Mark Bell's Power Project - Do This To Increase Your Willpower

Episode Date: March 3, 2024

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to build willpower as David Goggins would call it, a callous. You want to callous your mind, a brain callous. You want to just toughen up. But what's interesting about this brain area is there's now a lot of data showing that when people do something they don't want to do, this brain area gets bigger. Resistance of life, lean into it. Because I really think that when you lean into the resistance of life,

you end up getting a tremendous amount of assistance. How does the person that maybe is in a more compromised position, how do they get started? It could start on something as simple as a walk. Say to yourself in your head, I've always called these bullets. People give you like fuel. They give you like bullets for your gun

when they say something negative to you. I'm gonna write that down and we'll see, you know, three years from now, four years from now. You might be right right now, but I'm gonna make you wrong five years from now. I recently was on Bradley Martin's show, and I think it would be great for us to discuss some of the things that we talked about on there, highlight the show. Bradley, I thought he did a great job interviewing me. He was able to pull some deep thoughts out of me, which I thought was pretty cool. And then those of you that watch it, you're going to see it gets real

emotional because unfortunately, Bradley had a family member that killed himself. That was his father. And, uh, I had a family member that killed himself as well, uh, in my brother. And so, uh, we, we, we, uh, went through some of that for a little bit and, uh, things got a little murky for a little while, got emotional. Um, but, uh, it was a great show. And I just want to share with you guys today this idea of what it can really do for you when you go through things that are difficult and you go through not necessarily like hard times, not necessarily those kinds of things, but when you choose things to be difficult, when you choose to go on a run and you're not used to running and you hate running or you choose to turn your shower to cold for the last 30 seconds, when you absolutely hate the cold, when you choose some of these things that we really, really don't like. We have a clip from Andrew Huberman as well that we'll share with you guys. But I'd like to share this clip in my conversation with Bradley Martin talking about getting yourself through some difficult struggles, some difficult friction. And in this case,

I'm talking about resistance. And in my phone, it says resistance of life and it just says lean into it. Because I really think that when you lean into the resistance of life, you end up getting a tremendous amount of assistance. And kind of neat that knuckleheads and meatheads like myself and other people obviously and David Goggins, probably the king of it, have kind of already discovered these things, you know, in an unscientific way. We understand that doing these things not only prepares you for harder things in the particular thing that you're doing, like in the case of lifting. When you lift, you build a tolerance for lifting and you build a capacity to lift more and more weight over time. And you're able to do what? You're able to handle more stress. You're able to handle more work. And this is something I identified, you know, for myself with lifting and then it just snowballed and turned into kind of a tsunami of a lot of other really cool things that I've been able to do and accomplish in my life. And it just feels amazing. And so some of the messages I'm trying to share so often with people is I'm just kind of hoping that people can just maybe just capture just a little tiny bit of how I feel almost every single day. I feel really good. I enjoy the things that I do.

I have a lot of fun with them. And I might be overzealous sometimes and over fired up. And maybe that comes off to you in a negative way or something like that. But I just love sharing this stuff. And again, I would love for people to be able to feel some of the enthusiasm that I feel from lifting, running, and getting through some of these difficult things. Moves obviously are the right moves and some aren't the right moves. And it's just like this whole thing of life is like, how are we making sure we're making

the right moves? And I guess ultimately you can't always make sure you make the right moves. It's just kind of what you know to that point, how much you know to that point. It's interesting. of what you know to that point, how much you know to that point. It's interesting. I guess when I start talking about stuff like this, I'm just like, how do you make things better for people who maybe they're at a point in life where they don't think it could be better because they haven't reached that perspective that it could yet?

I think it needs to have like some stickiness to it. It needs to like resonate with them in some way. Something that I think everybody has it within themselves to do something hard and difficult and to get themselves to kind of breathe hard and work hard. It might look different from one person to the next, but that's what I'm obsessed with. It's like, how do I get people, you know, I feel like

I'm screaming from a mountaintop sometimes and maybe sometimes I come off the wrong way, but I would love for people to feel what it feels like to pick up a heavy deadlift and to shake with it and then to finish it. Yeah. Your body tells you not to do it. Your brain tells you not to do it. yeah your body tells you not to do it your brain tells you not to do it and sometimes it's like a one two three count until the weight even moves off the ground your body's like no dude don't don't your brain's telling you don't don't don't yeah but all the training is the accumulation of you being able to do that i don't know how to get people to that point because a lot of people are so far on the other side that they feel paralyzed. Well, yeah, you know, I think you have to be willing to try things in the first place. You have to be willing to try especially new things, things that are novel, things that are new.

I've shared many times in this show before how I got started with running, but I'll share it again because I think it's important. It started out just by walking. I was walking for a long time. Jesse Burdick was somebody that would help coach me with power lifting. And he was like, man, he's like, you got to do like at least a little cardio, you know, And, uh, he was like, man, he's like, you got to do like at least a little cardio, you know, like we're both like big and heavy and like we're a little too fat and sweaty, you know? And so, uh, I was like, ah, I really just, I hate being like on elliptical or treadmill. I hate all that stuff, man. It's just, I don't know.

He's like, well, it'd be good to get outside and just like go on a walk. And so I started doing that. And occasionally I would wear like a weighted vest or something. And other times I would just do like kind of a normal walk. But when you start weighing over 300 pounds, you don't really need a weighted vest at that point. And so anyway, I just did a lot of walking. And then over the course, over time, I went on a diet and started to lose some weight and started to shift gears with some of my goals and stuff like that. I was on a walk one day and I was like, I feel pretty good. I'm going to just like jog a little bit. And that's what I did is I just, I just jogged and I didn't, I didn't run. I jogged. I just went very slow and I was like, I'm going to run to that stop sign over there. And then I walked and I jogged

again and I repeated this and I did it probably like five times within maybe a two mile, um, walk jog that I did. And then a couple of days later, you know, I did it again. And I remember specifically saying to myself, there's probably not going to be a time where I run this whole thing because it's just too far. And, um, it's probably too challenging and there's probably not going to be a time where I run this whole thing because it's just too far. And, um, it's probably too challenging and there's probably no point in it, you know? And sometimes I think we have the tendency to think that like, uh, for example, the cold plunge, well, you know, a lot of science shows that like, you know, under 50 degrees or under 55 degrees, um, you get a lot of the benefits of the cold.

And there's no reason to lower that temperature any further. But there is a reason. And the reason is to build willpower. And the reason is to build resilience and to build kind of this mental toughness as David Goggins will call it. He'll often talk about it being like a callous. You want to callous your mind, a brain callous. And you want to just toughen up over time. And so with running, with lifting, with cold plunging, with sauna, with like any of these things that you can think of, even just like studying. I mean shit, it could be anything. It could be playing a guitar

playing a piano could be writing literally anything when you start to not only do the thing like you like writing but when you're not only just writing and practicing writing you go outside of that and start to study stuff that is still probably going to help you with writing that is not something that you love. Maybe now instead of like writing fiction, maybe now you're writing, I don't know, poetry or something. You know, you're writing something way different than what you're used to. You hate it, but that practice is going to literally expand your mind. And over time, it's going to make you more powerful in everything. And it's just a really weird kind of interesting thing.

But we have a clip that we're going to share with you guys where Dr. Huberman, Andrew Huberman, he explains it in detail. And it's kind of funny because he's explaining it to David Goggins. And, you know, David goggins just has this big old smile on his face he's like i know motherfucker you know he doesn't say that but like you know that that's what he's thinking yeah because he's like cool you're saying all the scientific like terminology but i've been this has been my life for like ever right and it is funny like his little smirk on his face when he's like yeah huberman huberman's kind of like yeah i just learned this recently and uh i think goggins is like hey welcome to the party buddy let's play

this clip i'm gonna share a little neuroscience tidbit but i think it's one that you'll appreciate most people don't know this but there's a brain structure called the anterior mid-cingulate cortex as we pointed out before, that's a noun, it's a name. It doesn't mean anything. We could call it the cookie monster. Right. But what's interesting about this brain area is there are now a lot of data in humans, not some mouse study, showing that when people do something they don't want to do, like add three hours of exercise per day or per week, or when people who are trying to diet and lose weight resist eating something. When people do anything that they,

and this is the important part, that they don't want to do. It's not about adding more work. It's about adding more work that you don't want to do. This brain area gets bigger. Now, here's what's especially interesting about this brain area to me. Now here's what's especially interesting about this brain area to me. And by the way, I'm only learning this recently because it's new data, but there's a lot of it. The anterior mid-singulate cortex is smaller in obese people. It gets bigger when they diet. It's larger in athletes. It's especially large or grows larger in people that see themselves as challenged and overcome some challenge. And in people that live a very long time, this area keeps its size. keeps its size. In many ways, scientists are starting to think of the anterior mid-singulate cortex, not just as one of the seats of willpower, but perhaps actually the seat of the will to live.

Now we're talking. And when I learned about the anterior mid-singulate cortex, I was like almost out of my seat. And I've been in the neuroscience game since I was 20. We're the same age. And I was so pumped because I've heard of the amygdala fear, prefrontal cortex, it's planning and action. I could tell you every brain area and every, I teach neuroanatomy to magical students. But when I started seeing the data on the anterior mid cingulate cortex, I was like, whoa, this is interesting. And all the data point to the fact that we can build this area up yep but that as quickly as we build it up if we don't continue to invest in things that are hard for us that we don't want to do that's the part that feels so goggin-esque to me that we don't want to do

like if you love the ice bath yeah i love the ice bath you go from one minute to 10 minutes guess what your anterior mid-cingulate cortex did not grow none but if you hate the cold water if you're afraid of drowning and you get into water and put your head under yep then your anterior mids and survive then the anterior mid-singulate cortex gets bigger but if you don't do it the next day or if you do it the next day and you enjoy it because hey hey i did it yesterday happy me merry christmas as you would say christmas guess what the anterior mid-singlet cortex shrinks again yep to me this is one of the most important discoveries that neuroscience has ever made because it's that i don't want to do something but do it anyway that's right that

grows this area and it's almost like I have a friend, he's been sober 30 years from alcohol. And he always says, you know, the amazing thing about addiction is there's a cure. The problem is it only works one day at a time. Yep. And so you have to renew it every day. That's right.

So the anterior mid-singulate cortex to me, when I learned about it, two things went off in my head. Whoa, this is super interesting. And two, I got to tell David Goggins about this. And I waited until now to tell you because I felt like, well, for obvious reasons, I wanted to tell you and I wanted to tell you here. Well, I think we're good. Yeah, you know, doing the thing you don't want to do, doing the thing you don't want to do when you normally don't want to do it. I've said that so many times, it's kind of part of the do more, be more speech, uh, that I often, um,

we'll talk about. It's tough to get yourself in position in life to where you feel strong enough. Um, you need to be, you need to be grounded. You need to have a good, comfortable thing to jump off of. You know, you can't jump very well off of like a lily pad. It's like nothing underneath you, right? So I understand why some people don't want to try certain things because sometimes they're on shaky ground. Like they're not, they not physically or mentally um there yet to even consider some of these things so it's so it is easier for some people to make decisions towards certain things than it might be for others but i have found it extremely beneficial in learning this information that i've kind of been practicing anyway, but since I've learned this,

it's helped me go into the cold plunge. It's helped me do some of the weird shit that I've been doing. Like this morning, I woke up. Second I woke up, walked right outside and walked in my backyard, went back and forth five times because I've been messing around with some grounding and I've been messing around with some cold exposure and stuff like that as well. So I just went out and I just did it. In my head, as soon as I got up, I was like, oh, you should pee first or whatever you should do. I was like, nope, that's the signal to go. That's the sign to go. The second that conflict pops up is the second that thought starts. That's where people think. That's where people quote unquote think is where thinking comes from, is that the second that there's a conflicting voice in your head about something else. And I know we had a guest recently that said,

some people don't have that voice in their head. And that was really interesting. Johnny Shreve. Johnny Shreve. I was like, wait a second. That sounds crazy. But I think most people probably do. And, uh, there's these things, these signals, you know, um, let's say you're with some friends and they're, they want to like cliff dive or something crazy. Like, I don't know about you guys, but I'm not cliff diving. Maybe, maybe five feet, maybe 10 feet, you know, off of diving board. I'll go off a diving board. Um, 10 feet.

I could probably figure that out, but like you start getting higher than that. I'm not part of that anymore, you know, because, because, um, because all this other friction would happen in my head, like, and, and maybe excuses and stuff, and maybe I should say, fuck it and just jump. But maybe it is dangerous. And I think that we have those signals in our brain that tell us not to try that 400 pound squat when our best squat is 365. Like there's these things that happen in your head for a reason. They're there for a reason.

And we're not suggesting, and I don't think that any of this information is suggesting that you do anything real wild. How hard the thing is that you're doing, I don't think it has to be that hard. And that's another interesting point because I've been talking about this for a long time as well. And I experienced this in my powerlifting career. I've been talking about this for a long time as well. And I experienced this in my powerlifting career. There's times where I probably pushed too hard and I ended up with injury. There's times where I pushed too hard and I wasn't able to make a lift. There's times where I pushed hard and I was overtrained. But for the most part, and I've been saying this for a long time as well none of it seemed hard because i love doing all of it i love i loved power lifting i loved i didn't mind how long it took you know some people would really complain about man it's like three or four hours especially

when you put on power lifting gear and especially when you get strong, when you start to squat 800, 900,000 pounds, it takes forever to warm up for those sets. And then to, you know, to get to your top set for the day and then to still finish out and do your glute ham raises and your reverse hyper and your ab work and to still put together like an actual workout rather than you just squatting like a max set. It took a lot of diligence, but I always liked it. And what I noticed in powerlifting, when I was in it, I recognized that I wanted to be out of it so much. And what I mean by that is I recognize that most of the people around me, they were like submerged in it and they couldn't see past it. They couldn't figure out a way out of it and they got locked into it and they got kind of addicted to it. And they didn't have like a growth mindset where for myself, I was like, I want more.

I want not more weight. I want more for myself. I want like, I want more. I want not more weight. I want more for myself. I want to eventually be a good dad. I want to eventually be a good partner. I want to be good at all these other things. I don't want to just, I want to be good in business. I don't want to just be a power lifter. And I recognize that.

And so for me, that meant taking my strength from power lifting and the confidence that I built there and just start to implement it really slowly over a long period of time into some other things that I'm going to try. I'm going to at least try these other things because I know I don't want to be locked into powerlifting because I can see what it does to some people. Just like many other sports, it doesn't matter what it is. You're into like BMX, you know, riding and stuff. There's going to be a time where you're going to have to retire from that shit. You do it when you're a kid or you do it and you're maybe thirties. And then you're probably over the hill and you're getting banged up and getting hurt. And I saw that with power lifters. And, uh, I was like, man, I don't want to be like these guys.

This guy's talking about how he blew his knee out four times and he's still trying to squat. It's just like that's cool that that's what they're into. And I love it when people are obsessed with stuff. I think it's really cool. But for me, I was like, I want something different. I want something new. And so when I started to transition away from powerlifting, it wasn't that hard of a jump-off point. Remember I was saying like the ground that you jump from needs to be stable.

I jumped from powerlifting to bodybuilding. It's like it's not like I'm still in the pool, you know, diving versus swimming. Like diving and swimming are way different things. My wife is a division one swimmer and people used to ask her if she dives and she's like no like they're not they're not the same thing at all but you get my point here is like the jump off point from one water sport to another isn't as crazy as going from what i eventually went from, which is power lifting into running a marathon. Is, um, I know we're not like, obviously, um, our combined IQ isn't going to be one

Andrew Huberman, but we're pretty close. Um, but is, um, is hard or difficult a one size fits all, um, is hard, always hard. What I'm getting at is hard for you right now is running a marathon. Hard for me right now is running a mile, right? Even though we can objectively look at that and be like, well, obviously one's really hard and the other one is way less hard. But to me, Obviously one's really hard and the other one is way less hard. But to me, it almost can equal the same level of difficulty as a marathon for you. So would I still receive some of those same benefits? Because I'm just thinking if somebody's listening and they're like, well, shoot, if I need to do the hard thing and the marathon's hard, well, now I have to go balls to the wall and train for a freaking marathon. I do think it's important that things are challenging because I think it's important

that, uh, there's a little, um, like the barrier, there's a barrier of entry. I think that that can be important. And, uh, like, let's say that you found out like that there's a certain classes at your jujitsu school, um, that are going to start, you know, like two months from now. And it's like, um, it's just like a more advanced thing, right? Comp classes, what they're called. Yeah. Yeah. There's more, there's, they have a more availability of these competition, uh, classes going on. And, um, you recognize that those are going to be, you know, they're going to be more difficult. They're going to require more of you. And so, and you might be excited by that. And you might say

to yourself, you might be like, man, that'd be a really good idea for me to do. I'm going to talk with Insima and ask a couple other people. And they say, yeah, man, you should definitely do that. And you're, you're excited by it. So I think that the challenge, and you know, the certain guys are going to be in that class that sometimes maybe you're like not always super comfortable rolling with and stuff, but you're like, you know, I'm just going to suck it up and I'm going to do it once a month. I'm going to show up to that Tuesday class once a month.

And that could work great. And having that challenge I think can be important. But I think that what they talked about in that podcast, and this would be great when we have Andrew Huberman on the podcast coming up, we're working on scheduling him again to get him on our show. What would be interesting to ask him is, does the task have to be hard? Because he was talking about the task being something that you don't want to do. So that's interesting because like, obviously, what you don't want to do could be connected to something being hard.

But it doesn't necessarily have to be because let's say we're trying to convince Nsema to go on a walk and he's like, I hate walking. He would get that same benefit of building that willpower. benefit of that, of building that willpower and SEMA likes walking, but if he, if he actually hated it and went on a walk with us, he would get that same benefit of growing that area of the brain where I would disagree with Huberman. And I don't, where I, what I would disagree with him on in terms of that statement that he made in that short condensed part of the podcast, and maybe he has a lot more context around it. What I think is, like he mentioned, if you go on the cold plunge for one minute versus doing 10 minutes, I would disagree with that.

I do think that life does work, and I do think that things do work in a progressive overload fashion, just like everything else. I mean, it just makes sense that you're're the size of the uh area of the brain now it might be almost undetectable uh that that area of the brain is growing because you know you going from uh just being a lifter into something like running maybe that just shows like whatever way they're testing this stuff, maybe that just shows like a profound result. You know, you see that this

person, they clearly hated running and now they're running. So that, you know, is a nice amplifier of the size of this area of the brain they're talking about that willpower is generated from. That makes some sense. But I would also say you starting to transition into running and going from being able to run one mile in 12 minutes and kind of feel like you're going to die and have a hard time recovering from it. I think that if it's, you know, six months from now and now you run that same mile and you run it in nine minutes and it's easier and you recovered from it well, I still think you're probably going to get some of the benefits of that willpower increasing and having, starting to build what I would kind of consider an iron will. And for super fans out there, for the really maniac super fans, if you remember, I read a passage from a book called Iron Will by Orison Swett Marden.

And there was a – there's also a reading of it by – I got the idea from The Ultimate Warrior. And it's like one of my favorite passages. But, but it's really incredible. And it talks about the will and it talks about, um, I cannot remember the guy's first name, but he's famous for some of his philosophy. I believe maybe I'm even slaughtering that. I'm not sure. The guy's last name is Emerson. And he basically says, he goes on to say that the education of the will might be the single most important thing that you could ever be educated on. And if you kind of think about that, it's like that's really interesting because when you have the will and the courage, I believe that will and courage are tied to each other. Because courage is doing the thing that you don't want to do as well. Like it's not always necessarily like maybe by definition, maybe the word scared is in there as well. Like maybe you have to be scared of something to kind of build courage.

But I would say that if you're able to get yourself to do the things that you don't want to do when you normally don't want to do them, because if you think about it, a lot of times that's attached to it as well. It's like a timing thing, right? You're like, oh, I was going to do the cold plunge and I was supposed to wake up at six, but I woke up at 6.15 and there's really not enough time. You know, I'm going to do it later. And you're going to start that diet, but because you're – It's Valentine's Day. Yeah, yeah. It's Valentine's Day. So you got to wait until Thursday, and then Thursday is not so convenient either.

And you're going to just keep – you're going to keep pushing it. But if you remember when we had – we had Mike Dolce on the podcast just a few weeks ago, or maybe like two weeks ago, and he was talking about how you can really build a lot of resilience through your diet, just resilience in life. And he had this whole story where he went on and on about a Kit Kat. And the short of it is, is that this Kit Kat followed him all over the world. and the short of it is is that this Kit Kat followed him all over the world. He had it. He bought – he was going to do a training session with Rampage Jackson, and at the time, Mike Dolce was a fighter as well,

and he knew that they were going to go and do like a really hard workout. So previous to this, he bought a Kit Kat, and he's like, this is going to be great on like one of these gloomy ass training days that I have. And I'm going to kind of have this as like a de-stressor as like a little celebration for, you know, a good workout. And so he has a workout with Rampage Jackson. They run at like five in the morning. They're in London. It's foggy and cold. And he's got somebody yelling at him, you as he's running and he said to himself yeah after this run that's gonna be the perfect time to eat this kit kat and it just goes on and on he keeps refusing to eat the kit kat what was the words he was kind of saying like

you don't own me or something something like that yeah he would just be like you know he would look at the kit kat like after like okay i'm gonna eat that after i make weight or whatever it is and he's like i could eat you but i'm choosing not to or something like that. I could eat you. Yeah. He kept saying, and we were kind of going to, yeah, we were kind of getting creeped out by that. We're like, what are you talking about? Mike Delote. What? Yeah. Yeah. But, um, anyway, it's a great example and he's right. You can build a lot of resilience. I mean, think about, and so this is an interesting, interesting thing about willpower, and I can't wait to ask more questions. Because does your willpower get built by not doing stuff?

You know what I mean? Like we're at a party, and someone's like, hey, Andrew, you want a drink? You're like, no, man, I'm good. Like does that help too? Let's say hypothetically, let's say that you really like to drink? You're like, nah, man, I'm good. Like, does that help too? Um, let, let's say, let's say hypothetically, let's say that you really like to drink and, uh, we're at, we're at a party and stuff like that. And we're all hanging out, which we never do. But if we were doing something like that and, uh, and you like to have a drink here and there, but you're training and

you're preparing for a jujitsu tournament coming up. I say, hey, man, you want a drink? And you're like, nah, I shouldn't, you know, and you don't have any. I wonder if that builds your willpower too. Probably, I would say yes, just because it's the thing that I don't want to do, right? It's the more difficult route, right? The, yeah, the easier route would be just to have the drink. But if I, yeah, what if it's the flip side? I don't drink at all. And you say, hey, have a drink. And I go for it. That is more difficult, but I don't think that builds anything. You know, so I don't know.

Again, that's kind of a weird question. What about this scenario? What about, you know, kind of the old school, the old guy? You hear people talk about this a lot. Taking the stairs. You know, just taking the stairs instead of the elevator. When you're at the airport, they got that little people mover thing. You just walk on the side of it. And I love that thing. Cause I can walk like a hundred miles per hour. I love

walking against it every once in a while too. When there's nobody at the airport, it's kind of great. Yeah. Well, I mean, according to what, what Huberman said, that the first couple times that it's difficult, you will grow that willpower thing in your cortex. But then third, fourth, fifth time, because it becomes a little bit easier, it no longer grows. But I don't know, man. I think making the decision to go against the grain and do something a little bit more difficult than – I just think if there's two routes, one's easier, one's the more difficult, the more you select the difficult, the more willpower you're going to develop.

Yeah. And it may, you, you could be correct. Like maybe it's not just, uh, doing the thing you don't want to do. Maybe it's also choosing the thing that's a little harder,

you know, Hey, would you rather get, okay, we're going to cold plunge today. You want to go into this tub over here? That's 50 degrees. You want to go in this one? It's 35 degrees yeah you know what i mean and and if you just like

without even thinking of it you're like boom you go and the same thing could be said for jujitsu class or the same thing could be said for working out with somebody you know jujitsu you're going to roll within you're going to choose in sema um graham tuttle the other day was telling me that like whenever he gets the opportunity tries to roll within sema he's like he's just heavy and he's just like really impossible to deal with and he he's like when i go compete he's like i'm just hoping that everybody else feels lighter than that and that they don't feel quite as strong and they're not as technical as he is. They absolutely will.

I was like, yeah, I was like, mathematically, that should work out, should work out good. But they are, you know, they are going to be fired up. They're going to be competing and so on. Yeah, no, same. Anytime that we are in the same room together, we partner up and, I mean, he's not even trying, but I come out with bruises from just doing drills you know like

it's it's really tough I have a kind of a tricky question for you because as far as I know like humans I think I'll use the word are wired to kind of seek out more comfort or they're trying to seek out survival right that's potentially partially why in this country we we have like an overweight problem because at one point we had to like really like okay this is all the food we have we need to eat all of it because we may never get another meal again we've gotten way past that but some of those things that are wired in us haven't changed. So with that, in choosing the difficult thing, if that seems to be doing something for our willpower, and Andrew Huberman said even the willpower to live, like that's heavy stuff. If that's there, then how come this other side is also there? Like it seems like we

have both systems are firing off at the same time and then for some reason whoever put us together decided it would be a good idea to let us choose which route to go in so do you think that we are technically wired to go for the easy stuff while still having the hardware to get rewarded when we decide the more difficult stuff? Yeah, I think when it comes down to like how you live your everyday life and when it comes to, when it comes to like, I don't know, the bigger, the bigger things in life, like willpower, I don't know, the bigger things in life, like willpower, the will to figure out a way to be organized, the will to be ahead, the will to – like there's a lot of different versions of it, you know? And I think that if you – I think you can get exhausted with it. And I think you can – I think you can kind of overdo it. I mean, I think that's what Goggins in that podcast, which you guys should listen to, the most recent podcast of Huberman and David Goggins, really phenomenal. But I think what he's describing is he refused to have somebody follow him around with a camera and do a documentary.

documentary. He was like, I don't want like ordinary people like judging my life and them thinking that I'm psychotic because of the way that I chose the way that I'm choosing to live my life. Now, you know, I, it can get ridiculous, right? Like, uh, choosing the harder thing. Like, so David Goggins gets done with a 12 mile, a 12 mile run for the day. He lifted and he comes home. And does he eat plain chicken with no salt on it? Like, you know what I mean? Like, is everything, is everything that way? No, he probably eats what he kind of enjoys. There's probably, so we're going to have different parts in our life where we're going to choose the easier thing. We're going to have other times where we choose the comfort. But in our survival, I think it's really important that we have, you know, built into us, we have this need to want to conserve energy. And some of the stuff that I'm learning and some of the stuff

I'm realizing is that everything comes down to energy and everything comes down to power and everything comes down to strength. And we're talking about willpower and willpower can't come from nowhere. Like you're still going to need calories for willpower. Like you're going to need your body to be functioning as well as it can to be one of these high, to be one of these people that work in this way. And they mentioned in the beginning of what Huberman said, he said, this area of the brain will be smaller for obese people. And that's interesting. I'd love to learn more about that and I'd love to dig into that more. And what other category of people do we see this area of the brain

being a little bit smaller? of people do we see this area of the brain being a little bit smaller? And it makes sense because not just somebody that's obese, I also just wonder about people that are like sick in other ways. Maybe there's like, maybe you have to really shrink down. You know, you think about when your back hurt, what were your decisions like in your day-to-day when your back hurt? It's just, what were they like? They were different, right? Everything was determined based off of how bad my back hurt. Like, we'll start with the most simple, basic things that you need to do in life. Am I going to brush my teeth, like, in an awkward way, bent over with my elbow on the counter? Or am I going to be able

to brush my teeth like everybody else upright and really like get a good brush? You know, like I'm not saying I had like bad teeth or bad breath or anything, but there are some days where it's like, I'm going to have to go back and do that again because I couldn't get like some of the weird angles or whatever it may be. So small things like that. That's brutal. And to have that weigh on you the whole day, every day. Every day. How you put your shoes on, how you pick up your clothes, your laundry, how you get something out of the dryer, how you do your dishes.

Like your dishes, I think, kind of hurt everyone's back. Yeah, they do. And then also get this, dude, like admitting defeat and saying, you know, wife, can you help me put on my socks? Like, I've never felt more defeated in my life than in that moment. And so stuff like that, yeah, is very. Or telling people you can't, you know, when someone's like, hey, you want to, you're like, I can't, my back is, my back is weird, right?

And so I think that's why it's important. And I think in the podcast that I did with Bradley Martin, I think people will, I think they'll be comforted by the fact that we, we did talk a lot about people having different perspectives. one of the former super training members. And he was talking in his podcast about, and it's a perspective that how do you know anything about it unless you're next to somebody or unless you are that person. But he said, this guy has had a 500-pound perspective on everything he's doing in his life because he weighs, that's what he weighs.

And that is like, man, that just changes, it changes everything. And I think it's important that we can talk tough and we can talk about building willpower and we can talk about how you need to get after it. And you do, you do need to figure out a way to bring like more intensity into your life. You do have to figure out a way to do new and novel things. You have to figure out ways of challenging yourself. But for you to like, you know, I'm talking to people about like trying to get outside. Well, there are certain parts of the country that are covered in like tons of snow. the country that are covered in like tons of snow. Could you go outside when there's a lot of snow? Sure. But it's way harder. It sucks. Like it's not. And maybe, you know, when they clear some of the snow, maybe you can finally get outside. But like, even just in Lake Tahoe, I've been

snowed in before where there's enough snow where he can't, I open the front door and snow comes in the house. You know, like we literally and snow comes in the house. Whoa. You know, like we literally got snowed in there before. We were there for a handful of days and couldn't – like could we have gotten out? I'm sure that we could have. I shoveled the driveway, but it like didn't really – I mean we're talking like the snow is so deep where you have to shovel one spot like four times because you can only get so much snow each time it doesn't matter how strong you are like there's just too much so there's there's people have situations like that like not just it's snowing outside not just weather not just traffic not just all these other things that we all have to deal with. They also have their own

internal things going on. People just don't have good confidence. So for them to try the newer novel thing, they had a bad experience with it. No, they don't, they're not going to the gym. They don't want to ever go to a gym. They don't want to ever, they went to the gym and they got super sore. Then they went to go another time and somebody said something to them and they got super sore. Then they went to go another time and somebody said something to them and they got super depressed and they're not ever, like it's not an option. And so for that person, for them to embark on exercise

is now looking way different than what you and I might think. You might think, oh, just go get a gym membership. And they're thinking like, man, I can't, you know, just, no, I don't think I can do that. Kind of like with you, with your back, right? It's like, well, I, yeah, I'd love to do these deadlifts, but I just, I'm not in a good position to really mess around with that at the moment. So I think it's important that we have good perspective, but then also how does the person

that maybe is in a more compromised position, how do they get started? How do they start to build their willpower? And it could start on something as simple as a walk. It could start as simple as something like, I know I've been talking a ton about like cold exposure in the sun, but these are all things, look, the sun, we know that the sun can help make you feel better. So just give it a try. Just, we, we know that, we know that being inside all the time and being on our computers or playing video games and stuff, it could be fun. It's a form of entertainment. We also know that going outside has a ton of benefits. So I think that's how you get your momentum going. Years ago,

if someone was to ask me about diet, years ago, if somebody was to ask me about, or I should say, years ago, if somebody was to ask me about weight loss and where to start, I would have first started with food. Then over the years, I switched gears and I was like, I actually should probably start with movement because most of the people that I know, they you can get yourself outside, you're going, I mean, there's things like seasonal depression, right? Why is there, because it's fucking dark and it's cold out and our circadian rhythm gets thrown off quite a bit. And we need to, we need these lights. We need to go outside. We need to get some sun, at least here and there. And that's a great way to build momentum. I'm not saying that

you're going to get the sun. It's going to fix everything for you and you're going to lose 20 pounds just because you got outside. But it's to start. And if that – if getting some exposure outside gives you the confidence the next day to go on a five-minute walk, then maybe days down the road, maybe you start walking a little bit more and maybe you're, you're, you're going to start to accumulate over time. And I think that's what you're trying to do with willpower. So it's not like you're trying to have this crazy willpower in every single thing that you do, because I think after a while, your, your energy is just going to like, your energy is going to run out. Like some of the most disciplined people that I know, like when I'm thinking of some of the people that I know,

um, and I've hung out with them kind of behind the scenes, they're normal. They're very, they're very, they're very normal. Like, I know for sure, like if we were to sit down and eat with David Goggins, he would just be eating like whatever, you what i mean he wouldn't be like it's got to be grass fed it's got to be grass finished i don't ever have a diet soda like he wouldn't be he wouldn't be crazy with that part it would be funny to just hey mark pass the salt and like david goggins asked for the salt yeah exactly he needs salt this is weird yeah how come he's not going to yell at us about the salt? That's because there's, as different as we all may be, we're also very similar in a lot of ways. Hi, Project Family. It's time to step up your barefoot shoe game.

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But can you explain what happens when somebody does kind of start to venture out and they just out of nowhere for whatever reason start getting some assistance with uh with whatever it is that they're doing um maybe somebody that they work with all of a sudden is like oh you're getting into running i've been doing that for the last 15 years. I would love to show you what, you know, maybe some tips or whatever, right? Because everybody loves their thing and you all of a sudden run into somebody and now you're trying their thing and they're hyped up to show you. But it's so weird that you could have been working next to this person for like 30 years

or whatever. And now all of a sudden you take a, you know, you step out of your comfort zone, get into running, and then you just discover that he's like the best running coach in the area. But if you never ventured out like that wouldn't happen. We've seen this happen so many times. I've experienced this a million times at this point now. Maybe not a million. That's a little bit drastic.

But a lot of times, what causes that? Can you explain that at all? Like, can anybody explain it? Like, kind of almost like what causes like your eyes to kind of open up to like how much opportunity has been like at your doorstep forever? Right, yeah. Yeah, I think it's just, I think you're shut down, you know, for that part, for that. I think running is a great example because I think a lot of people like hate running and they'll use the word hate and they'll say, I net, they'll say never.

They'll be very definitive about their situation with running. And I actually think it's an important feature to be able to, to be able to run. I just think that like we're designed to let it move. And I'm not talking about like running really far, but I think we're designed for at least some running. But I think what happens is we say that we hate something and, and then, and then like anything that sounds remotely close to that, you're just sort of shut off to it. And we start to develop these blind spots. I was thinking about this just a couple of days ago when I was listening to a podcast and I was like, oh, that's really interesting. I wonder if my friend never mentioned that to me. And then

I started thinking about it more and I'm like, well, I think he doesn't like that guy. I think that's probably what it is. It's probably why he, and so, you know, they kind of talk about throwing the baby out with the bathwater type thing. I think that sometimes probably what it is. It's probably why he, and so, you know, they kind of talk about throwing the baby out with the bathwater type thing. I think that sometimes you take a whole entire concept and you just, you just ditch it. And so then you're just, you're honed in and focused on the things that you believe in, but your beliefs, your beliefs have to be shifted, like, like kind of internally, I think. And they got to be shifted by yourself, even though there could be influence of other people.

It takes a lot of other people mentioning something many, many times for you to start to kind of believe that that might be a good idea or a good option for you. option for you. And then once that kind of happens, once you, you know, realized it yourself, even though it did come from Instagram and it came from seven other people mentioning it to you over the years, once you now have this idea of what it is that you want to do, um, now I think then you start to kind of really open your eyes to how many other people are into this and how valuable it could be. You know, everyone's heard people talk about jujitsu. They just, I have not experienced jujitsu enough to know, but I've experienced a lot of other sports enough to know that it's just downright emotional. Like you get this emotional attachment to it and you could probably, um, you know, you could, you, I mean, you probably had

emotional reactions to some jujitsu that you've been doing, or even just to like another jujitsu athlete, uh, talking on Instagram about how hard it was their first couple of times. And you're like, fuck man, I've been there too. And you get weepy over it and stuff like that too. Meanwhile, it's something you weren't even doing two years ago. You know what I mean? And you're like,

man, I wish Logan would shut the fuck up about jujitsu. I wish Kyle Kingsbury would shut up about jujitsu. I wish this guy would shut up. But eventually the idea starts to kind of be like, you're like, Oh, you know, I should probably, Oh, you know, my back, you know.

And then maybe a couple people said, hey, you know what? You know, your back already hurts. Or maybe you just said it in your own brain. You're like, your back already sucks. Can't get any worse, I don't think. So, fuck it. Let's go for it. Yeah, well, you know, to be as nice as possible to the previous years of who I was, I didn't have a reason to fix my back. You know, my back wasn't against the wall.

My bad back wasn't against the wall. There's still plenty of space for me to keep falling backwards. But basically, so my son was born. I didn't want to be somebody that couldn't roll on the ground with him. And then on top of that, I wanted him to do jujitsu. Right. And I didn't want to be one of those parents that just forces their kids to do stuff that they're, they're not doing themselves. So I'm like, all right, I have to step up and I have to go do it. So I forced my back to get better basically. You know, it's like, um, if you're, if you're

broke, but you live at home with your parents, how come he can't get a job or how come his business isn't taking off? But then his buddy that was forced to move out or maybe didn't have like, you know, wealthy parents or whatever, and something happened and then his business takes off or he gets a good job. It's like, what's the difference? They hung out together. They went to the same school. Well, one had no chance or no choice, I should say, to take off, right? The other one still has an opportunity to kind of still like kick it.

I had the ability to hang out and have a bad back because it didn't take away from my money. I mean, it made me unhappy, but I was still able to like come here podcast be in pain go home be in pain and be okay once my son was born well that changed everything that made me that forced me to get better and on top of that I fell in love with jiu-jitsu and I can't have a bad back while training jiu-jitsu and then oddly enough obstacle is the way jiu-jitsu is the thing that

helped really really solidify and get rid of my back pain because i was moving in all these weird angles and like being folded literally being folded up like you know heels over my head folded up and this thing that i thought would actually like break me was the thing that actually built me and made me stronger it's wild yeah i always loved the uh get rich or die trying from 50 cent i always love that i always love that quote like it's just i think it's pretty amazing but for me like you know it was like have an invention or die kind of thing like i just i had nothing going on exactly i hadn't i had nothing and it wasn't like you know i wasn't like super compromised.

I wasn't going to like end up out in the streets or anything like that, but I was, I was not going to be able to do anything more than just some lifting. And people might view some of that lifting as being extraordinary, but it was something that I loved and it was something that I didn't mind putting the time in. And so over like a long period of time, yes, I became like proficient at it, but I didn't really, I cared about it. I enjoyed it. I liked it a lot. But again, it was something that I did from the time I was a kid and I tried to do other stuff many times. I just wasn't good enough at those other things to be able to break loose from powerlifting. It was like, uh, powerlifting was just kind of always there. I started young and, um, it was kind of like a, like a girlfriend that just wouldn't go away,

you know? And I always knew I'd end up with her and it happened to be powerlifting. This is really mean of me to say, but like, imagine if you were smart, um, we might not have this link shot. We wouldn't have this podcast right now. Exactly. Cause I would have pursued other stuff. You would have other options in your back when it had been against the wall. Yeah. Yeah. A hundred percent. And you need that feeling. I mean, uh, my wife and I, um, the first, yeah, the first home that we lived in, in Woodland, uh, was purchased with my wife's name on it and my brother-in-law, Richard, they bought the home together because I didn't have anything going on. He lived with us for a little while.

And so I needed something. I needed something to happen. And you're 100% right. My mind wouldn't have been in those places. My mind wouldn't have been thinking about an invention. It wouldn't have been thinking about, um, it wouldn't have been thinking about like, it just wouldn't have been thinking along the same lines, you know? Um, I know that you probably shouldn't like, uh, like load up and just go for like one big giant punch. But that's what I felt like I needed to do.

And the slingshot was that. That's exactly what it was. It was me just like revving my fist back as far as I could. Like, hey, this is going to be telegraphed, but it's all I got. You know what I mean? Like I'm going to throw it with everything that I have. And I had to make it work. And again, I'm not trying to make it sound like, you know, I would have been homeless or anything like that and things of that nature. But, you know, that was around the time the economy crashed.

We did have to move out of our house. Like we did have to like downsize. We did have to make, you know, some other decisions that were just like uncomfortable. And it was all just because I couldn't figure out a way to like generate any income. And so sometimes you do have to be in those uncomfortable places. But who am I to be an inventor? You know, who am I to be a patent holder, right? right and so again like i built up some of that confidence through power lifting and through you know getting myself stronger there built up enough willpower built up enough confidence to now i'm like well if someone's going to invent something in power lifting why wouldn't it be me i'm fucking awesome you know like i and and at that time too i mean i think i think it's what why some people gravitated towards some of the content that i had because i would fuck around like that a lot i would talk about i wouldn't necessarily say i was the best because i knew it wasn't i knew there's i respect

powerlifting way too much to make any sort of claim like that but i would talk shit and uh and i had so much fun uh doing it but but a of that did, it's not like that came from nowhere. It's not like I was totally making it up and having this like false confidence. I was actually very confident in myself and felt really good about what I was doing, what I was accomplishing, and that made it so much easier when it came to having an invention and turning that invention into an idea that you sell and then having that idea turn into a business, which, you know, is all just – it all just made sense. Like it wasn't – so it's interesting when you think about like doing things that are hard. There's not really a part of that process that was hard necessarily.

Um, there's not really a part of that process that was hard necessarily. Although there was like a lot of hardship and a long time of me, you know, struggling in school and, uh, of me power lifting and of me doing like a bunch of shit that like no one seemed to understand. So there was like all those years of all that stuff. But then when it came to actually acting on some of that and actually having a product to sell and actually having an invention, those things, they really just took like time. It took time and there wasn't like – like even getting a patent, it took a couple years. But again, it's not like it was hard.

It's just like communication back and forth. And then finally we got it. And there were some situations that were, that did become difficult, like, you know, keeping inventory and, you know, having employees. And then there's like all kinds of things like that later on that had some like difficulty to it. But, you know, for those people that are scared to like go all in on something, again, I don't think the thing – I'm not saying that the thing is never going to be hard, but it doesn't have to be hard. And I think that that's where people's brain is at. It's like they think that something needs to be really hard.

hard i mean just think about this for as an example like does the guy that makes you know 60k a year versus the guy that makes 120 a year like is the guy that makes 120 a year working harder he i mean you start to get into that kind of math and you start to kind of think i would imagine as those numbers go up you start to get into the 200s and 300, start to kind of think, I would imagine as those numbers go up, you start to get into the 200s and 300,000 and so on, that the guy's probably working like, things are probably getting a little smoother, you know? He's working smarter for sure. Yeah. And that's not always the case, but you guys know what I mean. Like we do have like a lot of blue collar workers and to us, maybe to those guys, maybe some of those guys enjoy that. For me, that would be really difficult.

That would be really challenging to wake up every day and to kind of have a construction job. I wouldn't even think that it sucked necessarily. I'm just not good at some of that. Yeah, no, I would think it. I have done some laborious jobs and I was just, I mean, obviously I was like smaller and weaker. To do it for a long time is hard. No, no. There's a reason why it's called backbreaking work.

It's tough. Because it breaks the back. To do it for a couple of weeks or something, a summer job, like I did that when I was young. It's like, that's kind of great. But to do that all the time, do it when it's cold out and everything else. Yeah. I've had like low skill laborious jobs so what i mean is like just working in a warehouse where it's like all right i need

you guys to move all these boxes full of full full like filled up paint cans so like boxes of like four paints four big old buckets or gallons i should say not the heaviest thing but it's an awkward box and some of them are torn so you have to like fucking hold it all weird i just need you guys to move it from this corner to that corner over there oh all day long all right cool here we go the next day all right uh turns out that that's the wrong corner so i need you to put it in this back corner over here and i need that done by lunchtime because after that you're gonna have to you know do the same thing all over again. And all we did was I just call this professional Tetris players.

That's all we did. We just played Tetris all day long. It was the most annoying thing ever. Talk about. You're probably part of some experiment. Potentially. In my head, I'm like, I don't think anybody actually gets anything done here. All we do is move boxes every single day.

Like nobody's actually selling. Like what? Like I would look at stuff like that and be like, this is dumb. here all we do is move boxes every single day like nobody's actually selling like what like i would look at stuff like that and be like this is dumb i was like but i'm collecting a paycheck and all i have to do is like take my brain out put it to the side then walk in and go um but anyway back to our conversation um it's something that i'm hearing a lot on social media over the probably the past like year or so um and again, when you start hearing something on social media or YouTube, wherever it may be, like people dissing cold plunges all of a sudden,

it's like, where's this coming from? But I'm hearing people talk a lot about seasons. They're like, oh, I'm just going through this season right now. And so my question is like, well, first off, do you believe in like that whole like idea of seasons? Like, oh, right now I'm going through a season where I'm just focused on building my company or, you know, whatever, creating more assets for my future. And then through another season where you're like, okay, I'm going to kind of chill on that and I'm going to work on getting the best physique of my life or whatever it may be. Do you think that like there is such thing as like, all right,

this calendar, like month, we're focusing on this thing. This is, I'm in this season right now. I think that by saying that you're going through a season and it sounds like uncontrollable, you know, it sounds like you're saying that the situation or the stage that you're at, you can only do this thing. And because you're doing this thing that everything's like too hectic and you can't get to anything else. It's probably my most hated thing is to see, you know, texts come back from people where they talk about their things are hectic.

Things are chaotic. Swamp. Swamp. Yeah. I'm swamped. I'm always like, why are you? I mean, you guys would be shocked that the fitness influencers, like you're – you're a fucking fitness influencer and you're swamped. How is that possible?

I have nothing to do. Every day. My calendar is wide open all the time. And I got two kids and multiple jobs and I'm running and lifting and whatever else, but I can still make time for stuff very easily. I'm not overwhelmed, you know? And that's what I, that's what I see is when, is when somebody, somebody texts that back to me, I'm like, oh, they're overwhelmed. Like instead of it saying I'm swamped, I'm like, I'm overwhelmed and I'm a pussy. It's like, get your shit together over there, God damn it. I do think that you can build up multiple things at the same time. I'm very

fortunate in the fact that, and I do have perspective that everyone's life is a little different, but I do have, you know's life is a little different, but I do have, you know, I am blessed to have an amazing wife that is in all this with me to get, you know, we're in it together. And so, you know, if I was Christian Guzman, who like when he came here, he shared a lot of really cool stuff with us about his business and stuff. And he does a lot of the like day-to-day on top of like and i don't know if the same now his companies have grown so much but at the time you know he was like uh even even had a hand in like designing stuff uh the shirts the logos the clothing the samples all of them yeah yeah yeah

the sample crazy yes sampling like the material and like checking this and this stretches this way and that way. And he was very, very involved. And I think he was very involved in like the numbers and all that stuff too. Todd Abrams is another guy who was like that as well. Chris Williamson. Chris Williamson. Todd Abrams is somebody that I really admire a lot. He has a shit ton of kids.

I think he's got like three or four kids. And he's done a good job because while he was building Icon Meals, he was also building himself. Yeah. And it's funny because you'll mention certain people to him and he'll be like, oh, yeah, I consulted with that guy or I consulted. The guy loves to study, like he loves to study business. And almost any business person you can kind of think of in your head, he has actually went out and purchased consulting from a lot of these people, which I think is amazing. Like that's really admirable because a lot of times we're like, I got it. I'm good. I'm above him or I'm better than him. Yeah. Yeah. What am I going to learn from this guy? No, he was like, no, let me, I need to learn

as much as I possibly can about this. But there's a guy who figured it out. You know, there's a guy who was able to spin multiple plates at the same time. And I think if you're, again, I think that people think that everything has to be really difficult or really hard for you to get results, uh, your lifting and whatever. And it just, I'm here to tell you, it just doesn't need to be, it doesn't need to be. It doesn't need to be hard, like to have a physique, to have a good body, to look like you lift, to build some good strength. It doesn't need to be hard. Now, occasionally, you might bump up to some situations where you run into an injury, or there might be situations where things get a little bit more difficult. But what I mean by this is like, you know, you're like, what are you talking about, man? It's really hard.

You train X amount of time, you know, and you got X amount of hours and X amount of sets and X amount of reps. Like it's a lot. It is a lot. But just because it's a lot doesn't mean it's hard. Anything that you can break up into smaller pieces isn't hard to do. I think that's a quote from, I always want to say Harrison Ford, from Henry Ford, who created the... I love all his movies. Indiana

Jones is my favorite. Yeah. Yeah. The guy that did Indiana Jones said that anything you break down into smaller parts is going to be more manageable. Henry Ford, he created the assembly line. And that's a good way to look at lifting, fitness, running, jujitsu. You know, I kind of like this idea. I don't know why I picked the number six, but I just did. I'm like, what about, you know, six days, six weeks, six months, six years? Like what's something going to look like when you think about, six days, six weeks, six months, six years, like what, what's something going to look like when you think about like six days from now, if I follow this plan six days from now, how am I going to feel? Six weeks, how am I going to feel? Six months, how am I going to feel? Six years, how am I going to, you know what I mean? If you start to think about stuff like that,

or you can even do it like whatever number you want, you know, three or five or whatever. And you kind of say to yourself, yeah, what is this going to look like? If I'm, if I'm somewhat consistent with this over the next five years, uh, what's that going to turn into? What's that going to look like? Let's say, let's say, uh, you're doing jujitsu like Smokey's doing. Like Smokey goes once a week. He tried to step it up recently and go twice a week. He's like, nope. He's like, that's pretty hard and just doesn't fit because Smokey still likes to get after it with the weights that he's lifting.

So he found something that worked. And I think in SEMA a long time ago, sent us a video of a guy that received his black belt in jujitsu after like 12 years of going once a week or something like that, you know, so anything's possible. And obviously like, again, there's going to be some challenges in there, right? But my point about stuff not being nearly as hard as you think it's going to be is that every time that every time something gets to be a little bit more difficult,

your body adjusts to it a little bit more. Every time you think that that 185-pound bench is going to feel heavy, your body slightly got prepared from it from you benching 175. So it gets to be easier over time. Like benching 315, I think you were mentioning this earlier, like for one person, something that's difficult or something that they don't like to do may be different from another person. And when it comes to something like strength, you know, strength is acquired, you know, over time. And it can be relative. For one person, 315 could feel really easy and can be like, I could do that for 20 reps. And for somebody else like, man, that's a life. I hope that one day, I hope I can put three wheels on there. That would be amazing. And we are all different and we do need to have different perspectives on it. But the way that the guy, the way that the person that

gets to 315 and the way that the person gets to 225 is the same. They're very similar. They need a certain stress on the body in order for the body to recognize what you're trying to do, in order for your body to adopt and adapt to what it is that you're doing. And our bodies are very adaptive. They can adapt to just about anything. So if you give your body these clean inputs to get stronger, it will get stronger. I've said this a million times.

There's not a person on this earth that can't get stronger. Everyone can get stronger. Everyone can get better. Everyone can get faster. Everyone could be more proficient. Everyone can learn better. Everyone can read faster. Everyone could be more proficient. Everyone can learn better. Everyone can read faster. Everybody could write better. Everyone possesses the ability like just, you know, get a little bit better at stuff. But there's no requirement for that being really

difficult that I've ever really seen or ever really, the only, if there is anything difficult about any of it is to try to be consistent. So there's not necessarily when it comes to, you know, when it, when it, let's say you're 35 years old and you're kind of out of shape. If, if you don't put a time cap on it, it's not going to be that hard for you to get in shape. If you're 35 and you're 280 pounds and you're trying to be in shape by the summertime and we're just in February, that's going to be really impossible. And even if you're trying to be in shape for the summer of the next year and to look like amazing, that's still going to be cutting it close. How many years did it take you to get to that 280 pounds? It's going to take at least half of that to like unwind some of this shit. So if it took you 10,

12 years, uh, that's when you started to really accumulate body fat. And now it's probably going to take five or six years for you to, where people go, oh my god, I cannot believe you totally did a 180. For you to make some progress and for you to lose 20 pounds and stuff, that can happen. That can happen pretty quickly. But again, even in this example, if you're trying to like just dive down your weight or you're trying this like extraordinary goal with a time cap on it, that can be hard. That can be difficult. And those are usually things that you can't sustain. And so you maybe do it, you maybe reach your goal, but then like all hell breaks loose afterwards. And those kinds of things are, those kinds of things, I don't think, I don't want to say they're never great,

things I don't think, I don't want to say they're never great, but they're not, they're not, they're not good like life concepts. Like I think just saying, I'm just going to, I'm just going to play the long game. I'm just going to get good at this. I'm going to absorb it the best that I can. And I'm really going to take my time with it. It's such a difficult thing to do, but even with our, with our boy right here, John cena sitting in front of me over here on on every podcast we got his little wrestling doll over here um you know john is somebody that my brothers and i got into professional wrestling uh many many years ago but watching that guy play this kind of like slow and steady game of like i don't think people I don't think people, I don't think people know or knew, like, I think he was in Ohio Valley wrestling for like four years, five years, which doesn't sound that long, but normally they

don't keep, they don't keep talented people as talented as John is, uh, down on that level for that long. But he didn't mind. I think he loved it. I think he loved submerging himself in that. He's like, I'm going to learn everything that I need so that when I do come up, I'm going to be able to handle it. So not only did he come up and not only did he start to go through the ranks, but he's able to be sustainable. He's able to sustain it for a long time. And other guys that they brought up quicker, other guys they brought up

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that's over at hostage tape.com slash power project links in the description as well as the podcast show notes i'm gonna ask a a dumb question because if somebody's fired up and they're they're talking about maybe they even mentioned this podcast episode to somebody else. And if you do, thank you. But in regards to like, okay, I'm going to go build up willpower now. Again, this is a dumb question. Why does somebody want to build willpower? I think it's going to be that thing that's going to be just always, always sitting there and it's going to be just always, always sitting there and, uh, it's going to be super reliable when you build up your willpower, it's going to be something that's going to be reliable. Like, I think that, um, when I go on vacations, when I go, like I'm going to Iceland, uh, this

week, um, my family knows that like, I'm still going to eat the best that I can eat. I'm still going to go on my walk. Like it's still going to happen. It's going to be cold there. I'm going to freeze my ass off. But because I've built these disciplines, these habits, because I've worked on my willpower, I still have that to rely on. And one of the things that comes from willpower is accomplishment when you have the will to do

these things you can check it off your list something that um i found really interesting by using the app morpheus that's the heart rate monitor thing that i wear that checks your hrv um it it asks you in the um it asks you to rate um it asks you like to rate your workout. And it's super interesting because you get to select what style of workout you're doing. So let's say that I select a workout that is like a slow and steady run. And my heart rate is supposed to be like 120 beats or something like that. And I'm supposed to do that for 45 minutes. Well, when I do that for 45 minutes, I get to check it off and I get to, when I'm done, I get to say, I got a 10 out of 10 on that. I don't think we do

that for ourselves enough in life and in our day to day, and we need to do it more. So you set out for the day, I'm going to get into the cold plunge. Maybe you need to be a little bit more specific and maybe you need to say, I'm going to get in the cold plunge for 90 seconds. Okay. You go on the cold plunge, 90 seconds. How'd you do in the cold plunge? 10 out of 10. Fucking a hundred percent. I fucking rocked it. How'd you do with getting some sunlight today? I went on a 10 minute walk. I already got at least one of those in. I'm hoping to maybe get another one later on today. And you start to build up these victories and start to build up these wins. Um, I realized, you know, I'm always kind of selecting all the same shit. Cause I'm like,

I'm lifting, I'm walking, I'm running. Um, but, but I'm not creative enough to come up with a lot of other new or novel things. But even with all that, I have been doing and I have been practicing new things. I have been jumping. I have been, you know, when I'm running, I just start to run differently. I run backwards. I'll sprint. I'll sometimes stop and do like pushups and do like a lot of different activities and a lot of different things. And I think that when you have a good, strong willpower, you'll always be able to rely on it at any time,

no matter what happens to you in the rest of your life so you build up these wins and you build up these victories and you feel good about yourself but something horrible happens you know a family member dies you know and it's like oh man like what do i do tomorrow man fuck um well um i'm checking on the family and if everyone's okay, I'm going to go to jujitsu. You know what I mean? Like it's there. Like it's still there, you know, because you know, you know, one of the most important things is for you to make sure that you're still yourself. And I mean, whenever any tragedy comes around and anything crazy happens in our lives, who would tell you any different that it's a bad idea to be around friends?

You know, like that's – I've had some friends have some really crazy things happen to them and they've been some friends that aren't always super stable. So I'm like, is there anybody else around? You know, you got a friend, you got some, can you go to someone's house? Can you spend a night with somebody? Could you, because I'm, I'm worried they might harm themselves or they might drink or might relapse or have a situation like that. And so when you have willpower, you're going to have, even, even if your life doesn't feel stable, you're going to be stable on the inside. And you're going to be strong on the inside. You're going to be able to rely on these things.

And these things, they'll always make you feel good. They'll always make you feel good. They'll make you feel good about yourself. And that's another thing that we don't really talk about often enough. I mean, this should be great practice. I never actually even really did this. I just do it myself. But just write down like 10 things

that make you feel really good. And then try to do them, you know, like. What a concept. I mean, it doesn't, you know, and you obviously you want to like, yeah, you want to like watch out for certain things like you don't want to, you know, a bunch of drugs on your on your

list or a bunch of uh so many rules already i don't like this a bunch of pizza and everything else like that but um you kind of want you know things that are maybe good for you yeah things that are good for you things that are a little healthy um i always say like taking a shower makes me feel good so um there's been times where, you know, I've had some conversations with my wife. Maybe we were talking about like business or maybe stuff's going a little sideways, like an uncomfortable conversation. And it's like, you know, you pause from that for a little bit. I'm like, I'm going to go take a shower. I go, I take a shower.

Now my mind's a little bit more clear. We talk things out a little bit more and everything's cool. So you find those things. I mean, taking a shower is not really like a willpower thing necessarily, but for me, it's something that I associate with me feeling better, me coming out of that feeling better. And a lot of the things that you are going to probably start to associate with your willpower are going to be things that will probably make you feel better. Yeah. The, um, so the day my mom died, I worked, um, I didn't go to jujitsu the very next day, but the very next opportunity after that I was at jujitsu. Um, and I just simply said,

cause like one of my buddy was like, you know, not surprised to see me, but like he came up and he, you know, gave his condolences and, um, I forgot what was said, but something kind of like, oh, it's cool that you're here. And I'm like, dude, movement is medicine, you know, like it fixes everything, but also like, yeah, just having the willpower and having the good habits to, uh, to continue to do things. Um, same thing, her funeral, I worked that morning knowing that I was going to have to speak in front of the entire family, you know, at church and stuff. But it's like, no, we, we got, we got stuff we need to do. And I don't know if in that moment I was thinking like, oh, I need to lean into the hard thing or

whatever it is, but it was just like, like, no, we're business as usual. Um, obviously today's like a monumental day if that's the right word, but a memorable day I'll say instead. Um, but yeah, no, we just, we, we gotta keep pushing no matter what happens. And I think because I have leaned into some of the more difficult things, it put me ahead of, I'm not saying I'm better than the rest of my family, but like, as they are, you know, going through the mourning process, it's like they might've had a little bit more difficult time with the whole situation because maybe they weren't leaned into the hard stuff. You know, maybe they did lean into the conservation side of things, right? With the energy and whatnot. And so and so yeah for me personally yeah

just being able to have some of that willpower just helped me in one of the strangest times of my life you know like nobody preps you for that unless you are the author of tea time with the reaper I forgot his name yeah really interesting episode that we had a long time ago but yeah nobody talks to you about that sort of thing. And then when you're faced with a weird situation like that, if you don't have that willpower, and if you don't have the experience of doing like the harder, more difficult thing, then you're going to be kind of thrown off by almost anything, let alone something more difficult. Yeah. Willpower is definitely like a skill, you know, and it takes time to be able to, to build it. And I think,

you know, we, we choose a lot of physical stuff. That's what we talk about here on the power project all the time. And I think the physical stuff, you know, um, I think it's, it's, it's a physical stress, you know, um, you know, I, I've had situations where I've had to go up and talk in front of people before and my body shakes my voice shakes like especially when i was new to that and i just wasn't used to that uh very nervous and very scared and just kind of hated it you know over time i i learned to lean into i remember in school, having to do a few times and getting up in front of the class and talking and just being like really embarrassed and just like, just had a really, really tough time. or a couple times after that maybe, I was like, you know what?

You're kind of good at making people laugh. So let's see if you can do a little bit of that, and then maybe it makes it easier. And then it started to become more fun for me, and it kind of broke me in. And then when I did professional wrestling and stuff, they just make you do a lot of that. And so when we're talking about doing these things that you don't want to do, even as I got more skilled with that,

even as I got better with that, I still didn't really want to do it a lot of times. And then you would, you know, in wrestling, you're like cutting a promo on somebody and you start to get good at it. And then everyone like claps at the end. Cause you do it in front of like your class, you know, and there's like 30, 40 people in this 30 maybe maybe 20 or 30 people in a class and uh they clap and they get all fired up because you said something funny or made fun of somebody else and they you know give you like fist bumps and stuff and then you know when that class starts going you know you're kind of like i hope coach calls on me first because like i'm ready to fucking rock i got i got good. I got good ammo for today.

It's like a rap battle, you know. And you're, like, confident that you're going to do well in that. So you can take something like that and you can kind of completely flip it upside down on its head. What I was going to say earlier is, like, the shaking and stuff that you may do in a situation like that. Like, sometimes I'm a big fan of the show Shark Tank and sometimes the person goes to show their product and they're, they're, they're shaken and man, like they're under the lights. They're, they're on big time television right there. And that's gotta be really challenging. So they get real shaky. But what happens from a hard workout? You know, what happens from a heavy workout? That input into the nervous system makes you shaky. You're trying to you know, if I can stick myself into a spot that's like super hot, stuff myself into a sauna or stay in my hot tub for a little longer, or if I could stay in a, you know, go on a cold plunge or make it a little colder.

But, you know, if I could – if I can even make the cold plunge less comfortable, like I've been dunking my head underneath more recently or at the very least just like – at least like splashing my face with the water before I get out of it. I haven't tried this one before, but it's in one of the books that we have over here by George Hackenschmidt. And he talks about like after you get out of like a – they didn't have a cold plunge back then. But after you get out of a cold body of water to stand in front of a fan. Oh, man. So you're just like – you're just compounding stuff and just making everything. Again, I'm not suggesting that like you have to make everything like you start sleeping on a bed of nails and stuff like that i'm not saying but like these things you can feel it like when you do these things and accomplish these things you can feel it and now like instead of just uh instead of just like

resuming my day after a cold plunge and drying off i uh i warm myself back up with a lot of exercise so i do like a lot of squats um today i did two sets of 50 squats and my legs were just burning. I'll just do like toe touches, like almost like a deadlift. I'll do some like jumping jack type things. And, you know, it takes a little while to get yourself warm. But not only do I get warm from that, I get warm and I stay there rather than like freezing my ass off the rest of the day. Yeah. Wind or if my son sees that I'm in the cold plunge and he just, he loves water. I don't know if all kids like water, but like he just freaking anytime there's anything he can play in, he'll do it. And like, he doesn't care. Like, I don't know, babies, toddlers, they just have no, like, they don't care if something's ice cold. They're just like cool he'll like splash and do that makes it like 10 times worse for me like i already don't like getting in the cold plant yeah any movement but that and then like just the splashing of the face like the and then the wind and all that stuff it just like wow like please just stop

super annoying um he's trying to make you more resilient. He is. Yeah. I mean, shit, if there's one person on the planet that has, it's him. Shout out to Julius. I had to get very resilient in all aspects of my life. But again, going back to the part where like humans want to like conserve the energy and stuff and, you know, you keep saying that like it shouldn't be difficult. And, you know, you keep saying that like it shouldn't be difficult. I think what you're saying is like if somebody doesn't go to the gym going for the first time or going into a foreign place, you're not saying that that shouldn't be difficult because that's difficult for a lot of people just going to a new place. Like if I have to go to the DMV, that's freaking difficult because I don't know where to stand. And if I get the wrong number, everyone there for some reason, everybody in the whole building

knows exactly what to do except me for some weird reason, right? Everybody knows. Somehow I mess it up. That's difficult for me to deal with. So I'm not saying that, you know, going to the gym is the easy thing. But what you're saying is like

that first workout shouldn't be like the most difficult workout ever. So is that what you're saying as far as like, is that the method in kind of turning off that, I guess I'll say the will to conserve energy and kind of shut that off and be like, you know, I'm going to go use this energy right now. You know, I think, you know,

if I think of just in terms of my own experiences, like I ran yesterday and then after that i i did a workout at our new studio and i kind of didn't really want to do the workout i was super hungry i was like man i just want to go home and like eat you know but again the way that i talk myself into these things is i i rationalize it i'm like it's just not that hard. It's like, you need to go there and, you know, spend 30 minutes in there. And I know I'm not going to spend 30, I'm going to spend 45, like just every time I'm going to probably do a little bit more. And I do recognize for other people, like going into the gym might be difficult for them. I understand all that. It

might be challenging. And it might even, they might even just say it's, it's hard. Um, but what I mean is like, when you're there, it doesn't have to be that hard in the sense of like, your body is going to continue to get better every time that you go. So if you go and you do, let's say you do three sets of leg extensions and a couple sets of leg curls, well, you'll, you'll get kind of sore from that and stuff, right? The next time you go, maybe you're able to handle a little bit more the next time you go. But it's not like you don't want to be intense. It's important to bring some intensity and it's important to go at it at a certain pace and at a certain rate and everything.

at a certain pace and at a certain rate and everything, but your body is going to continually adapt and adopt these inputs that you're putting into it. It's like your body won't, it won't learn stuff that it's not prepared for. You know, like if you try to go into like a certain class and it's, you know, you're supposed to be in the one-on-one class and you're in the one-on-two class, you can't really pick up some of the stuff that they're saying because you haven't completed the first course in the first place. And the same thing happens with training. Like you, yes, you could very easily overdo it and make things harder on yourself. But I'm saying like, don't go that route because the single most important thing to your success is consistency, not intensity.

Intensity is something that you could work on down the road. Even thinking of my own journey, like I was always a little bit of a pussy on a lot of stuff, you know, I was a bigger kid and I was a strong kid, but I was never aggressive or anything like that. And I always just kind of like took my time with stuff and it just, it ended up working out really well. I always just kind of like took my time with stuff and it just, it ended up working out really well. But if you're somebody that's like watching some of these YouTube videos and some of these Instagram posts where people are talking about, you know, these very specific intensities for

hypertrophy, otherwise you're wasting your time. Well, it really depends, you know? And so the information that we have about hypertrophy of like, you know, brushing up next to failure and all these things, those things are completely irrelevant when you're new. When you're new, like everything, this is all a new stimulus. So how many sets of curls is it going to take for you to be better than you are right now when you previously don't do any curls. You know, one set, you know, one or two sets is going to start to elicit like a little bit of a response. And yes, maybe it's not enough and maybe you need to learn that. Maybe over time you start to do a little bit more. But there's time to do that And you want to give yourself time. And the time that you spend doing these things, you want the input to be really positive. You want the input of what it is that you're doing to feel good.

And you want to associate good feelings with what you're doing. And if you go in too fast and go too crazy, most likely you're going to give yourself a little bit more negative inputs. So that's kind of the way, that's kind of the way I've always viewed it. There hasn't been, I'm just trying to even really think of like, I mean, kind of like the way that I like to think about this is like, anything that you can do, about this is like anything that you can do, anything that you can do consistently just doesn't need to be that difficult in terms of like the intensity of it. It doesn't need to be that hard. Now, again, you're going to like trickle that up over time, but your body's going to go right along with it. And, you know, our bodies are, our body is like a supercomputer.

Like what you put into it, you're going to get out of it. And actually the body is actually always trying to go back to baseline. That's how weird it is. Like you train, you train, you train, you bring up your trainability. Like you're lifting, lifting, lifting, lifting. And you stop lifting. And where do you go? You go right back down to like the baseline of where you were before you run and you

bring up your endurance and you're running and running and I can run three miles. I can run nine miles. I can run 20 miles and so on. And then you stop running and it goes, it goes right back down the other side. And it will always like, uh, it will always kind of like fight for you to go back to that baseline if the inputs aren't there but when the inputs are there you'll continually get better and then also i mean in the moment everything seems a little difficult right but then when you look back it's like oh you know what that actually wasn't as bad as i made it out to be you know pretty much i'm sure that like freaking boston marathon that that was probably difficult in the moment but eventually you're going to level up and then you'll

be able to obviously beat your times but you'll be able to like comfortably run a marathon right? That's the best way to look at it right there you summed it up now see like something like a marathon is pre-set on how like on how long and how far you

have to go so you have to have in that far you have to go. So you have to have, in that case, you have to build a, in that case, you have to build a capacity that's well above and beyond what you're asked to do so you can walk away from that day and not feel completely fucked up. And, but in normal cases where you're just training yourself and you're just trying to get a little bit better, that's off the table.

There's no that's my point is that there's no there's no like hard rule. There's no preset anything. You want to, you know, you're 25 percent body fat and you want to just look better. you know, you're 25% body fat and you want to just look better, the best thing for you to do is to start to work your way towards 20%. How much effort, how much work when you haven't been doing much of that work and that hasn't been a focus of yours, how hard does it need to be? With diet, you need to go from, you know, your diet is a three on a scale of one to 10. Your diet needs to move to like a five, you know, you're, you haven't been exercising

at all and now you're going to start to walk. Um, you haven't been doing any lifting, um, and you're gonna, uh, you're going to start to implement, I don't know, lifting like twice a week. Where's your lifting need to be on a scale of one to 10, it could be like two because you don't normally lift. You don't normally walk, so you don't have to walk fast. You can just stroll. It's all, it's all these, these things are new. And, you know, to kind of get back on topic of, of what it was that we were talking about is that originally, you know, this podcast started out by us talking about you choosing the thing that you don't want to do.

And I do think that it's important to have some difficulty to some of those things because that's an extra hurdle, but that's like extra credit. And that's after you get yourself to do some of the things that you don't normally want to do when you don't normally want to do them. Strength is never a weakness. Weakness is never a strength.

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