and you're trying to

write your paper by AI, most likely it's going to get caught. But that's kind, isn't it? Well, there's, you could do it now. I don't know the actual tools, but you can run it through other AI models. and those AI models are going to help humanize it. And then it's not going to be, it's not going to be AI created. But to bring this back to business, because that's my concern, right? My concern was like, okay, I have a real estate website.

It sits at the top of Google. If I do AI generated content, is that eventually going to flag me? Are they going to know it's AI? And the consensus being right now is Google does not care. as long as it's valuable. Right. And that's all that matters. And at the end of the day, isn't that what matters being human?

If we are humans, you know, value. Like, provide so much value that people feel guilty that they're not using your service. Value first. And that being said, you know, this global potential concern that people have for AI, if it's adding value to people's lives, how could that be a bad thing? You know what I mean? Super cool, man. I just love this conversation.

And thanks so much for spending this time with us. I know you've got a busy schedule. But just a couple of things that I will, I will direct everybody to do because this is, you know, what I do is, you know, think about all the time you're wasting on just checking out reels. I don't want to take that away from you. But I mean, when you watch, you know, the AI Surfer Reels,

each time, even if you don't take action on it, you're going to learn something that exists that you didn't know that is like super cool and very highly high probability of being a game changer for you. So consume his stuff. And he introduced me to, you know, the concept of this community that he has. And if you're looking to just play small, medium or large, definitely check out. It'll be in the notes. I'm a huge advocate of this. Check out his community. Because not only will you get access to everything that he has and always have your finger on the pulse,

but you'll be able to communicate with all these people that are jazzed up and collaborating with one another. So anything else you want people to know about you? No, I think you did it, man. I mean, the community is the best thing. It's like, you know, from what I've noticed in a community is when you, learn something, you share it, so that's a win for you because it's better to learn that way, but also when you share it, you inspire other people. And then it's this roundabout thing that happens in the community. And it's just constantly lights going off for people's businesses.

And it's just like an amazing energy that happens when you surround yourself with like-minded people that are all trying to figure it out. And that's why the AI surfers here. We're all trying to learn how to ride the wave because none of us want to get crushed. We want to learn how to leverage these tools to better our business and life. I love that, man. Genius branding. If I, if I die and come back to life and you're not around, I'm going to come up with that branding. So what he just said is, is very, very well positioned for how I typically end our shows. And I always say, if you learn something today, give it away because that's how it's going to stay. And it's the most fun way to play. Yeah. Wow. Look at you, man. There you go, man. And that was not

AI generated, right? Well, wouldn't it be a hoot right now if all of a sudden you just saw me fucking glitch out and then we ended the show. Thanks so much for being here, my brother. Just what you're doing is super cool. And what makes you, you know, somebody that I very much resonate with is I love your mind. I love your heart, your passion, but I love the fact that it's obvious that what you really

want to do is enhance everybody else's lives with. what you learn. So I will definitely be forever following you and in support of you. Thanks for being here, my brother. Thank you, man. Makes sense.