Makes Sense - with Dr. JC Doornick - Making Sense of Being a Man - Men's Mental Health Month Special - Episode 97

Starting point is 00:00:00 Welcome to the Make Sense with Dr. J.C. podcast. This podcast covers topics that expand human consciousness and performance. On the Make Sense podcast, we acknowledge that it's who you are that determines how well what you do works, and that perception is a subjective and acquired taste. When you change the way that you look at things, the things that you look at begin to change. The Make Sense podcast is sponsored and primarily funded by the Make Sense Academy, our private community where open and curious seekers of growth and expansion apply the make sense principles and systems to move from simply going through life to growing through life. So check out the Make Sense Academy risk-free for less than you'll spend today on shit that you don't need. Welcome, my friends, to the uprising of the sleepwalking masses. Welcome to the Make Sense with

Starting point is 00:00:53 Dr. J.C. Dornick podcast. Great morning humans, great morning world. This is your boy, Dr. J.C. Dornick, and welcome to another edition of the Makes Sense with Dr. J.C. podcast. This is a place where confusion dies and progress thrives. Unaware just days ago that June has been deemed men's mental health month. And this one is dedicated to all of the men out there as well as myself. And we're going to unpack some things and arm all of you with awareness. I think that's what the whole idea of men's mental health month in June is about, and it's about awareness. And that's what this podcast is all about. This podcast is just about the idea of arming people with the awareness of multiple perspectives on things. I think where we get caught up very often is allowing our conditioned mind, our programmed

Starting point is 00:01:53 conditioned mind that started off in the formative years and was conditioned by our mother, father, teacher, preacher, and then went on to be conditioned by everything that we consume in society. And we even have the paying forward of everything that we learned from evolution. And once you're aware of something, it doesn't mean that everything in your life changes. It changes in a sense that now you know, but we still have this miraculous ability, men as well, especially men, to create a bias and overlook something that we know. And we still have this ability to choose, to the way that we want to see things and the way that we want to respond to things. The whole idea behind the work that I do in the Make Sense Academy and with the interface response

Starting point is 00:02:37 system and all of our communication technologies is to recognize that there's this condition mind that's going on that has your ego working for it. And it's always pretty determined on seeing things a certain way. And that would be the way that you've typically seen them, your version of what we call normal. But we know that growth and expansion happens where? not in that space in the abnormal. So what we teach people to do is just allow yourself, give yourself permission to acknowledge that you're programmed and conditioned mind is predetermining the way that you see

Starting point is 00:03:11 and feel and think has a lot of potential faults, right? Gets us into trouble. So if you're not satisfied with your life, if you're discontent or even if you just like the idea of being open and curious in exploring more, then you might want to just drop a, hmm, whenever you're thinking and feeling, or a, hmm, whenever somebody says something that evokes some sort of knee-jerk reaction. So today's topic we call manning up, the zero-sum game of manhood. This is a fascinating thing. And unfortunately, during this month, we're reminded of losing a lot of very, very valuable people.

Starting point is 00:03:50 And as a man, as a father, twice over, right? because I raised two young boys and then have the opportunity of now going back in the game with a daughter. And that's a whole new ball game. Father's out there. But this really hits home because not only am I fascinated with this for obvious reasons, but I'm also in it as well. And this idea of becoming conscious and aware of some things that are running around in the background, which doesn't have to just be about this topic.

Starting point is 00:04:18 But as a man, you know, we are very much wired in condition to be a certain way. and society is prompting us to go further down that rabbit hole. So for us to stop that 120,000 tonne oil tanker that's steaming ahead in one direction, it's not easy. So all I'm inviting everybody to do with my material, whether you're following me here in the Make Sense podcast or watching this video live or a recorded YouTube or maybe even reading about this stuff in my free substack, it's not about learning things and just knowing them. It's about putting them into play.

Starting point is 00:04:52 So I hope that this will arm you with that awareness. So this is a self-reflection, and it'll be blended with Jungian insight from Under Saturn Shadow by James Hollis, as well as the Dragon's self-reflection. And that's what always makes these things interesting. For anybody that is interested in learning more about men's health, but also learning about shadow work, James Hollis is a great, great read. And as you know, last week on the other last live that we did, we did the middle passage by him. So in recognition of men's mental health month, I offer this not as a diagnosis,

Starting point is 00:05:28 but as a mirror, a reflection of one man's honest reckoning and what it really means to be a man in a world that rewards our silence and buries our truth. Ooh, isn't that true? So every June, as I stated before, we remember some of the tragic losses of great men. Some prominent ones that most people recognize, Robin Williams, Philip Seymour, Hoffman, Anthony Bourdain, and these were men who made us laugh, think, feel, and then left us all too soon, as they all do. These weren't weak men by any means. They were men crushed by a quiet torment of expectations that they could no longer uphold. And the silence that made it impossible to ask for help. If I'm going to get vulnerable right now, I'm going to say something that might cost me, myself,

Starting point is 00:06:17 the stamp of being considered a real man in the eyes of you. Hi, my name is Dr. J.C. Dornick. People call me the dragon, and I am scared about a lot of things. There, I said it. I know some people will hear that or read things like that and think that I have all a sudden betrayed the code. And that's what we're going to talk about today, the code of being a real man. And you don't have to be a man to listen to this, because there's a chance that you have a relationship with a man, regardless of your preferences. It's important to understand what's going to going on on the other side. You know, we read books like men are from Mars and women are from Venus. That's what this stuff is about if you are not currently. Some of you might think that I've betrayed the

Starting point is 00:07:01 code, but what I'm doing is, is I'm creating space for honesty. And that is what we may need in order to prevent some more loss. You might think that I've kind of outed the brotherhood by saying, I'm scared. And guess what? Whether they admit it or not, other guys are too. I'm tired of pretending. I'm tired of losing other friends and men, and I've lost a lot. I've lost five very, very close friends, and I've lost them to silence, to pride, to pressure, and to shame as well. If sharing the truths help even just one man feel the courage to remove his mask in a proactive way, that it's worth it. Because here's the truth. Let's talk about the truth today. Being a man today is, like I said, a zero-sum game. And James Hollis talks about this in his book and a lot of his

Starting point is 00:07:49 work. And what that means is that you're either a winner or a loser as a man. Most of the time, that's what you think. We catastrophize. You know, it's either one or the other. There's no middle. So there's no middle ground on the exhausting performance of somebody trying to outrun failure. That really hits home because even as somebody that can be aware and recognize that, I can see that I'm in some way, shape, or form always looking to outrun failure. That doesn't mean that I have failed. That just means that I can see it, which is the birthplace for shifting. We always talk about drifting and shifting. The first thing that you need to do to shift is recognize that you have gone adrift. But failure, what I want to know is by whose standards. That's the

Starting point is 00:08:36 interesting thing about failure and being a man. We never really take the step of acknowledging who created the standards that have got you thinking that you are a failure or even pending failure. Have you looked beyond your mother, father, teacher, preacher? Have you looked at society? Have you looked at evolution? And have you looked at the barrage of social media and news? Well, we're going to take a look at that today. So let's talk a little bit about this amazing book under Saturn Shadow. And let's talk about why men struggle so much. So James Hollis, who's a Youngian analyst and the author of this amazing book under Saturn Shadow, offers a sobering and enlightening answer to why men struggle so much. The modern man suffers from a loss of soul. Now, what do we mean when we say modern man?

Starting point is 00:09:26 We're saying the man of today. I mean, just go back to the westerns or another time of this thing called man. And you can just see how it would be very easy for me to feel like a sissy looking at like John Wayne or something like that, right? So what we're seeing is that men very often, when they look in the mirror, identify that they've lost their soul. So that suffering, often begins in childhood. Boys are taught explicitly, yet silently, to disconnect from their emotional world. That vulnerability is to be shamed. Vulnerability is not something that you want to do. I'm going to be vulnerable today, and you're going to see that it's by no means of weakness. In fact, it's a superpower to be vulnerable. But there was a time that we look back and we see real men, right? I mean, I hear that all the

Starting point is 00:10:17 time. I need a real man. Oh, be a man. Man up. So vulnerability is shamed. Dependency is punished and sensitivity is exiled. You know, I see a lot of these men's groups forming right now where they go away on a retreat of some sort and scream and yell and pound their chest and hunt and shoot crossbows and like chop wood and eat dirt and all of that stuff. And I know that there is also some space for people to tell the truth there. And there's a lot of in that, but, you know, what I'm pointing out is that a lot of it is shaming other aspects of being a man. You know, it's just saying, look, reclaim your manhood. And we're going to talk about what that looks like. We are offered this masculine mask. And it starts at childhood to be strong, to be rational, to be in control, to be successful, don't feel, don't need, and absolutely under no circumstances.

Starting point is 00:11:10 Don't cry. To be a man is to inhabit a myth larger than oneself. Sit with that for a That's a quote by James Hollis. To be a man is to inhabit a myth that's larger than oneself. What that is is that's something that's unattainable. So Hollis outlines nine shadow fears that haunt the modern man. Fear of being exposed. That's a big one. Fear of emotional intimacy.

Starting point is 00:11:38 Relationships, right? What is divorce at an all-time high? It's at least 50%. Fear of failure, obviously. Fear of being seen as soft. and fear of aging. This is a big one. I'm 53 years old.

Starting point is 00:11:50 And for some reason, I feel that it is a sign of weakness to age. Isn't that interesting until I reframe it? Fear of aging and fear of becoming most importantly irrelevant. These form the psychological Saturn. And that's what he's referring to in the book. The strict father, the cultural taskmaster. We internalize all of those versions of our identity. And we spend our lives trying not to disappoint him.

Starting point is 00:12:15 disappoint our father. So what we fear most has already happened to us. What remains is to be conscious of it. See, this is the new movement. This is the modern day version of being a human. And we're going to talk about the difference. What's the difference between being a man and a human? Fascinating, right? I think that men very often think that they're not human. They're humans. What does it mean to be a man? And that is an invitation to just be conscious of this stuff. Remember, I told you in the beginning, what we're going to do is arm you with the awareness of this stuff. Because until we do, until we become conscious, the pain that we hide becomes the pain that we pass on. Now, that right there is fascinating. If I look back at my childhood and my relationship with my father, I think he listens to this

Starting point is 00:13:07 podcast. So we just speak the truth. You know, that's okay. There's no harm meant or anything. This is just what happens, you know. It's funny how we are enamored by our parents and men and the father, and we look up to them. But then at some point, we always find out some sort of a weakness or a failure, you know, like my dad was never home. He was always traveling or something like that. And then we spent all of our time trying to blame him for that, right, because we've made him out to be this thing. And then we spend the rest of our life trying to not be like that. It's just fascinating. And all that needed to be done was an acknowledging. and a conscious acknowledgement of the truth, of the pain.

Starting point is 00:13:46 I spent so much time and reading and research to learn how to figure out a different perspective and an alternative perspective of why my father was the way he was, rather than him just telling me the truth about the way he was. But he didn't know how to be a dad because his dad was even worse. We waste a lot of time. So there's a lot at stake here. So I want to talk about my own reckoning. And I'm just going to personalize this and bring this in.

Starting point is 00:14:12 into my own space right now. So I find myself at my highest state of self-actualization right now. I'm at the highest state of consciousness and actualization right now. So this is the best me that has ever existed in that sense. While at the same time, I'm feeling as if I'm beginning the process of that hard work and self-development all over again. And that's because I was kind of on the other side of raising my two boys and realized what I did right and mostly realized what I did wrong, but then I've gone back into the lion's den and I've adopted a little girl, which is a totally different thing. And it's just waking me up to a lot of pain that I'm once again having to figure out. The only difference, because I'm more self-actualized and conscious,

Starting point is 00:14:58 and this is maybe the lesson for the person that is not yet, I'm able to tell the truth about my pain and my fears and things like that and don't feel like I'm complaining or showing a sign of weakness. I'm just looking to not pass on the pain. That's my focus right now. I don't want to pass my problems on to my kids. I want to talk about my problems. Let them form their own problems, but no to talk about them. So the adoption of my daughter at a later age, I went back in, has me in a scary place. You know, my love and admiration for my daughter are frightening, to be honest with you. You know, they're boundless and have activated some of the old wounds of my shadow that I'm proud to say I'm aware of. So that's different. It's different if you feel pain, but you're

Starting point is 00:15:42 aware of what that pain is associated with. And it's even better if you have the ability like I'm doing right now. I don't know who this podcast episode is for, but I'm talking about it. Things like abandonment. I struggled a lot with abandonment, meaning I was left in my eyes. You know, I was left alone. Somebody said they were going to do something and failed me in my eyes and all of that stuff. So as somebody that still struggles with those scars of abandonment, even if I talk about them, it doesn't make them easy. It just makes it easier, perhaps. I find myself justifying the idea that my daughter will never really be ready to go out

Starting point is 00:16:20 into the world, surely never date of man, especially one that represents anything that I'm not happy or proud about from my childhood. But she'll never be able to go out into the world without my help and my protection. I don't know if anybody as a parent, specifically a man, can resonate with that. But that's the way I actually think. I know it's foolish. And I know that she has to live her life. That's a wound.

Starting point is 00:16:41 That's a fear. So I can normalize this by saying, oh, this is typical dad and daughter stuff to be so protective and joke about it. But it's no joke. Right. It's actually pretty tough. And why are we talking about this during June men's mental health month? Because this is the stuff.

Starting point is 00:16:56 This is the fertile soil that we create these ideas and concepts that we don't let go of. and we start to struggle, and unfortunately, that ends at a very dark way sometimes. Yet at the same time that I'm feeling all these things, I see that that's my unresolved abandonment issue, those wounds, those abandonment issues that I have from my parents that I'm projecting onto her if I'm not careful. And I don't want to pass that on to her. I don't want her to feel bad going out into the world knowing that it hurts me, but there's this unhealthy version of my brain that does. I don't know who's willing to admit that kind of stuff. So as a result of some dysfunctional parenting, and that's on my side, and this is just

Starting point is 00:17:37 my perception, that's a father who spent most of the time away from us. That's manifesting today in poor relationships with my parents, this perception that I have when I was a kid, you know, I stay clear. I don't get too involved in things like that. In fact, you know, I haven't seen my mom in quite a long time. I find myself distanced from them, and I do so as a, means of my own mental health and safety. And we have to do that sometimes. You know, that's not necessarily a bad thing. But this is not what I want for my daughter. In fact, it's my worst fear,

Starting point is 00:18:09 right? My worst nightmare ever could be that my kids look at me one day the same way that I look at my parents. Isn't that interesting? So here I am having struggles with my own parents because of my wounds, but my even bigger fear, which is manifesting an unhealthy behavior if I'm not conscious of it, is that my kids will look at me that way. So then that triggers me to try to go like to the extreme and be nothing like my parents and overprotective and not trusting them and not giving them freedom and things like that. So there I said it. Deep breath in, deep breath out. So courageously, and it takes courage, I can say that I fear her and my two boys are going to leave me one day. Like I've left my parents.

Starting point is 00:18:55 Worse yet, not need me. That's when I'm afraid of. And if I can't acknowledge that and I internalize that, then that could turn into just a hot mess. And even worse than all of that would be resent me. And I have resentment for my parents. And I know how bad I feel about that. And I can't even imagine what it's like for them.

Starting point is 00:19:15 But the thought of my kids resenting me like I resent my parents, oh, it's devastating. So conscious of these things that we call wound, I force myself to acknowledge their path as theirs. So this is what I have to do. I have to force myself to acknowledge first and foremost, their path is their path. And my role is to impart whatever tool,

Starting point is 00:19:36 skills, and wisdom that I can and set them free to simply be. Parents know that. We have to let them figure things out on their own and everything like that. But, oof, it's tough. And we don't understand that while we're saying we're letting our kids out on our own. And this is about not passing on the pain.

Starting point is 00:19:51 We're really tarnishing them. and making them feel bad. Otherwise, I will put our relationships, mine and theirs, in jeopardy, and one day make myself the villain, right? Or make myself vulnerable to a massive depression when they actually do, in fact, leave me the way that I had to leave my parents, right? So it's got to stop somewhere. So this is just an example of how the shadow stuff can rear up without our permission. And that's important about the shadow is you can understand what a shadow means is if the sun is shining in your face and you see a shadow. We're talking about a different type of a shadow, right? We're talking about you carrying all of these wounds behind you and thinking that they're

Starting point is 00:20:30 behind you, but they're still very, very much fresh. The idea is to bring them into your consciousness, which is painful, and that's why I've done a lot of personal growth work, but there's a lot at stake. So throughout my life, to be honest, I've done my best, right? I've attempted to do everything. I thought would make me what we call a quote-unquote good man, or what a good man. man should do. I worked. I was loyal and I sacrificed everything that I could. I followed the script the best that I could even when it meant silencing my own needs, ignoring the voice inside that kept whispering to me. What about you? To be a good man, you ignore that. When I was a chiropractor, women would come in and say, I think something is going to be wrong soon. Man would come in and he can't

Starting point is 00:21:14 even feel his leg. He says, I can't walk anymore. Can you help me? So there's the difference. I wore the armor, I earned the stripes and I played the part, unfortunately, because that caused me a lot of trouble. You know, when you're wearing armor and thick skin and you never think about yourself and you hit a wall, it's very, very tough. And that was a dark time for me. But underneath all of that armor, the checklist of manhood, right? Provider, protector, achiever, there was another voice that I had been ignoring and that was ignored because of this fear that it would threaten my attempts of being deemed a real man in my wife's eyes, my children's eyes, and society's eyes, as I'm doing right now. I don't know how society would view me doing this podcast episode as a real man or a sissy or a some

Starting point is 00:22:00 sort of weak individual or maybe some sort of sensitive guy. I don't know. That voice inside asks, is this really living if you allow it to? If you listen to the voice inside, say, is this really living? Is that really necessary? Do they see the toll that it's taking? on me. See, the man knows the toll that all this stuff is taking on them, but you start hearing that whisper inside of you. And whether you answer that call or not is where the rubber meets the road. How long can you keep going like this? That's a voice that a lot of men hear in their minds, right? So all the while, my soul was pounding its fist against the walls of my manly ego demanding to be heard. And it was screaming things like this. This is what is what is happening on the inside that

Starting point is 00:22:45 we're quieting down. You're not invincible. You actually do cry. You just don't let anyone know. You long to be nurtured and cared for yourself. Isn't that an interesting thing? To actually admit that you want to be longed for and cared for and what a real man thinks of. For God's sake, tell them that you're only Hugh man.

Starting point is 00:23:04 But I didn't know how to say that. Men are not taught how to say those things until they get to the very end when they seek out therapy or something. Because no one ever told me that a real man could feel and voice those things. So this is one of the challenges with being a man, is nobody ever taught you what was okay. Well, they taught you what was okay, but it wasn't this, to voice your feelings and still be a man. Is that possible to voice your feelings and still be a man? I did what real men do.

Starting point is 00:23:33 I sucked it up. I kept it inside and I get it out in the gym or via some other self-sabotaging things that we see happen out there. So it took me years to realize that the pain that I had buried didn't go away. And that's what happens later in life is if we continue to bury pain, it doesn't go away. And that's when you are forced to recognize it because you say Houston, we have a problem. And that could show up as depression or anxiety and stuff. And you can do all you can with medication to quiet that down. But it's not strong enough to quiet that voice down, is it?

Starting point is 00:24:06 It grew roots these ideas. And it started to demand that I recognize it and started to shape how I saw myself. and you start to equate that into things like depression. So that was my reckoning. Unfortunately, the dark night of the soul, I was confronted by some real, real pain that I had to deal with. When I recognized that manning up had to mean something else, that's a big, big distinction for men to me.

Starting point is 00:24:31 There's got to be another way to be a man, because the old way was killing us quietly, slowly, and proudly. So I want to talk a little bit about the arrows that men hide. This is fascinating. So along the way, I always do. did my best to be a man. The predominant theme was to internalize my pain, as I said before, suck it up and refrain from complaint. And like so many men, I carried arrows. Just envision the arrows that men are carried in their back. Out of sight, out of words. We don't let people

Starting point is 00:25:02 know about our pain and our scars. And this is one of the problem. We all have them, the arrow of chronic pain that greets us when we get out of bed. The arrow of financial pressure, the pending doom of losing it all as the provider, the arrow of loneliness in a crowded room, the arrow of pretending to say okay for everyone else's sake. And then finally, the arrow of knowing who you are, outside of the role of the provider, the protector, or the performer, which you might not have a lot of confidence in yourself with. If you're playing the role of someone that you are not, it's not a comfortable thing to do. But we don't talk about those things. We're taught to walk up right, smile, grind, and say, I'm good. I'm fine. What's worse is that we secretly hope that somebody notices the arrows.

Starting point is 00:25:48 That's what's interesting about a man. We don't want to complain about them, but every now and them will turn and be like, can you see these arrows in my back? We secretly hope that somebody will notice and we didn't complain about them or let them know, but we do want someone to notice because we know it can't go on forever. We hope someone will say, man, you're carrying a lot on your shoulders. You are strong. Falling victim to these arrows and the idea that nobody cares is a terrible thing. You become a victim of those arrows and say nobody cares. So there's that mommy daddy thumb-sucking shadow stuff right there. So here's what I discovered. Strength isn't hiding the arrows. You're not strong. You're not a real man because you're hiding the arrows. You don't have courage if you can't tell

Starting point is 00:26:33 somebody that you're struggling. Strength is exposing them, cleaning the wounds and asking for removing what you were never meant to carry alone. There's nothing wrong with that. In fact, you'll perform better at all those rules because festering beneath the surface of every concealed arrow is the real danger of unprocessed grief, rage, fear, fatigue, and they're all left untreated. And what happens when they're untreated is those arrows can begin to poison your soul. And that sometimes is irreversible. So here's the turning point. I like to share a quote right now. This is a quote from actually Louis Pasteur, and he used to have this, I believe, on the top of his laboratory door, and it read this. Tell me not your politics or religion, only your suffering. So what it does is

Starting point is 00:27:20 it cuts through the masculine myth entirely, that quote. It doesn't ask, what's your worldview? It doesn't ask the manly things. What's your worldview? What's your philosophy? What do you believe about yourself? It asks, where does it hurt? And for men, there's a terrifying question, because most of us know how we're supposed to answer that. We've spent a lifetime perfecting the performance. Isn't that interesting to look at being a man as a performance? Never admitting to the ache in our backs, the grief in our bellies, or the longing in our hearts. But healing begins not in explanation. It begins with honesty. Not in belief, but in revelation. That quote, we could hang above our own door, our own man door, and it says, tell me not who you're pretending to be.

Starting point is 00:28:08 tell me what's bleeding inside. So let's talk about a new definition of manning up. So I say let's rewrite the definition of being a man. And guess what? I will throw the three magic words there at this time because I'm always open to change and this is just how I'm feeling today. Manning up is no longer about covering the arrows. It's about naming them. It's about honoring the pain. It's okay to be brave. But how will they even know you're brave? That's an interesting thing to consider. It's about redefining bravery as vulnerability with integrity. That's what I like to practice is vulnerability with integrity. I am scared of failing you.

Starting point is 00:28:46 I want you to think that I'm a good father, husband, and son. I want to feel useful, strong, and necessary. That's the truth. But sometimes I also just want to rest. Sometimes I want to say, this is really hard and I'm very tired. Sometimes I wish someone would hold me and tell me I'm enough. that's a tough one for us to say, but it's true. Even if I don't think that I've earned it that day, I want that.

Starting point is 00:29:12 I want somebody to tell me that it's going to be okay. I love my wife. My wife is the perfect wife for me. That doesn't make me less of a man. It makes me more human, a good one. So integration, let's talk about looking at our soul over our script. We're looking to release from the script of being a man, the role of being a man. So according to Under Saturn's Shadow, that's the book, great book to read,

Starting point is 00:29:35 Maturity is not about being perfect. It's about being whole. It's about integrating our rejected parts, the sadness, the softness, and the soul. It's about writing a new myth of manhood. I love the idea of creating a new myth, recognizing that it's all myth. We get to choose our myth, though. We're going to rewrite it. One that's rooted, not in conquest, but in connection. I think that's the new version of humans is we're all about connection right now. We didn't used to have that, but we're moving closer to that. Because maybe we don't need to prove that we're men anymore. Is that a manly thing to do to feel like you have to prove that you're a man? Maybe we just need to prove that we're here, alive, honest, and once again, human. Think about these questions here. What arrows have you been

Starting point is 00:30:22 carrying that nobody knows about? It might be that more than depression that you're experiencing. What inherited definition of manhood are you still performing to? What would healing look like if you didn't have to do it alone. What truth would you speak if someone simply asked you where it hurts? I have this funny shirt. My wife is wearing it today. And it says, it's just a gray shirt and it says, I'm fine. And then on the side, it's got this picture of a big gaping wound. Like somebody shot me through the side with a cannon and I'm bleeding. But my shirt says, I'm fine. Can you now look at the men in your life with more empathy and understanding? Not feel bad for them, right? Because we could have a Women's Health Month, too, and look at the other side. So if this episode resonated with you,

Starting point is 00:31:08 I'm just going to invite you to share it with another person. And the reason why is that if you're not armed with the awareness of this stuff, you don't have a fighting chance. You don't even know what you don't know. So if you know somebody that's struggling or that you just love, share this with another man that perhaps needs permission to kind of lay down his armor. Give him permission to do that today. Let's start honoring each other's wounds, not hiding them. And remember, you're not alone. You're not broken. You're not less for feeling.

Starting point is 00:31:41 Yes, you are a man. You are a man. Look in the mirror. You are a man. But you're also a Hugh man. There's the lesson for today. A soul that's worthy of healing. And it's not a weakness to be vulnerable, my friends.

Starting point is 00:31:54 It's actually a superpower. Make sense? So as always, we hope that you'll follow our podcast. Make Sense with Dr. J.C. podcast. We have a free substack called The Make Sense Substack Echoes of so grateful for everything that's happening right now. And I know it's on the other side of me being vulnerable and me being consistent and working hard.

Starting point is 00:32:16 It is still very, very nice to see the fruits of your hard work, which we never know when they're going to come starting to rear up. So I'm very, very grateful for everybody that listens to this podcast that supports us in all different ways, including friends and family. And remember, if you learn something today, give it away, because that's the only way it's going to stay. And by the way, have a nice day. We'll see you next time. Bye-bye.

Makes Sense - with Dr. JC Doornick - Making Sense of Being a Man - Men's Mental Health Month Special - Episode 97

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