Mark Bell's Power Project - Andrew Huberman Lies About Testosterone? Chael Sonnen Thinks So… || MBPP Ep. 930

Episode Date: May 9, 2023

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you mainly have guys like me you have a guy that is clearly on steroids if i didn't know him i wouldn't think he's on steroids in those terms he's kind of correct like in terms of performance enhancement that's why people choose to go that route versus supplementation now when i talk about shady characters we're now confronted with a new guy named andrew humerman and he's very well spoken now he doesn't say much that's just false i think what he's saying is he's reciting studies and stuff that other people have done. I don't know who to listen to, to be honest with you. So when I watch Huberman go on and tell people how they can up their testosterone fourfold or their growth hormone fourfold, that is not only not true, somebody in his position

would know it's not true. Again, the fourfold thing, because he uses such colorful words all the time, I'm not even sure if I can believe that the fourfold thing is true. You guys think it had any value for someone like The Rock or some of these celebrities to say, yeah, I use some stuff here and there. Proud Prouch family, we usually come to you guys with amazing sound quality, but the first minute of today's episode is a little bit choppy. So please be patient because it's a really good one. Also, if you're watching us on Spotify, you're listening on Apple, it would be amazing if you could leave us a review of the podcast so we can continue to reach more people as that helps the podcast grow.

Enjoy the episode. All right. Well, our boy, Andrew Huberman, he's been kind of under fire from some memes in some various places, and we saw this video from Chael Sonnen, so we'll check this out and see what this is all about. Chael Sonnen, so we'll check this out and see what this is all about. Chael Sonnen. So I'm still looking though, right? And the supplementation space, the do what I do and have the biggest arms in Westland,

like that space has always interested me for one reason. It's filled with liars. Now, for the most part, that's just what that is, right? One of the reasons that so many things at GNC has been painted over the years is there is no regulation on that. Our Food and Drug Administration does not oversee supplements. So now you have snake oil. Stuff that they do regulate and stuff that the FDA does check still gets sold to us in inappropriate ways, in my opinion. All the stuff that you see with the heart healthy stuff, a lot of times there's like a bunch of sugar and a bunch of crap in there cinnamon toast crunch i wonder if cinnamon

toast crunch has the heart healthy label i would imagine so it's a part of a balanced breakfast cholesterol cholesterol right yeah it's a whole grain cereal whole grain is recommended by most fda approved dieticians yo this is bullshit Literally just exploded all of that, by the way, like in five seconds or less. One thing. I used to have like a $20 cap. But I could get one thing. My dad would take me to the store, and every year I wanted to go into GNC. And I would go look around GNC, and whatever guy on the package I deemed to look the best,

and I bought that product. And of course it didn't work. They never worked. They are absolute garbage. But they still exist, and you still have them. look the best and i bought that product and of course it didn't work they never work they're absolute garbage but they still exist and you still have them and like that isn't going to end anytime soon so as i'm snooping around that space you'll generally have somebody like me like i've had forums before that will ask me are you black are you white are you hispanic are you asian i will have to make a box and check it. It says I'm shady. That's what I write.

The kids I like best in life are the ones right outside of the principal's office. But within the space of supplements, which is nothing more than snake oil, you mainly have guys like me. You have a guy that is clearly on steroids. You'll have a guy that might have done a little bit. If I didn't know him, I wouldn't think he's on steroids. So I'm here. The language he's going to be using, because I've seen some of his stuff.

He likes to speak in like these absolutes you have a guy like me that's obviously on steroids he doesn't he looks like he could be totally natural looks very healthy yeah looks very healthy so it's like already putting yourself like someone that absolutely looks like on their steroids also looks really really good i'm not saying he doesn't look good. He's fit, but he doesn't look like someone who I immediately assume he's on drugs unless he told me. And then I'm like, oh, okay. Am I wrong? What do you guys think? Yeah, I agree with that. And then further, I would say like in terms of when he says that none of this stuff works, that it'd be interesting

to learn his definition of how well he thinks a supplement should work. So in comparison to, you know, blasting 400 or 600 milligrams of testosterone, uh, there has not been, uh, uh, over the counter supplement that has really matched that before. Um, so in those terms, he's kind of correct. Like in terms of performance enhancement, that's why people choose to go that route versus supplementation. They don't work that way, but I don't really see, I do agree. Like maybe years ago, it was like, you did see the bodybuilders putting that stuff forward. I think there's enough information out there now to recognize that this

product doesn't equal this result. I do understand that kids can still be swerved that way. But I think, again, there's enough information out there. Chris Bumstead and a lot of these guys, I sell stuff, I'm on stuff. A lot of these guys sell stuff and they also use performance enhancing drugs. Hopefully the audience isn't being like swindled by that, thinking that the whey protein that they're going to have is going to add six pounds of muscle in three months yeah the the whole argument of like none of them work again in comparison to what because in comparison to full-on anabolic steroids

does anything just across all across everything does anything work as good as that? If you say like, oh, well, working out definitely works. Like, oh, you can work out in 12 weeks or so and make a huge difference? Like, well, you can make a difference, but like steroids? Like, no. So then you can't say like, oh, working out doesn't work. Right. Because it obviously does. So like that statement right there is like it's tough and i

know because even exercise you're bringing up a good point because they say that exercise makes up about 10 of your calories so i think some people choose to say fuck it the hell with it because you don't get results you do exercise you do the right things and uh you still aren't notching your calories down enough to really have a noticeable difference. And so people get frustrated. Yeah. That doesn't mean that exercise doesn't work. It just means that it's a slight change over time. Yeah.

So it'd be cool to like kind of get some back and forth and understand like what do you mean by doesn't work? Hope one day we can get Chael on the show. Like even though I'm going to be critical on what some of the stuff he's saying, like it's still cool to have him on the show one day. Definitely. Yeah. Yeah.

It's like one of the best fighters that I've watched in my time. I love his persona too. I like it's still cool to have him on the show one day definitely yeah yeah it's like one of the best fighters that i've watched in my time like i love his persona too i think it's fun bad guy he is a bad guy mean street coffee that's fucking cool time in jail it's one of these things but he's got a good physique and he's got a camera and he can speak the language and all of a sudden you're gonna give his thing a shot on the outside chance that for the first time ever it might work it never does ever not not a maybe not sometimes never now when i talk about shady characters like yours truly we're now confronted with a new guy named andrew humerman and he's not a shady character as a matter of fact he's from stanford and he's very well spoken now he doesn't say much he's one of these guys where he's get the smart in life but

the smartest thing that he does is make a beautiful headline stay very calm talking to a camera and say nothing so i couldn't like encourage you to go and watch one of his videos i've done that i don't know if he's just trying to say that to be mean this is the thing like i've heard certain people say oh yeah i listen to andrew hooverman and i can't listen it's just you know it gets really it makes me feel tired it's heavy but the thing is is if you are truly in paying attention you're not trying to multitask and listen he goes in deep on these topics you got to pay attention though and if now if you're listening passively there are so many big words that are used that like even me when i'm listening to some of his shit i'm like i gotta look that up real quick oh i gotta look that up i don't know what that means but he does

a really good job at usually defining what he's talking about but it is a show that you need to pay attention to so again maybe this is kind of to color some of the things he's about to say but that's just false dog like am i wrong like what do you mean i think maybe what he's saying is like he's not coming up and saying it like like like when you're telling somebody about habits and stuff that you've done your whole life like you're not reading that out of a manuscript i think what he's saying is he's reciting studies and stuff that other people have done it's not not stuff that Andrew Huberman himself, at least as far as I'm just, I'm throwing it out there guessing maybe that's what he's talking about. Like he's just reading off studies and

shit that he's researched. It's nothing that he's necessarily coming up with himself. No, I get what you're saying there. But like, for example, if he talks about something when it comes to sleep, this isn't about like how Andrew Hoopman sleeps. This is like, what does the research say? And then what can you apply from the research? So it's like, yeah, you're going to do a deep dive on studies because that is your show. And then you're going to say, how can I take this study and apply it to my life as an individual? Us here, we talk about the things that we do because we see the benefit. We are all athletes. We are all applying these things and taking what fits and what doesn't. So we tell you guys what we do and what we've seen work for other people.

That's not the same thing Huberman's doing. We're not referencing studies with every single sentence we say because we are applying constantly, right? Plus, we don't have that knowledge either. Yeah, we're not here sitting looking at studies all the time. We bring experts on. We apply and we see what works, right? That's what we like to do. And we perform at a high level. But the thing is, again, it's like to say that, Oh, he's not, I listened to him and he's not saying much. It's like, cause maybe you're not paying attention to

what is being said that does. That's just not true. It doesn't sound like he's had the opportunity to really like sit in the classroom. And that's what Andrew Huberman has done is he created a classroom like environment. Sometimes we have, you know, we've had people on the show before that have created books that have made books for people to read. And sometimes some of those individuals want it to be kind of like a textbook where they want that to be something that could be taught at a university. And other times people want it to be a simple handbook like the book I wrote. The War on Carbs is something you can just pass slide across the table to just about anybody. Really easy to understand.

I think what Huberman's done, he's done the best job in the history of this industry of separating facts from feelings. the history of this industry of separating facts from feelings. And when you look at a bio lane, Lane Norton, he's Lane Norton's done a good job of that too, but Lane Norton says that, but then Lane Norton is a very passionate. And so he gets tied up in the feelings of it too, because then he'll start blasting people Huberman for at least a year straight. And I I'm really proud of the fact that it seemed like a lot of it kicked off by coming on to our podcast and then he really started to go on a tear and I don't remember the order of when he was on Rogan and stuff but and he he's done an amazing job with his own podcast he just went on a tear because I think that he recognized that there was a need

for this he found a niche and I think maybe the stuff that Chael Sonnen has seen has probably just been little short clips and snippets of what Huberman says, but he's giving a lot of context all the time, right? Yeah, Huberman said. He's giving a lot of context every single time to the stuff that he states. So if he says, you know,

eight hours of sleep is the way to go, well, he's got to talk about deep sleep. He's got to talk about REM sleep. He's got to talk about what do you do to get to sleep? What do you do to stay asleep? And you might have supplement recommendations in there because quite frankly, people are suffering and people are suffering from their own crappy habits a lot of times. And we don't want to be in a position where we're not sleeping, but we also are kind of addicted to our phone. We're addicted to food. So I think Huberman's done a good job of saying like, you know, here's the shoulds, you know, here's all the shoulds that you should do. And here's the reasons why.

And hopefully all the shoulds, woulds and coulds, hopefully those are encouraging enough to get you on the right path. But if they're not, maybe you're going to need some magnesium. Maybe you're going to need some zinc. Maybe you're going to have to try some of these other products because he has a show and he's trying like you need to support the show and the show is free, right? But the show is free in quotes. It's free the way that this podcast is free.

It's free the way a lot of podcasts are free. And it's free via having some sponsors to help push the agenda forward. Here's a quick example. I know I have. I mean, I think you guys have. But I use those blue blockers, right? The amber blue blockers at night. And I use them because I have noticed that they do help me feel tired much faster. There is a big difference when I use them at night with light on and TV versus when I don't use them. Right. But Hoobman's talked about that before. He said, there's no evidence to back this up. So I can't say if it's beneficial or not, but we have, and we know many people who have done the same. We've seen that benefit, right?

The 3% that we own in that company assures me that it works and you should go over, give them a discount. Promo code power project. Yeah. Mark's joking. We don't actually even have any company like that, but yeah,

Mark. Yeah. But the thing is, is like, that's the thing. Like the dude is going to do everything based off of us, what research and science says, whereas like, that's the thing. Like the dude is going to do everything based off of us, what research and science says. Whereas like we care about that, but we also care about the things that haven't been researched

yet. And there's a lot of things that we have been doing that now science comes to back some of that up as being beneficial. Like 16, eight fasting, a lot of the nutrition community for the longest time was like, oh, you're going to lose muscle. Now a new study fucking comes out this year and they're like oh okay well if you have that 16a and you keep calories equal keep protein equal you actually won't lose muscle wow we've been doing that shit right you know so it's it's what it is don't don't get me wrong i love andrew huberman that shit the stuff that

he puts forward like mark said i think we do we needed it but what the example you just gave is like a more of an argument for i think what all of this was like how it started off i would much rather listen to you two guys talk about your sleep routines your fasting routines or habits or whatever may be and how they've been successful for you as opposed to what the literature would say like i don't give a I don't care about really what that says. I want to go and talk to the people that are practicing it. And I, again, I think that's what he's getting at when he says that he doesn't say anything. Again, we're like, you know, trying to figure out what someone else that we don't even know at the moment, like what they're trying to say. So it's kind of silly to even be going back and forth on it. But that's where I

was getting at is I'd rather see what you guys are doing and what practices habits that you guys have right now, as opposed to, well, this study says, blah, blah, blah. I was like, well, let me just go see what the guys that are crushing it are doing instead. I go back and forth on that a lot myself. I don't know who to listen to, to be honest with you. You know, I might want to listen to a little bit of Jay Cutler, like Jay Cutler might have some good advice, especially when it comes to diet and when it comes to performance enhancing drugs. At the same time, that's also a guy, I myself pushed it to some pretty extreme limits. He pushed it beyond anything anyone could possibly really imagine. but also like just because I listen to some stuff from Jay Cutler, does that mean that I can't pick up some knowledge and some good safety tips from Huberman? You know, so if Andrew's talking about Andrew Huberman, if he's talking about testosterone,

I think one of the first times he talked about using some TRT was on our show. And I kind of joked to them, I was like, Oh, now you're writing about it and talking about it because you just took it last week. You know, so there's sometimes there's practicality, but if you've been somebody who's been studying it and rubbing elbows with people, I'm not a material expert in really much of anything I would say, but I have rubbed elbows with a lot of people over the years that know a lot about sleep, that know a lot about steroids, that know a lot about ABC. So by default, you start to become very knowledgeable in these areas and you can share it out with people. But I think people having a variety of people to go to is wonderful.

Why not give people a good, the people that want to go to the doctor and understand information from him, the people that want to go to us and learn information or to Rogan. And it doesn't mean that you have to tunnel vision, just listen to one person, which I think is kind of the point of some of these videos and contesting Andrew Heerman, I think is great because in my opinion, that's what science is all about is that you should be, it doesn't have to be in a distasteful way or it doesn't have to be in a harmful way i think that we can say hey look man i kind of think this guy is full of shit um but i think you need good evidence on how to back it up if you think what someone's

saying isn't uh accurate continuing on line was beautiful how to never procrastinate how to up your testosterone blah blah blah blah, blah, blah, blah, blah about dopamine. I've listened to him and I'll do the seven and eight minutes. And by God, I mean, he doesn't say anything. He's really is a skill, how he can go round and around. But when you have somebody from Stanford that does not have the checkered path, he's going to be the guy that comes in to take over the new guy on the white horse wearing the white

hat, right? He wears all black when he is dishonest now it's a lie and that's very different you don't ever hear me call someone a liar never when people are wrong that's what i say i say that they have it wrong and there's a massive difference in line as opposed to having it wrong as opposed to you misspoke massive i don't like that he's a liar he's a liar i don't that. But this gentleman that isn't like the rest of us, he's much more polished to come in and say the things that he's saying. He would, of course, know the difference. And I got to go online. Look, I never looked it up.

In all fairness, I never looked it up. When I was a little boy, my mother told me what it meant. That it's not a matter of saying something that isn't true. It's a matter of saying something isn't true when you intend to deceive. The example she gave me, if today is Tuesday and somebody says, what day is it? And you tell them it's Wednesday, but you actually think it's Wednesday. You then have not lied. You're just wrong. So when I watch Huberman go on and tell people how they can up their testosterone

fourfold or their growth hormone fourfold, that is not only not true, somebody in his position would know it's not true. So by my mother's definition, he lies. I don't like that he's doing that. I don't know why he's doing that. And it's the biggest problem within our space. Can you pause? It's the biggest.

Just here's briefly my thoughts on this is that I think Huberman is normally like citing studies that he sees. Maybe occasionally it's somebody that he knows or has seen something from. I don't think he's like pulling these things out of thin air. However, where I would agree, this is where things get kind of cloudy and blurry a little bit. When somebody says that someone increased their testosterone fourfold, but they're also talking about maybe their own usage of TRT, or they're talking about other people that they know that use performance enhancing drugs. When it's in the same podcast or in the similar like paragraph, it's kind of making you think, oh my God, that thing's going to increase my testosterone fourfold the same way that

performance enhancing drugs are going to do. Not saying that Andrew Huberman's ever said that. I've never heard him say that, but I do think that that people are making comparisons there and they're like, I'm going to go buy that supplement. I'm sure when he recommended Fidozia and some of the other things that it probably sold like fucking crazy on the internet when he talked about it on Rogan and things like that. Talk about ours too.

Yeah. On our show as well. I think, you know, he was on our show like at the beginning of the pandemic and stuff like that. But, and talking about the powers of sleep and growth hormone being produced from

the sauna and maybe even the cold plunge and things like that. Yeah, it does. I mean, working out will increase your growth hormone levels. Will it be the same as running four IUs of growth hormone every day for, you know, three years? You know, I don't know. But again, I haven't heard Huberman say that specifically, but I think that is an area that can get cloudy from time to time. I think on two bears, when he was on two bears,

when he talked about the Vidoge on ToneCot, and also maybe it was when he was on our show too, he has said he has seen in some people their testosterone increased by up to three to 400 points. So that could be someone going from 300 to 600 or 700. But that's not, and again, Um, but that's not, uh, and again, I, I'm very curious, like if somebody can comment below and let us know where maybe this four fold thing is, when we look at like how low testosterone is in some men these days because of their lifestyle factors, because they're not eating good foods, because maybe they're not in shape because maybe they're not exercising. They're not getting the type of sleep that they need to get. A lot of young guys have low test and they think they're just destined to have low test. Once they start getting their, you know, their hormones in check, once they start getting their sleep, their habits, I meant to say habits, not hormones, things can increase. And then let's say then they do start to supplement some other things. Like when we had Adam Hotchkiss on the show the other day and he mentioned how he's run into some people

where they fix their thyroid and their testosterone came up boom like came up 300 400 500 points not by addressing their test by by addressing their thyroid these are things that people don't really think about they mainly think oh i need more I need TRT. That's usually the immediate place that guys go because TRT is so popular. But a lot of these other ancillary things can actually be that thing to get you the increase that you're looking for, to get you to decent levels

and even above average levels, right? So again, the fourfold thing, because he uses such colorful words all the time, I'm not even sure if I can believe that the fourfold thing is true. I have it at the 300, 400 points because of Adoji and Tonkat. But again, maybe that has worked

for some people in that way. Because I remember hearing him say that, but he didn't say research said, he said that I have seen it work in certain people like that. That's not a crazy claim. I'd also say that a little bit unfair, in my opinion of Shail Sonan, to say that he's not a crazy claim. I'd also say that a little bit unfair, in my opinion, of Shale Sonnen

to say that he's not like the rest of us, because I found it my experience with Andrew Huberman to be different. Andrew Huberman came here to super training gym. He did work out with us. He did some deadlifts and stuff with us. You taught him how to bench. Yeah, I taught him how to bench. He, which, which all of that was a little bit of a surprise for me because you don't know how each person's going to be when we invite them here. But he was down. He hung out. He's in good shape.

Yes. He's got a big neck. I mean, that's admirable. When someone's got a neck, right? It's like you got to kind of be like, yo, bro. Like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Hat goes off to you. Congratulations, right?

He looks like he's in great shape uh he hung out in my house and stuff and he was super nice and just he spent some time so i i kind of disagree with that statement a little bit i do think that's actually what surprised me about him is he was more like the rest of us than i expected what you got andrew uh i just i'm thinking again going back to like stuff working and not working because like in sema you've had your labs done after taking uh i forgot how many weeks of uh pedosia and tonic i did like eight weeks of it and and it and it worked my luteinizing hormone went up quite a bit i don't think my test went up that much though but that's because i already had great lifestyle habits i already take care of myself but my lh went up that much though, but that's because I already had great lifestyle habits. I already take care of myself, but my LH went up a lot.

Yeah. And then I'm just thinking again, like what, what works, what works? Like what if somebody starts taking this stuff and all of a sudden they're just like, well, shit, I'm on, basically I'm going to test booster. My testosterone is going to be high and therefore their workouts are better. Therefore their habits are now in check. And I understand that that has nothing to do with what the supplement claims to be able to help you with. But again, did it work?

Yes, it worked. So it's just, I don't know, it's strange. And then, yeah, him kind of going after the, I guess, personality or whatever, or like integrity of Andrew Huberman without knowing him. Yeah, that's just kind of a bummer. It's a tactic though we talked about this tactic before oh yeah what did he say he's not like the rest of us what does that do separates us versus them yeah and then and then of course the fourfold thing's interesting and then what mark was mentioning like again when people have their arguments

back and forth or their debates they'll bunch things together so it seems like uh x supplement does da da da da remember jay cutler when he did this so now you kind of associate this supplement with jay cutler and it's just like a weird tactic and that that's for debates and that's why i like debating suck sometimes what'd you do take a piss uh-huh that was good that's fast all right here we go this one i'm a big fan of hulk hogan and i forgive him completely but hulk hogan is the What'd you do, take a piss? Uh-huh. That was good. That was fast. All right, here we go. This one. I'm a big fan of Hulk Hogan, and I forgive him completely, but Hulk Hogan is the example that people my age will always turn to. He denied that he did anabolics.

He said he just said a lot of prayers and took vitamins and exercise, right? It turned out to not be true. But now you wasted 20 years of somebody else's life because we believed you, and we tried to simulate you, and we couldn't get the results of you. That sounds heartfelt. Like, what are you saying? We simulate you, and we couldn't get the results of you. That sounds heartfelt. Like, what are you saying? We believed you, Hulk. He sounds truly hurt.

I think that's why he made this video. Maybe this has to do with his Hulk trauma. Yo, goddamn. I wonder if he had the weight set that you guys had. Yeah. That'd be sick to get that again. Yeah, train, say your prayers, and take your vitamins. Vitamins?

What kind of vitamins? Maybe it's Fidozia. Vitamin T. Vitamin T. That's a T-shirt. Or the Rock has taken it. But what they could do is they could just tell you the truth, which is legal. It's appropriate and it's helpful.

Obviously. Obviously. They don't need to keep that secret selfishly to themselves. And that's where some of the problem comes in. Can you pause for a second? You guys think it had any value for someone like The Rock or some of these celebrities to say, yeah, I use some stuff here and there. Again, I do think if somebody is, and maybe it's a big part like if you're out here like we are talking about this stuff all the time we need to be open about the things we do because at the end of the day we're sharing our habits but there's an educational aspect like i'm doing this and this is how i'm

doing it but someone like that the rock isn't an educator on health and fitness even though people the motivator yeah he's a motivator people look look up to him for that. Um, but he's not out here talking about that shit every single day. So it's also not trying to say that he doesn't do him. He just is not talking about it. Just doesn't talk about it. Right. I think it's fine. I think it's right. Yeah. Personally. Yeah. I'm conflicted on it. Cause obviously you don't want, like, I don't want my son to look up to somebody like the rock and you know, again, all the things that we warn people about, like, I want him to know that like The Rock and, you know, again, all the things that we warn people about. Like, I want him to know that, like, that's, you can get there naturally, right?

You don't have to start sticking needles in yourself. But on the other side, I also hate it when people are like, oh, he's on every steroid under the sun. It's like, hold on, guys. Like, okay, look at him when he's 16 you know i could work out and take all the steroids for the rest of my life and i'll never look like he did at 16 like he's a fucking animal right and he's been working hard for a very long time remember how wide his shoulders are like there's a couple pictures when he's young you're like what the fuck yeah he looks like uh like a cartoon character yeah you know something like

it's some one of our actually listeners got me on this book. I read David Epstein's book, Range, but he has this book called The Sports Gene. And it was a comment that somebody left on our TRT video. So I got it, and I'm on chapter eight or nine. But in that book, he was talking about how there is some research done on bone density and how bone density is like scaffolding for an individual's ability to hold a certain amount of muscle. Right. So if someone over time has a certain amount of a certain bone density, there's going to be a limit to how much muscle they can actually hold on their frame. And individuals who have much thicker bone density are able to pack on more size. Now, I'm not saying the rock's natural or anything, but you do

look at that picture of him at 16. His frame is literally huge. Natural or not, and obviously everyone's comments could be he's on drugs. Maybe he is, probably is. I don't fucking know. But you can't deny that there is a genetic aspect to the amount of muscle that that man or people like him are able to hold on their frame. That's going be different everybody's different so and one thing that chael does is he tries to lump like for example he said i'm obviously on just uh performance enhancing drugs not obviously you got to tell you you got to tell if you are right but he lumps himself in and people that are listening are like yeah yeah obviously you know like most people are on performance that are listening are like, yeah, obviously, you know, like most people are on performance. Most athletes are on performance and anti-drugs. And it's just, no,

athletes are fucking different. I'm going to shut up after this. But even in that book, The Sports Gene, he goes into NBA players and the difference between the wingspans and the height of black athletes and white athletes in the npa um one thing that they tend to notice is that taller athletes in the nba tend to have wingspans that are larger than their height and on average the black athlete i think it's like uh uh it's a differential of like 1.7 right which is the the like maybe he's a six foot eight with a seven four wingspan but the white nba players even though they're just as tall their wingspans generally aren't as long. Why? Because West Africans that are usually, you know, have history near the equator generally will have longer limb lengths

because of the geography of where they were born and where their ancestry is. Shit's different. Like people in different places are different. So we can't, we can't lump everybody in to be exactly the same. Yeah, I agree. Yeah. And then, so like the other thing that I wanted to mention,

I forgot was also like, it'd be cool if everybody was open about it. So it wasn't such a hot topic and it wasn't almost like taboo, you know, like, like, Oh, is,

is the rock on stuff? Like, I don't know, probably, but you know, whatever, or the rocks on everything he's juiced to the gills it's like it'd be cool if we just didn't care like that's why i

think it'd be cool if he did mention it and then we just you know because like people especially celebrities something controversial will happen and then like two weeks everyone forgets about it it'd be pretty dope if he was just like yeah i'm actually on you know whatever 200 milligrams of trt and then in like a month we all forget about it i think people unfortunately can't afford to you know like their associations and things like that it's just right people people aren't cool with it they can can be weird about it i also think that the rock may have been in compromising positions before where he's had to talk about it and then people are like well you said this know, this many years ago.

And now, you know, so it's just, I think it can get messy for people. Unfortunately, people get all up in arms over it. And even though people are so open about this these days, like I don't think it's ever going to be a point where people don't care because this is the thing. People are still open, but there are guys who are on steroids and are open about it. There are guys who are not on steroids and are open about it. But those guys who aren't on steroids, people still won't believe they're not on steroids because they look like a guy who could be on steroids. So at the end of the day, it's just like they're at this point,

we are at a point where people are open, at least at the fitness industry, where many people are open. Not everyone. Many people are. But even so, it's still something where if you look like you could be on steroids, I mean, you're not jailed, but if you look like you could be on steroids, people will think, and you're not people, will think you are. Because, I mean, look at other people who are. There's insane genetic differences between people, too. I mean, you're, I mean, you're mentioning it,

but it's just the level is insane. You know, uh, Corey Schlesinger, uh, he's the strength coach of the Phoenix suns. And he's like, man,

Oh my God. He's like, have you just seen what I've seen for like two years? You would be like, I don't think training really matters that much. He's like, there's just some really talented people out there that have different life circumstances i mean you always hear about the white dude on the farm you know the brock lesnar

type of thing right um you hear these stories all the time and then he's got some like crazy farm boy strength um he might be an example of somebody who's like well he's on him too but at some age he wasn't on them and he was an absolute fucking wrecking machine and that genetic difference of where he was at 17 or 18 you hear stories you hear people talking about how other people are getting thrown all over the mats and just this kid was mopping the floor with them and then he would flex afterwards he was fucking jacked as hell and people were like what is going on over there on those mats because at wrestling tournaments there's multiple matches going on at one time but everyone kind of stopped and pivoted and like what is happening over there why is that man

beating everybody up and let's talk such a freak many people start much earlier like you started lifting and you when you from you always have the story the first time you benched the first time you laid your hands on a barbell how much did you fucking bench at what age um it might not have been the exact first time that i benched but i just remember having my friends come over and i benched like 105 and i was like 12 or something you know or 11 something like that and my friends they could barely move bar. They were squirming with the bar and 65 pounds and stuff like that. And then it wasn't too long after, I think I was like, I can't remember exact ages and exact weight. So forgive me for some of that.

But I think I might've been 14. I benched like 240, 245 or something like that. I couldn't bench that. Like what the fuck? You know what I mean? So it's like, again, there's a variety between everybody and their starting points are different. Yeah. I had to take Sarms to bench that. So you have a hot date coming up and you look in your closet and all you see are the old ugly clothes that you usually wear and you're going to wear tonight. It's time to end that, guys.

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comes out and tells you that through a cold shower or any other truly dishonest thing that he has said, which is to upping testosterone. This is getting good. Entertainment. So untrue. It's provable. You've done pieces like this before. Broken SEMA untrue, but it's provable. He's broken SEMA. Sorry, that was so funny.

He tells you through a cold shower. Are you going to increase your test? You can picture Andrew Huberman in the shower telling you, hey, you got to do this. I just wonder how many people were sitting in cold showers just like... Up in my test. And Hman is just like in his lab laughing

with an evil with an evil laugh he's just he's like my plan my plan is working he's got that he's got his whiteboard with all the things that will they fall for it and he just crosses that one off the list and like oh fuck they did let's see what else we got oh we need this in fitness yeah this is great thanks more dicks i've even had coach great come out they want to talk shale's wrong shale asks you then to bring me the person that you've done it with you get all these fitness guys together and they say that you can achieve certain goals that you could put on 20 pounds in three months of muscle clean. They'll tell you that after a lifetime, but they'll never bring you the person they've done it with.

There would be massive money that somebody would give. They're going to give you about twenty five hundred dollars. Who's saying this shit? He was saying something about Greg Doucette. Has Greg ever said that? You always got to be careful. You put something in Coach Greg's mouth, you didn't say, he will come for you. This is actually really interesting.

So as Greg Doucette is promoting one of his products, I don't remember what it's called. Not Trichester. His cookbook. It has tricasterone in it, but it has a supplement called NMN, which is supposed to be like a super key ingredient. However, what's interesting is that he actually will just quote and then even show Andrew Huberman talking about it. So like that's why it fits really well in with this conversation right now so again so i i don't know if if uh he has said like he's shown people like if you said said anything like that but like that's just funny that we're coming full circle i picture this like going off like uh jl sonan's like producer yeah uh leaves him like a voice note on his phone hey man i found

this video we should do something about uh you know andrew here man he sends leaves him like a voice note on his phone hey man i found this video we should do something about uh you know andrew here man he sends him over like a clip and uh like hey he gets there and like hey did you watch the clip he's like i kind of want to listen to some of it on the way over and like all right well you want to do that today he's like yeah fuck it i'll just do it anyway he's just going off the cuff and he's just ripping on someone he doesn't know a ton about it seems like it really seems like that it's funny as fuck though i'll say that it is great oh man i'll put a bonus on that of a quarter million dollars and they'll give you the 90 days and they'll do anything that you ask and if you get them here of lean

clean muscle and three they will give you this kind of these guys don't try to get it they don't try to get they don They don't try to get it. They don't know anyone that's done it. It's not true. And I don't know why. Every fitness guy, including the guys that juice, will tell you that you can get those results with how juicy and if you're willing to work hard enough. It's not true.

And Uberman is claiming all over hell and gone that through showers, just for one, he's got all four. Just through a shower did you get up your testosterone four times what his message is really falling apart yo jail what the fuck

hey if he's to tell if Hubert actually said that that's wild dog who did that but i don't think he did no he ain't talking like that no he's not like a bodybuilding coach you can increase your testosterone four times right cold shower it's it's funny because he's like here's the dopamine thing the cold punch maybe he's mixing up testosterone and dopamine could be because remember we, we talked about that. You know?

But it's kind of funny because he's like, you know, bring me the proof of whatever you guys are claiming. It's like, well, can you bring me the proof that they're making these claims right now? That shit sounds wild. I think the fourfold thing actually has to do with growth hormone, but I forget what it was in reference. So you can probably YouTube it. Probably look it up. Nah, this is more fun. But I just mean like as part of this we can look at that too yeah yeah but guys the uh when

we're talking about like cold showers or cold plunge and dopamine there has been like research done on um dopamine increases from like cocaine sex and then getting in really cold and getting in the cold has a higher dopamine increase in maintenance. You can maintain that dopamine level for hours. Higher than Coke. And we've done cold plunge before. It does feel really great afterwards, but getting in this fucking sauce. That's why we're installing some shower heads here at the Power Project as well. Just do the whole podcast, the cold shower.

Shivering the whole time. It burns body fat too. Oh yeah, it turns it into brown fat just an excuse for us to shower together and lipoproteins or something i don't know that sounds right sound good who said it oh you know pause real quick you know something you should just do so yeah yeah man hooburn said that shit yeah just for everything yeah man cold showers increased growth hormone five times what oh hooburn said you can check his shit out.

Research. It's the new, I heard it on Rogan. That's what it is. And it's amazing because after all the diligence that he has with safety, he's like, hey, this is what I do and it's separate from this. He goes over everything so thoroughly. So to have people just randomly say like this was recommended by i can just imagine a stanford dean showing this to him like did you

say yeah oh yeah what about him getting roasted by rogan about the temperature of his water that was pretty good they're going back and forth on that pretty good because he no how cold did he remember say he had it i think 50 or 55 hopefully 55 rogan was upset rogan had a hard time moving on from that yeah you you really went in on him for that shit dude i had mine set at 50 and i thought i was good i had to i couldn't do it i had to bring it back up to 55 dude it was anyways another conversation for a different day. I feel you. Provided it. And he never will.

That has never happened. That is something you have to be profoundly ignorant to believe. But you have to be almost a bad person to say it. My wrestling, because this isn't one guy. I'm telling you, you don't know one guy. And you're a doctor. And I'm sticking this like he shot on somebody. You know, he's sticking with it.

He's not going to give up. Yeah. Stanford, you probably drove through town, stopped over the cafeteria. He was sticking this like he shot on somebody. He's sticking with it. He's not going to give up. Stanford, you probably drove through town, stopped over at the cafeteria, but whatever it is, went to Stanford. What? Stopped at the cafeteria. I had one guy. I had a team of guys.

I had them my freshman year, my sophomore year, my junior year, my senior year. It's about 60 guys. But when those years were done, I got them again. I got freshman, sophomore, junior, and senior year in the form of college. When that was done, I did another 22 years. Big teams, right? Big teams, but lots and lots of guys. Every single day, we did cold showers.

Every single day, we lifted our asses off. Every single day, we saw it. I mean, what a coincidence. You probably don't know very many people. You've probably not done that with the cold showers and the hot and the exercise and the fasting we had to make. We did absolutely everything that they're claiming ups your testosterone. This isn't an opinion for me. Not one person's did. Not one person's. This is silly. When I took testosterone, which was as recently as a week ago, I could not up it four

times on exogenous pharmaceutical grade testosterone. I couldn't do that. And he's telling people through sauna, through culture, through fast. I'm going faster. He needs better gear. That's a lie. Pause. Andrew, what do you mean by that?

Well, my testosterone was at like a 350. Before TRT. Before TRT. I took initially because, you know, as these things go, you kind of get like a prescription and then you before trt i took uh initially because you know as these things go you you kind of get like a prescription then you see where you go from there i was taking 250 milligrams a week that shit bumped up to like 2500 i don't know multiplication tables and all that shit but that was a lot you see what he said there too it's interesting because chael is a he was a professional athlete.

He was a UFC fighter, right? So you gotta probably already be pretty healthy or pretty decently hormonally healthy to be in the UFC, right? Oh, absolutely. So for like him talking about his experience on TRT,

potentially, maybe he didn't even, TRT is supposed to be replacement, right? But did he need it? Who knows? I don't think he even really knows like if him or anyone on his team, if they were indeed doing those things, if they did increase their testosterone. Because they probably didn't get it checked.

Yeah. Why would they be getting it checked? Yeah. They may have increased it. I mean, an increase of testosterone is not automatically cause a net gain in muscle mass out of nowhere. You don't fucking feel like going super sane or some shit like after you after you like you know you start saunaing and cold plunge you don't feel like goku like ah you know like a lot of the like all the things we talk about are a a culmination of all the habits over time so it's not like we just started cold plunging and then we were like

or we just went to the sauna a few times and i would say the cold plunge does that even more to you more more so than a shot of testosterone oh you mean the immediate feeling yeah yeah you feel really fucking good and even just 30 seconds of letting cold water just run in the back of your head in the shower gets you a little revved up um testosterone in my experience i've never had it like rev me up uh it it can help you be more motivated kind of definitely throughout every day uh but again you're not like raging it's not anything like an energy drink or anything like that yeah this is i really like the latter half of this video it's really entertaining but one thing that again i it's somewhat disingenuous by him it's a the way

like andrew puts things forwards is never a magic pill type of way it's never like you do this yeah if you do this this is going to happen you see it a lot in fitness where people have their terkesterone and then you take terkesterone you yeah your test is going to go up and you do this this is going to happen you see it a lot in fitness where people have their terkesterone and then you take terkesterone you yeah your test is going to go up and you're so fucking magic bro like you see that a lot when certain people fitness but like when we talk about things and when andrew's talked about things it's never do this one thing and your life will be changed and that's how he's kind of making this sound which isn't true dude, dude. But it's funny. Yeah. I'll say this. It's definitely funny. It's putting forth information.

Yeah. He knows it's a lie. You can look at his little skinny stuff. He's never done it. Whoa. He'll never get somebody that done it. And all you have to do is do it. They probably weigh the same.

Oh, yeah. And if you're making claims like that, it's not a matter of jail coming in and telling you, go get somebody and test them. If you're an honest guy, you'd have already had it. You never would have made the claim that they can go up four times. You'd have never made the claim if you didn't have the evidence.

So you can't find a guy, you won't find a guy, but you haven't found a guy. And that's a little bit of a problem for Mr. Huberman. Yeah. Interesting. huberman yeah interesting he he switched the argument though right because first wasn't he talking about the fedosia and then it switched over to the cold showers i have the well he was he talking about fedosia i think he didn't even use the name with the name fedosia he was talking about or maybe i just basically i think it's just trying to put forward that he thinks that Andrew Huberman's a liar. Yeah. Kind of seems like that was his message, right?

Mm-hmm. And what we've seen in our experience, seems like he's been a pretty big positive. I think a lot of people are jealous of him. He's moving really fast. He didn't even really start out trying to be in fitness at all. It didn't seem like, just seemed like he kind of ended up there because fitness people happen to gravitate towards him. And again, I think he does a good job. Like he only recently, in my opinion, I've listened to a lot of his shows only recently, in my opinion, has he started to share his own

opinion. He hasn't even really talked much about his own habits, his own disciplines until a little bit more recently. And he's been interjecting. He's been more opinionated lately. And I found that to be really cool. I actually complimented him on it a couple of days ago. I was like, I think this is really cool that you're starting to insert more of your own commentary that's a departure from just the science because I think it's helpful. But I think he's doing an amazing job. And again, I just think people are like, what the fuck, man? Why does this guy get all the shine? Where's the rest of it for the rest of us?

Yeah, man. It's very obvious. Again, everybody has different starting places. There might be someone who does implement some of this and their testosterone goes up or doubles or triples. And that is very likely because a lot of people don't have great habits these days. And it's not even their fault. You might be a parent to multiple kids. You can't get sleep. And it's just like you're overwhelmed and you don't take the time to take care of yourself you implement some habits as far as getting good sleep getting rid of processed foods fitting in a fucking cold shower and it's like like and boom your testosterone doubled whoa right that can happen to some people so i don't know it's it was a funny video i'll say that yeah real quick has he ever mentioned uh getting in the cold uh does boost testosterone he i okay i'm not gonna say i don't i haven't heard him mention that i heard him mention the benefits on dopamine and losing brown fat and the research has backed that up but perfect because what i was gonna say was like he's not the first person to come out and talk about getting in the cold being beneficial it's just that he has a big target on his back because what you said mark like he went from zero to two million subscribers what

seems like in a couple of weeks and i think he was on our show and then two weeks later he was on rogan so i'm sure he was on rogan first i think yeah there was a two weeks yeah i think he was here first yeah there was a two weeks thing where he was here and then he was there so he got his big break with us. Oh, man. Power Project family, if you're trying to increase your muscle mass, if you're trying to lose body fat, if you're trying to stick to nutrition plan, if you're trying to get fit, pretty much if there's anything you're trying to do for your health, we know that

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Like, I want to know. Cause I think we did good. I don't know. Andrew, see if you can find a clip of him talking about like the four times thing, like four times testosterone, four times growth hormone.

It might, this part might be a little clunky trying to research this and trying to look this up, but it might, might have some, I might have some merit. I mean, people are breaking up clips of him all the time. I mean, how many clips do you see a day

of Huberman? He's like all over the place. It's not just his show. It's like other people are clipping his content and creating their own YouTube channels from it. Yeah, right. There's stuff all over the place. And so he ends up talking for a few hours sometimes on some of these shows and ends up saying a lot. So I wouldn't doubt that he talked about, you know, increasing your testosterone, increasing your growth hormone. And we definitely have heard him talk a lot about dopamine, but you know, do these things have an impact on your day to day? I think they do. I think they

have a huge net positive for you in the long run. It's just that most of the stuff might take a while. You know, you develop in a new habit and you starting to go the right direction for a little while, it might unfortunately take like months. It might take years

before you really start noticing the impact of all these things. So a quick search just pulls up a video of Huberman talking about increasing your testosterone by 400%. I don't know if that's what Chael was getting at. It just says proven method to increase testosterone and we can pull it up and watch it. I do think on Rogan too, they got into all kinds of different things. I was going to say, I think they got into all kinds of things on Rogan. I i know that rogan pulled up a clip but i don't know if it's when he was on

the show talking about how somebody had prostate cancer and they utilized the cold plunge every day and it helped that individual with that problem yeah do you guys want to check out this video too sure let's check out also i want to do i do want to mention this for example two bears right two bears one cave is a fucking huge podcast and I think Hooberman is probably their top four podcasts ever. And he was on there recently. They have podcasts that have gotten five million, six million, whatever. wild to think about how far reaching a lot of his information has been. It's outside of fitness now. It's general. He's done something that no one's really, there hasn't been anybody in fitness who's done that. Everybody has kind of wanted to do that.

But he's the first guy, I think, that I've seen. And didn't even start in fitness. I guess he can't count Arnold because he's just like Arnold. Arnold certainly did it. Burt Kreischer being on TRT is amazing. He talks about his gear. It's so funny. Did you see when Tom injected him on air? That was great.

Let's check this out. Alright, let's see what's up. However, abstinence also increases testosterone even further. It's important to note that there's a huge range in terms of the levels of hormones, testosterone and estrogen between individuals. And it actually occurs within individuals across the lifespan. Testosterone will fluctuate across the lifespan. Testosterone is going to be relatively low pre-puberty in males. During puberty, it's going to skyrocket. And then

current numbers are that it drops off at about a rate of 1% per year. Although we're going to talk about some data that show that there's actually tremendous variation in testosterone levels. There's actually a lot of examples of men in their 90s who still have testosterone levels that mimic pubertal levels, which is remarkable and speaks to the huge variation in testosterone levels across individuals. Competition is a powerful. I'm sorry. Like for that right there, I think that kind of goes into just the power of maintaining habits, maintaining, like doing activity, working. There are people like in, in other countries and people in this country too, that stay working into older age, physical labor, like retiring by 65, isn't the thing. And you see some

of these people and they look like they could be 40 and 50 at 70 and 80. You know what I mean? So it's, it's a difference in lifestyle. Like we were just watching a video by vigorous Steve and you guys should check it out. But like the studies that were done on those decreasing testosterone levels were general population people in the United States. 52% who had obesity. I think he said 52% were on medication and then they're like 20 something percent or 30% were obese. So these are things to think about when we talk about these things. I think we're always aiming pretty high and people are expecting a steroid or a workout

or an exercise to do so much for them. But what about just not losing stuff? You know, that's a really wonderful capacity to have. What about just holding on to some strength, holding on to some muscle mass? You know, if you're listening to this show right now and you're 30 years old and you are maybe fortunate enough to not have gotten addicted to food and you're not overweight, look, man, if you can hang in there and just stay about where you are, I know that nobody wants that necessarily for them, but if you can stay where you're at until you're 60, 65, 70, you're going to look around and you're going to see that everybody else probably has more body fat than you. They probably have a less muscle mass than

you. They're probably in more pain than you. So I know that we want fitness to like rip us up and shred us up and, uh, allow us to bench 405 and all this kind of stuff. But there's also benefits of it that are, that are not talked about enough. The, our elderly people, they fall and get hurt. And when they get hurt, they die within one year of getting hurt. They fall and they hurt their hip and then, and then that's it. And I think that people, people used to think that that was directly correlated with muscle mass loss, which it kind of is, but you lose muscle mass by not sending a signal to your body to maintain strength. And the strength will help to increase and to keep

your bone density in check, which will also send a message to your body to keep the muscle mass that you have on there. And if you're not eating the protein, you're not following through with everything that you need to do to make sure that muscle mass stays on you for longer so you can live longer and still move around. We've talked about the little things we do each day. Like I jump rope every single day and I do some jumping stuff just so that don't lose that ability because people stop jumping.

AthleanX actually made a video very recently. It was a few days ago. I saw a piece of it where he said he keeps a 42 inch box in his gym that he just jumps on once every single day because most people stop jumping at a certain point. You don't think about it and we've talked about this before, but most people just stop jumping. And then a few years later you try to jump. You're like, Whoa, I haven't done that since fucking high school. Right? So if you can just do things to send your body this to the

signal of, like you mentioned, not stopping jump once a day. And Jeff actually mentioned something very cool. You guys should go check out that video. Maybe we'll link it below here too. But he said, some people don't jump. And I do one jump every single day at the end of a year that's 365 jumps that's 365 more jumps than most people do every single year that adds up and coming down off of that box again it's going to be big for bone density i think we're good do you want to just uh wrap her up take us on that yeah sure all right well again let us know what you guys think about this uh this topic this conversation this back and forth because uh yeah this is i want to hear everybody's comments down below and then also if you're on spotify don't uh don't forget we have a a comment section over there as well just drop the comments and then you know i have to approve them

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Oh my God. Is that a Chael Sonnen promo? Yeah. He just grabbed the microphone from Rogan and he was just like, Anderson Silva, you absolutely suck. And then he had a war with Anderson Silva. You guys, you guys remember yes you know absolutely you can bring up that uh before we leave you got to bring up that uh

you and see me you're gonna love this i looked up i was looking at some massive uh jiu-jitsu right here yes i was looking at pictures of chael son and while we were he was such a good i mean he's still a good fighter he's a good fighter but like a good fighter one of the pictures that popped up was anderson silva's just like shin chopping right here on him. The trail was actually very jacked in that fight. Yeah. Very jacked in that fight.

Yeah. He was winning that fight. The whole fight. He was winning the whole fight. He was winning. He was pretty dominant. I'm going to skip ahead a little bit and make sure the audio is not on. But how did Anderson end up winning?

Dude, you got to watch. No spoilers. That's a while to almost beat anderson silva dude he shit he took those on the chin dude he fucked him up for i forgot i don't know if they were going five rounds back then if it was a championship fight but we'll just say five rounds straight fucked him up for well you'll see that's why he always has the joke of like i see people commenting on his videos of like almost champion or like best that's very interesting i'm gonna just skip ahead for time time time oh shit so again dude fucking them up bad there's something that happens uh it's very subtle right it already happened it's gonna get triangle it already happened yep he had that he got wrist control right

he got a good punch in there oh fuck dude and then they're they're seriously like the clock is about to be like it's almost over like literally the fight's almost over no triangle armbar? Oh! So he had the option, right? He had the option to do either one, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was doing both.

The fight's done. Yeah, because Chael, he was trying to kind of basically cheat right there. He tapped. But he was trying to pretend that he didn't. Yeah. He kind of just gave like a little, you know, just gave like a little you know he gave like a little one cause he was a little bit unsure of it some people do that in jiu jitsu tournaments where they be like

yeah see how he's kept fighting just rewind just a pinch I love the there's a punch by Anderson Silva that set the whole thing up he gets in a really good shot and then it's like he whacked him just enough just to like make him not pay attention to his wrist anymore fuck

right there oh and now it's like he's got that and he's locked in and i i think that anderson silva knows that he's fucking doomed you know what i mean he knows that that chel sonan's I think, look at him just like calculated. Dude, that's wild. I like it. Isn't that neat? Jiu Jitsu.

But those little things make you think it's like that. Like, I wonder how long was left in that last round, but what if Chael Sonnen did be Anderson Silva? What would the story be? Right? Because he was winning that fight. Yeah. Oh,

hands down. He would have won unanimously if he just hung on. Let me see if I can figure out before he. That's wild. I think there was a minute left. Maybe 30 seconds. I think Anderson was just, he's taking too many shots. He was trying to do some of that and he was getting hit.

And then getting hit on top of going against someone who's such a good wrestler. Yeah. Probably. Okay. Yeah. So it was a little bit longer than I remembered, but a minute 50,

but still left a minute 50 to be a champion. Fuck. That's it. That's insane. Oh, I did see the, the highlight of, uh,

Kamaru Usman's brother. That man's a giant. He's huge. Yeah. I don't know how tall he is. He's like two 36, two 40. He's a scary looking man. Just knock that guy out tall he is he's like 236 240 he's a

scary looking man just knock that guy out he's big i think he has uh some conditioning to work on because when i saw one of the fights he had recently he was he's a big guy that's a lot of

weight to lug around so hopefully he can get that squared away and be amazing on that mark smelly bell strength is never weakness weakness never strength catch you guys later bye