Mantra with Jemma Sbeg - I Stay Grounded, Even When Everything Else Shifts
Episode Date: September 8, 2025This week's mantra is: "I Stay Grounded, Even When Everything Else Shifts." Life is full of unexpected changes and moments of upheaval that can leave us feeling untethered. But true resilience lies in... your ability to find an inner anchor, no matter how turbulent the external circumstances become. In this episode of Mantra, we'll explore practical ways to cultivate a sense of stability within yourself, whether through mindfulness, connecting with nature, or focusing on your core values. Staying grounded isn't about avoiding change; it's about building a solid foundation so you can navigate life's ebbs and flows with calm and clarity. This Mantra will help you reconnect with your inner strength and find peace amidst life's constant movement.Mantra is an OpenMind Original Podcast, powered by PAVE Studios. Listen wherever you get your podcasts. For ad-free listening and early access to episodes, subscribe to OpenMind+ on Apple Podcasts. Don’t miss out on all things Mantra! Instagram: @mantraopenmind | @OpenMindStudios TikTok: @OpenMind Facebook: @0penmindstudios X: @OpenMindStudios YouTube: @OpenMind_Studios To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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It is time for this week's mantra.
I stay grounded even when everything else shifts.
Let's just begin by discussing what do I mean?
What do we mean when we say grounded?
Because I feel like a lot of people throw out a bunch of ideas and concepts and definitions
to do with this word.
What is the truth in any of those things?
When we talk about being grounded, we're often referring basically to a state,
a state of mind, a state of flow, a state of our emotions where we are steady, we are present,
we are connected to ourselves, and the world around us. It's not just about being calm or relaxed,
although those can definitely be a part of it. It's just about having a sense of stability throughout
at all. In fact, you know, you can be grounded and still be anxious or fearful every now and again,
or scared or in flight mode. That is totally normal. But in those moments,
if you are grounded, you still have this kind of internal anchor, a sense that no matter what
is happening externally, you have a point within yourself that is steady. It's the opposite of
feeling scattered. It's the opposite of feeling reactive or feeling pulled in hundreds of
different directions. Instead, you just feel like you have both feet firmly on the ground of
existence, firmly emotionally, firmly mentally as well. There is a
definite connection between us and what is around us. Be that the earth, be that your relationships,
be that reality, whatever it may be. Being grounded means being able to tap into that and being
able to feel a sense of, I guess, again, steadiness in those moments and in those things. The challenge
is that grounded has become one of those words we hear in wellness spaces, self-help advice,
even casual conversations, without much clarity on what it really means in practice.
You know, people will be like, oh, just ground yourself, make sure you stay grounded, or it's
important to do grounding. And we don't have any idea what that actually means. Some people
might describe it as feeling in control of their emotions. Others describe it as being aware of
what's around them. Others describe it as living in alignment with their values. Others describe it as
simply a physical practice. Whatever definition or interpretation you choose, they all will
share a very common thread. There is a sense of rootedness that isn't easily shaken. Being
granted also often comes from practices that help us slow down, that help us reconnect with our senses
and just remember what is real and important. This is another part of this interpretation or this
definition. Some examples that people swear by are things like yoga or running, art, prayer,
meditation, to name a few. Listening to this podcast may also be a grounding practice.
When you're grounded, you live through these practices.
They become a core part of how you choose to take care of yourself and how you choose to take care of your mind.
Part of staying grounded is also being able to consciously decide what we should release and what's worth holding onto.
It's more than a state of mind. It's more than a practice. It's a decision.
Basically, we need to know in order to stay grounded that you cannot carry everything.
who cannot carry every worry, every memory, every responsibility, everybody else's opinions,
you just don't have the capacity for that.
When you're ungrounded, that is when we kind of feel like a sponge for all of these things.
It feels like we are soaking up, everybody else's problems, everybody else's mess,
every single little thing, frustration moment that's happening around you.
and it's very easy to grip tightly to this natural defensiveness or reaction out of fear or
habit even if it's no longer serving you. For example, grudges or an old identity or the need
to control an outcome or an investment in what someone else thinks about you. These are things
that sometimes we hold on out of habit. Letting go isn't about pretending that those things don't
matter or forcing yourself to move on before you're ready. It's about acknowledging what
is weighing you down and seriously having a very hard, honest look in the mirror and saying,
you know, is this actually aligning with what I want from my reality? Because if it's not,
it is my choice whether to claim this energy or release it. On the other hand, groundedness
also comes from recognizing what's worth holding on to. The beliefs, practices, relationships,
values that genuinely nourish you, are you taking enough time out of your day and in your life
to appreciate them? Are you making sure that these continue to be foundational pillars of how
you see yourself? Or is your identity just something that gets blown in the wind? Is your identity
something that you don't actually work on? Choosing what to keep and integrating that further is just
as important as choosing what to discard. Yes, you can meditate every single day, you can journal
every single day. You can spend time in nature every single day and still not be a grounded person
if within your mind you are just letting anything enter the front door. So that kind of brings me
to the next part of this episode and this mantra, which is why is the state of being grounded
so hard to access? Why is it such an elusive place? One of the main reasons that both physical,
emotional, and mental groundedness can feel so hard to access is, frankly, because our modern
lives are designed to pull us away from it. We live in a constant state of stimulation and
distraction. And when you start to notice that, you cannot unnotice it. Notifications,
news, work demands, social pressures, billboards, noises, everywhere you go, there's
always something competing for your attention. This relentless input, which by the way,
humans were not designed to take, it keeps our nervous system in a low level state of alert.
It is constantly hypervigilant towards stimulus in our environment, making it harder to slow down
and really harder to connect with ourselves, because we constantly feel that we're missing out,
that there's something happening that's important to be aware of, that if we close our eyes
for a second, or if we ignore our phone for a minute, we're going to suddenly miss out on.
In a way, I think groundedness requires the opposite of what the current world often ask from me
and often ask from you, which is presence over productivity, stillness, over speed, intention
over constantly pursuing the potential of something.
And that's why it can kind of feel like you're swimming against a current and you're constantly
like trying to work to be grounded and something is just pulling you back and pulling you back
and activating your nervous system and getting you.
you stressed and making you feel overwhelmed. That's what's happening to so many of us right now.
On a more personal level, there's also the reality that many of us are carrying around
unprocessed emotions, unprocessed stress, a whole lot of it, maybe even trauma. And that can create
an internal restlessness that makes stillness very uncomfortable. Being grounded, it asks us to
tune into our bodies and into our minds in a way that can be uncomfortable, maybe even distressing.
It can feel weird. When we do that and all we find is pain and just,
like layers and layers of repetitive stress and trauma, it is very tempting to just stay
disconnected, to just avoid all of that. And avoidance, as we know, is an incredibly common
maladaptive coping mechanism. Even if on the surface, or even if deeper down, we really do
want to be grounded, there's this other part of us that is like, but to be grounded, we have
to like go through this like terrible cave of fear and awfulness and disgustingness.
maybe we just stay outside. Maybe we just don't undertake this journey. Finally, I think groundedness
is very elusive for many of us because it's not a one-time achievement. It's not something
that you just find and then you have it. It is something that you have to return to again and again and
again, which is kind of frustrating sometimes. Life is dynamic though, and even the most grounded
person you know will lose their balance. You know, you might have months or years of feeling steady
and feeling very confident that you know how you feel and who you are and what you're experiencing
and then something just pulls you off centre, like the accumulation of stresses or one big
major life event, you just get completely uprooted. This isn't a failure, it's just part of
being human. The work isn't to stay grounded forever, but to notice when we've drifted and
to make sure we have the tools to return. You can either see groundedness as something that's
exhausting, or as part of your mental hygiene routine, the same way you have a physical
hygiene routine and I'm hoping you brush your teeth and I'm hoping you shower and all those
things, you also ground yourself. So how do we remember this? What do we do when everything
around us suddenly shifts and it feels like we've lost our center? In that really hard,
dark, heavy moment, how can we prioritize grounding? How can we appreciate it for like the
psychological and philosophical miracle that it is. Firstly, in the moment when everything is falling
apart and you are feeling just completely swept away, you firstly have to orient your nervous
system. Now, this is quite an individual process, but you just have to find what works for you
because you cannot ground yourself truly if you just feel like your attention is scattered.
You are being pulled in a million different directions. And if you feel like you are still
in a state of very heightened arousal, or in survival mode where your brain is just never
going to let you get to the aligned place that is going to allow you to ground yourself.
First step, calm down the nervous system. You might try, for example, grounding through the
senses. This is one that I'm sure many of us know where you name five things you see,
four you feel, through you hear, two you smell, one you taste, which can really help interrupt
spirals by re-engaging the prefrontal cortex, getting us to notice what's around us rather
than being so deeply ingrained in what's inside of us. Deep-paced breathing, for example,
is just scientifically proven to be one of the easiest ways to unlock your parasympathetic
nervous system. Inhaling for four counts, exhaling for six, that's the classic one. That can
increase vagal tone, which is the activity of your vagus nerve and lower your heart rate.
What's another common one? Progressive muscle relaxation, so like tensing and then releasing
muscle groups from head to toe also reduces arousal. Another one I really like is just
like gentle rhythmic movement. So for me, like I like to sway from side to side. I like to just
let my arms go loose and just let my body move and feel and stretch and flow. People also like
walking, maybe like Pilates. Maybe for you it's like something that's a little bit more intensive,
like just going and playing tennis and just like thrashing the ball or just going to boxing and just
like destroying the bag, anything that like takes what you're feeling physically and gives it an
outlet is going to do the trick. The reason we need to do this is because again, we can't
reach the next level of grounding unless we feel physically safe, even if the threat is only
mental or emotional. Secondly, it's really important to start noticing and being curious about
your surroundings and what's going on around you rather than feeling suffocated by it. A lot of
grounding, I've realized this, is just noticing. Noticing. Noticing.
how a conversation is making you feel, noticing your environment, noticing the wind, noticing
the flavors of your food, noticing what you hear, noticing how this person is moving in front
of you, just notice. Again, when you start to really pay attention, it takes you out of those
deep pits in your brain that want to keep you in an imagined or scary thought and brings you
into reality. Thirdly, expand out and try and find some broader perspective to the situation.
Yes, you may have been pushed off kilter.
Everything in your life has shifted.
It's very hard to feel a sense of stability.
You have to realize it's only a moment.
When we intentionally really step back and place our current experiences in a wider frame,
we give our nervous system and, in fact, our conscious mind, a chance to kind of downshift.
Remembering that what you're feeling will pass and is not the entirety of your life
disrupts the brain's tendency towards emotional magnification, which basically occurs when short-term
stresses, even if they're serious, they feel permanent, they feel all-consuming when we know
they're not. Psychologists like to call this temporal distancing. It's a form of basically
cognitive reappraisal whereby, when we imagine how we're going to feel about a situation in a week,
a month, a year, we're able to reduce the emotional intensity of what we're feeling right now.
and it really just helps us reassert conscious control over the amygdala, which we know
is responsible for our fear of response over our limbic system, over our heightened sense of
reactivity. By seeing this current moment as part of a much larger timeline, you remind yourself
that change is inevitable, discomfort is temporary, and you have also weathered some very tough
moments before this one. You've survived every battle, every thought, every
fear every moment before this. And this reinforces that your feet can stay firmly planted throughout
this as well. Another helpful tip, which I couldn't not include, is that you've got to spend as
much time in nature as possible if you want to feel grounded. This has to be a daily habit for you.
Putting both feet in the grass, on the sand, in the dirt, being in any kind of nature is incredibly
powerful. Nature is an antidote for so much and it naturally shifts our attention away from the
internal noise and back towards the sensory world, which is where we were meant to belong.
There is this Japanese practice called forest bathing. I think it's called Shinran Yoku.
There's also another practice called Thalasotherapy, which has like Roman origins, which basically
show that when you spend time in forest, when you spend time in the ocean, in rivers, in lakes by water,
your cortisol levels will lower, your blood pressure will go down, your mood will be improved,
all because, you know, when you're in greenery, nature doesn't care who you are.
Nature doesn't care what you have to say or what you feel.
It treats everyone the same.
It is non-judgmental.
It also provides kind of a form of just like a way to re-engage in our senses in a form of like soft fascination.
Like engaging our attention in something that is not too demanding, that is not too hyper-comely.
colored and hyper just like intense like the modern day world is.
And so when we're back in those natural environments where our brains and our minds and
our bodies were designed to be, we find that there are these ancient systems that take
over and ground us for us.
And that almost without a doubt will help improve your ability to weather the storm and to
foster perspective and just to regain that emotional stability.
Obviously, it's not everything, but it is incredibly useful.
as an addition to any other practices you're already doing.
Finally, and this is so entirely absolutely crucial,
even if it doesn't sound like any of the advice we've given before this,
if you really want to prioritize being grounded,
you have to be cutthroat with the people you surround yourself with.
You cannot be around people who are unable to manage their own reactions
and who make their stress and their fear your problem.
You cannot be around people who want to stir people.
drama who benefit from you not having a grounded nervous system. Listen, it's hard to lose friends.
It's even harder to push them away or to create distance. But if you're going into situations
feeling like just being around someone paralyzes you or stresses you out or you're going
to make bad decisions or whatever it is, you're going to not feel like yourself. And if your
priority is to be grounded and is to be able to weather really heavy storms, these people aren't
going to help you in those moments. And in fact,
they're probably doing you a disservice, and you're doing yourself a disservice by being friends
with them if you continue to let them interrupt your attempts to regulate your nervous system and
regulate your life, even in times apiece. These are our initial strategies, but of course it does
go deeper. You know, to say that groundness is just about stillness, is really not understanding
it. It's really about focusing on what holds us steady when everything else is in motion,
whatever that is for you.
And I'm going to talk about what that means for me
and how this has shown up in my own life,
but also what we may need to do
when we perhaps become ungrounded
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Now that we've looked at the meaning behind today's mantra,
I stay grounded, even when everything else shifts.
It's time to get personal with you guys and just share some of my own insights and reflections about this phrase.
So, as always, it always seems to be the way.
This mantra feels incredibly relevant to my life right now.
I just returned from doing a lot of overseas travel, which is such a huge blessing and I really enjoy it and it's an amazing part of my career.
but as a homebody, I always know I'm going to return feeling super shattered and scattered and
ungrounded. I think a lot of stuff comes up for me when I don't have a stable home point to come
home to and to decompress. And for me, that manifests in the way that I start taking small things
way too seriously again. I start feeling easily angered and irritated. I start letting myself
get caught up in an emotion. What I feel in the moment becomes the only thing that exists for me.
and I start being less comfortable with healthy change because I'm out of the norm and things
around me have shifted. My environment has shifted. My routines have shifted. Everything that I
enjoy and like about the stability of my life is no longer there. This is a very minute level of
being ungrounded. I think after a few days of really prioritizing myself and slowing down and
being outside and adjusting to my old routine, I find myself coming back. Even then it can be
difficult, but what about big shifts? Things like moving cities, ending a relationship,
losing a job, losing a loved one, getting scary medical news. These all make it so much harder
to be grounded. We can talk about being grounded in small moments. We can talk about being grounded
when, you know, your life is kind of okay and it's just like a nice, fun addition. What about
when your life just like seriously isn't okay? And you've just got to try and scramble to find a way
to deal with it. I experienced this recently with some health news, some scary health news.
If you listen to the psychology of your 20s, you'll know. I had this whole moment where I went to
the optometrist and yeah, from there, all these things snowboard and I had all this like inflammation
around like the optic nerve in my eye and that they were like having to rule out MS and rule out
a brain tumor and rule out like all these like seriously scary things. And for the first like
couple of days. I was like, oh, I'm so fine. I'm super fine. I'm like doing so well. Like, I'm
going to be all right. And then I like stepped into like the big serious, scary doctor's office.
And I was like, I am not okay. And like everything just crumbled in that second. And I was like,
all this grounding that I thought I was doing, all this stoicism, all these exercises. Like,
they are not up to speed with this current situation. Like, they need to be upgraded. A few parts of my
process had to change because I couldn't just be in final flight mode until this issue was
resolved. I couldn't just be running around. I had to find and come back to that core in order
to deal with some big emotions and for the sake of friends and family as well. One part of the
situation and of my equation for groundedness that had to change was just total acceptance,
just acceptance that this is what was happening and that I didn't have all the answers, but I was
going to be okay. And this is just a part of grounding that
I think we haven't yet acknowledged and is a bit more complex than, you know, the initial
suggestions that we had, but plays a really deep role even if we don't recognize it.
On a deep, cognitive and philosophical level, acceptance helps with grounding because
it reconciles our minds need for control with the inevitability of uncertainty in our lives.
Much of our mental unrest in times of huge shifts stems from the tension between what is and
what we think should be and what we want to be. We want to know what's going to happen. We want
the answers. We can't get them. The situation is scary. It's uncomfortable. Everything is like just
piling up one after the other. We have to just be okay in that moment. This tension, though,
of course, fuels this cognitive dissonance, like a constant inner friction where our reality and our
expectations and our desires are clashing. In resisting what is happening to us, what is hard,
what is going to be stressful, our thoughts get kind of stuck in loops of justification or avoidance
or trying to fight against the threat when there's nothing we can do.
Acceptance does not demand that we like or that we approve of our reality, only that we
acknowledge it without denial, that we just say, yes, this is what's happening.
And this act alone kind of collapses the gap between perception and truth, and it reduces
the mental noise that kind of pulls us away from the present. The mind, you know, no longer
consumed by defending an alternate version of events, can just be like, okay, but this is where we
are, and there's clarity and there's presence in this. From a psychological standpoint, I think
acceptance also shifts our cognitive frame from problem solving, even when it's futile, just to
awareness. When we accept that something is what it is and that life may be falling apart,
we step out of our adversarial stance and we move into a realistic stance we are no longer hunting
for ways to fix the moment and fix the problem all those cognitive resources are freed up just
to notice what is happening again notice being a big part of grounding notice what is happening
to our body what is happening around us and this aligns with mindfulness principles where
you know when we're not judgmental and we're just simply observing thoughts are better able to pass
through us without us being pulled into this narrative or further pulled into their stress.
Instead of being lost in rumination about what if and if only and what next and what then,
we develop the capacity to just inhabit the moment as it unfolds and not relax into it,
but just have a sense of stillness.
That is really, you know, the essence of grounding at the end of the day.
I think acceptance also challenges us to understand, even since,
celebrate the fact that change is sometimes going to be uncomfortable, that doesn't mean that
there are not benefits to it and that it's not worth it. There will be times that we have to feel
maybe a little bit off-center in order to fully embrace the gift of change, because change is a
good thing. I was talking about this the other day. Would you really want a reality where nothing
shifted? Obviously, big shifts and terrible shifts in ones that have to do with grief are ones we
definitely wouldn't want, but that's all part of how the world works. We can't always choose
the kind of change or the kind of things that come into our life. We can't always choose
how the universe or how the world acts. We just have to accept that it is what it is and that
sometimes we'll get the shorts drawer and it will be amazing. Sometimes the change that we all
experience won't be bad. This mindset really transforms change from something to endure
and something we just have to sit through and take into something that we can be curious
about. And it allows us to acknowledge that even the most positive shifts, even like
brilliant new opportunities, brilliant new relationships, personal growth, big financial
benefits, they still can feel a little bit awkward and destabilizing at first just because
they're new. And that feeling is not a reflection of the change is worth, but simply a byproduct
of us trying to figure out where we sit in this new narrative.
It's a powerful reminder, again, that we are evolving and that if we want to continue
to evolve, we cannot grasp so tightly onto our idea of how things should be or our idea
of what reality should be or a past version where what we're going through hadn't happened
yet. We have to just be where we are and just trust that we're going to find a way.
Over time, I think this perspective can even lead us to just be like, oh, I'm a lot.
uncomfortable, maybe that's a great sign of something that's coming. If I can just be in this
moment and notice I can respond better to this. I can't control what's going to happen, but I can
control my willingness to lean in where I can. So we've explored what it means to stay grounded
when everything else is shifting, big or small. Let's take an even more practical approach.
We've gone like from level one to level two. Now let's go to level three where I give you
some questions, some challenges, some further thoughts to put this into action in your own life.
Stick around for more after this short break.
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Welcome back. Let's take a few minutes to just ground ourselves in this week's mantra for a second
and to just bring it even further into our real life, starting with our deep thought of the day.
When I think about this mantra, I stay grounded. Even when I'm
everything else shifts. There are so many quotes that I could choose. Like, there were literally
dozens. This is the one I love the most. It's an African proverb that goes, when the roots
are deep, there is no reason to fear the wind. The roots in this quote obviously represent
the core of who we are, our values, our self-awareness, our resilience, and all the inner
work that we have done to truly understand and trust ourselves and get to this point of
stability. Just as a tree with deep roots can endure storms and floods and whatever else is
happening outside of it, a person who has cultivated instability and self-trust can navigate the
seasons of uncertainty and loss and change and know that where it stands and where it needs to be,
it will remain. It has its roots. They will protect it. It's not that the wind won't come. Again,
acceptance. We know it will, but that force alone will not uproot what we have built. We are anchored
in something that is solid and enduring. It also reminds us that fear often stems from feeling
unprepared or unstable in ourselves. When we take the time during good times to develop depth
through reflection, through self-knowledge, through meaningful relationships,
lived experiences, whatever it is, we create an internal safety net that means that when
things do come, we'll be confident that we can handle them.
Even if your life is amazing right now, continue to water the roots.
You need them to be strong.
You need to still do the work to stay grounded when life has given you no reason to be
ungrounded.
And that way you can always, no matter what is thrown at you later on, deal with the challenge.
challenge and rely on yourself.
We know every mantra is going to land a little bit differently, depending on what you're moving
through, how you're feeling, how I'm feeling.
So at some point in the episode, I always love to engage you guys, the listeners in our
journal practice, and just ask that you think through these questions, journal through
these questions, and answer them in any way that feels right for your circumstances.
this mantra in particular is so broad.
There are so many different things it could be referring to.
We're going to start with this first one.
What helps you feel steady when life becomes unpredictable?
And are those things truly grounding you or are they just distracting you?
Next, when was the last time you felt completely unmoored?
And how did you find your way back to yourself?
What practices helped you in those moments?
And finally, do you tend to resist change or perhaps over-respond to it?
What would it be like to just stay grounded and just witness what is happening around you
without trying to intervene?
So now that you've made the space to reflect, now that I've given you some questions to reflect
upon, let's give your mind a moment to rest.
In just a second, you'll hear a custom music track.
I encourage you to take this opportunity just to process this way.
week's reflections in whatever way feels right, no pressure, no expectations. And if something
doesn't even come up for you, that's totally okay. Just use it as a nice quiet moment, quiet time
for your adult mind. Settle in for the next 30 seconds. And as the music plays, let today's mantra,
I stay grounded, even when everything else shifts. Let it steer you.
Beautiful. Now that you've had a moment to reset and to ground yourself. Let's take all that
energy, guys. Let's take everything that we have learned. Let's put it into practice with, of course,
our weekly challenge. I'd love to hear how it's going on your end. So you can reach out to me at
mantra, open mind, where I respond to questions, DMs, queries about challenges, about episodes,
whatever it is you have on your mind. But today's challenge, I want you to choose just one small
grounding ritual to do at the same time every day. For example, I want to do it. I want to
want you to light a candle when you're eating dinner. I want you to drink a cup of tea without
your phone in the morning. I want you to stretch or go for a walk outside or do something, anything
that is your grounding point each day that you know you will always have and you will always
do, even if life around you gets messy. It's so important to have those rituals. It's so important
to have the things that connect us to something beyond what we're thinking about and what we're
feeling and are just present in reality.
Alrighty, as we wrap up this week's episode, I just want to share a few final thoughts
about this week's mantra.
I stay grounded, even when everything else shifts.
I just want to remind you that life is going to throw you a lot of curveballs.
It will for all of us, we can't stop that from happening.
But you can ensure that whether these curveballs have to do with your identity or your relationship,
or your career or your environment, you have a deep core part of you to return to.
And that core part of you can't only be nourished during times of stress.
It needs to be nourished constantly so that the roots are again strong so that this foundation
is one you can rely upon.
Yes, groundedness is not a one and done thing, but it's so worthwhile to continue to invest in.
You will see the benefits.
if not now, if not tomorrow, maybe in five years.
Actively work on it.
Know that you can trust yourself to stay grounded and have your feet firmly planted in moments of discomfort
and you will be able to trust yourself through anything.
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