Mark Bell's Power Project - Does It ACTUALLY Take This Long To Get Jacked? - Hamza Reaction with Obi Vincent

Episode Date: January 13, 2023

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Guys, how long does it take to get jacked? Get real jacked? I think it takes a really long time. Yeah. Yeah, I agree. You agree? Very long time. How about just jacked enough where people are like, oh, you're jacked.

Like, just like noticeably jacked. Like you've been lifting. You've been lifting. What do you think? I know everyone has different genetics, but what's the length time do you think? If you're really heavy and you got to lose weight and stuff, that might be a much longer journey because it'd take a long time to even see the muscle. But I think maybe someone could do that in maybe about three years where someone's like oh yeah

i could tell that you lift they see it in your traps in your neck and your arms maybe yeah i think the same about three yeah two to three years depends again on how much effort you're putting into your training okay be jacked by my standards though you gotta have a decade under your belt right at least yeah that means you're jack jacked by my standards, though. You got to have a decade under your belt. Right. At least. Yeah, that means you're jack-jacked. Yeah. That's what I'm talking about.

All right. So, yeah, this is a video from Hamza. We did one before, but this one seems pretty interesting. So let's get it. Jeffrey looks into his dirty mirror and he is disgusted with his body. How do I get rid of this? He says while he grabs onto his lower belly fat. But, Jeffrey, you've only been going to the gym for a couple of weeks. Have patience.

How many years have you been lifting now, Obi? It's well over a decade. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. And Mark, you're like 33 years in. Yeah. Yep.

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Picture this. I'm a 16 year old skinny fat brown kid. And I've just really, really, really gotten horny. I'm in high school and totally the girls around me and I want to actually start to date. But I look into the mirror and I don't feel attractive, particularly because I had grown up quite skinny for most of my life. And yet at this point, I'd been eating the school lunches,

the fucking disgusting Western diet, literally just eating like carbs and bread and shit, pizzas and fucking whatever. Why do they feed that shit to kids? Obi, since you're from the UK, what kind of stuff did you eat growing up? Yeah. Is the food in school different? The food we had was no we didn't you did have the option of junk food but it was actually quite balanced but obviously when we were 12 13 14 you'd always go for the chips and the burgers and you would always have in the uk we have this

thing where um chips and burgers for students was like two pounds. Okay. You know, you can buy, yeah, or fried chicken and chips for two pounds. After school, a lot of the kids will go and buy that.

That's not weight, it's the price. Yeah. Two sterling, sterling, GB sterling. Yeah. And you're trying to say

that it's inexpensive. Yes. And by chips, you mean French fries. Oh yeah. Oh right, yes. We're going to have to it's inexpensive. Yes. And by chips, you mean French fries. Oh, yeah. We're going to have to have the translation under the screen. So the correct term, yes, chips.

And so the kids would obviously go for the option of, you know, chips and fried chips. I did too in school. So he is right. In school, I ate most of the junk and usually the cake and the custard often. I used to go for seconds and I was notorious for, you know, the lunch age is always new. I will come back for seconds. Let's go.

Really are what you eat, bro. I know this is a separate topic, but you really are what you eat. Don't trust anyone who tells you you can eat whatever you want as long as you eat the right calories. It's fucking bullshit. So me and the school meals for about a year,

I gained fat and I'm 15, 16 years old and I'm kind of chubby now. I remember one day, bro, I walked into my school classroom with my friends were there and just abruptly they walked up to me and said like,

oh yeah, we've all decided like you're the fattest one now. We'll do it now with all of us. And there was a little fat kid next to me, bro. I still remember him. He was definitely fat. No, no, you are.

You've gotten really fat, Hamza. It was really embarrassing. but you know what i actually look back with gratitude because it's so interesting they said that i hated it you know i got so upset and stuff three months later i was lean again it actually changed my life being body shamed you know what on a nicer side of that when i started lifting when i was 13 the first time a girl told me oh you have a bicep was when i was 16 yeah and that was like when i was like oh yeah i'm gonna keep doing this. I liked it already.

But that like- I knew those curls are gonna pay off. Right, right. So, I mean, yeah, it's funny though, because that story, someone did say this, everyone who starts lifting always has a story why. And for me, it's so, it wasn't friends. It was a girl that she was joking-h about my weight and that was the day i was like i need to i need to do some weight so i remember everyone remembers the story of when they

decided to get jacked or get like he got leaner i lost weight i started to run to lose the weight because she made fun of my weight in a joking way and i took that personally so i also thank that girl for doing that yeah because i wouldn't yeah were you kind of like uh like just big so i was you know like chunky maybe similar to him i was just chunky i wasn't it was because you were never really fat you were like like big fat exactly so you could just tell it was chunky chunky chubby whatever you call it husky husky more skinny yeah yeah so um yeah similar story yeah you know i what you mentioned also brought back i was in eighth grade sutter middle school this one girl dominique she now had well you know i'm not gonna go i facebook I Facebooked her. I was like, all right, bitch.

Anyway, what happened was one day she was like, hey, Nsema, I'd like you to be my boyfriend. And I was just like, because no, I was too willing to talk to girls. So I was like, oh my God. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just came in your pants. Yeah, literally right there. And then a few days later, I'm getting picked up from school. And before I get picked up, my boy Austin, he was like, hey, Nsema, I got to tell you something. I'm like, what's up, man?

He's like, Dominique was dared to ask me about it. And then I was just like, wait, really? And then I talked to Dominique. She's like, yeah, yeah. They dared me too. I was like, okay, that's cool. That's cool. I played it off.

Went home. I was pissed. I cried. But I think because I was already lifting at that time. I think I did start taking it more seriously after that. That nice lady. She's going to wish she wasn't playing around. It's weird to think that people took that much time to be mean to you.

Like a whole group of people. You know what I mean? That would make me cry now if someone played me like that. I'd be upset because I'm thinking, man, they spent that much time just to try to dog me for no reason. That sucks. Kids be cruel sometimes. Kids do that sometimes kids just hurts you're a fat motherfucker bro i hope this helps you so age 17 i started weightlifting because my brother got me into it so my brother first went on a low calorie diet like literally just ate like fucking chicken and vegetables and shit

disgusting diet and he lost weight then he got me to do the same thing we were eating literally 600 calories fucking stupid bro 600 calories a day. I think that's like stunted my puberty growth. Now I've got like very skinny wrists and shit. Lost some weight and stuff. And then he's like going to the gym and watching like the old school YouTubers, fitness YouTubers, the good ones. So there was like Scooby. He watched the Hodge twins. I started watching them as well. These were like the good guys, bro. These fucking YouTubers were prime. Wait, let me put some respect. Y'all remember Scooby? Did you ever watch Scooby? no no yeah he's an og he's a big og scooby 1961 oh so that's that's probably when he

was born he's still making videos man he was making videos like how to dumbbell press like on the floor of your home and stuff as the kind of guy like this video title healthy meals for students and other busy people six-pack abs and gain muscle with good nutrition 13 years ago fucking wholesome so this was scooby my brother really liked him then i started watching him there's a couple of other guys i think athleanx was around the scene as well yeah this was like the golden era of like youtube fitness it's very shit i know you started lifting before youtube fitness because you're 35 but was there anybody like that like motivated you in that way like i said it was, I had the Arnold encyclopedia.

Yeah. That's kind of what I used because there were workouts in there and I used to just use all the workouts. And then I did Poliquin. Um, yeah. So I remember reading about it when I, um, uh, a long time ago, I can't remember how that happened. It was so random. Fucking German volume training yes yeah so and then i started to that's before i discovered oh there's youtube and i still didn't

know there were fitness people on youtube so i was watching youtube for the silly videos the pranks yeah so i didn't actually realize that people made fitness videos on youtube uh-huh yeah dude um when it comes to you did like a fuck ton of volume though right because you mentioned the arnold stuff and then gvt yeah did you ever do strength stuff like have you yeah yeah well i did because obviously you have uh periodized i didn't know it was called periodized training i just so uh in in arnold's book there was phases where you do phase one phase phase two. So we did, you do like the volume stuff for like four or five weeks and then you do the strength stuff. So I did the strength stuff because,

you know, I back in the day was very impressed with trying to lift heavy numbers. Yeah. Nowadays, not so much. So I did do that. You have to anyway, you have to lift heavier with that volume.

So people say, Oh, you don't lift heavy weight but i can bicep curl a weight that's probably someone's two three rep max for 15 reps so you know so i i didn't even realize i was strong until i'll pick up a 30 kilo dumbbell to do like 10 reps of bicep curls and someone's like are you joking but this isn't for me i thought that was not heavy i expected to do something like that yeah and then when i realized a lot of people don't do that and and then i've

realized that i did get stronger even though in my head i thought i was just doing volume training rather than strength training but because of i i went through those phases of high volume low volume without realizing i was doing periodized training. So now obviously we know the term for it. But back in the day, a lot of us didn't know the terminology for a lot of these things. Just training. Yeah, that's true. It's just interesting that you both, and me too,

the idea of cracking a book open to learn about training is so foreign for some people now because everything's on YouTube. I was just telling Andrew, I never really tried anything with lifting when i was young like i just left i just went yeah and then i developed like kind of a group of friends that i would go with i'd see him there all the time i wasn't trying to get big i wasn't trying to get strong like i did want to get like better but i didn't really know how i just but i just knew that i liked it yeah so i just kept showing up it's a nice way to do it yeah no it is fitness youtubers are just fucking disgusting people just telling you to eat fucking krispy kreme donuts and stuff but yeah

they're good people man i started watching them going to the gym training and i got more and more into the niche my brother stayed there with like oh yeah you know just like protein and stuff and he focused on other things i got way more into the niche of like the aesthetic lifestyle and i started watching like the ogs joe delaney mo samuels and i fully ingrained my personality to be a guy who was going to the gym, getting more muscular, wanting to use that to get girls and to party and everything. You know, like those are D-Gen days, but it was kind of nice when I was like 18 years old. So I've been working out now for many years, honestly, like about eight years, nine

years. If you work out hard for like nine years, you can be way bigger, way more muscular than me. Honestly, for the first like five years of my training, even though I was really into it, I just wasn't very disciplined. So I was just working out like a pussy like i'd get to like for example if i had you know 10 reps really did have 10 reps in the bank i'd get to six fuel the burn and stuff and just put the weights down and just like go on my phone for a bit so even though i really cared about the journey i didn't have the discipline and i was eating shit food and my sleep was really bad i feel like and this is like after years of lifting and i'm sure i lifted like a pussy in the beginning i

don't i block that out i don't remember it um but i kind of feel like when you get to those reps and those sets and uh it gets to be kind of painful i i oftentimes i remind myself this is exactly where i need to be this is right where i need to be how do you view that when you're training i think a lot of the times because the book I was reading, the Arnold book, I was trained to failure a lot. I didn't know it was called training to failure. I just, that's kind of what I did. And I, yeah. Like pushing pretty far past. Yeah, pushing past, you know, if it was 12 reps, I will push past that to just get that extra two. And I did a lot of, like you, I loved drop sets and supersets. Just feeling that burn.

And I did so many supersets, so many drop sets. I still do now. For me, you know, when you get to that pain, I love that. So, you know, some people, you know, like he said, once he got to that six, he will stop. Now I will be like, no, seven, eight. And there were times where I'll put the weight down and be like, no, pick it up and go again.

So for me, that's kind of what I trained for. That, the burn, you know, like, like honestly. Chasing the pump. Yeah, like chasing the pump. But like, for me, that was, that meant I was working hard. But obviously now we're learning that. You don't know, you don't have to do that all the time. You don't have to push yourself so much in that way um and you also did double

days of that right because you mentioned like you did that two times a day many times yeah two times that was og everyone used to train twice a day back then you know because we thought that that's what it that's what you do because we all wanted to be like professional bodybuilder because not realizing they that's their job and for me i just was following the people i looked up to which was the old school bodybuilders and i thought yeah two sessions a day arms in the morning back in the evening you know things like that so obviously now i'm learning there's more efficient way to train and i was young when you're young not a bad way to train it just might not be uh might not be doable in your with your lifestyle to get to the gym twice a day exactly Exactly. And plus,

if you have a job, you know, you can't do, I mean, even when I had a job, but I think when you're younger, in your 20s, you don't have that much

of a, you know, responsibility unless you're trying to be like a millionaire by 25 or something, you know, but for me,

it was just like lifting wage training and going out all the time, you know, and having fun and showing off the hard work, you know, going to the nightclub the time, you know, and having fun and showing off the hard work, you know, going to the nightclub, you know, button all the way down.

You know, because that's what we did it for. We all try and pretend we weren't trying to get jacked to be attractive to everyone else and show off, but that's what we did it for. Absolutely. One thing that I sometimes wonder is like, you know, with all this information on training that's come up the past years because of YouTube, people talk about all the smarter ways to train and staying away from failure often. But when I think back to when I was younger and when I put on a lot of my initial size, like there were days that I had a dumbbell set at home, but then there's also a gym I would go to.

So I would use the dumbbell set at home in the morning, go to school, come back home. Then a few hours later, I'd walk to the gym and go train. And that was just what I did because I was a kid with no time. And I wonder like, hmm, maybe there's a good thing to just overdoing it for a period of time when you can. Your legs are huge and they used to even be bigger. And a lot of that has to do with overtraining in soccer and now jujitsu. But it's like there's a lot of attention that was paid to training your legs and a lot of running in soccer, right? Uh-huh.

Absolutely. So if you got the time as a kid and you ain't doing shit, just overdo it. Overdo it. Overtrain. Back to your family. how's it going? Now, we like to look good in the gym and out of the gym. That's why you always see Mark and I and Andrew is stepping up on the short, short game, wearing shorts from Viore and clothes from Viore.

And honestly, the number one compliment that I've seen that I've gotten and even Mark's gotten is, damn, your butt looks good. And that's because, well, the clothes we wear make our booties look delicious. Andrew, how can they get it? Yeah, you guys both have pretty big wagons. You guys can head over to Viori.com slash Power Project. That's V-U-O-R-I.com slash Power Project to receive 20% off the most amazing apparel that looks so good inside and outside of the gym.

It's going to make your ass look fat. And your ass will look fat. Links to them down in the description as well as the podcast show notes. God damn it. That was a good one. That was a good one. It's going to make your ass look fat. Make it as much progress as possible.

But about two years ago, I just skyrocketed my discipline, really got shredded, doing gymnastic training, just eating clean as fuck, improving my sleep. And my physique changed so much in just the space of like six months. Like I've said this in just a recent video, I've created like a global movement. I've helped hundreds, maybe thousands of men. It's an awkward husband. Yeah, it's strange. It really was the first thing that I...

Props to him because like he really has inspired a lot of young men like his discord group almost has 200 000 and he makes sure it's men only in there yeah so he's really inspired a lot of young men to get at self-improvement and lift which is fucking amazing so big props to him big props to him this desire in the real world to do is the thing that got me away from video games because playing video games just seemed pointless. As soon as I realized you could level up in real life, I just became silly to be on RudeScape

leveling up my strength skill instead of just going to the gym and leveling up my IRL strength skill there. So it made me quit video games. Did you play any MMOs when you were a kid? We'll see. There's your answer. MMORPG, multi, like-

Massive multiplayer online or some shitive multiplayer Online Role playing game Like MapleStory The answer is no World of Warcraft No Did you play video games? I played video games

But it was like Wrestling Manly video games No But like That's what we So Wrestling

Like Car So Gran Turismo Gran Turismo GTA OG GTA The helicopter view yeah yeah yeah so that was my i played loads of video games i didn't do the um i actually missed that whole era of like communicating through video games and like world of warcraft and things like that i didn't i did

sims though you know like everyone you get sunk into sims for sure yeah i did sims on the pc yeah yeah you're right i spent way too much time on those old school uh wrestling games were amazing yeah were you the undertaker all the time undertaker cane i was always this sounds weird i always liked the bad guys and they were always the bad guys so of course that's kind of yeah i mean it's because you're you're from the. You guys are usually the villains. I know, right? In all the movies. Yeah, that's true. I don't know what that is. Americans just see the accent as evil.

Helped me to get girls and stop being lonely. Changed my life forever. If you're on this right now and you're wondering, how long does it take to get jacked? And, you know, without taking anything. It's hard to say because honestly, it changes very much between people. i have been totally a guy who says like you know don't think about genetics and stuff but at least for this let's just talk right

i'm not saying that you should be sat here and upset saying your genetics are bad because either way you're going to get to the same point but i have actually seen in my own eyes some people who have got seemingly good genetics or testosterone whatever it is and they make progress incredibly fast i'm talking literally six months of a guy with like pretty good genetics. He builds a more attractive physique than a guy who's put it in three years. I found personally that people of my sort of race of like Brown, Indian, Pakistan, we have like the worst muscle building genetics. Most guys who start with my sort of genetics. For anyone from there that's listening, just don't let that sink into you. I mean, you don't want to believe that about yourself if you're, if you're a Pakistani Indian, you don't want to believe that about yourself if you're if you're

pakistani indian you don't want to believe that of yourself just just fucking train give that shit time yeah i could be way off but like isn't bodybuilding huge in some of those countries produce a lot of really big monsters yeah what's uh i don't know the ethnicity of some of these guys but like what's big rami like what's he's Egyptian. Yeah, he's Arab, I think. He's brown though. Yeah, he is. He is. Yeah, no, I don't think that you can say that for too much longer.

You know what I mean? Yeah, just don't let that sink in is all. If you believe that about yourself, it could make a difference on how hard you work, you know? Literally start skinny fat, a year later, two years later, they still look kind of skinny fat. Where I found this interesting thing once that the gene variance in Africa is actually the biggest even in here we go so like

a person from nigeria is genetically more different than a person from like kenya or something like this then literally like someone from israel is to someone from america it's like the biggest cheese diversities in africa that's why you see like the four elite athletes surrounded by superheroes right now any Any thoughts, guys? Hey, what tribe are you from now? I'm Igbo. You're Igbo? I'm Ibibio.

Oh. Yeah. What's that? Ibibio? I-B-I-B-I-O? If you Google it real quick. Wow. It's not like the extreme version of Igbo.

No, the Ibibio people, like Igbos and Yorubas, they're generally, they're some of the biggest. Then there's Ibibio. My mom was from Portakur. I know that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're both from there. And they're Ibibio.

So, like, when my mom told me that, I'm like, why don't I know any other Ibibios? There's smaller Ibibio people. Yeah. Because even I know Portakur because I was born in Enugu. In where? Enugu is Igbo. That's why I said English is technically not my first language. Because it's, and I live with my grandparents for about, I half remember it.

And then I stayed with my dad and we moved to Lagos, which is kind of like London for most people who don't know what Lagos is. It's like, it isn't the capital. It's Abuja is the capital. But everyone thinks Lagos is the capital of Nigeria, which is, it's not. And Lagos is English, English, English. It's just, you know, like any other city uh so yeah Ebo is I think Yoruba is the biggest right Yoruba is the biggest yeah yeah there's also a debate though

which genetically who's who get who has the best genetics the Yorubas or the Ebo's because I thought it's the Ebo's I've seen a lot of big ebo people. Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, hopefully if you're watching this, you're probably not going to be pissed, but I feel the ebos have great genetics. I've seen a lot of ebos, guys. Even the guy that I asked about going to the gym,

he's ebo, ironically. What about some of the other Nigerian fitness people that we've seen? Are you aware of where they're from, their origin? Russell or he is both his parents are Nigerian. Sam that we've seen. Do you, are you aware of where they're from? Their origin? Russell or he is both his parents in Nigerian. Sam Okunola. Who else is Nigerian? There's an Australian guy who's quite popular. He has a braids as well.

I forgot his name. Shit. And he's, he's also really jacked. Do you have any idea if they're from similar areas as you guys are from? What about blessing? Blessing Abodibo? I think that's Ebo,

right? It sounds like it. I think it is. He probably is. Well, yeah. It's terrible. There's a lot of examples of just crazy athletes from the area and people with crazy physiques.

The youngest football player, the youngest guy to ever play in the NFL, I think played for the Bears. And he was a defensive lineman and he's Nigerian as well. So there's just example after example. So there's just like example after example, but there's some controversy about whether you're actually from Nigeria because you're Cavs, right? Yeah.

You got big Cavs too? I was not expecting that. I was like, what? You're like, controversy? I was like, what do you mean? No, I'm from there. Yeah, so traditionally, I think black guys in general don't have calves. High calf insertions.

Yeah. So I have calves. And a lot of black guys always say to me straight away, how the hell have you got calves? That's the first question. Where did you get those from? Where did you get those? I mean, also legs, actually,

because a lot of black dudes just love upper body and they just tend to neglect legs, especially in London. Because they neglect it. Yeah. In London. I mean, I'm not sure in America, you guys are huge naturally anyway. So y'all Americans are fat. You said that, not me. I just meant in general, Americans are, you know, you guys do sports. You're really into sports. Fitness is like your thing. In London, it's getting there. But a lot of the black guys in London

are jacked upper body, but a lot of people just neglect legs. And again, that's why it's a novelty. A lot of times for me, anytime I do a leg video or leg workout, a lot of people are like, whoa, you have, your legs are huge. How have you got big legs?

And I'm just like, I train them. You train them just like you would train your chest. You know, when you're looking forward to chest every week, but train them, I train legs twice. And I say that to people, they're like, oh, you know, I'm like, yeah, you have to. If you want something to grow, same with calves. I train my calves.

I train them. I train them twice a week for years, every single week without fail. And now I'm lucky because we're CrossFit, I was saying this to you, we're CrossFit because of the movements, the Olympic lifting, you know, the condition, I'm always in that flexion all the time with my calves. And I do a lot of road cycling as well, on the bike. So now I'm just training them constantly. You know, I use a perfect example. Look at ballet dancers. Look at the guys, their cars are incredible because they constantly, again, that flexion all the time.

So- Same thing with soccer players, football players. Yeah, football. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Do you have a family members that lift too? Or do- Yeah, my brother.

Yeah, my brother is, yeah, he is jacked but uh he's gonna kill me he doesn't have legs either does he train him though oh that's a good he probably does not not enough not enough but because again i always it's just you know how i say muscles you can see is what people like to train and because most people can see your chest, your biceps, your delts. A lot of people don't have, their backs are lagging and hamstrings are lagging. Because you can't see that. So they just train the muscles. Everyone always is impressed with your arms.

So people will touch your arms. People will touch your chest. They wouldn't touch your legs or your back. So now legs are becoming very popular. Because every time I do a leg video, people, it's literally, the views are crazy. The short shorts came back. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

Short shorts. I wear double XL. People think I wear short shorts on purpose. I wear a double XL. Just maxing them out. I don't purposely wear short shorts. I'm just putting that out there now. My double XL shorts are small on me too though.

But I love, my favorite shit training as a kid was back and hamstrings. I love posterior train. I don't know why, but it just felt great. And I trained it more than other things. Yeah, I love training back too. I loved, I didn't like training legs though when I started working out.

I hated it. It hurts. It just did. And I was just like, nah, I just wanted to train. But yeah, I, now I just say to people train legs like you will train your biceps how passionate you are this is a silly white guy question but did you ever have either one of you guys ever have like a little bit of a superhero moment where you recognize that maybe you're a little different genetically or is the genetic variance not that

different where you maybe haven't noticed it like but something physically where you're able to maybe mimic something physically that someone else has a hard time doing or maybe even just like gaining size or strength did you find that it came easy or easier you know superman i think uh you know has that moment where he like uh i don't know where he like realizes that he's got like these superpowers you know and then he and then he's able to like, I don't know, utilize them more and more as he goes through his life. But do you ever have like a moment like that? I don't know, that would probably quite, you probably will know more,

probably answer that better than I do, because I was very, I mean, I still call myself a lazy person, but I was very lazy growing up, so I didn't do any sports. I avoided sports. I used to write fake sick notes why I couldn't do physical education and my aunt only found out after the school was school year was over i did not used to go to the arcades there's a place called trocadero and piccadilly circus not there

anymore to play arcades when i had p yeah so i i never thought that i was you know i think if i did sports then then maybe. But when I started to lift weight, I still just thought of it as just exercise. I didn't see my physique as anything special until people told me. So I think I get what you mean, but I don't even still not till now. When people go, oh my gosh, your legs impressive. I'm like, yeah, it could be bigger. Yeah.

But I wish, I wish I could have that moment. So I don't know how you feel. You might feel the complete opposite. Well, I started training at 13 and primarily because I got Oshkod Slaughter. Oshkod Slaughter is like when you're growing quickly, like the tendons and shit in your knees can't catch up. So I had to stop playing soccer. And I got depressed, which is why I started lifting.

And I started lifting like a madman from 13 to 16 since I had no soccer. But the first day I was back on the soccer field, I was 220 pounds at that point. And when I came back to play soccer, my teammate, Tyler Maltby, who has the same birthday as me, we were going and I slide tackled him and he got pissed. He's like, fuck you and see my, you're on steroids. And that was my first ever steroid accusation. And then I was like, what, what do you mean? And I feel like that was the moment where I was like, huh, what do you mean? And I feel like that was the moment where I was like, huh, okay. I guess, I guess I am kind of big for my, for my, for my

age. So it wasn't a superhero moment, but it was the first accusation ever. I think if more people keep their eyes open, they would recognize that they have, they actually have pretty good genetics and a lot of different things. And maybe it's not the exact thing that they love. Uh, but for me, I remember lifting with my friends and I did lift, uh, more often to them when I was young, but, um, you know, I remember they could barely bench the bar and they can barely bench with tens on each side. And I was doing reps with a 95 and was able to bench like one 35 pretty easily. Just, I kind of remember like, Oh, like I'm okay. I'm like like i didn't think i was special i just thought that i was different i'm like that's different whatever that is whatever this bell gene is that i have or

whatever i got it's a little bit better than some of these guys what's the bruce willis movie yeah it reminded me a lot yeah it's like that unbreakable unbreakable yeah that's like the unbreakable scene where he keeps stacking weights for his dad and he's like that's what it felt like. I mean, it felt great, you know? And then I'm sure you guys probably have experienced this too,

like growing up and having some size and, and being kind of known and having that, uh, as like a prowess, you could, having a thing is a really wonderful thing to have as a kid rather than just, uh, I guess maybe blending in and being kind of like everybody else.

I think one thing, because as you were mentioning that, I never felt I had any, because I didn't do sports, or any kind of talent. And then when I would get people going, how has your body changed? And how do you have calves? How do you have legs? How do you do, you know, I remember I was like,

how do you do the crossfit? How do you do the crossfit so how are you so mobile and then i start to think oh okay so maybe that is a bit of a talent because this is something that has just happened to me i've had to work to look the way i do and train the way i do so sometimes i probably do overlook that um aspect and just kind of just I didn't see it as anything special until people go, how are you so mobile? How do you do some of these workouts? And so in a way, yes, because some of my friends cannot train the way I do. But you're not naturally mobile. No. It's something that you worked at. I think some people look at that, they're like, oh, wow, you're just that way. You're like, no, I've been working on this.

But maybe you naturally liked it or maybe you naturally were like not horrible at it. And then you had more encouragement to do that. Do you feel that way? Or do you feel like you were fucking horrible at certain things when you started? When I started, yeah. A lot of like the crossfit movements, I was terrible. Like, you know. Weightlifting and things like that.

Yeah. Because I was so used to bodybuilding, which is know straightforward movements and then going to complex movements and i struggled to start with but i had that mindset with the bodybuilding where it doesn't matter i i want to learn i was i'm stubborn i was like i need to i need to be good at this i need to be better yeah and i just kept learning and it was humbling having to start again. That's why I say to people, you feel like a newbie again. And with bodybuilding,

I was like, I knew what I was doing. I was on top of the world with how I looked. And then all of a sudden, I'm learning something new again. And my weights, you know, we'll do a CrossFit class

and I'm doing the scaled weights, which, you know, and the girls are doing the same weight as I am. Yeah, they're like, work out with the ladies over there. Yeah, yeah. So for me, that was, in a way, some people would have been like,

nah, I'm going to stick to what I know. But I was like, no, I want to get better at this. But I also want to be this size and still move like that. Because everybody, some people are like, you have to lose some weight. No, you have to lose weight to do some CrossFit. I was like, no, why can't I be jacked and do crossfit i want to do both so um

that's what made me actually keep pushing when people told me that uh it's going to be harder for me and i think the stubbornness in me was like nah let me do it i like that yeah in regards to like the the genetics stuff like i always pointed to like my bad genetics because I was skinny fat, but I'm Mexican and I'm six feet tall. I think I got pretty decent genetics, but even in the same household, there was some,

in the same household, my brother who was raised the exact same way, got great genetics. And it's like, okay, well, how come he got it and I didn't? It's like, well, I don't think it and I didn't? It's like, well, I don't think it was that. It was more of like the way we ate and the way we moved or didn't move. So even though it's really easy to look at you guys and be like, oh, it's either, it's always one or the other, right? It's like either they're on steroids or they got good genetics. And I

didn't get either of those. It's really easy to say that. Hamza just said it. It's like, well, we could say that, or we can change things around the way he did a couple of years ago. And all of a sudden, boom, he gets an amazing shape. So yes, genetics will play a role in a certain amount of things, but we all have enough control to, you know, really change our physiques and, you know, really make a huge difference. Yeah. And there's a skill set, right? And then there's genetics and your genetics could help you's a skill set right and then there's genetics and your genetics could help you get a skill set faster potentially uh if you just are really quick and fast maybe you'll learn jiu jitsu faster than the next person um but there's nothing that's

gonna like give you that skill set you might be able to gain it faster same thing with lifting but where you're rich in one area you might be not so rich in another where you're strong in one area you might not be so you might have a propensity to gain weight and you might be might be easy for you to get thick might be easy for you to get big but then maybe it's hard for you to shred down maybe it's hard for you to get lean so i think you know it's easy to look at like the features that everyone else has and be like man this guy's got it all yeah and then you just sit there and shit on yourself. But whatever problems he's got, he's got plenty of problems and we wouldn't really want to trade problems.

Like he's like, no, I'm good with mine. You know? So everyone's got issues. Everyone's got things that they got to work through and that might be harder than the next guy. But it doesn't mean you can't improve on all of it. Yeah. Yeah. Before we continue, Owen, edit this little edit I'm saying out.

I just realized that there's a good topic that we could talk about later about starting something new. Like you started running recently and you're getting better. You've been doing CrossFit for two and a half years. You just started jujitsu. And we didn't all really like talk about that. And I've been doing jujitsu and that was a new thing for me um i think that could actually be a good standalone podcast if you guys would want to do that yeah yeah okay i'm gonna fade it to black so

owen can definitely see that it's different and then come back all right here we go also i'm like two percent congolese i will always I will always have 2%. There you go. There's some other shit in there, but I'm only going to claim Mexican and Congolese and just roll with that. Let's go, Andrew. A unique friend of his, Kenyon,

and he went to the gym for about three months and he looked better than me than I went for about three years. He literally looked better than me. I have a course where I've taught like how to build your dream body and i see people's progress pictures i see some guys who have the same genetics as me one year in you know they're looking better and better but they're not like aesthetic they don't look amazing and i see

some other guys that show progress pictures and it seems real because i've seen them in my discord and everything for months they've literally been working out for like six months and they look better than i did like two years four years later so genetics can definitely play a part but if i had to give you just a very random time scale, I'd say by around two to three years, you should be that muscular guy, two to three years. If you're not seen as like the muscular guy, if you don't have like a good amount of muscle,

where like people are like, whoa, you know, if you're like flexing, someone will be like, whoa, it means you've been doing something totally wrong. And you need to accept this. I found that bodybuilding is such a beautiful journey because if you've been bullshitting yourself, it will show. Just like you said about the calves. Yeah, the legs. Yeah. If've been bullshitting yourself it will show just like you said about the calves yeah the legs yeah if you don't work it

yeah exactly genetics and stuff but your rate of muscle growth is your own personal journey so you you know after a couple of months you know if your rate is fast or slow and then after that if you had slow growth and three years in you don't even look good it's because you've been bullshitting yourself and you must accept this is maybe you've been working out like a pussy maybe you've just been a fucking he's talking about looking good and i think uh the words would be just looking better like you should you know what i'm saying like because each person's coming from a different thing exactly so you should be looking better and better and better over time yeah i know that's what he probably means but i'm just trying to clarify and maybe you just like like i used to just put the weight down even though

you're not even close to failure maybe you've just been missing too many days because you say you're busy maybe you've been sleeping like a dumbass you need to accept these things i wish someone told me this when i was younger i wish you know someone who's more into this just told me like you know in university like hey you say that this is the most important thing of your life why the fuck are you staying up to like 4 a.m party and then dumbass you know you're not invincible i wish someone told me that back in the day obviously it's kind of common sense but like i didn't think about it when i was like you know going out party and taking drugs drinking alcohol and stuff eating

shit food i wish someone sat down and said like you do realize this shit food this sugar and stuff that you're eating it's just gonna gain body fat and no muscle at all why don't you just go and eat chicken and rice every day you need to figure out what right now what's holding you back i don't think he would have listened to that information maybe not him and personally like maybe he would have yeah but i think a lot of individuals wouldn't listen to the information and i think it's because i think that you have to like, you have to go through the journey. And I also think that you have to make yourself into something before you can make bolder decisions in the right direction.

So like the stronger and better that you feel about yourself, the more confident you feel about yourself, the more confident you are in saying, I'm not fucking going out. Because when you're going out and eating pizza with your friends and going to nightclubs and doing drugs and stuff that's you trying to get accepted into something else yeah whereas you'd be like i don't need that but you kind of already have to be somebody to be a person that's gonna say i ain't doing that because i got jiu-jitsu practice tomorrow i'm not doing that because i gotta run tomorrow morning yeah i agree because you will remember, we're all teenagers, right?

18, 19 is when you're in university. You want to impress your friends. And I got that when I was in my 20s, when I was doing shows and everyone said, oh, you need to get a life eating chicken and rice and not going out and not drinking. And imagine if you're 18 and 19 saying that, you wouldn't have any friends because you'll be seen as uncool. So you're 18 and 19 saying that you're you know you wouldn't have any friends because you'll be seen as uncool so you're right if someone did tell him that he wouldn't have

listened i i mean probably he i mean i don't know but most teenagers wouldn't imagine telling a teenager not to go out with friends not to eat you know we call it junk but we all think when we're young we're invincible right it's that same teenager won a bodybuilding show and was doing pretty good in bodybuilding already yeah they might go you know what you're right exactly so if they were already kind of had achievements or already had a little bit under their belt they're already pretty strong or something like that then you would say ah shit man i should probably take that guy's advice because i'm close to being able to do something with exactly but in uni the especially the first year it's all about going out drinking

a lot yeah like I said taking loads of drugs and having fun and imagine telling that to a 19 year old you know maybe don't do that not stop but don't do that as much maybe don't play too many video games and I can remember someone told me not to play video games and eat rice and chicken and not the pizza and ice cream that i was eating all the time i would you know i would never listen anyway i thought you were crazy because that was what i enjoyed so yeah one thing there too is that like it might be beneficial if a younger person is listening to this let's say that you're like oh but all my friends already do that they drink they're not paying attention to all that shit.

That's when you might want to try to find a different group of people. If you can put yourself in a setting, get yourself in a super training gyms free. So you can find some people here or anywhere where like people are kind of doing the things that you'd like to do and emulate. Cause if you're around those people,

you're going to get better just by the law of being around those types of people. So it makes a difference. Yeah. Yeah. I wish I could go back and understand that the friends that I'm hanging out with, I'm not going to hang out with for very long. And the fun nights I have will not come anywhere close to the fun I have in the gym. So it's like, but yeah, if somebody told me that I wouldn't have listened. But so that's why I wish I can just somehow understand that at a younger age. Everybody needs a friend like Josh Setledge. You know, you find someone that wakes up at fucking four in the morning

and has a burning desire to get after it every day. Absolutely. And then you just try to follow along with him as best you can. Two to three years, you should be muscular. You should show a really, really good amount of muscle to the point that like everyone around you can tell that you work out there's two big mistakes that i made that honestly have slowed my progress down by about two to three years and it probably is doing it to you because like no one actually like made this so clear to me number one cutting too much losing too much body weight and like wanting to like you know be in a calorie

deficit wanting to be lean to begin with you need to build it's the whole point of like bodybuilding of building muscle is that you should bulk you should eat more calories good calories not bullshit but like you know not you mentioned that on the podcast that we just did yeah absolutely but i think a lot of people i still get questions about that how do i get bigger by wanting to still have six-pack abs and i'm just like do you want the good news or the bad news or even worse news and usually you know everybody know, everybody wants to, oh yeah, I can, because they see me and sometimes I put on some weight, but I still have some abs. And they're like, oh, but I want to do, I'm like, yeah, I've been training for 10 years. I've gone through that bulking phase of, I had, I didn't have abs.

I had to put, I had to eat, I had to eat, you know, consume the calories. I had to put, I had to eat, I had to eat, you know, consume the calories. Like you said, not junk, because I made that mistake when I first started to bulk of just junk food, junk food constantly. And now I wouldn't, you know, I wouldn't do that. It's just finding the balance, you know, but yeah, everyone wants to, what's it called? Lean bulk. That's the word. If you're a hard gainer, you're naturally slim.

Lean bulking is, I don't know how to explain this, but it's just counterproductive. You're fighting against yourself. You know, you're trying to stay shredded, but you're trying to add weight, but you're naturally slim. How does that make sense? You need an amount of calorie surplus that is registering in you, probably gaining at least a little bit of body fat. Yeah. I mean, it just happens, but I think a lot of people are scared to put to gain that extra fat right because everyone wants to be beach body ready as they said so um luckily i wasn't even though we had social social media was starting to take off i luckily i wasn't i didn't have to post instagram pictures because instagram wasn't around till later on

i didn't have that pressure of selfies and aesthetic pictures and yeah you know Instagram wasn't around till later on. I didn't have that pressure of selfies and aesthetic pictures. And, you know, I wasn't vlogging, so I could cover up my, you know, my nun six pack, you know, stomach. I could hide that. I can hide all of that and just bolt. I remember my best friend used to, um, say to me, yes, when he knew when I was body building my face, I was like, I just looked, he was like, I didn't say anything,

but it's super training videos. Yeah. It's you look so much healthier now, but it's just because of, I was, I went to the extreme of like, gosh. Yeah.

And I was one of those, I'm walking around like this and eyes are halfway shut. Yeah. Yeah. Oh man. Yeah. Oh, what about the cutting too much? Yeah. I remember when i was in high school i've talked

about this before but i think i was like six it was when i was 16 because i was trying to cut because i got really heavy so i went on this thousand calorie diet for like on week two i almost fainted in class because i was like oh okay this diet's a little bit too hard and what did you weigh at 16? I was 220. Okay. Yeah, but that was because I was only lifting. But when I started playing soccer again, the soccer helped me drop body fat and whatever.

But even as I got older, there were phases where I was like, I need to gain muscle. So I just had to let myself gain weight. I had to let the body fat come on. I couldn't have all the veins I usually had. You have to be okay with having some body fat, but that's why now I can maintain this weight perpetually because I did have the time of bulking and being bigger. If I didn't have that, I wouldn't be able to have this. You're around 240-ish?

250 every day. 250, and then he's at what, 252 or something? 252. And I'm off the team because I'm like only 225 nowadays, so I'm out. What was your heaviest? 330. My heaviest is 270. Yeah, we were on heavy after.

There's a picture at ST when you were like three something and I was 270 and our faces are beautiful. We're beautiful. Yeah. Very full. The football face. Yeah. Yeah.

Fill out the entire football helmet. Yeah. Yeah. Jesus Christ. But like fucking chicken and rice and stuff, you need to eat more calories of that to gain weight. You're probably not making muscle in a calorie deficit, honestly. Like pushing, progressive overload, getting an extra rep or an extra increase in weight is so difficult even on

a bulk never mind on a calorie deficit i wasted so many years of my life just trying to get like lean before i even had the muscle to you know really show it off but actually the worst mistake that i made even just recently even for the most of the last year is such a silly one that no one really spoke about because all these dickhead fitness youtubers have been doing it wrong i was training like a weightlifter like a powerlifter instead of a bodybuilder every fitness youtuber video you've seen says the same thing don't they every single one of them just a fucking copy paste on there oh heavy compound lifts bodybuilding all these dickhead fitness youtubers telling you like heavy compound don't do isolation exercise why would you waste your time doing curls because you want to build biceps how do you feel about this obby this is actually i used to get a lot of questions going you never

hit lift heavy why don't you ever lift heavy why don't you what's your one rep max squats deadlift bench and it got to the point i do this now past two three years when someone asked me i'm like i have no idea even if i know i don't tell people yeah and a lot of times when people ask me this i'm like well why do you want to know this information you know how does this change your training how does this change what you do but a lot of times guys ask you this because they want to feel good about themselves because you know if you go oh my my biggest bench is i don't know 100 kilos they'll be like oh yeah well i can bench 115 i, cool, but my chest is bigger than you. So I-

And then you're like, I don't know. I never tried it. Let me try it. You try it and you could probably do it. That's the other thing. It's just for me, it's like I was bodybuilding. So for me, I'm trying to build muscle, not be the strongest in the gym.

But he's right. A lot of the videos nowadays is everyone trying to bench ridiculous numbers and literally ridiculous numbers. And some people say to me, you don't really squat that heavy. I've noticed you don't squat that heavy. And I'm like, cool, but my legs are bigger than yours.

And that's what I want. I want to build muscle. I'm training to build muscle. I do a lot of tempo training. So I always have a joke about my training looks so boring it's not glamorous because it's tempo work point out that your legs aren't you know some people will be like well you're not functional but you're cycling and do you're doing things with your legs and your mobility and your strength in compromised positions

is really good i mean yeah so even I, I don't go for one rep maxes, you know, certain way I train, um, if people don't know who I am and they just see my picture for the first time, they usually would have, oh yeah, it's just another like stereotypical until they go on. I always get this when people go on my page and they look at my training and they're like, oh my gosh, how'd you train like that i was they were not expecting you know if they've seen the aesthetic pictures on the google images and stuff so um i do lift heavy but with a purpose i'm not just training because i want to be the strongest in the gym i want to build muscle so that's where he's right and a lot of a lot of i wouldn't say all fitness advice but a lot of it is you know bench deadlift you know

squats sometimes i would i some of my popular videos uh uh limited equipment training yeah you know so some of my popular videos are kettlebell training so that's another uh so functional training is something that uh people laugh at but you know i always say with kettlebell training i love kettlebell training because it does humble a lot of people because they go oh it looks silly like i said before i used to think it was silly and then i'll be like here here's a 32 kilo kettlebell throw this around and then most people are like what do a kettlebell snatch that's always one i use and people get lost how are you because obviously they don't it's hard to do yeah but you need a lot of strength to do a kettlebell 32 kilos i noticed you guys have 90 i was shocked it doesn't 90 kilo who lifts that but you know i'm

impressed that you have kettlebells that weigh that heavy but my my goal is to change people's perception of strength and trying to be um in terms of fitness and how they approach fitness and also with training stop looking at it as bench press deadlifts and squats yes those are fundamentals but yet like he said there's the bicycle this cable we're just talking about uh i know was you yeah we're talking about cables yeah cable machines and again people see those as secondary so every time you see someone's workout program nine out of ten will be, you know, the bench, squats, deadlift, and maybe bicep curls will be primary.

And then they'll put the other stuff as, you know, oh, we'll do that afterwards. Accessory movements. Accessory movements. You know, so try and trying to change people's perception of how they should lift is probably one of the hardest when 90% of fitness advice is telling them the opposite. That's what I found anyway. You could build everything you ever needed with

just one of those cable stations. Yeah. I mean, you can get big. And then also you could do a little bit of body weight exercises. I think, you know, he nailed it right on the head, even though I'm a power lifter, but you know, my background is in power even though i'm a power lifter but you know my background is in power lifting i was a power lifter so i did power lifting things where bench squat and deadlift were like the hierarchy of my training and a lot of things centered around that and i was always trying to drive those numbers upward and that's where i think those lifts can be really beneficial right uh if someone can do so in a safe way but it's so hard to do in a safe way it's almost like it reminds me a safe way. It's almost like, it reminds me of if it fits your macros,

like good luck trying to sneak a cupcake in there. Cause you're going to eat like 10 of them. Good luck trying to like mix a little heavy training into your diet of lifting because you're probably going to overdose yourself with it. You're probably going to just get too excited about it and want to lift too heavy as we were talking about in the gym. And it's really rare for someone to do that on a machine it's really rare for someone you can do it but i've never really seen anyone like overload the cables i mean i guess i've seen people do it on like a

lat pull down and they'll try like one rep and they move around all weird and they're like no that's way too heavy for me and they change it they like learn right away but for some reason on a bench squat and deadlift, someone's form goes to shit. They bend over a lot and round the lower back quite a bit. And they just try for rep two, three, four, and five. And you're like, I don't know what I'm watching right now.

The guy's going to totally hurt himself. If you get hurt, you got to remember you're reduced to nothing. But imagine if your first two years out of the gate, you didn't get hurt at all. And if you follow what he's talking about right there, I think that's the kind of magic ticket is to stay healthy. And, you know, from what you mentioned earlier, Obi, like you can curl weights that are guys two to three rep maxes. But through your training through the years, you were just focusing on volume, increasing the reps.

And naturally, you just got way stronger. It took more time maybe than the person who's focusing on the one rep max. But you're now like if you wanted to do your hand at powerlifting, you'd be very strong very quickly because you have a base of muscle to go off of. Yeah. Right. But it's also, you know, when we tell people to track their weights and their training. So, you know, some people I find would do you give them an exercise say you know let's say bench press three times five and you know what will happen they'll do the same weight you know five times and without having

that skill to think okay if I've done five reps twice with that weight I should probably try and take that weight up right but they see three times five and they think three times five you know so sometimes it's teaching people that training to failure sometimes is a good thing but also learning to analyze that if you've done the weight quite easily on that on the five different sets you should probably take that weight up so I always get people say oh I feel like I'm not progressing I'm not getting stronger or they say to me I'm really strong and I'm like my bench is really impressive but i'm not growing and i'm like well why do you think that is what is your training program like

when was the last time you changed it some people one of my friends said to me oh i've been doing the same program for about two three years i'm like dude seriously yeah but my chest isn't growing i was like well that means you don't watch my videos now you watch my videos I teach you how to do that but yeah some people would rather do the same program same training because that's what they've seen and watched and heard rather than being because some of us are lucky we use intuition but unfortunately with social media now people just watch take notes and do exactly what they've been told. But a lot of the advice sometimes I say on my channel is this worked for me. And yes, science says this works,

but sometimes we're all different. So you might have to adapt certain things, learn to adapt yourself. But if you're not tracking, if you are doing the same thing over and over again, and I would say to someone, what's your 10-minute max on a bench press? They know they're two,

they know they're five, they know they're one. They can't tell you they're 10. I know my 10, but they can't tell you. And then that to me says to, when I give them advice, it says to me that,

right, you need to now start tracking even those numbers, not just the one that makes your ego feel good. Yeah. You know? Yeah, I love that. Paparazzi family, how's your family? How's it going?

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obviously they must be right hamza's wrong you can take their advice and if you see good progress fine but i'm telling you right now what you you want, if you watch this video, is hypertrophy. What you want is just muscle gain, right? Muscle gain is very little and just low ROI. If you're doing heavy sets of like two, three, four, five, six, seven, even eight reps. You know, you've always heard like the rep ranges, one to five is like strength and shit. Eight is hypertrophy, bro. I found you'll get the best gains of your life if you do more than 10 reps. to like 15 10 to 20 is the best range for building muscle because it's light enough that you really get the fucking good squeeze if all these guys saying oh yeah do heavy squats just do five times five do three reps squats bro you're not going to build much muscle from that it's entirely

fatiguing you're more likely to get injuries which if you've got good form find all that void but like you know over an entire year of training if you're lifting three reps or five reps you probably are going to get one kind of injury. If you're doing bodybuilder training, probably not. How do you feel about that? How do you feel about that rep range that caught me? He's right in terms of the rep. That's why I said the five reps, because that's so notorious that everyone just five reps, five reps. That's how you get big. Yeah. And when I was doing volume, it was yeah, 12 to 15. Yeah. I was doing crazy volume sometimes.

Like I said, drop sets, super sets, quadruple sets. And I remember my first leg video. I got in trouble for this. A lot of people go, who's got time to train for three hours? Because this was my, I was learning to do fitness videos. And I naively did how I train legs but because i had time right and it's a three-hour workout it was the warm-up was i didn't realize my warm-ups were quite long and so when i did the full video some people like who's got time to do all of this and

it was a lot of volume and because that was how i was used to training before I was doing CrossFit. So I was doing bodybuilder style. And it was, like he said, about 12 to 15 reps. But I did a lot of drop sets, a lot of supersets. I still do that now. But obviously, it's slightly different because the more I've learned how to scale and adapt. But he's right. In terms of injuries, yes, a lot of us get injuries a lot of times when we are doing heavy lifting with bad form. It's just true.

If you're doing 15 reps, you're less likely to be injured because the weight's not going to be heavy enough anyway. So, he's right, but I think you need to find the balance. You know,

so, doing 12 to 15 all the time, I wouldn't, nowadays, I wouldn't advise that. I would say to you, find a periodization, but find a nice balance

of some low volume and some high volume. Yeah. You know, say to you, find a periodization, but find a nice balance of some low volume and some high volume. There's always, there should be a, going from one extreme to the other isn't necessarily also a good thing because some people, if you say to people, do 15 reps, they wouldn't, again, have that knowledge of,

okay, if I'm doing more than 15, I need to probably go up a weight. So they will just keep doing lightweight and then do that for a year and nothing happens yeah so it's uh making sure that you learn to a track your numbers and also take the weight increase the weight even i always say to when i used to train clients and when i do my videos i say to people even if it's one kilo heavier that's still something so if you've done the first set and you're like yeah that was that wasn't too bad take the weight even it's one kilo heavier that's still something so if you've done the first set and you're like yeah that was that wasn't too bad take the weight even it's a kilo up even if you fail at 13 reps and

you're supposed to be doing 15 that's fine but a lot of times people um especially if you're new to the gym wouldn't understand how to do that so i wish a lot more fitness people did share that certain, it's good to fail. It doesn't have to be fail at 15. It doesn't have to be fail at 12. Failing at two reps less than you're supposed to, that's still fine too, but also progressive overload. That's one of the most important aspects

that I think a lot of newbies don't learn until it's two, three years into the training. And then they say, oh, anyone who's bigger than them, it can't be possible because I've been training for two years and I'm not as big as this person, which is usually what you get because they don't get the results. There's a lot of ways to do it. And I think people just going heavy here and there,

I think is a good idea. Five reps, six reps, maybe three reps. But I'd also just like, if you've gotten hurt on an exercise before, just get rid of it for a while. You know, maybe it's not for you. Maybe it's an exercise that you have to do lighter for a while until your form is better. But we all know the culprits. We know the major exercises that we've hurt ourselves on. And how many times you've gone back to those and you're like, I got hurt again. I can't believe it. I got hurt again. Well, believe it. You got hurt on it and you're probably going to get hurt on it again. So, you know, get rid of that exercise or do it

slightly differently or try to research it or whatever. But I do think you can safely find exercises that you can lift really heavy in. And something that comes to mind is like a tricep pushdown, a lat pulldown, or even a pull-up. Like a pull-up might be so challenging to somebody that they can only do five to three reps or something. So that's a pretty good intensity that you have with that exercise. Other exercises would be like any machines, maybe hammer strength exercises. Just where you hit like one set, you know, for a set of five, set of six, just to kind of see how that feels for you. And I think it will end up being just a slightly different training regimen.

But you were mentioning, which I think is really fascinating, is drop sets. Because you don't really hear people talk about 30 reps and 50 reps and stuff like that. And when you do a drop set, kind of all hell breaks loose. And sometimes you do a drop and another drop. And it's like, well, now we're talking about 45 to 60 reps and no you don't really hear that talked about that much but yeah those are interesting and really effective training methods as well yeah i love drop sets there's an aspect of this progressive overload though that i think like would be really beneficial for the person who let's say you've been doing 10 to 15 forever and you're like, I want to start improving other things.

If you start to do fives, if you start to do heavier training here and there, the one thing I think you should keep in mind is when you do heavier lifts, those heavier lifts should look like your lighter lifts. Yes. Because if they're heavier, right? But they're, like you mentioned, tempo,

you're controlling the tempo and then you're done at five and then you put it back, right? You're not you mentioned tempo you're controlling the tempo and then you're done at five and then you put it back right you're not going to injure yourself because that was obviously a load that you have control over but what happens when guys start to lift heavier is they get excited yeah yeah it doesn't look good i think it was ed cone who you always mentioned has said that if you a heavy single should not look that difficult. It should look like when you were doing reps, it might be slower,

but the control and the form of that movement should still look good. And if it doesn't, you're not using a load that you can actually use responsibly. Yeah. Yeah. I think Ed Cohn said something to the effect of, uh, I never missed a weight in the gym and I only maxed out on the platform.

Like wild. You're like, wait, what? Like, I don't know how true that is, but it's mind boggling. Charles Poliquin also was the one that said your last rep of your last set should look like the first rep of your first set. So that's just your form and technique

got to be locked in. Yeah. Online, oh, you're not really training if you're not doing heavyweights. Tell those same fat powerlifters to do a 15 rep set of squats go on if you think you're disciplined bro you think you're disciplined because you can lift heavy weights you can go on rep deadlift bro doing a one rep isn't actually hard because you can just hit it i mean you hit it or you don't hit it it's simple right it's not actually that difficult you know what's actually difficult go and do

a 30 reps if you want to train your discipline go and do a 20 to 30 rep set of something and now let's see how disciplined your mind actually is do one set of 30 reps of lateral raises of light weights till the point that you're fucking like weirdly fucking like shaking like this and you'll realize that all those like heavy weight sets that you did were just fucking coke if i could go back now i'll tell you you're a bodybuilder not a weightlifter do not watch any of these dickheads online that are telling you heavy compound lifts i tell them lift but within the 10 to 20 rep range for every exercise including compound like you should do some you know big compound movements squat and bench and stuff that's still nice of

course but don't do them for three reps don't do them you don't need to like increase your strength if you're a bodybuilder it doesn't like there's no need if you just care about you're lifting the weight and it's kind of fun for what's that well what do you think i don't really agree with that i think you should be strong just because, as well as if you're bodybuilding. And plus, there is no way you won't be getting stronger if you are periodizing and doing progressive overload. Yeah.

There is no way. So I think, yes, you're not a power lifter, of course, but you should definitely still be somewhat strong when you do bodybuilding he's also talking about getting bigger so if you're going to get bigger you're going to be stronger yeah yeah so you know the the weight you start with let's say you're doing shoulder presses 10 reps max and you're doing 30 kilos in a year's time you should be doing you know 50 kilos of 10 rep max you're stronger if you are if you. So I think, yeah, you can be strong and do bodybuilding training.

Some bodybuilders are as strong as anything. Very strong. He also won't get stronger over time forever as well. Exactly. Things change as you get older and all kinds of things. Yeah, yeah, yeah. With what he's mentioning, I do get it. Like when you're young and you're looking at social media,

you see the super strong powerlifters, and that's where you want to be now. So then you're so hyper focused on just lifting heavy, heavy, heavy that you forget that the form and the volume and slow progressive overwords thing that matters. So I feel like that's why he's maybe making it so simple of like, don't focus on being strong. Even though we know from doing this for more than a decade, all of us that you do want to actually get stronger. Getting strong is going to be a good thing for you in the long run. Although it may not be your primary focus, the weight on the bar. But over time,

yeah, y'all motherfuckers want to be strong. Maybe after we get through with this, maybe you can pull up that Kai Green clip where he says, I'm not a weightlifter. Yes. Yeah. Kai Green was probably another person that inspired my training.

Yeah. Just, just watching him use really lightweight and just, yeah. And you would think he's strong, very strong. Yeah. Oh five on the incline. Yeah.

But when you see, you see him using lightweight and you're like, no, and then you try and copy that same exercise, doing the same rep ranges. You're like, Whoa. Yeah.

Yeah. You're right today because you want to be like a mini bodybuilder, you don't want to be a massive steroid one, but you know, you just want to build a good fit. You don't need to be strong for it. Strength and muscle are two different things. There's been studies that show they are correlated. Yeah, of course they are.

But correlation does not mean causation. Training in the five rep range is not going to build anywhere near as much muscle as training in the 10 to 15 rep range. Simple as that. I just wanted to be more attractive, bro. I was tired of being lonely. I wanted to get girls.

And so I started eventually going to the right workout routines which i'll link in the description if you do want to see them there's seven free workout routines link in the description go click that right now i actually built a body now that i'm proud of how long does it take about two to five years to be jacked yeah that was that was that was good did you ever read baki no oh the anime i watched it you watched it yeah i watched yeah yeah that was hanma i mean it's crazy though like i fucking love that anime it would give you the buddy this morphia on a different level like type in baki real quick and like the characters are outrageous and i remember someone say it was funny he's like this dude is like one of the backy characters and i was laughing they call you biscuit oliver yeah that black guy yeah he's like this dude is like a real

barky character type in biscuit oliver b-u-s-c-i-t or b-i-s-c-u-i-t ridiculously jacked yeah right there yeah they're all disgustingly jacked. Yeah. It's that big ass butt. What? Hopefully this will get done. Yeah. It's like, it's a martial arts anime and they're all just like super muscled. Yeah.

It's, it's pretty wild. Yeah. It's going to be everyone's avatar singing. Yeah. Yeah.

There we go. Oh my God. Yeah. They're going to just kick him. Yeah. Yeah. There we go. Oh my God. Yeah. Look at him. Yeah. You got the hair. It's in like bodybuilding tights. Yep.

Yeah. I've never heard a sound like that. Impossible. Oh, it was a good video though. That was great. Great information. Andrew,

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Obi where can people find you and guys we just did a podcast with Obi also it's on the channel and on all podcast platforms check it out

but Obi where can people find you Instagram Obi underscore Vincent YouTube Obi Vincent TikTok Obi Vincent what do you got to say about like a rest interval

like have you always tried to work out you know kind of set after set pretty quick get get from one thing to the next or do you just take your time i think it depends on how i structure the workout so what about when you're young like just to gain when i was young i didn't utilize rest properly like 60 seconds and sometimes i was bored i was like 60 seconds too long and i think that was helpful or wasn't good now i know for sure, you know, if I'm doing like the strength phase of my training,

three minutes and that's good enough time to rest. I usually with bodybuilding side, on average we'll go for 90 seconds. But compared to before where it was, yeah, I was impatient. I was like, no, I want to. But it's kind of important to be like tethered to the exercise that you're doing

and to be focused and not spend four or five minutes on your phone exactly 90 seconds yeah you know every two minutes or something like that right yes exactly yeah for sure i'm at mark smelly bell strength is never a weakness weakness never strength catch you guys later