Mantra with Jemma Sbeg - I Exude Confidence In All Situations

Episode Date: July 14, 2025

This week's mantra is I Exude Confidence in All Situations. Confidence isn’t about having all the answers—it’s about trusting yourself no matter the circumstances. In this episode of Mantra, we explore how to shift out of self-doubt, tap into your inner authority, and carry yourself with grounded assurance in every room you walk into. Exuding confidence doesn’t mean pretending—it means owning your presence, your voice, and your worth, even when things feel uncertain. This Mantra will help you lead with calm strength and step into each moment with unshakable self-trust. Mantra is an OpenMind Original Podcast, powered by PAVE Studios. Listen wherever you get your podcasts. For ad-free listening and early access to episodes, subscribe to OpenMind+ on Apple Podcasts. Don’t miss out on all things Mantra! Instagram: @mantraopenmind | @OpenMindStudios TikTok: @OpenMind Facebook: @0penmindstudios X: @OpenMindStudios YouTube: @OpenMind_Studios To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Join our Open Mind Plus community on Apple podcasts. Each month, I love responding to your questions and comments on our bonus episodes, so leave a comment on this episode or on Instagram at mantraopenmind. And we'll keep the discussion going there. We'll get into this week's mantra in just a second. Stick around. We'll be right back after this short pause. I'm extra excited for this week's mantra because it is a tie-in episode to my other

podcast, The Psychology of Your 20s. We are doing kind of like a companion episode to this one over there, All on Confidence. We'll link it in the description below. But if you're joining me from there, welcome, welcome to Mantra. Let's talk about this week's mantra. I exude confidence in all situations and what it means. I think we firstly need to begin by discussing what confidence is and what it isn't, who it is for and who it is not for, because having that understanding is entirely necessary for stepping into your power as a magnetic, self-assured individual. There are so many misconceptions about confidence, primarily that it means that you feel amazing all the time, that you have no

insecurities, that you are completely free of doubt, there's no hard moments in your life. There's also this idea that I hear a lot that confidence is something that you're born with. It's like a facet of your personality, like being an introvert or an extrovert, having being negative or positive blood type, something that you are born with, you either have it or you do not. That is false. That is absolutely false. Anybody can become confident if they have the right tools.

This is what confidence is. It is rooted in self-respect. You are not chasing approval. You are acting in alignment with your values in a very powerful, intentional way, rather than behaving so as to impress people or to be a version of yourself who will please them. Confidence is actually quite quiet and calm. I think of confidence as being very gentle rather than loud and arrogant.

You're not trying to make others feel small to make yourself feel big. I think of confidence as being very gentle rather than loud and arrogant. You're not trying to make others feel small to make yourself feel big. It's not about trying to shout over others' voices. It's not about trying to be the loudest person in the room. It's about stepping into a room and knowing that you know who you are. You don't need to prove anything. You don't need to show anybody anything. You're allowed to just exist in the form that you feel best in.

Confidence also means a willingness to try without the promise of success. And there's two other words that I think of when I say this. I think of the words cringe and I think of the word embarrassment. If you are confident you are okay with being embarrassed, you're okay with cringing past versions of yourself. In fact, beyond the cringe, beyond the embarrassment is actually a sense of appreciation. You know the importance of doing things that make you feel uncomfortable and growing through them. You're okay with laughing at yourself a little bit. It also involves an acceptance of imperfection and maybe even more than that,

I think an elevation and a celebration of imperfection. What I really mean is that when you are confident, you don't see the parts of you that make you different or unique as something to hide, but actually it's something that makes you quite remarkable and quite special. I always think of certain models who become really, really successful based on a feature they were always made fun of. Their gap teeth, their bushy eyebrows,

their different colored eyes. Confidence is really the ability to take and accept what other people would ordinarily make you feel bad about and love it even more. So in that way, I think it really just means authenticity, knowing who you are, being firm in your value, in your beliefs, unshakable in your self-respect, being open about your interests, being open about how you wish to express yourself, and knowing in your heart of hearts that you will be okay if other people don't like you. You don't have to defend yourself.

You don't have to stoop. You just have to exist as you wish to. When you really get into the habit of being a confident individual, it's incredibly effortless because what it really means is just restoring previous versions of you that you thought you needed to hide. It's really just being comfortable with being who you are, which is the most natural thing that should hopefully come to anyone. The interesting thing that I see a lot is that confident people are often the ones who people want to tear down the quickest.

Confident people are so threatening to people who are insecure because they haven't done the work themselves. I always say this though, you are never going to be criticized or torn down by someone who truly loves themselves because they want you to succeed. They want to help you get to the spot that they're in. They want to help you get to the top. It's the people who don't have the courage to do that who will criticize you the most

because if they can't be where you are, they may as well bring you down to their level. So this really brings me to discussing what confidence is not. Confidence, my friends, is not rooted in comparison. I can assure you that right now. Specifically, it is not rooted in what we call downward social comparison, the kind of comparison where we only feel good if we believe we're doing better than others. This will fail you pretty quickly because as any wise person knows, there will always be someone better than you. There will always be someone performing at a higher level.

There will always be someone more attractive than you. So your confidence cannot be tied to someone else's performance, someone else's beauty, someone else's success or lack of it because you will constantly feel like you need to be more, you need to do more. I think I fell into this trap so much when I was younger, really tying my self-worth not just to where I sat compared to others, but how I performed on certain tasks, not really realizing this stuff would never be enough.

Specifically for me, it was always around grades. I felt so terrible in my looks. I felt so terrible in my personality, actually. This one thing that I could feel good in was that I could work really, really hard, and that brought me confidence. And then when I entered a new environment where other people worked equally hard, I had no confidence left because I was tying it to something that was dependent on others and that was actually quite fickle.

Confidence is not ego-based. It is not focused on proving your worth to others. You are the judge and the jury of your own value and what makes you happy. And I think finally, it is not all or nothing. If you want to exude confidence in any and all situations, it's going to sound counterintuitive. You have to accept that some days you just won't be feeling it. You just won't be feeling it. You won't be feeling yourself.

You won't be in a good mood. You have to be committed to faking it until you've convinced yourself otherwise. This realization actually has a name. It's known as the paradox of confidence. Once you actually accept your frailty, once you actually accept the peaks and the troughs of your self-belief, your confidence will actually only grow because you really bring in this ability to maintain a stability in yourself even if things are going wrong, even if you don't feel it.

Confidence is really the secret sauce. I always think of this quote from Roald Dahl in which he talks about how thinking beautiful thoughts will always make you a beautiful person. I think the same goes for confidence. Confident thoughts, they sparkle out of you. They draw others in. It's like this big golden orb that expands and slowly touches others and brings others in and it all starts from your mindset. I also think that the true mark of a confident person is that they make others

feel good about themselves as well they make others feel good about themselves as well because they feel good about themselves firstly. There is the safety in the presence of someone who is confident in themselves. You have nothing to prove to them because you know they have nothing to prove to you. Can you see how confidence becomes all-encompassing? Like it really does start with intention, it starts with thoughts, it starts with how you think about yourself deliberately, then it becomes behavior, then it becomes habit, then it becomes who you are, then it shines onto others. And it all begins with an acceptance of what makes you special and authenticity.

So in case you need more convincing, let me give you some reasons why I truly believe that focusing on confidence is going to reward you more than focusing on anything else. Specifically, your appearance, specifically your looks, your clothes, your body, the external you. Research has found above any physical quality that people have, other individuals will always find confidence

one of the most attractive traits that someone can have. They rate confidence as more attractive than any physical feature on someone. Confident individuals also more likely to do well in job interviews, they're more likely to have more friends, they're more likely to do well in job interviews. They're more likely to have more friends. They're more likely to express greater life satisfaction. And something that actually comes up a lot when you talk to people who are naturally

confident is that they will always have a story of how they weren't always that way, how this is something that they've learned. Because it's something that you have to teach yourself and something that you learn, it becomes something that you can actually control. Unlike high bone structure, aging, confidence is a skill you can build. And that makes it so powerful and such a reliable asset because it isn't dictated by external factors. There are definitely certain situations where it's very hard to do this. And I've found they are

usually specific to each of us. So dating, you could be the most confident person when it comes to work, friends, but then you go on a first date and you shrink down. Trying something new, public speaking, people find it really hard to be confident disagreeing with someone or setting boundaries. For me, I've noticed that I usually have a lot of self-doubt and difficulty managing that self-doubt when I'm around people who knew me when I was younger and who knew me when I was a less experienced, developed version of myself, specifically people that knew me from the ages of 17 to 22. I didn't like who I was back then. And the interesting thing is, is that when I'm around people who knew me back then, I actually find myself regressing to

a less self-assured, more scared version of me. And it's rooted in deeper insecurities and unhealed experiences. What that means is that when I'm around these people, my confidence levels are naturally very shaky because I'm thinking, what if they continue to misunderstand me? What if I can't prove to them how much I've grown? What if they judge me for the past? What if I don't match their previous expectations? It's weird. It's complex.

And it does go to show that confidence is a muscle that will continue to be tested and that you have to keep building and it will be challenged, perhaps that's a good thing. We're gonna take a short break, but when we return, I wanna give you an exact guide to living, breathing, believing in our mantra, I exude confidence in all situations and how believing that and saying it to yourself as frequently as possible is actually the key to a confident life.

Stay with us. Breaking news, McDonald's international menu items are vanishing. McPizza bites missing in Italy. Big Rosti stolen from Germany. Teriyaki chicken sandwich disappears in Japan. And a Biscoff McFlurry blackout in Belgium. Oh, it's just in. Welcome back. Now that we've looked at the meaning behind today's mantra, I exude confidence in all situations. Let's get personal. I want to share some of my own insights and reflections

about this phrase, beginning with my own story of being someone who was once very scared and very shy to someone who is now very confident, very, very confident. And I don't say that in a braggy way. I say that in a way of like deep pride in myself because it did take time and it did take effort and it did take a real deliberate focus of my own energy to get me to where I am now. And I had this moment the other day, I don't know, what was I doing? I think I was meeting new people and afterwards I was like, wow, I felt absolutely no anxiety

about that situation. I felt completely at peace. I felt like I was such a master of myself and I was reflecting on who and how I would have reacted 10 years ago and it would have been a completely different story. So I'm going to tell you why that's the case. I've spoken about this on the podcast before, but when I was a kid, I was bullied a lot. I was a really weird kid. I was super strange and I love that about myself.

Now, back then people didn't love that about me. So I would second guess myself a lot. I wouldn't really speak up. I think that people would look at me and they could tell that they could really get to me and it would be very easy to push my buttons. And I had this battle within me because of this, this equal desire to be seen and to be loved and to make friends, but also another desire to be as small as possible because I felt like if I was myself and if

I was loud and I was who I actually am, people wouldn't like that version of me. This really manifested in a lot of nervousness, overthinking everything, second guessing myself constantly. The overthinking part was the worst. I would get like invited to a party and then I would spend the three days before that party thinking about every single possible scenario. Every single way that people could judge me or misunderstand me, I would obsess over exactly how I wanted to be perceived based on my clothes,

based on my hair, what topics I was going to bring up. Confidence to me, it did not even exist. It was just something that I desperately wanted and didn't know how to get. And there was a lot of social anxiety that became attached to that. And that actually manifested in a great deal of outward compensation where I would want to appear more exuberant, more alive, more self-assured. And it meant that I would be kind of too loud, too arrogant.

I would just be the loudest person in the room and I would make fun of myself and I would be crazy because I was like, I don't know who I am. What's the role that I can play here that I think will make people like me and it didn't make people like me and I would panic about everything that I had done the next day because I was not acting authentically. Do you kind of identify a cycle here? Maybe you're in the similar cycle, overcompensating, playing a character who isn't you and because that isn't you, experiencing a really deep cognitive dissonance that results

in panic and more fear that means that the next time you step into a social situation that's unknown, you feel even worse and you keep trying to put up this like, fakeness and this like, facade. I would make all of my choices at that time based on how they would be perceived. And I'm not just talking choices about appearance. I'm talking career choices. I'm talking dating choices. I'm talking friendship choices,

even how the inside of my apartment and my bedroom looked. It was, how does this make me look to others before it was how does this make me feel? Only when I think I was about halfway through university did I start to really come into my own. And I remember one day I just had this big moment, this epiphany after a particularly brutal rumination spiral where I just thought, how tragic would it be if I spent my entire

life thinking about others when they probably never think of me. I cannot waste my life, my one life trying to monitor and mediate how others think about me and being anything less than exactly who I want to be and who I want to show up as. There was a secondary part to this where I realized as well, someone not liking me is actually, honestly, not my problem. It will take up so much more headspace in their brain than it will ever in mine unless I choose to focus on it. At which stage like that's my own fault, that's my own doing, focusing on other people's thoughts when I actually don't own those thoughts, I'm not responsible for those thoughts, I'm not expecting other people to act a certain

way to impress me, why should I be applying that to myself? I became magnetic when I realized no one else could hear my doubts. No one else could hear my thoughts. Their thoughts could not affect me. If you walk into a room pretending that you have never doubted yourself in your life, you just have to watch how people flock to you. Watch how easy it is to convince yourself of that as well. So here are the things that I did differently

around that time that I think made a difference and which allowed me to exude confidence in all situations because I felt amazing, which then transferred into my behavior and onto those around me. Firstly, I spent more time alone. I now find solitude to be incredibly sacred. When I was a less confident person, I felt like I had something to prove by being around people all of the time.

Because I was so reliant on external validation, I needed to be around people all the time. When you're alone, you will gain more confidence, not just in your abilities, but also in your decisions because no one else is going to make them for you. But also you are allowed to do whatever you want without the pressure and the eyes of others on you. You really begin to trust your own instincts,

you know what is right, and you also begin to act in a way that you would ordinarily act on other people if you didn't care about what they think, or what they thought. Secondly, I got a hobby that I could be bad at, but that I loved. For me, becoming authentic really meant leaning into fun and experimentation and leaning into what made me really, really happy. That was a part of that for me, having that hobby, having that grounded thing that no

one else could really touch. Thirdly, this one is crucial and I still do this today. If you come to my house, you will notice I do not have any mirrors. I have no mirrors in my house. I have maybe two tiny mirrors for doing makeup and one in the bathroom, but it was a conscious choice I made back in 2019 that I didn't really want to have the opportunity to look at myself all the time.

I saw this TikTok actually that said a very similar thing. We were not meant to be observing and able to critique our bodies and our faces and looking at ourselves all the time. Like the only time we were really able to even know what we looked like was when we would look in the reflection of water. And even then it would be all muddled and confusing. The presence of mirrors for me, I find that automatically we start grooming and we start

trying to change things that no one else can see. So when I stopped allowing mirrors, when I just made a conscious choice not to have them in my home, I started wearing things that I felt more comfortable in. I was dressing based on vibes rather than based on appearances. I felt less restricted. I was more comfortable. Things just came more effortlessly. I left the house without makeup. I didn't really do my hair and it felt really freeing. Fourth, I started moving my body in ways that I enjoyed rather than in ways that felt like I was doing it for vanity.

I used to go to the gym so much to shape my body. Now I exercise to shape my mind because I understand that all my power as an individual comes from having good mental well-being and a grounded sense of self. For me, that means I no longer do like really intense and hit workouts and big group workouts. I would much prefer to exercise in nature and to be out and doing things I love and moving, then doing something that is all for appearances sake. Nature is also another component of becoming more confident. Nature is a natural antidote to so many things. What I find so beautiful about being in the hills or in the bush,

or being in the waves is that nature is an equalizer. It does not give a single damn about how you look. It does not care about who you are. It will not judge you. And if you feel like the barrier between you and confidence is judgment, being in a place where that judgment is completely gone is really, really liberating. Finally, another conscious thing I did in my confidence journey was that I started unfollowing people who I felt I had a

natural urge to compare to. It was not their fault, right? Like they didn't have to do anything, they didn't have to change anything. I just realized that I wasn't following them and consuming their content for the right reasons. I had to be more protective of my environment and that included filtering out information that I was receiving that was making me feel bad about myself. That was the first step. Nowadays, I do follow people who I think might previously have made me compare to them because I'm more confident myself and I know that their beauty and their success does not mean

the lack of my own. Here's the thing, confidence is based in behaviors and it's based in daily habits. There is no bigger secret than that. The most confident people you and I know, all of that power and charisma they have emanates from their mindset, not clothes, not looks, not how others treat them. There is intention there. So how do you get access to that mindset? I think part of exuding confidence is having a ritual that brings you into a confident mindset

that is not tied to a specific situation. It is not dictated by your mood, it's not dictated by who you're around or anything that feels out of your control. This ritual, which I think we all need, should contain a few steps. It should be based around activities that you know will always leave you feeling amazing. And it's something that you can pull out of your drawer and practice

before a big date, before a dinner with strangers, before a big work presentation. Having ritual is so essential because ritual cues your brain to get into a specific mental state whenever you want it to, rather than kind of having to wait to feel confident or waiting for confidence to magically appear to start something. Okay, I'm going to talk you through my ritual and also how to find your own ritual, starting with a few questions. When was the last time that you felt unshakably confident? What were you doing and what led to that feeling? What clothes, colors, sense, music

make you feel powerful or magnetic? How can you bring more of that into your life? What helps you connect to your purpose and sense of self? That deep part of you that feels like it has a mission and a reason for being here. When was the last time you actively sought out experiences that put you in touch with this element of you? Finally, when I say exude confidence, where do you feel that sensation in your body? Just close your eyes right now, think about that sensation. I'm exuding confidence.

I'm exuding confidence. Where is that coming from in your body and what other activities bring that about? This should really give you a bit of a clue as to what your ritual could be made up of. Here's what my ritual looks like for some inspiration. So when I know I'm having a low day or when I want to make a really good impression, the first thing I do is I put on a specific playlist that I have full of songs that I know will make me feel capable of literally punching through a wall. The playlist, it's called Butt Lift, and I have added and added songs to it every year since I

made it many, many years ago. And it really always cues a certain mood for me. Secondly, before a big thing, I always dance. I always let myself move. I let the nervous energy kind of travel through my body naturally. Thirdly, I actually do repeat this mantra to myself. I take a few deep breaths and I just say, I exude confidence in all situations. I exude confidence in all situations. I exude confidence in all situations. I exude confidence in all situations. The more you say it to yourself, the more your body's like,

okay, this is something that we believe. This is something that we really feel. I will also try and imagine the most confident person I know and how they would handle that situation. It's called social modeling. It's an incredible psychological concept. Your brain begins to mirror the imagined behavior of someone else if they're a role model, someone that you admire. You can also visualize the most confident

version of you, which is equally powerful. It's actually something known as the Batman effect. Having a persona, having an alter ego, having a really strong vision of a very confident, self-assured version of you that you can tap into, puts a bit of psychological distance between you and yourself to out. And finally, I do the golden bubble exercise right before entering. So the golden bubble exercise is this visual mind exercise where before I walk into any room, I imagine I have this big golden orb in my chest. And as I breathe in and I breathe out, the golden orb gets bigger and bigger and bigger. And that golden orb is everything I love about myself. It is passion, it is confidence,

it is warmth, it is gentleness, and it goes on to surround every single person around me as I enter, as I walk into any space. And so when they walk into my orbit, I imagine that they feel this golden flush go over them. And it really, really works. Let me finally remind you this. You are allowed to take up space and be seen. People want you to be authentic, and they find that more alluring, more than they want perfection. They want people who make them comfortable by being vulnerable themselves. That is where true confidence lies. It is an energy.

It is something that you have to invest in. If it really helps you to do this, I always imagine confidence is like this powerful energy source. And I imagine taking from it or drinking from it, receiving from it anytime I need it. Make it really visual for you. It really helps. Okay. Now that we've gotten personal with this, now that I've talked about my ritual, let's talk a little bit further about how to bring this energy into your everyday life in a really grounded, specific way. We're going to talk about some journal prompts and also of course our weekly challenge. So stick around for more after this quick break. So you said this would be the summer of you. But then you remembered you have kids and now you spend every sunny day at

water parks and petting zoos. So be it. We do the prep so you can get your you time back with freshly prepared, ready for you dishes from Sobeys. Welcome back to this week's mantra. I exude confidence in all situations. Let's take a few minutes to really reflect, reset, connect this theme to your everyday life, starting with our second deep thought of the day. This one comes from Christina

Grimmie. Confidence is not they will like me. Confidence instead is I'll be fine if they don't. I feel like I've heard this quote before and every time I'm like, wow, that's very, very true because it is. Confidence is not something that is dictated by other people's opinions. It is not something that is dictated by other people's actions. I really want to get that into our minds and get that into our heads. If you think it is, you're going to be unsuccessful. you're going to be unsuccessful. It is a sense of complete okayness and complete self-assurance that you are going to be fine even if the worst case scenario occurs.

You actually don't need the social approval of others. You don't need them to like you, to like yourself. Whilst we're in this reflective mindset about that quote, let's keep going. I want to share a few more journal prompts. Every mantra I think lands differently depending on what you're going through and what you're moving through. So these questions are here to kind of help you explore what this one really means for you on your own terms in your own time. A reminder, I know that for some of you journaling just like isn't your thing, you might not even have your journal nearby, you might be driving, totally okay.

You can also just take a quiet moment to reflect on these prompts wherever you are. Firstly, where in your life do you feel the most confident and what allows that version of you to show up so fully? Next, when was the last time you held back because you didn't feel confident enough? What did you lose and what story were you telling yourself in that moment? And finally, imagine you're in a room full of people. What does it mean to be confident without competing and how would you act if that was your mission?

Now that you've made the space to reflect, let's give your mind just a little bit of a moment to rest. In just a second, you'll hear a music track. I encourage you to just take this opportunity to process this week's reflections in whatever way feels right to you. No pressure, no expectations. If this isn't for you, it's only going to take around 30 seconds. You can just skip ahead, but as you settle in, please keep our mantra in mind. I exude confidence in all situations. Let it guide you.

Take it to where it needs to take you. Connect with whatever it is bringing up for you. Beautiful. Whenever I take a few seconds to just like breathe after a big discussion, I just notice how much lighter I feel. It's like a little mini reset for your mind. Just enough space just to like pause before you move forward. Now that you've had a moment to reset and ground yourself, let's take all this energy, let's put it into action.

I want to give you a weekly challenge inspired by our mantra. The purpose of this challenge is really just to help you take what we discuss and put it into action. And I'd love to hear how it's going for you. You can reach out to me at mantraopen or OpenMind also with your questions, with your dilemmas, any comments. I always love being able to answer these in a special bonus episode that's available exclusively on OpenMind+.

Okay. This week's challenge is the confidence without truth challenge. I want you to do one thing that you would normally avoid because you don't feel ready. Maybe this means you're going to apply for a job that you're not quite sure if you're ready for or post something online that you've been working on that you feel too afraid to share because it's not perfect. Wear an outfit that you just keep hiding in the back of your closet because it's not

flattering. Whatever you do, I want you to do it without needing anyone else's permission, without feeling like it needs to be perfect. Just put it out there. I know I already have given you a couple of quotes today, but here's a bonus quote from James Clear's book, Atomic Habits. Done is better than perfect. And I think with confidence, that's the thing that we need to set us in motion.

All right. As we wrap up this week's episode, I want to share a few final thoughts about this mantra. I exude confidence in all situations. I just want to say confidence isn't proven by how loud you are. It is revealed in how you show up for yourself first. Specifically in moments when people aren't actually watching you. In moments when you have nothing to prove.

It's the way you carry yourself. It's the way you exist without external expectations. And it's about taking that and making it your public persona as well. Confidence is trust. It's trust that you don't need anyone else's permission to belong or to be here or to wear that or to do that thing. Just being alive like that's permission enough. This week and beyond, just let your presence be the proof that you are capable of a confident mindset and confident actions. Thank you for joining Mantra, an exclusive Open Mind original powered by Pave Studios.

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