Mark Bell's Power Project - Adriell Mayes - Why the Kettlebell Can Be MORE EFFECTIVE Than the Barbell || MBPP Ep. 776

Episode Date: July 28, 2022

In this Podcast Episode, Adriell "Every Got Damn Dre" Mayes, Mark Bell, Nsima Inyang, and Andrew Zaragoza talk about how incredible kettlebell training is. Adriell has been utilizing kettlebells since the pandemic forced him to get creative with his coaching and his own workouts. He has developed his own creative style of kettlebell training that has garnered the attention of hundreds of thousands of people, including Joe Roga. Follow Adriell on IG: https://www.instagram.com/everygotdamndre/ Join The Power Project Discord: https://discord.gg/yYzthQX5qN Subscribe to the new Power Project Clips Channel: https://youtube.com/channel/UC5Df31rlDXm0EJAcKsq1SUw Special perks for our listeners below! ➢https://boncharge.com/pages/POWERPROJECT Code POWERPROJECT for 20% off!! ➢https://thecoldplunge.com/ Code POWERPROJECT to save $150!! ➢Enlarging Pumps (This really does work): https://bit.ly/powerproject1 ➢https://www.vivobarefoot.com/us/powerproject Code POWERPROJECT20 for 20% off Vivo Barefoot shoes! ➢https://markbellslingshot.com/ Code POWERPROJECT10 for 10% off site wide including Within You supplements! ➢https://mindbullet.com/ Code POWERPROJECT for 20% off! ➢https://eatlegendary.com Use Code POWERPROJECT for 20% off! ➢https://bubsnaturals.com Use code POWERPROJECT for 20% of your next order! ➢https://vuoriclothing.com/powerproject to automatically save 20% off your first order at Vuori! ➢https://www.eightsleep.com/powerproject to automatically save $150 off the Pod Pro at 8 Sleep! ➢https://marekhealth.com Use code POWERPROJECT10 for 10% off ALL LABS at Marek Health! Also check out the Power Project Panel: https://marekhealth.com/powerproject Use code POWERPROJECT for $101 off! ➢Piedmontese Beef: https://www.piedmontese.com/ Use Code POWER at checkout for 25% off your order plus FREE 2-Day Shipping on orders of $150 Follow Mark Bell's Power Project Podcast ➢ https://lnk.to/PowerProjectPodcast FOLLOW Mark Bell ➢ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/marksmellybell ➢https://www.tiktok.com/@marksmellybell Follow Nsima Inyang ➢ https://www.breakthebar.com/learn-more ➢YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/NsimaInyang ➢Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nsimainyang/?hl=en ➢TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@nsimayinyang?lang=en Follow Andrew Zaragoza on all platforms ➢ https://direct.me/iamandrewz

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That helps. And no talking at all. No talking at all. I've never noticed that, actually, now that you mention it. Dude, none. I'm just so uncomfortable with it. You're doing good today, man. So far.

Yeah. Well, in person and about fitness, I'm good. But if anything else, I don't like the way my voice sounds. Okay. We missed that one. You'll get used to it. Your voice will sound beautiful to you and everybody else soon enough. Right?

Absolutely. People cream themselves over in sema's voice sometimes i don't know what you're talking about i do we just got done with the interview with susan remember what did she say what did she say who is susan so we we had a we had a sexpert on the podcast a little while ago and then she interviewed me and in sema and we you know once things got where we were off air she's like in se voice, I got to go fuck my husband now. I was like, oh man.

And in SEMA, you know, awesome skin, he actually turned red. Oh wow. Blush. It's hard for me to blush, but you can't really see that shit.

You don't really see that shit. Blush. Every once in a while. Hey, can you do the people's eyebrow? I don't know. Oh, you can. You just nailed it. What can't he do? Just one eye. Just people's eyebrow I don't know oh you can you just nailed it

what can't he do just one eye just one eye I don't think I can do all of them just one dude fucking talent level

over here okay you know what's also really because he kind of did it like just randomly as you said something so I was like

man I wonder if he could do the people's eyebrow you have two what at home shepherd huskies you have two shepherd huskies

at home oh shit hey that's the thing that's parallel universe over here this is so sick fucking multiverse going on At home? Shepherd Huskies. You have two Shepherd Huskies at home? Oh, shit. Hey. That's the thing. Parallel universe over here. This is so sick. Fucking multiverse going on. I'm so pumped. No, no, no.

You have a dog? Little Daisy? Did you forget that she's a dog? No, no, no. I thought he said, do you have the same dog? Huskies. No. I love Huskies.

Daisy's like half a dog. Yeah. His dog's like this small. Oh, okay. But this is another thing. Okay, so I was talking about this in the gym. First off, you're lactose intolerant. And I – the only people that I've known that have been lactose intolerant have been white people.

I've never met a black person that's been lactose intolerant. But then over two, I've also never met a black person that has multiple huskies. Usually huskies aren't – I don't see that much with – yeah. They're black people with pit bulls, huh? Pit bulls, but like there are other dogs too, but just – Are you guys saying that you're pretty white? No, it's just – Or not allowed to say stuff like that.

It's just an uncommon dog that I don't see amongst black people. Now that you say it, then yeah, I don't know any other black people with huskies. How does that happen? How do you end up with two? Well, I had one for six years and I felt like she was moving a little slow. It was just me and her. I was like, oh, she's probably getting bored. So I was like, alright. Needs a buddy.

So that's kind of what that was. It worked out. Is it easier to take care of your dog having two than one? It is. I mean you ever do you have to do everything already so and they kind of just follow suit

like they love each other they kind of just play off of each other it's good I like it either one of them go on any runs with you the youngest one could

the older one zero interest the youngest one she's just too sporadic though she won't be able to stay on pace like she'll run this way can you like run

and do stuff with your dogs or not really? The puppy. Ari the puppy. I take him on runs every now and then. He'll be pretty good. He'll hang with you and stuff. I'll whistle for him and he'll follow you and stuff. Yeah. I've taken him on three runs so far. I see people doing that. I'm always like that's awesome. You gotta train them. You gotta train them. You gotta train them to do it.

My youngest, she pace-wise she just wants to run fast. I'm not running that fast all the time. It's just not happening. I probably could train her to run fast. I'm not running that fast all the time. It's just not happening. So I probably could train her to do it. How do they do that? What? Pace them?

I don't know. Dogs, they don't get tired sometimes. No, they don't. Certain types of dogs. Well, they're bodies like ours. You train it, they'll get better at it. Especially Huskies. They're fucking working dogs.

Oh, they are. They go for hours. You said you're going to get four at some yeah so i want i want a full breed german yeah and i want a four husky as well yeah so i have two shepherd huskies and i have one husky and one german that's a hell of a life man yeah it's a hell of a life i love dogs though i mean so it's not much like we we dog sit for people now. Me and my girlfriend, we dog sit. And it'll be three dogs in the house. Damn.

Because once you got two, what the hell is three going to do? It doesn't make a difference. It's just one more dog. You just walk. That's it. We were talking in the gym a little bit about, like, your history, like, with lifting. And we were talking about, like, you know, hitting some of those numbers on squats and stuff like that. And it's like an interesting thing I think for a lot of us that have been lifting for a long time that now would like to have different goals that want to move better, feel better. I think maybe because lifting is like – it can get to be kind of addicting.

You associate yourself and some of your pride with some of the numbers that you're doing and you really get kind of obsessed with it. And then you don't know any other type of like lifting or you don't know any other type of expression of strength. And so you go in there and you kind of do the same old thing and your back's always tight, your hips are always tight and you just kind of keep accepting and you keep doing it over and over again. It partially makes you feel good. But one of the things I noticed, especially over the last couple of years in shifting gears, is that my day-to-day, I feel strong. Like I feel really good. I feel strong. I feel stable. I feel a lot better. And I'm excited to start to feel a little bit more mobile, be able to open up a

little bit with that kind of stuff as well. And what's been kind of the shift for you? Like what kind of – because the kettlebell stuff is still kind of newer for you, just the last several years where you really transitioned into primarily just doing kettlebells, right? Yeah, it is. And like you said, it became more about the movement and movement quality. I got out of the how much I can bench, how much I can squat. I've kind of been out of that for a long time because you're just chasing an injury at some point. Because at some point, that's when you hit a wall

and you got to take steps back. So I got tired of stepping back. I was like, how do I keep going forward and still enjoy training and not get bored with it? So I got into the kettlebells and I started focusing movement quality. It's always about the movement.

There's always something you can get better with, with moving wise. So you never really have to get off that train. You just keep going. So every time you figure out something or you move a certain way, you're like, all right, I want to be better at that. You get better at that when you try another move and you realize there's something else you need to work on. Now you explore that.

So you always find new ways to move and new things to be better at instead of just trying to get a stronger lift because you get bored with it you get tired of it and you're gonna hit an injury at some point so movement is everything i just like no limitation to it too because you can put your foot forward backwards you can point your foot out you can point your foot in right i mean yeah and it's creativity it's beautiful to be able to do that because people see it and they're like but that's how your body's supposed to move people don't know that they get so rocked and moving forward move forward they don't realize like oh i should be able to move side to side i should be able to twist and turn like i should be able to do all this stuff for my body you know one thing i, after, because I heard about your page from Joe Rogan's podcast.

We were just talking about that. And when I went to your page, I'm like, this dude's doing a bunch of kettlebell stuff that, I mean, I follow a lot of kettlebell people. I was like, this dude's doing a lot of stuff I do not see kettlebell people doing. And it kind of opened my mind to, wow, you can be really creative with this stuff.

You don't have to follow this the standard of what you see everybody else like lunge in and not that these movements are bad but they're very one-dimensional and it's very like it's almost like with these movements it's wrong if you do it some of the things that you're doing oh 100 so i'm curious man because you've been doing kettlebell stuff for like four or five years now right when did you start getting like creative and just because it looks like you just like we're like i wonder what happens if i move this way and this way and it it's amazing i would say in the beginning because i mean a lot of them a lot of the movements come from me trying to address like limitations in my body okay so i was trying to figure out a way how I can address, like, my ankle mobility,

but still build strength and still be able to rotate. So I was like, how do I do this but not, like, spend 30 minutes in the gym trying to get ready for my session? So, like, all right, I'm going to just add it in my session. So, like, I have upper body to do. I'm going to do something lower body that's mobility in the mix of it. So that's when I started doing a lot of half kneeling rotation while

I'm pressing. I knew I had to shoulder press that day or do some type of strict press but I also needed to work my lower mobility so I just combined them and I just created a move out of that. Do you have names for a lot of this stuff? Because that's the thing. I was like how do you call this? No, you'll see

me sometimes. I'll put like question marks. I mean, essentially if you combine two movements, then it's just this name and that name. Like shit. I mean, it's not rocket science. So I just,

just I'll put the name of the two movements and it's probably not called that, but like who's going to question me on it. Yeah. And you get a lot of like, like blush back from like the people, there are people in the kettlebell community that are more like the strict movements straight and that's fine but like you said eventually you get sick of it's the same like i'm not gonna go in the gym and just power clean every day like snatch it's just like i'm not into it like it's just it's not the point what do you think would

happen if you train this way when you were younger when you you were playing football? And I tell my buddies this. I think I would still be playing. You'd be a wrecking machine, right? I would still be playing. I would have been. You'd fuck people up. Because I've always had the power. It's just like it was not, I wasn't able to use it because my body was limited.

Like I had bad ankles. Like I'm a fast guy, but if you got bad ankles, you can't run so fast. So my body wasn't primed and put in a position where I could perform at top. But I was a natural athlete, so I still was good. But I could have been great. But I don't think the knowledge of what training is now was there. Like you still see it from a lot of different athletes. Like you see a lot of NFL players like training barefoot now.

Years ago, they never did. I think what you're saying makes a lot of the nfl players like training barefoot now years ago they never did i think what you're saying makes a lot of sense and i think there's a lot of athletes that end up in that category where um you end up either being like completely pushed away by the gym because you can't associate it's very difficult sometimes associate athleticism with the weight room in the traditional sense that weightlifting and just lifting in general, strength and conditioning is done for sports. It's kind of hard to connect the two. And when you're doing all these crazy jumps and chops and all this stuff. And then I also think that on the other side of it, there are athletes that their expression of strength and athleticism was mainly in the gym.

And so like, I'm going to stick with this gym stuff. But we didn't really realize that maybe that was the limiting factor maybe your ankles were kind of messed up because maybe uh i mean there could be multiple reasons but maybe one of the reasons was uh the way that you were training like maybe do you think it was something like that was kind of contributing to that like kind of leaving you stuck definitely did and you had no idea right the training or lack of training because like i said i naturally, I feel like I was naturally gifted. Like I could pick up a football and go. Like I came off of a season, like my junior year, I just rushed for like 6,000 yards.

And the year before, I didn't even play. I didn't train that offseason. I just went into it and I ran it. 27 touchdowns. Because I was naturally gifted. But had I trained, trained i've been great but again i didn't have the knowledge nor is come on strength and conditioning high school coach it's not the same if you meet somebody that's that's they actually get paid for it when you see the guys

that are strong and you're like that guy's not athletic you know what i mean right like you see the and the coach is promoting like all these movements and you're like these guys these are the guys that fucking like they barely play. Yeah. Right? Because they're all movement focused. They're not like – they're movement focused but they don't – they're not skilled. Like so you can – and this is my – people preach that everyone is an athlete.

I believe that to a certain extent because an athlete is an athlete at the end of the day, like someone that can get out there, run and jump. I can teach you to move well and you may be athletic, but I don't think you're going to be a superior athlete from training like that. Like I can turn you to someone that moves great quality movement, jump, run. But at the end of the day, if I put you next to someone like that's what they do, you will see the difference. So when you get caught up in that, everyone's an athlete, everyone. Yeah, to a certain extent.

But like when you get next to an athlete, you see like, all right, this is really an athlete. So you don't always need to train that way, per se. But movement quality, like I said, train movement. You look athletic. You move great. And that's the goal. What happened to your ankles that stopped you or what took you out of football? You look athletic. You move great. And that's the goal. What happened to your ankles that stopped you?

Or what took you out of football? Well, most so, well, my body was just beat up. Okay. Like I was just banged up. Like I didn't scratch. I didn't do mobility. I just go out there and practice. Practice and lift.

So no stretching, no practice, all that. So you take a beating from football, which it is. I was running back inside running back. So I take a lot of hits from big guys. No scratching. Then you go lift. Like my body was never rotating. Like I just wear and tear and just not taking care of yourself.

It's interesting, right? Like there's no stress mitigation. It's like let's just go stress the body. Yeah. And, you know, there are good stresses a lot of times. You know, the training that we get from sports and the training we get from the weight room, those are good stresses. But, like, we do need, like, a way to, like, you know, we're going to overload the body with a bunch of weight on squats. We need a way to, like, decompress. I don't think that's really thought of that much.

No, and the resources aren't there really. It depends on how high and what type of level. You see those guys in Alabama. They got true strength and conditioning coaches. So you see they perform and they're in good shape. Half their day is designed to decompress. The other half of the day is to stress. Exactly.

But once you go lower level, those Division II, those lower – the quality of the coaching get lessened because if I'm a good coach, I'm going to go somewhere high and I'm going to get paid because you're dealing with 80, 90 athletes.

So it's like, you want to get your money's worth and also be able to, so it gets less. So the service is just not as good. So all the scratching

and the relaxing stuff, if you don't already know it on your own, you miss out on it. Like I had a roommate in college, best friend still, big into scratching, flexible, but he did it all on his own. Like he took the discipline of doing it himself. I didn't have that discipline because, again, I was naturally gifted at football. So I could just show up and perform. So it's like.

You'd probably tell him. i don't need all that i'm thinking that in my head but i'm like but at the end of the day had i done it like i would have been like i was good but i could have been great yeah and you just it's just the knowledge wasn't there i was an idiot young kid i didn't think too much of it and when you're good at something it's like oh i'd be great at i'm already better than everybody else so it's like what's the point of keeping time it's a little bit of a curse yeah it is it is and you don't know that until you're smart enough to figure it out and i learned that later in life once i figured out how to use my body and like what i could do like i'm i'm in better shape now than when i was playing like my body isn't broken. Like, I can run faster, jump higher. And I'm 29,

comparing to when I was 22 and 23. It's not a big difference, but it's the knowledge factor. Like, I know more now. Like, I know more about my body, how to use my body, how to nourish my body. Like, I eat the right things.

It's just stuff you don't know unless you know it. And I learned it, which is good now, but I probably could have used it back then. Compared to when you were focusing on a lot of barbell lifting, how has your strength changed and how has your body changed? Because I think one thing that a lot of people probably think if they're like, okay, I'm going to do a lot of kettlebell training is because they're not moving as much load.

Like compare doing these kettlebell movements to deadlifting 365 or squatting 405, right? You don't have as much load you're working with. So you're going to inherently think like, I'm going to lose muscle or I'm not going to be as strong. What have you found as you've developed your kettlebell skill and strength over the years versus what you were doing before? How does your body compare? So I found a lot. So the biggest mix is having people get is you don't just swing and snatch kettlebells. Like I lift kettlebells as if I would train with a dumbbell or a barbell. Like I squat all the movements that I would do. I do them with kettlebells. So it's not like I'm just swinging. So when people go, you can't feel muscle from kettlebell.

Well, you're talking about the kettlebell swing. You may have a little bit of of argument but i'm not going to the gym is just swinging the bell for three hours like i'm lifting i'm lunging i'm squatting i'm doing all the natural stuff but for to answer your question what did i find i find that the power and like the transition of a swing like a heavy swing i don't think it's any different from like the power it takes to do a heavy deadlift if it's done correctly. Because load is load. It's just power transferring from your lower to your upper. And if you're doing it correctly, it's the same. Yeah.

So I don't need to max out a deadlift to know I can max out a deadlift because I'm doing snatches with 125 pounds with one arm. Yeah. snatches with 125 pounds with one arm. I'm guessing the power that it takes to get that from the floor to the top is the same power for you to take the deadlift six inches off the floor and I'm bringing something six inches over my head from the floor. So the power is the same, but for me

to answer your question, I feel like kettlebells allowed me to build a lot of unilateral strength, which I feel like not a lot of people like to do because, I mean, it's more work. If I got to do 12 lunges on one side, I got to do it on the other side. So, it's like, all right, I'd rather just do 12 squats than just think, oh, I worked my body that way. But in actuality, you're not because your dominance, in my, I think, always think that way.

Your dominance size always takes over. Yeah. So it's always getting more work. So you're not equally like balanced in my eyes. So I almost do everything unilateral. It takes me longer, but I feel equally distributed as far as strength wise. Yeah. You know, you got like uh unilateral stuff going on which

just not people don't always think of that because they're like on like leg extension machines and uh leg presses and maybe they're doing squat bench deadlift and so they're not maybe getting that much of it you also don't really get much um you don't really absorb a lot of force in the gym you know unless you're specifically going after it like if you're throwing a kettlebell or throwing a medicine ball, rather, one that kind of bounces into like a wall and then you catch it. You're doing like wall balls and you keep catching it and throwing it. If you're doing Olympic lifting, cleans and snatches, if you're doing plyometrics, you're going to be kind of catching and absorbing force. And this is what a lot of sport is. Actually, I think all sports are that way, even if it's you absorbing your own force from change of direction.

But you're getting tons of this in with the kettlebell work. You were just showing me that lunge where you're like, yeah, I kind of lunge like this. And you're just showing like it's really great to see you just spring into it like it ain't nothing. And then for me to try it, I'm like, there's a thousand different things going on in one movement. But, you know, you're showing this kind of lunge and you took the kettlebell and you absorbed the force of that kettlebell by picking it up off the ground, rotating. Like it was very complex movements.

And I just think like, I know the lifters probably listen to us sometimes and probably like, man, these guys really, they're really falling apart over there. Like I wish they would talk about, I would just love for people just to incorporate some of this, you know, maybe at the end of the workout or maybe as a warmup, just incorporate a little bit of this. It can go a long way and you don't have to get as busted up from your

training. Maybe as I did. A hundred percent. And you won't, for me, it's like, you don't, you won't stop. So a lot of people their biggest issue with it is implementing and bringing it in. They think it's like oh I'm not getting, how's this helping me get stronger? Every workout shouldn't be about that though.

Just watching you do that snatch there was no like just the weight went up overhead and I know like that kettlebell has to come back down. I mean that's I don't know 70 pound kettlebell, 100 that kettlebell has to come back down. Yeah, yeah. I mean, that's, I don't know, 70-pound kettlebell, 100-pound kettlebell? What is that? 70, 72. That one's 72.

There's no movement. There's no, like, your body just, you know, you could sit there with a big smile on your face. Fucking goals, man. And you're still out here deadlift. What's that on the hex bar you had? It was like 485. Without probably a lot of deadlifting, though, right? No, I don't do much. Split stance, too. How often do you do a hex bar you had? It was like 485. Without probably a lot of deadlifting though, right? No, I don't do much.

Split stance too. How often do you do a hex bar deadlift? So I try to implement it. Not split. It's probably like, it's like kickstand. It's a kickstand. I'll do like every eight to 10 weeks. I'll spend a week, maybe a week and a half.

And it's not even. And then you have that kind of strength when you go and do it. Exactly. That's fucking awesome. And what did you say that stance is called? What do you call that? Kickstand. So almost like a sprinter stance kind of?

Yeah, mostly everything on the front leg, back legs. And I would assume that you switch. Yeah, you're going to do back to the other side. Yeah, the other side. Not all walking around all crooked. But no, that's honestly one right there that's a good concept that a lot of lifters can take into a lot of the stuff that and that's what i did with the post i kind of try to tell people like oh the power that it took me to snatch in a staggered

stance from that position is the same that that one rep took yeah you know what's a really cool thing too is we were talking about you were saying how your girlfriend's a runner and you, one day she just wants to run and she ran eight miles and you just went out there. It's been, it was a while since you ran too, right? But I'll tell the story too, cause she'll like this. When we did, we did the half marathon together, she was way more primed and ready to go than I was like I had an issue with my hamstrings I told you because I normally run barefoot

but that day I decided oh I'm wearing hokas but you can't just go out and put on shoes when you've been training barefoot you know better than this

I did when you say barefoot you mean like the vivos the vivos the barefoot shoes and I probably pissed her off

because I was holding her up but I was in pain because I switched shoes yeah I know I pissed her off because she was she her up but I was in pain because I switched shoes yeah I know I pissed her off because she was she's probably like he's such a bitch

oh man I know she got so mad a couple times I was like just go just go but I was truly in pain because the shoes I was this close

to just throwing them and just running the whole thing barefoot but I knew better I trained the whole time in knees and I should have just trained in

these but yeah she kicked my butt that day she kicked my butt that day what made you want to switch to the hokas i don't know because she had them she was saying how great that was and i like with long runs you want to feel the cushion sometimes you're like an impact of a barefoot half marathon you're like all right let's get annoying but you can't you can't do that yeah you can't and i knew better i don't know what i was thinking and that's how it ended how are your ankles nowadays because you mentioned some of the barefoot stuff and so i'd imagine that your ankles and calves and shins are probably they're good now they're good now i do a lot of like i probably got some of my page i do a lot of like front loaded like toe squats like i don't

like i like the the body weight, but I like the loaded. Listen, man. Here's what we're going to do. I know the 49er strength condition. We're going to fucking drive up there later today. We're going to get you a tryout. Give me a tryout. We got to get you back in the game.

What do you think, Andrew? Well, so here's the thing. I was searching the old Google and stuff. I'm pretty sure this is you. Yeah, this is you. Okay. I just wanted to make sure because that thing. I was, you know, searching the old Google and stuff. I'm pretty sure this is you. Yeah, this is you. Okay. I just wanted to make sure because that's why I was like hesitant because I wasn't 100% sure. This is freshman year, I think.

Yeah. Where's he at though? This is not. I went to a JUCO first before I went to. But just look at the strength though. It's like, see, yeah, like bounce. Bounce. I try to tackle me.

Shit. Fuck off, dude me i was like 175 then i was a young kid got a way now because you are you are massive i'm like 198 really yeah i was like you're like 198 right now yeah i mean it's still big when you're primarily all muscle you gotta see this uh barry sanders move real quick though, though. Oh, he's stealing shit from Barry Sanders. Watch, dude. This is such a sweet move. Like, this shit gives me the chills for real. Watch this. And he's like, yeet.

Say yeet. Angles look pretty good there. Hey, that was just a bunch of white dudes on that belt. That ain't that hard, you know know good old football play some football like my dad did good old corn fed boys from midwest that would be sick dude yeah he would he would destroy that hill yeah he'd run up and down that

shit like nothing what hill they got this hill at the 49ers facility because Jerry Rice was like, he made it super popular. He would just run up a hill. His warm-up would make people throw up. So they created a hill at the 49ers practice facility. Super steep. It's like... Super steep. Tons of fun, though.

It is a lot of fun to run up and down that shit. It was pretty cool. Yeah, that'd be fun but so going back to these days uh we just showed the uh the highlights like i would imagine your physique was still pretty insane back then as far as like my standards right to you you were like i was just working on my performance didn't care too much about it but you were jacked right yeah in a sense of i would bench press and i would squat that was it yeah so then my my question is because like when i see you doing kettlebells and i'm sure a lot of people will feel this way too there's like well shit i need to start doing that because obviously it's

working right but my question is is like does kettlebells and this is kind of impossible impossible to actually answer but do you think that kettlebells uh works really well for anybody or it's just that your body is built very very well to handle kettlebells so that way you can actually make a lot of progress on it this question stems from um from a board of james smith who was talking about when people would see swimmers and like oh they got big old shoulders they got big arms like damn i'm gonna start swimming because that's obviously working. But swimmers swim because swimming fits them very well. So do you think it's the same thing for you

where kettlebells just happens to fit you extremely well? No, I think kettlebells fits everybody. Perfect, yeah. Because I do a lot. You have a lot of clients. Yeah, a lot of different clients that everybody's in different walks of life. I got a lot of guys. I'm pretty sure they came from Rogan.

When Rogan shouted me out, a lot of jujitsu guys love kettlebells. Oh, yeah. Got a lot of guys that's in snowboarding, skateboarding, hockey, all sports. And they say how well it transitioned to what they do. So I feel like it's for everyone. I know Roggan gets like really fired up when he talks about like functional training right because he kind of makes fun of like doing uh like uh like preacher curls he's like yeah whenever you're gonna like save somebody

that's like stuck on the other side of the couch you're like oh i gotta get you up like a kettlebell right you better rip them like you know you would actually do something with it so that does make a lot of sense i feel like it's for everyone and i and i only know that because of how many people i work with and the different walks of life they do everybody does something different and they all tell me how well it translates to what they do yeah what about um if people are like rehabbing an injury because like for me like i my back's always been kind of my limiting factor so when i'm thinking about your traditional like uh kettlebell swings right like if I'm not careful if I like hip thrust too hard through it like I could tweak my back a little bit so do you have you worked with anybody working through an injury yes most people and that's where I get a

lot of my reviews from people that have back injury because you're not just swinging it and that's what my programs is not they're less about the swinging and more about the movement of your body i'm just asking you to hold the kettlebell but the movement is truly what it's all about it's about moving your body in this direction opening your hips and learning how to use your core and how to use your lower back so now when i ask you to swing it you understand how to swing it so it doesn't hurt you. Got it. How do you kind of answer the question if someone, you know, sees you in public and they're like, hey, man, you lift?

I get that. You kind of like, it's the kettlebell stuff I think is like different than lifting, right? It is. It is. In a way. It is. And I get that a lot. It's a couple of guys.

People size you up. They see me. They size you up. And they're like, why are you just standing over there with the kettlebell like man this is what i do this is what i do and i like i said i still lift in a sense of i'm just lifting the kettlebells like i'm still i'm pressing the kettlebells i'm just not using other instruments and i think it's better that way because the way the weight is distributed in the kettlebell it challenges you to use more than you think about like so i think like i always tell people it doesn't it's brainless to do a

bicep curl like you can teach a toddler how to do that they only have to think about just do it they just do this like it's natural but when you put movements where you have to actually think about it like you press the kettlebell overhead you can't just press it like a dumbbell because you got to worry about how it sits on your wrist. You got more stuff to think about. So I like the challenge of that. And I think you could apply some of these rules to a dumbbell. You could. To a barbell, it would start to get harder.

It gets tricky with a dumbbell too because the weight is on both sides. Right. When the weight's like distributed at the bottom, it's a little different. It's a lot different. Like we talked about, you can pass the weight back from one side to the other or it gets that flip and then again you have to absorb that force.

You gotta know how to absorb it. There's techniques to it. You see some people do kettlebells and then you see me do them. Movements look more fluid. But I started that way. I just had to learn how to. There's people, mind you, I have no, there's kettlebell

search you can get. I have none of them. I love that. Everything I've done, I've learned through myself. There's some coaches, there's this coach, Coach Darius, he's a black guy that teaches kettlebells. That's like a rare in the world. He's a black guy that teaches kettlebells. And that's like a rare in the world. He's pretty good.

I like him. And I do some of his masterclasses. But other than that, I've never done any. I'm all self-taught. So it's like you can be done. You just got to figure out how you want to do it and just apply yourself. Something I noticed in the gym. Sorry to cut you off.

One thing I noticed in the gym is that you had respect every time you picked the kettlebell up like it didn't matter what weight it was i never saw you just like grab it and say hey i'm going to show you this yeah like you stood over top of it every time grabbed it like with good form and i think that that's where people that's how people get hurt with stuff like that because you look at the kettlebell and you're like you know i i normally deadlift 275 you know and you see the kettlebell and it's this tiny little thing and it might only be 30 pounds but yeah you got to be careful you definitely got to be careful because the way you hold it the way the way you move your body you got to make sure you always engage because you

can throw your back out just as easy as you can get better a little closer to the mic just as easy as you can get better in your movement quality, you can get hurt as well. Yeah. That's why it's important to address it with the knowledge of knowing what you're doing and knowing why you're doing it. But like I said, that's why a lot of the movements that I do and I have people do, you can easily put the kettlebell down and do those same movements. I put the kettlebell in it because it makes it more interesting. Yeah, that's what I did today because you were showing some complicated stuff or at least it was complicated to me. And I was like, I don't know if I'll even get that with the kettlebell in it because it makes it more interesting yeah that's what i did today because you were showing some complicated stuff or at least it's complicated to me and i was like i don't know if i'll even get that with the kettlebell let me try to not get it without

and the movement it does what it needs to do without it so i mean it works out you know it's funny on the talk of lack of respect for weights there was two years ago i was warming up on deadlifts sumo deadlifts and I was just like doing 135 and 225. And when I picked up the 225, because I was being lazy with it, I pulled something in my back. It was like I picked it off the ground and whoop, and boom, I was done because I wasn't respecting the fucking load. It's like you got to do that shit. No, definitely with the kettlebell, especially with it. But one thing that's really cool about kettlebells too is not, number one, you can get very big and very strong working with just kettlebells.

Absolutely, that's a fact. But you can do movements that typically wouldn't be approachable. Like a barbell snatch for general population is a movement that you really have to have time to train different aspects of that. But a kettlebell snatch, not like you'd be able to get on session one, but you can attain the skill of being able to do a kettlebell snatch fairly quickly and still work with all those different mechanics of the hip and the shoulder. You get all of that. You're bringing up a good point. Like a front squat is actually really, really difficult for me, but a front squat with the kettlebells in the rack position, because like a rack position is even hard for me. But with the kettlebells, it's not bad.

It's so much easier. So, yeah, you're bringing up a really good point. You can, it can help get you like that position looks awesome. And we were talking in the gym about how these positions you're like, you can kind of see like you're gently getting pushed into a good range of motion rather than being like forced. There's something about the barbell being on your back and having your arms kind of pinned back that way where it's like squishing you down.

It doesn't look the same and it certainly doesn't feel the same. Yeah. There's a lot to it. And the thing is too, when you started picking up kettlebells, what did you notice was a change in terms of like your ability to work with different movements with the barbell because with barbells you do get to work explosive strength in different aspects but with kettlebells you're really throwing that weight around and i would assume that like when you do barbell stuff now it has transitioned over your ability to

explode has transitioned over pretty well it has with the More so I see it with my deadlift. It's just when you get in these positions where you normally want little to no movement, it's possible. You might pull a big deadlift. You want to feel locked in. But if you're ever in that position, you can feel your body rotate a little bit. Being able to feel that and know you can do that, it helps you get the bar up.

Because if you're really stuck and you're stuck and you're going straight up, you feel stiff. You don't want to feel stiff. You want to feel like you can move your hips and get under the weight like you're supposed to.

Do you feel stiff at all nowadays, by the way? No, almost never. I feel sore a lot because I train six days a week. So I'm always a lot sore. Fucking runs 12 miles randomly on the weekend. I feel sore a lot, but like...

You're a savage. You feel it. A 395 split squat. Oh, yeah, I did that this morning for you. It's crazy. You said, yeah, you think you can probably split squat more than you can do with a regular squat. Oh, 100%. That's wild.

Wow. I train it. I train it. What I liked when you were showing us some of this stuff in the gym so far today, I know you're going to show us other stuff, but what I'm really liking from you is that you're really utilizing both legs. And sometimes I tend to forget, like if I'm going to do something unilaterally, I'm not really thinking about the other leg or the other arm that's involved in it. It's like, well, that plays a big part in it too it

does and you want to feel it there's a certain position like i say with the split squat i want to feel that opposite like yes i'm trying to work my front leg but i need to make sure this glute is engaging my hip is locked because i don't want that back leg to move and i need my so my core on this side is locked in like the anti-rotation of that piece i need to make sure that's locked in as well oh this is the movement that's the movement we were talking about yeah this looks yeah that looks great so this is really cool like something like this i don't see this from other people but like what was going through your mind when you started doing this and for some of this like did you see this off of somebody else or were you just like exactly yeah it's all it's

all me combining movements like i like i the way i train i go in the gym i know i need to do lower body pull and upper body push or vice versa that's how i train and i just implement implement movements in those categories yeah lower body pull upper body push upper body push and um i would imagine like there's a little crossover sometimes because like the kettlebells kind of work and they work everything yeah they do so with me i was just a focus yeah i move lateral and i rotate no matter what every day but the focus sometimes is always lower push then i'll do upper pull so that means like rolls and your snatches but my lower push is a lot of

the quiet work the squats the lunges a lot of stuff. So you kind of get – so essentially it's full body. Yeah. But I don't see it that way. I see it as like, oh, I'm pulling. I'm posterior chain this day. So what's – for example, with this, you're working – what's going on here? So it's like – it's essentially a single leg row. But I took the balance portion out of it by putting my arm on the bench.

He's got one arm down on the bench. Typically with a row like this, sometimes somebody has both legs planted on the ground or they have their knee and their arm on the bench. And like what's really brilliant about a lot of this stuff, I don't know how much like thought that you put into it. It looks to me like there has been a lot of thought. It looks like you think about this day and night. All day. But what I like about it, though, is that it looks like you've just been playing with it for a long time. And you probably sit at home and you're probably like, I wonder if I mix this with this.

But this is what I like to call anti-rotational. So you have to break. I think people don't understand. That looks so easy it looks so simple but that is a very very difficult movement and to really brace your body as you go to pull that kettlebell up you have to flex your stomach like crazy and your butt on the back and that's what back leg and that's what's probably getting the most work out of this whole exercise is my butt my glutes and my opposite leg yes because i'm you

see me trying to make sure it drives up and be locked in i love people like you man you're a genius i think i think in a lot of ways you are like you're this is like a artistic expression i think yeah and again it's just there's there's so many things you can do and it's not limited like someone created a kettlebell someone created a barbell but. Like someone created a kettlebell, someone created a barbell, but a kettlebell with a kettlebell, and I'm not trying to shit on barbells, but you can do so many more things. All the movements you can do with a barbell,

you can do with a kettlebell, but then there's so much more you can add to it, especially all the single leg stuff you're doing. Like some people can do suitcase deadlifts with barbells and there are some type of, you know, there are, you could do single leg deadlifts with a barbell, but with a kettlebell, there's so much more you can add to it you know there's more of a core

aspect of it yeah like everything is about your center of gravity and how well you can stable yourself while doing these movements because there's there's different ways like you can see some people do the moves and they look a little bit more sloppy because they're not as centered or their core strength or their stability is not there. That's me. But it's just doing it more. Yeah. Understanding when you need to brace

and when you need to release because it's constant with a kettlebell. You're never holding a position. Like you say, you absorb and you give force. So it's constantly like give and take, give and take and give and take, knowing when to do it. And it's great for young people,

but especially for individuals like you, you've said you had older clients, but for people who are getting older, the balance aspect, the core stability aspect, the rotation, you'll just, you're doing all these things.

You're going to age well. Oh, a hundred percent. And it's like you said, it's good for the youth because a lot of the youth kids in sports, you don't want to have those kids. As much as we put them on the bars, you don't want to put those kids on the bars that young and have them start getting the pains that we got from lifting heavy and doing all that stuff. I see some of these high school kids, they're maxing out squats.

The squats, it's not even about the quality. It's about just getting the weight. I was like, well, that was a poor squat. So he probably shouldn't have been doing it. Like I would rather him do a better quality squat and get into a depth than to see him squat 500 pounds. Meanwhile, the team goes crazy and everyone's all excited. They go crazy.

And I'm like, oh, I was like, that rep's not that great. And you probably shouldn't have posted that video. But that's the difference from a standpoint of worrying about the weight and movement quality. Because at the end of the day, that three-quarter squat is not going to transition to when he needs to push his ass on the field or to block somebody. That full range of motion would have done it but you guys just get out of the weight rather than posting that lift maybe you're posting your touchdown you know what i mean there you go and you like because uh the opposite of like you know that 500 pound squat would be you executing the 36 pound kettlebell perfectly which no one would

no one might be that excited about exactly i'll be excited about it we'll be excited for you yeah what's uh i just i can't get over is like it looks like your foot or your knee is like hitting an invisible wall with how much control you have right here it just stops out of nowhere like i just i've been like looping it over and over and over just like how it like trying to find like what's the secret here but it looks you are under so much control cgi yeah maybe yeah yeah the new iphone camera is a motherfucker but uh so like um this is another like silly question but like do you ever specifically train like your abs like for core strength or anything like that like it's not necessary right no that's like a joke yeah that's why i say it's not necessary right no that's like a joke

yeah that's why i say it's a silly question because well because like again going back to like traditional like weight room stuff you gotta gotta work your abs you gotta do leg lifts and all these other you know subpar movements but with a kettlebell it's not like it just happens as like a side effect right yeah i mean that's what i was saying if you learn how to use your core when the brace with every movement you're using your core so you're going to get a strong core and if you're eating healthy or anything you'll develop the physique or the abs that you're looking for if you're all those things fall but if you're training the kettlebell the way you're supposed to you're always working your core all the time yeah every. So you don't need that stuff. And I just don't.

It's just not in my forte. It's like, and that's the same thing with like the bicep curls and try. It's like I see it as wasted time. Like it's effective for more sports that needs it. Like bodybuilders, they need that direct, like I get it. But I get like most clients, I get an hour with them. I'm not letting them bicep curl. I need a movement that I can get more out of.

Because at the end of the day, they may have goals to like lose weight. And me doing bicep curls with them is not going to get it. But the thing is, is like you can still, you're still incorporating movements that's going to have them using their bicep but having them use all these other things. Exactly. bicep but having them use all these other things exactly because i'm thinking like there's going to be somebody listening that's like well you know you're doing this movement you could just move more weight and put more weight into a specific muscle if you just did just a row or if you just did just a bicep curl but the ability of having the body worked together to stabilize while also moving a specific load you can develop that muscle but you're also going to develop more longevity that like all of the longevity the mobility stuff is all baked into the way that you're moving.

Yep. And that's what I was, I would mean, him was talking about this earlier with like certain with like the bicep thing as far as just rowing. And like, I love rowing and I do a ton of rows, like different types of split stands. of split stands. And I think, to me, that's more effective for your bicep than a curl. Because I can roll probably over 120 pounds. I probably can't curl past, like, 60s. You see what I'm saying?

So it gets into a point where it becomes more effective. And your workout length, man, because we were talking about you just randomly going out and running eight miles. The fact that you were just able to do that, even though it might've been a bit slower shows that you are getting your heart rate up while you're doing these workouts. So what does that kind of look like? Your rest periods, the length of the workout, how,

how high do you think your heart rate's getting? It probably gets up there. Yeah. And then you see a lot of these people crack me up there. I'll be like, Oh, what are you putting? Like baby oil.

Yes. I like, I like, all right. And it's like, to me, it's like both of you guys, you got that. It's like, use your common sense, bro. I'm swinging kettlebells. You think I'm about to have baby war around these cells? Baby oil don't just wipe off. So if oil gets on the kettlebell and it slips, like I'm in my house.

I was going to say, yeah, you're in your living room. Use your common sense, bro. You're done. Please just tell us what kind of baby oil it is. Obviously, it has grip but still shiny. No, no. I'm telling you. We know.

You get into swinging a kettlebell like five or ten minutes. Listen, the way the sweat comes, it's insane. Then you go into a strict lift, you're dying in there. It stresses the fuck out of your body. It does. Well, everything's, you're working the mental. I'll give you an example. Not even weights.

You were doing some of the mobility stuff. You were starting to sweat a little bit, right? Oh, absolutely. Exactly. Right away. We're not even doing weights. It's just the thinking piece of it. Your body's just working it's challenging on so many different levels and in some ways like you know you have to you have to think about it a lot because you're like for me

i was moving in some ways that i don't normally move uh and then on top of it like i have certain things in my body that are still tight i got certain pain in certain areas so i got to think about it a lot and as you go through it you're like what hurts and something might kind of hurt just a little bit as you're doing the movement and that'll increase your body temperature too exactly and that's what that's what happens what how much is that weight that you're putting first off over your head and then not just i think it's 40 kg you're squatting down with that shit bro and that is a little bit like uh they call it like a saxon press or something like that bro and that is a little bit like uh they call it like a saxon press or something like that right it's like a little bit like that but you got a different

version of it because you're you're actually squatting the hips down super low but you're just kind of like when you're doing this stuff like i know we talked about you you do think about it a lot but um you're probably just going like somewhat off of feel too, right? Feel, yeah. And that's what it became. I started to try to move in ways that I wasn't able to move. So I was putting my body in these movements and loading it and using the load to give me the range of motion. And eventually you get the mobility of it. Yeah.

You know what's really cool, though, man? Like you mentioned that you have no certs, and number one, I like that. If any trainers are out there, you want to get certs, get certs. But the cool thing I like about that is with certain certifications, there's movements and whatever, and there's things that they also say, don't do this and don't do that. And that's what I disliked about them, the way they preach, because they were frowned upon the way I typically train. The movements I do, they don't see them as being, like, ethical.

And I'm like, all right, well, okay. But because they want you to stay in that realm of how they coach and how, which is great for them. But for me, this is what works for me this is what gets me excited and ready to work out every day and that's more so what i think it should be about if i doing what they do i would get bored with that i would have stopped already i would say i would say one thing too is i think that what you're doing and how you're doing it i think is uh it's kind of almost insulated from injury. And I know you can hurt yourself doing anything. I'm sure that you have tweaked stuff here and

there, but like somebody is either going to be mobile enough to do that and strong enough to do that, or they won't be able to do the exact representation of what you're doing. So in these certifications, a lot of times they're like, no, that's the wrong way to do it. And the wrong way is usually judged by like sometimes a rounded back because they think someone's going to get hurt. But again, to my point is that if somebody is watching you on TikTok or Instagram, they're checking out what you're doing. When they go to mimic what you're doing, it's going to be extremely rare for somebody to be strong enough and mobile enough. And if they are strong enough and mobile enough, they most likely aren't going to hurt themselves anyway. So play around with it. have fun with it and experiment and if something feels sketchy something feels wrong back away man back off back off of

it and that's what people say when i get the reviews back because i get a ton of reviews on my programming stuff they say oh i started with lighter weight than i would have wanted to but it still gave me like the best workout it's like thank, thank God. And I feel, and it's like, I feel the movement and I'm getting better each week with the movement and I love it. Yeah. And just like, I've seen you do certain things and I, after I saw you, I was like, why have I not been doing that shit? It's like, you know, you'll do certain kettlebell things and you'll jump with the kettlebell

or you'll jump with like, you were just jumping with the, uh, the staggered stance or you're just trap bar deadlift you're just jumping with that right so the the thing is is number one like you're not limited in terms of the type of movements you're doing first off all these tools have been made up we made these tools up and then certain people are like okay well let's we made this tool let's put some rules around the way this tool is used like no you don't have to put a rule so we can monetize it you don't have to put some rules around the way this tool is used. Like, no, you don't have to put a rule. We can monetize it. You don't have to put a rule around the way I use a kettlebell or a barbell. There are some safe concepts that you want to have.

Right. But outside of that, fucking explore and play around with it and figure out like what your body is able to actually do. Exactly. And when you get people, you tell people stop exploring. That's when you kind of lose it. And that's what I get frustrated with people because there's a lot of fitness influencers. The way they coach is telling people, oh, don't do this, don't do this, which I'm fine with when it comes to within the route of are they being safe. But you got to understand the generation we're in, you can't tell people to stop moving.

People already don't move enough. and the generation we're in, you can't tell people to stop moving. People already don't move enough. So it's like, why would you be, no, don't stop. Figure out how you can do it without hurting yourself or figure out how it's going to be effective for you. But don't ask people to stop or do this because the moment you tell me stop, I'm doing something wrong, I'm going to stop. And it may be hard to get me back exercising or back into it.

And I figured out the most important thing is people got to be excited to show up. Oh, yeah. Because you may have the best program in the world, but you can't get me to show up and I'm not excited to do it. I don't get the results of it. But if this trainer can get me excited and I come consistently, we're going to figure

something out eventually. Yeah. And that's more so what it's about, the longevity of it. but you lose people when you you got those like really brainiac trainers that are like like psychopedia type which is i think is great like you it's great that you know that but don't think your client wants to know it yeah i got dude this guy got three kids a wife that drives him nuts and he got a job he doesn't care about the science of what you're trying to teach him and once you understand that you why would someone's wife drive them nuts i don't know man i've never oh interesting maybe

she makes do you not like women so i've got a couple clients that I'm referencing I'm referencing something yeah but I'm saying that's you don't need to do that and yeah that's how you keep people excited to show them that's how I try to keep create my programs because they excite me so when I give them to people and they're excited about it when I read my reviews they're like it's new like someone's new. Like someone said something the other day, it was like, I felt empowering. And I was like, oh man, that's like the best compliment you can give me from a programming standpoint. Cause that's like, think about that. You made someone that's never really into exercise feel empowering about exercising. Dude, that's phenomenal. I also know you mentioned that you, like, you know, you're having Mark and I do some stuff in the gym without the kettlebell, but you're very mobile and you're very flexible.

Do you, do you do any of that stuff outside kettlebells or do you use kettlebells to help you get into different positions and express that mobility and flexibility? Kettlebells. I use kettlebells to help me get in these positions. And I lot, I'll do really, some of the movements you got to really load to be able to get deep in them. And once you're in those, at that range of motion that you don't have and you're in it, you sit in it. You isolate it. And you work it. And you start training it. And eventually you get that mobility piece of it.

And that's why I can hold 88 pounds over my head and get into a deep squat because i've been working it yeah but it's developed over time we've seen olympic lifters do that olympic lifters they kind of bounce at the bottom they kind of hang out there um they might have the weight in like a front rack position with like just the bar then they'll push the bar overhead and they'll just keep kind of messing around. They stay down real low. And sometimes they'll even go off to one side. I've seen them do that. I saw that.

I saw that. Yeah, I've seen them put the bar – like they'll put the bar actually on their legs. I don't know if you've ever seen that before. And they'll rotate their hips around and kind of just keep moving, and they just stay down there. And most of them have – when it comes to that particular lift, they have some good mobility. I'd like for everybody to kind of think about something for a moment. And this is what's kind of popping into my head as I'm watching you do a lot of these movements. If you were to think about like if there was a way to measure the length, the distance that your muscles moved for a particular day,

it looks like what you're doing, your muscles are moving a tremendous amount, like miles worth of training. When you think of a bicep curl or tricep pushdown, that would be the equivalent of just like a small stride, like a small step. But what you're doing is these are like giant leaps of the body being used and expressed in a full pattern because you're picking the weight up off the ground, right? So if we pick – and you're not always picking the weight up off the ground, but most of the time you're picking the weight up off the ground. If you pick a weight up off the ground and you just brought it to your – if you just brought it to your side, that would be like a deadlift. That represents a certain distance that you move the weight. You move the weight 16 inches, I don't know, however tall you are, right?

When you pull it up towards your upper body, you then moved it probably close to double that distance. Now you pressed it overhead. Or in your case, sometimes you're moving your body also around the weight over and over again. So while the isolation exercises have their merit, because we can like isolate, we could put tension on that muscle and we can get hypertrophy from it. What you're doing, I think, just has a tremendous benefit from the metabolism standpoint because the whole body is getting worked almost every single time, almost on every single exercise. And so as you're talking, I'm like, man, there's no real way to like register some of this

or have it make sense. But to me, that was kind of what was making sense. It's almost like I'm kind of envisioning that tape that people would use, that athletic tape where people had the tape on their body after they get worked on and stuff. And in this case, that tape is being stretched out all the way, almost on every exercise, almost all the time. And that's the way I see it. all the way, almost on every exercise, almost all the time. And that's the way I see it. Like if I'm training upper body, I don't believe in my lower body just being stagnant and dead.

That's why a lot of times you see me do like the single leg braids, then I'll do the press. Because I feel like why not involve, like this is a motor, get everything working together. Why not involve that and get that full body work instead of just standing there and just doing a press? Because if I just stand here and do a press, I'm not going to think about how my lower body is engaging. I'm just going to only do this. But if I put myself where I'm isolating and my legs are feeling like pressure now and there's a little bit of pressure where I'm feeling like my quads involved. Now I'm pressing. Then you get the full motion.

You'll feel it from your quads to your lat, through the press, instead of just standing here, just pressing. And I like that. I mean, that works for me. I don't like to feel like stationed.

And like you said, I probably don't care too much for the machines. Cause I feel like the motion of my lower body is like dead. Like I wanted to be involved because there's parts of it that I probably could use. Like people, when people bitch press, dead like i wanted to be involved because there's parts of it that i probably could use like people when people bitch press like a lot of people don't know how to use their lower body because it's they don't know how to get involved but if you start to train in a way where you want to feel from the floor up in every exercise it's so much stronger right and an important aspect of it too is, you know, again, if I'm thinking of like, if just from a bodybuilding perspective, again, one would be like, well, you know, over time you're going to be able to progress that press much faster.

But with what you're doing, you're doing a lot of the stuff with 80, 100 pounds. Right. And it took you a while to, uh, to progress it to that point. But now you're progressing your whole body to be able to handle that over time. Exactly. But now you're progressing your whole body to be able to handle that over time. The progression of the weight might take a little bit longer, but by the time you're at the place where you're as strong as you are, there's no way in hell that you're still going to be small. Like to get to that level of strength, right? You have to develop muscle. You have to develop strength to be able to do it.

It might take a little bit longer, but the ability that you'll have to control your whole body with load is going to be much more beneficial than only pressing a dumbbell overhead and bringing it back down. True, and that's to your point with the building muscle thing. And we figure this out when we get into lifting, like powerlifting and bodybuilding. There's like a thin line of building muscle where you almost got to be ready to push it to the point of overtraining. And that's why you see some people like I never gained muscle. But they also believe like, oh, I don't want to overtrain. You got to be willing to give a little bit. Like there's obviously when you're putting on a lot of muscle, you're going to overtrain and you're going to reach the point where you're almost at an injury.

But you're also going to put on a lot of muscle because you're loading that muscle a certain way and people don't want to go to that point so you see like they never put on size but in actuality they just don't train hard enough there's an aspect yeah there's an aspect where people don't push themselves hard enough when it comes to weights because there's there's that point where you will reach an injury or you will overtrain. I mean, you just got, to me, when I first got into lifting, I wasn't afraid. I was like, I'm going to push it. I want to get bigger. Obviously, I dealt with injuries, but I got on muscle as I wanted to.

But some people just don't want to risk it to that point. But to your point, back to the kettlebell stuff, when you always are involving each muscle group, then you always work in the muscles. You don't have to worry about, am I going to be overtraining to the point where, but you're always exercising the way you train. Like I train pretty much full body every day, but my body can handle it now. Pat, Roger, family, how's it going? We talk about sleep all the time on this podcast. That's why we partnered with Eight Sleep Mattresses. Now, this mattress is the Tesla of sleep.

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sleep.com slash power project. When you guys go there, you'll see a banner across the top saying that you're going to receive $150 off automatically. So again, that's 8sleep.com slash power project to receive $150 off your pod pro cover or your pod pro cover and mattress combo links to them down in the description as well as the podcast show notes. Let's get back to the podcast. I just feel like we got so much shit wrong. You know, when I look back at a lot of things and again, I don't have any problem with like isolation, like getting a pump. And you were even saying like I got to find some movements for my biceps because it's fun just to get like, okay, yeah, my bicep actually worked.

Like there's something in our brains that really enjoys some of those movements. But even the thing of like isolate your arms. Don't move that way. Like you just worked other muscles. And it's like, what did you just say? I just, you mean that I swung my body around the weight and I used more muscle? Like that sounds beneficial. It does, it does.

Like, let me do it that way. You know, let me grab, you know, 80 pound dumbbells and like, why not swing them around? As long as you're not going to be in a position where, where like, hey man, I actually think you're going to like completely fuck yourself up. But you do have to push yourself to a certain extent anyway. And then why is it okay in certain movements and not okay in others? Like a kettlebell, you swing a kettlebell around.

Like you can't kettlebell train at all unless you swing the kettlebell. There's always a swing in there. Even when you're bringing it up into a snatch or a clean, like there's always some sort of swing. It's always a swing in there. Even when you're bringing it up into a snatch or a clean, there's always some sort of swing. It's got to swing around. But then when you lift weights, for some reason, we're not allowed to swing those. You can't swing a weight and press it overhead. God forbid you go to this side, you go to your right side with a dumbbell in your right hand, and then you press it up and you shift your shoulders to one side, and you use your core. And I do that a lot.

Right? And then what would be the problem with getting into a split stance on that? Or what would be the problem in just raising one leg? Why not just, I don't know, make it more challenging, make it more fun, make it a little different? And that's the rules he was saying people created when they made these. And that's what I break them. and if i'm not getting hurt break them and i'm not getting hurt then it's fine and that's my thing with if i someone can do something they can enjoy it and they benefit from it and they're not hurting themselves let them do it i think it

would be almost harder to hurt yourself because you got the whole body involved. Exactly. Do you see the video I sent you about Teofimo Lopez the other day? I'm not sure. It was from this guy. His name on YouTube is, let's see, Mind Smash. He made a video about Teofimo Lopez is this boxer who's super fucking fast. Like he has amazing hands. But when he lifts weights, have you guys, you know, you've gone to the gym before and you see the guy in front of's super fucking fast. Like he has amazing hands, but when he lifts weights, have you guys,

you know, you, you've gone to the gym before and you see the guy in front of the mirror fucking like, like using momentum to lift, right? Like what's the guy doing? But when Teofimo lifts,

that's all he, like everything is like, everything's like that with everything he does. And he's built muscle, but you see him in the ring and he's still, he's still bouncy but you see him in the ring and he's still he's still bouncy because and there's there's people that think the aspects of why he still has that athleticism is because when he lifts and he does bicep curls in these movements he's not trying to

like just perfectly isolate the bicep because when you punch it's it's everything's going with it so when he lifts everything's going with every aspect of what he's doing in the gym so he doesn't lose that connectivity between the movement and the muscle. So there is something there that is very beneficial, not just for building muscle, but also for building potential explosiveness and movement ability. I agree. Like I said, I think we got it all fucked up well i think it's just more so like longevity because you think about it from uh like we keep talking about the curl so you have someone just curl this motion by itself yeah say you do that forever eventually you're never moving your shoulder in this so have someone curl and do this and do the full range of

the motion because your body's supposed to be able to do this if i train eventually i'm gonna get an injury this way because if i didn't move this way as much as i was moving this way something's gonna be you're neglecting exactly so why not just do the full range and that's what i do with my lifts everything is about from top to bottom and one argument i'd have in the reverse of that like like to play devil's advocate, would just be that like doing some stuff on machines is a nice, fairly safe way. Like I think people can bodybuild forever. I think you can bodybuild forever. But that would be something I would be cautious of in your bodybuilding efforts would be try to make sure you're doing some isolation stuff, just make sure you're working in some full-range stuff and make sure that you're – make sure that like when you're working on trying to get better that you have a wide spectrum of things that you're trying to get better at.

You don't want to try to get better at too many different things at one time. But if you currently – if you're currently a lifter and you have pain daily, back pain, shoulder pain, elbow pain, knee pain, start to figure out ways of getting out of it. And what I'm learning is that a way to get out of that is to be able to move better. It's not necessarily my elbow. It's my entire body. I need to be able to move my entire body better because my elbow, much like, you know, I'm not a fucking baseball pitcher, but like much like a baseball pitcher, a lot of times they're ending up with tightness in their hips. That's causing the issue of them getting just kind of particular injuries in their elbow because of the way their body's moving when they're doing the motion. So for all of us, it's not just the way that we're standing or the way that we're lifting.

It's sometimes the way that we're walking, sometimes the way that we're resting, sometimes the way that we're sleeping. Like it really carries over into every step. And so that's why I think it's important to examine it. But I do think you can get some isolation work in and still build the muscles and still bro out and have a good time. But, man, make sure you're addressing some of these other things so that you can continue to move well and to continue to be strong in your day-to-day life. And that's what it is.

And I, like other people, they see it as, like, tedious. If I'm doing that type of training and I know why I'm doing this to build bigger biceps, what the hell am I doing the mobility piece for? And it doesn't seem tangible. Like, what am I gaining out of this? So it's hard to get them the concept and get them to understand, like, you're gaining the ability to have the full range and to be able to do that bicep curl longer because at some point you're going to get an injury from continues to do that motion and not training this other range of motion so it's hard to get them and that's what i did with the kettlebells i started using them i put in people hands because i was like if i give you a 10 minute mobility thing and you have no weights

you're not less you're less likely to do it. Oh, yeah. Because it doesn't seem interesting. It's like, what the hell am I doing this? But if I can make you think you're working out, you're going to do it. You're going to do it. So you almost like manipulate a little bit. It's like, all right, this felt like a little workout.

Like I didn't waste 10 minutes of my $140 session stretching. You know what I mean? So it's, I don't know, it's a little bit, you got to get people thinking they're doing more than what they are.

Give them what they want. Yeah. Really give them what they need. It's tough, man, when people come up to you and they talk about an injury and you start to give them ideas

of what they could do to help fix it. They really just, it's very rarely like some of the stuff they want to hear. You know, I think maybe in some way they would do to help fix it. They really just, it's very rarely like some of the stuff they want to hear. You know, I think, I think maybe in some way they would love to hear like, keep doing that, you know, do more volume for that, but like reduce the weight, like continue to do your curls, like go for it. Sounds great, but just, you know, use less weight or something, or they just think that the pain is somehow going to subside. And it's like, it's not going to go

away. There's some sort of, there's some sort of movement pattern that you ingrain that's not working properly. And the movement pattern that you ingrained is probably from years of lifting a particular way and not really ever addressing these things. So now you're starting to walk with your feet pointed out. Now you're starting to walk with your shoulders forward. And now it's like, it's creeped into your day to day. It It's like we need your posture to be better. We need like – and it sucks, right? It's a shitty thing because it's like I was trying to tell you about my elbow pain, man. You made fun of the way that I fucking stand and walk.

But that's how you address these things. And that's what it is. It's hard. And that's what – at the end of the day, it's going to require work and discipline from there's the same thing with telling people when people ask you how do i lose weight or how like people ask me all the time how you stay so lean year-round i'm like i can tell you what i do but in actuality i know for a fact because not a lot of people do it you don't want to live the life that i live is how disciplined i am and how strict i am it doesn't interest you it doesn't allow you to live in the way that you've been living your whole life.

For me, it works for me because I enjoy it. I love it. I don't lose – it excites me, like how I can get leaner, how I challenge my body, how I can perform better. Like that stuff excites me. It may not interest you. So it's like I can tell you, but you don't really want to know. If you think about this life, you see people's eyes drift when you start to tell them the Like, I can tell you, but you don't really want to know. You know what I'm saying?

You think about this life. You see people's eyes drift when you start to tell them the actual truth of what it is that you do, right? You don't want to know. You don't know. You don't want to know. I tell this to trainers all the time. You get trainers, like, how you become so passionate and listen. I'm like, it's my life, man.

I love this. This is what I love doing. And you get a lot of trainers that don't get a lot of success, and they think it's my life man like this I love this is what I love doing and you get a lot of trainers that uh they don't get a lot of success and they figure they think it's because of like the way they look I'm not jacked enough I'm not well if you're gonna do something and be passionate about it people need to see that passion and they're not always talk to you so if it's not showing in like what you show them then they're not interested. So like, like I said, my biggest thing with people is I don't talk on my social media, but people like are moved by how they see me move. And,

and I only have to say a word because they see the passion and they see the effort and the discipline in my body language and my physique, obviously the way I look, but like there's proof behind what I'm doing. There's also a complexity behind what you're doing. It is. It's not easy. And that's what you get. And the training world on the internet is insane. There's so many different lanes.

You get trainers that, the brainiac trainers that, but you got to understand what lane you in. And I figured that out early on. I don't want to be, there's so many trainers that aren't really trainers. I work a full-time training job. I work with trainers that aren't really trainers. Like, I've trained. I work a full-time training job. Like, I work with people. I help people. Like, I know what I'm doing.

But you get on the internet and they see you like Jack. It was like, oh, that guy's probably don't know how to teach people. He don't know how to train. Dude, don't buy into that. Like, I know what I'm doing. Trust me. Like, I know what I'm doing. I'm just not – just because I have the muscles and the look, don't think that I don't have the knowledge.

Trust me, I do. It's so weird, man. But you're gifted, Trey. You're gifted. I am. That's the thing. That's what people will say. Don't blame the man for it. The steroid thing killed me.

They killed me with that. Oh, really? I don't get annoyed much, but I think that annoys me because I don't drink. I don't smoke. I don't do any of that stuff. So I won't put alcohol in my body because I think what it does to me. You think I'm going to do steroids? Why challenge me on that?

And it's not even that. It's like, what would it do for me? Yeah. And that's why I argue. You see people and they're like, how can you just look at someone and judge that? We have this conversation on the podcast all the time, dude. So wait a second. You're telling us that you're natural?

There's no way, man. It's crazy. There's no way. It is. But when you factor in how I live my life, I don't go out to clubs. I cook all my food. I'm strictly mostly meat and fruit. You've also been an athlete for how long?

My whole life. I run. I jump. I lift. I do all this stuff. And I train probably 10 to 12 hours a day. I sleep 7, 8 hours a night. You barely have time for steroids.

I was like, do you guys really truly understand what is I don't understand and I was like when was the last time you ever seen someone that takes steroids swing kettlebells in their living room right here you know how you know how like mentally

you gotta be to like shoot up on your couch then lift kettlebells in the room? When you think about it, it doesn't make sense. Use your brain a little bit. It's like, why are you using that as a bailout? Because you don't want to address the fact that maybe you don't eat right. Maybe you drink too much. Maybe you don't exercise enough.

Maybe if you actually did these things, you can actually what like your genetics could actually do with your body yeah just because i've figured out how to maximize and i don't even think i'm at like my peak of what my what i should be looking like i still feel like i'm slacking in some areas you guys think uh race plays into it a little bit because like i know what i know what the white guy like a lot of times uh with white athletes people discredit their athleticism so you know on the flip side sometimes with the black athlete people will discredit the work ethic that might be behind it um i don't know because i mean there's always that one case that trumps that whole idea like say oh white guy's not fast i'm like chris mccaffey's fast right right it's like there's

so there's one there's probably a few more so it's like that trumps that whole like card yeah so it's like you can't play that card and I don't I don't like the genetic piece because it pisses me off because it's like you don't even know where my genetics track back to buddy like what I don't understand that like I was like I could show you what my father and my brothers look like. Trust me. The work is there. It's a difference. They're not just walking around looking like me without the training.

It's not happening. So don't play that card. I hate that card. I really hate it. Because even people in the respected fitness area, they're like, oh, you've got the genetics. Yeah, but you probably work hard. It's like, give me one or the other.

Don't give me both. yeah but you probably work hard it's like give me one or the other like you can't don't give me both like yeah yeah remember how hard they played that card with uh phil heath and like ronnie too like yeah it's like oh they're just you know and it's like dude i know that these guys are using stuff but these guys are fucking putting in work before too and that's why i never and that's why I never wanted to do the, like, I never got into wanting to take steroids. Because I never wanted to be discredit from, like, the work that I do put in. Like, I wanted that to be, like, respected. Like, you don't have to respect. You don't have to like me.

Like, I'm a real hard-nosed guy. Like, I see everything, like, black and white. But I work. Like, I put in work. Like, I grind. Yeah. And I always want that to be, like, something people see and respect. It's just funny that the work you put in has made i grind yeah and i always want that to be like something people see

and respect it's just funny that the work you put on has made you look like you're on steroids and i said that to someone i was like uh i was like it doesn't i don't make my argument any better because i'm mostly i look better than most guys that are on steroids and i'm stronger than most guys that do steroids so i was like my argument is not really strong but i'm like dude i really work out a lot yeah like i really do out a lot. Yeah. Like I really do this a lot. So kind of give me credit for it. This is the reason why you don't talk on social media. Exactly.

There's no point to it sometimes. No, it's like I lose it. Like it's a losing battle because somebody can know you from like nowhere and they still be like, yep, you're still using. But that's the thing is when it comes to this topic, because we talk about different people that like, you know, you know, that guy, Liver King, right? Yeah. Everybody has their opinion on the dude. And we made a podcast talking about it. And when it comes to if people believe someone's on steroids or somebody's not, if they believe there aren't the persons on steroids, there's nothing that person can do to prove that they're not on steroids.

Because if you do a drug test, Dre, all that happened is that if you pass you cycled off you know you used to use in the past when you play football but you just cycled off or you know he used drugs but the muscle he has now even if he's natural the one reason he has that muscle is because he used drugs in the past like there's always there's always a rationale for why you're on so there's no reason to even try to defend it but the funny thing is like when we were talking about this guy liver king King, I mean, I came to the conclusion that I don't know. Cause you know, like, I just don't know, but people want you to pick a side. People want you to say he's on drugs or people want you to say he's not, they want you to pick a side. But the thing is like, we don't know. These are just assumptions that we have about people and

people have assumptions about you. They do. It's done. And that's the thing. Like, I have this funny story. I had a guy on Instagram. People troll sometimes. Yeah.

A guy, he said something. I forget what he said. He was talking about, like, the mobility drills I use. And he said I use, like, baby oil. And he was like, I'm like, he said I'm a reject trainer. So he's just so happy to be a trainer. So I was like, okay, you took the time to go on my page and analyze what I do and who you think I am by just looking at me. So I'm going to return you the favor.

I'll go do the same. I go to his page. Obviously, it didn't take much time to figure out he trains as well. And I was going back to say something to him, but he blocked me. I think he knew that when I went on his page, what I was going to say, but I'm like, you can't do that because me, I was just returning the favor to him being a jackass. And I think you're a trainer because of boom, because of how you look.

And I could have like shamed him, but then I would have been a bully. Yeah. I mean, so like, it's just, because of how you look. And I could have like shamed him, but then I would have been a bully. Yeah. I mean, so like, it's just, it's a losing battle. I don't understand when trainers do that. Cause like trainers will do that to my shit too. Like the second I put out any like little bit of information, they will try to talk a lot of shit about it. And I'm just like,

this is the most interesting way to try to gain clients to come off as a complete dickhead. Like no one's going to see that and be like, be like oh you know what i want to pay that guy oh my god that's like the biggest thing i was like imagine trying to sell positivity by being negative to someone towards someone else exactly like what it's like it's like i'm not gonna want to work with you because you showed me like this guy's not worth working with. It's like, it doesn't make any sense. It's like, if I'm shopping trainers online

and I go on your page and you're bashing other people, then what do you think about me? Because I need your help. You know what I mean? Dre, where it's coming from is the guy's girlfriend

is excited by your page and he's got to throw that hate out there. Look at the way this guy moves his hips. I'm like, damn. Y'all be surprised. I get a lot of hate in the kettlebell world. I don't think they like me. and he's got to throw that hate out there look at the way this guy moves his head so like damn y'all be surprised i get a lot of hate in the kettlebell world i don't think they like me which is fine because it's you come into like anything they have a culture or something in the way things is done and someone comes in and they're different and they get a lot of attention

because what they bring to the table is new of course you're gonna hate it and you spend time trying to show people why it's unethical or why but the people that are bought into it they're bought into it for a reason honestly fuck the culture you're disrupting it right yeah you're the glitch in the matrix right now and you see a lot of i see more people copying what i do than anything which i think is great Like whatever. But it's because I don't, I think I, what I brought to the table and how I did it is when people see it, they'm like, Oh,

I seen this first with Dre. So it's like, I don't need to like do it because I'm so out of, I don't know what I do. It was like, when you see it, you know, like that's who it comes from.

So it's fine. Goddamn. Like Rogan knows a lot of kettlebell people, but you're the guy that he mentioned on his podcast three different times. He scanned it different. I fucking scan your page for movements, bro. I'm just like, what did Drake come up with?

I screen capture some of your shit. I'm like, I'm going to try that. How come I don't look like him? I'm like, what the fuck, man? Take more shit. I was going to say, you're on different stuff. I'm like, that looks simple enough. And I'm like trying it stuff I'm like that looks simple enough and I'm like

trying to contort myself that's not working I mean you spend enough time you'll get it I'm telling you you'll get it you spend enough time with it

and just have fun with it that's all it is meat and fruit you mentioned meat and fruit I'm like I'm big on steak like I cook steak

six to eight pounds a week of like grass fed damn ribeyes guy's not fucking to eight pounds a week of like grass fed rib eyes guys not fucking around yeah i that's a lot of kiwis i do a lot of kiwis we're gonna get you set up with a bunch of pied montes steaks yeah your brother was telling me about those he was telling me about that we'll get you back and i i so much me i just love it because i wake up and i feel energetic and like as of recent i've been doing the cold showers and the cold plunge. And for me, it became more mental. Every day I take a cold shower.

And when I come out, I feel like I'm a new person. So my thing is now when I go in, whoever I come out as, someone different. I love that. Different mindset. So I get in the cold tub and come out fresh, ready to. Hey, and who the fuck cares what it does scientifically, right? Exactly. it feels good i love it you like it i love it i love it do you do it post workout like no no i do i do it in the morning first thing in the morning so first thing in the morning is like when i wake up nice like i need the awakening so it's like it works

yeah it feels good and i've been doing it for like the last six months i feel great you turn into a bitch sometimes or you're pretty good with it? I'm pretty good with it now. I'm pretty good with it. I used to do them in college a little bit, but I'm pretty good with it now. You do them every day. You get used to it. Every once in a while, it's like that voice in your head is like, that's going to be really cold.

That voice is every day for me. That voice is every day. But with the meat and fruit that you said you've been doing for your nutrition, how long have you been doing that? Was there a time that you made a transition? I transitioned to it, I would think. I've read this book. It was called, what is it called? I forget.

But it was like in the beginning of COVID. He talked about how not only like storing food and all that. I don't do frozen food in the sense of when I get the food, it's probably already been frozen multiple times. He talked about eating food as close as it was to being alive. So buy everything fresh. And I cook it within that two- to three-day window because once I started doing that, I felt like I got leaner. I felt healthier.

I felt like cleaner energy. So I just kept doing it. Mind you, it's expensive as fuck to always eat like fresh stuff like but and not to be able to store stuff like i don't freeze meat so imagine i'm buying steak i gotta cook it within that two three day window because in my mind it's already been frozen like two or three times so it's like i don't want mind you there's no science to back it it's just based off feeling i feel like i'm in a better position as far as like energy wise my physique everything strength eating the meat the way i do

it so i buy it cook it within that day i cook all my meals like i used to meal prep because i used to be time wise i had no time but now i cook every single meal like that day yeah because i feel like it's better that way i see yeah you so you cook it right away and then does it is is it sit in your fridge for a little bit too or no you no i cook you cook it eat it okay every time which require a lot you gotta have a lot of time on your hand like i got i got so i train it i got sessions in the morning but i got some a lot of online work i do with like my programming stuff like two three times a day i eat like two big meals i'll do like a meal in the morning i I'll do a meal.

I like the two meals. Like you eat two meals that are around like 1,800 calories. It's pretty solid. But I also like fasting because I believe the body should have a time to like process without you filling it with food and like water. So I do that like on average. I like to eat between 11 and 5. So Saturday morning, you said like sometimes you go on a run. Is that fasted?

You believe it or not, a lot of my lifts are fasted. Yeah. I like lifting fasted. Same. Unless I'm going to be indulging. Do you consider it to be fasted if you ate in the morning, but it's like way later in the day? Or is it like fasted fasted? No, it's like fasted.

Like I didn't have nothing on my stomach. Didn't eat anything for the whole day. Okay. Because sometimes my workouts happen in the morning and I don't eat until noon, no matter what day it is. That's just how I operate. Yeah. It's just, I feel better that way.

What about caffeine? I like coffee. I drink a lot of coffee. So not fasted without coffee. I drink coffee sometimes. He's got some caveman coffee right now. Try some of that Mind Bullet, man. Oh, yeah.

I'm still scared. That's been sitting there. I'm still scared. Do half or something. Just a little sippy poo. But'm like i'm like a coffee coffee is one of those things that i don't care how much science they bring out about how bad i'm not gonna stop i have not heard one bad thing from about coffee but i was into that for a while like anything that i would read about or learn about that was like like I forget what it was

it's like four years ago I read like masturbating was bad for muscle you lose muscle you're like I'm done oh I was done I was done

I was done I was done I was done let me do this a couple more times I was done I was like you killing my muscle girl

I'm done I'm out I'm out but I'm out. But that's how the internet gets you. You read something and they give you a little bit of science on it. Dog. It'll make you pull out. They did a recent study to show that it increases.

No, I'm just kidding. His eyes are all lightened up. He's like, really? Man. Ain't nothing wrong with masturbating. I mean, it's just studies out there. So the diet is primarily meat and fruits or like uh i don't know just i mean you mentioned being lactose intolerant so i doubt like a pizza comes in the

middle of that or something and i i what was it like a month or two months ago i had randomly i was like i forget what it was i think it was the final so i was like i'm gonna have a pizza and i thought i was like dying like my because i don't eat food like that when i do my body's like get this out now do it it's like it like tears itself up trying to get rid of it because that's there's like years and years of not having that type of stuff so you introduce it to your body it's like it's poison i mean essentially in some ways it is poison but your body treats it that way. So it's like, get it out now.

So I get sick. Like, my stomach was, like, turning inside out trying to get the food out. Yeah. Yeah, so it makes it unappealing, so I really don't do it. Like, I would want to be able to eat stuff, like, that I find, like, mentally pleasure sometimes, but I know how sick I'm going to get. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's like, oh, it's not worth it. It is funny when like, I've noticed this too.

I don't eat nearly as much like processed foods like Oreos or Doritos or whatever, like I did in the past when I was younger. And if I ever do have some of that stuff nowadays, I just don't feel, I feel tired, feel lethargic. My shit's weird for like the next two shits. I feel tired, I feel lethargic, my shit's weird for the next two shits. It's just like you realize how bad that food was for you when you finally get off of eating it a lot. Dude, there's a lot of wiping involved when you eat weird food.

Yeah. The cleanup is tough. Yeah. What I noticed the other day, because I've been pretty straightforward on my diet, like fairly low-carb know you know lots of protein but like i had um remember a long time ago i talked about like those like super good breaded like chicken pieces from costco they're just like frozen you cook them they come out super good i was like oh let me just i haven't had that in a long time let me eat those dude i was starving the whole day like i ate a lot of chicken but i was like dude i'm fucking like i'm dying over here i need more food but it's because i wasn't used to that extra processed like breading on it and like i just could not get full

yeah and i was like damn could you imagine doing this every day with every meal you know and that's and that's why i don't understand how more people don't start to explore like the way they eat because if it's not it doesn't make you feel then when you i think that's they think that's how they supposed to feel you know there's an aspect of it that when you get used to eating a certain way, the way you feel is like that's normal. So you don't necessarily – partially there's an aspect where you don't know how bad you feel because you don't know how good you could feel. So it's normal. But then also your body is used to this. This is this is what I eat. This is this is food. That's why the whole like, you know, the if it fits your macros thing is beneficial in a way because it doesn't take away potentially the things that people really hate. But it allows for some freedom to fit certain things in. But it yeah, it doesn't demonize certain foods foods which for some people mentally fucks with them you know what i mean and i get that and i and i that's why i

don't i don't talk about food a lot because if people hear me talk about food a lot they'll think i'm like they'll probably call me narcissism like an ass i think it's pretty black and white it's good for your body or it's not yeah but i don't say that to other people because i know that's just how i see it like i some people want to enjoy food but i enjoy eating ribeyes and kiwi every day it's just good but that's what i enjoy i know other people want to enjoy so i don't preach that to people i don't want people to think oh he's trying to get people to eat this way he's not i just don't get into it so i don't really talk diet as well i tell people this is what i eat this is what works for me. Like, it may not work for you.

Like, people think, like, oh, I can't. I did a, when I started eating steak, I went, like, a full year, like, six weeks. No, six, like, six to eight pounds a week. And then I went to the doctor to get my numerous stuff tested because people, you get the people, oh, you have blood pressure, cholesterol. My numbers were fine because I was trying to tell them, I was like, oh, it's because I don't eat all the processed carbs and processed sugar. If you combine that in and you eat steak the way I do, you're in trouble. You're in some deep trouble. But if you eat the way I do and you exercise the way I do and the way you live your life,

you can eat as much steak as you want. Yeah. But if you're having those times, you're drinking, you don't, then obviously you can't do it because it's not going to be healthy for you. Because your body is not going to be healthy enough to break down that steak the way it's supposed to because you don't give it everything else it needs. Yeah. So you're going to compromise your organs. You're going to get sick. No question.

So, yeah. Then you can't. yeah so you're going to compromise your organs you're going to get sick no no question so yeah then you can't that's why i don't preach it because people start eating steak the way i do and they eat the way they do then they're in trouble so i mean i just keep quiet on a diet piece because i know like what i do works for me and it won't work for everybody people are really ruled by their gut you know they get used to certain foods and their body kind of cries out for those foods their taste buds cries out for those foods their taste buds cry out for those foods and when they eat those foods it kind of like quote-unquote works yeah but much like an alcoholic if if you had someone that was in that position you'd be like

bro this is the last thing that you need like this isn't going to work the way that you think it's going to work like remember when you blacked out remember when this happened it's real easy to point that out with like drugs or alcohol but harder harder to do so when it comes to food. And I believe a lot like you believe. You really believe in kettlebells a lot. And you mentioned earlier, you were like, I think they're kind of for everybody. I think there is a way to eat for humans. And I think that meat works for everybody.

Now, how much meat and how much intervention of other foods can be in there, I think that's up for people to decide themselves and to get comfortable with what fits their day-to-day and what fits their mindset and all that kind of stuff. But I do think that it's pretty obvious meat is digestible for everybody. There's like some weird cases of like someone who got bit by like a Lone Star tick or something like that, where they have a meat allergy, like a red meat allergy. But meat in general, meat and eggs, or sometimes eggs, people are allergic to as well. But normally with meat, people can find a particular kind of meat that they can eat. And when it comes to fruits and vegetables, normally people can find some type of fruit, some type of vegetables that they can eat. And when it comes to rice and vegetables, normally people can find some type of fruit, some type of vegetables that they can eat.

And when it comes to rice or potatoes, a lot of times people can find rice and potatoes that they can eat, like these natural foods that were meant for us to eat. It just turns out that they can be very difficult to overeat on. And if we start to add processed stuff to that, it just happens to be that it makes it super easy to start to overeat all that stuff. If we take steak, which is amazing, uh, we chop it up and we throw some teriyaki sauce on there and we throw some rice in there. Now you ended up with something that's going to be really easy to overeat your calories on and something that may not fill you up quite as much as primarily just focusing in on the steak and the rice with some salt. Exactly. And that's why I try to tell people mostly is when you eat, just pay attention to how you feel. Like how you feel during your everyday life.

Like just pay attention to how the food makes you feel. And the books, the one book that I did read just talked about how we got so far away from how they started and, like, how they ate. Like, that's where the refrigerator thing came from. They didn't have refrigerators back in the day. Like, way back when. So, storing food wasn't a thing. You had to cook it. You had to eat it.

I mean, you hunt, you eat. So, like, all these—and now I'm, like, big on, like, I don't want to eat anything that was created after 19 such and such this food wasn't here and it was like man-made come on you know how then why would we eat it but I get it like the mass consumption of like food like if we always just wanted to grow stuff everything was grown and like grass fed it just wouldn't be possible like there's too many humans in the world like they had to start like creating stuff or they just didn't want to pay the farmers to do it or whatever the reason was like they needed to make more money and subsidize like corn exactly exactly so they can't they ran into those issues but doesn't mean i have to eat it right and i just choose not to and i find it costs me more money but i'm healthier

because it like i'm only one of those people that don't think unless you have like a pre-existing conditioning or like you're not in a predicament where you can pay a big medical bill if you get sick i don't i'm like truly not into like the whole health care thing i think it's more of a scam but that's just me because like if i'm doing taking the precaution steps to be healthy and live a healthy lifestyle working out being active i have no pre-existing conditionings conditions for nothing then what do i need health care for i go to the doctor once every two years they tell me what i know i'm healthy isn't any surprises no all right there's surprises all right let's address it so i'm one of those people so it

just ends up being like what's the point that's true let me ask you this man um do you because you mentioned like 1800 calorie meals did you ever used to track and do you track currently or do you now just like eat to satiation uh i i think i used to track when i was in college but i don't track i like i call what i what we call a guesstimate like I eat the same stuff so much like I kind of have an idea how much I'm eating yeah I don't really know but I kind of think I'm in that like 3200 calorie range most days like some days I may go over yeah but I don't know to a tee but I eat the same stuff and you every time you eat what the food you eat because you eat meat and fruit do you ever have like cravings to eat more or do you like –

So you don't. So that's what I found with the steak and like the – with the salt piece of that. When you don't eat – when you eat so much of like red meat, you don't crave anything but red meat. like I'm like so uninterested in like eating chicken and eating fish because of how good red meat is

and like what it does for me physically physically mentally and like how I feel so I'm like I like get addicted to it

which is I think fine because it's healthy but you don't like I'm telling you there's days where I'll eat steak three or four times

it's just like I just want steak like I don't want anything else but steak. And for the sugar piece of it, like, people get sugar cravings. Obviously, sugar cravings is from not having enough carbs in your body. But I eat, like, I snack on kiwis all day. Yeah.

So, kiwis are your go-to. Any other fruit that you dig? I recently got into mango. Mango. I tried the pineapple thing, but, like, I ate too much. So, whatever I do, I do. Whatever I do, I do, but like I ate too much. So whatever I do, I do. Whatever I do, I do like I overdo it. Like when I eat steak, I'll eat 32 ounces of steak like in one sitting.

That's just how I operate. So the pineapple, I was like two whole pineapples in two days. Mind you, I was new to pineapple, so I didn't know it like eats through you as well. So I had like cuts of like the burns through the sides of my mouth and like my tongue was like scarred up yeah so i'm done with pineapple so it's pretty simple if you burn me i'm done i'm done i'm done so i don't do pineapple anymore yeah i've been on the kiwis and i do the steak i do i like oatmeal i'll do oatmeal some days yeah mainly drink water water water coffee electrolytes uh not really just throw salt on stuff you get electrolytes from your fruit

yeah i do i do a lot i drink um i well i take my vitamins i'm big on my vitamins like i do like i love a lot i take magnesium oh there you go vitamins are slang for trend you gotta be careful with that you be so this is a crazy thing for a while I wouldn't even

because I was so scared I didn't know I don't know much about steroids who knows something about something they're not interested in so I wouldn't even

take pre-workout because I thought this might have steroids in it I wouldn't take I wouldn't take the good old days I was like

there's steroids in like any supplement i thought i was like they put steroids in it they actually in some they have put like some shit in certain supplements in the past and even currently we're putting it in our supplements within you brand that's how they get saved on some steroids yeah promo code power project 10 save 10 off within your supplements you might get so yeah you might be lucky to get the batch that's got steroids exactly because i mean you heard some people like well i took this pre-workout of this protein and i got swole it's because there was some shit in that i got hella acne

my dick doesn't get hard anymore but i got swole seems like that stuff scared me so like i wouldn't touch it it's like maybe i am taking steroids i don don't know. So I wouldn't do it. Dre, did you gain 15 pounds in the past month? I don't know, bro. It's this new pre-workout. It's just this protein. It's crazy. So I just, I don't.

So I do the vitamins. I take my vitamins. Just, I don't think I need them. But it's for me, it's like, oh, if I do, then I'll just take them. There's a website that somebody put put out years ago and it's called ruled.me and it's it's a low it's a lower carb uh way of living and it has recipes and stuff like that and i always thought i was like i was like it's kind of hard to say like what what a weird name for a site but then i read the description of why the site is called that and it talked about

food uh ruling people and this guy was really, lost like 150 pounds or 100 pounds or something like that. And he has got a great story. But I was like, the food does rule us. And as I started kind of researching nutrition and looking more at the different diets and things like that that were out there, there was a bunch of different people that were just talking about how the big food companies, they really rule us. And they do. And when you're somebody that is purchasing, I mean, you know, in this day and age where people are cautious and they're paying attention more as to where they're putting their dollars

and they don't want to put their dollars towards, you know, certain farming practices and certain things, right? I think that that's something that people should really look at. People should really look at where are you putting your dollars? Are you really putting your dollars towards Doritos? Are you really putting your money into Pepsi, into Coke? I mean, this might assist people with even getting away from some of the other types of sodas that are

you know sugar-free that that have like you know artificial sweeteners or whatever in them just because it's like i don't really want to fucking participate in anything that company's doing and i know it's hard because you know pepsi i think they own like the sani and they fucking own a lot of shit but when you primarily are eating meat and primarily eating fruit, hopefully you're keeping your dollars away from that. And imagine if more and more Americans did that, how much healthier we would be and how much we could help our own health care system. Because less of us would be fucking sick. But I think – and that's like me. I'm like a big conspiracy person when it comes to like health care and stuff.

I think it's all designed that way. Like it's designed for these products and stuff. you go to the candy i mean you go you leave a store you got candy as you go out i mean it's it's easier it's cheaper for you to buy something unhealthy it is than buy something healthy i mean there's a there's a concept in that like it's because i want you to buy the unhealthy thing because what does that lead to i mean that's just me and how i think otherwise why would it be pushed so hard why would it be so much of it why like what's the point money like I'm one of those people I think like why do you label things organic everything should be organic you should label unorganic stuff so I know like oh this was

man-made in the factory like this probably not gonna be good for me like i don't understand like why yeah it's interesting i kind of have always wondered like will we ever get there you know like with cigarettes right like sometimes when you see someone smoke like obviously we go to different country things are different but here in the us you see someone smoke you're like man people still do that uh you know hopefully like i i kind of actually recognize this i see somebody with like a regular sprite or a regular like coke or something i'm like why the why in the fuck would anybody do that like because now there's at least there's other options with the sugar-free drinks

the coke zeros and stuff like that but i see that and i'm like first of all why are you drinking that secondly why in the fuck is your kid drinking that? What are you doing, man? That's another topic. It's just wild. And it's probably just a simple lack of knowledge. And I think that's what it is. It honestly is. Because I was talking to my girlfriend and one of my buddies about it.

I'm like, why do people feed their kids? Why do you think it's okay to feed your kids something because they you they've labeled this a kid's say they have a hard time With their diet because of their kids. Yeah, they're like your kid drive to the fucking grocery store and buys cheese It's because this is you train the society has created what they call like, oh, that's a kid's meal Like so what's the kids know? What do you mean like? That like chicken nuggets fish sticks you need that little mother fakers and liver Like why do you think that's that's kids food your kids should be eating what you're eating no why not their bodies like yours you want them to grow and be healthy they grow up with a weird interpretation of food my parents are always trying to lose weight they're on this keto diet

that's a weird thing yeah that's i mean i just me personally when i have kids my kids will eat the way i eat they won't be introduced into i don't think I'm going to deprive them of stuff. But they're going to know fun for what I think fun is. So they're going to think fruit is fun. Exactly. They're not going to think a snicker bar is fun. Until they come home from their friend's house after eating some fucking cupcakes. And that's the problem.

That's the problem. But that will be. It'll be fine. Every now and then won't be an issue, but it won't be like the basis of their diet. That's where my issue becomes. And it's like, but I do understand the aspect of being a parent, not having time. And you got to do sometimes what you got to do to be quick on your feet. You do have time, though, and it takes longer.

It does. It takes longer to have kids that act like assholes. It does. And your kids will act like assholes and not eating properly. They really do. What I had said yesterday, because, you know, like my son's one and a half. He eats what we eat. I keep sugar away from him completely.

People think that we're a little crazy. But I'm like, if I'm eating something that I shouldn't be eating, he'll call me out on it. So, like, let's just say, like, we go to In-N-Out and I'll get fries. And if he wants fries, I'm like, if I give give it to him i'm not giving it to him for him i'll give i'm giving it to him because i don't want to hear him cry anymore so i'm doing it for myself i'm being extra selfish by giving it to him so what i said same thing with like sweets everything all of the above is like like no like i'm gonna be an asshole right now for him you know like i'm doing this for him because i'm gonna give him a chance i for him you know like i'm doing this for him because i'm

gonna give him a chance i had mentioned on a podcast recently like he's fairly carnivore he doesn't really eat carbs or anything but by doing that it's keeping him in the top one percent of like kids his age right like he's not gonna he's not gonna have to worry about diet because we normalize what we normally it's gonna be normal for him to eat steak every day like it's not gonna be weird that he doesn't get chicken nuggets or order shit off of the kids meal which is complete dog shit like i talk about that on the podcast a lot going to spaghetti factory the kids menu has zero protein on the menu oh really it's all noodles it's all noodles and some sort of sauce that's all it is there's no chicken There's no meat of any kind of meat sauce.

I've been to places where the kid's menu has like chicken fingers and French fries. Right. Yeah, absolutely. It's like they need two things of fried food. What the fuck's going on here? Yeah. But my thing is why introduce it when you're eventually going to take it away? Because what happens when the kid gets to the point where they're maybe feeling,

you know, they may be a little, my kid's a little overweight. Now you've got to take it away from them. And how does that work? You're trying to take something from somebody, a child, they don't understand the concept of why I can't have this. But you should have never told them why they could have it. Yeah, you're messed up because I messed up. Exactly.

You know, didn't Jess, a friend of mark's and a friend of ours too his name's jesse burdick when he came on the podcast he talked about his daughters and the way they eat because you know sometimes and we found multiple people that have mentioned this but you know a kid is gonna go see go to their friend's house a kid's gonna have an opportunity to go somewhere else where friends are having cookies or whatever but i I think it was Jesse who mentioned that his daughters came home and they're like, yeah, I had some of this stuff. It was just too sweet. Like it was just, you know, if a kid is used to eating real food and it's good, real food, when they go out and they have this really just packed with sugar, packed with like just a lot of shit stuff, they'll come back and that's not

normal for them. They'll realize, oh, this is, this is stuff, they'll come back and that's not normal for them. They'll realize, oh, this is too much here. There's too much going on here. And even for myself, I've noticed this when I change the way I ate over the years. When I go back and eat some of that shit, it's just too much. Do you know where your keys are? We've got to move our cars. Apparently, they're painting the building.

Well, we're going to wrap this up in just a few minutes. Okay. I know where his keys are are I saw them on the desk I can just run and go move and you guys keep going? I think we're good I don't think it's a fucking emergency Apparently it is Maybe it is

They didn't even put a sign up to say We can't park there I'll move my car real quick y'all keep going okay i'll be right back yeah all right well me and dre will talk my car doesn't need to be moved or someone else moved it probably so how's your list been going you can't move my car without my phone because that's the only key i have for my phone but maybe i don't need to move it lifts are going good man i feel good i feel great like i i'm not um my goals have changed so um you know everything's like everything's like a little bit of like a moving target is the way that i look at

it i'm i'm uh i'm doing what i can do and simultaneously i'm trying to fix what i can fix so i have a skill set with certain things that i can do certain things that give me quick workouts that are efficient. So again, like going back to the machines, I can use the cables in the gym. I can do like lat pulldowns and I can do seated rows and I can get some good muscle activation from some of those movements. So when I keep those in at the moment, while I'm still pretty inefficient at some of these other movements because it's harder for me to have really good workouts.

Obviously, if you put me through something, you're trained enough and you know enough and you worked with enough people to where you can just obliterate me and put me through a really good workout that stimulates me but doesn't leave me like for dead, right? For now, for me, like when I'm trying some of your stuff off of IG and stuff like that, it's so experimental that it's kind of tough for me to get a good workout in. So that's why I'm kind of blending things together. And the workouts have been awesome. I'm doing a lot more twisting, a lot more rotational stuff. Running is still pretty new to me. You know, I've probably been messing around with running for like the last two years or so, but taking it a lot more seriously in the last like six months. And what's cool about it is like, I felt like I was coming from so far back that I

consistently get better at it without a ton of, I do think about it. I am interested in it. I am working on it. I am working on mobility and stuff. But I'm just getting better at it because I'm just doing it. And that's fun to me because that's what lifting used to be for me when I started when I was younger. I would lift and, yeah, I would think about the form and technique and I'd think about these different methods and stuff. But it was just like, hey, man, be consistent with it. Keep lifting. Add resistance when you can. Try to stay safe safe and i just kept getting stronger and stronger so now i'm kind of feeling like i did when

i was just first getting started and that's what i was telling you i feel like the kettlebells have done for me i always find something that i want to be better at so. So it's never about how heavy I can go. It's about how much better can this movement look? How much smoother can I keep my foot planted when I transfer from one side to another? Am I getting all the muscles engaged the way I... So like you say, you never really run out of things to get better at. Like are you always going to have something to pursue as far as move? If you all, the focus is movement.

You always will find a better way to move. So that's why I love pursuing it that way because it never ends. And you always, you find one little issue. Like with me, like as of late, I found out, like, I didn't find out. I noticed my anterior tibialis is not as strong as the rest. So I've been working that. And it's been a forever ending. It's been like six weeks, and I'm still working at it.

And I still feel like it's not as strong. But I'm going to continue to work that. And by the end of it, I'm going to find something else that I need to work on. Like, I already know, like, I want to work on my growing and be stronger. And that's what that one movie we were doing earlier was about. I added that in for a client, but i noticed that i had the same issue so i started exploring it for myself so i'm always going to be finding little tweaks and smaller muscles that need to be stronger and you find it when you do the big lifts and you go back and do the big lifts they

just move a lot fluently and when you watch your own stuff back i mean that's the beauty of recording stuff when you watch it back you can say I mean, that's the beauty of recording stuff. When you watch it back, you can say, oh shit, I didn't really realize it was moving that way. I could do way better. Next time I do that, I'm going to try it this way. Yeah, and that's what I love about it. It's just always something that can be better.

And if you're excited to do it and you can make it fun, it will never stop. And that's what I've been getting back from people with the kettlebells it's so different from what i've been usually doing like i'm actually it's different all the time because if i'm that's why i say i use the movement pattern as a way to program because i'm just implementing movements that's a pull or that's a push it's not always the same movement but they're similar yeah so it's different but we're working the same muscle and it's not always the same movement but they're similar yeah so it's different but we're

working the same muscle and it's not always about that one rep but we're still training this muscle so you can switch it yeah i'm actually curious about this because like when it comes to certain movements in the gym like deadlifts a lot of people find that okay i injured my back like it's a common injury over time, right? For you or maybe when you've seen people working out, and it's not that you can totally avoid injury, but for you, is there any type of thing that like this got re-injured again or this is bothering again with your type of training or because everything's working together, you're strengthening your core, stabilizers, all of that, do you tend to have less injuries than you used to when you were focused on specifically barbell and dumbbell training? I've had one injury since I've been doing kettlebells, and it wasn't even related to kettlebells. One injury in four years? That's not bad. It wasn't even related to kettlebells.

I started in a black football league. Oh, shit. And I had been playing for a while, but there's a reason why I stopped playing football. Because I can't, unless I'm playing for real, I can't play. How passionate and how serious am I? I'm playing flag football with people that

are not football players, but I'm a football player. I've run, but I hadn't been sprinting. You know if you haven't been sprinting, you just can't go out and sprint. Yeah. So I tweak my hands a little bit. But I've been working on it, and it's better now.

So I'm back sprinting again because now I'm sprinting a lot. But I hadn't been sprinting, and I just went out there, and I'm like, all right, nobody's fastening me. So I'm just outrunning everybody. And I did. But it's like I haven't been running. So and I just went out there, and I'm like, all right, nobody's faster than me, so I'm just outrunning everybody. And I did, but it was like I haven't been running, so obviously I was going to tweak something. Yeah. So that's why that happened. Here's the key question.

When you slightly tweaked your hamstring, did you just play it off and keep playing and kind of just get a little limp on the one side, or did you have to actually stop? Oh, I kept playing. Of course. It wasn't tweaked enough that I couldn't play. I still was 100 times better than everybody else. I still kicked all their asses. It's so embarrassing, right? Yeah, I was fine.

It was fine. Yeah, no one needs to know about this. Especially somebody, they see, oh, you trained with all this mobility. You shouldn't ever get hurt, which is true. I'm so movement-focused that I should never get hurt unless I'm being i'm i'm training i'm so movement focused that i should never get hurt unless i'm being an idiot yeah and i was being an idiot okay i got a third degree sprain of my ankle it would have been just a whole lot better off if i just snapped it completely when i was a professional wrestler and it happened like i was like five seconds into doing something with somebody and it happened fucking right away.

Damn. And, uh, it was like this whole like tryout for like WWE. And it was actually at like an arena, um, in, in Los Angeles.

So it was like before a TV taping of like SmackDown and shit. And like, uh, Shane McMahon, Vince McMahon's son is there like watching this shit. So it's like, I just played it off and just got through everything. But when I got back to the locker room, my was so swollen like i was wearing like a boot you know

and i pull my fucking shoe off and look at my foot and i was like i was like holy fuck and i'm like how because like i can't leave either because like that's kind of part of the way that the thing everything works is you stay there for the whole show i got invited to it which is like a huge honor and so like now i gotta stay there but i'm like how am i gonna be like walking around in the back without like you know limping it all yeah limping around so i just gritted my teeth the whole time and tried to walk as the best i could yeah i mean that's how it is sometimes but that's again that's what we were taught we weren't taught to like, sit out on the injury. Like, in my household, I couldn't get hurt.

Like, my dad coached me when I would play youth football, but there's no such thing as being hurt. And there was times I was actually hurt. But it doesn't matter. Shake it off. Play. I mean, that's what we were taught. There's that scene from the program,

are you hurt or are you injured? And the guy's like, he's like, I think I'm just hurt. He's like, well, then get the fuck up. Damn. That's so bad. But again, as we got older, we learned the correct way. Yeah, instead of, hey, you should sit down just for a couple plays so we could see what's going on.

Yeah, let's make sure nothing really horrible is going to happen. Do you try to get some of your clients into some more minimalist shoes? Because I feel like with like some of the diet stuff, you know, when somebody is like, I just like enjoying my food. They want to lean more into the cushy good food. It's kind of feels like the same thing with the shoes. Yeah, with the shoes, I definitely do. I push. I mean, I'm pretty much got all of them in Vivos by now.

Okay. I mean, I pretty much got all of them in Vivos by now. Okay. I push Vivos, like, heavy when it comes to that because more likely than anything, more people have more foot and ankle issues than anything. I mean, that's where everything stems from, bad feet, bad ankles. So if we can address that right away by just changing your shoes and doing more stuff, then it helps. Because you see people, it's like, people, like, outside of, like, you don't play sports. Why are you walking around with three-inch thick shoes, soles?

Like for what? You're not doing anything but separating your foot from the ground. Now you don't know how to use your toes and your foot. Use your foot as a foot instead of as separate. Like you just do this. And most people use their foot like this. That's not how it operates. Or it's not supposed to.

But they don't know that. You got women that wear heels or different types of shoes like the dress shoes and they just don't know any better so you just gotta like retrain it and a lot of movement quality gets better just from doing that how long have you been wearing barefoot shoes because you were mentioning like you like running that way too but how long have you been using barefoot shoes and how was the transition for you? Did you have any type of foot issues or was it pretty smooth? I definitely have foot issues. I got flat feet.

I was told I have flat feet too. I got flat feet. So, I mean, I've always had this, but it was always the sneakers that I wore. I mean, football cleats. Oh, yeah, dude. And I always got my ankles taped. So my ankles weren't getting stronger. They were just wrapped.

So I've always had the ankle foot problem. I had to do that with soccer too. I totally, you just reminded me about that. Yeah, I just got my ankles taped whenever I played. All the time. And then you got your ankles taped, and then you got your foot stuffed in a cleat that's tight. So it's nothing.

But there's no really cleat that's designed for you to actually have that toe spread. Yeah. Maybe they'll figure something out later. But, like, that's why you spend. But I was barefoot for a while. Like, I was just training socks. Because I figured out, like, that felt better than shoes.

I didn't know why. But, like, mentally, I was like, oh, this feels better. But then I started, like, research why and, like, get into it. And that's why I got into the barefoot. Like, I walk around barefoot, like, every day. Yeah. Shoes. Like, these just what I wear. Uh-huh. Are you paying attention to your feet when you're doing

some of these drills? Because like it looks like to me like when you're doing these movements that you are conscious of what you're doing with your feet. Gotta be. You have to be. Because a lot of times the way your foot is playing it matters. Especially when you're spinning and you're turning. Yeah. How your like big toe is is planted, how much pressure you got to be. And that's what I try to get my clients to focus on because you have somebody do an exercise. You're like, where did you feel it? I don't know. All right, do it again.

I'm going to tell you where you should feel it and then let me know if it's there. And we keep working it until it gets there. That mind-muscle connection is everything for everyone. And that's what 90 percent of people are missing so when you start to pay attention to where you're supposed to feel it and how your foot is supposed to be it starts to make more sense to you especially with kettlebells and a lot of like the flows and stuff i do like how you pick your foot up and how you put it down matters because you got weight in your hands now

yeah i noticed that like uh that like you're intentional on like kind of shoving that knee out. I saw like when you were showing me that movement today, you're shoving your knee out to like where your foot is. You're not allowing the ankle complex to kind of cave in and the knee to cave in. It's really important. I mean you can hurt yourself with anything and we were talking earlier about like right and wrong you know we don't like to get into too much right and wrong but you do want to make sure that you're moving well and that you're not in a compromised position yes and you want to train and people get hurt when your body moves in ways it hasn't moved that's when injuries happen or it gets like like i don't think obviously accidents can happen but i

don't think i can ever step off a curve and tear an acl because the way my knee and my ankle is going to move i've already moved that way it's trained to move the same way exactly under those certain certain conditions the same pressure and everything like it's used to being able to catch myself in these movements because i train that way so it's mostly to being able to catch myself in these movements because I train that way. So it's mostly just being prepared, just everyday life. Are you able to like verbally explain, because it is a podcast forum, with somebody like with low back pain, myself, like some movements that you would recommend? And I know everyone's different, but you know what I mean? Like because maybe I can find it on your page, like a certain movement with the kettlebells that somebody can implement.

Not just, I wouldn't just say it's like a certain movement because I don't know what your back pain stems from, but I, what I feel like a lot of back pain and most stuff stem from is mostly dealing with the hips and the ability of how to use your core or is your lower back just weak or do you not know how to engage your core when it should be engaged and your lower back is taking a lot of pressure? So a lot of half kneeling stuff, teaching you how to really like engage your hips and how to be stationary and use your core is great because there's not much movement, but it's teaching you how to brace

yourself and engage your glutes and how so i would do that a lot of training so like training your upper body while you're in a position of stabilizing your lower body yeah so oftentimes probably the clients don't even know they don't yeah they don't know but if i have you in a half kneeling position i'm training your and i'm training rotation and I'm training anti-rotation, I'm teaching you how to use your core, and now no pressure is on your back. So, of course, your back pain is going to go away. Your core is now working. That makes sense.

So I don't know how to really explain it, but it's just being in certain positions and strengthening those positions, whether it's half-kneeling, laying, being strong in those positions allow you to be able to be more confident in movements and have a stronger core, which is good for your back. The cool thing about what you mentioned, though, is let's think of just the normal seated shoulder press that you're going to see most people do in the gym. Usually they have the back rest up so their back is resting on it. It might be a little bit of curvature, but're just pressing overhead but when you're doing that

half kneeling like i don't know if andrew's about to pull it up this is this one like i like this one he's he's sitting down but he's kind of explaining what you were kind of so a lot of times you see someone do a z press their feet they're out like this what this does is a lot puts your foot in a position when now your hip flexors are they're out like this what this does is a lot put your foot in a position where now your hip flexors are they're involved in this exercise like a lot your lower body your core is engaged everything's engaged which is supposed to be in my opinion but not everybody has the ability to do that so then you got to find ways to put your body in predicaments where it's using the correct muscles yeah and some movements, I mean, they just simply just kind of put a governor on the movement.

So this is like how easy is it for somebody to lift something really heavy that's never done this movement before? It's going to be quite difficult. And therefore, like even if they were to lift, quote, unquote, the wrong way or move in a weird way, they just have like hopefully a light enough kettlebell in their hands where they're not going to hurt themselves i noticed you know in a lot of the videos um which i think is really cool because i think a lot of times kettlebells people are like they just think

like you do nine million reps with them you know and i think sometimes you do that but because you might be going from one thing to the next and you might kind of be doing that for multiple sets or whatever but i've also noticed you use a lot of low repetition like sets of five and stuff like that right yeah so when you once i go up heavier and weight especially when it's something like you're explaining is where it's like a movement that i'm bringing from top to bottom so i'm working a deadlift i'm working i'm working a clean i'm working it's more power focus and explosiveness means more to me than the hypertrophy training of the 10 to 12 so this is why you're getting the lower reps of the five because conditioning you only train you're not only training strength

you're training explosive speed so like you're exerting some energy through that so and you go up and wait you can't do more than three or four or five reps so it's not as effective if you do as many you start to lose the power and then the exercise becomes something that it wasn't meant to be it wasn't meant to be so if you focus solidly on three to four reps and being as powerful as you can in those three to four or five reps you get the most you can out of it and that's how it is with some movements as far as like the cleans and the snatches. But when you get into like more strict lifts, you get into like the split squats, like now you can bang out the 12 reps, the 10 to 12 reps, because now you're in a position where

it's just one movement. But if there's two movements, I like to cut it down to like four to five reps because it's a lot going on. And I want you to be able to maintain that power the whole time. When you work with people, do you sometimes have an opportunity to work with them outside? Yeah. Because, I mean, you can just take a couple kettlebells.

I mean, probably not super convenient, but you can take a couple kettlebells outside to a park or something, right? So when COVID happened, funny, you said that, all I had was one kettlebell. I had two 30-pound dumbbells and one kettlebell. And, no, everybody was scared to train inside. From March, when COVID happened in Boston, when stuff shut down, to, like, September, I trained outside.

Outside, every day. I had, like, five or six clients who would train outside. We had one kettlebell. But that's where the creativity became because I had to address some shit. Like, you only had one kettlebell and a dumbbell. I had to figure out how to give these people a good workout. Still an hour. I'm still charging my same rate of 100 or whatever dollars so i need to make this real life like we're not

missing nothing so that's where a lot of the creativity of how i had to all right now we can focus on movement i don't know when we're gonna be in the gym again so your goals they they didn't have the same neural mind of i need to lose weight. It was more so I just need to move my body. I was like, all right, now we can address all these limitations you got. Yeah.

Because you're not focused on the overall what you used to focus. You're just trying to make sure you're moving now. So that's when I made everything about movement. Because I didn't have much.

Like, we didn't have no barbell. We had no, we couldn't worry about lifting heavy. All we had was a 50-pound kettlebell. So it became more movement focused. And that's why I had to start being creative No barbell. We had no, we couldn't worry about lifting heavy. All we had was a 50 pound kettlebell. Yeah.

So it became more movement focused. And that's why I had to start being creative with myself. And then I got more creative with people. You mentioned you trained, I don't know if you still train people at Equinox, but that, that stopped for you when COVID happened, right? Yeah. How did, like, how did you adjust after that? And then when gyms came back, have, have things changed in terms of the way you do business

and the way you train people do you so i was out of there no no so i worked there i mean you went so when you work there you can't train out like so you can't i was full-time there i worked 40 hours a week training people and it was good but when covid happened i started getting to the instagram stuff and i built a following my reach became more and I was doing less. I still had clients, but I was still training in person. But I was obviously I was making more because I was making more money directly because it was wasn't through a company. But now I was getting passive income through the Internet because now I got people in Germany asking me about like kettlebell or wherever like spain like people hit me up everywhere so like a lot of my time is going into that so it's like i'm doing both so like by the time

gym's open again it was like what am i going back for i'll be making less money and i'm it was no point but like i learned a lot there i learned how to run a business like Like I do, I learned that there, but I learned how to really market myself now. Like I market myself like three or four ways and it's just me. Like I run a company like by myself. Mind you, I probably hire somebody, probably should have a team by now. Yeah.

Because I have an app, I have online coaching, I have my in-person and I have my PDF trainings and they all are managed in all by me. It's just me. So obviously I'm probably stretching myself thin, but I mean, it's good. It works for me, but definitely will hire somebody soon. But it's more work and it's all built around me. So don't hire anybody.

Have someone work for free for a little bit. And that's what I love about it. Internship. It's like how you could build a company just based around you. And I was working for a company and I was making them all this money. And now I just do it for myself. That's sick. So it's great.

It's honestly. Dude, you're doing such a good job with it. It's awesome. Yeah. It's fun. Andrew, take us on out of here, buddy. Sure thing. Thank you, everybody, for checking out today's episode.

Please, please, please let us know what you guys thought about today's conversation down in the comment section below. I want to hear everything you guys have to say. Let us know if you guys are going to start doing some more kettlebell training. And please hit that like button on your way out and subscribe. If you guys are not subscribed, we would sincerely appreciate that as well. And please follow the podcast at MBPowerProject on Instagram, TikTok, and Twitter. My Instagram, TikTok, and Twitter is at IamAndrewZ. and sima where you at come party on discord we're going to be close to 2000 soon so we're at almost 1800 so discord links below community there's popping

at and see my any on instagram and youtube i didn't see my yin yang on tiktok and twitter dray where can people find you and potentially work with you every goddamn dre that's a hell of a handle man on tiktok and instagram youtube is just a dromaze all of it that's it sick how do people get your app what's it called um functional training app it's through my website you can check it out it's mostly it gives people an idea how i train a lot of people most people aren't suited for programs they don't really have program goals so what the app does is give you ability to see how I train. A lot of people, most people aren't suited for programs. They don't really have program goals. So what the app does is give you ability to see how I train. If you like that, you kind of can get to more of the programs.

So a lot of people check the app out. They do workouts. They subscribe for months and they are, I have goals now. I'll get a program that's suited for my goals. Yeah. And they just go from there. Yeah. Well, integrity, Attitude Hustle, I'm sorry, AttitudeHustle.com, link's down in the description and podcast show notes as well. Thank you so much for making the time to come out and see us and I look forward to doing some more stuff in the gym with you today.

We're going to have a good time. I'm at Mark Smelly Bell. Strength is never weakness. Weakness is never strength. Catch you guys later. Bye.