Mark Bell's Power Project - Charlie Zamora: Real Strength Comes From Faith, Family & Service

Episode Date: April 27, 2026

Charlie Zamora joins Mark Bell for a powerful conversation about faith, family, fitness, business, and what real strength actually means.Charlie has spent his life in gyms, from CrossFit and Olympic lifting to jiu-jitsu, HYROX, and coaching. But in this episode, he explains why strength is much bigger than numbers on a bar. He talks about growing up around hard-working men, building Warriors Fitness, evolving his business, working with firefighters and police departments, and learning that success means nothing if it costs you your family, your faith, or your purpose.Charlie also opens up about his relationship with God, the discipline required to keep showing up, why “how you feel doesn’t change what we have to do,” and how serving first responders became one of the biggest missions of his life.Special perks for our listeners below!🥩 HIGH QUALITY PROTEIN! 🍖 ➢ https://goodlifeproteins.com/ Code POWER to save 20% off site wide, or code POWERPROJECT to save an additional 5% off your Build a Box Subscription!🩸 Get your BLOODWORK/TRT/PEPTIDES! 🩸 ➢ https://marekhealth.com and use code "POWERPROJECT" for 10% off Self-Service Labs and Guided Optimization®.🧠 Methylene Blue: Better Focus, Sleep and Mood 🧠 Use Code POWER10 for 10% off!➢https://troscriptions.com?utm_source=affiliate&ut-m_medium=podcast&ut-m_campaign=MarkBel-I_podcastBest 5 Finger Barefoot Shoes! 👟 ➢ https://Peluva.com/PowerProject Code POWERPROJECT15 to save 15% off Peluva Shoes!Self Explanatory 🍆 ➢ Enlarging Pumps (This really works): https://bit.ly/powerproject1Pumps explained: https://youtu.be/qPG9JXjlhpM?si=JZN09-FakTjoJuaW🚨 The Best Red Light Therapy Devices and Blue Blocking Glasses On The Market! 😎➢https://emr-tek.com/Use code: POWERPROJECT to save 20% off your order!👟 BEST LOOKING AND FUNCTIONING BAREFOOT SHOES 🦶➢https://vivobarefoot.com/powerproject🥶 The Best Cold Plunge Money Can Buy 🥶 ➢ https://thecoldplunge.com/ Code POWERPROJECT to save $150!!➢ https://withinyoubrand.com/ Code POWERPROJECT to save 15% off supplements!➢ https://markbellslingshot.com/ Code POWERPROJECT to save 15% off all gear and apparel!

When I commit to a process, the process of training is a non-negotiable. I never want to say that I can't do something. And whether it's jiu-jitsu or any other thing that I'm trying, my answer to everyone, and it's part of my competitive nature is, you're not better than me. I just haven't learned it yet. And I think that if I keep that mentality, it allows you not to be fearful of your opponent, fearful of the outcome, because everything becomes an element of play and self-discovery.

When people start to focus on their true strength, which is the ability to be consistent, show up and be available for learning, that's a big game changer for anyone, whatever they're pursuing. I used to crank up the heater to 100 degrees and shut all the doors. And it said, if you ever leave the gym during the workout to grab air, stay outside. All right, Charlie Z. What's going on, buddy? I'm trying new brew. Yeah. This is a, let's see. Yeah, I crack mine open over here, too. This is a level of trust. So, uh, me and you right here. Let's see. I met you, what, like 10, 12 years ago? 15 years ago, probably 15 years ago, huh? 16, dude.

2010, I walked on to 3rd Street and you were there. Training at Super Training Gym. You just got done with a bench and Terragutti walked me over to meet you in person. Right. Yeah, I remember that because and then you and I, like, we were talking some shop, talking some like business and stuff and training and all that kind of stuff. But I remember that moment because it's something I share with people often because if I remember correctly, I think I was benching like five plates.

It's a lot. I was doing a couple reps back and forth as I was talking to you like in between the sets. And one of the things that I always think is interesting is like some of these things just accumulate for people and they don't really even think about it. You know, like you didn't know jiu-jitsu when we met. Yeah, you've been doing jiu-jitsu for a while. So you build this proficiency. And then somebody comes in and watches your role or learns that you're, you know, whatever status you are, however many matches you want or whatever. And same thing with some of your running and some of the things you're doing now.

And you do these things and you run at, you know, seven minute mile or something like that. And somebody's like, they're impressed by it. But you're kind of just thinking like, well, that's just what I've been working on for a long time. So that, you know, and that that was the same thing for me. I'm not like, I was thinking like, well, yes, I understand. It's impressive in the grand scheme of things. But it's just what I do. Yeah, I think that what was most interesting is you were talking to me between sets.

but at that time you were 300 plus. So you were a big dude and at the same time simultaneously very committed to the process. What I took from that is you were still willing to meet someone that was maybe at that time a buck 90 walking into the gym. And yeah, it was cool. And that time, that was the most weight I've ever seen bench pressed in my life. So I'm more like an awe of what's going on, your size, what's happening in just the whole environment. It was pretty crazy to be around at that time. You've done a bunch of different stuff now.

I think you're starting to get into some high rock stuff, right? I'll be doing that at the end of the year of my wife. And have you done a high rocks competition yet? I've not. And I think there's been a lot of people out there in the community that, let's say the community of fitness, they've been giving high rocks a bad time. And I've seen this kind of positioned a lot from CrossFit. It's CrossFit, but it's gay or is what I hear.

So what's funny is with that whole thing is I was an early adopter or a lot of the OGs will call me like a tweener. I'm not like from the beginning, but I was early enough where they still kind of respect me get into it. But in 2010, right around the same time, I started doing a bunch of CrossFit

and I came from a family of bodybuilding. So imagine what my dad, my uncles and everyone's saying about what I was doing. I remember when they were saying, like we lost them. Yeah. We're never getting them back.

What was funny is I've been around long enough for people to say CrossFit's gay. And now Crossfitters are calling something else gay. I'm like, do you guys know where you came? from. You guys were the ones that everyone was making fun of and now you're making fun of something new. If anything, I tell people, if you look at high rocks, what a great opportunity

to test your fitness. If you are better, go do it. Well, it's a bunch of running. Well, classically, Crossfraises don't run a lot. So work on that and efficiency if that's there or if it's efficient because of your training, go in. Calling something stupid or saying it's gay is like a defense mechanism, right? For, you know, your lady is like, wow, that guy's really stunning. or that guy's handsome or whatever they might say and you say, oh, he's, you know, he's gay. You try to like write it off. Yeah. Right.

And then the same thing with some of these sports that we might not be good at. I mean, high rocks looks to be tremendously challenging. And CrossFit presented challenges that really just people haven't had to deal with in a gym setting before. Yeah. It was like asking you to do multiple things. Like, okay, that's cool that you can front squat that weight. But what about doing these, you know, doing muscle ups on, on, on, uh, some gymnastics rings.

With your experience with, you know, delving into a lot of this and then, you know, maybe later on, you're gonna get into some high rocks. What do you think has moved the needle for you the most? What has been something that, like what's sticking with you? What are you still, like do you still do some crossfit workouts? Do you still do bodybuilding? Is there some power lifting still mixed in there?

Like, is there elements of each thing that still sticks? Or did you get rid of a lot of these things? Because you just found they didn't work well for you. I think to give the best answer is my curiosity as it comes to movement, lines up very well with my ADHD, which is, I'm going to take a step back on that. We were, I don't know if you're in the same boat, but I was like a pioneer before there was IEPs and everyone thought that ADHD was cool or being neurodivergent was cool. I was of the school where it was like you were not cool and there was a lot of problems.

So props to where we're getting that now. I'm old enough to where I didn't even have a label. I was just labeled, retarded, and that was that. And what's funny is that I saw this thing and I thought about you and me as well. It's like, isn't it funny that the kids that used to get kicked out of class are now running a bunch of things? So I'm not saying that in an arrogant way as much as it was like a funny thing where I think with curiosity, to answer your question, with curiosity towards being better and pursuing being stronger, I think that. that in the easiest context, strength is just lifting something. But if you think about what it means to acquire strength or lifting something, it's discipline, consistency. Like you said,

you were doing 500 for time. You'd built up to that. I think what getting stronger teaches you in the gym, getting back to what I have always based on, is the consistency of showing up and trying to be better. I think that's what's been my biggest key to the diversity of things I'm able to do. And actually placing and doing well on things is when I commit to, a process, the process of training is a non-negotiable. So there might be times where I might be a little bit leaner because I'm doing more running. There might be times where a little bit heavier because I'm focused more on lifting. I give myself a range that I try to keep myself within body fat percentage wise. But at the end of the day, I never want to say that I can't do something. And whether it's jujitsu

or any other thing that I'm trying, my answer to everyone and it's part of my competitive nature is you're not better than me. I just haven't learned it yet. And I think that if I keep that mentality, it allows you not to be fearful of your opponent, fearful of the outcome, because everything becomes an element of play and self-discovery. And in that aspect, you're better than me right now just because you know more. But if I just don't know what you're grabbing or what's going on, it wasn't that you're better than me. You just know more, right? I think when people start to focus on their true strength, which is the ability to be consistent, show up and be available for learning, that's a big game changer for anyone, whatever they're pursuing.

There is sometimes, though, where someone is better than you, where they haven't found it. I'm just kidding. Where like, well, you could have a bunch of knowledge on like jumping, right? Yeah. And maybe someone can jump through the roof. You could have a lot of knowledge, you know, as much CrossFit as you did, you didn't win the CrossFit games, right? Like it's, it stops somewhere and you end up with a situation where the knowledge isn't the only thing. There's genetic components.

There's like epigenetic components. Sure. our surroundings, what you grew up with, your size, your weight. But like one of the reasons why I have in a show today is like there's multiple reasons, but one of the reasons is I like to bring people on that are doing a lot of different things that look different. Like you're not short. You're what, six, three?

Yeah. You're six three. And then what's your body weight? I'm 225 hours of this morning. So everybody like people love to use that as an excuse. I mean that the height is a great lifting excuse like, oh, I'm just going to be, you know, I got long arms. So I can't bench and I can't clean and I can't do, you know, I can't do these exercises.

And you built up a lot of strength. And then on the other side of that, it can't run. You know, and you've probably been running at 240, 2.30, 2.30, 2.25. Easy. All these different weights. And it's just, I just think it's great to kind of point out to people. It's just an excuse. Okay, maybe the guy that's 240, maybe he has to have a little bit different strategy.

Maybe he's got to think about things a little differently. Maybe it's going to take him a little longer. But as you're saying, if you start to gain the knowledge and you start to understand how your body operates and what's going to work best for you, you should be in a great position. Yeah, no, I agree with that. And something that I kind of remembered when you were talking and you were talking about putting yourself in a position to be successful and is someone better than you? There could be. There could be genetics involved. And yes, like from a scientific perspective there is.

But one thing that you told me, this must have been nine, 10 years ago. We were at your house and we're having a conversation. and you said, Charlie, remember, no one can be you, right? You're like, if people try to compete with being you, there's a problem because only you can be the best version of you. So when I get back to like, I don't think anyone can be better than me. No one can be better than me, me doing those things. Right.

And that gets back to, yeah, I've ran at 240. It's not fun, but I got down to 225. It feels a lot better. Feels even better at 205, but at 205 I don't feel strong. So I compromise. I'll push my weight up. that maybe my times aren't as fast, but I also like being able to just slam around 100-pound dumbbells, right? So I think those gives and takes are a big deal, but I think that getting back to it,

what is the best that you can do? Of course, am I going to go to cross-fit games? Probably not. Never, right? Is that my goal? At one point it was, and I didn't make it, right, with the team. But I didn't keep myself out of the running or trying. And I think that's the big thing, right? Are you putting yourself in environments to see how far can I take it? Maybe you can be someone that's better than you because they're not willing to be as tough. And also maybe you don't, maybe you don't beat somebody on some of the wads, but maybe you beat somebody on a clean of jerk.

Absolutely. Maybe you beat someone on a overhead squat or whatever. You know, you kind of take these, you take these kind of smaller victories and you take pride in what you're doing. You try to do it the best that you possibly can. You know, I know, I think when you were doing Olympic lifting,

your best clean and clean was like 350 or something like that, right? 380. 380 yeah and then I clean and jerk three I believe it was like 3702 or 375 in competition snatched over 300 in competition getting back to that another buddy of ours Dave spitz I remember one day I'm lifting on the platforms I'm going there for Friday night maxouts and it was like he was being encouraging in a Dave spitz way I guess he came up and I missed the lift and he goes you know seems my language but he goes what the fuck are you doing and I was like I'm lifted man like I'm here it's Friday night it's max out Friday I'm with cal strength he's like

Charlie, you're a horrible weightlifter. He's like, but you can be one of the best in the world at business. Focus on your business. And I go, all right, well, we still got clean jerk after this. I'm just still going to keep living because like, I know what you're saying, but this is fun, right? Yeah. And I get back to that sometimes and it's like also knowing who you are. Yeah, I might not be the best at Olympic weightlifting.

I could put up some decent numbers when I was doing it. But at the end of the day, I also think it's still important to do things because they make you happy and they're fun. Right. So I think that that's kind of a big deal too. It's like, yeah, I could beat certain people in certain things, but also the diversity you have as a person is not always just expressed physically. And that took me a long time to figure out, unfortunately, because I'm pretty simple. But a lot of my worth was in my physical ability.

And it wasn't until I had a good realization with my faith that I'm much more than my physical actions. The ability to make an impact to be a good friend, obviously a good husband and good father, I'm hoping. That's what they assume of me. But then also like my ability to use platforms, right, to create opportunities to further things that are bigger than me. Those things are important. And like if you undermine how important those things are, we can get so focused on what our numbers are, not focus on what's even bigger, which is human connection. What do you mean by simple, saying that you're simple? Oh, man. How did I express that?

you just said well i'm i'm i'm you just said you're pretty like a simple person and like uh what i think of well when i think of you i don't necessarily think of you as simple i think of you as somebody that is uh like a pit bull like i i think of you as like like a pit bull is going to you know if it if it's pissed off it's going to go after something and it's not going to let go or like a collegiate wrestler like a collegiate wrestler they they go for a double leg and they only end up with a single leg, but they're still going to keep going for your foot, going for your foot. And eventually they'll probably end up getting something. Yeah.

That's what I think of. I think of you, you're very, like, tenacious. And maybe you felt that maybe you were lacking somewhere else and maybe you feel like you're simple or maybe not as smart or whatever those situations are. Yeah. And maybe you made up for it through hard work. Where do you think some of the mindset came from or developed? Did it develop when you were, you have a brother?

Yeah. Five. So that. So brothers. Yeah. That helps a lot. Is that something that kind of developed through your childhood or where did that come from? Yeah, I think I could better answer the simple question.

Now, I guess simplicity is understanding your why. And so the diversity of how I express myself is all over the place sometimes, right? And yes, I would say, I appreciate that. I am known for being very resilient and with high drive. Like, I will not quit until I figure it out. but if you think about learning styles, that's how I had to learn. Right. So what's interesting about that process, sorry, I'm like processing a lot without trying to get emotional.

Like what's interesting about that process is I think you have to know like what your why is. And so I made a post the other day. It was talking about my grandfather and like what he had to do to get here to the states. Right. And so everyone's family is going to have a unique story or some form of a unique story. So it's not to undermine other people or to say that my life is hard. in any way, but perspective is reality. So my last name is Amora. I got that from my father. He got it from his father. My grandfather was from the Philippines, lived there. He had three children and a wife.

He was like number one of his school or number two in his school. The top three got a working visa to come to the states and try to make it. So he leaves briefcase, a couple hundred bucks, looking for a job, right? So he comes in. As he's going, he basically creates an opportunity for himself gets a job, makes money, gets an apartment, gets a home, brings the family over, does all this, right? And I thought about that sometimes and I think about like, man, I had none of that, right? I had none of that hard stuff to kind of like work through or process through. And he figured it out. And to this day is like recently in hospice care, he's had some falseness of things happen. But even watching him through that process,

he will not use a walker. It's like I will stand up, almost like when you fell with the squat. He's like, that's the mentality. Like, he doesn't want anyone to help him. He still wants to do everything on his own. I mean, shoot, if we let him drive, he probably would. Not safe. But it's one of those things where I like, all I've ever seen from him is that work ethic. Like, that's just out resounding. Like, that's what we do. My father, work ethic. I would wake up, he was ready at work. I'd get home at night. He was already work. I mean, like, there's just so many times where I saw in a weird way, that's just like what we do, right? If you carry this last name, you're a hard worker, you fall through, you get things done. So that's one thing, right? So that's

going to be on my, what I'll say like, like my earthly father, right, and my grandfather, like my lineage. And then you start to walk into my faith. And I think this is something that I wouldn't say that I've kept a secret. I think people know that I have a faith. But I think that I've never expressed it this way in any one of these platforms. And it wasn't because I wanted to hide it as much as it was not wanting to be someone that off put others to do it. I think that the evangelicals, if you would, the people that are like kind of out and God bless them for doing what they're doing. But the whole like attacking maybe the person and saying that you need something is not my way of giving a message. I've always been told, you know, you should do everything

through love, the love that's expressed to you by God. You should extend that to other people. and if you're living a life in a way that would draw people closer, that they would see those actions, hopefully, of God in you, and that you would live a compelling enough life where people would ask questions because they'd see, quote, unquote, the light of your life, right? And so I've always had a hard time of trying to figure out how I was going to be able to bring up those conversations

or how they'd be received, but also there's this burden of not wanting to do it wrong, because if we're talking about eternal salvation, that's a pretty heavy thing to screw up, right? And so for me, when we're looking at faith, and talking about me being simple or talking about where my drive comes from, yes, in this world, my father, my grandfather have laid a great platform of what it means to be as a more man, right? Like to do those things. But then there's this verse in the Bible that's super cool. And it's

Jesus as he's going to Bethlehem, or excuse me, he's going to Jerusalem. He's going into Jerusalem. And the context, I'd have to get the verse for you. He's sitting basically on a horse or donkey that he's writing and the context of the verse is basically saying he turns backwards and tells all of his disciples and all these people that are following his followers at this time today we go to jerusalem and like in it of itself that doesn't sound too crazy right now whether people have faith or not or believe this or not he did exist and these things did happen you could dispute if you want um you know the rising of Christ. That's where people kind of get hung up.

That's okay. Everyone has to walk through that. But as a person, Jesus did live in a lot of the accordance in the Bible that's confirmed it happened. So he turns around and he says, today we go into Jerusalem and he has his followers. So what do I see?

So I paint this picture. Here Jesus is as a leader. He's in front. Right? And these people are following him. That's already a big responsibility. You have like just 12 people, all these people following him.

But the context of what was happening is he was going into Jerusalem to seek out the mission that was given to him before he was even born, which was to be beaten, spit on, called a liar, crucified, and killed, and the whole time be committed to showing these people compassion and love and dying for them. Could you imagine? Like, I've done two MMA, I've done a lot of crazy stuff. I've done two M&A fights, and I remember the first time I was going to walk out to that cage was at Conocon. Dye Harbor. It was a mess. And I'm walking out and I remember walking out getting into that cage and knowing like, man, today at 5 p.m. I'm fighting. Like the guy didn't say anything about my wife.

I was married at the time. Like you have no instigation of anger, right? I just know I'm walking into this cage and I'm fight another human. And I remember when they shut that cage to this day, I could hear that lock. And I look over a guy looks just like Jeff Munson that was there with his damn biker gang, right? And I'm like, I guess I fight this. die and if I win, I win, if I lose, I lose, but I ain't leaving unless we fight, right? I remember the nerves I had for that. Could you imagine where Jesus was knowing that like you're going to die and do those things? And so when I do anything that's hard, whether it's in life, work, or business, I remember the person that I've given my life to and the person that I follow, he signed up for that,

that level of commitment to his mission. You want to talk about a real man? You're willing to die? He did. And he did it for people at the time that didn't even care for him or like. And he still loved them in spite of that. So when I say I'm simple, how hard is it for me to try to do a good job, to work hard, to try to be a good person when on the earthly side my family is known for having hardworking men that get the job done no matter what, no matter how they feel or what's going on. They figured out. And then on the spiritual side, you know, my heavenly father committed his life form.

me so that I could have the autonomy to live this life and have everlasting life and he faced persecution not persecution but death my life's not that hard if you start thinking that context so my ability to power through things is only amplified with knowing what came before me and when you know what came before you and what the stage looks like then you go okay the more you and sorry i'm turning this into a Bible thing but or maybe I'm not um the more you read the Bible and you go through proverbs and you go through some of these books and you look at what it looks like to acquire wisdom, a lot of the biblical principles are a death to self, right, of self-want. We're talking about this with fasting or different things.

And it becomes, you know, something like what our tone is for the academy coming up. So I'm all over the place. We have a fire academy coming up, Academy 261. And our ethos for PT is going to be how you feel doesn't change what we have to do. right and the whole thing is is like some days if you're ruled by emotion or how you feel or hey mark piss me off it's like okay so i'm going to fight that with more negative energy well what is what does what does god call me to do no matter what i should express love to this person i should care for this person i should not let my emotions control me same thing with nutrition same thing with training same

thing with life and so when i start looking at the principles of the bible and i look at what has been said and what's been done and what is the truth you realize it's really easy to work hard it's really easy to be positive because you have the playbook. It's really easy to go into a game when you have the playbook. But if you don't study the playbook and you don't have a belief in the coach, I can see how it'd be very scary, right? And as soon as I committed to the coach and his playbook, I know what I'm running.

I know we win, right? And that becomes a lot easier for me to walk through things that are inherently difficult because the level of difficult they are are not in comparison, but also I don't have to go through it alone. Someone might let me down, even my wife. I love her to death, but she's a human. She could let me down, something can happen. When you have this relationship with God and it's fulfilling your life and you know that

there's unconditional love no matter what you got going on, God's going to be there for you. To walk through very hard things becomes, I wouldn't say it becomes very easy, but it becomes more comforting because you have this acceptance or acknowledgement that in spite of your your issues, your differences, you have this love for you that's going to help you prevail through, but there's also this empathy that knows you're going to screw up. Because if you weren't going to screw up, you wouldn't have had to die. Right. So there's a tradeoff for those things. You know, I've spent a lot of time with you and we've had conversations and, you know, I've had a lot of conversations, you know, I love your mother. I've had a lot of conversations with her and stuff

like this. And I know, you know, a lot of these things in these biblical principles, I had a good friend who said, you know, even if I don't believe in it, a lot of things they say are good. So I should probably do that anyways. And I'm like, yeah, man, if that's where you're at, I'm cool with it, you know. But I get to what I started with is I never want anyone to ever feel like I'm forcing them to do something. It's like a relationship. You don't want someone to love you because you made them love you. You want someone to love something or someone because they feel compelled that they feel loved. And I think that's the best way to kind of reach people. You're mentioning like a death of oneself. You know, that's something that I think people experience that. I think many people

experience that. Maybe not everyone goes through it, but I think people experience that as they've like mature. And then you hear people also talk about that in a sense of when they do. like mushrooms or they do psychedelics. There's a death of like your ego, right? But then if you take it into fitness and you take it into working out, you say, I could say, oh my God, dude, you got to check out this workout that I did. I totally killed myself on it. Yeah.

Like we talk that way a lot and I think that is what we're doing. I think we are, we're trying to kill off certain parts of ourselves. and even like even learning learning to me feels like uh learning to me feels like some sort of burning sensation like some sort of electrical connection of like one side of the brain to the other i don't have any proof or evidence of any of this stuff but it's just like the way stuff works out in my head uh that all of a sudden these things like they connect and where they weren't connected before you show me something with a arm bar or something yeah and you show me time and time and time again and you know a week goes by too it's like just

doesn't click but then for some reason you know maybe somebody else mentioned something slightly different a slightly different way and that part clicks with me and now we're rolling and then I do the arm bar to you and you're like holy shit yeah you know you you it worked right and I think we're trying to like we're always trying to learn and grow and all that stuff but well as we're learning and growing we're also trying to like sleth off some of this junk some of this garbage some of the way that we used to behave uh we're we're literally trying to kill that off off. What do you think of that? I agree. I mean, just sticking with the same tone and sentiment I've been speaking with, Paul, who wrote a lot of the books in the Bible, there's at one point, and I'm

probably misquoting this, but he basically says, like, I know I'm sinning and I even know that it's wrong, but I keep doing it. And it's a human condition, right? But I think the acknowledgement that there is something that is inhibiting me from growth, maturity, any way that you'd want to prosper in a way to manifest being a better version of yourself. It's not that we're going to remove that completely, but I think the first part of that is identifying that it needs to be removed. So you're constantly trying. And if one workout, we killed it and got rid of it, it'd be gone. But guess what? That's not how it works. But you also need nutrition. You also going to need these things. And then it starts open your eyes to more ways that you can facilitate betting yourself. And I think,

yeah, whether it's ayahuasca or going down to Mexico or, you know, finding Jesus, whatever it is that people are kind of looking for, the void cannot be filled by things. They have to be filled by fulfillment and fulfillment. It feels like they can be. Oh, come on, man. Like, I have a nice truck, right? And I got that truck because I've always thought that truck was cool and I find enough money to buy it. And then as soon as I buy it, I think about all the things I could then put on that truck. And I like, you know, 12 year old me would have just been happy to have the truck. And so you still fall into it, right? And it's to say that I don't sometimes is a lie.

But I also think, you know, getting back to points on the scoreboard or doing things because you enjoy the process. If having a nice truck is the byproduct of working really hard and I can facilitate getting something that I enjoy, that's not the problem. If that truck is my identity, I think that's where you start. to have those problems, right? Of like wanting things to fulfill that. I think there's really cool stuff you could do for yourself later in life. Like as a kid, I didn't have it. It'd be cool to have it or share this with my kids.

I don't think there's a problem with that. But I think the accumulation of things to fulfill a void that only God can, it's hard. I mean, Dionne Sanders, one of the greatest athletes of all time, he has a lot of conversations about when he was prime, the guy, and doing everything. He had everything. He was the most depressed and thinking about suicide. And it was only through a re-invigoration with his relationship with God that those things got fixed. Now you're talking about the guy at the time could be with anyone, do anything, had everything,

height of everything. So this is the pinnacle, right, of like popularity, international figure, two sports, home run, touchdown, same game. Depressed. Just proves it like, and that's not maybe for everybody, but it proves that like if you're trying to find those things through those things, there's always something that will be yearning in you for some form of connection of relationship that's deeper than what the world provides. And at the end of the day, if you take a deep dive, you're going to throw my raptor in my grave?

Can't. Maybe give it to one of my boys, right? And you could pass things on. There's that side of it. I'm not completely ignorant that you can set yourself up and set your family up. But at the same time, what are you doing with your time? Right? How are you setting those things up?

How does it facilitate the conversations you're having, the relationships you're having, the development of you as a person, development of you as your family. I think it's just an ever-sliding scale of finding fulfillment through doing things that provide value, not getting something because it has a meaning. I think some of these things, like they kind of like, they're fun and they kind of occupy your time, maybe occupy your mind a little bit. Yeah. But they don't really like occupy your heart.

you know that's maybe the best way to say it different it's a different like pulse right it's like a different it's a whole different energy uh when you're trying to when you're thinking about things to when you think about like fulfillment you know and things to fulfill you it's yeah you can have both you can you can have money fulfill you you can have muscles fulfill you uh you can have all these things that that fill you up and make you feel good um but those are everything's everything's temporary. Yes. You know, and you ultimately, I think what you recognize in this world, and I think it might be the reason why you're seeing so much faith pop up on more podcasts, people talking about religion a lot more. The people that are podcasting are getting older. And I think ultimately what

you realize in this world is that you do go through this world by yourself, even if you have a significant other, and even if you have children. Yeah. Those are all things. that I think that you're trying to do. And it's a, and it's, uh, um, it's an illusion that you're going through this life with somebody else.

Yes, you are partially. Uh, but what did you say earlier about your running? About when you go on like a long run. Oh yeah. It was the first time ever I was by myself for that long in my own head. It was the ultras eight hours and I never have that kind of time.

And what if you were, what if at that moment you were a horrible person? Like that's a, that's not. that's not a good feeling. No. And people have that. People have, when people talk about being lonely, I think that's what they're, I think that's

what they're talking about. Yeah. And it's a mean thing to say because I, you know, I feel very fortunate, you know, meeting my wife and just, I just feel very fortunate in my life. Same. Period. But the only people that can be lonely are people that are uncomfortable with being with themselves.

Yeah. You know, so it's like, man, well, how do you be more comfortable with you? It's actually very challenging. I'm not saying that it's easy. No. It's very challenging. Even through faith, you're going to probably find that hanging out with yourself might not be your favorite thing to do. Yeah.

And that's why we need stuff. You need music. Something's blasting. Oh, I'm going to listen to this podcast. Yeah. I'm going to listen to this other person's story. I'm going to listen to this book. You know, I'm listening to this book because I like books because it's education.

It's going to help advance me to help get me better. And yeah, that's probably true. But it also is something just to kind of like. like occupy the fact that you're on this planet by yourself. I think maybe through faith, you have another person with you. I would say you do. Yeah. And as you go through that process, I think that, you know, when people say I was in my head,

you're in your head all the time, right? And one of the things that I've heard before is don't listen to yourself, talk to yourself, right? So a lot of times your brain's going to say some pretty wild stuff. You know, it's a part of my. Yeah, what would happen if I just punch this guy in the back of the head as hard as I could while I'm waiting in line for coffee? Why, why does that? I wasn't going to go there, but those are one of the ones I was talking about.

It's like, oh, you know, it would be fun. What if I just grab this guy and just threw him all that camera? Yeah. I don't know why. It's almost the same guy, too. Yeah. Well, I'm glad you actually had me on today, which is very kind of you working on your empathy. And when you say that, you know, the podcast was getting older.

When I met you, I'll tell you this, that Mark 16 years ago looked older than. the mark I see today. So you're doing the right things. I appreciate it. You're doing the right things. The other mark was really strong and you're still strong, but the other mark, I don't know the lifespan of that guy. Oh, no, he wasn't not hanging around for much longer. Yeah, so I was lucky that I made a quick turn. And we'll talk about that in a minute too, I think. I'm glad this marks around. Making a, you know, just switching gears. You know, I think switching gears before you're kind of forced to. I think it's important, whether it's in business, relationship, And that might, it doesn't always mean you have to necessarily completely change everything.

But there does have to probably be some conversations that aren't easy. Probably do need to like go to your wife and talk to her very specifically about something that is really bothering you or something that you think is not working out. Because if if that's not worked out, there's going to be a change that's probably going to happen. That's going to be harder than if you just talked about. or worked on it first. And I know you had to do that a bunch of times with your career. So maybe fill us in a little bit on that because I know you have your own gyms and stuff like that and you have for a long time. Yeah. And I remember like maybe just a couple months ago hearing like, oh, he's, you know, shut his gym down. He's doing this. And I shut my gym down

and maybe a few years ago. But it's interesting because people are like they kind of think it's like a failure of some sort, even though my gym was my gym was free. And I had it for 10 years. Yeah. So it's like your gym wasn't a failure. You moved on to work on doing something else. You provided a service for the community for a really long time that was tremendously successful that impacted hundreds of people.

And then those hundreds of people go home every day and impact their family. And so you impacted that community so strongly. And so it's not, I think sometimes people just think, oh, it's probably just a, you know, they just ran out of money, you know. They couldn't handle it anymore. And it's not necessarily just like that. The best part about the opinions of others is when they're not shaped or rooted in the opportunity to have the conversation with the one that they're having them about, right?

You want to know what's going on. Give me a call. Right. Right. And those that don't, that's okay. That's fine. And what I've also learned getting back to that simplicity is, is I cannot change the thoughts anyone else. The only person I can control is myself, right? My attitude, my effort.

And there are sometimes, you know, all that to get out of the bag on some stuff, I am saved by grace and I love Jesus, but I am hyper competitive and I am very driven. So one of the things that I deal with that's the hardest thing for me is wanting the best for everyone else, by simultaneously wanting to kick everyone's ass. So it's this thing that God's been working on my heart for a long time. But getting back to it, what I focus on is, is, is that I'm understanding that I have to be the best at what I do. So sometimes my wife will come to me and say, hey, you know, I heard that someone's saying this about what's going on with their business or this Jim saying that or this person is saying this and that. And my first answer is how does that help us?

Right. And it's not to shut her down. I love her. None of this would even work if I didn't have her. But I just try to be so mission focused that the only thing that I'm really focused on is not what others are doing in my community or my sphere. But if I believe I only compete with myself personally, but also I feel that way in business, then I don't have to worry about what other people are doing. Sometimes they'll still creep in. But my focus is, is what's most effective for the reason why I have this business? Well, I want to make people stronger spiritually, mentally, and physically. What's my greatest opportunity to do that? Okay. What's my gift? Communication, leadership. up helping others personal development. I can do those things, right? Specifically, I've utilized fitness

as that key interest of doing that. I'm an organizer. I'm a connector. I do those things. Okay, well, if that's my skill set, how it's expressed might change. And your inability to evolve is also a, in my mind, a missed opportunity for potential expiration, right? And for me, I don't know, I might have been with Columbus on that boat and been like, let's see if there's something out there, right? Like I want to sail. I want to go out there. I want to do it. I want to try. But also at the same time, I have to have the why. And why do I want to do it? I want to help people, right? The gift that God gave me loving people, helping them develop and be stronger and do those things, just because I've only done it one way before doesn't mean I can't do it other ways later.

So if you look at my career in fitness, and I'll give the super short version because I talk a lot. The super short version, mom and dad meeting a gym, right? Dad was the gym manager. Mom was aerobics instructor, right? Mom and dad end up with me and end up, you know, married. God bless them, right? So there's pictures of me less than two months old with, you know, on an inclined bench. Like, this is my life.

So I tell people, it's not that I'm really that good. I just all I've ever done since before I could even want. You know, I don't put up back then. I was kidding. I don't, you know, I don't know. There's some stories. No. But, you know, I've always been enamored by the opportunity for getting people together of all

different kinds. People very much intrigued me. I don't even care who you are, what you like or what's going on. I want to know more about you. Like I'm like, people to me are super cool. And fitness has always been the outlet to not only learn more about them, but help them all coexist. Right.

And lifting is one of the coolest things. You can go into a meet for powerlifting. And yes, you're going to have some similar people. but like you might have one guy's an IT, the other guy's a prison guard, the other guy, you know, is a family of five and he's just doing this on the weekends. Those stories are so cool to me, but one thing brought them together. So fitness has been this really cool catalyst for bringing people together and I love it, right? So that's what I do. So if mom and dad meet in a gym, I'm born basically in a gym, I progress. I'll give you another funny story. I'm, you know, one or two years old. My mom's

teaching step aerobics. It's early 90s. They said they would put a bouncer in the middle of the door jam, and I would jump while she was teaching classes. Probably why beats per minute are a big thing to me, right? But like I just kind of grew up in it. And then from there, you know, when I was younger, I always wanted to go with my dad in the summers. And he owned a gym at the time. And so I would wake up and the gym was in Folsom,

but he opened at five. So guess what time I woke up? Four. I've been waking up at four since I've been probably 10, 11 years old. I don't remember what the timeline was, but I want to be on the gym because turning on the lights, getting the registers started, getting the doors open, seeing the first person to come.

come in, greeting someone, watching, you know, someone put that, it sounds so burly, but like, put that first 45 on and you could just hear it. You're just like, all right, this is where I want to be. I knew I had to get here early today because I knew that you would be here early. I got here about 35 minutes early. Yeah. And you were parked already in the front. I love it. So, you know, I would do that. And that's where I learned a lot of my people skills. My dad would have me work the front desk. And so I'd start knowing what people wanted to drink. I start knowing there's different things. I also have an affinity for stacking plates right because whenever he wanted to be busy,

he would make me fix all the weight trees. And I think I've spoken to this before maybe years ago on the podcast. But from there, basically in high school, my dad had like own and operated gym, sold gyms. He had stuff going on, right? But the training was always a part of our life. And at one point, you know, I'm working in Galt of all places. And I'm running a gym from there. And then from there, I end up working with my uncle.

but always in fitness, right? I had summer jobs doing other stuff, but it was always in fitness. Then at one point, I'm doing like high-in PT with one of my other uncles. All my uncles are in fitness as well. So I'm doing high-in-P-T. Then I end up getting something happened with his business.

I end up getting a job at any-time fitness. At that any-time fitness, I don't know anybody. I go in there and I just tell them like, hey, you need to give me a job. Like, I'll crush it. And they're like, okay. And right as I'm asking for a job,

some guys like death racked a bench. So it's like on his neck. I run over there, lift the bar out of him, make sure he's okay, strip it down. I think she saw my people skills. And so with that, she thought she was going to play me. So shout out to Melissa for this. But she was cool, we won't pay you, but there's a book over there. And it's everyone that's ever came into the gym.

They all are given what we call a fit start. It's a 30-minute PT session. You'll do those for free, but we'll let you call as many people as you want, and then you can turn them into personal training clients. in less than I think three months, I outgrossed the gym and PT than what they were bringing in monthly for the gym and just crushed it, right?

And then she's like, oh, I'm like, I've been, I know what to do, right? I didn't tell her much, but I was like, oh, that was dumb. You just gave me 600 leads to people that all need a session to spend one 30-minute session with me. Like, I'm going to smash this. So from there, I realized, okay, I got a gift.

So then I moved into management within, within there. Then from there, I end up, get introduced to CrossFit. The owner at the time is like, hey, there's a new thing called CrossFit. There's a workout called Fran. You should try it. I'm like, what do we do? Like, you compete working out.

I'm like, and die. And I'm like, this is cool. He's like, hey, do you think you could run this too? Help me run this? And I'm like, yeah, well, I got nothing but time, right? I'm going to school, figuring all that out. So I'm like managing PT at the gym, helping run the gym, helping basically develop a CrossFit gym in like early 2009.

And then I was like, you know what I should do? I should open up my own business. That'd be smart because I can do stuff for myself. So then I start my own business. Now I'm doing all those things and going to school. And then I had a teacher tell me, the shorter version is, is that I would never be successful as an entrepreneur

and that I needed to get a safe job and my ideas of running a business were stupid. And then I politely told her to go kick rocks. And that was the last day I was in school. And I gave my like Tim Tebow speech of like, you will never see a player, work so hard. You know, I guess like this whole day, right? And so then I end up dropping everything, going 100% in on my business,

starting Warriors Fitness in 2010. We started as athletic training development. We were doing boot camps and parks. Misha was only going to marry me if I graduated school. I'm like, well, we'll really see if you love me because I'm done with that shit. Right. Then best deal I've ever done was get her to marry me. Second best deal is I convinced her to quit her job.

That's a whole separate podcast. I got to figure out how you figured that. Yeah. I got her to quit her. job work with me she comes in to work with me when i never get in her first building she goes show me your books and i point to like strength and conditioning manuals she goes no like your your your books and i was like oh here's the account she's like you have no money in your account and i was like i know she goes how do you pay for things i was like by the end of the month i just make it happen

she goes that is no longer our plan right so misha comes in early like 2010 11 this The business is a complete 180 on all of that administrative stuff. I mean, she went to college and had a business degree in HR and business management. So like, I'll drink to that. Same with my wife. Yeah. So like, and that's, it's the perfect dynamic for us, right? Perfect.

And you and Andy are great dynamic with that. It's like, okay, look, I can create a lot of things. I can do a lot of things, build a lot of things. And like, it might not make sense. My processes. But I need you to cover us that we're doing everything right. But also I know you're going to have input because you know how I think. And then how does this work in the real world based upon my.

building a rocket ship thing, right? And you're going to be like, well, do you have gas? And you're like, oh, gas is a good idea. That's probably how we're going to have to fuel this thing, right? Like, yeah, okay, did you get flight plans? I was just going to send it to the moon, right? So it's kind of cool that we have that relationship. So from there, we started doing all this crazy stuff,

become CrossFit affiliates, started doing powerlifting meets, running to you, do all this stuff. So then basically we're running that business for the last, you know, 2010, 2013, I started caffeine in kilos, was there until 2016, sold that business, came and worked with you, which opened my eyes to a lot of things in the fitness world. We were able to do a lot of really cool stuff together. And that was basically 15 through almost 17, or probably the end of 16. I was there for about a year, year and a half. It's some really cool stuff there, which really developed me as a person. And a lot of- We were doing a lot of stuff that like, I mean, we were

doing a lot of media. Crazy media. If you remember, like, we were, We were filming like everything and we were doing a lot of stuff like influencers and we were going to all those trade shows and then for people that don't know Charlie at all. Charlie is the guy that has a strategy of just confusing people and then getting his way. So like we would go to like the Arnold Classic and you would walk up to like whoever you thought was in charge because you know you can kind of tell like who's in charge, right? And you know we're trying to keep things on the cheap in terms of like bringing stuff in. you know, because everything's like unionized and you got to pay the union guys all kinds of money.

And we obviously did that. But you have, you know, we're also trying to bring in some other stuff. So it doesn't get too pricey. And and then you would, you would like talk to the guy and you'd like, hey, is John here? You know, because, yeah, John was the guy that he mentioned, you know, we could come through here. We just, we just got a couple, couple things with us, not a big deal. And the guy would be like, oh, you're talking about, you're talking about Bob. Oh yeah, Bob.

Yeah, yeah, Bob, right? And then like maybe the next day we would like run into Bob, you know, all these weird circumstances and you getting me like up on the stage. Remember that. Positioning me next to like Arnold and positioning me next to like Brian Shaw and stuff. And you're tall and you're a big guy. So you're able just to kind of like plow through the crowd as if you were some sort of like security. And I'm like, I think I also told people I was security at one point.

There's a lot of things I did. I was like, what's the deal with this guy? This guy's amazing. You know, one of my buddies. Jeff Whitmer, his father goes, you know what I like Charlie? That guy's a bulldozer, man. He just, if he wants to get something done, he's going to figure it out. But getting back to that, that was, I mean, one of the times that we were doing media,

I brought my brother with me, you cleared it. You said, I want to be my brother to see what we do for work. My brother said, I will never go work with you ever again. In less than 48 hours, we were in L.A. and back. And in the time we were in L.A., we met with C.T. Fletcher. We met with Heath. You went to, did a full workout with C.T. meet with Heath met with your brother, went to Golds, trained there.

We saw, like, eight podcasts. Eight podcasts there. Went to Gunner's house. Went to his Beverly Hills location, played basketball, went to a basketball game. But you told us about the Rolls Royce party that he had? He had like the Rolls Royce. They just drop him cranes in his backyard. From a, they would fly him in from a helicopter.

Yeah. And I was just like. And drop Rolls Royces in his back car. We're like, where are we? What's going on here? My brother, I tell us all the time. My brother goes, And this is the part of the story that no one believes.

And he goes, yeah. And then his wife shows up, Gunner's wife shows up from Nobu with sliders saying they were for us. And the guy, she was with the Prince of Guitar. I'm like, yeah, you can't make that up. That's exactly what happened. And that was the best burger I've ever had in my life. I know. And I'm sitting here like at that time, everyone like wants to eat there.

And like we're just getting stuff delivered. These like little tiny sliders like $125 each each. We ate like 10 of them. My brother's like, I don't know what you do, what your friends do. He's like, I can't handle that kind of schedule ever again. And I love my brother. And he's awesome, but it was like life changing. I'm like, yeah, dude, that's like 48 hours of Mark.

And I did that for a time. I got a speech from Andy. I was like, you know, so she's like, man, I don't think you should do that much stuff like that. I was like, oh, why? I can handle it. I'm fine. She's like, but the employees are getting killed. Oh, I was like, oh, yeah, we are kind of killing everybody.

Maybe slow down a little bit. But the cool thing is, is I think if you ask anyone that was there at that time, even if it was challenging, so is climbing Everest. Yeah. Right. But when you've done it, you're like, dude, that was cool. Right. And I think that was a really cool part of my career of like building out those expos.

We did. Those times are exciting because, you know, you're kind of like, you're working towards like the unknown. Yeah. I'm not sure why you're doing this or why you're working so hard. You just know that it's fun. Yeah. And you feel like it's progress. And so you just kind of keep doing it.

And it was just, yeah, it was a remarkable time. Yeah. Oh, there was a seminar in there too, by the way. Yeah, a lifting seminar. I will never go to a doctor ever again about my general health. All they want to do is put you on pills. Really well said there by Dana White. Couldn't agree with them more. A lot of us are just trying to get jacked and tan. A lot of us just want to look good, feel good. And a lot of the symptoms that we might acquire as we get older, some of the things that we might have high cholesterol or these various things. It's amazing to have somebody looking at your blood work as you're going through. through the process as you're trying to become a better athlete, somebody that knows what they're doing. They can look at your cholesterol. They can look at the various markers that you have, and they can kind of see where you're at,

and they can help guide you through that. And there's a few aspects, too, where it's like, yes, I mean, no, no shades of doctors, but a lot of times they do want to just stick you on medication. A lot of times there is supplementation that can help with this. Merrick Health, these patient care coordinators are going to also look at the way you're living your lifestyle, because there's a lot of things you might be doing

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So I had that time with you. And then at that point, we cut a part of ways. And I got into contract work with the city of Elk Grove and then decided I wanted to get into golf. So I started a podcast and apparel company in golf. Solidified the contract. And it got into contract work. And then the podcast led me into producing a television show on NBC Sports for like four or five years. and doing a bunch of stuff on film,

which was new and different. And then I realized that was awesome, but I can't just go all over the world, even though we were working, doing golf stuff because I had miles and then we were about to have Milo. And you never did turn into a good golfer. No, I've always sucked. Yeah, I can keep pace of play,

but all my friends are upset that actually golfed that I've got to play the places that I've played. They're like, you don't even know what you're doing. You suck. And I said, you know what? I'm having a good time. They're like, whatever, dude. It's kind of great because you told me that.

You're like, I don't know. Like, I don't know what the deal is, but it's never got good at this. And I'm like, that's rare for you to say that because you're usually put, especially anything physical. You've always been very athletic. And your version of sucking at it maybe isn't that bad, but. Well, yeah, I mean, I definitely when it comes to golf, I suck. And I'll admit that.

But you know what? You know who's trying golf right now and sucks? LeBron James. So, I mean, there's a lot of people. Charles Barkley still sucks. You know what I mean? But I think what's beautiful about that game, not to go off a side tension is that's what makes most people interested with it is, is like, it's very hard to be good. Yeah. Right. So there's

always something to be working on. But we get into contract work. So I kind of back off the TV show. We focus on contract work. And then God just extremely open my eyes and blessed us. And we now have the contract with the Consumdus Fire Department, which services all the city of Elk Grove and Galt, Galtt, Galtp.D. We have them as well. The Elk Grove Police Department, the city of Elk Grove. I do work with Sheriff Redmond and Amador County Sheriff's Office. I did two years with Sheriff Wayne Wu at Plaster County, help them develop their program, have a great relationships out there. We've done really cool, supportive stuff when it comes to speaking and helping specialty

teams, swap teams and stuff like that. A lot of the teams guys will do stuff. I'm running now the Fire Department's Academy, like all physical PT and physical training and testing are up to us. we do really cool things i don't want to leave anybody out but yeah and then come june if it goes through council we'll also have the city of galt as well so um these things are all very very interesting and that kind of speaks to what we made the change for and when we were looking at the bottom line the gym in the way i used to run it was we'd run classes four times a day we do i think

it was 5am or 6 a.m. 9 a.m. then 430 and 530. And then I had some kids classes kind of sprinkled in there. And I'm paying rent on a building 24 hours a day, how many days a month, and I'm only using it for four hours. And I started looking at it. I'm like, man, that's a big cost acquisition. Then I have to pay coaches, excuse me, I get to pay coaches, because I have the opportunity to, to help us run this thing. But a lot of times we were making a lot of money because we were doing it. Me and Misha, we're coaching everything. So now I'm paying people to cover those classes so either I could be home for dinner finally, which I'd never had to care about when I didn't have kids or make a practice and or go facilitate contract work. Well, Misha met with our CPA. They

kind of looked at everything. They're like, hey, look, the gym is doing fine. You're in a good spot. But if you focus 100% of your attention here, this is what it looks like. I told Mishol on the phone, send me the numbers. Soon you send the numbers, I'm like, we change today. She's today, we change today. I'm like, we change today. This is what we're doing. She's like, are we getting rid of the gym? And I said, as you know it, I won't be in their coaching classes anymore. I said, we'll have a physical location because it's great for our contracts that those folks can use that. But I'm going to switch to being a 24-7 access facility. And within that facility, I want to offer things that no one else is offering it.

And I want to be super nice. And I want to be more like a country club in the aspect that like we have a certain level of membership. Once it's full, it's full. And it's more like concier service, just super high in and everything that I'm doing for this contract work, which is like, I mean, I got MDs. I'm doing cancer. We're doing crazy stuff. I'm going to make that available general population and the right clients will find us and we'll be able to work with them. And not only will that take care of itself, we're able to got to bless us to purchase that building.

So we finally own the building we're working out of. And then we don't have to be there all the time. So now I can go to jiu-jitsu today at 4 o'clock when my son's doing his thing. Right. And then at 6 p.m. I could be home for dinner where I have no problem with how we used to run things. And this is what I was telling you earlier a little bit. when you start talking about the changes you're making in your life to be more present or spend more

time with your family or make certain decisions to fulfill what it is that you find valuable, it doesn't mean that you're simultaneously devaluing what someone else chooses to do. So a lot of my friends that are still in that traditional manner of training, crush it, live it, do it, I get it, that's fine. But if I have the ability and you say, hey, on paper you have the ability to make more money have a greater impact with what you're doing in contract work, but also take your kid to the zoo on Tuesday at 9 and be home for dinner. If I chose to stick with what I only knew because it's what I only knew, that's who I was, then I think I've been making a bad decision.

If I had the choice to change it, then there's no part of me that loses anything other than the stripping of ego of saying, well, if I say I'm not doing this anymore, did I fail at it? I don't think I did. I did it for over 10 years, very successful. We've been in business for 16 years this year. Just two months ago, our last month, we got a, we got recognized by the State Assembly by Stephanie Nguyen for being in business for 15 years as a contributor to our community. So I think we're doing the right things.

Then the question becomes, who are you allowing to dictate what your success is? You don't have to be doing what I'm doing to be successful, doing what you're doing to be successful. There's people out there that it's a teacher, you know, a wife that's a teacher, you know, a and a husband maybe that works for UPS and they love the shit out of their kids. They're there for them. They're available. They have a happy family.

They live within their means and they're doing a great job and they have it together and they have what's important. You're kicking ass. If you're happy, be happy, right? It doesn't mean no knock on that situation. It was just more showing like you don't need everything to be happy. It's getting back to that fulfillment thing. What's most important?

They said that a lot of folks, you know, upon dying, we were talking with some chaplains, upon dying, all people really want is more time with their family or more time with a significant other. They're not asking, can I go take one more ride in my Raptor? The Raptor's fun, by the way. But it's time, right? So how do we create those opportunities with the time we're given to make the impact that we want, but simultaneously feed the thing that's most important to us.

If someone said, hey, you have to, and everyone knows this because they'd hopefully make the same vision, if you had to lose everything you have today, but you get to keep your kids and your wife, would you do it? When do you want my staff? Right. You know what I mean? Like, and so if that's the real answer, then why, and I know why, but like, why do we put ourselves in the situation where I really, that's horrible? Like, why do I really give a shit about what Joe or Tom or Bill says about how I'm doing things?

Then once you get to that level, you go, I don't anymore. What I'll say is, I'm an elephant. I remember what you said about me. So if someone asked me something about you and I have no comment, people probably know where I stand. And that's not like a mafioso type comment as much as it is like if I just don't have anything nice to say, I'm not going to say it. But if I'm someone that's constantly giving people compliments, if I think they're good people and then I'm reluctant to say anything, I think I said everything. So, you know, if someone wants to get over on me, great. Don't worry about it.

God's going to bless me and he's going to write those wrongs. You have to live with being an asshole. When you're doing consulting for like police and fire and stuff, what does that entail? what are the main areas that you're able to make the biggest impact? Relationships. Yeah, I mean, there's, if you want nuts and bolts, like currently for the fire department, I have wrote their entire academy, which would be the process of selection to allow someone to physically pass through becoming a firefighter, which is a huge responsibility.

Because as those individuals go through that process, they're already technically employees. So if they get injured during this selection process, it's also like a workman's comp issue and other things. And we don't want to hurt people. But now I have to create a stimulus that is hard enough to get someone to see if they really can handle being in a firehouse and doing this job. And kind of a boot camp crazy, let's not hurt them, but like, you know, get them to that edge without hurting them or getting them injured. That's a very skillful job to be able to do that and breed the right mentality of what it's, like to work on the line. So if someone's trying to be a firefighter, do they end up getting some information from you? Yeah. Because they're trying to just train for the academy. They can. That's probably

something I should work into for sure. A lot of people are doing that blindly. Like they're just like, I barely know what the test is. Yeah. I mean, if anyone wants to contact me, they can. That's probably another avenue that I could be of service or help folks. But I wrote a three month training manual that preps people for our academy based upon what it is that I do at ours, but it's proficient enough that would allow someone to be ready to go at any one of these. I think there's certain baselines that you need to be able to be proficient at, but what they usually tell you is be able to run this speed or do this many push-ups. Sometimes they don't, and God bless them, they don't have the plan. So for our organization at Consumptus Fire, they were kind enough to put the trust into me

to help build those procedures for them to be able to build the stamina and the structure. strength enough to be ready to go. Simultaneously, if you show up on day one, you don't have it, guess who knows you didn't do what you're supposed to do? That's kind of like step one if you want to be here. And I told all that, them that. And that's on the fireside. And then also for fire as well on the nuts and bolts thing.

And I'll get back to relationships. We do their annual testing. I'm talking about like we bring in an MD, a phlebotomist. We're doing Bruce Protocol, cardiac stress tests, spirometry. We're doing cancer screens, urine, blood. everything, right? And then I do physical compsy tests. We do all of that. And then we do all their quarterly educations. It's the scope of work that we do is actually very large. I kind of downplayed a lot to most people. I'd say I work with the fire department, but it's,

it's a huge liability for us because these are the humans that are supposed to take care of all the humans and our jobs to take care of them. So that's a big responsibility on the on the PD side or LEO side, whether it's Elkrove PD or sheriff's officer, no I'm working with. where I've seen the biggest change is creating opportunities for education. So a lot of those folks there, a lot of times it's not so much diet as it is. Like sometimes there's questions about supplements or there's questions about like training protocols or where they're getting information from. So for me, it's not so much telling someone what to do.

It's guiding them down their own path to allow them to become successful on their own. And then hopefully they return back to me with that level of trust. They say, okay, well, what do you think about, you know, this or that? And then they're like, well, you've worked with Mark Bell. Maybe you do know something about bench press. I'm like a little bit. Yeah, a little bit, you know. But I've developed and built that trust.

But as well with there, I'm one of the people that helps with testing for like our specialty team, for like our SWAT teams. I'll be there when they're conducting their tasks, keeping people safe. I'll help write some of the protocols. I'll work with the team leads to make sure that the stress is appropriate. And I'm giving input. It's not always 100% used because they have the things that they need to see as well. And then we do same thing. Quarterly wellness drills, like all the initiatives, all those things, all the wellness type

stuff. But if you ask me 100% why a wellness program would thrive, it's relationship. It's walking around asking people how they're doing. How's your day? How's your kid? Remembering their name? Remember their kid's name? Remember what's going on?

They're remembering like, hey, man, remember our blood pressure a little bit high. You've been doing your walks. Yeah, I'm getting better out. Are you testing at home, man? I need to be, right? It's just being there. And for that world, a lot of. lot of people hit me up and they're like, dude, contract work, I see you moved into it. How do we do it?

And I was like, man, there's nuts and bolts, right, of like what the scope of service looks like when a request proposal comes out from a government entity. Can you do these things? Yes. Okay, cool. When you work with PD and God bless them, by nature, they're vigilant, right? They're thinking about all the things that might go wrong. Okay. You are one of those if you want to. You are one of those, into that room. So what do you have to do? You have to build trust. You are in an authorative position, but in their world, they are the authority. You just put like 10 alphas in one room. Like, how do we get the point across? How do we develop? So a lot of it is, is massaging relationships to let them know that you're real. Let them know that you do what you

say. You yourself are actually doing it. You care about them and you're willing to be there. So showing up early, staying late, taking calls, doing peer support stuff, you know, finding opportunities for them to train with other people, creating some cross-training. But the relational development in wellness is the one thing that most people miss, and it's what actually makes most wellness programs successful. Do you know your city manager's name? If you work with the city. Well, I don't.

Well, you probably should. That's the person that makes all the decisions for everything that you do. And are you making a relationship just to know his name, or are you generally concerned the fact that he has the responsibility of everything that goes wrong in the city? So R's is super cool. And L. Grove, his name's Jason.

And gosh, hopefully this all works out. But maybe I lose my job on this one. But I love Misha, so Misha don't be upset with me. But Misha always goes, hey, there's a few places at the city

I want you to kind of stay out of. Stay out of HR. Don't see how they're doing. Just let them do their thing. It's kind of a joke, right? But, you know, there's systems. And Misha knows those systems

because she has her business degree and she's super smart and she understands business, right? I just kind of see Jason is Jason, right? And so we're sitting there and it was a day that I needed to do some walkthroughs for her because she usually does a walkthrough. And that's what we do. We go meet people where they're at, meet them at the dress, stretch with them,

ask them how they're doing, right? Not in our scope of work. We just do that because we love these people. Now it is. It's a part of it because we made it a thing. But I come home. And I said, hey, I went saw Jason today. She was, did you have a meeting?

I said, no. I said, actually, he looks a little stressed out. She goes, what did you do? I go, well, I was coming around the corner and I saw that he was on his computer and I asked him if he had a minute and I was a joke because it looked like he didn't have a minute and he actually broke for his computer and I had a conversation about like how he's doing what was going on. He told me he was happy that these folks were you know participating that some of the people in his inner office were starting to join our workout and stuff like that. I said, well, since it doesn't look like you're busy, I'm going to let you get back to doing what you're doing. Right. But I have. I understand chain of command and I respect his position even though he's a city manager he's still a human right chief of police still a human chief of fire still human and let's get away from the top guys right city manager chiefs whatever guys on the line right i got a guy on the line uh super awesome dude and he's like hey dude like we started you know this grappling club for all the guys that do jujitsu but there's

nine firehouses fire stations and consum his fire department these guys have a b and c shift. They all work different shifts, right? But they all love grappling, but they never can get together. I was like, dude, I'll throw together like a little throwdown. We all get together. We had like 16 of them show up to a gym. We're all trying to, within realm, kept everybody safe, trying to kill each other. But, you know, just joking, have fun. And for them, it's not their job to organize that, right? And it's not even my job, really, to organize that. But you know what happened is, is everyone was super pumped. We all had a great conversation afterwards. And now we're going to do it quarterly or once every two months, we'll figure it out. But what happens with these people when the relationship is not

built, whether it's first responders, any capacity is you have, and you know this, you have positive stress mitigation and negative stress mitigation. So if we don't have exercise, right, or we don't have relationship or conversation, you know, what did old school dudes do? Just go drink. Right. Let's go have a beer. Like the environments that we have given men to be successful to deal with mental health things. Not saying my guys have mental health issues, just saying if they're experiencing some stuff and they need to regulate themselves, the most commonly accepted thing for men are environments that negatively benefit their health.

So it's my goal to make things that are super good for their health fun. And that's where I meet them. And I develop a relationship and they know that I actually give a shit about them. And the gals that we work with as well. So I don't want to exclude that. But most of the guys that are, people are approaching me are, if the girls usually go to Misha. Are there some strategies that you developed in working with first responder type people, especially like the fact that sometimes they're like night shift workers.

Oh, yeah. Graves. Yeah, yeah. That graveyard shift, like that's got to be brutal. And I imagine like I don't really hear it talked about at all. Like I don't hear anyone talking about. I know it's like the same. I know it's like similar.

But I don't know about for you. but if I'm up at like 2 a.m. or 1 a.m., which is really never anymore. But if I am up at that hour, I'm not going to probably make a healthy choice with food, especially if I'm just coming off of work or if I'm heading into work. Yeah. So what do you do for some of the night shift people? Well, what's super funny is, is like where most dietary recommendations come from, or normal day.

So even if these individuals don't have us and they're trying to access wellness upon waking at 6, 7, or 8, eat, it's like, I don't. I wake up at five because I go in at six and then, you know, then I start my shift and I get off at six a a, whatever their their shift is. Interesting things you'll learn about the difference between fire and LER police work. Firefighters are all in a firehouse, and I'm not speaking to you that you don't know, but these are some things that I discovered. Firefighters are in a firehouse.

If a call happens, depending on who's needed, whether it's a medic or an engine, whatever's going out, they disperse and they come back, but they have a home base. Dinner there is a really big deal. They spend time together, right? They're doing a... They kind of cook for each other. All of that. They're cooking together and everything.

Take care of everything. 48-hour shifts. Sometimes single those 96 would be the longest. 72 is pretty consistent. That's why we're having a lot of these academies. But anyways, everyone goes, well, it seems like firefighters are way fitter than police officers. And I said, well, think about the environment. They all share refrigerator.

They all live together. And they all have group PT. whether they do it or not together, they have an hour dedicated to it. Law enforcement, depending on your shift and your superior, you do get workout time on shift, but if we're slammed, you don't. Then after briefing, which is their meeting before they go out, where are they in their car by themselves? Eating donuts. In their car by themselves, whatever their choice is, whether it's donuts, white monsters

or what, right? The thing is, is you lose community a little bit. You lose a little bit of relationship. That guy would be like, hey, don't eat that. I'm not saying that doesn't happen in the firehouse. I never really thought about it, but like people don't even, most people don't even want to talk to you. So you're by yourself and as you patrol or walk around.

People are like, they didn't walk the other way. Oh, yeah. They just like. Yeah. And some people hate the police. Even worse. A lot. And is that a generalization of,

little bit, of course. I have very fit guys at the PD that make really good decisions, right? And I have very fit people at fire department, but also have very unfit people at the fire department that we're still working to kind of get to where what's going to be most optimal. Chad Augustine, he's real out of shape. Yeah, Chad, he's the worst. Yeah. But at the end of the day, environment, this is a good takeaway. Environment can shape decisions. It does. It really does. Right. So we can give people those tools. difficult. That's certain. Absolutely. Absolutely. So it's like, okay, so what we educate then is is like, okay, hey, it might not be popular. Well, nothing, you know, one of the things I used to here, nothing's open but jack in the box at midnight. I'm working graves. I was like, you're seeing the red

igloo with the white top, you know, the super old school lunch bail. Yeah. Yeah. Do you think you could pack that before? Yeah. You know, but at the same time, too, maybe it feels good. If you had a bad call to go to Jackman mugs. So maybe they don't know it, but sometimes the stress mitigation of getting something sweet or getting something that feels that way is fighting off some of the things that they're not dealing with and that's how they're coping. It could be food. It could be a ton of things, right? Alcohol, they're not drinking at work. But there's a lot of things that kind of, ooh, in a super deep way, think about this. The first sin was an apple, right? And when they're in the desert, they're complaining about food.

They wanted to go back to Egypt and be slaves eating because there's better food there. Like food is a catalyst for a lot of bad decision making. And when we think about it, the control over that usually leads to success. So I think, you know, one of the bigger things is, is like having a plan sticking to it. But at the same time, understanding that like temporary satisfaction does not create long-term success. just because it feels good right now doesn't mean it's going to be good. You have two children and you and your wife are insanely fit. How do you let your kids sort of like quote unquote be kids?

I mean, I don't think kids necessarily need like macaroni and cheese and Cheetos and stuff. But like we were kids and we were kids. There was like less concerned. But nowadays I think people are more knowledgeable and especially you and your wife are very knowledgeable. Yeah. Your wife is shredded. You're in great shape. And so like, yeah, how do you?

you kind of navigate some of that with your children i think i'm the balance um my oldest has ate McDonald's once my mom took him and misha cried uh the baby i don't think has had anything outside of like in and out yet um the baby's three um i have a very amazing wife in a lot of ways and i could talk about a million reasons why she's awesome we're gonna have on the show she's yeah she'll do She'll do great. One of the things that I'm happy about is that she also knows how to cook, which is good, but also knowing how to cook and then having the background of how to be healthy, our boys eat dinner pretty much every night that's made by her.

The breakfasts are made by her. The only thing that's a little bit out of our control is in the third grade, it's very popular to have hot lunch. And it like broke my wife's heart. But like she'd pack them these amazing lunches, but all the cool kids had hot lunch. She's like, fine, you could have pizza slice at lunch. Like we have way better stuff for you, right?

So I think that's in an area where she'll concede a little bit. We have no problem to go into burgers brew off our street, getting the kids burgers. When we're in Disneyland, we talk about time and place. Like we're not going to not have the ice cream at, what's that spot? Salt and straw or whatever, right? We're not going to not do those fun things. It's just, it's not what we do every day. Right?

And kind of bust myself out the other day. She goes, I had a conversation with Miles that he can't be eating frosting from these cupcakes because it's poop. was blue. And what I didn't tell her is that I got him a slurpee from the 7-Eleven that was blue. And that was definitely it. But Miles didn't snitch on me. So I let that one slide. And I was like, hey, dude, this is why we don't do that. If mom's going to see your poop, man, we got evidence. We can't be getting in trouble like that. But the kids eat relatively healthy as much as this time and place. But I think more so for them, we haven't made any negative associations with food.

We'll just let them know, hey, this is like, if we're going to be training and doing things, these are the best options and this is just what mom and dad does. Like the little guy, he loves mac and cheese. It's one of his favorite things. They have pizza. They have certain stuff. But like also at the same time, too, we're making sure that's supplemented with protein pretty much at every meal.

Like we're finding those ways to integrate those things because the last thing I told her, especially with like even screens or video games or food is like if you go and she agreed, you know, we work and navigate through life together. If you go hardcore, not that she was going to, but like if you go hardcore and never expose them to anything, then you have the kid that as soon as he gets it doesn't know how to control it. So the balance has been like, where's our stance on how to engage with these things they're going to be in their life every single day as they get older? And how do we create limits for them where they understand how to control themselves? Because most adults don't even

know how to do that, right? So it's this really crazy double-edged sword with nutrition, screen time, video games, all the stuff of like, what's appropriate, what's not appropriate. And then we talked about this, deemed by whom, right? I think if things become destructive, that's a problem, but then what's your threshold of before it becomes destructive? So parenting is a very interesting challenge. But at the same time, too, I think creating opportunities, you called me randomly or sent me a message and you're like, Chuck, certain times of getting in the sun, make sure you're still getting in the sun, make sure you're still turning off the radio and absorbing the ground and doing things.

And so I've thought about that. And I've been doing that as much as I can. But just the other night, I was like, you know what? I need to get miles out of the house. So it was right before bed. We kind of snuck out. We got two chairs, two lawn chairs. And we went to the front yard because the backyard's too distracting.

Side of the front yard, put our feet on the grass and I asked him about his day. He didn't know it, but he's got his feet on the grass. We're looking up at the sky. We're identifying where the moon is. And we're just kind of chilling. But I was like, cool. Nothing's going on out here. And this is where you're supposed to be.

in semi-fresh air and relaxing. But then you get in the whirlwind of the house, it's so easy for everything to get out of control, right? And then when you're busy parents and you have things going on, it's really easy to just concede. And there's times where I do concede to Disney Plus, right?

Because I got to take a call and something's got to happen. But the question is, is when the call's done, do I just let them keep doing it or do I find something for them to do? Another thing that is interesting. I don't know. You had to, you know, I don't know.

When I, this is not, I love my dad. If we were training, he was there. We were playing sports. We were there. If I wanted to hang out with my dad, though, outside of those things, I'd sit next to him on the couch because he was either watching Bloodsport or ESPN, right? Like, Oro West. Great movie, by the way.

Great, great movie, right? It kind of shaped me. But, but we're not really asking him too many questions. We're just kind of by him. And that was a great childhood, right? There's this thing now, and I have no problem with it, because I love being a very involved dad, but like, there's this thing now where it's like, like dads have to do, and I'm not a complainer, like, tell me I can. I'll spend more time, right?

Like, I think you do a good job, but like I think dads are in this really weird situation where you're called to do a lot of things really, really well, and I don't mind that responsibility, but also when it comes to the kids, and this is not to put it on the wives or the moms or how we look at this, but it's like, I think a lot of dads are experiencing a lot of guilt that they're not spending more time with their kids, but like, where is that time supposed to come from? And at what cost? So if I'd spend more time with you, but I'm like passing out because I'm like tired from everything that I did, is that the quality time you want with me? Right. And I think that there's this, you know, I spent a lot of time in peer support too. There's a lot of these guys that maybe they are working graves or guys

are working shift work or different things or even guys that aren't, right? And they're just like, dude, like, I don't know. We didn't get a chance to throw the ball around. You know, I wanted to, but I was smoked. I ended up making dinner or whatever. It's hard. And I think that a lot of guys right now, I don't know if it's social media influence, are feeling a lot of guilt that they're not doing enough.

And I think that like... That's a big problem. It is. Like you're not doing enough. It makes you feel like you're not enough. Bingo, right? And then this is a deeper reason why I think men are in a really weird spot right now because they feel that they are not enough to themselves

because they're made felt that they're not enough for what they're doing. doing. And that's why I've been dipping into a lot of these things. Like I got a men's group. They don't know what it is. I just tell them it's a free workout group, but you have to be a dude, basically men's group that meets every morning at 4 am. And anyone that wants to show up can come work out. But they don't know it. But like, when are you supposed to have time for yourself? It doesn't exist. So just come work out. We could all talk about what's going on our day. Then everyone's better and everyone worked out. The thing I do in Tahoe, all these little things, if you think about a lot of stuff I've been doing is getting guys together and just showing

And then like, hey, we're all in it. It's all hard. We're all not going to quit. But like, we're good, right? It's going to be okay. But a lot of happens is a lot of these guys that I've seen, they get really isolated and they feel that some capacity, no matter what they're doing, they're underperforming. And I think that's leading to a lot of the breakdown that we're seeing in society is,

is we don't have men that feel empowered to be men that could then raise strong men or men that can be in leadership roles or just be present because they're like, well, why would I even keep trying if I feel like I'm not doing anything anyways. When my son was a baby, I took, I took Jake, he was at the dinner table with my wife and my uncle was there and my dad was there and I got Jake and I was like, oh, okay, like, it's obviously he needs to be. I was like, I'll go take him, I'll change him, you know? And I said that from my uncle and my dad.

And my uncle goes, oh my God. And then my dad started laughing and my dad's like, my dad kind of happened. me on the shoulder and he's like, he's like, I only changed one diaper, you know, out of three kids, you know? Yeah. And then my uncle looked at him. My uncle's just like disappointed and he's like, I've never changed the diaper. Isn't that crazy? So things, things are definitely, uh, changing. Things are definitely changing. But just on that note, on a more serious note is you're not supposed to be there all the time for your kids. They need to learn on their own. They do. And yeah. And they,

they learn a lot from their friends and, um, usually they know way more like your son is not. right yeah i mean i know you guys are super close but he knows what he knows more than what you think and he knows he's got cousins and stuff right he knows he's got buddies yeah so he knows he knows he knows like dirty shit and stuff that you wouldn't really you'd be like okay well wow i didn't know but there's just nowadays it's even harder to keep a lid on stuff yeah i mean back when we were kids it's like there was always like an older kid who would like tell you certain things or shit like that or older sibling or cousin or something like that. But nowadays with the internet, I mean, you're just going to see all kinds of stuff.

I remember there was, we donated some tablets to one of the local schools. And I think the kids were like 11, like 10, 11, 12. And then my wife's like, oh, you know, they got to swipe the tablets every year or whatever and hand them to these other kids. And she's like, oh, they found. They found porn on like one of the one of the one of the one of the uh tablets. Makes sense. And, uh, and I go, well, that's interesting, but like, you know, there's, there's many levels of porn.

And, uh, and, and I said, well, what kind of porn was it? She's like, I don't know. I didn't ask. I was like, I was like, you should, you should ask. Like it'd just be interesting to like, no. Yeah. And, uh, the kid was searching boobs. His search was boobs. boobies, titties, like all that kind of stuff. And it was just like girl. He's a dude. It's like girls in bras, you know? It wasn't even, he didn't even get to like anything crazy.

Luckily, luckily he didn't get anything crazy. Or maybe he cleared his search history. Just hit him with the boobs. Yeah. Yeah. But there is also an innate curiosity of young boys and you give them the opportunity to like find it. They will.

And getting back to that, you can't shield kids from everything. I think the key is like you were saying is, and this is what I talk about is, am I spending quality time when I'm with them? And in the time that I spend with them, are they learning from me enough of what our expectations are and kind of who we are? And then from there, free wills, free will, baby. Like, they can do what they want.

There's repercussions if you cross certain lines in our home. But at the same time, too, it's up to you to make the decision. Yeah, you teach them the best and you hope that they make good decisions even when you're not there. Yeah. We'll see.

Right. Like, that's part of the game. They're still out. Yeah. When you, you know, so you've been, yeah, you mentioned earlier that you wake up, you know, super early. Yeah. What is it about those early hours for you? Like there's something special and there's something different about it, isn't there?

Yeah. Let me check today. It's not on there yet. I know like Jocco Willink, you know, he always has that picture, the epic picture of it's like his watch. Yeah. I'm not. Yeah, I'm not going to do that one. So my sleep schedule, a lot of people.

will make comments about, not that you're doing that right now, but a lot people make comments about, about my overall health and about what I'm doing or what's going on. I'll be like this, okay, I'll talk to someone and be like, hey, what time you, what does your day look like when you get home? Well, I get home from work, it's like six, six 30, have dinner, da, da, da, time you get to bed. And sometimes midnight, one o'clock, I say, well, what time do you have to be to work?

Well, eight, so I'm usually up by like six. And I'm like, so you're getting about like five hours of sleep. They're like, yeah, go to bed at nine, wake up at three. It's about five and a half, six hours of sleep. It's just the time that I have is different, right? I'm not opposed to how people operate or how they run their life. But when the sun goes down, you know, if I'm not sleeping or spending time with my wife, you're going to bed, right?

I don't need to go find a show personally. I don't need to do anything other than recover. And, you know, if anyone's been big on this the most, it's, you know, Stan, right? About what sleep is a PED. And so for me, I will supplement it the way that you used to do it when you're working with them a little bit, which was like take those power naps when you can because even that will help. Hell, yeah. So I'll pop those in here and there. So I'm not operating off a zero sleep all the time like people really think.

It's just my sleep schedule is different. Well, the thing is I want to be available if I can. So when we put everyone down, everyone's usually down by 830. And that gives me about 30 minutes, maybe max an hour with my wife. We could work through or talk through whatever we need to. Maybe she wants to wrestle. I don't know. It's up to her. Right. Then from there, you know, I wake up every morning at three and there's certain days that I don't want to do it. And there's certain days when my alarm goes off and I don't

want to do it. But in a weird way, I've always done this to myself. I created my own prison. So I created a four o'clock hour that I say is open and available to anyone anytime. And I'm never going to be the guy that doesn't show up. Right. Well, to be cognitive, I need to be awake for at least 30 to 40 minutes before I even start working out. So that's forced to 3 a.m. But on top of that, my question was, is where is the first time I give into who? So upon waking, I literally will sit up on the edge of my bed.

I'll thank God for a new day. I'll thank them that I'm alive, that I have air in my body, that I have a beautiful wife, that she's amazing. I'll thank it for both of my kids, even my dog that's about 100 years old right now. I go through like what I'm grateful for, right? And I just thank God for those things and those opportunities.

Then I'll go into the kitchen. I'll start coffee. this is probably a bad routine, but I pop a caffeine pill right out the gate, so 200 milligrams of caffeine while the coffee is kind of brewing. At that point, I debate if I should eat a banana or not. I'll take vitamins or whatever is that I'm taking during the day. And then I'll start my Bible study, which is right now I've just been reading like a different book in the Bible. So I'll just go like chapter by chapter or whatever. So right now I'm in Psalms.

I used to do proverbs every day, whatever day of the month was. I'd read that proverbs, but I did that for like 10 years to where I pretty much have them memorized, Once I start reading, I know what's going to be. So I'm doing that now with Psalms. That gets me to about 4.30. I drink that coffee. About 4.45, I'm heading into the gym. And then I've, like, grounded myself that I have a new day.

I've given time to God, which is hard to do when you're focused on your own stuff. I wouldn't say get that out of the way first. It's just the priority that I do that first. Seek first the kingdom. Seek first the kingdom. And then from there, I'll go right into the gym. The lights go on. The music goes on.

am I man so many things can go wrong or right with this when it gets aired um I had a conversation with a guy today who uh was in Iraq and he he's he is badass he's a good dude but he's been out of fitness for some time he's getting in shape so shout out to Vij if you watch this the vj you know you always have one guy in the gym you're everyone just kind of given a hard time to right you're just kind of always kind of but they have a lot of potential right and but you're just always kind of on their ass because it's kind of fun. So we get into the gym and everyone's got different stuff going on, right?

And everyone's coming in, groups come in that are different, but the music song we're getting it. Everyone knows this is the structure of my workouts. We work out for one hour. You have five, 10 minute blocks separated by one minute of rest. First 10 minutes, it's a ladder.

One squat, one pushup, one sit up, right? Some pretty good guys and baseball and football got away with just doing push-up, sit-up, sit-up, some squats and it worked out for them, right? So that's how I started. The reason why I start with that is, is depending on how everyone's moving, they can choose their level of depth, the range, but we're not loading anything. So we're just priming the central nervous system.

We're just kind of getting things moving. But a lot of people, I think, neglect body weight movements. And a lot of people we have in there, that might be like what they can do, right? Then we have one minute rest. Then from there, what I'll do is I'll probably do like two lifts. And I'll choose, like, say it's like back and like I want to do core. Like we'll do some like rows, but it's a 10 minute block. So I'll then start breaking up the group into like groups of three or groups of four and then I'll be like, all right, we're going to for the first five minutes of that 10 minutes, everyone's going to hit a wait for 10 reps and we're just going to rotate through the circle with the remaining five minutes. We'll do sets of five. So it's like, you know, lighter load and then they're moving. But it's all relative to the group, right? So they're doing fives. And we'll do stuff like that or we'll do, we usually end with some form of a conditioner. But it's one hour, 10 minutes, five blocks separated by one minute of rest.

I have some rules until one of them changed because Misha got upset with me. I used to crank up the heater to 100 degrees and shut all the doors. And I said, if you ever leave the gym during the workout to grab air, stay outside. So, I mean, it would be very hot in there. People are just sweat and dying. It was great, right? I loved it. But once the bill was like $560 for like the month,

Misha's like the heater does not get turned on anymore. So the rule still exists that when you're in that room, there's no concession. Like if you have to throw up, you throw up on the mat where we're at. You do not go to the bathroom. Because I used to have guys go fake dry heave in the toilet. It's like, dude, do you throw up or you don't? So if you're going to dry heave, dry heave while we're working, right? Like, this is a thing with these, the guys know, right? So we've had guys throw up on the mat. We're all working out. No one's going to move because they know like, dude, like, all right, but you still got your set. Keep it going. Yeah. Some like west side stuff, right? But like a lot lighter weight.

So we're sitting there and it's like, all right, let's keep going. So then, I created this environment where the guys know, oh, there's no way out once I get in here. But for one hour, the only thing I don't want you to do is quit. That's it. All I'm teaching you is it's going to suck. It's going to be an environment. You've controlled nothing because I am. But you know, I love you.

So I'm not going to ever ask you anything that you can't do, but it might be something that you think you can't. But we're going to get through it. So we created this environment, right? So today we had a guy in there and I'm helping with this nutrition. I said, all right, here's your nutritional plan. Are you serious that you want to do this? is yes. I said, all right, here's your nutrition plan. 40 days. Brian's going to hold you accountable. You can eat any quantity of meat that you want, any quantity. I don't care. Okay?

You can only use salt or pepper as the seasoning. As much as you want, any animal you want. Go for it. And you can include eggs. You can eat any vegetable you want. It has to be steamed or grilled. Have any quantity you do want. And you can have any zero calorie drink that you want. Those are my only three rules. That's it. Oh, that's it. Oh, that's it. Day two. I'm dying, man. Can I use some olive oil? Can I do this? I said, VJ has been two days. Right. So I'm, we finish a workout. I'm running. He's on the bike. He's doing a great job. Vijay's a tough dude. But right now, we're working on him. And I said, we're running. We're running. And I know what's going on. It's a hormonal thing. He's like, I got a couple guys on the bike there.

I said your BA levels are off. They're like super elevated. Like your BA levels are high. Like people talk about PA. I was like your BA is just really high. And right now it's trying to express itself. You know what to do. All right, Mark, you're getting leaner and leaner, but you always enjoy the food you're eating. So how are you doing it? I got a secret, man.

It's called Good Life Protein. Okay, tell me about that. I've been doing some Good Life Protein. You know, we've been talking on the show for a really long time of certified Piedmontese beef. And you can get that under the umbrella of Good Life Proteins, which also has chicken breast, chicken thighs, sausage, shrimp, scallops,

all kinds of different fish, salmon, tilapia. The website has nearly any kind of meat that you can think of lamb. There's another one that comes in mind. And so I've been utilizing and kind of using some different strategy, kind of depending on the way that I'm eating. So if I'm doing a keto diet, I'll eat more fat, and that's where I might get the sausage and I might get their 80-20, grass-fed, grass-finish, ground beef.

I might get bacon. And there's other days where I kind of do a little bit more bodybuilder style, where the fat is, you know, might be like 40 grams or something like that. And then I'll have some of the leaner cuts of the certified Piedmontese beef. This is one of the reasons why like neither of us find it hard to stay in shape because we're always enjoying the food we're eating. And protein, you talk about protein leverage it all the time. It's satiating and helps you feel full. I look forward to every meal and I can surf and turf, you know.

I could cook up some, you know, chicken thighs or something like that and have some shrimp with it or I could have some steak. I would say, you know, the steak, it keeps going back and forth for me on my favorite. So it's hard for me to lock one down. But I really love the bovette steaks. Yeah. And then I also love the ribbyes as well. You can't go wrong with the ribbyes. So, guys, if you guys want to get your hands on some really good meat, pot.

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I said, you really high bitch assness. So until you get that bitch assness to come out of your body, you're gonna be stuck with all these issues. Man, I don't think anyone's ever talked to him like that, but he's like, you know what I love about this? He's like, it's like, I'm back in, man. He's like, this is what I need. I need a good group of guys

to call me on my shit, right? But at the end of the day, it doesn't matter the master's from USC. It doesn't matter that he fought a... He's at a place right now where he wants to get back in shape. But you know what a real friend's going to tell you? You're being a bitch. How hard is it to eat as much food as you want within those two... You don't mean things I could think of it you can eat?

Yeah. But you know what you're only thinking of the things that you can't. Right. That's the focus, yeah. And in life, what do we get focused on when we hit a plateau? All the things that we can't. We forget about the things that we can. Focus on what you can.

do. Not asking to be something you're not. Just do what you can and get through it. You're going to be all right. But you get overwhelmed, right? Don't listen to yourself. Talk to yourself. You can do it. You're going to want to quit. Cool. Everyone does at some point. What's the difference? Some people just don't. Well, how can you be that straightforward? That's really the only answer. One of the things that we talk about, you're going to like this one. Oh man, this is really good. Fires me up. It's very hard conversation. We deal in peer support with some some wild stuff, crazy stuff I never thought I'd ever hear. Okay?

And we're working with people. So I work with this guy named Dr. Dan Luna is a really cool dude. And we were having some conversations about like good, bad. And basically there's only news. It's how you process things. But one of the things I was telling him was like, hey, I've been trying to help people. And this is kind of what I said. He's like, okay.

He's like, I understand that process. So we're going in. So I said, when people are dealing with something. And let's say it's like I just watch someone get shot in the face, right? That's horrible. That's a lot you have to process. Say someone loses a loved one. That's a lot.

That's the process. But perspective is reality, right? What I tell people is you're okay to feel however you want to feel. That's a natural thing. If you're sad, you could be sad. If you're happy about something, you'd be happy at something. If you're depressed about something, you can be depressed about something. But just remember simultaneously, you're in control of how long you want to feel that way.

What sucks is there's a lot of accountability there. But what's encouraging is that you have the control. over it. Now, you probably need some help. You probably need some steps, but a lot of people when they're experiencing something, specifically like depression or the things, they feel that there's no answer and they're stuck there and that they're bad for feeling that. It's like, no, that actually really does suck. It's okay maybe to be a depressed for a little bit because that's a very natural reaction to these things. But it's up to you with how long you want to be in that. Right. Well, how could you say that and it's like have you sought any help have you talked to anybody no well then who's putting

yourself there you're not you're not asking you're not searching you're helping right so those things are very interesting to me because it's a very strong statement but at the end of the day I definitely think it still provides a light for someone to go like okay my attitude my effort my feelings these are all things that I can control it doesn't remove the hurt it doesn't remove bad good in between But what for a long time would happen, and I love my father's, but I'm going to bring this up, don't cry, you're okay. You would minimize pain, right? Like you're just not supposed to feel it.

And it's like, my wife had to work on that with me, like later in life with raising kids because, you know, having a tough dad's a good thing. But the same time, too, that was also freeing for me to understand that like certain emotions are okay. Now, I processed them pretty darn fast because I know it doesn't get me anywhere to cry over. something, but I've been more willing to understand how those feelings make me feel versus before it was just like shut off anything that's bad, only move forward. Those are interesting processes to be able to work through with people, specifically when you were raised in a way that like,

what are you doing? Right? I think there's a good part of that. It made me very tough, but also there's got to be a balance where you let people know like it's okay to be human. Right? I I heard a good quote the other day is that don't quit, just rest and go again. There you go. So it's like, yeah, maybe what you're doing, maybe it's, maybe it is really hard. Maybe you're going through something that's really challenging. How long is it going to last? You know, how long is your mood going to last?

How long are you going to be mad at somebody cutting you off in traffic? You think about, I think about all kinds of weird stuff, like emotions and things like that. But if you just think about someone tells a joke and you laugh, and it's like, well, How long do you laugh for? How long do you hold a smile for? Yeah. It's like usually just a little couple moments. Like if it's really funny,

then maybe you hold on to it for a little bit longer. Yeah. But just, you know, using that as an example, like that changes from like one moment to the next. And then you're going through a different emotion. We had Mark Kerr on the show recently.

Oh, wow. Smashing machine. I follow that. That sucks. You guys, yeah. Yeah. I don't know.

Yeah. I don't know. I think you think well of me. That's awesome. Yeah, no, Mark Kerr's a badass. He said that his trainer,

his coach would put him through these exercises that they were like, they were like rehab exercises, you know, like stuff for your rotator cuff and like this different stuff. But then he'd like jump rope in between and do other things in between. And it just made him feel like, you know, he was going to puke and he just,

it was really, really hard. He'd get really winded, really sweaty and everything. And his coach would like tap him. and say, look in the mirror, look in the mirror. What are you telling yourself right now? What, what lies are you telling yourself right now?

What, what's going on? You know, he's thinking about how you got to pick up your son from school or like, you know, how much longer is this going to last? Like, he's like, and that's not what you told me that you wanted to become, you know, so get back on track with that. And then just, he keeps doing it to his athletes. He'd just keep poking on him. And he'd say, keep your head up, keep looking, keep staring in the mirror.

Because that's what you're facing, right? You're facing. you have this kind of this internal battle going on. I mean, you mentioned trying to decide whether you're going to eat a banana or not. It's like, what is all this noise that we have? Yeah. We got so much noise going on. You're like, I just eat the damn banana.

Like just have it. And I think those moments where those moments where you do want to like relax and it's appropriate, like just relax. You know, you mentioned the pressure of like men today. and yeah, everything, maybe there's just pressure on everybody, but like not everything has to be like a Bible study. Not everything has to be a podcast. Not everything has, you could literally just sit down. You can go outside and just sit down and do nothing.

Yeah. You don't even have to like try to get your step count up or whatever. There's appropriate times to just completely decompress and just completely relax or to eat the extra food and not really worry about, you know, whether it's going to stick here or there, are you following through on most of your principles? Yeah.

Are you, you know, are you able to get through those? Because what will happen to a lot of people is they won't have the energy. You mentioned like some guys feeling kind of zapped at the end of the day. They didn't have time, you know, didn't have time to play ball with their kid.

And it's not that they didn't have time. They just didn't have the energy. Like the time is there. But it becomes an equation of like, you literally don't have the energy. And if you're a cop or a firefighter, that's going to be very difficult to manage those kind of jobs and to just come home and just be a normal person after seeing crazy amounts of violence, crazy things that happen to people's bodies. Death.

I mean, just all that. I can't even, like, it doesn't make any sense to me. Those jobs don't make any sense to me. I'm always like, man, I don't, I'm glad there's other people that are brave to be able to do those jobs. Because I'm like, man, that seems like you would just carry around a lot of weight every single day. Yeah. Seems brutal. And, you know, they do.

And it's, you asked me about earlier about the business, and you asked me earlier about, you know, keeping things simple and my wise and all those things. And I thought about it. And I thought, what about the amazing privilege that I have that God's entrusted to me to be there for those people? Who's their peer support? Who's their person?

I mean, you put on that badge, put on, you know, those turnouts or you get that stuff on, like you are the line. And when you do that, you don't want to burden a significant other with what just happened when you come home. Who do they have to talk to? Right. And I just think that I've been really blessed to be in a situation where because of my makeup, my tenacity, my schedule, my work ethic, a lot of them, they respect the fact that I'm not sworn or that I'm not a firefighter, but I still keep that level of professionalism about myself and that eagerness and that hunger to want to be better, that they're willing to confine in me to help them. It's a huge, huge, huge responsibility.

And the more I observe it and the more I think about it, it's a great privilege to be able to serve those people that serve everybody else. because like who does that guy have to go to right or that girl have to go to there's situations where we have some things that are developed for them to talk to but within that community and you know I'm going to say it out is I always do a lot of them don't want to have to go talk to them the medically prescribed person because they still have a job to do and maybe they feel that they can't if do the job if they have to seek that now we have great great programs and our people are doing a good job of seeing professional help but a lot

of times you want to who's one of the persons gets one of the first calls me or we're training right and we're doing back squats and I'd be like hey man how you doing oh man crazy call yesterday da da okay like what's going on how you feel now I mean I just X Y and Z right and I just like all right and a lot of times I don't have to solve any problems just have to hear them and I think it's a really cool way that we get the opportunity to use the gym or training to be able to facilitate helping people. And I think people really, I don't think they devalue it, but we have jokes all time. I'm glad that science cowed up to our bro science where I'm like, Mark, we're talking about that for how long or the neurological connection of this or how this works or what's going on

there. And it also goes to show you too, getting back to simplicity, sometimes is as easy as being the guy that consistently shows up, move some weight and prepares his body and prepares his mind. A lot of those catalysts are all very intrinsic to how they relate to life. And maybe the guys that got kicked out of class, they just like to lift weights and know some things. Ryan, can you maybe find a couple images of Charlie and some of his group that he's got?

And maybe we can shout some of these people out, some of the early morning, your early morning group. Keep going down. Classes. There might be one pretty soon. Yeah, there you know. Yeah. Yeah, just give a couple of these people a shout out.

Like, you know, some of the names here. I mean, we're going to leave some people out that probably didn't make it that particular day. Yeah, I mean, there's tons of them, but I'll give you some guys that have been with me for a really long time. So the dude in the very, well, I don't know how we're viewing it, the way I'm viewing it. The guy in the very far rate anchored by the Z. His name's Brian Frankie. He's been training with me. He was a personal training client of mine who started with me probably in 2007.

and he's been with me ever since. He's like a brother me. He's a great guy. He's almost 60 years old and throws down with everyone. Like, will not quit. He makes it every day very consistent. If you look in the back, the guy with,

where's he at with the beard, kind of the bigger guy with the tassels coming down. That's Leo Valentini. I've been friends with him since I've been probably 13 years old. In front of him is Louis Brown. Louis's been with us for probably, shoot, 13 years training to the right of him the shirt off the Jack kid. That's his son Brady plays college soccer at Chico.

Kurt in the front, consummless fire. The guy with no shirt on the front, that's Jack, that's Galt PD, that's Hughes. We call him Robocop. Um, Omar right there in the front. Fijian dude throwing up the shock. He's been with us 12, 14 plus years. The guy in the front, we call him Thor, but the inside joke, he's anorexic Thor because he needs to put some weight on. But Chad's a good dude. A lot of these guys, a lot of them are fire. You know, some city fire guys in there, Contra Costa. Just a lot of different dudes that come in.

And what's crazy is even I look at their VJ's in the back day. We're making fun of. A lot of these guys, as we look at them, like that picture changes every day. There's a few that are the same. But what's super cool is like the dude with the dreads in the back or like the thing coming off his shoulder that's really shiny in the front. That dude's just like, I've seen this on. I've seen this online. I thought I'd show up because I know Daniel.

And I'm like, all right, dude. And so my friends are like, how do they find where we're at? Like anyone that comes in, I said, it's open. Right. Whoever wants to come in. So we'll have like these waves of almost like different groups. Like I had this dude that was kind of following me on Instagram. I didn't even know it.

And him and his buddy worked for Tesla. And all of a sudden I started seeing Tesla like vehicles show up. And they came in the first time. And they're like, dude, who was that? I'm like, dude, I don't know. Right? And then through having a conversation, we figured how we knew each other. But there's, there's all these waves.

I got Lyman in there. I got dudes that were in jail. dudes that shot people, cops. I mean, like, it's wild. The morning group is super cool. And that's what I say it's melting pot. We got one guy there. He's not in that picture.

I'll give him a shout out. His name's Beto. If I call him Berto, because I can't do the rolling thing. But amazing dude. Amazing dude. He helped me with so many things. Our kids go to the same school. This is a great story.

We both serve on our school board for the kids' school. So much they put us on the executive board. and like, Bertolt almost went to jail, was running in gangs, like still has a bunch of gang tattoos. No one knows he takes a shirt off. And you have me, who's me, right? And I looked at him one day, I'm like, working out together.

I'm like, dude, whoever thought we'd be on a private Christian school's executive board making decisions with these kids? He goes, well, we know what not to do. But at the end of the day, it also shows you, too, God can use anybody, right? And when you come together in that room, no one cares who's who. Hey, we have five, 10 minute blocks in one minute.

keep your BA levels down let's get through it don't open that damn door right and then at the end we always take a picture I've had as many as 26 in there it's less than about a thousand square feet it's fun I've had as little as one I was the only guy that showed up I mean it happens but what they will know is unless I'm dead I will be there I'll just share this with people you know just just for one week you know for one week you know said an alarm wake up at 4 a.m. go do something physical at 4.30, 5 o'clock. Just do it every day for just for just one week. Oh, yeah.

It can change your life. You know, I don't wake up as early as I used to, but I do occasionally. But I did that for many, many, many years. And it really was something that shaped me and helped mold me and allowed me. I think it was transformative. I think it was something that allowed me to be successful. And now I feel like, oh, right, well, I feel like I can rest a little bit.

And I feel like, I feel like it's important for the stage that I'm at in my life for me to actually like work on my sleep. And I also had to shift my, and this might happen with you as well, where you might feel like the need to shift your time, depending on how old your kids are. So as my kids got a little older,

I was like me being at like, me being the bed at like seven or eight just kind of like, kind of stinks because like they're up like watching a movie. with my wife or something, you know, and I'm like, man, I'd rather, I'd rather, I'd rather do things that way. And so that's, that was some of the, some of the change. But nowadays, I'm pretty much just lazy, just staying in bed later. I wouldn't say that. I actually look forward to being a little bit further down the road in that, that time being a choice, but with two littles right now, I mean, it's, it is what it is, right? The oldest, I love my

oldest son, Miles, he's a great kid, very empathetic, hard work. worker, follows the rules, good boy. Jiu-Jitsu, right? Jiu-Jitsu. Milo, I think I only have about one or two more. He's three. I only have about one or two more years until he steals my truck. He's out of there.

Oh, man. Like, I don't know. He has a mixture of my competitiveness and his mom's Colombian blood. That kid is wild. And what's crazy is he's a kid that is sweet. so he knows how to use his words and his looks and everythings. But when you're not watching, you're like, where is he? And then he's got something or he's on top of the house or something's going on.

And it's like, God has just given me two kids on totally opposite ends. But what the beautiful part is is like I can't parent them the same. But then watching them interact, my youngest gets my oldest out of his shell. But then my oldest kind of teaches the other one like, dude, you can't do that. Right. Like it's a fun balance. So it's been really cool. And that's,

my wife does an amazing, like I said, she'll be on, but my wife does an amazing job. And you're in the same boat, man, right? Like we got two amazing kids. You guys got two amazing kids. You have a wife that believed in you.

I have a wife that believed in me. We were both blessed enough that they could work with us within the company and help us take it to levels that like we couldn't get there by ourselves. And the best part about is, um, you get to build a legacy for your family.

that is so unique because the inner workings of the personal relationship, it's weird because it's like when someone has a bad day at work with the person they work with, they don't come home and have the autonomy to say like, oh, I can't tell you because, you know, X, Y, and Z, right? I look at it's like, if me and her have something, we have an issue with at work, then we go home, then we have dinner. And we still have other things. And like maybe something else is going on like,

your relationship gets so much stronger because it's like you go through so many more wars together that like I told her I'm like man I've always been all in I was even more all in after we had kids but now I'm like I'm I mean unless you kill me like I'm never going to walk through any of this stuff kind of stuff like it's hard right but then when you know someone has your back like okay we're all in I'll die for you let's make it happen and as you go through those bumps or different things in your relationship and it's not that they're back. one, so just relationships require work, right? Whether it's like, are you serious? We're just going to change everything we're doing overnight. I thought about it. And all the crazy things

I've been with me since I've been 18 years old. Every crazy thing I've ever done, do you know she's never stopped me? Maybe a more rational person would, but in a weird way, she has always bet on me. And you don't think about that until you're outside of it and you're like, whoa, you've been here the whole time. I'm going to do this. I'm going to completely change and do this. I'm going to complete change and do that. You know who's been the most consistent thing

the whole time? My wife. Like, I'm not going to let that get screwed out. That's awesome. Isn't that wild? Like, I had to think about that and Andy, same way. Yep.

Right? 100%. And that's, I think that for me is like, the coolest thing that I could say has been one of the contributors to success is picking the right person. And if someone hasn't, I, you know, I'm sorry.

Like I said, I want to be compassionate. But I also don't feel a problem to be excited for the fact that I got an awesome wife. Like that, to me, that was a, that was winning the lottery. I wouldn't be able to do a lot without her. Where can people find you? Man, at the gym, working out. Yeah, no, Charlie at Warriors Fitness. So that's my email.

Online's at Charlie Zamora. Pretty simple. Like I said, we're working out trying to help people. If you want to come to work out. It's free. Strength is never weak. This week, this week, just never strength.

Catch you guys later. Bye.