Mark Bell's Power Project - David Weck, Chris Chamberlin, Chris Kidawski - Motion is the Lotion to Relieve PAIN || MBPP Ep. 838

Episode Date: November 16, 2022

In this Podcast Episode, David Weck, Chris Chamberlin, Chris Kidawski, Mark Bell, Nsima Inyang, and Andrew Zaragoza talk about understanding pain and how movement can be the best recipe to get out of pain. As Mark Bell says, "Motion is the Lotion". Follow David Weck on IG: https://www.instagram.com/thedavidweck/ Follow Chris Chamberlin on IG: https://www.instagram.com/erodingweakness/ Follow Chris Kidawski on IG: https://www.instagram.com/thepainbibles/ New Power Project Website: https://powerproject.live Join The Power Project Discord: https://discord.gg/yYzthQX5qN Subscribe to the new Power Project Clips Channel: https://youtube.com/channel/UC5Df31rlDXm0EJAcKsq1SUw Special perks for our listeners below! ➢https://hostagetape.com/powerproject Free shipping and free bedside tin! ➢https://www.naboso.com/ Code POWERPROJECT for 15% off! ➢https://thecoldplunge.com/ Code POWERPROJECT to save $150!! ➢Enlarging Pumps (This really works): https://bit.ly/powerproject1 Pumps explained: https://youtu.be/qPG9JXjlhpM ➢https://www.vivobarefoot.com/us/powerproject Code: POWERVIVO20 for 20% off Vivo Barefoot shoes! ➢https://markbellslingshot.com/ Code POWERPROJECT10 for 10% off site wide including Within You supplements! ➢https://mindbullet.com/ Code POWERPROJECT for 20% off! ➢https://eatlegendary.com Use Code POWERPROJECT for 20% off! ➢https://bubsnaturals.com Use code POWERPROJECT for 20% of your next order! ➢https://vuoriclothing.com/powerproject to automatically save 20% off your first order at Vuori! ➢https://www.eightsleep.com/powerproject to automatically save $150 off the Pod Pro at 8 Sleep! ➢https://marekhealth.com Use code POWERPROJECT10 for 10% off ALL LABS at Marek Health! Also check out the Power Project Panel: https://marekhealth.com/powerproject Use code POWERPROJECT for $101 off! ➢Piedmontese Beef: https://www.piedmontese.com/ Use Code POWER at checkout for 25% off your order plus FREE 2-Day Shipping on orders of $150 Follow Mark Bell's Power Project Podcast ➢ https://lnk.to/PowerProjectPodcast ➢ Insta: https://www.instagram.com/markbellspowerproject ➢ https://www.facebook.com/markbellspowerproject ➢ Twitter: https://twitter.com/mbpowerproject  ➢ LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/powerproject/ ➢ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/markbellspowerproject ➢TikTok: http://bit.ly/pptiktok  FOLLOW Mark Bell ➢ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/marksmellybell ➢https://www.tiktok.com/@marksmellybell ➢ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/MarkBellSuperTraining ➢ Twitter: https://twitter.com/marksmellybell Follow Nsima Inyang ➢ https://www.breakthebar.com/learn-more ➢YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/NsimaInyang ➢Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nsimainyang/?hl=en ➢TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@nsimayinyang?lang=en  Follow Andrew Zaragoza on all platforms ➢ https://direct.me/iamandrewz Stamps:  00:00 - Hostage Tape. 03:22 - David's elbow injury & recovery 08:33 - Why, sometimes we feel better after an injury 10:48 - Pain definition & management 17:04 - Chris C on dealing with his injuries 19:16 - Proper Bending posture to avoid pain 21:42 - Chris C's chaotic order training 24:25 - What happens if walk wrong 30:21 - How did Nsima handled injury 32:32 - Chris K explains Motility vs Mobility 35:35 - Emotional pain is closely tied to muscle pain 41:52 - Forms of good movements 44:12 - Chris K talks about Mechanisms & Origins of spinal pain 50:06 - Chris C on dealing with pain 51:34 - Good Workouts tips for beginners 53:00 - Different patterns to manage pain 59:12 - Naboso Neuro ball 59:35 - Chris K talks on activate both sides of brain 1:01:52 - Get rid of muscle stiffness 1:09:15 - What, besides proper diet helps to get rid of muscle stiffness 1:13:09 - What happened when Chris worked for a physical therapy clinic 1:16:10 - Prioritize your health, have fun & be happy 1:21:26 - What has helped Nsima to perform at a high level 1:24:51 - Rope Flow basics 1:29:36 - Why is Rope flow useful 1:37:17 - How does Gravity affect running 1:45:47 - Foot patterns of a sprinters 1:49:17 - Like, share, subscribe, comment, follow the podcast 1:49:37 - Way to connect with Chris K, David & Chris C 1:49:56 - Smelly's tip 1:51:24 - Outro #DavidWeck #PowerProject #MarkBell #FitnessPodcast #markbellspowerproject

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I didn't get hand-holded. But maybe if I'm lucky, by the end of the podcast. Let me see what we got going on with these glasses here. You see how bad his vision might be? How bad my vision is. I'm probably going to see crystal clear. Oh, my God. I can read.

You have little ear things behind you. Be prepared. Be prepared. Those aren't glasses. I put those on and it's a completely different view.

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All the aliens that he could see as soondy said that that's actually a documentary. All the aliens that he could see as soon as he put the glasses on. Right. Wait up. Are we on? I'm trying to fuck up my taste buds real quick. So, Mark, you've been using this a bit. Yeah, some ketones.

Ketone IQ. Yeah, give it a shot. How do you think? I'm liking it. A shot. I'm just curious because I haven't had it yet until today. I don't think your microphone works. Yeah, you know. No, I don't hear it. See it ain't uh working in my ear that's why i told andrew i'm like andrew

you sure you tested out my mic because he'll do this to me on purpose he won't put my mic on i hear you just fine you hear me just fine so i think i know what's going on it's the headphones that they don't hear you okay so yeah it's gonna it's going to take me a second. Okay. Okay. But okay. You're all good. Everyone hears you except everyone else in the room. I see. Right. We can't hear one thing. I'll go one,

one year in and one year off. This stuff tastes horrible, dude. Yeah, it does. It does taste gross. How about some of that Kratom? It's not as bad as it doesn't

taste as bad as mind ball. We got some Kratom right here. We got some Kratom right here. Chris wouldn't let me take Kratom. Good. Oh, good. You're the first person. We've got some kratom right here. We've got some kratom right here. Chris wouldn't let me take kratom. Good. Oh, good read. That was a good call.

You're the first person. I ordered some for both of us, and I didn't let him have it. I was like, yeah, you ordered 20. Give me 10. Here's the 100 and whatever. I don't think David needs to be amped up any further. And literally, he's like, nope, I'm not giving you the kratom. So, David, you had something wrong with your elbow. You had some sort of, I think, a surgery or something like that,

and you tricep at your feet and some things like that, right? Yeah, total. That was impressive. From a long-ass time ago. Long time, yep, 16. Well, I was 16. 52 right now. And then my boy Chris over here took a look at it,

and he seemed to be able to give you some help right away. Oh, yeah. What do we got going on? What happened, Chris? What do you think? So we had a pretty bad tear in there, and obviously they tried the best to repair it surgically, which a lot of times, and we even covered it on the last podcast,

is you tear something, you're not going to foam roll that out. You really need to go and get it repaired, and then we can start talking about relaxing the tissue and making sure that it gets restored correctly which is a lot of what pt kind of is leaving on the table for guys like me so when we look at the human body we have uh these tensegrity i'm hoping right now that chris touches me standing next to me and he's amazing it's gonna be very sensual I'm like, I hope he touches my traps. It's going to feel so good. So we look at the body from a tensegrity perspective, right?

Where we have equal amounts of tension, not just side to side, but also north and south. So when that tricep lets go, okay, the trap is now unimpeded in the amount of tension that it can produce. unimpeded in the amount of tension that it can produce. So nothing is really calibrating along that line very well. Okay. The trap just takes control because there's nothing that's resisting. Gets kind of stuck, huh? Yep. So what pulls it?

Exactly. This is our fascial system. This is the architecture of the human body. This is what moves us and what shapes us when people will look at the bone and the muscle and the nerve and say that that's more important of the brain that's more important okay so the fascia gets stuck and there's nothing that's really resisting its angle of pull anymore so when david told me that he had a tear there and then the next thing he says, he goes, he goes, yeah, I just have an ever-present knot in my trap.

I said, I'm sure you do. And a little bit of targeted pressure in different orientations. Why? Because our body holds itself, the fascia will orient itself in a different way in different positions. So when you're laying down, the fascia really isn't working against gravity that much. So we can get in deeper in some areas. Now, when we lay on our side, one area of the body is being propped up

and the other side is not. So we can work on it a little bit differently in that respect. And then we have him sit down and I get the elbow directly down in there. He didn't like that too much either. No, I loved it. And then he loved it. I said I did. I did down in there. He didn't like that too much either. No, I loved it. And then he loved it. I said I did.

I did. Delicious discomfort. Yes. There you go. That's amazing. I've never heard that before. That's great. So then I taught him how to do it himself up against the power rack, like when I was

showing you and Chris. And that's all it comes down to is just recognizing really what's mechanistically true in the human body. And it's not that his tricep is ever going to be restored and be full like it normally should. But what we're going to do is we're going to stop the dysfunction and we're going to stop the pain. And you said deliciously discomfort, but I'm very much a promoter that you don't even need to be in that state at all. Oh, yeah, yeah. You can get to the point where it's one, two, three.

You know that it's kind of still there. It's operating in the background. But it's not going to cause any serious problems moving forward. Another way to say it is you got to go through hell before you get to heaven. So when you're pushing and it's hurting yeah there's light at the end of that tunnel that's bright and worth it there is absolutely absolutely what we find in modern medicine is that and even in in massage therapy is that there's this we want to stay away from pain or more discomfort when we're trying to get better you know so you

get the people doing stuff like this to the to the arm and it's like well yeah that feels better maybe it might be taking a little bit of my stress away heavy petting yeah heavy petting but we're not really changing the structure at all right and then you might get some people who see oh mark he's this big guy right so I got to get in there and drive my elbow and just mash that tissue, right? And what we find is that there's this very thin line between the fascia understanding that it's either getting better or incurring another injury. Let's talk about this for a moment. And I want to get everyone's thoughts here on some of this. And I want to get everyone's thoughts here on some of this.

I think today, you know, we should focus a lot on pain, what it's like to what happens when you get out of pain. Because I think sometimes there's like pains, there's like little things that we have that we just accept. And we're like, this is normal. Like, I'm supposed to feel this way. And then those things sometimes when they're left in the past, you're able to move so much better. So I think we should talk about movement as it pertains to sport, as it pertains to like running, gait cycle type thing, and just like managing pain. But the question here is what do you guys think happens sometimes when we get an injury, when something hurts,

and then we make it past that injury where we're like somehow better off than we ever were before. Is it possible to like knock something loose or knock the fascia loose or something like that? What do you got, David? I got a story. For 30 years after football, my shoulder hurt because it or dislocated so many times that i think the theory that i'm have is that the long head of the biceps sort of almost became a dead tendon um because it was just you know so much damage incurred so i had like shoulder pain that it was constant like you know

irritant not preventing me from doing many things but just just an irritant. And I was shadowboxing, and I threw a punch, and the long head of the biceps tore off. And so you could see like the golf ball of how it rolled in on itself. It was like, boom, snap. Oh, my shoulder. My shoulder doesn't hurt. And that's why I didn't repair it. My shoulder. My shoulder doesn't hurt.

And that's why I didn't repair it. Because the damage sort of fixed a problem that had lingered from previous damage. And then the mitigation of this new damage was a hassle and it hurt, but I'm through it now. So functionally speaking, I've lost nothing that I care about. Maybe my front raise would be less, but I can still carry the baby to the changing table. So that's an example. Yeah, I've had some things that happen like this before, and I should have maybe said something slightly different than injured, but I guess more like a tweak like something small like i've had a bunch of things that have happened over the years that have been small and i've come out the other end like finding

oh should i actually move better now like i don't know what i did or how that happened but i feel like i moved better and sometimes i've noticed a strength increase chris what do you think uh might happen with stuff like that and is this, should we be, I guess, more optimistic when we get injured? Maybe like, oh, maybe this will yay off someday. I have a, I have an article that I wrote that I never published and it's aptly titled, what really happens when you're doing mobility work? Okay. And it's a theory that I developed off of a gentleman by the name of Ilya Prigogine. He was a Nobel Prize winner back, I think, in the 1920s or 1940s, somewhere around there. He was doing experiments on thermodynamics, and he found out that what ends up happening is chaos turns into order, which then turns into more chaos, which then turns into order. And he was particularly talking about gas molecules. Okay. So we have a room and we only have two gas molecules

floating around, not too much chaos, right? If you add another, you might get a little bit more. If you start to add, you you know maybe 10 million molecules now all of a sudden you got a shit ton of chaos in there right they're bouncing off of each other going you can't predict anything so it comes down to what we call open and closed systems a closed system is something like a brick you smash a brick it's not repairing itself okay the human organism is what we call an open system it continuously remodels from chaos to order to chaos to order so we're in order he hurts his shoulder you said playing football now it's in chaos the body is tasked now with remodeling that back into order.

Okay. He throws a punch and the body says, you know what? This is the perfect time to let this go. What an opportunity we got here. Yeah, I like that. Okay. And it remodels from chaos back into order. Okay. And this is what we are doing when we're doing some type of foam rolling or soft tissue release or we're consistently seeing a manual therapist

is we're taking this organism that's out of order, okay? The introduction of the pressure is not more order. It's more chaos because the body's what I call functioning in dysfunction. And it will sometimes hurt so bad that it will feel chaotic, like where you feel like you can't breathe and all kinds of things can happen. Yeah, yeah. Or something, you know, literally just snaps or separates. And a majority of the people that come into my practice, I ask them, I go, you know, how long did your knee hurt before that MCL let go?

Oh, like six months. Okay. And what I tell them is it's probably been about 10 years that your body was dealing with some sort of pain or instability in that knee before the pain developed. And then it decided to say, you know what? I'm not doing any more of this. And I was talking to Graham, the barefoot sprinter out in the gym just a minute ago. And he goes, you know, what's your definition of pain? And I said, well, I'm going to steal one from Thomas Myers here.

Pain is the body's intent to withdraw. So if I put my hand on a hot stove, am I going to sit there and think like, wait a minute, is this hot or not? You hit that hot stove and before you know it, right, that's coming, that hand's coming back. You step on something that's sharp and that foot's going somewhere else immediately. You don't even have to think about it. Okay. So what your body is consistently trying to tell you with these little alarms, these little painful areas, I have a problem and I need you to withdraw from doing that activity. If it's a knee problem, we have pain somewhere in the adductor, maybe even the hip flexor, the quad, the IT band, and the hamstring. The leg's a cylinder, and all of that muscle tissue has nerves running in it, particularly, I believe, the obturator and the saphenous run into the patella tendon. If we get an occlusion, if we get compression or a knot, or we get some sort of trigger point somewhere in that tissue near the nerve,

all that's going to do is send it right into the knee to get you to withdraw from doing that activity. But what we do, what medicine does is they look at the knee and they say, obviously, the knee has to be the problem. And it's the symptom. So when we work on the problem, we get the symptom to go away. And then what we're looking at is the body probably created a lot more problems either upstream or downstream from where that was. So now we have to kind of do our seek and destroy thing and find out where the next piece of chaos lies. So it's chaos to order, to chaos, to order, to chaos, to order. And in my back pain Bible,

I show people this is your true line to ascending health. And it goes, you get better, you get a little bit of something weird going on. You get better, you get a little bit of something weird going on. You get better, you get a little bit something weird going on. You get better and you get something weird going on. That's exactly how I refer to it. I said something weird happened. Yeah. And all that is, is your body saying, wait a minute, slow down. I'm trying to figure this out. I need to move a whole bunch of stuff around in the body so we can become orderly again. And then when that order becomes present, we feel better, we move better, we're doing, maybe I haven't done overhead squats in like months. Now I feel like I can actually do them. So I go and do them. And the body says, wait a minute, I haven't been able to do this.

So we feel a little bit of irritation for a couple of weeks, but then all of a sudden we don't have the pain. So the pain used to be an eight or a nine. The irritation is maybe like a two to a four or something like that. We do a little bit more work on ourselves. We open up areas in the fascia so things are being distributed. We can breathe better. Okay, the tissue can breathe better.

And then we go do the overhead squats again. And maybe we don't even get that pain or irritation. Okay. We knock that out. Right. So that's the way that I see. I have no scientific studies behind it, but I've worked on,

you know, probably 25,000 hours on the table and happens every time. What you got on this, Chris? What are you thinking about? Yeah, so that's what I actually love. Chris Chamberlain. He set this up. I like this.

So I actually haven't had like very many injuries, and I totally know what you're talking about, though, like a tweak or something. Something you feel like something shifted, and maybe you felt a little bit for a couple days or something, but like, man, I feel stronger now. And I noticed this actually when I've had like periods of like i'm totally focused on something and a movement practice is not something that i'm in and what i sort of feel like it is for me based on everything that we've

sort of worked on uh weck method is i'll i'll get stuck in the center a lot of the time and this shift or tweak i get is usually my body i feel like shifting into like structural integrity something that feels like it actually went where it should have gone and it gave into where it should have been but i it did it in an abrupt manner when you said stuck in the center by the way what did you mean so what i mean by that is like i i have found we we teach rotational principles and we sort of define we have our definition of that whatever but this we do a lot of side bending. We'll put it at that, right?

And then a lot of like moving from side bend to side bend. Okay. What I found in a lot of my practice or if I'm sitting in front of a computer all the time is I'm stuck in the center. And when I get back to my business, I'll pick up a lot of the traditional lifts. I'm going to do push-ups. That's a place I would start a lot. I'll hit bench press. I'll hit squats.

I'll hit deadlifts. And I'm in the center a lot. And then I'm going to decide I'm going to do pushups. That's the place I would start a lot. I'll hit bench press. I'll hit squats. I'll hit deadlifts. And I'm in the center a lot. And then I'm going to decide I'm going to do a single arm carry for the first time in two years or something like that. And I'm going to go stupid heavy because I feel like I'm strong right now. And it shifts me into that position. But it didn't before maybe I was ready to accept that position. But it was the most efficient way to move in that. And we were talking earlier, I always bring it up. I used to carry plywood all the time. And plywood forces you into a position like that.

And it's the appropriate position to be in. You give into it, right? And if you've been out of it, and I just automatically shift into it, and I'm not ready for it, I get the little tweak. But ultimately, my body had a basis before it that it probably was a stronger position. I feel better. David and I are thinking right now, how can we make money off plywood? I know. I know. I already figured it out.

And Stephen, what you got? Dude, we've been talking about this a lot, actually. But there's this guy who came in. His name's Tyler. And he tweaked his lower back recently. I tweaked my lower back a few weeks ago, too. And one thing we were talking about is what is a way where you can train yourself to, obviously when you're doing a deadlift, you need to hip hinge down to the bar. When you're doing a squat, you need to hip hinge down. But when you're picking something off the ground, you shouldn't need to feel that. You need to look at that thing and hip hinge down to pick it up. But what you see is a lot of individuals who do strength training, they're not used to bending at the back to go down and pick something up.

That's actually for them. It's not comfortable. There's inhibition because it's so tight. So everything they do, they hit pinch, they hit pinch, they hit pinch. And then once there's a little bit of something in the lower back and,

and let's, let's say it's movement under load or they go and they pick something up and they round their back and they pick something up and they round their back, they tweak something. So back to the pain aspect of things, if you can get yourself to do things like you should be able to pick something off the ground and backbend to do it without any pain, right? And if you can just train those patterns without having inhibition with it. So initially, let's say you think about it, then you go and you pick it up with a rounded back. But over time, it becomes something that's more so instinctual.

That could be something that can help an individual get out of chronic pain when bending or when trying to do something with the barbell. Because again, everything ends up being so stiff. I got some of this so uh i want to go back to chaos and order a little bit because for me i feel like the human being we don't actually have a lot of like physical trials that we have to go through like we sort of put ourselves into things and behaviors and whatever fitness or movement we want to do just because we love it but it may not be our prime function or our prime order and this is where we really we love to steer things. Dave says fight flight. We really like to think, excuse me, think like walking, just walking is a function

that is order for a human being. And if we can, if we move in a way that promotes order, then there's less chaos. And you guys were asking me like, do you feel pain? Do you ever feel like you have to bend over? Like, do you feel like? Do you ever feel like you have to bend over? Like, do you feel like you can't do it or you have to do the thing? And I don't feel that stuff anymore. The more I've put order in my life and taking all of the things that I loved in my training and steered it towards a single purpose.

But what do you say order? Oh, go ahead. When you like, what do you mean by order? Because your training, there's more elements than a power lifter would have, right? So someone would look at your training and say that's chaotic. But what do you mean by order?

So my training would appear chaotic because I like to explore a lot of feedbacks. My order is that it's all rooted in like specific core principles. So feeling. See if you can pull a little bit of that up, Andrew. Yeah, and basically that means it's like anytime you put a new tool in my hand, I'm thinking the exact same thing. That's it.

No different. Doesn't matter. It's always going to come back to the same thing, and that's the same thing I think about when I run. Tell them what that same thing is. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So for me, it's this idea of coiling cores. That's a good exercise of it.

But this idea of coiling core training or feeling torsion or rotational principles being funneled through my body via my trunk first. Are these fake weights? Well, this is – Every one of these has been sagittal. Yeah. Well, so some days I like to get my on. But this is a specific one here. But – I see. Hey see hey yeah the grip bell yeah you guys

have these yeah and you'll see so like even like a move like that like an rdl somebody might do they would do it more linearly you kind of see i'm moving through that sort of like screw corkscrew type effect there and like even that ham curl right yeah like i'm taking it across so what are these things you're thinking of when you pick up any tool so for me immediately it's to the trunk so i believe in two different torsion lines that the body does one would look we call it external one we call internal okay it's that's what it is for me and then the ability to move between those two lines right now you're moving your chest and your spine and things like that but you. But you're talking about throughout the whole body because the shoulder has that.

The hip has that. Yeah, absolutely. For me, we'll say the trunk is where I'm – that's the thing is my focus. I see. The hands, the feet, they are a product of the task. So if I don't need my hands and my feet, then they might just be able to hang out and I could just do like spinal waves or something. But I like to pick things up and maybe i want to pick the thing up and put it up you know i mean so it's gonna have to respond but it's gonna start from the trunk for me and

for me i'll either ride it like two different ways i'm traditionally most of my practice especially when i first met dave i steered it all towards bipedal like forward movement yes the more i have evolved in this, the more I've been working with like fighters and grapplers and all this stuff and just needing to find balance in my life, I've spent more time on the other side of it. So like just picking objects, what that is.

And I sort of equate it to swinging. So tool wielding rather than moving with tool type thing. What happens to people? And I'm just kind of open conversation. Anybody can kind of answer this one. So I think, you know, walking, I think we all agree is like a good activity, right? To participate in. It's movement, right?

What happens when we don't have the right order of like how you're kind of quote unquote supposed to walk? What happens there, David? Let me. Compensation. Yeah. Okay. So you have productive tension. You have protective tension, right?

Nervous system is going to prioritize protective tension because it's going to keep you breathing. Okay. Keep your heart beating. Keep you alive. So if you have imbalance, the task at hand is what you care about. So you're willing to compromise perfection because otherwise you get nothing done, right? And you don't come into this world programmed to move well. Every two-year-old does move well. We call them toddlers because they toddle around and they round their back when they squat deep. And I think there's a lot of idealism when we think about these statements that are made in fitness and exercise. The compensation is that Chinese water torture that doesn't hurt you now.

It doesn't hurt you tomorrow. It doesn't hurt you the next day. I'm fine. I walk fine. I walk fine. I can go get a bud from the fridge and I can grab you one too, right? I'm not in any pain. Doorbell rang. I'll go grab the pizza.

Okay. 15 years later, we have a compensation pattern to develop. We have no idea how. Right. And what you're saying, which is that it is a systemic pressurized thing. The skeleton is literally suspended. It's suspended. The femur is not crushing down on the tibia, right?

Thigh bone and shin bone are not like bang, like bricks. It's this tensional balance that's suspending the guy wires. And that means that a problem in one area can go to any other area. It's a fluid matrix. Everything's connected. Everything's connected. So that's why the TMJ, oh, you had that bruised toe. You broke your toe.

Yep. And now you're seeing the ear, nose, throat specialist. And neither the podiatrist and the ear, nose, throat specialist, they don't have each other's number. Right. So get back to walking, okay? Because this is something that I couldn't be more passionate about,

as you all know. It's the functional activity that is the bridge to all other functional activities. In terms of survival, you've got the breathing and the eating and elimination and those things, right?

They supersede. But walking is the number one most functional bridge to all things. breathing and the eating and elimination and those things right they supersede but walking is the number one most functional bridge to all things you walk to the squat rack you walk to the swimming pool you walk to the horse riding arena you walk to the jiu-jitsu mat you walk i've actually seen mark glide before he levitated yes well i taught him ever since he met me Big cat So If you're And the consequence of doing it poorly Doesn't matter now

Doesn't matter tomorrow It doesn't matter for 15 years So why bother, it's not a high priority And it's a boring subject for most people But that's why I think, you know, I view the pro athletes And you know, the people with You know, you know, I view the pro athletes and, you know,

the people with, you know, following and stuff, they're the neon sign. And if you can make the best, better, it's sort of proof of concept that yes, they have something valid,

but I want to attract and inspire everybody to take note. And I think that that's why this friendship is evolving because we want to leave a positive mark on the world. Right. And if walking could just be imbalanced where you eliminate for all intents and purposes any compensation, well, now you've got the chassis that's going to support all things and chronic pain is not practically the guarantee because if you've been compensating for all this time over that number of reps that rock is now sculpted okay the water has worked its way through and there's no rewinding

and getting full function back you're into some adjustment that's going to make the best of the situation as it is now not as it was to begin with and the indicator becomes pain and the pain is oh no now we're going to talk about the psychological aspect of this because we talked about dr john sarno who's a new york city guy who basically his hypothesis is that back pain it's a hundred percent in your head it's a hundred percent in your head And it's like, okay, you can fix it by thinking different. Now, true in many cases, probably not true in all cases, right? But it's an interesting perspective. And pain is something that most people fear.

But pain is something that when you run from pain, it will always chase you down and it will always corner you. You have to face the force and deal with it. You can't lie about it. You can't lie about it, right? And if you run, it'll just corner you. You have to face the force and deal with it. You can't lie about it. You can't lie about it, right? And if you run, it'll just chase you further. And that feeling that the best defense is a good offense, right? And so I used to get very upset when I would get hurt, and I'm rather fragile compared to the real men here.

So I would get hurt more often, rather fragile compared to the real men here. So like I would get hurt more often and I used to, it used to devastate me. But now when I get hurt, I literally view it as an opportunity. How can I make adjustments? So to nobody even knows I'm hurt and I'm getting everything done that I wanted to get done. And what did that teach me that what I can do with my body when it's not hurt?

So that's literally how I treat it. And a lot of us go to the pain cave as therapy. You're going to lift through it. Dude, let's not lose the train of thought here. But I want to mention exactly what you're talking about right there is what I do to handle all injury. Again, with the back injury that happened recently, every single day, what I would do was see how much can I bend into this without it being catastrophic potentially. And that I noticed, okay, I'm bending. My body wants to hold my

breath. Let me just try to relax and see how deep I can go into this and just rep it out, bending down, coming up. If I was coming out of my car, the first day I had to fucking come out of my car like this, right? But then I was like, okay, let's redo that. Relax. Come out of the car like you normally would because I had to train my brain to be like don't be inhibited by this. And each day I would keep leaning in deeper and deeper into what was going on with my lower back. and each day I would keep leaning in deeper and deeper into what was going on with my lower back. It healed up pretty quickly, but it was the way I was able to heal up,

but was leaning into a comfortable amount of pain. Whereas a lot of people, when it does come to an injury or something that would happen, obviously it depends on the injury, but most people would kind of shy away. Oh, it hurts. Okay. I'm not ready yet. It hurts. I'm not ready yet. Right. And that can set in bad patterns in the long run. Yeah. Andrew, do me a favor. Go to Google and type in the word motility. M-O-T-I-L.

And then read one of the first definitions that comes up. Let's see. Motility is a term used to describe the connection of the muscle that mix and propel contents in the GI tract. So, yeah, that's functional GI disorders. Keep on going.

The term functional. I was like, that's not what I was looking for. Okay, my bad. Maybe I spelled it wrong. Motility. No, that's about right. Motility disorders. Hold on.

Maybe I looked up the wrong thing. It's mainly about gi stuff so if that's not motility maybe movement type in something like that it's the smooth muscle all right let's try this again motility is defined as the movement of cells by some form of self-propulsion a little bit better a? A little bit better. In my back pain Bible, since we're being thwarted right now, I talk to people about the difference between motility. Stay a little closer to the mic. I talk to people about the difference between motility and

mobility. Okay. Motility is the freedom of movement without thought. Okay? So you were talking about you drop your keys, and it's like, do I got to, like, oh, God! Pull up the pants and, you know, get warmed up and get ready to pick something up off the floor. I want to butt in just for a second. Pretty much any time you have to think about anything, it's a problem. Yeah.

Like, I need to make more money. You're trying to solve a problem. I need to do this. I need to do that. Anytime you got to think about it, something's wrong. What we're born into is we're born into motility. And there's two things behind here. I have an almost four-year-old daughter.

And what my job is to not make her conscious okay she was born unconscious and what do we do as parents don't eat that don't drink that don't sing don't do that get down from there don't jump and it's like their whole world is a playground and they're just having fun and then you wonder why you know kids grew up to hate you as a parent, right? Like you tell them, I can't do anything. So when we look at children too, they're born into motility. They're learning how to move and you either learn how to move well or you learn how to move unwell, right? And a lot of that is being reflected back to you as a child in what your parents are doing. Mirror neuron. Right? So Bruce Lipton, Dr. Bruce Lipton, he says, show me the man and I'll show you the child or show me the child and I'll show you the man. One of those two.

He says between the ages of two and seven, this is when everything gets imprinted upon us for later on in life. Doesn't matter what it is, how you treat a woman, what you eat, how much you drink, everything like that. So if you, as a parent, if you're not moving well and you're having children, they're going to pick up on your movements because their myoneural fascial system and their brain is there to be a sponge and learn. What do I see all the time? And we know anybody who has kids, you could have said a swear word like 10 months ago and stopped. And then all of a sudden your kid starts talking and it just flies out of their mouth. And you're like, but babe, I swear I haven't said that in like months.

It doesn't matter. The kid's been learning for months. You think that they can't hear you or just because they can't talk yet, that it's not coming out, but that gets stored somewhere. Okay. So that's really when we're talking about, you know, the development of pain and how David obviously knows and Chris, I mean, all you guys know when we are in pain we've been in pain

and the general public thinks I can I know October 10th was the first time I felt back pain okay and when we look at the human body there's only two types of pain the pain that you feel and the pain that your brain feels okay and the pain that your brain feels has been running in the background for years and what are the brain what does the brain the fashion the nerve and the muscle and the bone and the capillaries and the arteries do and the organs they just solve problems every day to keep you alive so now that math problem has gotten so long right the body just runs out of answers and says, okay, we just need to sound the alarm. And surely our guy is going to stop squatting or stop running or stop doing Brazilian jujitsu. And we don't, we're like, this isn't really that big of a deal.

Right. And then six months later, it's chronic. And then six months later, we're either looking at drugs, shots, or surgery in order to continue doing what we love to do. So my biggest message to people is, like we just talked about, pain is developing every single day. Either you are getting 1% more in pain by your terrible movement habits, or you're reversing or slowing down that by 0.1% every single day. And it's just, it's not cool to have an upright posture, right? It's not cool to be doing the things that you're doing or running head over toe, right? But we see that the best athletes have done it and are still doing it, but nobody's out there teaching that. So we blow with the wind, do whatever that we want.

We sit however we want. We act however we want. And then 10 years later, 15 years later, it's like, man, I got to get surgery for this. What's bad movement? Like, can we, I'm sorry, you have another point. Movement that forces a biomechanical compensation is bad movement. Right? I mean, if, if, if.

mechanical compensation is bad movement. Right? I mean, if... So, like, let's just say somebody walks and their foot is pointed way out to the side and then their kid walks the same way. Would you say, like, if they don't have... If they don't run into a problem, is it not a problem?

I would say it's not a problem. Well, the example that... I would say that the example that you're using could have a structural origin that is out of anyone's control, so it is good movement given the circumstances. It's all they got. Okay, right. You make the best of what you got, right? So in that sense, right?

Not hurt, plays forever, one of the best in the world. All right, what are we talking about here? You know what I'm saying? He's doing just fine, and I got a theory about why, you know, if I'm the king, then I ain't got to protect the stones. Slip my nuts. There you go, baby. I'm open up.

If I'm the king, right? I ain't all like, ooh. I'll be all pigeon-toed. I'll be all crafty, right? Coming after the king. But... So if you're not running into an injury... But bad movement

is movement that forces the brain to engage protective, not productive, compensatory tension to deal with the fact that you ain't moving well. Right? Now, if your leg is bent or whatever and you've got something structural, well, you could be doing the best that you

possibly can with that because there's a lot of roads in. So, I'm reading Jack Dempsey's book on boxing, which is fascinating. Oh, Jack Dempsey. There's so many jewels and counterintuitive information that rounds out your true understanding and the knowledge of it. And the pictures that are drawn illustrations in this book, they had to be drawn from seeing the human being in that position because the artist would never create what you're seeing. And it looks odd and peculiar, but when you start to understand movement the way that we've uncovered and understand it, you see the tensional balance in the position. And it's just a tensional balance, and it's

three-dimensional, and it's changing moment to moment. And so what we wanted, I prioritized the bones. When I got the flu some years back, it was a massive opportunity for me to operate this thing as a bag of bones with not an ounce of muscle because I ain't got it, but go up the stairs without being exhausted. And if you have the jujitsu mindset, we're going to slow this down. We're going to invest in the loss right now because we're here to learn and do it better. And everybody's always in too much of a hurry. That's your number one problem when you start out is you're going to step two before you got step one. And we all do it.

Every one of us. Right. But what you're talking about, I mean, getting back to the psychology. Right. Like, give you an example. Like, I believe psychology is the most important factor, right? What you believe. That's the most important factor.

So an athlete, for example, if you're training in two, if your competition is in two weeks, I don't want to touch you, right? Because I don't want to put you in no man's land making you doubt anything, right? You go with what you got and you go 100%. So that psychology of teaching – before I knew any of this stuff, I didn't know any of this stuff. I went to doctors and I begged them to cut me, begged them to fix my back, right? Wow. me begged him to fix my back right wow i had pack pain for a year and it was miserable back pain where i was thinking about it was a big problem i was thinking about my back all the time and i was squirming all the time and i took so many freaking naproxen to leave that you want to talk

about the guts well the motility was fucked up from taking all those drugs so and I I just I denied the pain right oh okay alright I'm just gonna make it go away

I begged surgeons to fix me and fortunately none of them did and then finally I figured it out for myself playing on a freaking stability ball was how I figured it out anyway myself. Playing on a freaking stability ball was how I figured it out. Anyway,

I sort of diverged and maybe not keeping it on point. What are some maybe agreeable things that would be things that you would say are part of good motion, good movement? That's what I would say.

I think we're kind of getting to this idea that people move different. We adapt to i think we're kind of getting to this idea that people move different we adapt to our environments we kind of don't actually have major struggles per se anymore that like we not physically physically yeah so let me go on that yeah so like this is where like walking however you walk i still think is like that good thing and that's where that's where i keep kind of bringing up to you guys. I'm a little more obsessed with like how the trunk works and how the core functions and stuff because the hands and the feet

sort of represent themselves differently with a lot of people. We see a lot of commonality in it and we like to say we got the fix or we have something on it. Like that's just kind of how sometimes people need to digest stuff. But if you're really working with us

or working with somebody, they're going to see your tendencies and you can lean into your tendencies and it's like we're when we're working with like a like a sports specific athlete they have a lot of repetition in something that's usually very sighted and they have like a lot of like adaptation to that and discomfort or chaos in their life because they're not because most of the repetition in their life is not towards that order of a basic function like walking, whatever that is for them.

So I think the more, again, if shit hit the fan today and we all had to get moving, we might have to start migrating again and stuff and walking is going to be a big piece of that. And if we haven't been prepping for that, that would be a struggle. So I think that being like thinking of what a human does as a prime function something we're going to all do every day keeping it in the back of

your mind but chasing the things you love and knowing that it could create chaos chaotic adaptation but if you keep again that other playbook in in there and you're you're exploring it you're getting in 10 minutes of walking a day. You're keeping after something that's prime for you. And then you can find a coach or somebody. The industry is steering a little more towards movement now. So you can find somebody that maybe can look at you and can work with you because anybody that's a coach, you're working with the individual. We can say whatever we want to say, and we make judgments based on the person

if you're really being a coach for somebody. So I think that's really what it comes down to. When it comes to some movement, do you guys think, or pain rather, do you think most pain comes through the spine, like comes through the back in some degree? So people potentially in their day-to-day maybe not moving correctly or lifting weights incorrectly and even if it's not necessarily registering

as like a lower back issue, is this all just from the spine? Do you think that that's okay? No. I would say maybe it's sensed to the spine. It's, we could say it's sent to the spine sent to the spine okay so yeah i'm not even and i'm uh i'm not even talking about like uh from a central nervous system perspective at all i'm just talking about like maybe some of the pain is from just the spine not being like

unlocked yeah super stiff type thing so when when we're looking at the body the body has a hierarchy okay of uh protection i guess we could say who wants to protect the head number one brain's in there who wants to protect the spine what's in there right the wiring yeah uh spinal cord okay lots of important stuff i tell a lot my clients, we look at an anatomy chart and there's 10,000 nerves. Guess what? There's only one. And it starts at the brainstem, goes into the spinal cord, right? Once again, through science, we separate these things, right? The way that I teach people pain starts to develop is it enters through the feet and then it gets translated through the shoulders. So I just had a retreat out in Hawaii on the Big Island. And we do a lot. I mean, everything that you can imagine from the minute they wake up till they go to bed.

And one of the hour slots is mobility work. OK, and I show people six out of the eight people that came in, they were crooked. They had a high shoulder, they had a hiked hip and they had a short leg. Okay. Six out of the eight people. How does that happen? Are you, are you sitting and your shoulder gets out of whack? Are you, it's from standing, from walking, and then, you know, any of your other aberrant patterns. So to me, this could be totally untrue, but the way that I see and the way that I fix most things is helping people understand that the pain gets translated from the feet to the shoulders, okay, in an X pattern.

So my right foot is driving force to my left shoulder. My left foot is driving force to my left shoulder. My left foot is driving force to my right shoulder. We're spiral beings. That's why I love what Chris is doing with all of his videos, okay? And putting things, fascia wraps, fascia twists. I just want to add real quickly, you actually utilize walking in your treatment.

Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Like during the treatment, you'll work on someone and then you'll have them walk. You'll work on them and have them walk. Yes. The magic does not happen on the table.

Okay. Our body is not going to change in a restful position. Okay. Fascia is this supercomputer that's tasked with like literally reading our movement every like split second, microsecond that we are walking. Gary Lyon is very famous for saying this when we are at sea level. Our body is absorbing 4.2 centimeters per inch of force on our fascia. A guy is going to be absorbing about 1,800 to 2,000 pounds of force a day every single

second on their body. And then a woman is going to be somewhere between 1,500 and 1,800. Now, the kicker is that fascia can withstand about 1,000 pounds of force per square inch. Okay? So think about that from the time you create this function, your body can literally withstand breaking down from that for 10 to 15 years. Right? And it's the continuous movement, the overcompensatory patterns that we develop, okay, that get translated from the feet to the shoulder, okay, in a rotational manner. Okay, you slow someone down when they're running, you can see, you know, we stay tight, but we're a rotational being even when walking.

So, yes, what I think is besides the pain being sent from the feet to the shoulders, it's then going to be translated through the spine. Why? Because if we have a serious problem and we get back pain, you know, it's curtains. After that, you're in bed. You're not even moving. You're not just not playing your favorite sport or doing BJJ or powerlifting. You're not even upright at all. So when I'm working on people, I tell them, we're going to work for about 15 minutes. You're going to stand up and walk. And that's because the magic doesn't happen on the table. Or if you're doing work on yourself, the magic doesn't happen on the floor. The body's at rest. It allows you to penetrate the fascial layers deeper to work out the adhesions, get them

to slide better. Okay? And then when you stand up, now that this adhesion is no longer restricting movement, it's going to let go, and it's going to create space for other areas of the body to work better. Okay? And that's how we unfurl, and the body goes into chaos and order, chaos and order, until all of a sudden we're in a really great state.

I say basically – I'm sorry. Was he making faces behind us? I know Chris is over here. No, he's jumping. All right. What I was going to say is that I consider strength just pressure management, right? Sure. It's just strength is pressure management.

That's all I think of it as. Now, let's hear it it's just like the way i have felt sorry the way i have felt pain is like changed completely i will say this this is very odd so like i'm doing some stupid lunge snatch thing or something and i drop to my knee really hard and i'm like my knee right like god this I'm like, ah, fuck, I hit my knee, right? Like, God, this hurts, right? And I'm thinking tomorrow, like, my knee is just going to be wrenched. Dude, all I feel is, like, somewhere in my trunk is just, like, knotted up and, like, all, like, jacked up from hitting my knee really hard.

Aside from, like, a touch of a bruise or something like that, like, that direct, like, immediate, aside from like a touch of a bruise or something like that like that direct like immediate like contact i feel like i've like picked up this weird sense of like when i hit something like out here like it funnels all to my trunk and that's where it all gets like stuck and i can sit here and i can work this stuff out and i get relief on just like a base level it's just something that's bad i don't know it's just something i have noticed big time like i've crushed my toe and like i definitely have like when i'm walking i have like direct pain on it but like honestly like working up here has been the thing to relieve all of it so i challenge you to find anybody anybody though that is that in tune

with their body oh yeah you know i challenge. You're not going to find too many. No, sure. That's the problem. The time investment and the determination. And real quick, on that note, what do you think are some beginner habits that can help somebody get a little bit more in tune with some of the aspects of their body

that Chris and some of us feel here. What are some things that people can start doing? I mean, one thing you can see, like, the feet are important. You mentioned things start there, so maybe the feet. But what else? So I would say lifting without a mirror. Right? No, that's a good idea.

Lifting without a mirror. Why do you need visual feedback for, you know, a dumbbell and Klein bench press? If you were hunting something, you wouldn't be looking in a mirror. Intuitive. Why do you need visual feedback for a dumbbell inclined bench press? If you were hunting something, you wouldn't be looking in the mirror. No. If you're playing football, you're not running around with a mirror. Right. Where's the football? You're sensing.

We say the directional intent, like what is the point of the task? That's why I said like task training. What am I doing and what am I directing all this towards? Could be internal, could be at the mirror, but what is it really, if I'm looking for carryover, I'm directing it

towards something? And then, shoot. Maybe even closing the eyes, maybe? Sometimes, yes. Like kind of going inward? Yeah,

but that's what taking the mirror away does. It forces you to focus more internally on your movement, right? The second one would obviously be barefoot. You know, go barefoot, not all the time, every once in a while. Train the body like a caveman. Okay, yeah.

We also have like a lot of what you're teaching where some of the stuff you were showing me, especially today, where you get this discrepancy between one shoulder and another shoulder, right? Like someone's kind of reaching overhead or even reaching out in front. The right shoulder may lower a lot. The left shoulder may raise up a bunch. You're shortening kind of at that hip. Some of what you guys are teaching, I believe, is in regard to locomotion and in regard to just trying to move more athletically. What I want to kind of see here is maybe just a discussion along the lines of if we create some good rotation, and I don't have the right words to describe because this looks a little different than rotation.

Is this a transverse plane? I don't even know. It's all three. Also forward intent. So let's put it this way. We work in the biomechanics of gravity. We're dealing with gravitational force on us and in the most prime function we do,

standing upright, this is the best representation of how you manage it and get that force to direct itself to the ground i guess all i'm trying to say here is uh it seems like you guys have found this to be something that is helping people manage pain by going head over foot yeah well you're back to the we want to reduce to all intents and purposes to eliminate compensatory protective tension. If the head is in the middle, you are in an unsustainable position if you were to lift one leg. So if I'm standing here, my feet are 12 inches apart, and you're not going to move your head. Your head has to stay in the middle.

You lift one foot. You see? You moved your head your head has to stay in the middle you lift one foot you see you moved your head right so if you lit if i'm there and i lift i'm instantly in a force vector that's making me go in that direction okay the wide receiver is going to stab out well we did make him hover and float right so maybe he can right but so so basically if my if if i'm here and I lift, it's instantaneous there. I'm not in a sustainable position. That means as I'm passing through it, I don't notice that it's not a sustainable position because I pass through it fast enough.

But the lower back on the opposite side is going to prevent the cantilever. They call it like a trundle, whatever effect, where if I swing through and the pelvis dips, I got big problems, right? So what's going to end up happening, I'm not balanced. So my lower back lights up on that other side just a bit to keep that hip suspension high enough that I can swing it through. And I land on the next one, I land on the next one, and I did 10 million of them. I was putting a tiny little stress on the lower back. And I figured this out because I got into bad back pain and then figured out how to get out of that back pain. And then I was able to train clients. And basically the nutrition, right, the hydration

and the flushing and the communication of fluids and things in the discs of the spine, it's not like there's blood going there, right? It's mechanical stress that gives it the nutrition, right? Food makes bodies. Food makes fascia. Okay, food makes fascia, but the movement is what models the fascia, right? And the movement is what nourishes it. Exactly.

It's nutritional, right? It's medicinal movement. And when you get in tune with the walking, we're top of the food chain because we can walk the way we do, right? That's why. three-dimensional sort of massage of these softer tissues in between the harder tissues of the spine and you tend to get oh the whole radius of that thing the whole annulus is now getting a equal and opposite every position is just getting the right amount because it's balanced and the musculature around it is not compensating to to hold your dumb ass up because you don't know better. Yep.

Right? Exactly. And it's a great way to kind of massage out some of those compensation patterns. Yeah, well, it's like movement is life, right? That change is the only constant. So when you can get that, like... Can I say something on this? So, like, he was talking about, like, somebody coming in with a high shoulder a high tip or something it's a very we call that in a sense same side stride where they may be living and

performing all acts on one side of the body they're sighted because i can function i can walk i can do everything here i'm carrying a piece of plywood my entire life on the left side okay right right and at some point that's going to cause that – that's going to – it's chaotic. It's unbalanced. So if I can cut into that for a quick second and just reiterate what you're saying. First time I've ever seen a massively raised shoulder. This guy used to install windshields all by himself. So what he did, he'd put the windshield – one windshield – the bottom part here. The top part would actually rest against his head, and he would walk over to the car like this.

Yeah, yeah. Okay, and he literally came in, and I mean, incredible back pain and hip pain. He literally came in like this, and I'm like, did you look yourself in the mirror? Did you, like? You told me not to look at me. Do you know?

What I love about this, though, like, we're not body workers, but we're movement practice. He is a body worker. I know he is. No, I know he is. He gets to, like, work with somebody, like, right then're not body workers, but we're movement. He is a body worker. I know he is. No, I know he is. He gets to like work with somebody like right then and there. He can see this thing.

We're developing practices for people like a movement practice for somebody. And with that information, and I know that somebody can function sided, then I know they sure as hell can function on the other side. And when I know that and I can expose them to it, then I know that they can alternate between the sides. And then they can take that information and they can come back to their powerlifting. And then they can start applying their powerlifting and all these like isometric holds and running or walking or whatever. And they can start feeling it in their jiu-jitsu. And then they can take what they learned from their jiu-jitsu with that new body and feel it in their walking and take it back to their powerlifting. And then you sort of get this nice little circle of life where we're sort of managing or massaging VASHA and stuff and developing more order in our patterns.

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And at checkout, enter promo code POWERPROJECT to save 15% off your entire order. Links to them down in the description as well as the podcast show notes. Would we all agree that there's probably going to be some discrepancies between one side and the other no matter how much you work on it and try? And maybe there's not even a reason to try to have the left side and right side function the exact same way yeah very few people one of the things that i believe uh drives naughty aguilar absolutely insane is he still sees the inconsistencies in his body even with him using his functional patterns all the time okay so he's chasing like this perfectly straight body like when he was born but me for myself when i

was younger i used to play hockey so i would be shooting right-handed played baseball swung right-handed i was a pitcher i threw right-handed i was a quarterback i threw right-handed okay even still to this day with everything that i know about the human body i still have a little bit too much tightness in my pec minor my right trap and my rotator cuff and my bicep okay is tight and rotated in from from snapping that ball and i've been working on it for like 15 20 years i got one everyone can relate to what about wiping your ass yeah oh my god i broke my right arm and holy shit that is a serious matter right you talk about thinking about a problem right yeah oh try doing that with the left just try it today i learned i learned to wipe my ass with the casted arm oh there you go i was like you know

this i can't normalize it and I didn't care back then, so. I didn't care. Yeah, we should start mixing up the way we wipe our ass, though. Deal with that inefficiency. So that we can get. It's one of the, like, I'm much better at it now. I don't think we need to chase perfectly balanced. I think that's silly. And I think what we're sort of getting after here, for the part is we're trying to like eliminate pain or we're talking about ways to to manage

pain or work through pain or mitigate mitigate yeah get rid of it you should lean into it at times um but i think like you played everything right right-sided and was that a great part of your life and it was joyous you loved and would life be the same for you if you did not do that no way then who cares right and if you're able to mitigate any of any of the negatives from it then you're fine what do you guys think about uh like stiffness you know i think we've all experienced we played sports and done certain things and you go to drive somewhere or fly somewhere and then you get up and you're kind of doing the old guy push off the the seat or push off your own thighs and you're making all kinds of noises and people think there's a fucking bear

on the plane or something um how do we uh how do we get our bodies out of this uh this stiffness and and or is it just part of just getting older so a body in motion tends to stay in motion, right? There was a very long time ago, before I was really into tissue the way that I am right now, I remember reading a study that they had just come out with, they being the scientists, showing that they found out that there's actually a polarization of the M1-type macrophages in the immune system that increases as you age. And what this is, is it's pro-inflammatory. So even though while you're sleeping and your body's repairing itself, the older you get, the greater of a concentration you have in this M1 to the M2 macrophages. So you wake up stiffer and you're going to be stiffer throughout the day. Okay.

Having said that, you know, it comes down to a multitude of different things. Like we already talked about, you can still always get better. Yeah. Hydration. Are you drinking some type of structured or hydrogen water? Right.

Are you eating a really good immune centric diet or something that's as close to what our ancestors ate? Or, you know, are you the potato chips and the Subway and the pizza guy? No. Nope. Nope.

No, no, no. I'm the ice cream and too much candy guy. No. I'm not the potato chip guy. All right? Now, I was going to say that the number one thing that I do is, like, I'm different than a lot of guys in fitness because a lot of me is not a fitness guy. I just, I get away with my diet, okay?

I get away with it. And I'm bipolar, so I've been super disciplined, can't be more so. And I've been super undisciplined, can't be more so. Because diabetes is like feeling it. When I did the Ben and jerry's greatest laugh it really is oh i got different ones i got sinister sinister one but still uh diet diet i did i did four ben and jerry's every day for eight months some days five some days six and one day seven those are like a thousand calories each dog

oh i know i know when he was looking at one serving he thought it was the whole carton Some days five, some days six, and one day seven. Those are like 1,000 calories each, Doug. Oh, I know. When he was looking at one serving, he thought it was the whole carton, but it's four servings of a carton. How much weight did you gain? Here's what happened. It's like an experiment. From a fat accumulation point, it's hard for me to – I'm a hard gainer. So what happened to me for that ice cream is I thickened. Okay.

I thickened and I got up, you know, one 95 or so. I felt fucking strong, felt amazing. Right. And I didn't have to eat much in the morning. Ice cream in the morning.

You know, you have a problem. I didn't have it in the morning because I didn't even want it then all i wanted was black coffee that's it and it's a new diet yeah so and ice cream is like it makes you feel good you think real well doing it like it's a it's a pleasure in the moment thing and i could get away with it for a long time this time yeah it sounds really no no it's a diet that leaves you high and dry so you have work to do once you're off the diet but the reason i stopped this crazy behavior was because my fingers and toes were falling asleep and hurting at the same time yes so i got on my knees i okay. You ate so much ice cream that your fingers and feet went numb.

Yes. My point in telling this story is that diet affects your stiffness. You almost got rigor mortis. No. For me right now, I'm in a stiff phase of my life.

We went to catch the... First of all, they discourage Uber and Lyft at the Sacramento airport. It's like, make a right, go down that, cement staircases, now crawl through a fence in a parking lot and you find it. It takes a while to get there. It takes a long time. And we took the shortcut, which meant I had to bend down. And I'm like bending down all old man.

You know, like, fuck, I don't want to get my backpack all wet by putting it down, so I'm going to hold it. And the point is, is that my diet sucks right now because I indulge. I get away with it. You can't tell. You think I eat pretty decent. But I'm learning to prioritize protein and all that. But my point is, is that when I ate clean, just beef and broccoli, I was flexible as all get out. I was so flexible. Right now, I'm walking around in a triple ply fucking lifting suit.

You said you were running. You felt like you were in a wetsuit. I felt like I was running the other day with Graham. And first of all, jujitsu and running for me yeah they're that's water and dirt they're opposites yeah so graham's like let's go to the track and run i'm like all right i'm not gonna be able to accelerate and i'm not gonna be able to run all that well but i'm happy to run you did pretty good yeah i mean especially first time No, no, but the problem was is that, like, compared to how I could run, if I was eaten clean and I can now cycle the leg, because I was explaining to Mark, I'm not a power

runner, right? I'm a position runner. I got to bounce on fascia. Hey, that's day one. That looks pretty good for me. Look at the way your arms, like, the range of motion. Get the that's day one. That looks pretty good for me. Look at the way your arms, the range of motion. Get the shoulder. The hip. The night before, I probably had 15

ice, no, how many? 12? No, yeah, I probably, 12 ice cream Mexican popsicles. Why are you doing this? Because I'm a weak man. Because I'm a weak man. Why so many?

We found the kryptonite. The day we whacked kryptonite. Yeah, why not four? Or two? No, three. And plus a bag of macadamia nuts because I saw Thomas DeLauer talk about how good macadamia nuts were.

That was great. Palmitolytic acid. Yeah, so I get the chocolate cover ones. And I eat the whole nine dollar bag and that's at the bargain outlet so the point is

is that emphasize bargain yeah I got a bargain market and it's why I eat so poorly because you know

they got nice junk food we got to move you away from that store I know it's not working out so but but I can tell you that

that like Mark wrote out like a plan on how you taper. I showed it to Chris. He's like, that won't work. Well, I was just thinking he really seems to like ice cream a lot, so let's leave it in there. And I just said, hey, when you run out of it,

don't buy it again for a little bit. So anyway, the whole point is that you want to get rid of stiffness, stop drinking so many beers during the football game, right? Clean up your diet, clean up everything, right? And it's hard as hell to do is the reality. All right, so you clean up your diet and you're still stiff. What do we got? Oh, Jesus.

You said to continue moving, right? Yeah, now we want to get down on something like a little cross ball, something like a foam roller. We want to use some bars, some bands. Just apply pressure to the system. When we look at fascia, fascia has more pressure sensors than pain sensors. Okay. So eventually the pressure is going to override. And the way that we look at fascia and its layers,

when we get an adhesion, so typically the muscle tissue is going to be sliding and gliding like this in and out. Okay. We get an adhesion and what ends up happening is that partial layer gets stuck. So now here comes the dysfunction. Okay. So what we want to do with pressure, pressure works on our fluid balance system in the body, particularly hyaluronic acid. So two minutes it shows, science shows two minutes of consistent pressure in any one area, the body starts to produce hyaluronic acid. Now, we want to look at that adhesion like somebody poured a whole bunch of honey on top of it, okay? It's stuck. It's not moving that well, functioning in dysfunction. When the hyaluronic acid comes in, it's like adding water to the honey.

Now, all of a sudden, it starts to become less viscous, and it starts sliding better and better, and then that adhesion will break up. Function gets restored in that area. Okay. And now that's creating space for the entire rest of the system to move, albeit in probably a little bit of dysfunction here and there. But to me, you know, going back to, I don't mean to throw Naughty under the bus and you guys are like, no, we're not body workers. We're movement specialists. Ben Patrick gets people pain free with their knees through movement. So you guys are like, no, we're not body workers. We're movement specialists. Ben Patrick gets people pain-free with their knees through movement.

So you guys are body workers. I don't look at any one modality and say this is the only thing, okay? When Ben says that he doesn't foam roll, that's where I tend to disagree a little bit. I feel like you may even feel a little bit better and protect yourself even from more injury if you get down on a ball every once in a while. He does everything else right. And there's nobody more disciplined than him. You can tell. Yeah, you can tell.

Who are we talking about now? Ben. Yeah, Ben. You can get people pain-free with excessive ranges of motion like he teaches, knees over toes. You can get people pain-free with movement. I don't care how silly it looks or people might think that it's silly. Nadi's helped potentially thousands, maybe even tens of thousands of people restructure their body through movement and get rid of pain. Now, what I like about Nadi is he also believes in pressure.

If you buy his programs, the first thing that he shows you is, hey, we got to get down on a lacrosse ball and we're going to take this med ball and work in the abdomen you know and there are not too many other things that i would start with other than pressure for somebody that already is in pain especially when they're doing it themselves because they can control the pressure where somebody like me if i'm working on mark I might have a tendency to just be like, you know, suck it up here just for a second. If it's somebody else, a lay person, then what I would be doing is backing off and being like, okay, you know, what can this person handle right now? That's the level that we work at.

Okay. So doing it yourself, I believe, is actually one of the best ways to start. Yeah. Okay. You desensitize yourself and you can control all the pressure there's nothing to fear become curious about your body and once again i keep on referencing back to like medicine where they're supposed to be the experts don't be the google doc don't be the web md come to me for all the problems and all the pain and everything like that

stay in the dark be left in the dark. I want to keep you stupid, okay? I told a story this morning on Chris's podcast about when I went into physical therapy clinic to work for the first time. I was fixing people left and right. Six months later, I get into my review. I think that I'm going to get the highest of highest raises. I'm the golden child. And I literally have the owner looking at me saying, you're not a yoga instructor, so stop stretching people. You're not a massage therapist. Quit getting rid of people's trigger points. Quit getting rid of their adhesions. Stop explaining shit to people. He literally swore. Wow. Stop explaining shit to people.

You are here to dangle the carrot, give people enough to where they know they're getting better, but not too much to where we push them out early. This is what he said. This is what the owner of the facility was telling me. He said, quote, dangle the carrot. Dangle the

carrot. Wow. Dangle the carrot. I don't even like Wow. And he said. Dangle the carrot. I don't even like carrots that much. Dangle. I don't even know why. High glycemic. He said, if you cannot abide by these rules, your services are no longer needed. I just graduated with my master's degree in kinesiology.

I'm ready to fix the world. I looked at him, super cocky still, and said, do you want me to leave now or should I finish my shift? And he said, your services are no longer needed. I got all of my stuff. I'm walking out and he stops me in the doorway and he's like, how much do you want for all of your weightlifting notebooks? Because I'll cut you a check right now. And I looked at him and I said, they're not for sale. The notebooks are 99 cent composition notebooks. Okay. But the IP in there, I've been developing for seven, 10 years already. So I'm not going to sell them to you. And I just walked by. He was walking behind me saying, you'll never work on this island again. I'll make sure of it. You better watch your back.

Do this. And this is like five foot six, you know, 60 year old Asian dude. Like he's established. He's got a couple of facilities. Who am I? I just graduated and I'm looking to help people. This is a great story. help people. This is a great story. Two weeks later, he sends police over to my house to arrest me saying, you stole medical records. And I went in, got the composition notebooks. I go, is this

what he's talking about? These are not medical records. They're weightlifting programs. Look. So the guys are like, we'll be right back. They go back down in their car. They come back up. I got to sign an affidavit, explain everything. Goes in front of the judge. It gets thrown out. Wow. That was my introduction into wanting to do the right thing and helping people in the system. That's an unbelievable story. Believe it. Well, I mean, it was a good story.

I think let's try to stick on the topic of how to get out of just, I guess, chronic pain or chronic discomfort. So you mentioned myofascial release. We talked already about walking. Walking is a nice input for most people. And then we got, I guess, maybe stuff in the gym. What are some things maybe we can do in the gym that would help somebody that is 50 that feels like they're 70 you got something i just want to say before i push andrew can you pull up that video of what natty was doing right there because i know when you pulled that up some people are going to start trying to roast but the thing is is like

even though that looks kind of wild could you do could could could like if you're if you're listening or if you're watching well could you do that could could like if you're if you're listening or if you're watching well could you do that with a cable well chris just mentioned curiosity i know so huge huge curiosity is good but think about the amount of stiffness yeah that most people have right and just the way he's moving with that cable with the load on the other end of the cable most people cannot comfortably do that or just roll around and let their body contort in those ways. Well, I love talking about like minimal restriction.

He's literally showing that right there, even though it looks wild and crazy. I love when these practitioners, the people that are practicing, that's why I mentioned to David, like go out and run. I think it would be great for people to see that. And down the road, as you get more proficient with jujitsu,

it'd be great for people to see that. I've seen Chris work out before. Chris works out like a fucking animal, Chris Kod've seen chris work out before chris works out like a fucking animal chris kudowski over here and this chris over here works out like a fucking freak so it's it's great to have that proficiency to show like hey what i'm doing it does have merit and if you follow any of the stuff from functional patterns especially from nowaday he's starting to do some striking and stuff and to me i'm i'm not a striker myself i don't know a ton about it but he's starting to look like he's getting better and better at that stuff all the time.

These look like some complex movements as well. Something I like about this, you were talking about pressure. We like pressure as well. We do a body temporary. I love using a kettlebell. I'll do that a lot of the time over maybe a lacrosse ball or something like that. I saw you lean in and mark into some stuff. I love things like that.

But something I've always had in my practice, like that i saw you lean in mark into some stuff i love things like that um but something about i've always had my practice especially when i was doing tons of calisthenics gymnastics uh was just moving around on the floor like because you'll just expose yourself to pressure and points on your body that you may not have even decided to put yourself there because you're just getting started you may just be putting the lacrosse ball where the person told you to put it and you don't have that playful, intuitive sort of curiosity yet. And if you just start moving around on the floor, I know even just doing this with your kids,

if you have kids, get down with your kid. That's the easiest way to do it because it's something productive right then and there that is going to be good for them and you. But if you are at the gym, find a mat and just start moving around a little bit and rolling around and just notice how that helps your body.

Maybe you feel something. Maybe that's what you should go put the lacrosse ball on or hit it with a heavy kettlebell or something like that. I love the external load like that rather than just the pressure of my body. I feel like there's some level of being able to give into it a little bit when I put something heavy on me. But yeah, I mean I cannot express, like roll around on the floor. It's so good for you. A lot of this is really just tuning back in to our inner child, right? We become adults and work becomes very serious, right?

Bills become very serious. The family, everything, the dog everything the dog right everything our our joy is taken away and then we develop pain as a result right and that's very serious and then we got to take pills that's really serious now we might have to go and get surgery that's super serious right you look at naughty like what is he? He's playing around like a kid. You give a kid a hammer, everything becomes a nail, right? So where's your joy? I ask my daughter when she gets upset. I go, where'd your joy go?

And all of a sudden, it's like a minute later, she's happy again, okay? So if you're in that much pain or if you're having that many problems, ask yourself, where'd your joy go? And where can I go and be a kid right now? Is it going to play at the beach? Maybe some volleyball or something over there or spike ball, whatever. But what we have a tendency to do, reach for another beer, reach for another slice of pizza, have no motivation to go to the gym today, slice of pizza, have no motivation to go to the gym today, clearly because I have so much going on, right? You deprioritize your health, okay? And nothing is fun to you anymore.

So that's where I would start. If anybody out there is like, well, I can't do that, or I can't be David or Chris or Mark or and Seema you are you meet yourself where you can move like a kid have fun with it and then all of a sudden watch how things start to open up Vishen Lakhiani said go to the extraordinary mind you're not going to be happy when you're successful you're going to be happy and then you're going to become successful. So you start with being happy and having fun with whatever you're trying to do with your body, and eventually you're going to see these doorways open. Things will feel better and better, and then pains and afterthought. You do some crawling every workout, right?

You do a bear crawl forward, backward, sideways. I know Encima's been playing around with it. Nsema, you're doing jujitsu, the powerlifting background, bodybuilding background, and now you're running. What are some things that you're noticing that is allowing you to still perform at a high level? Like you're right in the middle of your athletic prime. Yeah, I'm going to try to be as short with this as possible, but I think,

you know, when you're power lifting or when you're focused on building muscle and strength training in the classical sense, everything that you're doing in the gym has you figuring out a way to get tight and to become strong. So you're getting under a squat bar. Okay. Let me brace my core, rib cage over hips, hold my breath, squat down, come up, do multiple reps like that, put it away, and then maybe walk around and breathe. But I'm still walking around like this. I'm not undoing any of that. So you do that rep after rep for hours with different movements. Bicep curl, you're not bending here. You're here. You're rigid. And I noticed that I built up that rigidity in the gym when I started jujitsu. I noticed people were moving in all these different ways. It did help me to loosen up and move in those different ways with jujitsu. But the thing that helped me the most was figuring out how can I replicate aspects of that actually in the gym? Because in the gym, yeah, you're trying to spend time to gain strength so that it can play a role in everything else you do. strength so that it can play a role in everything else you do. But I think, and what I've found is,

at least personally, the movement patterns in the gym showed itself in the way I moved in daily life, even on the mats. And I had to, in the gym, think of different ways of like, okay, I'm going to do a row, but now can I, what happens if I bend and I do the row with a full range of motion, come all the way here, come all the way back here and allow my body to bend doing some of these different things maybe not the heaviest load possible but allow the load to pull me into different positions and what that's done is it's allowed me to now have less bodily restriction when running when doing jujitsu because i'm not limiting my range of motion all the time there's still movements like we were doing that nordic deadlift, right? I'm not going to fucking bend my back and let my, I'm not going to do that when doing heavier loaded

movements. I'm still going to get the benefits of that load, but I take time to do lighter movements in the gym where I can allow my body to express hyper ranges of motion. And that kind of, that undoes all of the stiffness that I create with all the other heavier loaded movements that I'm doing. So I think if we can figure out ways, and you guys are doing an amazing job with this, of not just having movements that apply locomotion, but then your spine is moving in different ways with this amount of load and it trains an individual not to create chronic stiffness in the gym that then pulls itself into your daily life. This is what I was talking about. Like, I really feel like a lot of what we're trying to do for to create chronic stiffness in the gym that then pulls itself into your daily life this that's what

i was talking about like i really feel like a lot of what we're trying to do for somebody that isn't more into the classical lifting style it can fit as like your traditional accessories in the weight room we're thinking about things and we're having to put reps in anyways like it have you felt like your power lifting or has gotten worse no so you know what i I mean? But you feel like everything else is getting better? I have an ability to create. You know what I mean? That should just be an invitation right there. At least try it.

Be curious. Be intuitive. See what it feels like for you. Explore it in your own way if you so choose. Look into what we're doing. Check out Nowdy. Check out some of these other people that are getting into this stuff. But I think you'll see that you're not going to get weak doing it.

There's no need. I'd like to finish kind of on this topic of the rope. And you have another invention, creation. Yeah, we brought you a few of them. Yeah, great. You guys showed me the rope last time. You showed Andrew and I and sema as well um when i see you use the rope on instagram and when i when you were showing me more stuff today i was just like man this is such a great tool because you're moving the rope around your body you're not really even asking a lot of people to really necessarily jump like jump rope we're specifically saying for a time don't do the jump and i and i like

the intention of it and i think maybe sometimes when people see you on instagram maybe they're not 100 sure of what the intention of it is what are you trying to get people to do? I mean the rope is integration, and the two tin cans with the cord gives you communication. So the right can sense at every instant along the path what it's getting from the left and vice versa. If you don't let go of the handle, it's impossible to get tangled in it even because you could wrap it, wrap it, wrap it, and all you do is just pull it apart and you're connected with the rope. We brought you that rope, the hybrid rope. But what it's doing is it's a progressive way that can be extremely simple, and I think we're starting to see the beginnings of normalization where it's like, oh, okay, this person is not jumping through the rope, but they're still swinging it around. I am trying to get you to do that logo that's in the background, to time the up and down absolutely perfect with everything by rotating everything in with an integrated timing because when a human being moves it's it's almost like the earth moving like the earth is spinning and

it's rotating and it's a lot of shit going on when we're moving we're not just moving in one the spiral dynamic is the fucking game i mean it's the dna it's the actin myosin filaments themselves like when we rotate our shoulders are not only going back and forth this way, but they're also going up and down as well. True rotation that is most functional, the figure eight never has to stop. If I go

linear in one plane, now I've got to stop and go back, unless I know better and then I get the loop. And the smaller I can make that loop, the more deceptive I can be in the Marshall. Right? Because that's essentially what we're doing is absorbing and issuing.

But with that rope, it's ingraining that over and over again. There's what I want you to see when you see this and there's what it does. I think he's kind of getting a little more into what it does but there's like five patterns you can learn with it. Stationary, you can drill it.

Just like any other thing we decide we're going to do, we look at it and we kind of give it that like, what is that? Do I like that? Is that something I want to try? It doesn't look like it might be that hard. Well, there's only five things I got to learn with it and then I can sort of pick it up and get after it. Okay, like I'm not jumping. My foot's hurt right now. So, okay, that's good. I can pick that up. It's very after it. Okay, like I'm not jumping. My foot's hurt right now, so okay, that's good. I can pick that up.

It's very accessible. I don't have to buy a rope. I can just go get a rope. Sure. You can use a regular jump rope if you so choose. There's benefits to using different ones. You'll feel different feedbacks, but it's simple. You can pick up some movement, and you can get excited to learn and be curious and start feeling something and moving

your way in those patterns because everybody's going to actually look a little different when they're going through these patterns yeah you'll notice that when you're like you start to teach this to people and what's really cool on the like what it does for you is we start to create symmetry in the brain we start to get this unification of the brain harmony harmony harmony right brain left brain yes right because the hands which is already now making me more curious yeah and i'm feeling something different than i was used to maybe in some of my fitness practice and movement practice you can find some other clips andrews this way well the origin i want to say that the our origin

of realizing that you know it's like you you know, Wonder Twins unite, right? Actually, I'm just going to say something real quick too. We literally have a whole free course on our site just to learn this. So you can just go do it and pick it up. No. Your stuff on YouTube. No. Don't even look at it anymore.

I literally, I made our course free because you need it. Like it's, I want this accessible. I really wanted to talk about this topic because I think people are going to pass this up. I think they're going to think it's dumb. Yeah, right. There's not a in there there's no challenge i'm not going to do it right yeah yeah well and x if i you can always add weight to things i like going heavy i want to say this real quick when i started doing some of the stuff with the rope and the dragon roll or whatever when i was learning it i noticed whoa what the fuck why is my shoulder feeling sore so this the thing. It's like when you're moving in those ranges and the little bit of feedback from the rope repetitiously, you'll feel soreness in different areas. It's dope.

I've been running before and I'm right at that point where you get like a runner's high and I'm like kind of feeling the flow of what you guys are talking about and what you're teaching. And I'm like, that motherfucker David Weck, he's on to something. He knows what he's talking about. Cause I could, I could feel that starting to integrate into my body. So this has been something that I've utilized that is actually helping me when I'm running. So something I love about this is it's like, I did tons of mobility work and stuff in my life and I had time to fill it with it. I'm a coach and it's my job. You know what I mean? I know i mean i could sit around do and i just started being like man what's the best bang for somebody's buck and exploring movement at the range they need to be at right then and there and this thing just lets you i have a complex task that's not even that complex but it seems it at first but i get to

move through that at my exact range and i'm unifying both sides of the body and like you'll start seeing the more advanced the skills get they start demanding like huge ranges of motions that sort of have this like infinite like like intent behind it like you can keep chasing the range don't be settled with i got the move done the task can be done better and let me just say when the range ends the intent never stops you see what i'm saying that that's how you get the most so so we're chasing adaptation we're chasing learning and adapting and progressing in something so there's like this endless progression and then if you're somebody that maybe is stronger i got the patterns and like

i want to like i like this i'm including this in my program now you can progress in it linearly you can start picking up heavier things. I'm into some of the more conventional type swinging tools. I swing kettlebells. That would be the most conventional. I think a lot of people are into that now. But clubs, we do the RMT club, steel club as well, maces, Bulgarian bags, for any of the fighters out there that really get into that.

But all these different tools that you can start swinging, a lot of people are starting to do it with barbells online because it gets you some attention things like that right have you seen the uh the the hydro cores i think they're called filled with water yeah it's a that's a similar to the bulgarian bag that style right but you get that perturbation from the water but like this tool like being somebody that was already in that world a little bit i have found that this tool will be the best invitation for people to start exploring those types of objects if that's something that intrigues them and there's a great learning process with it and then it carries over to those other swinging

elements as well again i go back to their integration it's the single best modality on planet earth right inclusive because you can do it non-impact and go at your own pace and do tons of reps with it you can get in so many reps per unit of time that it's you know it's only it's a very short time frame that you can get 10 000 reps because you could do a thousand easily right and then 10 days you've done 10 000 and the day that doesn't it's rainy and it's cold or it's snowing wherever you live and you're not going to go for your walk outside. You don't have an expensive treadmill at your house. Right.

Do it right there. Rope right in your house. And it acts as the Rosetta Stone, meaning you will be able to interpret and translate any task beyond that rite of passage. You've entered the doorway and you graduated with the muscle memory of you know the ropes and that muscle memory will now serve you in the assimilation the acquisition and assimilation of all skills and i'd include mental too because the brain harm the brain harmony right and it's literally using the biomechanical motions to create this electrical harmony, this storm of electricity, right, is biochemistry. And we're just running it. If your car doesn't start and it used to be, you know, you had a clutch, get it rolling down a hill, pop it, and bang, you're in.

Yeah. Right? And one of the really dope things is initially it's pretty fucking annoying yes it can be frustrating but when you get used to it and you become good enough you can get into a flow with that thing because of the nature of what it is you can get into a flow with it i showed mark how when i would train hard and the next day you know you don't feel like doing it i could ramp myself up from a low energy state to fucking yes what's next from the rope because it gives you unlike jumping a rope jumping a rope it is syncopated beat so you're on the half beat with

the jump rope you float right it's it's hands down feet up hands down feet up when you're rolling a rope fucking on the beat it's hands down feet down feet down, both up, down, up, the whole thing going down, up, and you have to rotate. There is no option to not rotate. So reps, and think about in life, mirror neurons, habituation of patterns, right? Go to the freaking county fair and watch them all plod along with the head in the middle, okay? Monkey see, monkey do, person, okay, we're even worse, right? So if you now normalize this activity, a little more confidence in the stride, a little swag, right, a little bit of, oh, yeah, right, sign a big contract,

and you're going to do it anyway, right? So the rope, it moves you in that direction and one you have to grab you have to get past the frustration and i would say that proficiency with the four patterns is gives you the infinite that that's the most if i had course we have if i had to take you the frustration away because you can do it at your own time we were in a quick trip with you last time rushing you into it you know what i mean like well you know I mean? Well, you know what's funny? You know what's funny is Chris is so good at teaching and we hone it and hone it and hone it

that the online, when we were doing it as like a paid course and you'd have to submit to pass the course, you'd submit your video, we were getting better online, we were getting better submissions from the online people doing it online than the coaches who came to us in the beginning because the instruction was so honed down and distilled to be as effective as possible. Because you owe it to the person that you're trying to help to make the onboard as easy as possible.

And people might be wondering like why, like what the hell is this for? Again, I think that stuff like this can really help people be pain-free and different different reasons for different people right i mean if you can get upper body freaking no impact cardio massive and you tone the the shoulders and the arms and stuff like when i started doing the ropes and i was doing it all the time i mean you start to see like the carving like Bruce Lee because you're moving them sticks fast when you get good at it. So it turns into like you can get a nice physique

if you're not going for big, but you're going for toned and like just athletic. Get a workout from it. The rope, oh yeah. I don't know your entire audience, but I mean, I've worked with people and sometimes the hardest part of getting started with something too is like just the insecurities of getting started and not being good enough or something like that. And to be able to have something that you can practice in your own home is so valuable in that first step for people. Because even getting out and going for a walk is walking in front of people.

And sometimes that's a lot for an individual. walking in front of people. And sometimes that's a lot for an individual, as simple as that is, but that can be, if they're at that stage in it, then having something to start developing in practice in your own space is super valuable for people. And the more bang for your buck on it,

the better, I think. So what you got over there, Andrew, uh, this first off amazing conversation, having everybody here, this is really freaking cool.

But, uh, one thing, David, like I went on a run with Mark and then we were, know we were running we were jogging we were trotting along and then just to have fun we were like okay let's get into some real like hyper david weck stuff like head over foot and you know like even do the sideways stuff and what i was telling him i was like you know like before all of this i would look at somebody that like had like a big side to side

like strafe almost as they would go forward i'm like i always thought that that was wasted movement um so why is it like that that is actually potential it is it seems appears to be at least the better uh like better way to get from point a to point b even though we're trying to go straight by going head over foot and like kicking and you know it seems like it's more, I guess it's just better. Yep. Well, the other place you'll see this is it's sprint to the finish in a bicycle race. You would think that a bicycle should just go straight because you want to go that way, right? But they're carving that thing up.

Cranking it. Because it's a lot faster to snake it there than it is to try to go straight. Now, what it has to do with is it has to do with just dealing with the force of gravity that is vertical and going from a sustainable position to a sustainable position. So that's the key to good movement is that you land with integrity so there is no compensation. I got it. I got it. I can stay there.

Now, the next one, I got to get there and meet it so that when it hits the load, I got it. Right? In the textbook, it says that walking is a series of controlled falls where you catch yourself and catch yourself. And it can be that if your head's in the middle and you're just doing it, you're not in a sustainable position. So by definition, you cannot have full productivity of the intention of your body. There is a little bit that has to account for the fact that you're not integrated 100%. So with the head over the foot, it's just a cue that sort of puts you in the ballpark where you'll

find, like, okay, that's sustainable, and then do it here and do it here, and you will experience a positive reinforcement when you get it right. And the whole head over foot is my attempt to simplify the instruction. It's free. You don't have to pay me anything. Right. And if you pay attention to it and actively do it for three weeks, you said it. Now, forget it. You're never going to got to think about it again. Right.

Because that's just now your new habit. You change where you put your car keys in your house. now your new habit. You change where you put your car keys in your house, you change it, well, you're going to go to the first spot and you'll be wrong every day in the beginning. And then the next week you'll go there twice and then the third week you go there once and then the fourth week it's in the other drawer

and you never go back to the hook that it used to be on. It's very similar. The automaticity and the human being sort of reducing things down to where you don't have to think. That's how we get shit done. That's how you enjoy life. That's how you enjoy life. I meant to ask you what that word was like I was thinking about because that flow state you were talking about, the rope too.

Look it up again, Andrew. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That leads you to that, doing something thoughtless. It is an intestinal parasite. By the book. The macrophages. By the book. Someone, you're saying there, that cycle, that lateral,

things like tools like the rope kind of help you start learning these figure eight cycles we're talking about. But my kind of thought process was like, I always kind of feel like I'm wielding gravity. So gravity's on me, and I'm not going to sit here and resist it when I'm trying to move. Like if I accept it and I am in this sort of like head over foot posture, then I have to accept it over here. And when it does that, it gives me a little jolt and it cycles.

And then now gravity is going to pull me down this side. And then I'm going to cycle back and forth. To substantial. Yeah. Substantial. Sustainability. Yeah. The more I can contain.

To substantial. Yeah, and then – Substantial. Sustainability. Yeah, the more I can – The definition of that substantial and sustainability is that, again, we're back to the minimization of compensation. So there's nothing aberrant. So there's nothing that needs to be attended to. Right.

We don't need to put a stilt over here because the damn thing's balanced anyway. Right? And it's very counterintuitive, but some things are, right? I mean, who would, you know, there's a lot of examples of things that are counterintuitive and walking just happens to be one because don't do that. Don't climb on the chair. Don't put that P, you know, over there. Don't do this.

Don't do that, right? Sit in the row, right? Listen to the teacher. Don't put that P over there. Don't do this. Don't do that. Sit in the row. Listen to the teacher. Speak when spoken to. I'm a good little soldier. I mean, it's very linear sort of. What I found interesting, and I think, I look at geopolitics. You see videos on Instagram where these Chinese schoolchildren are bouncing basketballs in a circle, and then on cue they all switch and they're moving the balls around in perfect synchronization, bouncing basketballs.

That's amazing. You want to talk about getting shit done for a specific purpose. You've got a bunch of soldiers who will get shit done. I view it as like, okay, you don't want that automaton, but if you... Look at that! I mean, are you kidding me? That is such discipline. It's unbelievable. Now, the same exact precision, but with more self-expression can be had if you put a rope in each one of those kids' hands.

You don't got to bother bouncing the basketball and take you 10 years to get good at it like that. The rope is much faster, and it will encourage you. And I'm not discouraging this. If you want to do it, it's great. I mean, Jesus, that's a lot harder than the rope. It's incredible. It's a lot harder than the rope,

but the rope gives you the same exact precision and harmony, even more so, because that – you lose connection with it. I mean look at – Jesus. But just the ability to connect with other people too. Like everyone has to be in harmony. Well, that's 11 is 1, the football team, right? I mean that's why I love football so much. But my point in that is that the rope, if we can normalize the rope, it is inexpensive, it is scalable, and it is a rite of passage for a human being to be more fluid.

And if the cool kids in the class do it, everybody's going to do it. If Dwayne The Rock Johnson got on this show and said, hey man, you've got to roll this rope. Do it for three weeks. It'll change your life. Well, shit. It's done. i can go relax right so that i believe is inspiring people to take the ownership and the self-expression because you're going to do it your own way and we love the bruce lee where it's absorb what use what's useful discard what's not add what is uniquely your own that's what's not. Add what is uniquely your own. That's what's exciting. Because we all build on the shoulders of others, right?

You didn't come up with everything, you know? So, okay, no matter who you are, what you've done, it's just an advance in the ball from someone who was carrying it before. You know what I'm saying? Now, carry that fucking ball and let's score touchdowns, right? But this is one where everybody can win man. Now, let's carry that fucking ball and let's score touchdowns. Right? But this is one where everybody can win if this

message resonates. And we've already got like a toehold in that rope flow is a thing. And I don't think it's a thing that goes away. I think it's a thing that will go on in perpetuity the way a lot of things happen, right?

Jump rope's never going away. Now we got this whole thing where you're doing flow, which means you're not jumping through it and people are gravitating toward it community-wise, right? But also individual-wise. Like if I want to be a total badass and I'm, okay, I'm going to stay in the gym. I'm not going to sleep, but I'm going to stay here all night. I'm going to get good, right? right I mean that's individual yeah right but you can have people on Sunday morning all getting together and doing it and it's exercise you're waving your hand did you know that orchestra conductors live longer than most other professions because they're waving their damn hands in the air that makes makes sense. Right? This is good for you.

You know what I mean? Anything's better than nothing. What about the, so everyone always points to this, the one woman that like, she stays super straight. She won an Olympic gold medal, I believe,

sprinter. Oh. Oh, Devers. But I think other than her, pretty much everybody else kind of has this head over foot pattern. And what I would say is that the only way to truly evaluate it is examine the footage head on. And you have to determine where the stride width is too.

Because Allison Felix, 150 meters into the 200 is. And Seema, do you know what I'm talking about? No. You're talking about Gail Devers, I think. I think so. Modern. It's like a modern sprinter, like 100 meter. Is she Jamaican? I think so. No, like a modern sprinter, like 100 meter. Is she Jamaican?

I think so. No, she's American. Yeah, she's American. I don't even know who you're talking about. I think I know who you're talking about. If her name in fact is Gail Devers. No, it's not. Gail Devers.

Wait a minute. Yeah, there's Gail Devers. That's not who I'm thinking of. I'm thinking of somebody like a lot more modern. Oh, that's not who you're thinking of? No. Oh, okay, then. Then definitely not.

Anyway, it doesn't matter. Andrew, take us on that. No, but... And look up motility again. The point, like, Alison Felix, she's still doing figure eights at 150 meters,

but her head isn't moving because her feet are running on the line. So that's always a factor, too. And people will miss. You'll miss. I posted a video on the gram of someone I forgot who. Shelly Ann Frazier Price. She's running, right? And I show it in that thing.

I think that's who I was thinking of. Okay. That makes sense. Yeah, she's real thing. I think that's who I was thinking of. Okay, that makes sense. Yeah, she's real strong. Like, I think she runs with, like, a lot of power. Yes, she does. Her body is kind of stiff. It's not stiff, because she's, like... No, not stiff, but she's not moving a lot. What it is, is it's attenuated narrow about

that center. There you go. Okay? So it's running close to the line there. But she does hit head over foot, especially in the beginning. And when she missed head over foot, it sent her this way. And she traveled from the middle of the lane to the right side of the lane, which is slower because you are going that way. And there's a great race where Tyson Gay is running and Asafa powell is running with

him and asafa powell got a better start and i think this is the one where tyson gay ran his 969 the fastest he ever ran but he got a bad start asafa powell about 35 meters into the race the footage isn't perfect so it's hard to tell exactly, but you sort of see that he misses a step. And now the next step is not as productive, and it's a catch-up, and the next one's not as productive, and it's a catch-up, and Tyson Gay goes like, pass right by him because you have one step back there 10 steps earlier that didn't set up the next one.

And sprinting is different than field sports, court sports, because in sprinting you have to get to fifth gear. All the way up, can't stop going as fast as you can. I'm building that for 70 meters if I'm good, right? So the court guy or the field guy girl they gotta go fast now right and advance quickly where you're not building it up to what they have to build it up to take us out of here andrew sure thing thank you everybody for checking out today's episode uh we gave you plenty of things to talk about so please drop those comments down below make sure

you guys slap that like button and subscribe if you guys are not subscribed already uh follow the podcast at mb power project on instagram tiktok and twitter my instagram tiktok and twitter is at i am andrew z and sema where you at and sema in you on instagram and youtube and sema union on tiktok and twitter don't forget go to the discord in the description chris where can people find you guys and then david and chris where can people find you guys at the pain bibles on Instagram and YouTube he's eroding weakness and who am I I'm the David Wegg at the David Wegg and then weckmethod.com I got two tips for you guys today obviously we got head over foot I think that's really important I've been practicing that in my running. It's been helpful. I've been utilizing it when I walk as well. Every once in a while, I forget about it. Then I think about it again. I incorporate it when I can. I think it'd be really useful for you guys.

And the other tip is Chris came here a couple of months back and showed us all just how to take care of ourselves. We already kind of knew. We know about foam rolling and stuff, and we know about myofascial release, but sometimes a kick in the pants from somebody can be really helpful. And that was really useful and helpful to us. It's not that often that we have guests that come in where we're actually participating and doing what they said, but all three of you guys, you've had an impact on us. These are things that we're carrying through. And so the myofascial release has been huge. Like I'm doing it at home. I got like a whole setup next to my bed. I got a setup next to my TV or I had got softballs and lacrosse balls and all kinds of shit to try to make sure my shit doesn't get too stiff

and make sure I'm not turning into magnesium over overnight. So thank you guys both so much. I really just want to be somebody that advocates that out to other people. Some of these things are things that I previously thought were stupid. I was like, I don't understand why anyone would go to the gym and be all fired up to lift and then I don't know why you'd roll around the ground for. Fucking get yourself in the squat rack and get going.

Motility. Now I got some different thoughts about it. I'm at Mark Smiley Bell. Strength is never a weakness. Weakness is never strength. Catch you guys later.