Mark Bell's Power Project - DMT Trips, AI, Hollywood Secrets, Aliens, & Modern Conspiracies w/ Danny Jones

Episode Date: November 25, 2025

From wild DMT stories to UFO sightings and Hollywood secrets, Danny Jones brings his best theories and strangest experiences to the Power Project table. If you’re into conspiracies, underground characters, and behind-the-scenes stories from TV, film, and YouTube, this one is pure gold.Follow Danny:  @dannyjones   @DannyJonesClips  CHAPTERS:00:00 - Intro00:58 - Gavin Newsom Politics02:20 - Kratom Benefits06:25 - Parenting Insights08:13 - Starting My Podcast Journey10:48 - Reality TV Beginnings15:35 - Launching My YouTube Channel18:16 - Dolphin Tale Experience22:46 - Podcast Launch Strategies24:34 - Deckhands Discussion25:38 - The Gates of Hell Exploration27:30 - Commercial Fishing Industry31:45 - Fishing Quota System Explained34:30 - Making the Dead Eternal Concept36:18 - Podcast Success Factors40:17 - Bill Murray on Joe Rogan Highlights42:10 - Life Changes from Podcasting45:44 - Lanny Poffo Insights49:30 - Good Life Protein Benefits52:58 - Training Routine Overview54:55 - Fasting and Mucoid Plaque Experience59:28 - Sources of Creativity01:00:36 - Creativity in Youth01:03:09 - Range of Topics01:05:33 - Do Aliens Exist?01:15:03 - Space Exploration Discussion01:15:40 - Nick Norwitz vs Paul Saladino Debate01:18:46 - Moon Landing Theories01:21:22 - Evolution Insights01:26:47 - DMT Exploration01:32:08 - DMT as a Tool01:36:23 - Jiu Jitsu Techniques01:39:56 - Game Development Process01:41:46 - Overcoming Challenges01:43:53 - Starting Young Importance01:47:35 - UFC Rounds Explained01:48:45 - Metallica Influence01:55:39 - Movie Recommendations01:57:55 - Methylene Blue & L-Carnitine Benefits02:01:24 - Scary AI Implications02:07:55 - Upcoming Election Insights02:11:08 - Jujitsu Techniques02:13:54 - OUTROSpecial perks for our listeners below!🥩 HIGH QUALITY PROTEIN! 🍖 ➢ https://goodlifeproteins.com/ Code POWER to save 20% off site wide, or code POWERPROJECT to save an additional 5% off your Build a Box Subscription!🩸 Get your BLOODWORK Done! 🩸 ➢ https://marekhealth.com/PowerProject to receive 10% off our Panel, Check Up Panel or any custom panel, and use code POWERPROJECT for 10% off any lab!🧠 Methylene Blue: Better Focus, Sleep and Mood 🧠 Use Code POWER10 for 10% off!➢https://troscriptions.com?utm_source=affiliate&ut-m_medium=podcast&ut-m_campaign=MarkBel-I_podcastBest 5 Finger Barefoot Shoes! 👟 ➢ https://Peluva.com/PowerProject Code POWERPROJECT15 to save 15% off Peluva Shoes!Self Explanatory 🍆 ➢ Enlarging Pumps (This really works): https://bit.ly/powerproject1Pumps explained: https://youtu.be/qPG9JXjlhpM?si=JZN09-FakTjoJuaW🚨 The Best Red Light Therapy Devices and Blue Blocking Glasses On The Market! 😎➢https://emr-tek.com/Use code: POWERPROJECT to save 20% off your order!👟 BEST LOOKING AND FUNCTIONING BAREFOOT SHOES 🦶➢https://vivobarefoot.com/powerproject🥶 The Best Cold Plunge Money Can Buy 🥶 ➢ https://thecoldplunge.com/ Code POWERPROJECT to save $150!!➢ https://withinyoubrand.com/ Code POWERPROJECT to save 15% off supplements!➢ https://markbellslingshot.com/ Code POWERPROJECT to save 15% off all gear and apparel!

They're like, Yo, Spacoli, you want to come out in our boat and do some video? We'll pay you. I'm like, yeah. So I got this guy's private jet, fly down to Puerto Rico. I'm on the back of the boat, filming these guys reel in Marlin. Sharks are coming up, biting the Marlin in half. Creativity is definitely something that peaks in your early years. I like to think of it like as an antenna.

The last time I did DMT, I swear to God, I had a conversation with my tree. I was telepathically communicating with the tree in my backyard. This one show that I did was about this dude who owned a chain of pawn shop. in the Caribbean. One of them went all the way to a green light meeting at Viacom and the CEO of Viacom basically killed it. So that's when I made the decision like this. I'm going to take all these show concepts I've been working on forever and I'm going to re-edit them for YouTube. The first show I uploaded was a real estate show that we created with this dude called Life for Sale. Every week we were uploading these episodes and they were doing 500,000 views.

What's the deal with aliens? Can you tell us if there exists or not? Well, I have the answers. I can tell you exactly what's going on. So are we talking politics today or what? I think so. Okay, perfect. What do you know What's up like Gavin Newsom? What do you know about politics? We don't know anything. This is a political show, right? I think Gavin Newsom would be a dead ringer for a president if he was never in charge of California.

Well, I mean, California. Like if he was more underground than came up, I think he would have done better. Isn't he Nancy Pelosi's like nephew or something? I think so. Oh, wow. Yeah, I heard he was related to Nancy Pelosi. Now I think it's going to be harder for him to ever be the president. But what do you think?

I mean, I don't know. I don't live here, but I mean, I heard that. I don't think he really likes them. I heard that California is the number one for Fortune 500 businesses. And, you know, the biggest tech companies are here. And how much money was like $28 billion went to like the homeless? And they're not sure where it went kind of thing. Yeah, it went all went missing or something.

Just went and the homeless population increased. Thanks. Who is it? Maybe it was Elon Musk I was listening to. was saying that they get a thousand dollars per homeless person or a million dollars per homeless person. Whoa, that's that's kind of wild. A million like nine hundred and ninety eight thousand dollars or something per homeless person. Wow. Was like the funding math that they do. Well, I don't know if that's true. That's a lot of homeless people. That's wacky. Wow. We're all loaded up with

that's why it's 28 billion. Jesus. By the way, yeah, we're all loaded up with cratim. You got some Yeah, we got the rabbit going. We got the, well, we got the new brew. Got some new brew. And we got the, the white rabbit what's i'm hooked on the white rabbit bro can i see that bottle i'm this is the larry wheels shit yeah it's just a it's a nice amount of cratum in there i had someone uh when i went on your show oh yes you did i forgot about that yeah i'm hooked on the white rabbit oh it's tough you get around other people they have different cratum and then you end up taking too much cratim i just had a um a cratom expert on my show he's actually like the world's leading cratom scientist okay and he did like the biggest

study on cratum that's ever been done is it a really recent study or an older study? I'm not sure. I think it's probably within the last decade. Okay. And yeah, he was explaining to me that, you know, obviously has lots of medical benefits and stuff like that with the study they did. It's not dangerous. And it's no more addictive than caffeine or nicotine. It's way less addictive than nicotine. And, you know, as long as you use it in like a non-abusive way, like I drink coffee. I've drink coffee every day of my life for the last 30, 25 years. Since I was like 15, I've been drinking coffee. And I'm still healthy, I think.

So yeah, I don't know. I'm just on a little Kratum kick right now. And I really like that. I really like the white rabbit because it's not like caffeine. It's not like jittery. You don't feel like super overstimulated. You know how you can't if you drink too much espresso. Right.

It's more like a calming, relaxed, focused energy. So I dig it. You do have to be careful with Kratum though. There's like there's different versions of it. And then you have to read the label and do your own research shit. The 708 stuff can be very dangerous. This has 708. it, but it's like less than 0.02%.

Yeah, so apparently, I don't know what I'm talking about, but I guess all cratum has 70H in it, or it turns into 70H in your body, one or the other. But some, like, what I would suggest for people to do is like always do your own research, but secondly, be very careful if you're taking anything in a liquid form. If it's a liquid form and it's a little bit bigger like this,

then it's obviously I think it's less dangerous than those, like, those little shots. And one thing I would just tell people is like, you can't untake something. So if you take a shot and you just bury down a shot, then you're going to feel the effects of however much is in that shot. So if you try something because you're curious, research it a bunch before you ever touch it.

And if you still decide that you want to try some, just try a tiny bit. Right. So you don't hurt yourself and end up in a hospital or something like that. I want to say this too. Please just be mindful to create them stuff because like I, even like the mind bullet stuff that you've had, Mark, I've never felt a level of addiction to it. Like, I could use a little bit of mind bullet

and I could stop for two weeks and I'm good. But some people, because Kratum does make you feel good. Like I always describe it as like, I want to get my mom and call and tell her I love her. It makes you feel happy. It makes you feel happy. But feeling happy with a substance is kind of, it can be a, can be a slippery slope. Because when you don't take the substance and you don't feel happy, you want to reach for the substance to feel happy. Right. So it's like, like, be responsible. if you have any of this cratum stuff. I know a bunch of people that have had to go to rehab for it. Do you know anybody that's gotten like hooked like that?

I know people who have been to rehab for other shit and then got on cratim to make to get out of it like pills and stuff because it's an opiate, right? Right. But, you know, again, like I don't remember a day in the last 20 years. I haven't had a cup of coffee. And I'm in a far better mood when I have coffee. I have a question for you.

Would you ever take a time off coffee to see what happens to you? I've done it. Yeah. So how do you feel? It fucking sucked. Okay. It fucking blows, dude. I hated it.

Just realize your life is better with coffee. Unless I like wake up and do the cold plunge, I forget about the coffee, right? Or something like that. Or like if I'm like, you know, traveling or something like, I don't have time for coffee and I'm like, I feel, I feel fine. But typical, on typical days where I have to wake up, get the kids ready for school, take the kids to school. I am like waiting for that goddamn cup of coffee. You know what I mean? Within like the first hour when I wake up.

You got three kids. That's a lot of kids. What are the ages? Six, three, and six months. Wow. Oh, my God. One recently, too. Yeah, one recently.

Six, three, and six months. For some reason, I have an image of myself just driving right off a cliff. Yeah. When I think of those days. It's something. It's something. Do you feel like driving off a cliff? No, I don't feel like driving off a cliff.

But sometimes I feel like I got hit by a Mack truck. often I do do you want more three or no we're not doing anymore my wife got her tubes out she wanted me to get a vasectomy and I said fuck that I'm not going under the knife

bitch you get and they took her tubes out to it you looked her right in the eye I told her I said I reserved the right to have kids with my second wife I'm not getting a vasectomy just kidding I don't believe you said that to your wife

she has a good she has a great sense of humor she can take it I think you're in a lot of trouble that's good um but no I'm really lucky because she is like the kind of mom that's always wanted to be a mom and she absolutely like her life mission

is to raise kids and she loves it so like I somehow just lucked out with her and she's an incredible mom and she like takes care of everything I very rarely do I have to wake up in the middle of the night take care of the kids you know unless like one kid's already taken by her and we have like a good little system down to where she could eat breakfast she sometimes she cooks on the weekends she does But she makes the kids lunch every day

Oh nice So I'm not She does She handles them And I do I do a lot too Because there's a lot of extra curricular activities We got the six year old in jujitsu

He's been in jujitsu for like two years Wow how's he liking it? He loves it He freaking loves it So so yeah man Life is good Life is good I know you have like a production background

How did you get your podcast started? Well yeah So it's a long It's a long history When I was when I was super young, like in my teenage years growing up in Florida, we were all, me and my friends were always like surfing and skating and making videos of each other, like doing tricks and stuff so we can figure out how to get better at doing our tricks and make little cool video

edits with music and stuff in like middle school and high school. And I kept doing that doing that with surfing, doing that with skating. And eventually I had a couple of my friends who had like wealthy, really wealthy parents who had like businesses and stuff, they started to like ask me if I could help them make videos or commercials and stuff for their businesses and I started doing that.

And that led to one of my friends, his dad was like an avid, competitive bill fisherman. So he would do, he would go out and do Marlin fishing tournaments or like Bill fishing tournaments where they catch Marlin, they catch sailfish, Wahu, things like this.

Fish are pretty damn big, right? Huge fish. This is like a lot of money. You got to have to have, like a $5 million boat and you have like full-time staff on the boat this is like this is like super super rich competitive fishing excuse me so what do you win like do you don't win money you win you win enough money to basically pay for your gas for the boat like the gas bill on those boats is like 30,000 dollars a day or something like that when you're out there fishing and uh wow so this this guy

you know my buddy's dad's like hey buddy they called me spicoli uh they're like yo spikoli you want to come out in our boat and and do some video we'll pay you know whatever a thousand dollars for the week i'm like fuck yeah so i got this guy's private jet fly down to porto rico and uh i'm on the back of the boat with my with my camera and my waterproof housing filming these guys reel in marlin and when the marlin we get up close to the boat i jump in the water and film the marlin and before i know i'm in the water when like sharks are coming up biting the marlin in half and uh before i know it felt safe in these situations no i didn't feel safe i just felt like i was getting paid and this was like a cool story and whatever like

It sounds pretty scary. I can't be in danger, right? I'm surrounded by all these responsible, wealthy folks that are all drunk as fuck catching fish. And eventually, so that whole thing turned into like an ESPN series where it was like a bill fishing series that was put on about ESPN.

So I was like a filmmaker for this ESPN fishing show. And I was like a videographer, I guess you could call it. You're a teenager at the time. Yeah, I was probably 17, 16, something like that. that's pretty legit yeah that's sick and then um and then i started getting odd in jobs as a like a camera guy for various like tv show like this was like the height of the reality tv show date like boom you know so i would get like emails from vh1 or m tv that they're doing this reality show whatever they need a camera guy in this fucking town in florida and i would go drive there and i'd get like a day

rate to go be a video guy for a tv show and then um that kind of evolved into me doing developing my own like TV show concepts like pitching show like pitching ideas to people and they would like invest money into it and then like we would fund I would hire a crew and we would like travel around and create like our own television pilots to pitch to networks how'd you have the confidence to do some of this dude you just did because you yeah I was just kind of surrounded by people who were motivating me to do it I I was around people kind of in that world and I was like super yeah I was super motivated to do that kind of stuff and I just always wanted to be in like filmmaking and like making cool shit so I don't know it was just kind of like chance that

I met the right people that encouraged me to do the right things or like introduced me to people like for example this one show that I did was about this dude who owned a chain of pawn shops in the Caribbean they must have owned like 30 something pawn shops scattered across all the way from NASA Bahamas down to like Bermuda or Barbados. They were in Jamaica, Barbados, Turks and Caicos, Cayman Islands. And these pawn shops were crazy because you had the most interesting weird characters coming in and out of there and like having and the craziest things that they were pawning like weird art like Caribbean treasure cars. There was like a fake Picasso that came through one of them um stole like a lot of shit was stolen there was like boats uh like coins

and all kinds it was fascinating and i basically traveled to a bunch of these different pawn shops and filmed it was kind of like again this was like in the height of the reality show boom so we kind of it was kind of like a reality vibe to it and we kind of like scripted some things was this before pawn stars this was like right during pawn stars we were calling it paradise pawns is what we were calling it. Okay. So it was like pond stars meets the Caribbean island. It was like pond stars mixed with like a travel show throughout the Caribbean. Okay. So we're doing all kinds of cool shit. We were doing like shark dives like jumping out of helicopters into like, uh, shark infested waters in the Bahamas and uh, doing like underwater dives. We were like hunting for treasure and stuff like this. And this was

all mixed in with the pawn show. This is a, yeah, this is it. And um, anyways, we we worked on this for a few years and pitched it and it never went anywhere. Are you getting paid? This guy's fucking hilarious. You getting paid for some of this stuff or not really? Yeah, I was getting paid because we raised the money to produce it and I built in like my own salary into it. But like also I was like the main producer of it too.

So like if we did sell it to a network, it would be great. It'd be attached to like a real show. And yeah, we filmed all this crazy underwater stuff. Oh yeah, pearls, conch pearls. some of these conch pearls could be worth hundreds of thousands of dollars dude it's crazy it's crazy you have to hire experts from all over the world to fly in to evaluate these conch pearls

this dude Chad he was in charge of all the pawn shops and that was super fun and I spent so much time on it and I put like my blood sweat and tears into it and it never went anywhere and then I did a couple other shows like this that we pitched and one of them went to a green

all the got all the way to a green light meeting at Viacom and the CEO of Viacom basically killed it and uh at that point it was just I had been through such a roller coaster of emotions trying to get this thing pitch working with different production companies then coming back to me saying oh look we just need these edits and uh we got these four networks that are really interested they just want these edits I'm like okay great fantastic we're going to get this thing sold this is going to be amazing two years down the road nothing's happening they just put it on a shelf that's the way these production companies work they get all these people pitching these

shows, they buy the, they, they, they lock you up into a shopping agreement, which basically says that you can't show this to anyone else for two years. It's going to sit on our shelf. And when we go to our monthly meetings to all the networks, we're going to be able to show this and keep showing it to them. And hopefully one of them will buy it. And that's how, that's how they killed people's dreams too. So that's basically when I made the decision like, fuck this. I'm going to take all of this stuff, all of these show concepts I've been working on forever. And I'm going to re-ed them for YouTube. And that's when I started my YouTube channel.

It was probably like, I don't know, 2013, 2012, something like that, maybe. Yeah. And I put this on there. You can just find out what year I uploaded this. That's 11 years ago. That's 11 years ago. So what year would have that been? 2014.

There you go. Yeah, right around there. Dude. And one of the other shows I did was like a real estate show. So you release them on YouTube and like not much happened. right like if you sell to a network you know maybe the show catches fire or something but when you release on youtube i guess you know you have the possibility that like a lot of people enjoy it and a lot of people like watch it i guess but uh not the same as like being on tv somebody will see it right

and this is like wanted someone you just wanted people to see it i just wanted people to see it and see if it was good too people thought about it you know because i spent so much time on it i'm not going to let it just sit on a hard drive for the rest of its life i'm gonna do something with it and it really like built in a deep hatred for the the entertainment business dude yeah yeah so like yeah I did that and actually the first show I uploaded was a real estate show that we created with this dude called Life for Sale about this this this big fat New York Jew who's basically like Larry David putting it he's like Larry David mixed with Tony Soprano oh wow And that one blew up.

So that one was getting millions of views. We were uploading episodes every week. I worked also with four years on this one, pitching this one to TV networks. And this one blew up. So every week we were uploading these episodes and they were doing 500,000 views in 2015. So it was a huge success.

And I ended up, I got kind of like bored of it. And I stopped doing it. That's when I started doing the podcast, like halfway through. When this blew up, I was like, I was kind of getting sick of following this dude around and sucking in his secondhand cigarette smoke every day. That's him, yeah? That's him, yeah. And I was like, I'm going to start doing this podcast on the side.

You know, every month, I'm going to do one or two of these podcasts or whatever. He didn't like the fact that I was doing podcast with, he kind of wanted me to be exclusively, even though this was on my channel, this was my whole thing. He was just kind of like a character in it. I basically said, you know, let's just go our own ways. I'll you can go do your show create your own YouTube channel and it blew up he's got like a million subscribers now and I'm gonna just go do this podcast exclusively and that oh yeah and also in between all this I kind of glossed over this I did uh I worked on a movie called dolphin tail which was a

Warner Brothers movie filmed in Clearwater Florida where I live and I got the opportunity to be a camera production or a camera assistant not camera assistant a per a PA in the camera department so I was like the camera department's bitch where I would every morning I would have to basically go get all of them breakfast, get all of them coffee. I was in charge of swapping lenses whenever they need to swap a lens, whenever they need to change your battery, whenever they need to change your memory cards. I was the guy that was doing this.

And that was a crazy experience. That was like my film school. That's Dolphin Tail right there, yeah. Morgan Freeman was in that movie. Harry Connick Jr. was in that movie. And so you already had a pretty decent skill set, though, when you were doing that job. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, I was like really deep into doing the... Why would you take a job like that? Because this is, when I did this, this I want to say this was 2000 this was before at all this was like 2011 I want to say we were filming this when we were doing when I do it in this like I my dream was to like make real movies I wanted to make like Hollywood movies and this was the best opportunity to get my foot in the door to like learn the business and what I learned was this was the closest job I had ever had to work in construction because it's it's it's a

basically a construction site where there's there's the electricians the camera guys the sound guys the producers the director and all these guys are working out of trucks they're doing like hard manual labor they're there the same time every day there's no creativity involved in it at all you're there you're on a construction site you're doing this you're fucking fighting with people these departments fighting with these guys the coolest dudes on the movie set were the teamsters the drivers the transportation guys and it's all unionized So every department has its own union. There's a camera union.

There's a sound union. There's a transportation union, the teamsters. And there's a director's union and actors union. That was the weirdest thing about the whole experience was like, there's even a union for the set photographer, the guy taking behind the scenes photos. So like if I show, if I'm taking a photo of something behind the scenes with my iPhone, the guy, the set photographer will write up a complaint that I'm like threatening his job by taking my own personal photos behind the scenes.

That sounds like the story that happened. That did happen. Yes, that did happen. Is it like the Screen Actors Guild? Is that what it is? That's for the actors. Yeah, that's their union. Okay.

But I'm saying there's a union for every discipline on the set. And once you get in this union, you make like a ton of money. So you get like really good rates and you get guaranteed a certain amount of work per year. So they're like guaranteeing your income and get money for overtime and all kinds of stuff. I was like, fuck yeah, I'm going to get in one of these unions. I'm like, this is going to be amazing. And by the end of it, I was like, I don't know if I want to do this. I don't know.

I want to spend my life doing this. And a lot of the dudes, too, that were working on these movies, like, dude, like, in the camera department, a couple of the dudes were really cool dudes. Like, they just got back from shooting, what was the movie they had finished right before we started filming this? The Dark Night. They had just got done filming the Dark Night in Pennsylvania before they were here in Florida filming this with me. They had filmed, you know, I mean, Hollywood, you named the Hollywood Blockbuster. those guys were on set being the camera guys for that movie

and a lot of them were like not all of them but a majority of them were unhappy, deeply unhappy because they had kids that they never saw they were on their second or third wives and and one of the guys said it perfectly

he said we're carnies with dental plans what's a carney I'm lost a carny is a guy like carnival workers They're in a carnival and they just travel around the country setting up the carnival. Okay. And except the difference is these guys make a fuckload of money. So they're basically like, you know, carnies with dental plans.

But they're like, that's not the life I wanted to live, dude. Plus the fact that there was like no creative creativity in it. Yeah. It was just, it's just, you know, it was fun work. I learned a ton. It was a really cool experience. I'm really glad I did it. But yeah, not for me.

So was that like before concrete? the stuff that that was before that okay yeah that was before all that yeah that was I never I was never I tried to get in a film school but I couldn't get in my grades were too shitty in high school so that was like my film school so yeah and then you started a podcast from there pretty much on your own or did you yeah well the podcast was way after like I kind of like that movie stuff well that was the first thing and then it happened then all the TV stuff happened and then um that's when I started titrating in the podcast stuff and that's when I stopped doing everything else and just

focusing on the podcast. The podcast thing kind of lasted forever, kind of like as a side hobby. I had like my own advertising company where I was doing commercials. I was like making commercials and like advertising campaigns for brands and stuff like that. We did a we won a huge competition, a nationwide competition for Land Rover USA. Oh shit. To make a, it was like a commercial campaign for their pre-owned program. And we made a, Land River of a USA commercial that basically won out of the whole country. We got first place. And that led us into getting a lot of other jobs. Did a huge commercial for Lamborghini. It's escaping me all the companies we worked for now. But a lot of big international brands we

did commercials for. Did that for a while. And then I was also doing the podcast and like doing one or two podcasts a month, not just do it for fun. And eventually it just became like, okay, let's start doing these every week. And for the last two years, two and a half years, it's been just everything. You know what's been what was really cool. I didn't know this. When we were talking in the gym,

like I knew you did some documentary stuff, right? Yeah. But, you know, you mentioned you were from Florida and people know just like everyone that even vaguely pays attention in Florida understands like the idea of Florida, man, because crazy shit goes on there. And then I was like, man, if somebody did like documentaries about people about people in Florida,

like a soft white underbelly and you're like yeah i did that yeah you know and then we went and looked at some of your videos and like you those are some like you first off that was soft white underbelly before soft white underbelly was on youtube i looked it out was it really yeah yeah there was like soft white underbelly it's called it's called deck hands yeah yeah and it's just like um what are some if maybe you can explain some of just the crazy shit that you've been able to like make pieces about from florida deck hands is the one i'm most proud of yeah that's the one I'm most stoked about because it pissed the most people off

and it also it got I think some of those episodes have like a few million views but the story of deck hands was there's this little sleepy town called Madeira Beach a little fishing town that's literally five minutes from my house and I've been driving through Madeira Beach

my entire life because I was born and raised in Florida and I never thought to like stop and walk around someone like the shitty little dive bars and like talk to people you know and one day we did we just like started talking to these like because there's always these like weird crazy dudes like wearing crazy outfits and running around like shoeless and shirtless and we like they were always there we never knew like who they were what they did so one day me and my buddy we took our cameras let's let's go talk to

these people and see what's up and we did that and the first episode was that moment we did that The first episode, we met this guy named Shane Lee, who was wearing no shirt. He was wearing these fairy wings on his shoulders. And he had a Confederate flag visor on his head. Sounds like I'd be best friends. Yeah. And it was insane. He lived on a boat in an abandoned marina, two minutes away from the bar we met him at.

Yeah, that's it right there. It's called The Gates of Hell. It's also fitting that the state road that this beach is on is state road 666. Oh, shit. Look at his biser. He's actually, he's dead now, but he was actually, once you get to know him, a very sweet guy. Misunderstood. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So he lived on this boat, this broken down houseboat in an abandoned marina. And this boat was loaded to the gills with fog machines. laser lights and 100 watt amps speakers stacked to the ceiling and this guy would play he would blast Rob Zombie and Marilyn Manson at full blast with his laser lights and his fog machines going playing air guitar with his fairy wings on and his night helmet on this guy knew happiness bro oh dude he was happy yeah he was happy and he was like he was like a 12 year old kid and um yeah and um yeah this was the first night we started filming this scary yeah he had a news hanging from there they were they were really into heavy metal he just created his own world huh can you give us audio

on this is that is that yes give me one second because like if you experienced this with the audio it's like it's like it's like a psychedelic trip i think it's interesting how people create their own world you know there's just fairy wings so he's like you guys got to come check out how we live bro I'm like, what? You're a fisherman? Did he do a lot of fishing? He did? That's what that was all he did was fish.

Fish and party. And then like does any, and he had noon chucks too. Do a bunch of other people come on this boat? Or is it just him? Listen to Marilyn Manson and Drinking Bush. He brought us back here to party and blast his fog machine, his laser lights, and show us his favorite DVD.

Oh, and he's stuck of pornos as tall. Your move. when porn was on DVDs. Yeah, he had a, uh, he had a six foot stack of porno DVDs in there. Shit. Um, yeah, these guys live in the twilight zone. They live in another dimension that was right in our backyard and we had no clue. And we learned about the whole fishing work, like the whole, the whole business of commercial fishing.

Like, obviously I knew commercial fishing was a huge thing in Florida, like where I was from. Like, we live in the grouper capital of the world in Madeira Beach. There's more grouper caught there than anywhere in the world. Mm-hmm. and basically the way it works is these guys go out in long line boats for like 10 days at a time 10 to 14 days at a time and they catch grouper and snapper on these long line boats and then they come back they make a ton of money these guys I mean these guys get paid probably like between two and five thousand dollars per trip which is a lot of money for a dude who a dude like that with lots of addictions and they basically blow it all on drugs and prostitutes and they quickly run out of money yeah Yeah. And then they have to go back out fishing again. So they go knocking on the doors of every fish house saying, please let me go fish, please let me go fish.

When they go offshore again to fish, they now have to sea hab because they're like detoxing off all the drugs they've been on because they're out of drugs. And they're rehabbing at sea and getting sober while, because they're offshore for like two weeks and they have no drugs. Wow. And they come home and they just rinse and repeat every single time. And what happened with this whole commercial fishing industry.

Oddly enough, by the way, if you're going to do heavy drugs, that seems like one of the healthiest way to do it. I agree. I mean, like, you get your rehab, you come back, you got to work, you do your sea hab because you're forced. Like, I'm not saying go do drugs, but these guys were doing hard drugs fairly responsibly, it seems. Yeah, yeah. And I mean, and they get to spend all that time out, you know, out in the sunlight, the nature, the ocean, they're grounded with the seawater. Yeah. That's wrong with something, dude.

Looks like they're having a blast. No, they were, they were. They were having a blast, dude. They, they, um, but they were fucked up. They were really fucked up. Do you want to get back into making more stuff like this again? Not really. Not really.

What about movie ideas? You probably have movie ideas in your head. Nah. I like the podcast. Come on. There's gotta be a movie in there somewhere. Maybe. A movie script?

There may be. There may be. Do you write? Are you a writer? I write like as like a journaling exercise. sometimes um and i write down ideas when i get like super stoned sometimes like an idea will pop in and write it down but like not like i don't write like for this kind of stuff um but no the the podcast is is where it's at it's i've already like built it into my life it's like a

it's like a it's part of my routine but like this stuff this stuff is not sustainable you can't you can't you can't raise a family and do this kind of stuff because you're constantly having to go into weird situations there's no schedule it can be dangerous there's like lots of editing it's time consuming dude this took me like a year and a half to make so like with this you just step in and talk to somebody and you're done yeah you don't have to fucking edit anything you don't have to so the crazy thing about this whole fishing thing was that we learned that so the way it works in the golf i don't know if people are going to be interested in this but whatever no this is cool um in the Gulf Mexico, historically, the way fishing works is, I think it was 2007, the federal government

came in and said, okay, we're going to, we're going to set a limit on the amount of fish you guys can catch two for conservation reasons, right? We're not going to just let you, like, you know, rape and pillage the Gulf of all the fish. So they said, we're going to allot three million pounds per year of Red Snapper. So all these different fishing, all these different boats would have to go out when they come in they'd have to like write up a report on how many pounds of fish they caught and they'd have to submit that through a process to the government or whatever so what would happen was sometimes like in october they would hit that three million quota so what do you do when you hit three million pounds in october you have to stop fishing can't fish in november

in December so after that started happening what they did was they started to develop this quota system where they gave boat owners based on previous catch history a lotted amount of quota every year. So depending on what my catch history has been for the last five years, I might get 100,000 pounds of Red Grupper quota every year from the federal government government. You might get 200,000 pounds, a Red Grupper.

Red group is a dollar a pound, so that's $200,000 a year for the rest of your life. That's, so that's the best retirement plan known demand. Wow. Wow. So after that happened, it became where you don't, even need to be operating the boat, fishing, or even own the boat to own these quota. Now you can be sitting in Wall Street and trading this quota like stock. So they monopolized

it. Yeah. So. And that's for life? Or like that's for the next few years? Because that's odd. This was in like the early 2000s. This happened. And I believe I haven't checked. I don't know for sure. But I think this is the same system is still intact. Wow. And, uh, And in other states, it's not like that. In other states, like in the northeast, like in Connecticut and Rhode Island, like it's, it's a culture and like a lifestyle, like a way of life, like to be on the boat, catching your fish. It's owner operated. You're like protecting your spot and your people. And it's like a, it's like a tradition there.

You know what I mean? We're here. It's just become, since the federal government did it this way and allowed all the stocks to be traded online for these quotas, it's just completely. prostilatized the whole industry to where now these guys are getting the crumbs and no one takes care of them no one gives a shit about them and all the people by the way that are featured in this documentary are now dead you know okay not not that it's cool that they're dead but something that's actually something that's really amazing is like I don't think I don't know but I don't think anyone's ever done anything on these guys before filmed them or had them show how they live or their lives so in a way like This currently has 546,000 views, you've kind of, you've kind of made these guys some kind of eternal. You know what I mean? Yeah. Because no one else would have talked about this side of the life, this side of life in that way.

No, no one would ever pay attention to them. Yeah. And it pissed off a lot of the fish house owners that are at the top of the food chain of this industry. Like locally, I got chased out of a couple restaurants, like local restaurants for people. I pissed off a lot of people. Wow. Which means it was successful. Yeah.

Yeah. So, so yeah. No, it's not sustainable. It's not a sustainable lifestyle to be making this kind of stuff. You know, this was a really fun project. And I was younger when I was doing it. It wasn't married or I didn't have kids. And if I was still single with no kids, I might still be doing this kind of stuff.

But I think the podcast is a better vehicle to do more interesting things. And I treat the podcast similar to the way I treat. this stuff just minus the editing and the B roll. I treat it like a documentary like just a raw uncut documentary. Your podcasts are like the production that's behind even though it's like there's there's no editing or anything. It's very enjoyable to watch because of the way you set things up. Like the studio's fucking dope. The lighting's sick. Like it's very it's dramatic. You know what I mean? Yeah. So that's actually that's pretty sick. Thank you man. I appreciate that. I put a lot of thought into the lighting and the cinematography in there just because that's my background you know what do you

think made your podcast catch uh i don't know probably just some of the unconventional folks that i had in there in the beginning you know i think um people show up for the weirdness yeah the unconventional i think the weirdos are the most interesting part about my podcast the people that um You know, most, and not every, I mean, there's, when we were talking about earlier, how, like, there's just this overabundance of podcasts everywhere right now where people like kind of like reverse engineer the podcast success theme. And they kind of figure out like what they need to do to be successful. Instead of just like starting it and doing it and like if it has, if it wins, if it does good, it does good. If it fails, it fails. These people are not doing that. They're basically trying to like, they're like, they're going out from like a business perspective. where they're like, this is what we need to buy. This is the people we need to get on the show, no matter how much we need to pay them. And then this is our five year plan, right?

Yeah. I forgot where I was going. I forgot what the question was. Where was I going with this? Well, you meant, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I see what you're saying now. Yeah, so the people that I had on them in the beginning were they had never been on podcasts before.

They had never been on front of a camera before. And they had some of the most bonkers stories that me or anyone else I'd know has ever heard. So like, I think that's, we've had a lot of guests that are like that as well. And sometimes, you know, sometimes when we had guests like that, sometimes it hasn't gone very well. But when it goes well, it seems to go great.

Yes. You know, because some people are like a little shy to kind of reveal their story or share information. We've had a few people that are like, they're some of the best in the world at what they do. But then sometimes asking them questions, and trying to get uh trying to get information from them is very difficult and then they they don't have like an entertainment value sure what they're saying is like uh especially in your guys

is yeah sometimes it's kind of dry sometimes it's kind of but it's still it still is awesome like the information is still great and the audience gets something from it but it's nice when somebody uh is like entertaining almost like those guys you were filming on the boat yeah yeah yeah definitely there's definitely a game to be played there you can tell when when a certain podcast is going to hit another one is not even if the information is great the person could be super dull and not have charisma or like a good a good voice and it won't do well you did mention about like paying people to be on the show i think that's really interesting because i've i've heard both sides i've heard of people paying to get on shows which i think is like wild yeah but that's like a new thing

and then also people paying people to come on their show. Which some of that makes sense to me. Like I think like, you know, like years ago, if you were on like Johnny Carson or something like that, you would get like a donation, I think. But I don't think you got a lot of money, but it was like they would just, and maybe it's covering like a flight or something like that.

Some of that makes sense sometimes, I think. Well, it's an exchange of value, right, for podcasts. So that's why it makes sense for podcasters and people that are. selling shit, right? Like books and whatever it is because you're going to get exposure for that. But I've paid for a couple of podcasts before

and these are for people that were like in their 90s who would get no benefit from going on my podcast. These people had spent their whole lives doing certain things, whatever. And he's like sitting in his house with his wife, you know, at the age of 90. He can fucking die. Why am I going to fly across the country to do your,

what is YouTube again? So I'm like, listen, bro. I'll give you whatever. What do you want? I'll pay you to come on my show because I think people will really benefit from hearing your story or hearing. what you got to say so it's worth it in those conditions either one of you guys see uh bill murray on

joe rogan no i didn't i saw a long time ago it was it wasn't that long ago um it was amazing really had no idea about anything about joe rogan or oh yes or youtube i did see this because because he started talking he was like way over here and joe's like hey that was great but no one can hear you he's like well i don't know how this works and joe's like well the mic you got to speak into the microphone. And Joe's like, look, look over there. There's a, a TV screen. He goes, oh, shit, that's us on there. And he's like, I'm sorry, Joe. He's like, I don't know a lot about any of this stuff. I don't know about podcasts. I don't understand where this is going to air or this is going to go. Yeah. He's like, I only know your name, but he's like, I didn't know, like,

when I shook your hand today, he's like, you could have been anybody. Yeah. I was like, oh my God. Isn't that what Joe Rogan is? It's so interesting. Because those dudes, lives are podcasts right that's what i like when i went to austin that was one of the things that really blew me away is like these guys they spend their lives in green rooms and like doing a podcast is just like one little that's like going to get a coffee at Starbucks for us right yeah it's just it's just like it's just like they don't they don't give a shit about the podcast they give a shit about like being surrounded by these people who are like thinking about different things and looking at things from new angles and working on comedy routines and standing in

front of all these people at this comedy store comedy club whatever it is the podcast i feel like is just exercise for them to do that kind of stuff and they're constantly surround that group right that he's around and the comedians and those people they're that's their lives and i don't think the the podcast is their primary focus i think that's more of like an exercise for them for the comedy shit you know and especially somebody like bill murray who's a legend yeah you know we we talked about this a little bit in the gym, but first off, the before you the podcast, looks like you are already getting a lot of experiences from different people. But doing that podcast kind of forces you to hear different ideas from different people. And you have people from all different

realms because usually we have different health people, right? So we hear one person say one thing's bad. We hear one person say that thing that was bad is good. And it's conflicting. But it helps us shape the perspective in the way we do things where like it shapes some of our So for you, with all of the different people that you've spoken to, I guess what are some things that like you've changed in the way you personally live? Because I mean, you've had health people on. You've had conspiracy people on. You've had alien people on, right? What have you changed in the way you go about life? Yeah. The thing with the podcast is like sometimes I'll have somebody come on who really blows my mind. Yeah. And I'll just be like, fuck, like thinking about that for weeks afterwards. wow this is like game changing stuff you know like this person like this is going to change my life forever like everyone should be doing this and i'll talk about it to everybody and then i'll have somebody else on that like will calmly systematically dismantle everything that person said do you have an example i don't want to give an example i don't want to call people out

and i'm like wow i'm like i'm so gullible Well, some people have compelling information. And they can communicate it so well too. Yeah. Yeah. You know, that's, that's the one thing. That's something I've learned that I need to, I've gotten a better bullshit detector. That's good.

But when it comes to like something that I've actually taken that I think has really improved my life, like I was telling you, I think it's, dude, it's the waking up in the morning and watching the sunrise every single day. That's really changed my energy levels more than, other than the same. steroids. The roids. No, I'm just kidding. But maybe not. But maybe not. Waking up and watching the sunrise in the morning, like it sounded so like woo-woo, like

esoteric, you know, goofy bullshit. But it really, it does something. And I don't know if it's a placebo. It may be. It may not be. But it's the one thing that really moves the needle for me more than anything is watching the sunrise every morning. And one thing I love about like all this stuff is like we forget there's like people that have shit to do yeah that have like real jobs and stuff. Yeah. And you were mentioning earlier about like, oh, I wish I can go to Jiu-Jitsu at like noon because that's when the best classes are. And I'm thinking there's so many people that can't go to those classes because they have a real job. And a lot of my friends, they, they don't have an opportunity to necessarily see the sun the same way that we do because or the same way that some of us might. Yeah. Some people literally have to like drive to try to go see the sun or they have to go way out of their.

way to be in a spot to see the sun in the morning. Other people, you know, can be more fortunate. It's kind of like walking their backyard and be like, oh, there's the sun. But I got some friends that are like, you know, they're heading to work at like 5 a.m. and it's like pitch black still. Like you said when you landed last night, it was pretty dark and it was like 6 o'clock or whatever. It's 530. It was pitch dark and raining. We were coming down through the clouds. Dude, we came through down through like it felt like five miles of clouds we could go through. Like that's how thick it was. And it's not There's no clouds in Florida right now. It's bizarre.

By the way, have you seen my Lanny Pafo documentary? No, I have. I'm not going to bore you with it right now, but you got to check it. I'll send it to you. We went to Lanny Pafo's apartment and he was showing us his bidet

and all of his cool shit that he has. Lenny Pafo? Lanny Pafo. He's the brother of a macho man, Randy Savage. Oh, he must have had amazing stories. Oh, dude, he had some incredible stories. Such a cool guy. Supposedly the macho man was always like that.

Yes. Like he was always keeping. Always super intense. Yep, always super keyed up. Somebody said that he would drink like a pot of coffee every day. He died. He was like, yeah, brother.

Yeah, yeah. He's like, ooh, yeah. Okay, okay. Slim Jim and coffee in the big time. It's in Spider-Man. Yes, in Spider-Man. He died literally two minutes from my house. Oh, shit.

Yeah, that's where you got in the car accident. There's a lot of wrestlers in your area. A lot of them. Is that something you grew up with? Did you grow up watching wrestling and stuff like that? Nope, not at all I got into wrestling late I got into wrestling

I told you about this when you came on in my podcast I think I got into wrestling probably like 2016 when I went to my first WrestleMania Oh shit

Yeah I went my buddy Mark Who's a huge wrestling fan From Ohio His name was Cadillac Jack When he was a wrestler He was like an underground wrestler He took me to WrestleMania in New Orleans I even took my camera

I did a little documentary about wrestling fans for that WrestleMania too and and dude going there like turned me in real wrestling fan I like actually appreciated it

like I always thought it was just like weirdos who believed the stuff was real you know but then I realized no that's not it at all no they're playing along with it yeah this is it

dude this guy was amazing um they're like super super super fans they are the most hardcore fans of anything on earth like take any Steelers fan and put them on steroids and that's what these people are

He's got the Hulk Hogan belt underneath his... And they know it's fake. They're just, they're just... Pretty good tricep there, got to admit. Yeah, nice. Yeah, I like that tricep. It's a community, you know, and they're all, like, super supportive of each other. They're all very friendly.

And they're just, like, the most passionate group of folks I've ever been around. Who was... And so much fun. Who was the main event? I think it was... It was Undertaker and John Cena, I want to say. Oh, shit. But that moment, dude, when I was...

night when the undertaker came out just sent chill through my spine gave me nightmares as a kid don't really yeah yeah yeah everything goes black and i'm like what is this then i hear that gong oh the whole crowd erupts it was insane oh yeah this guy was awesome this guy drove like four days to go to this thing that's so sweet yeah this guy was a super fan we were filming this we were recording this and vince mcman's son walked past us in the lobby wow this guy drove there with like his six kids wow yeah my uncle truly believed wrestling was real when i was a kid too for a period of time and he made me believe it was real when i was a kid too for a period of time i thought it was legit also but yeah yeah it's uh it's a it's a

it's a wild side of the internet it's not fake hogan is prearranged and choreographed hogan's number one quote that my favorite quote of his he's like everyone he's like he's like everyone said uh wrestling was fake but i must have missed the memo after 16 back surgery and 12 neck surgeries he was fucked up man he's been he's been hobbling around for like the last 25 years hogan was amazing i don't think he even gets enough credit i mean even though he gets a lot of credit but like when he wrestled the rock in russlemania he was like i don't know he's probably like 50 years old and he was more jacked than the rock all right mark you're getting leaner and leaner but you always enjoy the food you're eating so how you doing it i got a secret man it's called good life

Okay, tell me about that. I've been doing some good life protein. You know, we've been talking on this show for a really long time of certified Piedmontese beef. And you can get that under the umbrella of good life proteins, which also has chicken breast, chicken thighs, sausage, shrimp, scallops, all kinds of different fish, salmon, tilapia. The website has nearly any kind of meat that you can think of lamb. There's another one that comes in mind. And so I've been utilizing and kind of using some different strategy kind of depending on the way that I'm eating. So if I'm doing a keto diet, I'll eat more fat and that's where I might get the sausage and I might get their 80-20 grass-fed, grass-finish ground beef.

I might get bacon. And there's other days where I kind of do a little bit more bodybuilder style where the fat is, you know, might be like 40 grams or something like that. And then I'll have some of the leaner cuts of the certified Piedmontese beef. This is one of the reasons why like neither of us find it hard to stay in shape. because we're always enjoying the food we're eating. And protein, you talk about protein leverage it all the time, it's satiating and helps you feel full. I look forward to every meal, and I can surf and turf, you know?

I could cook up some, you know, chicken thighs or something like that and have some shrimp with it, or I could have some steak. I would say, you know, the steak, it keeps going back and forth for me on my favorite, so it's hard for me to lock one down, but I really love the bovette steaks. Yeah. And then I also love the rib-eyes as well. You can't go wrong with the ribby. So, guys, if you guys want to get your hands on some really good meat,

you can have to Good Life Proteins.com and use code power for 20% off any purchases made on the website. Or you can use Code Power Project to get an extra 5% off if you subscribe and save to any meats that are a recurring purchase. This is the best meat in the world. He was in great shape. Maybe not bigger than the rock because the rock's big. But he was like a little leaner when they wrestled each other. holy shit and Hogan even like the NWO and all that stuff like the later surge in his career was like in his 40s I mean it's kind of unbelievable to be able to do that sport for that long

or profession or whatever you want to call it yeah yeah it's super impressive man I told you I got to spend a lot of time with him I used to shoot a bunch of commercials with him and stuff like that and he he partnered up with this dude to have to create this bar restaurant in Tampa called Hogan's Beach and I was in charge of doing all the commercials for it. So I was like coming up with the craziest ideas for these. They'd be like, yo, Danny, we want a commercial for our New Year's Eve party. Here's the information we want you to include in this. $12, $12 all you can eat hot dogs. Buy one, get one, Coors Light. It's like all of these like stupid things I have to put in there. And we would do the most ridiculous thing. We put Jimmy Hart in a tutu and have him like

swirling glow sticks on a bed with like pasties on his nipples and like some girl twerking in the background and they let us do this this was run on like the cable TV channels in Tampa Florida sounds like some jackass shit basically like the the show yeah yeah yeah we were basically just like pushing the limits as far as we could and that they were they were letting us do whatever we wanted one one commercial we did for a New Year's Eve party we had Hogan and Jimmy Hart like shaking champagne bottles and shooting him all over these girls and bikinis it was really fun good times when it comes to your training you know i showed you some stuff uh when i was down there in florida and then today we showed showed you some stuff sandbags and uh the rope flow type

stuff and we talk to you about like uh breathing and stuff what does your training normally look like i know you do jihitsu and you mentioned surfing and stuff like that um my training is is usually uh just like standard compound weightlifting probably like two maybe three days a week on a good on a good week um one day a week of jujitsu if i if i can make it i've been the last couple months have been tough um because i like we're moving and all that stuff so um the jiu jitsu stuff's kind of been on the back burner and the surfing as well as on the back burner because life gets in the way but whenever there's whenever there's surf close on the east coast or near me on the golf coast i'll usually take the day off and go do that or like to go on

surf trips usually if i ever have to get on a plane it's usually not unless there's like to be like good surf on the other side of that plane trip um but yeah no like typically i use the podcast as an excuse to work out like i've uh i've built that into my system to where like i'll take the whole morning to work out i do cardio usually what i do is i'll do like 20 minutes on the rogue bike um i'll hit the cold plunge and i'll do like a a kettlebell workout in my backyard and then um and then i'll go do go do a podcast but like if it's an off day I'll just like go to the I'll go to the gym and do like you know the squats the deadlifts the bench press and all that's all the same stuff that like Dom does you know the big compound stuff but um I really want to get into more of this flow stuff this like movement based workout stuff that we did today I think that stuff's far superior especially if you're going to be doing surfing and jihitsu and stuff like that stuff was amazing that we're doing today yeah I feel great let me ask you this um how about because you mentioned that you once did a seven or a 10 day fast

and then some activity? So kind of what's been your experience with some of that fasting stuff? And maybe you can like tell people about that fast you were telling us about. Yeah, I watched Kelly Slater on Joe Rogan's podcast like 10 years ago or something like that. And he was talking about it.

Kelly Slater was like, yeah, I did this 10 day fast and it got rid of all this mucoid plaque in my intestines. And he's like, I was pooping out this black stuff. So he was explaining this mucoid plaque is like a plaque that lines your your large intestine and your colon after a lifetime of just eating stuff right so like somehow your intestines can't absorb the nutrients anymore and once you do this fast it expels all that and newborn babies poop black too by the way they do yeah that's

pitch black it's weird it's only for like a little bit it's like for a couple days yeah then it goes away and then it turns into like mustard seeds yeah I think it's gnarly so I tried it and I um I did that lemonade it was lemonade mixed with maple syrup where you drink that every day like a leader of that every day or something like that and you don't eat anything and on um the first two days were hell first probably three days were hell day four I wasn't even thinking about food anymore I was just feeling fantastic um day five same thing day five or six I think I went to the gym and usually like one set of pull-ups I'll do like 12 to 15 pull-ups for once for one rep um and I did like 50 fucking pull-ups and I was like I just kept going and I was like I don't know

how I'm doing this but this it felt great like I didn't feel exhausted I didn't feel get like I was getting burned out and I was like okay that's cool the next day uh me and my buddies were playing full court basketball down at the beach and I usually can't play full court basketball for 10 minutes without having to stop and like go and uh we played for an hour and i didn't feel any of that none of the side stitch that you get like no exhaustion i was able to play like it was incredible it was like i was like as i felt like a feather i felt like i wasn't burning i wasn't exhausting myself i felt like i was just like flowing and i don't know some some weird stuff was happening any idea like if you're better than i can if your body weight was a lot

less or something like that i have no idea dude i'd imagine i wasn't paying attention to anything like that i just thought i heard something on a podcast and just copied it this is before like i knew anything just going for it i didn't know what ketosis was i didn't know about any of this stuff but it felt amazing and uh yeah no it probably had something to do though with like being in ketosis right i'm sure that had something to do with it um i don't know maybe i should do it again do you fast here and there? No, not anymore. I used to do intermittent fasting for a few years where I would like not eat breakfast and started eating at lunch. But now what I've been doing, which I feel a lot better when I do it, is I eat a huge breakfast. Okay. And I skip lunch. And then I'll eat dinner like around five

or six or something like that. But I for some reason for me, I feel way better when I eat a large breakfast like early in the morning. And then I skip lunch. I heard that it's because the circadian, I don't know if this is true. This might. But I heard that it's because when your circadian rhythm during noon is at its slowest. And in the more, or I'm sorry,

your circadian rhythm, your metabolism is running at its slowest at like high noon. And in the morning, it's running more rampant. So it's easier to like burn through the calories and all that stuff and burn through the food and the glucose, whatever it is. If that's true or not,

I don't know. It seems to work for me. A good thing, though, is that you like you found, you found a pattern that that works well for you you know what i mean but i think that's also the the cool thing about trying a few different things because like you've done some fasting so even if you even if you implemented it later to try to see okay could some of this work like you have that as a

tool you know you're not you're not necessarily stuck on a strict diet and when it comes to this health stuff you like you you've noticed it too people have these tribes of like i do this diet i do this diet this is my eating style when there's a lot of really solid like tools you know what i mean Like that 10 day fast you're talking about it's a tool doesn't mean you have to do it all the time but right you know it's some of the time you know 100% man Where do you think your creativity came from? Is that something you work on or like came from God? I don't know I don't know where it came from bro It's a Is your mom or dad creative or no my mom's creative my mom like I said my mom was a fine arts major

She teaches fine art and my dad was a mailman retired now he's a retired male man so uh i don't know maybe like running around with my mom when she was young to like different art studios and like watching her do that stuff um i don't know i felt like i've always had like something in me that just wanted to like create stuff you know doesn't matter what the medium would be whether it was like a movie or a documentary or a podcast or making cotton candy whatever it is like i always just like felt like i needed to like make make shit that was cool and got people's attention so i don't like as far as where it came from i don't know i do feel like though creativity is definitely something that peaks in your

early years hmm what do you mean about that i think that like when the the weight of responsibility and uh everyday the everyday drudge of like work and routine and repetition sets in something happens where that that creative spark like it's like i like to think of it like as an antenna that atrophies like when you're really young i feel like you have a strong connection to whatever whatever that creative muse or creative radio signal is it's good not to understand too much about the world yeah gonna make and create stuff totally kind of agree totally and i think once you get older you also become most people unless you actively work at it you become less curious that's that's it thank you keep going i'm curious yeah and i think that's

they go hand in hand right i was literally going to ask you who what you think about creativity and curiosity. Because one thing that I do believe is like, as people get older, I think we have a tendency. And I noticed this in my early 20s, which is why I feel very lucky that I was able to be a part of this show, because it kind of shifted that.

Curiosity also wanes when you get set, not just with responsibilities, but just like kind of get set with what you know. And when you get to a certain point, you're like, ah, I know enough of this where it's like, why even change? So like, if you're not curious, it's it's I don't know it feels like it's it's easy just to get very set in what you do it is

which is why we're so lucky to be able to do podcasts for a living right it's like the best possible job you can have to like satiate that desire and get more of it yeah because like I feel like the more you learn about shit and this is true for me I can't speak from one else but the more I learned about stuff the more curious I got about more stuff because I had all the stuff that was like being downloaded in my brain. Yeah. And then I would learn more stuff, read more stuff. And I'd be like, oh, that's connecting to something I already know. And it's like building blocks, building blocks. So like the more stuff that you have in your mind to make those connections, the more you're going to be interested in other stuff because it already kind of makes

sense. It already kind of fits into this puzzle that you're already making in your head. You know what I mean. Have you ever heard of the book of Range? I brought this book up on the podcast bit, no? No. I forgot, Ryan, could you look at the author? Because my fucking computer's dead, but range pretty much is a book that talks about different athletes and how some of the greatest athletes weren't great primarily because they did that one sport, but they were able to become great because they had a bunch of different experiences doing things. And not even just athletes. It goes into people like, it just goes to different, even professionals or high level people that had a bunch of different experiences that they could pull from that helped them become very good in that lane of things that they did. So the cool thing that you're describing is like you're hearing all these different things and because you're able to get exposed to all these perspectives, you're able to make links that most of the time it would be hard to make because most of us stick to one thing and talk to a certain type of people.

Right. Yeah. Like when I was a kid, I didn't, unless until I was in my mid-20s, I didn't know jack shit about the world. I didn't know, like, some people like these people nowadays, it blows my mind how there's 16 year old, 20-year-olds, 21-year-olds on YouTube making a living off political commentary. Yeah. Like I couldn't tell you the names of two presidents when I was 19 years old. I didn't give a shit, didn't care, never thought I would care until like you start to learn some stuff. Right. Like when you, when you have no knowledge of anything, nothing, nothing, you don't care about anything. You just care about doing what makes you happy. Yeah. For me, it was skateboarding, surfing, running around, you know, causing chaos. But like, once you build that foundation and you make those links, I think it becomes more fun, you know? There's a lot of creativity in surfing and in skateboarding, wouldn't you say? Yeah. Like, oh, let me see if I can jump up on this thing with a skateboard, right? Yeah, kind of. Yeah. So it's definitely a form of creativity for sure.

as all sports can be you know but um no i've never heard of this book that sounds like you have to check it out yeah that they talk a lot about that stuff in this book that i actually just finished reading called um moonwalking with einstein it's all about memory oh let me write that down okay that's a great book did did that come up in the memory guy podcast that's how i let's how i got interested in this stuff i read that book and i was like fuck i got to find a memory athlete yeah yeah yeah the memory stuff is fascinating man Yourself's really cool. What's the deal with aliens?

Can you tell us if they exist or not, or are they heading this way? Yeah, I know. I have the answers. I can tell you exactly what's going on. Well, first off, do you actually think they exist now with all the conversations that you've had? I think there's, like, there's two different ways of looking at it. I, like, is there extraterrestrial life out there? Absolutely.

There has to be, right? It's just a math problem. It's the probability. There has to be. Do I think that the things that are flying around and flying saucers and abducting people are extraterrestrial beings, no. I think it's most likely that there's another more evolved version of us that exists here. I think it's, and I've talked to like anthropologists about this.

This one guy, Michael Masters, is an amazing book called the Extratempestrial Model, where he explains out of, okay, so this is a good way of looking at. I'll break it down. Out of all the cataloged species of organisms on Earth, there's 2 million, around 2 million cataloged species on Earth. Out of the 2 million, 20 are hominids. Out of the 20 hominids,

we're the only one that was able to figure out technology to escape the planet. So we're 0.001% of the species on this planet that's in a Goldilocks zone that's perfectly habitable for life. Now look at all the planets that we know that are in Goldilocks zones that are habitable for life, right?

we haven't found evidence of life on any of them. And this one is perfectly habitable for life. This is like the optimal planet to inhabit life. And we are only 0.001% of the life on this earth. So what are the chances that a being is going to evolve on one of these other planets that have different gravity? They all have different atmospheric pressures in their atmosphere. the general composition of the of the molecules on that planet are different than this it's way different

so the chances of them evolving to be upright bipedal hominids with brains that sit directly on top of their heads and eyes that point forward is going to be almost impossible and this is just what this anthropologist explained to me just because we're so rare here it's for them to look like that no it doesn't make sense what he did explain was there's this phenomena in evolution called pedomorphism. And if you Google it, there's some good images on Google that explains it to you. The idea of pedomorphism

is that if you look at hominids, their offspring, the young apes, they look more like humans than the mature apes because they have a more direct, like a straight up posture. They're not hunched forward.

The shapes of their heads are more human-like, more bulbous. And so the adolescent chimps or apes, they look more like the more evolved us, right? They look more like fully adult human beings. So if you extrapolate that out into the future, he believes that the toddlers of today are going to look like the fully grown adults of the future. like 100,000, 200,000, maybe a million years from now. So when you take into account all of these quote unquote abduction events or people

that claim to see these aliens, they all explain them to be like three to four foot, childlike toddler looking skinny things with big heads. That's what kids look like, right? So he's like, this fits in with pedomorphism. So he thinks they're future humans that are time traveling back into the past because there was some sort of cataclysmic nuclear war and they needed to. And also in these abduction events, 99% of them, these people, explain Betty and Barney Hill is one of the first ones, how there was semen and eggs taken from

them by the beings when they were abducted. Vast a majority of them, they say this. And they've been examined by Harvard psychologists and, you know, they're not like all colluding in this whole thing. They all have their own unique stories. So he's like, okay, if you want to take that seriously and taking my, you know, my theory of evolution, or not, it's not a theory, it's a fact, pedomorphism is real and if you extrapolate us into the future we're going to look like these beings and if there was some and this is his hypothesis right if there was some sort of like cosmic cataclysm on earth and a comet hit the earth and wiped out the population or if there was like a nuclear war something and wiped out a large a large swath of humanity he was like uh

and they would have their genome would get bottlenecked right because there'd only be a few humans they'd have there be inbreeding and things like this. So to diversify their genome, they would want to go back into the past to get a more diverse array of the human genome so they can interbreed with them and repopulate the planet. And I found that to be the most compelling thing

I've ever fucking heard. And additionally, I had a NASA physicist on my show recently who now is, he was a former NASA physicist, now he's a professor of physics. He explained to me that, you know a lot of these UFO sightings that everybody hears about are they're coming in and out of the oceans and there's reports from like NOAA and nuclear submarine pilots that these things are coming in out of the oceans and moving at incredible speeds underwater and then exiting the water going into the air going back into the water the Navy pilots explain these things going in and out of the water in San Diego and he was explaining to me the atmospheres on all the different water world all the different planets that we know of like like Venus the Atmosphere on Venus is 800 degrees on a cold day, Jesus. You know, up to a thousand degrees on a warm day.

And there's earthquakes, there's comets, there's solar flares, all kinds of crazy things that are happening on that, on the surface of that planet, right? Mars is negative 100 degrees. Same problem with their atmosphere. And the pressures, the atmospheric pressures are different. The surface of Venus, the pressure on the surface of Venus is equivalent to seven miles deep in Mariana's trench under the ocean. Okay. Okay. Right. So if you think about it that way, if you were a species hopping from planet to planet, you wouldn't want to be rolling around in the atmosphere because you'd get smoked. You'd either get burned up by the heat, hit by a comet, micrometeorites, volcanoes, whatever it is. But if you wanted to survive, you would look for the water worlds because water only exists between 30 degrees and 100 or 220 degrees. Otherwise, it's not liquid water. And you can dial in the atmospheric, the pressure by just going deeper.

So if your ship or your body needs a certain pressure based on where you're from, you just go a little bit deeper or a little bit shallower to get the pressure right. So any planet or moon that contains water, I think Europa has like a 60 mile or a 600 mile deep ocean on it. Yeah. He's like, you just find one of these moons or planets with water on it. And you've got the perfect conditions to survive and thrive. percentage of our ocean hasn't been discovered it's a pretty high percentage 70% of the world of our earth is ocean and I think 60% of that 70% hasn't been explored I could be wrong no I think that's

close that's pretty crazy we've we've explored more of the surface of Mars than we have of our oceans which is wild yeah I mean it seems challenging right there's just so much pressure further you go down and everything right yeah dark It's dangerous. Look at those dudes who just tried to go see the Titanic. Oh, what happened? Yeah, chat GPD says 8 to 95% of the ocean remains unexplored. Of the ocean floor?

It just says ocean. There's the ocean. Okay, like the volume of the ocean. The world's oceans have been mapped, observed, and studied. That's actually, that's crazy. Because you see some of the crazy stuff that lives down there, too. When we've managed. They look like, they look like, they look creepy as fuck too.

So it's one of those things like, it's scary what might be down there. you know who knows but if you were if you were like like think about it like when you're walking down the sidewalk you don't think about the ants that are living in the cracks of the sidewalk right you're kind of like and they don't pay attention to you they don't give a shit about you we live in like our own worlds compared to them but like if there's another evolved species here that's living that is able to make itself undetectable and has been here for millions of years through all the comets through all the volcanoes through all the climate catastrophes and all the crazy shit this planet's been through over the billions of years

it's been here you would want to figure out how to survive under the oceans to survive if there's a nuclear war the only the people that would survive the longest are the people that are on the nuclear submarines yeah it is wild too though like how like even right there it says technological limits right like we've we've gone to space we ventured onto other planets but we still don't have the tech to get to the ocean floor because I mean again I'm on fucking engineer but like you would think that we would have found out more about where we live first yeah right i totally agree this planet's fascinating dude have we been to space ha i don't know i'm getting ready to do a podcast about that though oh yeah my first uh the first

podcast that we're going to do in our new studio is going to be a debate between the number one moon landing hoax guy who thinks it's a hoax who's made all the documentaries about the moon landing fake and one of the last living Apollo astronauts who walked on the moon. I got them teeing off on each. I mean, I got them going head to head on a podcast. Oh, that's going to be amazing. It's going to be wild. Well, we're going to find out. Speaking of debates, you hadn't Nick Norowitz and Paul Saladino on. Yes, I did. So what did you manage to take away from that conversation? Okay. This is. That's funny. Not much. You don't say that's how nutrition is, huh?

Nick, his vocabulary is incredible, but I don't, I know maybe 2% of the words that come out of his mouth. Okay. Paul's a good communicator. I thought it was a great debate. They're both really, really smart dudes. That conversation was way above my head. What I took from it was that, you know, it seems like the reasonable middle ground there is the whole. seed oil thing has been blown out of proportion by social media.

You know, like people like to grasp onto things and make it their religion. And, you know, to paint, it's easy to paint seed oils is all bad. And what I got from that is that seed oils are terrible when they're like cooked in a deep friar and you're heating up French fries and, you know, but like, the whole thing for me is like, if I'm smoking a cigarette, you don't have to tell me it's unhealthy. You know, I know cigarettes unhealthy. like just educating people on like the general nutrients they need and the kinds of food they should be eating is like the most important thing to me like if you're gonna you're

splitting atoms if you're going down to like oh i want my french fries cooked in tallow like who gives a shit you're eating a fucking french fry so that's that's where i stand on all of it you know and i think um i think those guys did a great job of breaking it down nick nick is like he nerds out on this stuff and he's he's so he goes so deep into all the science and all the studies and it's crazy that there's only the like the most relevant or the latest studies on this stuff go back like 50 years like way long ago there's no new studies on this stuff it just seems like all the information you get about this shit is just on tic talk and instagram and no one has the patience or time to go like deeper and actually research this and and nick does um so

I'm grateful for them. Yeah. I think the general population just needs to know like what's what's halfway healthy. Yeah, totally. They don't need to know all these little tiny nuances and everything.

Right. There are weird things like, you know, I mean, it's like, again, these are first world problems. If you're worrying about what you're going to, you know, what kind of oil you're going to cook this in or cook that. I mean, most people that are low, like lower to middle class people aren't cooking at home. That's a big problem. getting fast food and all of fast food is probably garbage it's probably cooked in garbage whether

they're trying to market it to you that that's healthy or not it's like it's a deeper problem than like you know what fucking you know suburban mom making 250,000 dollars a year wants to like virtue signal to all her mom friends what kind of tallow she's cooking her food in that's what it's become you know it's just so goofy to me the whole thing your interview uh with those two guys about the moon, is that something that you did already or you're about to do it? I'm about to do it. Coming up soon. What are your own thoughts? I don't know. I don't. I don't know. I'm not convinced we went. I'll put it that way.

I'm not convinced we didn't go. And I'm not convinced we went. I don't have, I don't know. But both of these guys are on polar opposite sides, obviously. One of them has claimed his whole life that he went to the moon. And the other guy is willing to die for the argument that he didn't go to the moon. Have he had individual conversations with them before? Yeah, I've had that one guy, Bart, on the podcast before. He actually got punched in the face by Buzz Aldrin. Oh, shit.

I've seen that before. Yeah. Yeah, he was walking around for his documentary. He can be unreasonable to put it lightly. But he was walking around for one of his documentaries called Astronauts Gone Wild with the Holy Bible. And going around to all the astronauts, asking them to swear on the Bible that they went to the moon. That's Bart, yeah, in his younger years in the background. Oh, was it about to happen?

I think so, yeah. And that's Buzz Aldrin. Yeah, he keeps, if he bothers him for a little while, and then he gets popped, I think. Mm-hmm. And Buzz Aldern's probably like 80 years old or something here. Yeah, fast forward like halfway through, probably. Yeah, it's right up here. But Buzz just clocks him right there.

Look at that. he didn't freaking made contact it's a tough thing you're that old someone's saying your life's work is a total sham yep no yeah I don't blame him man he got what was coming to him yes someone's harassing you I guess yeah he was basically being harassed but yeah no I don't man I don't know we're gonna find out one way I may I hope we could find out on this on this debate what is your what is your six year old son what does he think you do does he have any podcast he thinks I'm a podcaster and does he know anything about He knows all about YouTube. Does he see like people coming up to you saying, hey, I like your show. Do your kids see that kind of stuff? Yeah, they see it. They see it all the time. And he's obsessed with YouTube and he's got these little like kid YouTubers he watches. He's into like, he knows all like the new stuff. His new thing is the, the Tung Tung Tung Zahua. The Tung Tung Sahua and then the huggy wuggy guy. Like anything that he starts talking about a month later, it pops up on like there's a Fortnite character based on what he was talking about a month ago. He's,

he's like he's got his finger on the pulse bro wow i've never heard he's tapped into toddler culture hardcore i was going to ask you know earlier you were talking about uh chimps and all that different kind of stuff i don't know if you heard recently that they uh think we have way less connection to chimps than we then originally thought uh the DNA um was like i think some of the research was off by like some very large percentage it wasn't it wasn't uh it wasn't like crazy, but it was like 14 or 15% off of what they originally kind of thought. I did not hear that. I mean, there's some people that believe that we didn't evolve from chimps or some people that some people think we evolved from birds. And there's some people that believe that we evolved

alongside chimps. So I don't know. Well, there's a really, there's something weird there, right? Like, there's a huge gap. Yeah. Between chimps and us. Like something happened. Yeah. There's, I've never heard a reasonable convincing explanation to why that is. Right. you know there's just crazy theories like the like the stoned ape hypothesis the monkey ate a mushroom and that's what that equivalent to the doubling of the brain size and all that or like panspermia like aliens bred with us and turned us into this those are all fun um and they're better than anything else i've ever heard i've never heard like an academic reasonable i i mean i had a a DNA scientist on the show a couple days ago and i was asking her about this and she's like i don't know

She's like the Stone Day Theory sounds good though. She agreed with it. She thought it sounded great. Isn't that what makes all this? I'm reading this book by, you know who Carrie Mullis is? No. No.

He won the Nobel Prize for developing PCR in the 90s. Okay. But the PCR test is what they used to test people for COVID. He was like a, he's like a DNA genome guy. And he lived right around the corner from here, right down the street from here. No, it might have been in San Diego. He lived. But he was like a, he was a surfer.

And like a hippie dude who won the Nobel Prize. And he was like a crazy scientist. And he talks about evolution and like the connection with the, the connection to primates and like the connection to birds. And it's like a fun book. And it's pretty relevant today. There's videos of him on YouTube. You can find him.

Because he recently died. I think he died maybe like five years ago. But like he knew Anthony Fauci. Oh, shit. And they used. So Carrie Mulls invented PCR. And they used his test, his discovery after he won the Nobel Prize to do all the testing for like COVID and stuff like this. And there's videos of him.

Like he hated Tony Fauci. Like they both hated each other. And there's videos of him just ripping him apart. He also had like UFO experiences. Oh, wow. Didn't he speak out against, he didn't think that they should use those tests, I don't think. Somebody did. I don't know if it was him.

I thought he died before COVID happened. I couldn't be wrong, but he's a really fascinating dude, man. Oh, oh yeah, when he was also an expert witness on the OJ trial. What? Yeah, because they were trying to analyze the DNA from the blood found in the hallway. And they wanted him to be the expert witness because he obviously had won the Nobel Prize for this stuff. And the prosecution, the people that were trying to prosecute OJ

were like trying to discredit him. They're like, oh, well, he's taken LSD before because he's spoken in interviews about trying LSD. Like, how do we know he's not going to be on LSD when he comes up in front of the jury? Oh, my God. They don't. Like, they'll do anything, bro. But, like, he explained, he explained in his book, like, because when he was the expert was on the OJ trial, the two of the lawyers that were defending OJ were also genome experts. And they were trying to get the DNA stuff reevaluated or thrown out because the,

way that they evaluated the blood in the hallway was allegedly the sheriff took the blood sample, put it in a vial and threw it in the back of his squad car and sat there for hours and they did the analysis. That was the blood they took from him and they say it matched the blood spatter or whatever. So he had to have been there. And that was what they were basically claiming to say that he was there and he was guilty. And like his point was that that's not the way that's not like how you do a blind control trial that's not how you do that's not how that's not like a scientific way like the way they did that completely breaks the scientific method and like the way it should be done is it should be a blind like the same way they control with like drugs and

medicines and stuff like this where they do they take the vials of oj blood a blood draw from oj a blood draw from somebody else and then like two other people that we know are innocent and they code them. They don't put their names on them. And then they take the sample they found in the hallway and then they in a lab, they take scientists that are completely separate from this whole thing. And they say, which one of these vials did it match based on the code? And then once they find the match, then they reveal who the name is. Instead of just saying they took, we took OJ's blood and it matched like it was like there was only one person in the crowd that could have matched. They didn't take any other samples. They didn't do like a proper blind control. And that that's how he got the DNA stuff thrown out during the OJ trial. And dude, it's just fascinating stuff, man. But I love the story about how they tried to discredit him with the LSD. With all the different people you've had on the show, have you experimented with like LSD or mushrooms or anything like that? Because you have people that come on and talk about psychedelic stuff.

Yeah, yeah. Funny enough, one of the dudes who really kind of like convinced me to try DMT was the dude I was telling you about. the double black belt judo and jiu-jitsu did you do the DMT I did I've done it like a bunch of times now oh shit yeah

and he said he used to do it every day he's done DMT thousands of times and he says he uses it as a tool to like improve his life like to make his life better and he uses it to improve his jiu-jitsu to improve like his music he's in a band called five-finger death punch

oh wow and and the dude's doing very well yeah but he's also like he explains all these crazy experiences he's had you know like meeting entities in this other like parallel DMT dimension and stuff like that but like you would think a dude who's done that much DMT would be a freak or a loot like a fucking you know a strung out a zombie zombie right a drug zombie but no this dude's very with it very intelligent very successful double black belt like so that that's that's what convinced me to try it. Dude, DMT is one of those things. I haven't done it, but it's one of, it's one of those that like, I'm just scared of my mind breaking under it. You know what I mean? Like, that's why I'm so timid. I'm just like, I don't want to crack. The reason that, um, that I prefer it is because it's, it's only last five minutes. Yeah. And it's, it's impossible to, for it to injure you. You can't get hurt. Really? You can't get, you can't lose your mind because our bodies create DMT naturally. The lungs and the brain create DMT.

We have a, which this cradum guy who was on my show explained to me who's doing a new study on this, they discovered an enzyme in the human body that is basically like the regulator, the gas pedal, and the brakes for the endogenous DMT the body creates. So he's proposing this new study that they're getting ready to do. I think it's already been funded maybe, but anyways, he's getting ready to do this, the first scientific study on endogenous DMT in the human body based on schizophrenia. So what his hypothesis is that people who suffer from schizophrenia, have a have um less of this molecule this regulatory molecule that inhibits DMT and like so these people have more DMT in their bodies which is making them schizophrenic and uh it's fascinating stuff

dude because so and the reason that DMT when you smoke it only last five to six minutes is because your body naturally knows how to process it your body processes it so fast yeah it's something that your body knows how to use because your body creates it so um and there's there's never been i've never heard a story of somebody like losing their mind or going crazy or like breaking their brain on dmd it's like i think it's one of the safest ones more safer than mushrooms or even weed really yeah you get like transported somewhere else i mean what happens it's hard to explain or do you it's hard to put no here or you're like gone it's like it's depend you're gone you're on like can you it's trying to describe a 64 bit experience into like three bits in words like words

don't do it justice can you function can you walk around or yeah yeah well the first like when you first like if you if you do a lot right when you like blast off into outer space there's like probably a minute or two where you just don't want to move because you're especially if you close your eyes the way i describe it is i was being like shuttled through arteries of light inside of like some sort of biological organism made of light and my soul it was my soul shuttling through light arteries there's no way no other way to describe it and i was disconnected from everything in my life on earth my kids my wife every material object i've ever known where were you when you did it i was i was i think i was the same place people go when they

die okay but my physically where were you oh i was in my friend's living rooms your friends living okay okay all right um and then you know you see if you open your eyes you just see geometric patterns everywhere it's crazy but the last time i did it i was outside in my backyard and uh i swear to god i had a conversation with my tree i was telepathically communicating with the tree in my backyard dude like and it was telling me some crazy shit like the neighbor's dog's a piece of shit to have that have that motherfucker stop coming over here taking a dump on me or something i'll tell you this man every time i've done it I've gained really valuable insight, you know, like it's really, I've really taken something

from it. Like if you just, like, I don't think people would, some people probably do, but like recreationally use DMT as like an escape, like they use alcohol or weed, you know what I mean? I think most people that use it, use it as a tool to improve their lives and like to, to gain some sort of like profound, deep, relevatory experience about them themselves or the world they live in. And that's definitely been the truth for me. Like, it's, you think about it after it happens. Like you sit there and you kind of like, you're blown away by this crazy insight that you just downloaded from whatever dimension you just got, you just returned from. And it somehow makes sense on like a deep level that's hard to put into words, but you really, you fundamentally like in your soul, you really understand it.

And if you can go in it with, go into it with specific intentions to get. gain or learn something or figure out a problem, which is how Zoltan described it to me. And it really does something to you. Like I had this conversation with my tree. It was telepathically communicating to me that like the trees and nature are, are ancient gods of this earth. And they've been here forever, whether they get cut down or not. They, they get reintroduced.

They grow again. they're part of the fabric of this earth and that we are like temporary impostors here and they've seen civilizations like us come and go over billions of years and it was like the tree knew something that I didn't and it was telling me that it knew something that I didn't you know

was a tree like yelling at you no it wasn't talking to me in words it was it was communicating with feelings it was sending feelings into me and it was like that feeling was that like it knows something that I can't never know almost that like I'm like an NPC in a video game you know and it was the video game and it knew it was the video game and I'm I am incapable of knowing that how long did it

feel it's five minutes but how long does it feel I felt like I don't know maybe felt like an hour I mean I yeah I don't know it doesn't feel like that long and it's not like you think like I was terrified the first time I did it I was I was terrified it was going to be scary or that like I wasn't going to be ready for it or was going to fuck me up afterwards and that was going to like affect the experience I had by kind of like my fear delusion I had going into it was going to taint my experience but it wasn't the case at all it was just like a very happy smiley experience with no negativity whatsoever how do you do it every day that sounds wild I don't know I've never I've done it three times in like a year so I Like too heavy of a burden to do it every day? Yeah. Yeah. Definitely afterwards, like the day after you kind of feel like you're kind of like floating around smiling at people. You know, you're kind of feeling happy, go lucky and like life hasn't really settled back in yet. It takes like a day for like reality to hit you again. Then you forget it. Unless you really write it down or like I record myself talking right after it happened like to talk about everything I experienced. Yeah. If you don't do that, you'll just in like two days, it's like gone. It's not like it changes you. You know what I mean? It's kind of like jujitsu. When I started doing jiu-jitsu, I was like, oh, man, like, I've heard all these descriptions of how it kills your ego, you're enlightened. And I get into jiu-jitsu, I'm like, these dudes have bigger egos than anyone I've ever

fucking met. And even me, I feel like, I go into a bar, I'm like, I could probably beat up like four or five of the people in here. I can take that guy. It just bolsters your ego. And that's, you know, most of the people that I've experienced, too, like, have done psychedelics their whole lives. They have this kind of, like, Messiah complex to them.

Like, they are more enlightened than thou. I feel you. I feel like it's like, it's like, yeah, it's how you end up looking at it. Because like even jujitsu, you know, like you'll meet a lot of people that are like, yeah, I'm fucking jujitsu, brown belt, black belt. But then you'll meet people who are just like super chill with that shit, you know, because it's like it's not, it's just something they do, right? And you understand that it's not like, it doesn't necessarily put you on a different plane,

but it just, it's something you can continue to learn from, you know? So that's it like I I don't smoke a lot of weed like I used to use it as creative thing But I use it every now and then and it's one of those things where it's like I remember being younger and you could just use that stuff to just Just go somewhere else right or when you use it with the level of intention like okay I'm going to try to focus on this It's up being super helpful totally super useful right so it's a tool you can use to enhance your life greatly Yeah just like jiu jitsu I think yeah you know exactly exactly well let me ask you this On the jiu-jitsu front, you've been doing it for, you said your son's been doing it for two years and you've been doing it for one? For one and a half.

I started six months after he started. Nice. What is like, what are some things you've learned about yourself from that? If, if anything. I've learned I'm really out of shape. I've learned that I can't fight. I definitely it's it's just humbled me yeah more than anything the the thing I can't stand is that like I can go I'll go on bouts of going two to three days two days a week three days a week for like a couple months and I'll be getting so good and I'll be like fucking beating people all the time and the professor seeing it like yo good job Danny then I'll skip another I'll skip two weeks and I've forgotten everything like the hard drive is just wiped and I can't figure out how to fucking get out of side control you know That's frustrating.

So it's like, I think the value, for me at least, you know, the value of it is just like making it, building it into your lifestyle and using it at like, like a, using it as like a tool to enhance every other aspect of your life. Mm-hmm. But like as far as like something I learned, yeah, the breathing, the breathing is the biggest thing. I have guys yelling at me all the time and they're like, Danny, breathe, breathe. I'm like, dying, dude. yeah yeah um but i think it's like the simple things that you like that like the breathing um and like taking your time and like the balance stuff and like figuring like what we were doing earlier with like the hand balance technique push hands yeah yeah yeah yeah like the little

like foundational things like that are like super important you know and like whenever i whenever i whenever I roll with white belts I get hurt Whenever I roll with like brown or black belts It's it's so like it's so gentle Yeah, and organic like like it's like this this one Brown belt dude He just always Beats my ass in the most elegant way possible

With no injuries and it's amazing And they also like to help you too Like okay so do this you know do that or whatever And the fucking brown or the white belts are just trying to kill me I'm just trying to survive That's that's one of the things after you do it for a while like those when you start doing it like you're doing it so you can kick people's asses like that's what those white belts they're trying to end like they don't know how to

move and they're trying to be super aggressive and there's power and strength and right and it's not bad to be strong but like when you roll with people who are more experienced like those the people that aren't going to hurt you but they'll be tapping you right and left with the most it's it's really cool in that sense you know it is so it really is man and just like I I want to like I wish I could figure out I don't know if this exists, but I want to figure out like a, some sort of diagram, like a flow chart of like how every, like all the starting moves flow into the like secondary moves and third moves and fourth moves and like figure out how that web exists. Those exist. They do? Yeah, yeah.

I need to find one and study it. Yeah. Because like every time I go in like I get reset. Like that's a, that's a thing I think that would probably help too like going in. Because I usually just go in there like without thinking about it. I just like show up and just do whatever like we're supposed to do for the day. But I like went there with like, hey, I want to try this today. I'm sure I would like progress a lot faster you know yeah I of course you know no one one thing is one

thing to think about is like they like you know there's so many things you can do in jiu jutsu so many different guards so many different types of passing but if you have you started trying to develop a guard a game for yourself like you know how they're different there's do you do a lot of ghee I do a lot of geese I've done a few no gees but mostly geese there you know how like there's a collar sleeve or a spider guard or there's clothes So what you should try to do is try to focus on one guard and develop when you start around the place you're going to go and figure out like two moves from there to build out your own. Okay. Yes.

I have about two that are my go-toes that I can always do. Exactly. Most the time. Exactly. And then now just build off of that and then try to build transitionary guards. So if someone breaks out of what's your main guard that you play? Like from the bottom, call or sleeve, if I get somebody in collar sleeve, I can do a triangle pretty. pretty good. There you go. Or Camora from there. So you know how to get to those positions. So like now

with collar sleeve, maybe you see, okay, how do I get to an Omaplata from here? You know you can get to a lot of from there. Or if someone's breaks out of my collar sleeve, how do I play Dele Heva because collar sleeve melds well with the Dele Heva guard? The Dele Heva is when one of your feet is behind their knee and the other foot is kind of on the hip. If you know. Right. So just just like transitionary guards just to build that tree out but like have that like just have things like you build that tree trunk versus going to something totally opposite of what you're doing right it's just like what we're talking about with like the learning stuff earlier right you got to get that foundation strong yeah yes yes I just I just I just started doing the clock choke uh huh I love that

one the clock chokes are very nice and Seema is it kind of like a never ending hump to get over right like or like do you like how how do you get over the hump in jujitsu like what like what belt are you or i'm a white belt you're a white belt yeah yeah like how how do you get to a point where it's like fun you can beat some people's asses uh and when somebody else kind of kicks your ass it's not as frustrating because you can start to pick it up yeah i think i think the the stage you're at right now is the most frustrating it's the hardest and i think it's where most people quit because most people you roll with are beating you right um like my professor casio mentions this but it's a good rule of thumb like try to roll some people you know you can beat try to roll some people that are on the same level

same size same level same size and have some people you roll with that are like above you or ahead of you in terms of that that'll like that'll like tool you up right you are to do that with the upper belts yeah but it's so that like you can have some wins right yeah and and over time you know you you still have things that are pushing your skill. But I think like the hump thing that you mentioned, it's person-to-person dependent. And it's one of those things that kind of really just depends on your, how okay you are with getting beat.

I think that's the hump that people have to get over. Not getting frustrated when somebody taps here when you get beat. And just taking it as like, because when that was happening to me, my first thing was just asking questions of how did you do that? How do I get out of that? And I'm someone who still does this. I ask a lot of questions, right?

I think that's one of the reasons. That's one of the things that helped me out a lot is I wouldn't just leave rounds where someone taps me and be like, okay, on to the next round, right? A lot of people get frustrated and they don't even want to talk to that person. But every single time that someone would do something that I couldn't figure out, I'd be like, can you help me with that? And I don't think anyone that I ever did that with was annoyed at me. They would always just help me out.

But I'd ask a lot of questions. I think that's one thing that can help get over that hump. But I think that hump is kind of like always, that that's, I think that's one thing that just helps advancement. Because I think the other thing it helps you do is not get frustrated with the inevitable getting tapped. Right. You know, it can be frustrated. I think this is the importance of like starting stuff when you're young. Your son won't really ever remember getting over a particular thing, jiu-jitsu-wise, probably.

Especially if he continues to do it and he does it until he's like 10 or something. he'll probably just be better than most people he runs into and won't maybe have the same frustration yeah and i did i did actually when i was a kid when i was like i think eight years old i started doing japanese jiu jutsu oh okay so i did that for like five years and or six years maybe but i i anyways i got to the the the kids version of a black belt in regular it's like karate jihitsu right the japanese version where we would do we would do like um like the kata stuff you know like the weapons stuff and then um lots of sparring so i would go a lots of tournaments and do like the um there were basically karate tournaments right yeah and um you had the competitions for like

the weapons stuff the kata stuff and then the sparring and um i did that for a long long time and i think that taught me a lot of a lot of the discipline um and you know gave me a lot of it did something to me for sure did any of it carry over you feel to the jiu jutsu you do now no no Not at all. Not at all. No, no. The, I mean, the, the, the only, like, actual combat you would do in that was the actual sparring stuff. You'd wear headgear and you'd, like, you'd get points for, like, kicking in the head or, like, punching in the head.

It was all, like, body and head kicks and punches and stuff. You get certain points for it and you'd get judged on that. And that, when I was, like, eight or nine years old, that was, like, terrifying. Yeah. Getting in a ring with another kid and, like, fighting. Yeah. And that, I forget about it all the time. I always forget that it was like almost a decade of my life I spent doing that because it's like it's like

Bullshit it's not real fight fighting but um it definitely uh it definitely like wired something in my head when I was young and I think it was that's anyway That's the point I'm trying to make that's why I'm doing it with my kid because I think that It can be really beneficial when you're young and you're growing up to encounter that kind of stress you know you know I will say One of the things that I would call him like and somebody that was somebody in the stronger human community is mentioning this is mentioning this he did a lot of like taekwondo and karate when he was younger and now he does a lot of jiu-jitsu and he's a brown belt and he was mentioning how that in other martial arts like in things like ikedo in karate in taekwondo there's a lot of focus on the katas the breathing with the striking yeah the the the strength of the stance right whereas like in jiu-jitsu it's

kind of like you get in a new role you don't think about how you're breathing when you're moving how you're breathing when you're creating force it's just kind of like teach you movement go and do it right but it's it's almost like you know people will call karate and stuff bullshit but it actually teaches a lot of really good body awareness and and balance um that a lot of arts like jujitsu that are like maybe they're they're the harder arts right kind of miss out on when it comes to instruction yeah so there's a lot of benefit there right that's just kind of lost you know yeah no Makes a lot of sense. I just I feel like nowadays people don't take that kind of stuff seriously. They don't with the UFC, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But you have some people that are like karate killers, you know what I mean? I mean, he got beat up bad in one of his last fights, but sage Northca did a lot of karate did a lot of karate did a lot of karate and a lot of other stuff. He had some really sick fights, but really? Yeah, but people look down on those arts. Yeah. Did you see I saw it? He was in the UFC stuff, but he he did a lot of karate and a lot of other stuff. He had some really sick fights, but really? Yeah. But people look down on those arts. Yeah. Did you see I saw. I saw. I saw. Did you see the thing that came out the other day?

Kabib was like, he wants to get rid of rounds in the UFC. He's like, why do we even have rounds? What's the point of rounds? It never made sense to me. And I was thinking about that. I was like,

no, it kind of does make sense. The rounds definitely make it more interesting. You know, because then you get to like, you get a chance to regroup, like figure out what the other person's doing, go back in,

get your breath and then be more explosive. The rounds, I think the rounds make sense. I think he's for a more entertaining fight too. Exactly. It's about entertainment, bro. They used to have rounds, you know, in the beginning of the UFC, it didn't have any rounds.

Really? I didn't know that. Yeah, like Hoyce Gracie and those guys, they'd like... Oh, yeah, you were right. They would go for like 30 minutes straight. Yeah, for like an hour. Yeah. Wow.

Yeah, I think one match that Hoyce had lasted like an hour. Right. Yeah, I think I heard that. And I think they just called it. I can't even remember, but it just went on. It just kept going. It was like Oleg Tectar off or something like that. And they beat the shit out of each other pretty good,

but it just never ended just kept going forever i also heard they wanted to put like a moat with alligators oh yeah i heard about that before yeah it's incredible like the original ufc right speaking of entertainment i heard a metallica might be playing in the the sphere in vegas yeah what's the deal you got to hang out with metallica yeah like on the beach or something yeah dude we hung out and we hung out in the beach and play guitar and just know them or you saw them or what happen. No, I met, I met Kirk through a podcast guest that I had on my show. And I guess Kirk was listening to my podcast and he reached out to this guy and he's like, yo, give my number to Danny. And I was like texting him. And then we became friends. He's like, yo, I'm coming to

Tampa. You want to come to the show? I'm like, yeah, I want to come to the show. That he's like, he's like, we got like two days off. Is there like anything cool to do around here? I'm like, yeah, you want to come to the beach? He's like, hell yeah. So him and Rob showed up at the beach. we sat there and they played they were like practicing um you know how they do at their concerts they'll do like they'll take a break and then rob and kirk will play like a random song like on the break or whatever by themselves like from another band so they were practicing what they were going to do like the following night and uh yeah we sat there hung out for a few hours and shot the shit we went to dinner a couple nights when they were here and uh yeah kirk was just like super kind and like invited me

everywhere with him and uh we got to hang out a lot for like the whole week which was like a dream come true man I felt like I could make a wish kid or something it was uh it was so bizarre and I felt yeah I felt uh that was like one of the coolest experiences ever is going to that metallic like I told you on that when you came on my podcast I had never been to like a Metallica concert in my life until this year and uh and dude like wow what a crazy experience that was like there must have been how many people were there, there were like, I think there was like 80,000 people, or no, no, over a hundred thousand people each night.

Holy crap. The stadium holds 60, but the field was full. You think they do that ring stage. All right. So they fill the whole field. So there was like a hundred or something, a little bit over 100,000 people there every night. And it was just wall, like shoulder to shoulder human beings in there.

and like that experience dude with the freaking light and the music and the just the thundering sounds of those guitars and the drums like is is a transcendent experience dude that's something you'll never forget they had a metallica played in front of like I think around a million people um in Germany I thought it was Moscow oh yeah maybe maybe you're right yeah Moscow yeah with the helicopters flying above the crowd just like an insane amount of people dude the army there's like military surrounding them in the front and there's helicopters going back and forth over the crowd. Yeah, I remember James Headfield. Like that would have to be an FAA like nightmare. I remember I think he was on a podcast. He was telling this story about how he played in front of like a million

people. And then he went home and his like all his belongings, all his shit was out in the front lawn because he's like, you know, he was getting, uh, getting in trouble with his wife basically. Oh really? Like brought back down to like, you know what I mean? Like a reality base reality. You're this king. You're out there doing all this awesome crazy stuff and then. go back home and the wife's got something for you god that's crazy that's when they had um their old basis their original basis was in the band back then right before you had got in a car they died yeah in the bus the bus crash right somewhere in like they were on like an ice road in sweden that's got to be crazy yeah dude does metallica come out with new music still

and i'm not like i don't yeah yeah yeah they're still killing it okay yeah i mean they're their Their albums are more rare. They don't come out with as many as they use. How insane is it that they've stayed together for that long? Yeah. And been basically the number one heavy metal band in the world for that long. Right. Wow.

That's a crazy amount of people. I mean, could you imagine being a rock star? That's got to be the like, no. One of the craziest. It's a different existence. Yeah, right? Especially on that level. Like, I think about that too sometimes.

Like, these dudes were in their early. 20s, traveling the world. Look at the military. In their early 20s, traveling on jets all over the world, going in front of thousands and thousands and thousands of rabid fans. They could get anything they want. They get offered anything they want. Like, who knows what kind of shit gets offered to them when they land in South America on a private air strip and like, you know, and you're in your early 20s and you have so much money you don't even know what to do with it. It's kind of the only thing that exceeds like an athlete i think and like and you're getting paid a little higher up almost to party and play music and just be a fucking degenerate like oh god and that's what's cool about kirk which that's

one of the things that blew my mind about kirk is that he's like i don't know he's got to be in his early 60s probably late 50s early 60s i'm guessing and like he's still super curious about shit and like he's still practicing and learning new shit on his guitar like practicing new riffs he's reading ancient greek met um musical texts trying to trans he's trying to learn greek so he can play the ancient greek music that was that was written in antiquity because he thinks there was some sort of like ritual some sort of magical religious ritual rights that were involved with the ancient greeks so he's he wants to like the liar players he's trying to read reproduce that dude. Well, there's definitely something to music, right? But usually the tones and noises

in general that elicit a different response. Well, you know, ancient Greeks talked in music. Their language was musical. Like when they would walk around talking, it wasn't like we talk today, you know, like with the breaks and the pauses. It was like a musical. It was like they talked like they were singing and there was notes and there well, well, I don't mean, maybe it sounded like that, but like the Homeric hymns and all these hymns like that's allegedly how they spoke. in everyday life but um yeah no that's an interesting thing about kirk is like how he's still so fascinated and curious and like creative with stuff and he he's like trying to work on new music like new solo albums and he wants to make he wants to make movies he's still

like aspiring to do things when he's that goddamn successful usually people that achieve that level of success and wealth they're just kind of like get comfortable you know writing directing what do you think what's he what's he what's he want to do i think he wants to i don't know what i think he just wants to produce or maybe direct new movies um he's really into horror movies we need more good movies yeah you know he's got um he's got i've seen videos i haven't been there but i've seen videos of his house allegedly he's got like one uh whole floor of his house that he keeps all of his uh horror movie memorabilia and that he collects he collects horror movie shit right yeah yeah yeah like he bought the cape i think he bought the original

cape from the original Dracula movie. Yeah, and like, he's into that stuff. My daughter used to be like way into horror movies and then more recently he's like, no, I don't watch it anymore. I was like, well, what happened? She's like, I can't sleep. And I was like, that's what I always tell you.

You're watching the craziest, even when she was little, she always wanted to watch like the craziest stuff. I'm like, I think you're too little, watch this. You know, and then as she got older, she, you know, I was like, okay, you can watch whatever you'd like, but I think you should still use some discretion, you know? But she'd watch like crazy stuff yeah and now she's like yeah i'm over it i'm like good i don't i don't i like

horror movies but i don't like when they get too wild what was that weird movie that was uh maybe came out about two years ago and the woman had like uh she was taking something to make herself younger or something like that substance oh man yeah so i watched maybe the first half an hour yeah and i walked away for a while and then i came back i was like i can't do it And so I was never able to watch the whole thing. I never heard about that one. Oh, you should watch it. There's a term, it's not visual horror.

There's a specific term for the type of horror that they had in the substance. Brian, I don't know if you could look it up. It's like, but it was a, you should watch it. You should watch it. It's quite good. It has, it has its own cult following, even though it's not an old movie. My girlfriend loves the substance. So what happens?

I, you don't want to ruin it, bro. This woman's taken something. to become younger and you can tell like she's a she's older here right yeah this is like the 80s or something right no this is now like oh she right but she takes stuff to become younger and then stuff happens to her i don't want to ruin it for you so i don't want to say what is it like some black mirror shit or what yeah yeah kind of okay all right i'm into that oh body horror that's what it's called body horror body horror okay you got to watch it interesting it's wow you'd love it i'm gonna have to check that out dude i'm really into i'm really into like the uh the sci-fi stuff

there's like some of the sci-fi stuff that comes out like on netflix and and the movies that come out they seem to like come true years down the road you know it's like this shit finally the military actually figures it out like how much black mirror shit is like current you know what i mean you know you watch black mirror and that shit is like now it's pretty sick i had this lady on the podcast uh a while a year ago who uh she writes about like the military and um like intelligence stuff and she wrote about this organization called DARPA which is like the Pentagon's brains the defense advanced research program and um basically their job is to develop the most high tech most advanced war weapons and technology known to man and she was explaining to me that the the leaders

of this organization in the pentagon they invite famous science fiction writers to the pentagon to have meetings every year to give them ideas for new weapons so they're like they invited uh the director of terminator the director of alien and like all of these famous uh big time blockbuster sci-fi flicks to come meet with them and talk about sci-fi and weapons and that's how they develop their that's how they come up with their ideas the way that i use methylene blue is very similar the way that you're using it i don't use it every day i think things that push that button to change your mood you might want to be a little cautious with it in my opinion and the feelings that i get from methylene blue it does change my mood a little bit it's a it's a mood enhancer uh when i go out and

run i feel like i do have a little bit more endurance i do feel like i can breathe a little bit better but that could also be I've been training very hard as well so it could be an adaptation to that as well but as we've had you know David Herrera and many other people have come on the show before they basically just say methylene blue is a electron donor and it allows the body to utilize energy just more efficiently and I don't know if I can feel that per se but I know that I feel better when I'm running when I'm using methylene blue yeah post sessions of grappling that's when I usually use I use it two or three times a week post sessions jihitsu I always feel like I have more energy, like much more energy than I typically have, which makes me understand that,

you know, if I did want to go for longer sessions, I could. But it also helps me understand that I'm going to be recovering better for my next session the next day, which is a big deal. But yeah, I think that if you guys, first off, this stuff is great because it's third party tested, methylene blue in other sources like the stuff that you'll see on Amazon or like random websites, there's no regulation. So a lot of people have levels of toxicity. from the supplement because it's not dosed correctly. And there are other things in that methylene blue. Again, this is something that is lab made. It's not, you know what I mean? So you got to be careful. And this is why we like using this stuff because we know it's not going to

mess us up. You can go on their website. You can go on the transcriptions website and you can get a report of the third party tested methylene blue and double triple check it for yourself. In addition to that, they have the canotene, which I have not used that much. But when I have used it, workout. I did notice I get a zip from it. It has, I think it has nicotine in it, along with a couple other things to go along with the methylene blue. So do yourselves a favor. Check out transcriptions. Check out what they got. Strength is never weak this week. This week. This never strength. Catch you guys later. Do you have any scary AI professional guests coming on the show? No. No. No. You said that like with so much conviction. Do you not want to have those types

people on your show? No, I'm not. I just like the AI stuff is too overwhelming for me, man. And it's everywhere. Yeah, it is. It's just fucking everywhere. Yeah, I don't know. I'm just not really interested in hearing more about AI because I just hear so much about it all the time. Yeah. I got you.

Have you ever used any of the AIs like Gemini or any of those to like to like the image creating version of it? Like where you can like throw it something in a random image? My, uh, someone who helped me design the logo for the stronger human action. actually did some of that and did multiple iterations and became a yes okay he's used it it's incredible yeah it's unreal crazy yeah and that was a while back too the shit now is insane yeah videos and this dude sent me an image the other day of a protest happening in front of my building and he said it to me I thought what the fuck is going on he sent me a picture he just took a picture of my building and told the Gemini to stage a protest it was the

one of the recent protests I forget what it was called the no kings one. And there was all these people with no king sign in front of my building. I'm like, why are they in front of my building? And I come to find out it was a freaking Gemini creation that he made. So he does this stuff to fuck with people all the time. There's going to be some good things that come from it.

And there's going to be some shitty things, you know. Like I heard Joe Rogan the other day talking about just some different music, you know, like people having, you know, 50 cents music like, you know, run through AI to sound like it came from like the 50s and weird stuff like that. soul, the soul music, yeah. It's undistinguishable from real stuff.

Right. I think on 60 Minutes recently, there's a woman, she showed her face, but there's this R&B singer that's pure AI that got a million dollar something contract, and the woman that's behind that singer was on 60 Minutes recently talking about it. And again, it's like she runs it through, I think there's this new one called Suno or something for music. And she's, first off, the artist sounds pretty cool, but it's one of those things where it's like AI artists.

you know are actually pretty good very good i'm sure there's a lot of fake youtubeers at this point like i know there's i know there's a fitness one that i've seen recently that just says the exact same thing that this other guy says he just says it in a slightly different way just programmed to say it differently yeah holy shit there's a there's actually a famous actress too who's an ai actress whoa who's like got a deal with wme already she's fake tim dillan was talking about her a couple weeks ago on his show. Stuff's just going to get so strange.

I guess like a bunch of like the real like the act people from the in the actors guild were complaining about this lady this new AI celebrity actress. I don't like her. She's real fake. Yeah. Turns out she is real fake.

Do you know, do we know her name? I'm quite, I'm curious. No, I'm sure you can Google it. Zania Monet. No, $3 million contract. Oh, that's the, I think that's the music artist.

Oh, is that a fake AI actress that got a contract? Yeah, that's some, yeah. Wow. Sweet. 300 million? The singer that's the singer. Oh, three million. Oh, okay. Okay. No, but that's amazing. Where does this shit go, man? I don't know. What's going to happen to podcasts too, you know?

Yeah, who knows, man? But like this thing, people. No one saw podcasts coming. No, that's true. But AI-based podcasts with like AI hosts. Yeah, but people don't want, I don't think like people are going to want to listen to that. I wouldn't want to listen to it. But here's the thing, are they going to know it's, how are they gonna know it's real or fake? Sure. What if it gets really good? I'm at the point where half of my Instagram feed is AI. Yeah, a lot of mine is too.

It's, uh, and it's people set not only in my feed, but I get people like relatives, my freaking father-in-law sending me crazy shit that he thinks is happening in the world, that's not real. Oh, yeah, that's who it's gonna full. Like they're living in a alter, like a fake now. My fact check is the comment section. Yes, that's a good one. That's what I rely on.

I look at the comment section and I'm like, I know. Right. They're not going to know, right? How long until it's just the comment section is basically saying, oh, no, this is obviously AI when it's not. It's going to be, at some point, we're going to be crying wolf about AI and we're not going to know what's real or fake. The next big election is going to be something scary, though, because it's like with, with, that's

going to be a few years down the road, things are going to be even more advanced and better. And, you know, people already know how to use bots in comment sections or make videos go viral. you won't know what the politician's saying or not and if the politician actually does say something he can just say it's AI it's right it's gonna be quite wild and I don't what is excited for that at all what did you send me this morning the what is it oh yeah the Biden Biden is a robot clone yeah yeah Biden Trump said that yeah yeah yeah yeah Trump was saying that like he died in 2020 or something crazy like that and his signature changed or something yeah but he also aged a lot and he got like 14

facelifts, so it makes sense that he looks different. Yeah, they're like, oh, they don't look the same, but it's like, yeah, it's 20 years apart or something? If you're going to make a robot clone, can you do better than that guy? Right. I mean, all the engineers need to be fired. Trump's a wild boy, man. He's wild. He says some interesting

stuff. He does. Entertaining president for sure. It's crazy. It's crazy how how podcasters decided that last election, basically. I mean, you can't say that they had a huge hand in it, right? So all the podcast, like, roe.

like Rogan, Theo Vaughn, all those people were like really behind. I mean, flagrant when they had flagrant. I mean, there was a really optimistic energy about Trump before he got elected, right? I feel like there was, way, way better than 2016. In 2016, it was like people thought the world was going to burn down. But this time, it didn't feel that way. You listen to Trump on a podcast. You like the man.

Yeah. He's a, he's a, shoot the breeze. Yeah. He's like a guy's guy. He can chat with him. He's like schmoozes. And he's funny. He can.

make fun of himself and that seems to be changing he doesn't like he doesn't like when he gets made fun of no I mean like his supporters seem to there's like a civil war inside the maga group right now

over all the Israel stuff and it's crazy it's fucking crazy have you watched any of that stuff I haven't you haven't don't do yourself a favor stay away from it it's like every social media platform i go on i have to smoke a cigarette after 10 minutes of scrolling through like i'm just getting bombarded by like all of this shit dude all of this you know iran is doing this israel is doing that epstein this everything's run by

you know these people that are blackmailed by geoffrey epstein and you know the world is controlled by the masad and the CIA and everything's a fucking conspiracy dude it's just like it's getting out of control you know before he was elected I had friends telling me like he's gonna try to go for a third term you know that right I'm like that's crazy that's crazy

just really try to go for a third term he really was he was attempting that you know what I mean he is attempting that so it's like it's one of those things where it's like fuck like I hope we don't have a fucking Putin on our hands yeah yeah I mean yeah I mean who knows what's going to happen man

the next election is going to be very interesting that's for sure there's uh there's never a dull moment no yeah i wonder who will even vote for like who will be available yeah who's gonna run i guess yeah i don't know aOC maybe newsum newsome might run i think newsome will probably run yeah the left doesn't seem to have a main frontrunner right now but newsome if anybody would probably well the left just won big in new york they did yeah Zoltron, but he's, he's, he's young. He's 33. It's going to be a while so he runs for president. You know what I mean? That's so crazy. Yeah. That's so crazy. I think we need more young people, though.

Yeah, but maybe that's a little young, yeah. But I think so. I think so. I think so. Zoran Zoltan. People don't know. Zoltan. Because you told you told me about that Zoltan guy. Oh yeah, yeah, Zoltan Bathory. Yeah. It's going to be the people who understand media, you know, Like the old people clearly don't understand it, you know, the old people, they can't figure out social media. They can't figure out because before you could just lie. And it was easier to hide shit and keep shit secret. And now it's not like that. Like every single thing you say is put under a microscope and you're held accountable for shit.

If you change your mind on something or if you lie about something, you're going to get caught and you're going to get exposed for it. So it's going to be the people that are, I think hopefully more. honest and people that just understand social media and like the new media landscape better are going to be the ones that make it in that game that's a dirty game something i want nothing to do with we'll get an influencer as a president oh that's going to happen well we already do yeah oh that's true that is very true the fucking dude who is the reality star of the apprentice is the president of the fucking united states the leader of the free world it's pretty crazy man but

But yeah, I mean, maybe one of these, you know, YouTube. What are you doing? Politicians or something. He's always working out. He's working out a little bit. You worked out your forearms over there? It's, uh, yeah, wrist and forearms. Wow.

Hands wrist and forearms. Is that what it is? Yeah. Wow. Hands wrist and what makes what that thing looks like? Oh, it's a mace, like a mini-club. Oh, shit. So you just like rotate it around?

Yeah, do a bunch of rotations and stuff. Because my wrists are very weak. Like, I'll get in, I'll get in positions where I'm like trying to hold on to somebody's like somebody's wrist, like somebody's like, that yeah and they'll pull and I'll be like ah I have to let go because my wrist like gets hurt certain things will be helpful for you like the rice bucket having a rice bucket at home that you could put both your hands into and do you do extensers open yeah stuff there's a bunch of things that are helpful but like yeah I my hands used to hurt years ago my fingers used to hurt a lot

because of gee jujitsu but yeah yeah they don't hurt anymore do you use the squeeze like those things oh squeezers I don't really use those as I don't really use those there are other things that I use. Teach me how to look like you, bro. That's all. Dude, no, I'll show you a bunch of stuff.

You just like go like that. Yeah, you can do like rotations like that. You could do it in different positions, like the one you were doing up here like that. And then if there's some weight on it, like take this too. You could just take that.

Okay. Put this. This is the, so we had a thing that we used, we used called a body lever. It's a soft tissue tool. Uh-huh. The guy who,

the guy who made that sold his company recently to a big basketball player, but he makes these clubs right here. Now, you know us how that feels on your wrist and stuff? I feel a pump, dude. Right? You don't have to use that weight. Like, you could take it off. But like, while we're standing here, while you're doing other stuff,

that's what I'm saying. We keep stuff around so that I can just get in these easy reps. They're just laying everywhere so you guys can just constantly work out. Dude, that's the, I think that's the key because, like, think about this. Think about all the things that we showed you today. If you had to fit that into one workout, how annoying and stressful you'll be, that would be, right? Yes.

But if you just had some stuff laying at home in your studio and your gym, you could just kind of pick up these things, touch him, boom. Those micro sessions add up over a long period of time. And that makes everything very manageable. So that's genius, bro. Yeah. And even if you were just to take this thing here and just like just hold it, you don't even have to like move.

You just try to hold it. And you hold it for like a minute, you know, where you're just kind of statically, you know, isometrically holding it. And you could still move around if you want, but you don't have to move. move around a whole lot. I mean, just holding it there. It's going to be a lot. What does that do to your... It's called a yielding is asymmetric right there. What he was doing is

he was just like that, you know, kind of holding it back like that. Okay. So yeah, there's lots of shit. Yeah, it's called a yielding is symmetric. It's very, again, it's like, it's like, it's strengthens that area and strengthens the stability of all the tissues in that area. Over time, you know, that's that like, you won't have nearly as much. All right. Well, you got, you need to give me like a grocery list of shit. I need to get, let me leave here. So I'll get a bunch of stuff set for my new place. Yeah. Cool, man. It was great to have you on the show today. Thank you for coming out all the way from Florida. My pleasure, man.

Second podcast I've ever been on in my life. Oh, really? Yeah. Oh, sick. Joe Rogan. Oh, there you go. Oh, shit. How long ago was that?

July. Oh, shit. Yeah. Oh, cool. That's fun. First one ever been on near the second, man. Awesome. My pleasure to come out here, dude.

I'm a huge fan of what you guys are doing. And a huge fan of all this stuff. I'm fascinated by it and I love learning about it. I want to come check out your new spot, man. Sounds like it's awesome. Yeah, dude. You got to come back. And I got to get you down.

to Florida too come to do the show oh for sure you got to teach me you got to teach me some jiu-jitsu shit though when you come down that's easy work man fuck yeah I love ghi jiu-jitsu so you're do you do more ghi or more no-gi more gee more gee more gee I compete in the ghee okay yeah yeah so I do way more gie than I do no gee I've probably done in my 10 years of jiu-t I've probably done 40 classes of no key I know I know I know how to roll no gee but I just like I compete in the ghee and I like does the no does the gie translate easily to no ghee or no or is it Yeah. Okay. So it does translate well to no ghee, but you're going to, if you're someone who has a very grip heavy game, you'll still understand concepts of where to grab, but you'll just like, you'll be ghost grabbing sometimes because there's nothing there. Right. Right. So, but the thing is, it's like, I think ghee's good to do because there's a lot of transition from ghee to no ghee. But if you go from no ghee to ghee, you're going to feel lost because now all these other grips that you have access to. Yeah. Right. That makes sense. So the opposite transition is a little bit harder. I got this crooked thing. here. Oh shit, bro. I thought mine was bad. Luckily, it's not on any other finger. I started

doing finger stuff after this happened because I was like, oh God. What kind of thing? You do the finger ladder? Actually, no, no. I have like some thing. The rice bucket is super helpful for the finger extensors. There's a bunch of things I do for the hands. Little rubber band things. Yeah. Yeah. Because of this. I did this from I was holding this dude's collars like this. Yeah. And then he did he did the double-handed yank off and i didn't let go that's what that's how this happened is it really same thing i was i was holding the grip and then he and i just i felt this boom and then that that's that's one thing you learn you like you learn to you learn when to just like let it go before they totally break so you hold old hold and when they break just like let it go before

yeah right yeah trial and error dangerous dangerous game you guys play well thanks for bringing me out here man this is uh this was really fun appreciate it strength is never week this week this week Never Strength. Catch you guys later. Bye. Peace.