Mantra with Jemma Sbeg - I Let My Work Speak Louder Than My Doubt

Episode Date: June 2, 2025

This week's mantra is I Let My Work Speak Louder Than My Doubt. Self-doubt can be loud, but consistent effort and integrity speak volumes. In this episode of Mantra, we explore how to quiet inner criticism, stay focused on your goals, and trust that showing up—day after day—is more powerful than any fear. Letting your work speak louder than your doubt doesn’t mean you never question yourself—it means you keep going anyway. This Mantra will remind you to lead with action, lean into your purpose, and let your growth do the talking. Mantra is an OpenMind Original Podcast, powered by PAVE Studios. Listen wherever you get your podcasts. For ad-free listening and early access to episodes, subscribe to OpenMind+ on Apple Podcasts. Don’t miss out on all things Mantra! Instagram: @mantraopenmind | @OpenMindStudios TikTok: @OpenMind Facebook: @0penmindstudios X: @OpenMindStudios YouTube: @OpenMind_Studios To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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listening, join our Open Mind Plus community on Apple Podcasts. This week, I'm going to catch you up on what's been going on in my life and then we'll dive into today's powerful mantra, I let my work speak louder than my doubt. This one is all about silencing imposter syndrome, not by over proving or overthinking, but by trusting that what we create holds a value even when our inner critic gets too loud. Stick around, we'll be right back after this short pause. Welcome back. We are going to get into this week's mantra in just a few, but before we do, it's time for my highs, lows, and who knows.

But before we do, it's time for my highs, lows, and who knows. I think it's a really good day for a high, and that high is that I finally finished my Dinner with Strangers series that I recently did across Australia. So essentially, with my book having been released a month ago now, I really wanted to do something fun to connect with listeners of the podcast and people who have read the book. And I decided that I really also wanted to give people the opportunity to meet some new people and make friends with people who had at least one thing in common with them, that

being that they listened to either mantra or the psychology of your 20s. And so I decided to create these very small dinner parties with 20 to 30 people. One of them did end up being kind of larger. Just to be able to sit down and have cozy, intimate, deep chats about our lives and about what we're interested in. It was so unbelievably fun. We did Melbourne, Sydney, Brisbane, Canberra. I really want to end up at some stage going to Perth and Adelaide and then of course bringing it to the US and to Europe and the UK.

But here are some of the things that I learned from that experience. Number one, 30 people is a lot of people. I don't know why I was like, oh, 30 people, that's not that many. I'll be able to have one-on-one chats with all of them. I did, but it was hard because I wanted to keep talking to everyone for as long as possible. I really thought that 30 was not that huge of a number,

but it definitely is. Secondly, whenever you're organizing some big event, maybe it's a birthday party, maybe it's a wedding, whatever, things are going to go wrong and you kind of just have to get them out of the way and say, great, the disaster of the day has occurred. We can tick that off our to-do list and move forward. Thirdly, don't drink wine on an empty stomach, especially when you're on antibiotics because that was a mistake I made one of those nights and I was so sleepy and was like, I'm really feeling it.

Remember to eat the food as much as you talk. When we were in Canberra, I just missed the meal entirely. I don't even remember what we ate because I was so focused on just chatting. And living on a plane is not as glamorous as you think. You know, when I was a kid, my mom traveled so much for work and I was like, wow, that's so cool. She's always on a plane and she's just like, hi, fly a jet set. I don't know.

I want that lifestyle. It's actually really awful. You really just crave your own bed and you crave your own shower and you're not getting any of those things. So it was all in all such a positive experience though. Um, it definitely wasn't a money-making activity, but it was just a joyful activity and I really can't wait to do it again soon, maybe in some fun new locations.

Actually, if you have a place you want us to visit, drop a comment below, get that community engagement up. Okay, let's get into it. It's time for this week's mantra, I let my work speak louder than my doubt. I love this mantra because doubt is a really funny thing. There is not

a human alive who lives without it. And if there was, I don't think I'd really want to be around them. And yet the experience is wholly individual and personal. It's also self-directed. We have this innate blindness towards other people's self-doubt. We think that we must be the only ones. Everyone else is deserving of their success. Everyone else has actually worked hard for it. Everyone else is confident, self-assured. We are the imposter, we are the fraud. We are the one who doesn't deserve to be here.

I really wanna begin this week's mantra by coming out and saying, there is not a soul alive, not a single person who you admire who has not at some stage questioned themselves so intensely they almost didn't act. They almost didn't put out that album you adore or create that thing that everyone uses these days, the book or the podcast that changed your life, the person who created them at some stage would have encountered the very same doubts that you are perhaps encountering right now. Doubt is a fact of human existence, my friends, and yet we let it come down on us so hard

that it stops us from doing so many good things. And today I'm here to tell you, your doubt is a liar. Straight up, it is lying to you. For what reason? That's what we're going to explore. But really the term we're looking for for this kind of self doubt I'm describing is imposter syndrome.

Imposter syndrome essentially convinces us in this strange sense that everything we've accomplished, achieved, everything we are doing in our lives, all that we are capable of, it's all a lie. We have tricked everyone into believing that we are more than we are when we are actually just failures. Not only are we failures, we're also deceptive because so many people have bought into this narrative that we've sold them.

I'm sure you've come across this concept before and you understand that it is what you are experiencing. You may not understand why. So to understand why, I want to explain the origins of this term. So this term was discovered somewhere between the 60s and the 70s by two female researchers. And their initial research project was not about imposter syndrome at all. It was actually somewhat of an employment survey. They wanted to know how really successful women had gotten into their roles or into

their careers as professors and lecturers and CEOs and doctors and high-flying students, master students, you know, all these incredible women were doing so many cool things, they wanted to know how and why. And so they were interviewing these women and what they found time and time again is that so many of them were saying, oh, it was a fluke. Didn't you know? I don't want to tell anyone. I think it's an accident that I'm even here. I think they gave me the job by accident.

I think they let me into this faculty by accident. But you can't tell anyone, but that's definitely what's happened. Or they would say, oh, I'm such a liar. I really think I've deceived people into thinking I know what I'm doing when I don't really know what I'm such a liar. I really think I've deceived people into thinking I know what I'm doing when I don't really know what I'm doing." These two researchers would then say to this individual, didn't you save a life last week? Don't you have multiple master's degrees? It seems like you do really have it all together. Through these experiences of meeting these

women and interviewing them, they realized that there was this delusional mental disease that they were all suffering from in some way. They all believed that they were an imposter. They all had this in common. And so the term imposter syndrome was born on the backs of these incredibly successful women who didn't believe that they deserved to be where they were, but had internalized that disbelief so much

that they genuinely saw themselves as frauds for being in that position. So that's the origins of imposter syndrome. Nowadays, it definitely applies to more than just very, very successful women. It applies to people of all genders, people in all different positions, and also you don't have to be a crazy, amazing success story to still feel like your self-doubt is kind of crippling. Imposter syndrome is linked to quite a few things. There's a few other theories and concepts that interact with our imposter syndrome. The first big one is perfectionism.

When you feel like an imposter, it's hard to feel like any of the work you do, any of your output, any of your decisions are ever going to be good enough because you often hold yourself to an impeccably high standard that no one in their right minds can reach, but you are going to prove yourself otherwise. You, my friend, you have to reach it. Of course, this doesn't just create even more self-doubt and more anxiety and worry, it also creates procrastination. Procrastination is perfectionism's evil twin sister. A lot of the time people think that we procrastinate because

we lack self-discipline or we're lazy. Really, I think it comes down to a fear of failure and therefore a fear of even trying or even beginning. Because if we are faced with this crippling idea that anything we do has to be perfect, we also understand that that can't always be the case. Sometimes you can't do everything perfectly. So if you're not convinced that you can get an A on that assignment or impress your boss or do the hard thing, why even start if the outcome isn't going to be to your high standard? So where does this way of thinking really come from?

I don't think it's going to surprise you that a lot of it comes from our upbringing. Specifically if you were raised in a high achieving environment. You had parents, you had family, you had siblings who were successful, who expected success from you and who really valued maybe academic performance, athletic performance, achievement more than anything else, maybe even more than your wellbeing. There is this really fascinating study that looked at imposter syndrome and found that a lot of people who experienced imposter syndrome felt and still feel like the love they would have received from

their parents when they were younger was never unconditional. It was conditional on them meeting their standards for achievement or accolades or success. Perhaps they wouldn't be loved as much if they didn't get straight A's, if they weren't the most well-behaved best student in the class, if they didn't meet those high standards. These kind of early childhood environments are extremely formative. And the reason they're formative is because they tend to really influence our self-concept. So our self-concept is our way of seeing ourselves in relation to the world outside us, our friends, our family, our relationships, and also how we judge ourselves internally.

Do we think we're a good person? Do we think we're nice? What are we good at? What are we bad at? What are we interested at? What are we bad at? What are we interested in? What kind of human are we? The formation of our self-concept starts really early. And if your early childhood environment, even your middle to late childhood environment, is dominated by the need to be successful and dominated by a sense of doubt that you won't live up to anyone's standards and that your work isn't

good and that you aren't a good student or a good person, that's going to really shape how you think about yourself. So that nowadays, when you're in your 20s, 30s, 40s, whatever age you are, a lot of those beliefs, those internal beliefs that you aren't good enough, still linger. And the interesting thing is, is that some part of us wants to believe that we could prove that wrong through even more external achievement, through producing amazing work, through getting more promotions, through being seen as incredible, admired, seen as successful on LinkedIn or whatever it is. I'm here to tell you, there is no level of achievement that will ever make you feel less

like an imposter if we don't target our innate self-doubts and self-beliefs. Any time you actually do the thing and you feel accomplished, it's not going to last long because you are in a constant state of needing to prove yourself against these inner thoughts that just dominate every single moment for you. Society itself has become a very achievement-driven environment as of recent. There is a huge emphasis on hustle culture, on being successful. There's more visibility over other people's career milestones and successes. So it's becoming even harder to not feel like in comparison to others, you're falling behind,

you're not doing enough, you're not enough. What that means is that anything we create, anything we do, the person we are, we end up measuring that against some invisible standard of perfection or what is good enough, rather than just measuring it based on how we feel and our own standard. Essentially we have no way of providing ourselves with the external and internal validation needed to feel like we are worthy and that we are good and that we are talented and that we have something to say. I really think that we need to start measuring our value by how we feel and what we contribute

rather than what we achieve and whether you enjoyed making something, whether you enjoy your day-to-day life, whether you feel happy in your life rather than other people's opinions or how you think you're being viewed externally and by others. I also think that we need to start hyping ourselves up. There are so many things that you are doing that younger you wouldn't even imagine you would be capable of, that a past version of you would be totally in awe of, or that you just actually really got something out of. That in itself is an amazing achievement, an amazing accomplishment to just feel joy

attached to your experiences and what you're creating, to feel joy attached to your work. There is a caveat here, because there is something also to be said for being humble as well. Being gracious is perhaps a better word. We don't want self-doubt to dominate, but we also don't want arrogance to dominate either. We do need to be a little bit humble when it comes to our accomplishments and a little bit humble when it comes to our achievements so that our ego doesn't take the reins and start thinking that we're more deserving than other people or that we are too excellent to ever be judged or to ever be questioned or critiqued.

I think it's really about finding balance, right? The key is to shift from needing external permission to developing internal trust. You can believe in your talent, your ideas, your work without needing to shout it from the rooftops, but also not needing to minimize it to stay likable. It's really a practice of telling yourself, this is valuable even if it feels awkward, even if other people don't think that way.

When your imposter shows up, instead of suppressing them or spiraling, try naming them with compassion and asking, you know, what would I say to a friend feeling this way? What would I say to someone who themselves felt that they needed to doubt themselves in order to get further ahead? Because sometimes that's what it is. Sometimes we allow our self-doubt to maintain itself,

because we think that it's a source of motivation. Because by working against ourselves to prove ourselves, we think we're going to get more done and be more successful. When actually, no success is ever going to make you feel good about yourself. You cannot get addicted to this idea that doubting yourself and hating yourself is going to make you a better, more productive, efficient person. At some stage, that's going to run out.

One really small but powerful move is learning to accept compliments and recognition with openness instead of deflecting. Say thank you instead of, oh, it was nothing or, oh, no, that was someone else, which will make you feel small. It's a real act of resistance against the belief that you are undeserving to accept compliments and to accept praise. Ultimately, the goal isn't to become arrogant or self-deprecating, but to live in the middle in this very peaceful, quiet confidence where you don't need to convince others because you've finally convinced yourself as well.

I think a huge part of growth is learning to really recognize your internal monologue, whether it's critical, harsh, or positive, and knowing that you can change it, knowing that you're actually in control. If a thought comes from you, you have the ability to change that thought. If the thought is, I don't deserve this, I don't deserve to be here, I'm useless, I'm worthless. We're not letting that thought dominate.

You are worthy, your work speaks louder than your doubts, and you're in pursuit of something bigger, which is joy, inner peace, contentment with who you are. All right. Coming up, let's get personal. I'm going to share how imposter syndrome has shown up in my own life, even in moments of true success, and what it takes to let the work speak for itself when my inner critic is really at its loudest.

So stay tuned, we'll be right back after this brief pause. Now that we've looked at the meaning behind today's mantra, I let my work speak louder than my doubt. It's time to get personal with you guys and share some of my own insights, thoughts, reflections about this phrase. So many of you know I just released a book about a month ago, it's called Person in Progress. I promise this isn't some self-promotion or me asking you to go buy it. The reason I'm bringing it up is because it is definitely the last instance where I felt overwhelming self-doubt and it was the time when I probably felt it most profoundly and

severely. So putting a book out into the world is like saving up all your best ideas, all your favourite memories, but also all your worst moments, your wisdom, your knowledge, everything that really makes you you, and writing it down, printing it out, and then saying, okay, here you go, world, any one of you can read these thoughts, any one of you can judge me by them, the most vulnerable parts of me, but please be nice. In the weeks leading up to the launch, it was paralyzing to even think about the fact

that someone was going to read what I had, and that I was going to be allowed to call myself an author, because I felt so undeserving of that title. My partner, Tom, he would keep asking me, how are you feeling? Are you excited? What do you want to happen when it comes out? What are my expectations? And I would just shut him down.

I'd be like, I don't want to talk about work right now. Can we talk about something else? Because every hypothetical that was going through my head about becoming a published author was just so awful. I was so full of self-doubt. I really thought it was going to be a letdown disaster. It even got to the point where I was trying to imagine the worst kind of reviews I was going to get so

that when they actually occurred, which I believed they would, they weren was going to get so that when they actually occurred, which I believed they would, they weren't going to hurt me. All of that was really my self-doubt trying to sabotage me. But I think it was also my self-doubt trying to keep me safe by catastrophizing and coming up with the worst case scenarios so that if by chance it did happen emotionally, I would feel prepared. I would be okay with being revealed as a fraud. Guess what?

None of that happened. None of those fears came true, even though I felt they were so blaringly obvious and bound to happen. The thing is, at the time, I truly believed what my imposter syndrome was telling me. Despite knowing how hard I'd worked, despite all the people around me telling me the opposite. This is what it sounded like for me. It sounded like, what if I'm not good enough?

What if I fail? What if people are disappointed in me? What if I embarrass myself? What if I ruin my reputation? Whatever that means. Can you identify a pattern in all these thoughts? They all start with what if. You want to know the easiest way to tell an anxious thought from a real true thought? It's by that what if, because anxiety thrives on uncertainty.

What if means something is in the future, it hasn't happened yet, which means there is all this ambiguity and anxiety and self-doubt likes to take that empty space and all this unknown and use it as its canvas, paint all over it because there's nothing we can say or do to prove it wrong because it hasn't happened yet. And yet, when the future comes around, we realize all of it was a lie. Our mind lied to us. It was fear-mongering. And what's worst is we've suffered more in anticipation

than we ever would have in reality and in that moment. Now here's my question. Do you think we learn from this and as such learn to question our doubts? Do we ever mistrust our imposter syndrome the way we allow it to mistrust us? Do we ever give it a taste of its own medicine? No, we don't. We listen to it every single time. Feels like there is this strict hierarchy and our imposter syndrome sits on the top

looking down on all of us, telling us how to feel about our accomplishments and we feel like we just have to listen. But what if you started doubting your doubts? What if you heard those what if thoughts running through your head and thought, what else or so what? Anytime an anxious thought comes into your mind, everyone's going to know I'm a fraud, everyone's going to know I'm a failure. I need you to say, what else or so what? I'm going to be proven wrong. I'm going to look terrible in front of all these people. What else? Actually, maybe that won't happen.

Or so what? I'll recover. I'll get over it. The thing is, you can actually argue back with your doubts. I don't know if anyone's ever told you this, but again, if that initial thought came from you, a better one can come from you also. You can disagree and say,

oh, actually, I don't believe that. I'm going to choose not to believe what you're telling me, that I'm not deserving, that people think I'm a fraud. One of the ways that I help myself in this exercise is by imagining the voice of my self-doubt in the voice of my childhood bully, mean coworker, ex-boyfriend, someone I don't respect and someone I want to prove wrong. Recently it's been this girl who I used to work with at a bar when I was like 19 and

she was always so rude to me and she'd always belittle me. The thing is, I didn't like her one bit and and I didn't trust her, and I didn't believe her. So nowadays, I'm thinking terrible things about myself or about my work, specifically about my book. I imagine it's her telling me those things. Of course, I'm going to disagree with what she has to say. It's so much easier to say, oh, that's a lie,

or to say, oh, you have some reason for saying this to me, and to picture this voice in my head as the mean little cruel thing it is. I also want you to look for proof that you are good at what you do and when you find it, don't immediately dismiss it. This is a tendency many of us have when we mistrust our abilities and worth because this idea has been ingrained from years and years of repetition and self-doubt. Our doubt is the status quo for us.

The only way to break a habit and to fight against it is to deliberately pursue the opposite line of thinking. You know what, it's okay to say, yes, I am good at this thing. Yes, I did work hard for this. You're not going to turn into some arrogant, overbearing tyrant. You're not going to turn into some awful human just from praising yourself every now and again, or just even allowing yourself to confirm the truth that you are talented and you are deserving.

It's not big headed if the evidence is there and it's real. In Australia, we have this term called tall poppy syndrome, which essentially says that the tallest flowers are the ones that get cut the quickest. And it describes why so many people feel like they need to belittle or undermine their accomplishments to not be the flower that grows too high, the one that is chopped down. I think that's why sometimes we find it hard to accept praise from others and to deliver it to ourselves as well.

Because we think that if I were to truly believe I was worthy, well then that must mean I'm arrogant. Because I'm never allowed to confirm my own success. I'm never allowed to just be happy and accomplished with what I have, because I'll be cut down. People will find ways to undermine me. Let me just say this, if they do, that is a much bigger problem for them.

Half the time I find that people who undermine other success or want to cut down the tall flower, it's because they weren't able to grow that high themselves. They weren't able to reach the level or the heights or the degree of confidence that you have. I'm gonna give you a few other ways to push back against yourself down, to just let your work speak for itself.

Like I said before, let yourself accept compliments, let those compliments be evidence, adopt a let it land mentality, adopt a post and gross mentality, if you will. Basically, if you're overthinking your work, you're overthinking your ambitions or something that you've created, made or are doing, just do it and then try and just tune out all anyone else is saying. Your only job is to make progress and to do something with your life

and to do something with your hours. That is the work and that is the mission you need to be focused on, not what anyone else is gonna say. Instead of obsessing over whether your work is perfect or worthy, just focus on simply letting it exist in the world. Think of it like sending out a letter.

Your job is just to write it and drop it in the mailbox. What the recipient thinks or how they respond or how it gets to the recipient, that isn't within your control. The same goes for your creative work, for your career moves, for anything that you build. Self-doubt really does thrive on imagined outcomes, but we trust ourselves more when we accept that our work has intrinsic value for us,

because the joy of making it was enough. So that should be all we need even if it's met with silence or critique. With all of that in mind, let's get into our deep thought of the day. This one comes from Adam Grant. Imposter syndrome is a paradox. Others believe in you, you don't believe in yourself, yet you believe yourself instead of them. I would really encourage everyone to go listen to this man's TED talk on this very topic because it is incredible. His one on the surprising habit of original thinkers is really, really great, but I think this quote just reveals the irony and paradox

of imposter syndrome. It's a strange thing where you believe other people's positive assessments, but only your own negative assessments. And it's a strange thing where it's like, well, you can't have it all. Who are you actually going to choose to believe in? Because you're saying that you're not good enough and that you can't be trusted, but then you're trusting the negative things that that very brain is saying about you. You can't have it all. Okay, I'd like us to take a few moments to pause and really sit with this mantra because

I've given you so much to think about, I know. In just a moment, you'll hear a music track to help create space for you to absorb today's insights and consider how you might bring this mantra into your week and maybe even beyond. If this practice isn't your style, if it doesn't resonate with you, that's totally okay. Feel free to skip ahead about 30 seconds, but as you settle in and you listen to the music, keep a mantra in mind. I let my work speak louder than my doubt. Let it guide your thoughts as the music plays and give yourself a moment to reflect

and connect with what this mantra means for you. Beautiful. Coming up, I'll share some journal prompts and of course our weekly challenge to help you put this mantra into practice. So please stick around for more after this quick break. Welcome back. Let's shift from reflection to action by exploring how this week's mantra can really show up in your everyday life, starting with a few grounding journal prompts. And if your journal isn't nearby, that's totally fine.

Sometimes I like to just think about my answers or keep them in mind for later. Here are your prompts to help you reflect and gain greater clarity with this Mixed Mantra I let my work speak louder than my doubt. First, where in your life do you feel the need to prove yourself? And what would it feel like to simply just be yourself? To just exist? Next, have you ever downplayed your accomplishments because you didn't feel like you earned them?

What would it take to own them fully? And finally, what do you believe others see in you that you have trouble seeing in yourself? Every week I share a challenge inspired by our mantra to help you take what we discuss and turn it into real, actionable steps. And of course, I'd love to hear how it's going so you can reach out to me at Mantra Open

Mind. Each month, I of course respond to your questions and comments in our special bonus episode available exclusively on Open Mind. So don't forget to DM me any thoughts you're having. But this week, our challenge is to start a private brag file, a folder, a note, a journal entry, a journal itself where you document compliments, wins, breakthroughs or moments that you're really, really proud of. You don't need to share it.

I just want it to exist as a reminder to yourself that your work has already proven itself. You have already proven yourself. People already respect you, you respect yourself, your work is showing up in the world, it's making impact, it's making changes. Sometimes we can forget those things. So having a permanent folder of all the times in the past where we've proven ourselves to be spectacular is so important.

And as a final reminder, reach out to me at mantra open mind just to share how this challenge is working for you. I'd really love to hear it. All right. As we wrap up this week's episode, I want to share a few final thoughts about this mantra. I let my work speak louder than my doubt. This mantra has been showing up for me in so many ways.

It's the one I really needed to hear at the moment. With my book having just come out, it was so easy to quickly judge everything that I had made and written and created based on the imaginary voices of some people who didn't even exist. And it made me really, really miserable. So all these practices are ones that I've been really trying to implement into my own life because choosing to doubt myself is choosing to live in misery and choosing to live in delusion. It's okay to just say yeah, I did a cool thing.

It's okay to accept a compliment every now and again and it's definitely okay to be proud of yourself. You've worked really hard. You've made something amazing. Nothing bad's gonna happen from just saying, yeah, I did a cool thing. Doubt, it's always gonna try and be the loudest voice, the loudest noise in the room. But, you know, starting this week, I want you to really encourage yourself

to let your actions, your growth, your presence, your positivity speak louder. You don't have to feel confident or be capable. You just have to keep showing up as you are. And you have to have trust, trust that it's gonna work out and trust that even if it doesn't, you're already enough in what you've done and who you are.

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