Makes Sense - with Dr. JC Doornick - Making Sense of of the Carnivore DIet with Dr. Robert Kiltz

Episode Date: June 26, 2024

Making Sense of the Carnivore Diet? Is the carnivore and animal based diet all sizzle and no steak? Join me as i interview Dr. Robert Kiltz to make sense of the carnivore diet. This episode is available on the Apple and Spotify Platforms Dr. Kiltz is a Diplomat of the American Board of Obstetrics and Gynecology and Fellowship trained and Board Certified in Reproductive Endocrinology and Infertility. A Graduate of the University of Southern California, he completed medical school at the University of California, Davis.  A thought leader in the keto carnivore movement, Dr. Kiltz believes that an animal-based diet dramatically improves mental clarity, fertility, and health, empowering people to live their best lives. In addition to his own media channels, Dr. Kiltz appears regularly on numerous popular blogs and social media outlets, and has shared his views as a speaker at TEDx. Listen to this episode on both Apple and Spotify Platforms. SUBSCRIBE / RATE / FOLLOW The Makes Sense with Dr. JC Doornick Podcast https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/makes-sense-with-dr-jc-doornick/id1730954168 Follow/Connect with Dr. Robert KiltzWebsite: www.doctorkiltz.com IG: @drkiltz  Follow/ Connect with Dr. JC "The Dragon" Website: www.makessensepodcast.com IG: @drjcdoornick The Makes Sense Podcast available on Spotify and Apple - You will find a "Follow" button top right. This will enable the podcast software to alert you when a new episode launches each https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/makes-sense-with-dr-jc-doornick/id1730954168 Click this link to SUBSCRIBE/RATE/REVIEW - https://ratethispodcast.com/makessensepodcast Thank you for your support with our podcast on apple and spotify. Our mission is to remove the blindfolds from the sleepwalking masses and begin the uprising of the sleepwalking masses. OUR SPONSOR: MAKES SENSE ACADEMY Enjoy the show and consider joining our psychological safe haven and environment where you can begin to thrive. The Makes Sense Academy. https://www.riseupwithdragon.com/makes-sense-academy   Highlights: 0:00 - Intro 4:37 - Reproductive Endocrinology? 7:03 - Why are we all sick? 10:14 - A unique approach to fertility 14:30 - What's the difference between Keto and Carnivore? 15:52 - What is Ketosis 17:30 - Plants are not required in our diet? 19:01 - Are humans depleting the meat resources? 23:19 - Is science just a belief system? 25:04 - Who is the carnivore diet right for? 26:53 - What is the Carnivore Diet? 30:13 - Who should not do the carnivore diet? What about high cholesterol? 34:16 - Do people with high markers (Cholesterol, HDL, LDL) need medication? 37:46 - If you are struggling with your health? 41:32 - Are Vegetables and Carbs necessary at all? 46:06 - The Choice is yours 50:47 - Where should I get my meat?   Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hmm. Makes sense. A very great morning to you, humans. This is Dr. J.C. Dornick, and welcome to another episode of the Make Sense with Dr. J.C. Dornick podcast. Allow me to introduce you to today's special guest as we look to make sense of the carnivore diet. Dr. Robert Kiltz is a diplomat of the American Board of Obstetrics and Gynecology and Fellowship trained and board certified in reproductive endocrinology and infertility. A graduate of the University of Southern California, he completed his medical school at the

University of California, Davis. Dr. Kiltz is the founder and director of CNY Fertility, one of the largest and most innovative fertility practices in the entire country, with over 60% of its patients traveling from out-of-state or overseas to be seen. Over more than two decades of helping families grow, Dr. Kiltz has developed cutting-edge approaches to fertility grounded in Western medicine and supported by practices of holistic medicine. To treat the whole person, mind, body, and spirit, Dr. Kiltz revolutionized the fertility industry by providing full-service healing art centers where patients receive massage, acupuncture, and yoga instruction.

This patient-centered approach extends to Dr. Kiltz's commitment to democratizing access to fertility treatments by pricing most fertility treatments at only one-third the cost of the national average. Dr. Kiltz routinely shares his thoughts on diet, wellness, spirituality, and fertility in his blog and via bi-weekly Facebook and YouTube lives. Dr. Kiltz has been known to say that we must focus not only on what we consume with our mouths, but also what we consume with our minds. A thought leader in the keto carnivore movement, Dr. Kiltz believes that an animal-based diet dramatically improves mental clarity, fertility, and health. empowering people to live their best lives. In addition to his own media channels, Dr. Kiltz appears

regularly on numerous popular blogs and social media outlets. As a matter of fact, he's also shared his views on the stage in the red dot at TEDx. Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome to the Make Sense with Dr. J.C. Dornick podcast, Dr. Robert Kiltz. Thanks so much for being here, Doc. J.C., thank you for the invitation. I'm really grateful to be here and share some sense out of the nonsense of life. Yeah, that's right. Right. You know, so many things that I want to talk to you about. First of all, when I first reached out to you, and I started speaking to your assistant as well, I immediately went and started the protocol. I'm in the field of health and wellness and stuff, so I'm very, very open and curious and fascinated, but I'd never actually ran the course of doing

carnivore diet, and we'll get into some of the stuff that you like to talk about, but I actually ran it. So you're getting me right now, potentially a little show. sharper than normal. I mean, I do feel pretty good. My mother would hate to hear that. And maybe that'll come out later because she's a wildlife activist. So I was raised in a house where you're not, we're not allowed to step on ants. But hopefully she won't listen to this episode. First of all, a lot of people, I think, will find you via the, the whole carnivore conversation and miss this extreme passion and other aspect of fertility that you work with. And I just love that concept of starting to unpack the word fertile. I mean, there's no more powerful way to express health as a human

than to be fertile. So I just love the correlation there. But I love a good controversy. So when I first started looking into carnivore, what I do is I'll put it out to my people through my email and stuff and say, well, what do you think? I don't ever share my opinion on things. And it's just so fascinating to hear, kind of like religion and politics. If somebody's pro something, man, cognitive bias and all, they're just like, it's this and exclamation point and nothing. And you'll hear that from all sides. And I like to look at life as I want to do with this conversation as a scientist. I don't really care who's right and who's wrong.

I'm just always interested in what's better. And I think that that seems to be your focus. So I'm really looking forward to getting the audience to first understand a little bit about how this all came about. because, you know, I would assume that you didn't come out of the womb doing this stuff. And I know that you are very, very passionate about practicing in the field of fertility. And I believe you're an endocrinologist as well. I'm a reproductive endocrinologist. A reproductive endocrinologist.

Which is a fertility specialist. And technically, we don't do much endocrinology. We do a lot of fertility. Yeah. And that's the kind of the crazy part. The endocrinology seems to be focused. But I'm an OBJN board certified in both our. EI and OBGYN. And that's my primary practice. I own and run CMI fertility centers,

one of the largest IVF centers in America and the most affordable in America. And we do integrate Eastern Western medicine tremendously. I hear everywhere I go, and I think this is one of the things that grabbed me. I was looking at a couple of people that speak on your topics. And one of the things that I kept noticing about you is how you're obviously trying to make some of this amazing work that you're doing attainable to everybody, you know, making it affordable. How do you go about doing that? My intention in life. Yeah. Why I'm here. And I think you probably ask most doctors, did they go into medicine because they wanted to make a lot of money? And they'd all say no. But then we get caught up in the standard Western medicine profile, which is work hard, make a lot of money and retire early,

or drop out because you're stressed and struggling with the way the system is. And that's one of the problems. And I was challenged by the fertility world and didn't understand it very well, didn't know people charging so much money. And I delivered babies for about $2,000 after nine months of care. That seemed like a right amount of money to charge for IVF when I then found out most people charge in 15 to 20,000. But again, I'm just here to do what I believe it's right and affordability, access, and hopefully good quality is the most important thing that I'm focused on. Yeah, a lot of people don't really take a look at the, I guess it would be, you know, under urgency and scarcity and very, very much of the medical world is, you know, people taking

advantage of things that people have to do. That's a very, very noble path to take. I'm sure that just raised a couple hairs on your neck. Yeah, we get caught up. in this the system we're in. It's a commercial, you know, it's Western medicine is as commercial as anything else. We haven't dug deep in to understand the root cause of disease. And I think that's one of the things that I was curious about. Why are we all sick? What's causing all these problems? And I personally suffered arthritis, psoriasis, migraines, bowel bleeding, kidney stones, depression. As a child, I had terrible migraines. I couldn't read. I was kicked out of school in a gang, couldn't read, grew up in L.A., my father in jail.

And I never fought medicine at all. And it was kind of serendipitously that I met a doc that was a hippie, was taking care of my broken leg when I was 19. And I was like, huh, maybe I should be that. Maybe I should be like that guy. Yeah, yeah. And so here I am a fertility doctor. Well, where did the fertility come into play?

You know, because I know that when you enter the path of caring for others, you got to kind of choose a course. What was it about fertility that grabbed you? Well, I worked at the Los Angeles Free Clinic for a few years before medical school. I really enjoyed just primary care. And I went to UC Davis Medical School where I thought I wanted to be a primary care doc. I wound up loving, delivering babies and take care of women and the primary care and the surgical care. I love working with my hands.

And that sort of kind of got me into that, the world of OB-GYN. And I actually did not match in an OBJYAN program out of my medical school. So I wanted to do an internal medicine. And I loved it. I was good at it. But I found myself just writing a bunch of prescriptions for diseases. Once again, I had no idea where they came from. And I was just sort of a drug pusher, it seemed like.

And one day someone called me and said, hey, we have an opening for your OB slot that you wanted to go into before. Do you want to do it? I said, sure. So I wound up doing that. And then after I finished my residency, N OBYN, went out to practice at Kaiser, I was working with a doc who kind of was really into fertility. I was learning a lot about it. And then one day, someone called me, said, do you want to do a fellowship in reproductive anachronology? And I'm like, okay. So that's kind of how I got into this. Nothing that I really put my sights on. It was just serendipitously that I kind of fell over these things. People, you know, the law of attraction. Somehow I was in the space. My heart and soul was loving it. The universe said, and I was from Los Angeles, and those programs

got me back to Los Angeles. So that's kind of how I ended up in the space. Almost as if it was like a universal guidance system. And you seem right off the bat, you seem like somebody that kind of makes decisions based on that, on your heart and your gut. Somebody was asking, me today, we were having a conversation and I was asking them what their stance on it. And you can just tell that their confusion was based on what they thought about it. And I said, what does your heart and your gut tell you? They can just tell that they hadn't had that question before. So, okay, so that's cool. And I would assume that what comes next validates where your new passion is. And what I think is super cool about your approach besides the fact that you make it cost effective

is that you seem to be somebody that is opening, willing to look outside the box. You know, I came across some sort of a video of you explaining, you know, what you think most, or what is potentially the hidden cause of a lot of infertility problems. And I would assume that was the birth of you finding out about an animal-based carnivore diet. Am I right? Well, well, let's see, suffering brings strengthening. So as a scientist, you know, we know all the answers and doctors know all the answers, and that's kind of what I lived by. And about 20 plus years ago, I was going through some emotional and

some personal struggles. And a friend of mine taught me meditation. I began to look at prayer and acupuncture and chiropractic and things like that. And I went on a quest to figure out God. And I thought, will mindfulness and meditation and prayer are really good from the fertility world helps people de-stress, which will hopefully increase the chances that people will keep at it. And so I taught a lot of that within our fertility center. And then some people are getting pregnant on paleo diets. And I'm like, wait a minute, people getting pregnant on paleo diet, what's all that about? So I jumped in to learn about nutrition and paleo.

I tripped over keto. I personally did it myself. I found myself suddenly healing. And as I dug deeper, I ran into carnivore about 15 years ago. And so I personally healed from keto, but mostly carnivore. And then I figured, you know what? I'm feeling better. There's something here regarding inflammation.

And that's when I really began to share it with our clients, our patients. It's so fascinating. We're kindred spirits in that sense, because everything that I've ever done came after me experiencing it. And I never felt like I was pitching or selling things to people more paying it forward, something that I loved. And I can just tell, if you listen to Dr. Kiltz's content, you know, you can just tell that he's not like muscling through it. By the way, I want you to know that another thing that we have in common, and I saw you do these lives at five in the morning. I get up at 4.30 every day. So I always take note of somebody else that's

there with me. And I saw that you're one of them. the best time of day for sure. But it is, it's, uh, what you said is true in that we need to experience ourselves. Now, I've never experienced fertility drugs or delivering a baby, you know, myself, birthing a baby. And so ultimately we can, we can empathize with people, but we can't really understand it. But nutrition is something we all need and we're all suffering from something. So when I did it and I was like, all these diseases are gone and I feel younger and younger, I'm almost 70. I've never felt better in my life. And I'm, like, you know what, there's something here that is so true and real. I can really be an expert

at understanding it where I've not had a menstrual period or delivered a baby, or gone through the pain of those things. But I certainly understand the pain and suffering that people are going through physically and emotionally from so many other things. Yeah. I wish that a lot more health practitioners were more open and curious. One of my favorite quotes, and this is what's funny. If you go look at my Facebook page today, I put up a post that said, what are your thoughts on the carnivore diet? And, you know, there it is, right? This one guy said to me, who I didn't know, he's like, well, why don't you try it and give your own opinion? And I said, oh, I have tried it and I feel great. I just love watching people argue about being right. My favorite quote is, it ain't what you

don't know that gets you in trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so. And that being said, You know, when I look at carnivore diet, right now, I look, I research, and I learn, and I want to ask you some questions about that, and I experience it, but it doesn't mean that I know for sure. I will never know anything for sure when it comes to nutrition, but I'll always remain open. I'm reading the book Outlive right now, which is a great book. Anyway, just quickly, I want to clarify something. You mentioned before that you did keto and carnivore. What's the difference? Well, keto is a scientific or a metabolic description of an environment in the body that means you have a high ketone bodies, beta-doroxibout, acetoacidate, and acetone circulating your bloodstream, which they're always there, by the way, because there are precursors for acetyl-CoA, which is the precursor to make ATP in the mitochondria. But ultimately, ketosis is just a metabolic state that you can measure. Carnivore, you know, you're either a carnivore, herbivore, or omnivore. You either eat plants, animals, or both. So, you know, those are things that all of us understand.

But ketosis, and, you know, it's a scary thing. Ketoacidosis, you know, it's something that seems scary that we're going to die from. But it's just an environment. Ketone bodies are everywhere in our body. They're critical. The liver makes them out of fat. in order to circulate the building blocks of acetylCoA to the rest of your body to make energy essentially. So is it safe to say that ketosis, you know, I mean, I would always tell people that we're trying to

lose weight, which is like, we're living like we're on a different planet right now with weight loss. It's just insane what's going on. But I know that a lot of people approach carnivore with weight loss intention, but you can't burn fat without having ketones in your urine, am I right? No, no, no. You only burn fat. Right. Fat is the only energy for the mitochondria.

You do not burn muscles. You do not burn bone. You do not utilize sugar as energy. Sugar must be converted to fat in the liver via insulin or you die. That's why type 1 diabetics become skinny amatiated and die unless they get insulin. And liver failure patients do the same thing, yet they have insulin and they have sugar. It's because the liver's job is to make fat. And so ketosis is a description, again, of measuring ketones either in the blood, the breath, or the urine,

but they're always there because they're critical to be there. And this idea, ketoacidosis is a hyperglycemic diabetic issue of no insulin. And so when you have high glucose levels, they affect the acid-based environment. of your body makes you acedotic, but you develop a metabolic acidosis. So then essentially you have ketones. We blame the ketones, but it's nothing to do with the ketones. It strictly has to do with sugar, which glycates.

Sugar is a glycating agent. Glacation is like rust, every cell of our body, which is the primary cause of almost all diseases. plant sugars and plants are never required in the human diet. So we are all eating a primarily plant-based diet, low-fat diet, and that's the single cause of almost all disease. Let's just say we evolved killing large animals and eating them the fatty meat, the brain, the organs, and the bone marrow raw. And that is actually the healthiest thing for, for humans in our evolution.

Now, we finally figured out killing an animal wasn't so easy. And, gee, I can eat the lettuce or the kale of the asparagus over here. But you couldn't eat it very readily without processing it and cooking it. And so, you know, this is the, you know, what did we eat 50,000 years ago? I have no idea. Nobody does. We're kind of making it up based on our observations. but we likely ate mostly animal and not plants and that's the simple story.

So this is so funny. And I always have to be careful what I say because like I don't mind if people have something to say, but I like to limit the barrage of it. So it's almost, if you look at that historically, if you are a plant-based person right now, you are eating based on the downstream effects of an evolution of, people that couldn't figure out how to eat meat, so they just turned to plants? I think we actually, we are so good at hunting large animals that we made them extinct or difficult to find.

So we had to go. And so when the population was so large where eating animals was getting a resource that was depleted, and then we went to the oceans and now we're depleting the oceans of fish. I mean, we deplete the world of the animals that we evolved on. And so it's difficult to do that. Now, we found that we can eat certain plants if they're processed, and we can feed the masses.

And plants are highly addictive. So once I'm addicted on the plants, I'm now your slave, soldier, peasant, and prisoner. as the leaders of the world, the lions, they understood that meat was off limits to the masses, but meat is the master meal. So as long as I eat fatty meat, remember the hunting grounds you cannot touch, it was always the elite that went to the hunting grounds and ate the meat. And so it may have been somewhat to do to controlling the masses in order to control our kingdoms.

And we knew how to do that. We're very intelligent, you know, humans. Although I don't know why anyone would want to go on a rocket to the moon in order to live on Mars or the moon. It doesn't make any sense to me. That might not be up to us. You're right. Someone's going to be doing it.

But this is what's happening in the world. Right. Heroin, cocaine, marijuana, nicotine, caffeine come from plants. These are highly addictive substances. And the most addictive substance is sugar. The exploration of the world is to, find spices and sugar. And those two things were the push to overcome other cultures and peoples of the world to control them. And ultimately, we spread our germs, which killed most

of them, and we took them over without much of a fight. From somebody that just listens and just ponderes that big sense, you know, I can hear it. Now, now I know that I could next week hear somebody else explained their story from the other side and say, yeah, I can see. So, you know, I just want everybody to know that, you know, at the end of the day, you get to think whatever you think is right. Guess what? It's right. It doesn't mean it's fact. But if I may, you, yeah, but if I may, I'm a doctor. Right, right, right. That's why I have you here. Right, right. Now, I'm no smarter than anyone else, but my job is to take care of sick people. Right. People come to me because they're not getting pregnant.

So they come to me not getting pregnant, and they say, I'm healthy and I eat healthy. And I'm saying, well, you're coming to me to try to get pregnant because it's not happening naturally. You're not healthy. Right. Something is going on. What's the cause of almost all disease?

The answer is, I don't know. Okay? So if the answer is mostly idiopathic and I don't know, then is it possible that our healthy diet is the primary cause of all disease? Absolutely. Absolutely. Okay. So I'm just so blown away.

way by this because the first thing that comes to my mind, you know, I speak a lot on my podcast and I do a lot of coaching on, you know, helping people recognize that whatever it is that you think is, is not necessarily what you think. It's what you've been told. So if you go back, you know, I said to my mother-in-law, I said, I'm going to interview this guy. She's from South Africa. They do everything the same way. Like, whatever they do is exactly the right way to do it. Nothing else, right? So I said to her, I'm going to talk to this guy today just to kind of ruffle her feathers that, you know, he's, he's medical doctor, he's an expert in the field. And he talks about the fact that, you know, the carnivore diet is a great idea.

And vegetables are not necessary. And then I just kind of like stick and move. And you could just see how she just said, well, then he's lost his mind. And that conversation was based on what she thinks is true because of what she was taught. So here's my question to you. There's a shift going on right now. And I almost feel like part of it is saying, hey, there's new science right now. And the old science is a little bit outdated.

And I don't know who's behind teaching us the old science. And I don't know who's behind and benefiting from saying everybody should eat plants all the time. Is science changing right now? Is that what's happening where we're recognizing this whole myth that you heard about the way that you should eat to avoid? things like cholesterol and all of that stuff, it wasn't necessarily true. Well, I think that's what social media is offering us, the internet. When I was in medical school, there was no social media, there was no internet. You had to be accepted to a medical school, to the library, to the knowledge in order to share it.

So going into alopathic medicine, osteopathic medicine, chiropractic or Eastern medicine, remember, these are schools of beliefs, all of them. So I'm in a belief system that in order to get my license and practice medicine, I have to sort of be in line to the belief system. But science is something which is a different story. I even believe most of the science is wrong. So remember, if we're wrong and lots of other things, well, why is science somehow right? It's not. It's just another thought. It's a belief system. All we're doing is telling a story. These are stories that create our lives. And it's the critical part of who and what we are. We're storytellers. We've been telling stories for infinite years.

We've been around the fire and sharing stories. Our mothers, fathers, grandfathers, or brothers and sisters, we're all telling stories. Is science wrong? I'm not trying to say science is wrong, but I think we're going in the wrong direction. And you can eat plants, and you might live a long time. My grandmother lived 104. She smoked palm malls, drank Manhattan, Italian from Italy, Mediterranean diet. She did have depression and Alzheimer's and other diseases, but she still lived a long time.

My parents lived in 94. They were similar. But again, you know, this idea that we can explain and say, well, what about this and this and this? Interesting enough, about 10% of people who smoke cigarettes get lung cancer. How come not 90%? We don't know that answer. So how many people that eat a plant-based diet or unhealthy don't know that? How many people that eat only carnivore are healthy?

No one really knows that answer, unfortunately. My job in life is learning. And COVID in some ways, if you think about all the things we've been hearing about all the treatments, all these diseases and who's telling what and who's right, we're just here to share a story. Whether you believe me or not, it doesn't matter. But if you're suffering and you've been doing everything you can to heal and it ain't working, carnivore is like the most amazing thing I've ever personally done. and I share it because like, well, gee, if you do my diet, not mine, you know, it's ancient and you

don't need me anymore, that's not good for my business, is it? That's so fascinating. That's a big part of this whole thing. Let's take a quick break to hear from our sponsor. The Make Sense podcast is sponsored by the Make Sense Academy, co-created by both myself, Meeker, aka The Chicken, and the Dragon. The Make Saints Academy is a live interactive community. We're like-minded, solution-focused, curious seekers of expansion, gather daily in a mastermind setting with both Chicken and Dragon, where they have access to premium content, online courses, and powerful collaboration and networking, all for $24 a month. The Make Sense Academy and its members are solely responsible for funding the Make Sense podcast. So feel free to reach out to us at www.org

rise up with dragon.com and check out the Make Sense Academy, risk-free with a money-back guarantee. Now, back to the Make Sense podcast. Just so everybody knows, because what I'd love you to do now is just break down because there's so many people out there reinventing everything, every second. Like I spoke to somebody today, and it's like if you say, who does the carnivore diet? You'll hear like 15 different versions of it.

But if you go to Dr. Kiltz's website, Dr.kiltz.com, click on this thing called Mighty Tribe, which is super cool, by the way. I see what you're doing there. And he offers this thing called the 30-day carnivore course, which for next to nothing. What I'd love you to do, Doc, is just explain to me, what is the carnivore diet? And why is it effective? Well, who's a carnivore in this world? Lions, tigers, cats, and actually dogs, too, wolves, too. And ultimately a carnivore eats only animal products, an herbivore eats only plant products, and an omnivore eats both. So I look at the carnivore diet, is someone focused on eating animal products, mostly fatty meat. I think the organ meats are good, but you don't have to prioritize those at all.

And I call it the baby's diet, bacon, eggs, butter, beef, even kilts his ice cream from time to time and salt. Now, do I ever eat a plant? rarely do I eat a French fry or a cookie cake or some ice cream, but not very commonly. I almost never drink alcohol anymore. I might have a sip from time to time, but almost nothing. And ultimately carnivore is a person who eats primarily animal-based. And there are some that are ultra-restrictive. I don't think it's necessary to be ultra-restrictive, but it is true that plants are highly

allergenic. They're the things that cause the allergies. Meat does not do that of any significance or frequency that I've ever heard of. So it really is by going carnivore, you're reducing the antigenic products of plants that are the reason we're having all these allergic reactions in our body. So, you know, I put out my mighty tribe. I got some books. I call the baby's diet. We got a baby's diet book. It's kind of fun and crazy because if you're pregnant, trying to get pregnant, you're breastfeeding, and when you're done breastfeeding, your baby, I should say, they should do the same thing, which is very, very, very radical. But remember an authority. The authorities are the priest, the pope, the president, the professors, and the physicians.

These are the authorities that are telling you and I how you should live. And, but I've just kind of got to the point where like, you know what, carnivores eat meat, I'm going to eat meat. And that's all I need to do. Essential fatty acids and amino acids come from meat, and there are little to know toxins that I know of of any significance or frequency in an animal-based diet. Is there anyone that it is not right for? Because this is one of the controversies, you know, and if you were to Google or ask the public, you know, which is the same thing as Google, because, you know, you're just getting a generalized answer. You hear the idea of predisposed for LDLs or cholesterol and all of that stuff. Like, is there a certain person that should take a different approach to the carnivore diet?

Cholesterol is the building block for every cell of your body, for your vitamin D and your hormones. Fat is what we're made of. Your cells are made of fat. Without fat, you don't exist. You dissolve in water, basically. So this idea that cholesterol and fat causes disease is untrue, number one. And so if the lie is so powerful, again, look at the dictators of the world. And again, religions, politics, and more have given us an idea of this is true. And ultimately, the cholesterol is a building block. You need it. You're a human being.

I'm a doctor. I open people up. I look under the microscope. I don't know who you are. The same physiology, the same anatomy, the same metabolic processes. So this idea that we're all different is not true. You might be genetically more predisposed to some of the diseases over others, but that still doesn't mean your DNA is the cause of disease.

Now, I'm a land animal. I'm not a bird or a fish. So my DNA says, this is who and what you are. I don't have a four-chambered ruminant gut. I have a monogastered gut that is built for. for eating fatty meat, which digest very rapidly. It's absorbed into the hepatic portal system and the lymphatics. The fat goes to the lymphatics.

The sugars and amino acids go to the hepatic portal system where insulin converts them to fat in the liver. And LDL, HDL, and VLDL are the critical delivery systems for fat, amino acids, simple sugars, minerals, and vitamins. and so we're making normal physiologic metabolic processes as to cause a disease, but it's strictly a unhealthy, mostly plant-based, low animal fat diet. That's the problem. And the biggest problem is plants contain sugars, they ferment in the gut,

and they glycate everywhere else. The plant chemicals, heroin, cocaine, marijuana, nicotine, caffeine, estrogen, progester, and testosterone, are all in plants. They damage your body. And then lectins, oxalates, phytates, and more are plant antigens. They're made of glycolipoproteins, which are antigenic as the major cause of all disease. And so ultimately, are you different than me? Well, you might look differently, but ultimately under a microscope and under the knife,

you're the same. You know, there's many variations of DNA. I mean, just like a zebra's coat is not identical to any of them. Well, your fingerprints and your DNA are slightly off, but you're still a human being. And ultimately, we're like lions. It's interesting if you read Pottinger's cats, cats that are fed raw meat and raw milk are healthy, and their progeny are healthy. But if they eat cooked meat or pasteurized milk, they're unhealthy.

So I believe ultimately we're simply from a raw animal meat. diet, that's our evolution. I like black and blue meat, and I can tell you that raw meat is healthier for them cooked meat. It's fascinating. Listeners, people that are watching, Dr. Kiltz is not your doctor, right? So, you know, I'm going to ask him a question right now about how he treats his patients. This is a video you're watching. I know you trust everything that, you know, like people are doing telehealth right. This is not a telehealth session right now. But, Doc, just when somebody comes to you and says, hey, I want to get healthy and I want to look at this carnivore and they do have high markers, blood pressure, cholesterol. Is that somebody that needs medication or what's the approach?

HDLDLDL, VLD cholesterol and triglycides are not a measure of disease in my opinion. Right. I'm giving my opinion, right? Good. You've got to do your own. So everyone that's listening, responsible for their own. health, everyone. That's right. And again, the access to knowledge is infinitely greater than ever before, and you're the only one that can do the experiment here. So it's kind of crazy concepts

in which way any of us should go. But I would say, what's, you know, cholesterol is high, my cholesterol is high, my HDL is high, my HDL is high, my triglycer is high. Well, as you learn and learn and learn and read, and you realize, oh, God, those people actually live longer. They have, have less diseases. Now, hypertension, diabetes, arthritis, psoriasis, you know, go down the list of what you're feeling. The problem is what's the test that's going to say, oh, you're diseased. Hemoglobin A1C elevated can be one, CRP, ESR, a high or low platelets, high or low red and white blood cells. Those are all things that may indicate looking at your glucose levels or insulin levels are helpful in all of this. I still recommend Western medicine. I'm in the team. I recommend it,

but you have to be discerning to understand what these blood levels mean in all of this. You know, I'm a simple guy. I typically one meal a day. I get up early. I meditate and pray every day. I do a little bit of walking and weights. I do my live every day. And I typically eat my one fatty meal a day. I'm right now. I'm on a four-day fast. I do a five-day fast, a July and January, and I do a two to three day fast every month, and typically one meal a day, which I think is the healthiest thing you can do. So that's part of your protocol is you eat once a day? Typically once a day or less.

Because, you know, everyone's trying to be on a diet and exercise or take drugs to not eat. Why not just eat one time a day? It's all the calories you need. You know, this idea that you should eat three to six meals a day is damaging to the glycobium. The glycobiome is the sugar layer of your gut and every other cell of your body. It's damaged by constant use, right? Think about if you overexercise or you put too many miles on your car, there's excessive damage in stress and strain and inflammation.

So eating one meal a day and fatty meat allows the absorption of the food, the nutrients, in order to be the building blocks of your body. And now the gut can heal. You do not want to feed the microbes in your gut because they love the food you eat. Protein amino acids are fermentable. Plants and sugars are fermentable, but fat is not fermentable. And so the microbes in your gut are actually deadly for us, in my opinion. They're not good.

They're fermenting, making alcohol in your gut. Our children are making alcohol in their gut. And ultimately, that alcohol is toxic to every cell of our body. Fascinating. where does somebody go? I mean, Dr. Kiltz's website has a ton of information and resource. He's not just some crazy guy that talks about this stuff. I mean, there's science behind this stuff. I'm just thinking right now that, because I've heard you say many times that people need to focus not only on what they put in their mouth, but what they put in their minds as well. You know, like, and I love that. You know, there's the consumption of food and then there's the consumption of crap, you know, out there. And we've never been so, so susceptible to that. ever before like this. If somebody wants to learn about it, where do they go? Because you're going to have the person that says, hey, listen, I do the plant thing or

I do my thing. And I feel fantastic. And I'm 80 and I love it this way. So it's not about saying you're mistaken. You come this way. This is about saying if somebody is struggling with their health, they might have a breakthrough with this. Is that your message?

Because you're going to have people that claim that. and show markers that they're healthy or whatever, doing something else. It's not about saying you're mistaken, come over to my side. This is about helping people that are struggling, am I right? Understanding the science of the human body. Right. Number one, fat is the fuel, not sugar. Number two, obesity causes no disease.

It's the building block and survival. Famines, disease, pestilence, war. Those are all things we've experienced for thousands and thousands of years. making fat is the most important thing for the liver and storing it everywhere so you could survive reproduction and many other things. And so, you know, if you're feeling great on a plant-based diet, gee, how much you feel on a carnivore diet? Remember, the fermentation of the plants in your gut are making things that make you feel

good. That doesn't mean they're good for you. I've seen plenty of healthy people drop dead or get cancer when they were healthy as can be. This is the challenge. Why do people, I have a 25-year young friend of mine, a son of one of my friends also, he's just diagnosed with cancer, stage four. And the question is, well, he was healthy. My best friend from medical school, Dave died of cancer at 52,

healthiest guy I've ever known. He was a, I mean, just the peak of health and wellness. So the problem is things happen fast and you don't even know it hit you. So why carnivore? Like anything else, you got to do something. You know, people want to do marathons. great. I don't recommend marathons. You know, you might do it once, but people drop dead. I used to run. I remember a 19-year-old dead on the side of the road from a heart attack. And I stopped it about 10, 15 years ago when I was just like wearing out my body. Look at my website, Dr. Kiltz.com. Look at our books on Amazon, Google, carnivore. We have a ton of links on our site to other carnivores. And I'm learning from all of them. I'm, we do a live every 5 a.m. Monday through Friday, 5. 3.3. on Monday evening.

We do a Zoom meetup where you come and you go like, this stuff is crazy. I don't believe it. I'm like, I didn't either. I thought the guy that I learned from some guy on YouTube or the internet, he was ripped, you know, looked amazing. He didn't exercise. He'd only meet.

And I said, I'm going to do that one. Let's see what happens. And so like anything else in life, do or do not, there be no try. You have to, I question everything. Now, again, technically a high fat, medium protein, low carb, cook the carbs well, kill the microbes, plenty of fat is the key, and eat one meal a day, you may do fine. That would be the keto carnivore sort of coin that's two sides. But I personally didn't do as well on keto as I did on carnivore.

So are you saying that because I mean here here's here's my deal I love I love it I mean I feel great on it but I still like having like a salad every now and then is that is that something that I do because I like but it's not necessary I mean are carbs necessary at all okay there's no requirement to eat a carbohydrate now remember there's no requirement to eat a plant Now, the question is, if sugar is not your energy of your body, what's its function in the human body? Can you tell me? Well, I mean, if we look at it just as sugar, because, I mean, like, the standard that

we're brought up in is that there's unhealthy carbs and healthy carbs. You know, I always, I never, I understand there's carbs and veg, but what I always, I was doing that more with the thought process of it being good for my, my digestion. That's a lie. And that's not true. If you actually dig deep and try to understand where the science came from, it's all a lie. It's propaganda to sell a product. Okay.

And remember, I'm going to sell you something that you're going to become addicted to, and now I own you. All right. I can sell you whatever I want. And that's what this world is all about. Buy, buy, buy, sell, sell, sell. I mean, how does a guy on Bitcoin shit or cryptocurrency make billions of dollars and the wealthiest people think he's the greatest guy in the world? And now he's in jail and we're all like dumb.

Yeah. So, plants are never required in the human diet. Sugars are for glycosylation. Right. Okay, so now, almost every amino, every protein is post-translationally modified in the endoplasmic particulate or the Golgi apparatus. So how fast are you making proteins in your body right now? Fast.

Fast, okay? Almost 100% of the amino acid proteins are being post. translationally modified, the majority of them are glycosylated. A sugar is bound to the protein. It creates the shape, the pH, the function of that protein. Without proper glycosylation, you have abnormal proteins. You create glycation. So how important is glycosylation? The most important thing you know. There are about nine sugars that circulate in the human body that are critical. Nacetal glucosamine, Nacetogelactosumine, glucose, glucose, glyclos, fucose.

Most people don't even know about these things, okay? So now, how important is post-translation modification? Every one of your neurotransmitters is a glycoprotein. Your hormones, your, your LHFSA, HCG, which are critical to make testosterone, sperm, eggs, embryos, and a baby are glycosylated. They're glyco-proteins. So now most people don't know about this science. And so if you don't know about something but you believe this is true, I'm like, well, wait a minute.

Have you seen the science on glycobiology? Nobody has. And so sugars are critical in the human body, but not for what you think it is. Right. Well, now there's going to be people out there that have a religious thing or, you know, like my mom, you know, like the animal rights and stuff. and I have nothing to say about that, but, you know, back to that healthy mind concept, you know, I get it. I understand that people are going to do what they're going to do and they're also not going to do

but what we're not going to do. But what we're talking about is now you know that there is information and something that is there. You get to choose whether or not you look at it or you explore in it, but now at least people know which is an important step. So I know that there's going to be a mix and match of people listening to this. And at the end of the day, unless they're forced by the hand of disease or just they're, you know, they're sick and tired of being sick and tired, people are most likely going to

retreat back to the comfort zone of what they know, the known. And all I would say is that I like to explore. I like to, you know, I mean, I don't want to die one day and say, oh, I wish I tried that. I can definitely say, without my mother's approval, that I know my body. You know, I'm 52 years old, going on 53. I'm an athlete. I run. You know, I don't run too much.

I saw your TED talk, and you were talking about how we weren't made to run unless we were trying to get away from getting killed. So, you know, there's a lot of great value in what Dr. Kiltz has to say. But I think the most important thing is, is if you watch this and you listen to this and you say, no fucking way, you know, that is just your, that's just your choice. I mean, you could be a carnivore and say that about something else, but until you actually experience something and feel it and check the science out, you know, you're just somebody that likes to say things.

Agreed? Each of us determines our lives, nobody else. That's right. We are the gods. God is created within every single human being. We're capable through every thought to create every thing. thing. And I went to Madrid last week and lions were the symbol of strength everywhere. And so we are the lions, but we've been lied to. By whom? It doesn't matter. I'm not blaming anyone. This is

not blaming anyone. I take full responsibility for myself where I'm at and what I believe. But I'm on a quest to figure out how the human body really works. Now, I sometimes have some french fries or some really great sourdough with a lot of butter, or I might have some really great pasta, but rarely. But I do not eat salad. Salads, nature's toilet paper, don't touch it. Fruits and vegetables, seeds or nuts that are raw are deadly for us in ways that people don't understand. They contain heroin, cocaine-like substances.

That is one of the challenges. And that's why the grinding of the seeds is not good. But, again, small amounts, it's not likely to kill her for any of us, right? Enjoy those things rarely. I love a really great Caesar salad, the best. And so you're right. Look at a plant-based diet requires immense agriculture, which kills many animals, by the way. And plants are live organisms that actually control you and I.

They are alive and they are sentient beings. They know how to get you to eat them, by the way. and they control you. Just think of how we're controlled by food. And plants, if you look at a cell of a plant, it has more DNA than you do. It has an electro-molecular structure and emits electrical energy. So if you think that plants don't have the upper hand, I think we're wrong. Very interesting.

In closing, in the beginning of our conversation, you were given this analogy of what you think might have happened in evolution, how, you know, we ran out of meat and we were forced to survive by eating plants. What about that aspect of it? You know, if you look into the future, are we in jeopardy of not being able to facilitate a world that goes carnivore? Well, I think we're better off in helping the grasslands of the world and the herbivores to thrive and survive because agriculture is going to be the ruination of modern adults. or agriculture because we're basically feeding the masses, rice, beans, corn, and wheat.

And ultimately, that's causing the majority of the damage to humanity. So ultimately, is it better to feed people a bunch of food that actually is going to make them sick and addicted and weak and meat? Or should we help them all find the healthiest diet you can eat, which is fatty meat? Plus, you eat a lot less food because everything you eat. eat from meat is actually all absorbed, where you eat mostly plants, most of it comes out the other end, which causes colon cancer and every other disease we're suffering from, unfortunately, and who gets it and why I don't have that answer, but I can tell you that when you, you're working

locally. I mean, you can my meat tons of places. We ship it around the world. And so there's plenty of ways for us to raise regeneratively and compassionally the animals that we evolved eating. Again, I mean, put an infant on a plant-based diet, or an adolescent or child. That is actually unacceptable. Those are dangerous diseases, disease-prone diets. And remember, a vegan, even a vegetarian, must supplement with supplements. What animal looks for a supplement in this world? What supplements did you take 50,000 years ago?

None. So now, as a plant-based eater, you now are relying. on the companies that make the supplements that theoretically make you healthier. I don't know if that's true, personally. Somebody right now is going to say, I'm going to go do this. I'm going to go to the Mighty Tribe. I'm going to do the 30-day carnivore course. But what you're going to see is that he's not just saying,

go to your local grocery store and grab some meat because there's some real shit out there. So where would you direct people to go to get good quality animal protein? Well, okay. So here's an interesting fact. Your body wants animal fat, not animal proteins. We have a much lower requirement for protein than people understand. Almost all proteins break down to amino acids. They go to the lever to converted to fat.

People are not getting skinny on proteins. They're getting fat on food, right? Because they're overeating it. But ultimately, we have the best quality food around this in America for sure. And whether it's the cheap meat or the expensive meat, I personally don't believe that that is the game changer. Now, I personally like some particular meat that I get as mail order like Snake River Farms and some other things. But I don't think that that matters so much personally.

Now, whether it's industrial raised or free range, you know, I think there's some ethical things that we all should move towards. But if economically you can only get down to the corner market, and buy the inexpensive meat, you're still going to be healthier than buying a bunch of plants and not eating the fatty meat. But that said is look for your local rancher, a farmer, and again, plenty of mail orders out there that will help you find some really great, great. Again, fatty meat is the most important thing to eat. You want to prioritize fat and animal fat.

There's plant oils and animal fat. Plant oils are not natural to human consumption. They're industrially produced. Even crushed olive oil and other seed oils, those are not primarily what we should be eating, in my opinion. You want to focus on animal fat. Again, you're going to begin to research it. I find, you know, Sam's Club, Costco,

many of the lower price chopper has great meat there. And again, the ranchers, the farm, they're growing great, amazing meat out there. You know, whether or not it's getting vaccinated or hormones or antibiotics, those are things that talk to your rancher, find what they're doing. Talk to the butcher. Go to a butcher. Great.

You know, bacon, eggs, butter, beef and salt, pork belly, beef belly, lamb belly, fatty meat, that's what you want to eat. Ruminant meat. Wow. Well, your passion and commitment is, is, contagious. So it's just such an honor to have you on the show. I know that you're an extremely busy guy. And I know that, you know, like me, you know, your day somewhat ended before because we started at 4.30 this morning. Thank you so much for being on the show. I really truly think that

you're going to help people make sense of the carnivore diet. And we'll put all of his information. He's got great books out. And like I said, you can go to his website and become informed rather than just leave here in a huff and say, I'm going to go with what I think. And he's got a 30-day carnivore course that'll just, and I believe it's a lifetime membership. You buy it once and you always get it and that'll walk you through it. So Dr. Kiltz, thank you so much for being here on the Make Sense with Dr. J.C. Dornick podcast. Have an amazing day. J.C., God bless you. Thank you so much.