Mark Bell's Power Project - EP. 332 - Paige Mills

Episode Date: February 19, 2020

Paige Mills is a Australian competitive athlete in strongman and powerlifting, avid motorcyclist, fitness model, and a strength coach. She is a full time Registered Nurse and opened up her own gym in a shipping container called 40 ft. Strong. Subscribe to the Podcast on on Platforms! ➢ https://lnk.to/PowerProjectPodcast Visit our sponsors: ➢Icon Meals: http://iconmeals.com/ Use Code "POWERPROJECT" for 10% off ➢Piedmontese Beef: https://www.piedmontese.com/ Use Code "POWERPROJECT" at checkout for 25% off your order plus FREE 2-Day Shipping on orders of $99 ➢Perfect Keto: http://perfectketo.com/powerproject Use Code "POWERPROJECT10" at checkout for $10 off $40 or more! ➢SHOP NOW: https://markbellslingshot.com/ Enter Discount code, "POWERPROJECT" at checkout and receive 15% off all Sling Shots Follow Mark Bell's Power Project Podcast ➢ Insta: https://www.instagram.com/markbellspowerproject ➢ https://www.facebook.com/markbellspowerproject ➢ Twitter: https://twitter.com/mbpowerproject ➢ LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/powerproject/ ➢ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/markbellspowerproject ➢TikTok: http://bit.ly/pptiktok FOLLOW Mark Bell ➢ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/marksmellybell ➢ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/MarkBellSuperTraining ➢ Twitter: https://twitter.com/marksmellybell ➢ Snapchat: marksmellybell ➢Mark Bell's Daily Workouts, Nutrition and More: https://www.markbell.com/ Follow Nsima Inyang ➢ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nsimainyang/ Podcast Produced by Andrew Zaragoza ➢ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/iamandrewz

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Yeah, you got to make stuff up because you have like an Indian on there. Yeah. It's all kind of like Native American themed, which isn't my heritage, but I just really liked Western movies when I was a kid and I just liked the culture, I guess. They have that kind of stuff in Australia? Movies? Yeah, we got that. Oh, yeah?

Yeah. Can I see your forearm real quick? I mean, like other side. Oh, yeah. I was wondering, who is she? Everybody asks me if that's me and I'm like, I'm vain. I'm not that vain. I don't have myself tattooed on my arm. Okay. Wow.

Who is it? Just a computer-generated image, apparently. Just random? You just woke up one day with these. This is what happened, isn't it? Do you have tattoos anywhere else? I got, like, a real white girl one on my back. Like a dream catcher. What does it say? Starbucks?

It's not like a dolphin. It's not that white girl. Yeah. Oh, shit. And then my first one is this one on my finger. Oh, an anchor. A little anchor. And I just got off a cruise ship and I had like 10 hours to burn before my flight.

So I got really drunk and a group of people I just met were like, let's all get matching tattoos. Nobody else got the tattoos. You were the only one yeah i got burned it's still it's a great story i think andrew also has one on his finger too yeah is that right yeah it says uh well it's queso so cheese in spanish because i'm a photographer ah gotcha say cheese hey you did a good job with our workout today thank you you uh worked me hard yeah doing some squats and doing some good mornings and then we finished up with some boxing. Yeah, it was fun.

It was cool, man. It was something different. Have you done like chain squats and things like that before? No, I haven't. I feel like I've done lots of variations, but I haven't done hardly anything with chains. I think my gym is like a little awkward. Like I haven't seen those canvas straps you have with the D-rings on them. It's just like a little awkward to set up squats where I train. How'd you get into lifting? I wanted to look good naked, I guess.

And I think also like previously I'd had like laboring jobs. And then when I went to studying and being at uni, I was sitting down all the time and I had like energy to burn. You know, at the end of the day I wanted to like move. And so I started lifting weights. But I actually tried CrossFit first and I hated it. And I hated the running. And I really just felt like if I wanted to be a fit person who was like healthy and in shape I had to do some sort of running a lot of people don't show up on those days like CrossFit boxes yeah right when they hear get wind that like they're going to be running

they just don't they don't go yeah and so they stop publishing like if it's a primarily running they won't publish the what on the internet it's like I know what you're doing I'm not coming if it's not up there so what was your job before that was super active? I was like a builder's laborer for some time and like just lots of like laboring trade kind of jobs. I was doing like, I had a business when I was a kid doing like maintenance on farms and things like that. You had that business? That was you? Yeah. Like I had two people working for me when I was 11, which is wild, but I was picking up horse shit first, which might be where my poo obsession came from that we'll touch on later. Oh, I can't wait.

I can't wait. But yeah, I was doing that. And then it sort of switched to farm work and then building work. And I've got all the licenses in the world for earth moving equipment and trucks. And I think I have like 11 licenses or something. It's my little flex. Wow. Did your parents like, what did they do?

Did they encourage you into all this or what was the deal there? Kind of. My dad has like one machine and a truck and he, that's his job. But I don't know. I just was always like a massive tomboy and I just liked heavy machinery. I just thought it was badass, you know. But I think it's kind of like the same in terms of like the type of training that I've chosen is very a male dominated way of training. I like training chest and I like

heavy deadlifts and not so much a booty workout girl. Is that where your love for motorcycles came from too? Because you're just kind of like into some of these machines? Yeah, maybe actually. I hadn't really thought about it. I did have a little dirt bike on our like hobby farm as a kid i rode it around a little i use it for transport to get to work and everything um but i think it was more like i remember when i was a kid saying like when i'm older i want to have a motorbike just so i can wear like the sexy leathers like they look sexy now i have a motorbike and i never wear leathers didn't realize you could just wear those anyway. Yeah, that's right. Yeah.

So when you started lifting, tell us about that. You said you started with CrossFit and I guess what was the journey into powerlifting? How did you find yourself there? So there was like a gap. Like I kind of gave up. I was like, well, I don't like CrossFit. Maybe I'm just not supposed to be a fit person or a strong person or whatever. And then I was chatting to someone who was like an ex bodybuilder and they said, well, why don't you just not do the running part?

I'm like, what do you mean? What's left? And they're like, why don't you just lift weights? I was like, oh, wild idea. I'll give it a crack. So I just went online and just Googled bodybuilding workout and followed the same program for so long. But I saw some gains.

I just did four sets of 12 of everything because I thought that's all that anyone did. So that's like a really big base of strength to be doing four sets of 12. I was squatting like two or three times a week, four sets of 12 of everything because I thought that's all that anyone did. So that's like a really big base of strength to be doing four sets of 12. I was squatting like two or three times a week, four sets of 12. And this is when like you started with that. Like when you started, you were doing that. Yeah, right at the start. Yeah.

Yeah, wow. Yeah, it's a great way to start though because like you just don't know any better. Yeah. And you're just like, oh, I think you're just supposed to be this sore. Yeah, yeah. It's just the way it is. And your body will adapt to it. You'll get used to it.

You know, when we did the, today we did the lift through it stuff with you, the commercial that we shot. I really love the stuff that you shared with us kind of along those lines of, you know, developing some like body image issues and stuff like that. And when you were starting out, when you were first lifting, did you have any of that or did that develop later on? No, I think it developed later on. I think as soon as I started lifting weights, I walked into the gym, like wanting to like lose weight and wanting to like look better. And as soon as I started, like as soon as I had my first pump, I was like, I want to be jacked as fuck. Like I just want to be, I would rather be shockingly big than attractively toned. Like I would rather people be like, well, it's a bit much, you know?

And so that was just the goal straight away. I just wanted to be huge, basically. It's hard to get big. Yeah, I know. Look at me. I've been trying for a long time and I'm tiny. It's hard to even like eat enough. I sent Andrew a video this morning of, you you know it's just like these uh jacked

freaking bodybuilders shoveling down tons and tons of food all day long and like halfway gagging on the food and like it's just one guy after another saying man it's just so simple you just have to eat big you know if you want to be big and it is that simple but man is it it's challenging just as just as it's challenging to eat a lot less, to be thin or to try to be lean. Yeah. No, I agree. Absolutely. And I think too, I've, I think, you know, I started off as an ego lifter and I was maxing out all the time.

And then I became like a little bit more sensible in that sense. And now like I would never go off program ever, you know, and I would never like attempt a number that I think maybe I can hit. I would make sure that my program is always like, nah, I can nail these numbers. And I think nutrition has taken me a bit longer to pull my head in. And I've been doing like McDonald's every day for like my whole adult life. Like I'm not exaggerating. You still do? Yeah.

Okay. So if I'm like cutting and I'm in like a pretty hard deficit, I'll still have McDonald's once a day, but it'll be like just six nuggets or just a small fries and the rest will be clean. And so it's just like slowly going from like all junk food to like having a little bit in there to keep sane, to stick to my diet for adherence basically. But I think now I'm seeing that like, you know, my gains have slowed down.

I don't have those beginner gains anymore. And hypertrophy is getting harder and harder. And I think it's just because I just don't eat enough protein, man. Like I need to eat so much more protein. So I find that I'm finally, it's taken taken time but i'm finally pulling my head in and actually trying to nail nutrition a little bit more it's hard to eat meat after you eat french fries you know yeah right like it's just not that appetizing when you have those different flavors yeah i agree absolutely it is easy to eat more though more of the fries with the hamburgers yeah oh yeah yeah

which is awesome i don't know if i missed it but like what what were the body image issues that you did have when you like yeah when you started lifting you said you developed that after you started lifting uh so no so i had anorexia in 2014 okay um and i was quite unwell um and it happened really quick and i got better really quick and sometimes i'm a bit hesitant to talk about it um in not because it's personal'm a bit hesitant to talk about it, not because it's personal. I'm really happy to share it, but just because sometimes I feel like I don't feel like it affects me anymore at all.

I don't feel like I have a single disordered thought in many, many, many years. And I feel like people comment on my things saying things like, oh, look at this girl. She's so strong and she's overcome all this to do this. And to me it doesn't feel like there's a link. I don't feel like I deserve extra props because i used to be unwell because i'm not unwell now i find that really interesting that's actually kind of cool though i i agree with

you you know like sometimes somebody overcomes like a drug addiction you're like oh that is great that they did that but yeah they fucked themselves over and got themselves into that spot not to be you know not to be like not compassionate towards that but but i i agree and so like yeah you you don't feel like you deserve anything extra special because you uh had a disorder that you fell into yes absolutely and but if it was affecting me every day if every day i looked in the mirror and i was like i just want to be skinny but i'm fighting it to get big and strong and whatever then that's great that's like requires some strength on my behalf. But that's not how I feel. I don't wake up every day wishing I was thin.

You kind of don't like, I'm guessing you don't want it to define you. You don't want everyone, every time somebody thinks of you, they think about that. Yes, exactly. I get what you're saying. I applied for, there's this really great movement about women in sport where I'm from. And they had TV ads and stuff. And I thought like, oh, it'd be cool to like talk about women in sport and to be like, there was no one doing strength stuff.

There was lots of athletics. And everyone had a sob story. And when I kind of contacted them about it, they were like, yeah, come and tell your sob story. And I was like. They legit said sob story? They didn't use those words. Oh, okay, okay. I'm paraphrasing.

I got you. Overcoming adversity and whatever, right? Which is great. And it has value. But I didn't want that to be the only reason that I'm worthy of being, you know, like what I'm doing. Like, I think what I'm doing is cool. You know, I think I'm strong for anyone, not just for someone who used to be unwell. Yeah. Strong for a girl. That's it. When you started lifting, you said you wanted to be like the most jackedest, right? Um,

so were you training partners? Like, did you have a lot of female training partners or a lot of guys? How was that? No, I was pretty much on my own. Oh, really? Yeah. And I didn't really know that, like, the way that I was training was so male dominated. Like, my favorite exercise was chest fly. Do you think I can get my female athletes to be doing, like, training chest? They hate it, you know? And, like, yeah, I always use, like, cable kickbacks as an example.

Like, I would just never do that because I don't, like, I don't understand the big booty trend and I don't want to have a big booty, you know? I just want to be able to do cool shit. A lot of girls don't even know much about getting a pump. No, that's true. A lot of them don't just because like they're, they're training for different reasons. They're training for powerlifting. And when you don't have a lot of muscle, you don't know how that feels to have your arms or your quads or your chest, like in excruciating pain. Cause there's so much like

blood volume running through there. And so I, I, I think that's cool that that was a goal of yours is to work your way towards that. I think everyone should work their way towards it. I think it would help with a sports performance. I think it would help, uh, in terms of like bodybuilding, learning how to contract and learning how to flex, you know, your left bicep and learning how to, you know, flex your left hamstring. And I think it has, pays huge dividends in, uh, being able to control your body and learn how you're supposed to flex. Yeah.

Yeah. And you can, yeah, like you said, you can apply that to so many things. You can apply that to boxing, which we did a bit of today and, you know, it's coordination as well. Um, and it takes time. Like I remember it was like one muscle group at a time that I sort of, um, accumulated the skillset to be able to contract. You know, I remembered like the bicep was first, you know, like the bicep is very easy to contract.

And then I remembered like my hamstrings were so hard and like rear delts were so hard. And it was like years before I was like, no, I'm nailing my delts only now, you know. So how did you like, I guess, looking at that process, what is it that you did to focus on that when you were like working out? Were you like, I don't know, you don't, did you develop, I guess what I'm trying to say is postural issues with your rear delts or something? You're like, I got to work on these more. Like what did that work out for you? I think that at first I was doing exercises, not knowing which muscles I was really using. That's actually, that's huge. That's, that's huge. Can you go into that a little bit more? Yeah. Well, I feel like I probably was doing rear delt flies, not knowing anatomically what a

rear delt was, you know? But on the other hand, like, and this isn't a very good advertisement for coaching, which I offer, but I think that a really good example I like to use is a lat pull down. I know now that I was doing it wrong. I know now that my shoulders were protracted and I was like, my shoulders are high. I'm doing it wrong. Looks perfect to me. But my back got strong because I was pulling and I was pushing, like I was pushing myself. It was hard and RPA was high and I was pulling weight towards me. So my back got stronger, you know? And I think that's an example of something where you're probably not going to really hurt yourself. It's just suboptimal. Actually, also along with that, did you notice

when you were lifting, you said you were trying to like lift heavy all the time. Did you lighten up loads and feel certain muscle groups better or did you just continue the heavy lifting type of thing? I think I was just heavy lifting. I think I was accidentally applying progressive overload. I think I would do like sets of 12 dumbbell presses and then I'd be like, these are too easy now. I'm able to do 15. I'm going to do 15. And then when they were too easy, I'd put the weight up and go back to 12. So I didn't even know what the term progressive overload was,

but I was using it. That's awesome. How would somebody know that they have an issue with themselves? It seems like you don't have an issue with yourself at the moment, but everyone's got some issues with themselves. How would somebody identify that they have a problem? Does it need to be called to their attention by somebody else? Or can you kind of like self-actualize it?

Can you identify like, man, like I'm just, I'm really not eating. I'm not doing, you know, how, how, how would someone make sense of it if they're in that predicament? I think like, I think a disorder and just being down about yourself are two very separate things. But I think that, um, I think, you know, you have like a self-confidence issue if you can look at your flaws and it changes your mood. I think that like, I look in the mirror and I see cellulite and I go, oh, it's not nice. And then I go home with my day.

It doesn't bother me. It doesn't affect the rest of my day or, um, my interactions. Um, but I think if that's, what's getting you down and you down and maybe it's changing your behaviors, maybe you're having like restrictive behaviors or whatever. Definitely. But I think there's, in terms of actually having an eating disorder, I haven't heard anyone who was not in denial at the start. Everyone's in denial and people are telling you like, you're sick, you're sick, you're sick.

And you're like, no, I want, I just want to look better and it's working and I look great and I'm going to keep looking better and better, you're sick, you're sick. And you're like, no, I want, I just want to look better and it's working and I look great and I'm going to keep looking better and better, you know? And yeah, I think, and you're like proud of yourself for like the discipline aspect of, you know, I hate running and I was running six Ks a day and you know, good for me. Like, or, you know, I love McDonald's and I haven't eaten it for two weeks. It would be very hard to identify because you know, who's telling you that? Like a lot of other people, I'm sure it's people that care about you and people that love you, but it's also people that maybe don't have discipline with their nutrition. Maybe they're not that into exercise. And so

you're like, you just don't understand because I love to exercise and I love to eat this way. So I am making myself look better and you're just being jelly. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. And I think now it's really hard. It's taken my parents, like I've been powerlifting competitively for around two years and it's taken my parents all this time to recognize that like when I cut weight, even if it's aggressively, the mindset is okay. Like I'll admit that I've crashed dieted to make weight and that I have been unhealthy in the ways that I've made weight for competitions. Um, and I've lived and I've learned from those, but I can see them get anxious. Like, you know, if I have ab veins, like I'm lean, you know, I'm really lean when I'm competing and I can see my parents go like,

oh man, here we go again, you know? But yeah, I just reassure them that like, it's part of my sport. It's what I do. It makes me more competitive. And then they see me put the weight back on afterwards in like a, in like a safe controlled way. I'm very in control. I feel like within the kilo, I'm in control of my weight all the time now. So what did, Ooh, Ooh, okay. What did bring this

control for you? Like, how did you get to that point where like you've, you overcame it and it's nothing anymore? I think like giving up on trying to control it, put me back in control because I feel like I was so like, Oh, I'm going to restrict so hard. And then if I fail, I'm so down on myself that I want to restrict harder. And I feel like you guys might laugh at this, but when I started powerlifting and I chose, that's what I wanted to pursue instead of bodybuilding. I feel like in terms of nutrition, I was just throwing in the towel and I was like, oh, I'll just never be lean. Might as well get strong. So you were doing, you were doing like bodybuilding focused, I for sport before the powerlifting no like I uh basically I was just

trying to get big because I wanted to look big your physique focused yes I was and then I was like now I want to compete in something should I choose a bodybuilding show or should I choose a powerlifting meet and I chose a powerlifting meet because I thought I couldn't diet um but then as soon as I did a powerlifting meet and I looked up the numbers of like people in Australia, I was like, man, if I dropped a weight class, I could go to nationals and I just heard of this sport. It was wild. So for the first, I tried to lose weight my whole life,

never succeeded except for when I actually had anorexia. And then for the first time in my life, I just dropped like six kilos in like eight weeks because I was so desperate to succeed at powerlifting that I just nailed my diet for the first time ever. And nowadays when you have, you know, an issue, you're like, Oh, I got extra love handles or have cellulite or what's the dialogue now? Is it more like, I don't want to go through what's necessary to get rid of it. So I don't really care about it

that much. I'm just going to kind of laugh it off. I'm happy with the way I'm eating and I'm happy with my health and I'm happy with my performance in the gym is kind of more of that mindset. Yeah, I think so. I think it's like a priority thing. Like it'd be great to be a 10 and to be super hot and whatever, but like I'm not going to be remembered for that. And I think too, I think I have excellent self-confidence and I think that I have a lot of things going for me.

And I think that if I look in the mirror and I don't like what I see, I'm like, yeah, but I have X, Y, and Z going for me. And they're probably more important than the way that I look. You know, I think what like kind of what you just mentioned there in terms of powerlifting versus bodybuilding is so important for people to, I guess, listen to, especially if they might be going through something like that. is so important for people to, I guess, listen to, especially if they might be going through something like that because I work with bodybuilders and I've worked with bodybuilders who, like, after a show, they can't let go of being lean to an unhealthy point, especially, like, yeah, even physique guys, bikini girls,

they can't let it go. And then when you try to get them to eat more and gain some body fat so they can get healthy, they start mentally start thinking they're fat and that's why they do show after show after show so that they can maintain that leanness. But then they give themselves a reason to stay lean by continuing to compete, even though it's so unhealthy. Yeah. But I think too, when I rebounded from anorexia and put the weight back on, because it was in my best interest to do so, I worried that people would look at me as like I

failed, like I did really well to lose the weight. And now I've slipped up and I can't maintain it and I'm failing and I'm putting on weight. And I think being around athletes so much, um, who understand that that's not the case when you put on weight after a meet or a bodybuilding show, even, uh, that's made me feel really good about myself. Like I'll take my shirt off to train in the gym and I'm not sucking my gut in like I would have if I was at the pool when I was 16, you know, I'm not sucking it in. I'm there to train and be an athlete. And I know that people around me understand that. They don't look at me like, gosh, she's let herself go. It's like, okay, she's a little while out from a meet, you know, and people will say that to me and it's not offensive to say like, oh, you look strong.

And they mean like you look heavy, you know, like, well, you're not competing for a while. And that's the great thing about like powerlifting or strongman or any of these sports because like everything you're doing is to be strong. You know, you're not trying to just get lean for getting lean sake. Like you're trying to do it so you can be strong at that weight. So it's, it's, you're not focused on your body or the way you're looking. You're focused on athletically, your performance and your body is going to reflect it. It's healthier. Yeah, sure. Um, but I'll be the first to admit that like, um, I don't know. I worry that people will think that this is vain, but I'm a fitness model. It's my

job and I get a salary for doing so. And so it's my job to like be somewhat aesthetically pleasing. And I'm the first to admit that if it wasn't my job, I probably would have gone up a weight class by now. And it's inhibiting my total in is trying to stay lean and, or at least being lean once a year, you know. But it's my job and I love my job. So it's a sacrifice that I'm making. So I think I'm definitely sacrificing some athletic performance for aesthetics for the sake of my business and what I do for a living. Did you get diagnosed with anorexia?

Did you go to a doctor or something like that? Yeah, definitely. Definitely. And I didn't think like, I didn't think I would fit the criteria because like I'm in denial, you know. Did someone force you to go? Um, no, it was, it was like coming out as gay. I invited my family, my parents are split up and they get along really well.

And I invited my whole family, my siblings, their partners, everything for dinner at like my sister's house. So it was like mutual ground. And I was like, yo, what's up? Like I've started treatment. I've been bulimic my whole life and now I have anorexia. And they were just kind of like, all right, what are those things? Never heard of those things.

And yeah, so I actually don't know. I don't remember what made me go, all right, shit, I'm going to get treatment. I know that there was an acute hospitalization when I collapsed at my mom's house and that led us to the emergency room. But I think I was already getting treatment like once a week, seeing a therapist then, which I found somewhat helpful. But yeah, it's hard to go because you're like, I'm going to go here and this person's going to tell me I have to eat more and gain weight. And you're like, I know that that's what the world wants me to do. I don't need to pay to be told that, you know. And how did your family take it when you told them?

me to do. I don't need to pay to be told that, you know. And how did your family take it when you told them? Um, my parents were a little bit upset because, um, I told them that, so I'd had bulimia my whole life, but it was very manageable. Like it wasn't taking over my life. I wasn't even really binging and purging. I would just kind of like eat something, feel bad about it and vomit it up. And the crazy thing is that I genuinely thought everyone did that. I thought it was like shitting yourself. We've all done it. We just don't talk about it. No one wants to hear about it. You know, like vomiting is gross. So I really thought everyone did it. And then one day I remember telling a friend at school, like, um, I probably vomit this stuff. And she was like, what? It's like, oh damn, nothing. Um, and so I think they were really upset that they hadn't

seen the signs, you know, that they hadn't noticed but I was so sneaky like so sneaky you know I was doing sit-ups in my room in the dark I was getting up at like 4am to go for a run in the dark and when I was like 11 damn you know yeah yeah but these were like I'm making it sound worse than it is these were like a few little things maybe like one symptom at a time over many many years you know was there anything like when you're a kid that you think like, oh, that kind of maybe that made you have that mindset? Yeah. Was there anything at all?

I don't think so. Like even when I went to therapy, they said, would you be interested in having your mum come in? I kept talking about how I felt guilty. I felt so guilty for having anorexia because my mum just blamed herself. I think a lot of parents do that and they just think it's all their fault. So they brought my mum in and don't get me wrong, there's no right or wrong way to parent,

but they were like, you have ticked all of the boxes. So we ate really healthy all the time and then once a week we'd have like a McDonald's night and we'd get some snacks and watch movies as a family and maybe like special occasions like birthdays, we had cake, but you had one bit of cake and you had one soft drink when we went out for dinner and the rest, soda, when you went out for dinner and then the rest was water, you know? And I remember one day I was putting butter on my toast and my dad said, and don't judge

my dad, he's just a man who doesn't know much about women, you know? But I was putting heaps of butter on my toast and dad said, whoa, whoa, whoa, hold up. Like, you know, that's really fattening. And my mom said, don't tell her that. You should tell her that it's bad for her heart, not that it's going to make her fat. That's what she should be worried about. Like, what an intelligent thing for my mom who's not in the fitness industry. You know, and even like it was like 10 years, this is 10 years ago before we were really aware of like all the body image issues so much and whatever.

So I feel like they did all the right things. But my therapist really described it as like getting brain cancer. like they did all the right things. But my therapist really described it as like getting brain cancer. Like, yeah, there are some genetic factors that can happen and there are some like traumas that can happen in your life that can contribute to it, but you can just fucking get it. It's just bad luck, man. And that's what I feel like. Let me ask you this. Have you ever, have you ever worked with clients that have issues like that? Yes and no. More so, I don't think anyone comes to try and get strong while they're unwell. I think that when they're recovering they do.

But yes, absolutely, people who have recovered and some have known about my health history and some haven't. And I have speculated that my clients are experiencing such a thing and I've had a radar out for it and I've just kind of known like what questions to ask that aren't so direct because confronting having someone tell you that they think, they think that you have an eating disorder. Now with that being said, because I've actually, I've actually had to work with somebody like that before. How would you suggest a coach do that? If they see like these warning signs, right? If they see

these things happening with the client, um, how do you think they see like these warning signs right if they see these things happening with the client um how do you think they should approach that should they even work with that individual or like how should they try and help this person yeah yeah i think like keeping them safe in the gym is the first thing if you think that they're like that unwell that like they're at a risk of fainting or whatever which has happened to me in workouts um i think that you just need to keep the um um, the intensity low. Um, I think that just telling them you're not fit to train, you need to go away is not a good way to isolate someone who is unwell. Um, but in nursing, if a child is, if you suspect that a child is being abused or that

there's something wrong there, you have like a mandatory reporting law where you have to tell the parents. I honestly think that even though it may be a little bit of a breach of confidentiality with your client, I think that if you have access to someone that they know, like a parent or a partner or something, I think flagging it with them is the best way because the more people who are aware of it

and are monitoring it, I think the better. Okay. So I guess that actually falls into even if they're an adult. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. But if I, I think if my PT had told me, I think you have an eating disorder, I would have gotten the hell out of there and not come back. Like, cause that's so threatening.

Like, you know, um, you want to be under the radar. You don't want anyone to notice. Um. I think that's interesting. You said you haven't had a lot of people come to you, uh, to get stronger when they're unwell. I think a misconception about fitness and a misconception, a huge misconception with weight loss in general, is that you're going to lose weight and be healthier. And that's the worst.

That's not a good place to start. No. You know, you need to be healthy in order to lose weight. You need to get your body like you get some momentum going in the right direction. And so that's why we see a lot of people that have kept the weight off. They'll say the simplest thing. You say, oh, where'd you start? And they'll be like, oh, I started walking.

Yeah. You know, or. Looking around the clothesline. You know, I, yeah, I got rid of, I got rid of soda, you know. Yeah. One thing at a time. And they made these kind of like small little things and then they created a architecture that was actually strong enough to to build something off of and to have something be uh sustainable and repetitive and when you when you

try to look at it from a perspective of i'm going to lose weight and be healthy i think a better perspective is i'm just going to eat to be healthy and then from there i will worry about losing weight some other time yeah kind of like what you did with attaching yourself to strength. I'm going to attach myself to performance and I'm going to worry about the body kind of secondary, but your body just got better anyway. Yeah. As a result of focusing in on being stronger. Yeah. Yeah.

I agree. And I've had like some of my clients are also personal trainers and they've said to me, like, I want to start strength training because I feel like if you just, if you're strength training and you're working hard, everything else just falls into place. And I really agree with that. Like if you have a really hard workout, like I don't really feel like binging on disgusting food. I feel like an athlete and I feel like I want to feel myself as such.

Yeah. Maybe some disgusting food. Yeah. Right. A little. Yeah. By the way. So the McDonald's everyday thing,

is that like just kind of a little ritual you have for yourself? How do we be part of this? Hey, I got no problem with it, by the way. Just like tell us about that. Yeah, I don't know. I feel like I was always ashamed of what I ate and I want people to know. Like I thought that made me weak that I couldn't like resist that food

or whatever. But I think now like I just see it as like I enjoy it. I don't know. Some people might go out and get wasted on the weekends and they know it's not good for their body, but they just enjoy it and they want to do it. And so they're an adult. They can do what they want, you know? And I don't know, maybe some people like use party drugs or PDs or whatever, and they know

that it's like cutting down their life expectancy. And I just sort of feel that way a bit. But I mean, I will admit that I'm a little bit hesitant to like change my diet overnight because last time I did that, I nearly died. So, you know, so I feel like if I can, it's slowly becoming eradicated from my diet. So it might be just a maturity thing just because I'm getting older maybe. That's a bummer. Yeah. So in comparison, you had In-N-Out for the first time today. What did you think? Wild. Loved it. Yeah. It was great. Out of 10 compared to like other burger places you've been to? Look, to be fair, it was cold. I ate it cold. out of 10 compared to like other burger places you've been to look to be fair it was cold i ate it cold so it's hard to uh judge the fries but i think the fries were like a six out of ten and the burger was probably a nine nice i think american food is like australian food

but with like 10 times as much fat sugar salt america it's like yeah but but you're getting there though right in australia with what sorry you you're getting there though, right? In Australia? With what, sorry? You guys are getting there in terms of like people being fatter and just more grotesque and abundance of food, right? Yeah, I think so. But I don't understand it because why is the health industry booming at the same time as like our obesity epidemic?

Well, because they both need each other, right? That's true. Yeah, that's true. But I feel like it's so trendy to be like fit and healthy and like make people unhealthy and confuse them and you'll have a huge market of fitness you know yeah right isn't but like from what i've seen and we've talked about a lot of what we think what we see about australia and the media it seems that like everyone is just like healthy over there that's what it seems like am i wrong that's racist no no no, no.

Mark feels personally attacked. Am I tripping? Because whenever I see pictures... No, you're very right. You just think Australia is this place where everyone has six packs, they're tall... They surf and stuff. Yeah, but I think that the only people that get publicity are hot people. No one wants to see ugly people. So how many ugly people do you follow on Instagram?

And I think it's the same. We say that about um they follow me through my dms i don't go further than that but it's the same with like um the gym that i go to people say like oh i'm not going there everyone's so strong everyone's so strong and i'm like yeah the strong people have followings and you see them you don't see joe blow who's a lawyer who comes in and does a few curls and goes home like and i think it's i think that might be what you're referring to. I got you. How about actually a gym?

You own a gym. And I think you started a gym kind of young too? Oh, not really. I just not that long ago started. It's like a little PT studio. So I've got like calibrated plates and like powerlifting gear in there. And it's actually a 40-foot shipping container that i've converted completely lined and it's like very aesthetic boutique kind of um space so it's pretty cool yeah so i personal

train out there like only like 10 hours a week i don't want to do much more than that and then i rent it out to other personal trainers when i'm not there wow um it was supposed to be to film content in but i'm lonely there i want to go train with my friends how long have you had that place for um not quite 12 months yeah about 12 months okay yeah but I love it it's so cute that's awesome how about competitions because like you said you started competing two years ago so when you were on your lifting journey I guess what encouraged you to be like I want to compete in this too I think I was like lacking purpose like I I was like, cool, I'm going to the gym, I'm seeing results, but like for what? Like, and how do I measure these results? And, um, yeah, I just, um, I heard about powerlifting and, uh, I think a lot of people, would you guys agree, get into powerlifting because they start going to the gym because they want to look better and

then they accidentally get strong and they're like, I want to show that off on a platform. Right. And I think that was the case for me. Like I squatted a hundred strong and they're like, I want to show that off on a platform. Right. And I think that was the case for me. Like I squatted a hundred kilos and I was like, oh damn, I want more. I want more. What was your weight when you did that too? Probably about 65 kilos maybe. Okay. But this is like beltless high bar.

Like, yeah, it would have been pretty ugly. I'm sure. Did you kind of check out the competition to see where you rank? Like that's a lot of people will kind of poke around and see, like, am I going to like be totally embarrassed when I go lifting? Like, are the other girls going to squat 550 pounds and I'm going to squat 200? Did you kind of check out the competition before you entered in? Um, no, not at all. And the gym that I go to does have lots of really strong women in it. So I went there and I was like, Oh, I'm not that strong. Like I got some

work to do. These girls are really strong. And then I went to the novice competition and I went there and I was like, oh, I'm not that strong. Like I've got some work to do. These girls are really strong. And then I went to the novice competition and I went straight from like a 12-hour night shift and went there and I was like dying. And I think I beat all of the women in all of the weight classes and five of the men. And I was like, oh, damn, maybe I'm strong. So that was like my first meet. And then I think like I'm estimating maybe I'm strong. So, um, that was like my first meet. And then I think like, uh, I'm, I'm estimating timeframes here, but then about six months later I was at nationals and I came forth at nationals in a weight class below. So it happened really quick. And I was like, man,

I'm going to be an elite athlete. Like I'm fourth in the country. And I just heard of this sport eight months ago. Like I'm going to be amazing. And then it's been like setback after setback. And now I'm just like another powerlifting peasant. It's hard. Powerlifting is really hard. You know, it's, um, it's, it's not too bad to be good at powerlifting, but it can be really brutal to try to be great at it, to try to get to that next level, you know, to try to get to the next 30 pounds that you might need on your total or something like that. That's where the injuries start to kind of rack up and just not being patient. You know, it just takes it takes so long to be really good at it. And even if you're gifted at it, you're going to be gifted on a couple things. And then you got three lifts to do and something's going to be kind of shitty.

And it's just, it's just a tough sport. And then the commitment to the weight gain and things like that is, is, uh, that makes it a lot harder too, you know, because it's like, well, I could just kind of chub out and keep getting big and keep lifting more weight but not everybody wants to do that either you know yeah yeah no i agree definitely and i think too like it's a bit disheartening when like you have the beginning gains at the start and then you have the beginning gains and then you switch to like more efficient power lifting movements you know you bring your bench grip out and you start like retracting your scaps and you put in an arch and everything. And then- You get a nice boost from that. Yeah, you do. And you stop snatch gripping your deadlifts like every bodybuilder does.

Yeah. Wow. This is- We've got my business Instagram up on the Facebook, up on the screen. That looks cool. This is my little space. Cool thing about powerlifting is it's all in one freaking spot. So it's like a small space.

Is that a grass wall? Yeah, it's a cool little backdrop got some plants in there yeah that's a beautiful spot oh my gosh the storage containers in australia are different than they are here well this has had a hell of a glow up but yeah so actually on the on the uh note of setbacks what exactly happens like what what happens i don't want to bore you because there's nothing more boring than hearing about someone else's injuries, but I just had like a lower back injury

just from squatting and my squats going backwards. But my other lifts have been coming up and yeah, it's, it's not a big deal, but yeah, my squats don't shit at the moment.

Okay. You were mentioning earlier, you know, that your dad may have not approached certain things the right way, but your mom did and maybe she offset some of that. After going through the things that you've gone through, what do you think would be a

reasonable way for a parent to approach talking to a child? And additionally, what in your mind is wrong with just saying, hey, that's going to make you fat? Because being fat is very limiting. I think, I think, I think it puts you at a disadvantage in life. It really does. If you're like 50 pounds overweight and you're 10,

it sucks, but you're at a disadvantage of playing sports and just even being like the other kids and stuff. So what's your vantage point on that? It's really tricky. And I feel like it's a, it's a bit controversial for someone with no children to talk about parenting techniques.

But honestly, like I have full empathy for people who like may say the wrong thing, so to speak, because like what is the right thing? Like it's so hard. You do want your kid to be a healthy weight. But then where's the line between telling them they're fat and lowering their self-confidence? And, you know, but I think like I guess to maybe like encourage sports and in my experience encouraging performance was exciting, you know, um, but I think like, um, I guess to maybe like encourage sports and in my experience, encouraging performance was exciting, you know? Um, and maybe if you had a

really overweight child and telling them like, Oh, you'd be better at this sport and you probably enjoy it more if like, you know, you moved a bit more and you trained a bit more and you ate a bit healthier, you know? That's a great way to do it because you know, if you get, if you get the kid to want to move, which every kid, by the way, every kid, and people that are parents might not agree, but from what I've seen with my own kids and kids that have been around me, every kid wants to move. Every kid wants to move. I'll repeat myself a million times. Every kid wants to move. They really do.

And they might get to an age where they don't want to move anymore, but that might be the point where it now gets to be hard to introduce a sport or introduce some form of exercise. But I like what you said there, because if you're encouraging that and you're like, hey, you know, this is great that you're playing soccer. And if the team loses and stuff like that, and you can kind of maybe figure out a way to have some conversation. Hey, this is what the best soccer play. I know you I know you really like soccer.

This is kind of more along the lines of the way that is what the best soccer play. I know you really like soccer. This is kind of more along the lines of the way that some of these best soccer players eat, where you need your protein to build muscle so you're stronger when you're playing soccer, so you don't run out of breath when you're playing soccer. Whatever dialogue you can have that I guess is almost like avoiding maybe negative talk, and it's just mainly all shifted towards positive. This is an option, and this is a route that you can go if you want to go that way and you don't even mention what's the other direction. Yeah. And that's actually what, have you heard of cognitive behavioral therapy? I have not. It's like

therapy, I guess, tactic, I don't know, method. Do I need some of it, I guess? Maybe. You can probably use it in aspects of your life. But I've written assignments on it while I was at uni. But it's very common with eating disorders. And you don't tell someone, hey, you should lose weight because you're fat and you have low confidence and you're not going to be healthy and whatever. You, like, prompt the person to give the pros and cons. And then that kind of, if they're, like, ambivalent about, like, changing their behavior or whatever, it kind of encourages them to come up with the ideas on their own. And to be like, yeah, I do want this. No one's telling me I want this. I just want this. But I think, like, I feel like there are genuinely

men, maybe in their late thirties, early forties that are powerlifters that aesthetically are overweight, you know, they've got like a large stomach or whatever. And I feel like they're really happy to just be that way and that's fine with them. And, but I don't feel like there are many, maybe 14 year old girls who are overweight, who are like, I just love the way that I look and I'm just completely happy to be, you know, so it is kind of in their best interest, I think, to try and encourage them to lose the weight. Yeah.

I think it's also, I mean, you said you, uh, you, like you were super active as a kid in just terms of working, et cetera, which, you know, when you got a set and serie job that pushed you into lifting. So I feel like it's just necessary to get kids up. You know what I mean? Like it'll lead you in the right direction later on, even if there are any issues. Yeah. And I think I wonder too, like I haven't read anything about like the science behind building a base strength when you're a kid

and how that contributes to, you guys might have some input on that. But when I was a kid, I was just lifting heavy shit all the time. Like I had horses and I was just, I remember like the saddlesdles i was like trying to carry my saddle i'd have to put it on my shoulder because i couldn't carry it in front of me and like you know and i wonder if that contributed to like me being good at strength sports oh yeah dude yeah you reckon oh yeah no i definitely think so i mean i noticed that too like with a lot of i can see the trend with people i work with that like start lifting in their 20s or whatever versus like kids that just did stuff, whether it's athletics or anything. The people that start younger tend to just like get stronger faster.

It just tends to happen. I think it's a coordination thing too. Actually, now that I say it out loud, I'll have girls come to me who have never lifted a weight ever. And I'm like, I'm going to show you how to deadlift. You just do it. We'll just do it with like no weight on the bar, you know? And they give me a perfect deadlift and I give them like two cues and they fix the things that are wrong. And I say like, what have

you done? You've done something. What have you done? They'll be like, I did gymnastics or I did boxing. All right. You know? And I'm like, you've been moving. Like you've been, you've had spatial awareness and you've developed some coordination. Well, we know you can be very healthy without really ever stepping foot in a gym. You have good, um, good eating habits. You know, you got some decent sleep habits and you do other forms of exercises. You like to hike or do some other things. I mean, I think we've had some people on the podcast that refer to your health as like in regards to like a sprint. and nail like a 90% sprint, then you're probably pretty healthy. But if you like blow out a tire, you blow out your calf or your hamstring or something like that just from doing a sprint, then maybe you're not in that good of shape. And that's a great marker as you get to be 50, 60, 70, 80, 90 years old,

if you can still be able to do that kind of in the blink of an eye without much of a warm-up or anything. Yeah, definitely. And I see it too in nursing homes when an elderly person, they start struggling with what we call ADLs, which is activities of daily living. So it might be showering, dressing, making the bed, that sort of thing. The people who struggle

when they're older and they don't have the strength to press themselves out of an armchair, I wonder if they were training triceps their whole life and they were doing dips forever, would they be able to get out of that chair right up until they died or for another five years or whatever? You know, and I think it's like nursing has given me like another reason to, especially like with my parents, I'm like, dad, like, like come hit the gym with me because like one day you're going to need this strength.

Yeah. You can't stop. You got to figure out how we keep moving because one day you'll kind of be stuck there. Yeah. You can't stop. You got to figure out how we keep moving because one day you'll kind of be stuck there. Yeah. And if you can figure out it's it sucks because it's like the person doesn't really choose to want to be there. You know, they don't choose to want to be unhealthy, but they kind of have at some point because life has overwhelmed them at some point to the point where they really can't, they just don't feel good anymore. And if I'm like, hey, let's go for a jog and you feel kind of sick, you're like, I'm not going, you know? Yeah. And so kind of talking to yourself, okay, you know what? I'll go on a walk with you, but I can't run, you know?

What's a compromise? How can you get yourself or encourage yourself or encourage, you know, just someone else just to freaking just try to figure out a way to keep moving, you know? Yeah. I think like how do you create incentive for an adult like it's not a child where you can say like i'll buy you this toy if you you know do a bit of this do a bit of that but i think just if you're finding like find something everyone has something that they enjoy it took me a long time to find it you know i tried lots of exercise that i hated before i found powerlifting um but i think everyone has something even if you're 55 and you haven't found it yet, I'm sure it exists.

I'm sure that everybody has like a physical activity that they can enjoy. Um, but also like, I think you need to have empathy towards people who don't want to do that. Um, I listened to a valedictory speech by Tim Minchin, who is an Australian comedian. He's a very intelligent man. He's an educated man. And, um, he was talking about how you can't take full responsibility for your success because, um because I can't

help that I get up every day and I feel like going to the gym. That's not because I'm superior to people who don't want to go to the gym. That's just like a DNA thing. Like I'm just born that way. I'm just born a motivated person in the same way that I can't help that I don't want to eat a salad. That's not my fault. Like I can't beat myself up about that because, um, that another person who does like a salad, they didn't choose to like salad, you know? And so I don't beat myself up about, um, not wanting to eat well. And I don't judge other people for not wanting to exercise because I don't think I can take full credit for being a motivated person. Yeah. You know, though, I do think that like, cause I've, I've seen a lot of people who in

the past hated the gym, but when they managed to change their lifestyle and they found things that they were good at, boom, it becomes something that they, they're, they're addicted to and they want to do that. Um, so I think it's definitely possible for those who do hate it. They just like, like you actually, you just mentioned it. Find something that they enjoy, whether like the movements you enjoy in the gym, you didn't like doing, I don't know, you didn't like running or sprinting and CrossFit, but you love squat bench and deadlift.

Yeah. Right. So it drives you towards that, I guess. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. And it's the same't like running or sprinting and CrossFit, but you love squat bench and deadlift. Yeah. Right. So it drives you towards that, I guess. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. And it's the same, like I would never go for a run, but love playing basketball. Like I could play like back to back, I could play like three hours of basketball and I'd be exhausted, but I would love every second of it.

So like, that's what I should be doing. You know? Did you play a lot of basketball as a kid or is that something you started doing later? Yeah, a little. I did. This is wild, but it doesn't say much about the australian public school system but i did a unit in high school called basketball we don't have that and we just studied units and uh sorry we just studied teams yeah and um yeah i studied the denver nuggets and now i'm a

fan and because of all the people who are no longer in it like wait so wait pause in this class you just studied you just studied you personally studied the denver nuggets in their history and you wrote reports on the denver nuggets yeah player profiles and stuff and then twice a week we go and just play basketball for so like what years denver nuggets pardon like what years were you studying the denver nuggets i would have been in year 10 which would have been 16 10 years years ago. Okay, so then who are your favorites? Oh, like Nene, JR. Okay. Who else?

Carmelo. Okay, that's pretty new. I was going to throw some older names at you. Yeah, no. This is so interesting, though. Like, am I the only one who's kind of mind-blown about this? U.S. school system's kind of lame anyways, right? Yeah, we're actually really lame. It it gets worse i did a unit called wheels and it was just skateboarding

and rollerblading or bmx and you got to choose which one and i chose rollerblades because this was like in college uh no high school high school yeah and so i learned how to it does make some sense so to have so how many classes would you have that were kind of bullshit classes? I think it would be one 50-minute class. And then, oh, God, I think. And then two double sessions. So like pretty much two two-hours and one one-hour, I think. Wow.

Is that four hours? So like per week or per day per week sorry okay yeah yeah but i learned how to drop it on a half pipe in rollerblade oh shit isn't that wild yeah what a useless skill i don't know how to do my taxes but i know how to drop that's kind of cool though i mean i think that keeps uh school maybe more motivational in a way yeah definitely some options towards things that you like i mean unfortunately here in america they they have pulled a lot of options like that out you know where they don't have um kids like learning wood shop and metal shop and like a lot of you know it's you know i don't know why i don't know all the reasons for it and i i hate to complain about

stuff that i don't know a lot about and i hate to complain about stuff i don't have good solutions to but it just it's odd it's like what why would you pull some of that away like i know that you can't get rid of like math and english either but um you know i it's just like it's kind of frustrating because you're like man like going to school seems like it seems really difficult nowadays it seems like it's just way too boring to be able to do. And in today's day and age when everyone's attention has dropped drastically, even adults have like a seven second time span or something. I mean, that's pretty quick. You know, if you're not hitting the kids with something pretty cool in history class, then

you're done. They're not going to pay attention to the whole thing. Yeah, definitely. I think they've pulled PE a little bit too. Yeah. Jeez. But you came back to your next class so fresh and so like happy to sit down after you just been to the skate park

like rolling around for an hour okay so i think it was good how'd you get into uh i guess you you are a practicing nurse currently so you're practicing nurse and you own a gym and you do online work first off how'd you get into the nursing? And currently, how are you managing all of this right now? I'm exhausted. Oh, okay. And I'm going gray. Thanks for asking. Cosmetic injectables, that's how I'm doing it. But basically, I just nursed because I finished high school and I didn't know what I wanted to do. And I could see people around me doing nothing. And I decided to just throw myself into anything. So it was kind of just a responsible decision in terms of like, okay, I'll always have a job as a nurse. I can do it part-time. There's not many like, um,

degree requiring jobs where you can do them part-time. Um, and that I can travel anywhere in the country with it, which is at the time is what I thought I wanted. Um, so I just kind of studied nursing and I was like, yeah, see where it takes me. And yeah, it's just kind of like a, I describe it as a hobby. It's something that I do for fun. I love doing it, I think, because I don't have to. I think if I was a full-time nurse, I would hate the job. Like punching the clock, taking lunch when you're told to take lunch. I'm just not good at working for other people.

I haven't done a lot of it at all. But I think because I want to be there and I love it, I really like going there. And it's the only time of the week that I have like a really intelligent conversation with people a lot smarter than me. I'm talking to doctors who I'm in awe of. And I think that's like really stimulating intellectually, which is important. You hear like stay at home moms talk about like going to work to have like adult conversations and stuff like lifting things is cool, but like, you know, loading plates for clients

all day and talking about barbell biomechanics and stuff gets a little bit monotonous. When you have a lot of these conversations with these doctors or other nurses, is there a trend of a lack of nutritional intervention or using physical exercise as interventions for issues? For patients. For patients versus, or is that not really? Is this interventions for issues? For patients. For patients versus, or is that not really? Yeah.

Look, we have dieticians and things, but the circumstances under which you would give a dietician referral would be like extreme weight loss in like an elderly person. Or, you know, it's not really for like high blood pressure or these things that eventually are huge issues, but they're non-urgent at the moment. So, yeah, I think it could be improved in that sense. urgent at the moment. So yeah, I think it could be improved in that sense, but it really astounds me how, like I was talking to a doctor the other day and she's in neuroscience and she's so smart. And she was saying, she was eating a salad and she said, yeah, I'm cutting carbs. And I said, oh, why? Why are you doing that, bro? And she's like, because I want to lose weight. And I was like, yeah, that works. Like, why do you think why do you think cutting carbs lose weight? It makes you lose weight. And she's like, cause carbs make you fat. They're fat thing. And I was like, okay, bye. But I was like, you know, like it made me realize that we're in this industry where people know about nutrition

and training and it's common sense to us that like carbs don't make you fat, calorie surplus makes you fat. Um, but not everyone knows that. Like you can be really smart and still not know about these things. And I really love the way that like all the nurses come to me and they're like, how do I lose like the weight around my midsection here? And I explained to them that like you can't spot reduce fat and like a calorie deficit and whatever. And sometimes they'll download like MyFitnessPal on their phone and I'll show them how to use it and stuff. And I really like helping those people who don't have the confidence to come to a gym and, you know, pay for a service. Especially like, I know a lot of nurses and honestly, their lifestyle is kind of, it's tough, especially the full-time nurses I know.

Yeah. Right. Because like they work these weird hours and apparently like a lot of them smoke, oddly enough. Really? A lot of the nurses I know it's like, and they even say, yeah, a lot of our coworkers smoke. They help all these people, but their own lifestyle is like kind of in shambles. I don't know. Is it similar over there or are nurses healthier there?

I think, I feel like they're pretty healthy to be honest. Yeah? I really do. I don't, like in my circle of friends, I know I'm like in the gym world and whatever, but I feel like if I see a young girl smoking, I'm like, damn. Like I didn't think that people my age did that. You know, I thought it was so out of vogue. And even my dad says like when he was a kid, it was cool to smoke. And I don't think it's like cool to smoke as like, you know, even like that vulnerable

like 17, 18 year old age kind of thing. I did it, but yeah. But no, I feel like the nurses are probably, their diet's probably better than mine, to be honest. And I'm supposed to be an athlete. Are you allowed to prescribe or suggest stuff to patients? Like, uh, because you do know a lot about like exercise and stuff. Do you, maybe someone's got like, I don't know, they have a bad back and you start explaining,

you know, that, you know, getting to the gym or are you allowed to do stuff like that? I think I'm allowed, but unfortunately I just don't think time permits. Right. Yeah. I think I've got so many patients and so many tasks to fill up uh you know like in my head i've got a backlog of 30 tasks that need doing that are all clinical and like have an element of danger to them in terms of like drug doses and stuff that i don't find that i would have a lot of time to sit down you got like operating procedures that if you don't follow someone could get hurt so you don't have time to sit there and talk to someone about their deadlifts. Yeah, that's right. And I work in emergency, which is like,

it's an extremely, what's the word? Like it's just a huge turnover of patients and we're just drowning in there every day. Like it's so hard to keep up and there's so much pressure to like get people in, get them well, or admit them and get, or get them out, you know? Yeah. Well now, since you, you know, you have an online business, you have an in-person training business, you're very well known within the industry. What is it that I guess continues to bring you back to that? And is nursing something that you, you think you want to maintain for the rest of your life? Or is there a point where you think you might just stop? I think that, uh, people always ask me like, oh, when your business takes off, are you going to leave nursing? And I think it's the opposite. I think

I desperately want to keep my nursing. It's becoming so hard to make time for that, you know. And so I really just want to do it forever. But I don't know. I guess you never know if there's, I don't know, maybe hopefully one day my income will be such that it seems silly to go to nursing, you know. It still is like financially counterintuitive like in terms of time for labor. Yeah.

But it's not so much that I'm like, this is a complete waste of my time. What about if you could make a lateral movement to where you utilize a lot of the things you've learned in nursing to consult with people, you know, to something like that? Well, I'll spill the beans, but my next business is pretty much doing that. Right. But yeah, I'm looking at opening like a cosmetic injectables clinic where I live. And so I need to be a registered nurse for that. And it's kind of, I think that it's kind of in a roundabout way become like, cause everyone says to me, Oh, you don't use your nursing. What a waste. Like you're not a full-time nurse. You went to uni for all these years and what a waste. And so I think this is a way that I'm going to end

up utilizing it. So what would this place look like? Um, so I'm negotiating a lease at the moment, which has been pretty painful. Um, but it's a two-story building that I'm looking at. And yeah, downstairs would be a handful of injecting nurses and upstairs would be like beauty therapies to kind of like bring some traffic into my waiting room in the hopes that it's a gateway drug to getting injectables. Help people with exercise and stuff as well or not really? Not so much, but I think I'll keep my gym and pay a group trainer on a weekend and then my clients can use that for free. They can bring their parents or whoever they want to bring. Why not say this? Why not say, I can inject you with all the shit that I have in here,

but if you continue to look that way, you're still going to be a mess. So why don't you hit up our gym that's downstairs that's great cross that that might help a lot maybe you should start there i like it you know let me ask you this uh what are your thoughts on uh you know getting injections in the ass and implants and stuff like that like how what are your thoughts on that because i feel feel like getting like some Botox, I don't know the specifics of like stuff in the lips and face. I feel like that is very different from augmenting your body in those ways. And obviously as a man, I have a very limited opinion on that. Right.

I can't say who should do what. But what is your opinion on stuff like that? I think that like injectables are reversible. So I agree that they're like a they're a lower what are what are examples of injectables since we don't know anything over here um lip fillers and botox are probably the most common anti-wrinkle and lip fillers but people get like cheek fillers as well um i get my masseters which is your jaw muscle i get like a shitload of botox injected in there because lifting i clench and it gives me this big old square

jawline um but that's all i really get done, that and occasionally here and lip fillers. But my opinion is that like, so I have a friend who has fake butt, fake boobs, like so many injectables and everybody like bitches about it and says like, oh my God, it's too much. It's too much. And she says, I look so fake and I love it. She just wants to look fake, like Dolly Parton. She just really wants to look fake and she thinks that looks fantastic and she's not hurting anyone by doing that. That's like a lot of people that lift, they say, I want to look like an action figure. That's not

like a realistic, normal physique. No, I want to look masculine. I want big shoulders and I want big arms and that's not conventional. So who am I to judge someone who wants a big fake butt or whatever, just because I don't like the way it looks. It's not really any of my business okay that's fair the one the thing i and again this kind of i guess i overstepped my opinion here i overstepped my balance here it's somewhat dangerous when i see and i notice this within a lot of early 20s individuals women um especially within the circle of like people my girlfriend knows um they get a lot of stuff done and they all kind of look like the same person same person being which is which kardashian is it it's not kim it's kylie like i see i see so

many kylie's yeah i'm just like that's true like and it's crazy i'm just like i don't know guess that's right. That's true. And it's crazy. I'm just like, I don't know if that's, I don't know. It's like, do they all go to the same doctor? It's just the same, it's the same exact look. But how is that different to, so right now there's an oversized t-shirt trend and I love it. I'm wearing oversized t-shirts. So if I go in a room with other girls dressed casually, we're all going to be dressed kind of the same. And like, I have like ripped. And I have ripped jeans. I like ripped jeans.

Everyone else is wearing them. Yeah. What about powerlifters? Everyone's got a goatee and they're balding. Yeah. It's true. And neck rolls. We all kind of want to look like The Rock, right?

We're all balding and fair. Yeah. That's it. But yeah, I think it's just a trend. But yeah, it's a little bit more dangerous because one, it's more expensive than buying an oversized t-shirt. Yeah. But two, some of it is not reversible. yeah but i have breast implants oh um and what what the hell we gotta shut this down you're not that's all the time we got for today

thought you were natty what you're not 40 body fat with double d's wild i just did it for the bench rom. That's actually very smart. That's why I got a big old bench. Does it help? No, I think my arch is such that the bar hits below my breasts. Can't win them all.

But it feels weird and it looks really weird. I think that the argument of women not wanting to get bulky is completely valid. If you don't want to look jacked then then you don't have to look jacked and that's okay. And I'm not here to judge you for that. But I think that like, I love my muscles. I love that. Like, I think I look like fairly muscular, but my chest is disgusting. It's so gross. Like without the implants? No, I think it's like, um, the implants. So I got the implants before I ever started lifting.

And now it's like this big old chest with these round implants stacked on top. And I'm told that like it pushes them out as your chest develops. It pushes the implants out. So my breasts are quite far apart. And then I have like this underside kind of pec going. I don't know. I just don't think that like conventionally large pecs are really sexy. You can move them around or something.

I can. you want to see i made a video with like uh kevin oaken that i think you need a um you need a bench shirt you ever been in a bench shirt i really want to it jams them it jams them up see if you can pull up a picture i got my my titties all jammed up mine are probably furrier than yours but you know definitely furrier yeah Yeah, they're pushed, you know. But I even have scabs on my knees from knee wraps. Imagine the bench strap bite marks. Oh yeah. But in Australia

You get killed on it. In Australia, men and women in all weight classes registered powerlifters in any federation in equipped lifting. There's like 70 something. So how many of those do you think are in the under 60 kilo 50 ounce class? Yeah, you can break all the records. Yeah, I'm sure by you think are in the under 60 kilo? Yeah. Yeah. Right. You can break all the records.

Yeah. I'm sure by default, I'm probably the best, the best equipped venture in Australia. Yeah. The, the, uh, geared powerlifting isn't much of a thing.

Do you still compete in powerlifting or are you kind of going back and forth between strongman stuff? Yeah, I think, um, powerlifting is definitely my primary sport. Um, and I just did a meet a couple of weeks ago at hybrid.

Um, but, and I plan to pursue it further. But I think that strongman is kind of like an off-season thing for me. I think I get bored of doing the same thing. And I think too, when you have a powerlifting meet, you go from like training every day because you want to, to training every day because you've committed something

that now you feel like you have to do. So I think after a meet, I just want to like YOLO for a few weeks and I'll do like a whole lot of, you know, I hit that heavy log triple here yesterday because I was like, Oh, I just want to throw something different around. Yeah. Have you seen your strongman? Has it helped you powerlifting at all?

Um, I mean it's hard to measure, but, um, I think that like, um, I've, I do so many different deadlift variations now. My deadlifts flown up. So like axle bar deadlifts. Um, although in Australia we're allowed to use straps for axle bars. It doesn't really make any sense, but yeah. Um, although in Australia we're allowed to use straps for axle bars. It doesn't really make any sense, but yeah. Um, but yeah, and I'm sure like the overheads had to carry over to my bench as well. And you find you like the variety a lot of doing so many different like movement, you

know, going from powerlifting to strongman being like, I'm focusing on this for two months. I'm focusing on that for three months. Yeah, I think so. And like, you might not train an event for years and years and years, like, cause you're only training the events that are in your next competition generally. Um, and even if you are training, like, let's say you're training axle deadlift, it might be rising bar. It might be for reps. It might be for time. It might be max. It might, you know, there's so many different ways. Um, it might be with straps without, you know, um, so there's just so many

variations of, there must be like a thousand strongman events if you count all the variations. Yeah. You're like, you're super strong and you said you started off the four by twelves, but I guess within the last year and a half, what does your training look like now? Like what does the structure of your training look like? I do a lot of linear progression just because like, I just like how predictable it is. And I like knowing what numbers I'm going to hit. And, you know, and I think like, if it's not broke, don't fix it. And I think the basics work.

But my, my training is like a little bit repetitive I probably only have like like 40 accessories maybe a bit more that I use and I kind of just rotate them in blocks um 40 yeah maybe okay yeah um but yeah just really basic stuff lots of dumbbells not many machines lots of dumbbells and barbells basically wow and then you also mentioned like uh I think it was interesting you mentioned that you you want to get really big but you're finding it really really hard right like you're working to try and get bigger muscles and you can't yeah i think that i mean that's really good point to mention because you're training really fucking hard and like you like i'm not saying you're not jacked but you don't look like massive no no and a lot of women seem to be like scared of even

touching a barbell because they think if i lift a little bit i'm gonna become massive yeah but i think that's like not buying a bike because you don't want to win the tour de france like the risk is low that's a really good way to put it by the way and there's gonna be love that there's gonna be plenty of places to like call it before then you know um but yeah i think that like it doesn't happen overnight and you can stop at any time and it is reversible. So if one day I decide I don't want to be jacked, I can just like detrain, you know? But I think I've definitely had some atrophy since I hurt my back.

And even since I stopped doing bodybuilding movements and have been doing more, you know, like I don't really do a whole lot of like lat raises and like front raises and real ISO exercises. Any idea how you hurt your back? Not really. I just did a really heavy triple that looked amazing. And it was a PR. Deadlift?

Sorry, squat. Sorry. And it looked so good. And I've watched a thousand times and can't pick anything wrong with it. And the next day I just couldn't pick a barbell off the ground. Like we were running a powerlifting meet and I couldn't like set up the warmup room. And then it just didn't get any better at all for like months and months and months. Uh, but I'll be the first to admit that like, um, when you say I'm working really hard to

like gain muscle first to admit, I didn't do everything I could have possibly done to maintain my strength. And I was a bit disheartened and I was like, oh fuck it. I can't squat. I give up on my lower body a bit, you know? Um, so yeah, I wasn't doing as much like belt squatting as I could have in Zetcher squatting. And looking back, is there something you could have avoided maybe? Uh, you know, so, so you wouldn't, I mean, I think it's kind of inevitable you get hurt here and there, but yeah. Yeah. It's so frustrating. Cause no, I don't think so. Like, I feel like my squats

look great, you know, like, I don't know. I don't feel like I did anything different to what I've ever done. And I feel like my volume was appropriate and my recovery was amazing. Cause I was pretty much full-time athlete at the time. Um, so I was just like eating and sleeping perfectly and, um, training really well. And, um, my coach was there with me and was supervised and, you know, I don't know. A lot of times as athletes were, were like, yep, like I did that. I did that one to myself, you know, you can just say like, I can chalk that up to, you know, just not learning from my previous mistakes and i shouldn't have trained today my i was still sore from a previous workout

i felt a tweak in my back i already you know i already knew these things and then sure enough oh me and blow something out but every once in a while you're just like man it was so disappointing you're like i can't figure out where this came from yeah i think sometimes shit just happens do you have like a timeline for, I guess, when you might be wanting to do your next competition? I'm really torn because I kind of want to do nationals this year. But I feel like I want to rebuild my squat. Like I'm not really that interested in staying at a low body weight

for a long time and not getting a lot stronger. And as we know, like the more you can, like you're not really getting stronger in like the month surrounding a meet. You're not really getting stronger when you're doing like heavy singles and doubles and whatever. So I would just love to do like a volume block. So I think the right thing to do would be to take more time off again. Yeah. You ever tried conjugate stuff?

Like Westside stuff? No, not really. Not since I very first started powerlifting. But yeah, I'm definitely open to like changing up the structure of my training. Might be good to throw, to try out for a while. You know, I think that, I think that there's a lot of value in a lot of different training systems, but just when I look at a lot of the lifters that did Westside barbell stuff, I mean, you don't see as many, you know, that do it still to this day, but I personally

feel, and it's probably just my own bias towards it, I personally feel there's a lot less injury from what I've seen from a lot of lifters. There's still lifters that are lifting huge weights that have done it. They've done it for a long time, doing some Westside barbell stuff. But I don't think that you have to all of a sudden

switch over and be like, I'm just doing Westside. I don't think you need to do that. I think the same thing is true with diet. There's a lot of effective ways to diet, and I don't think you need to do that. I think the same thing is true with diet. There's a lot of effective ways to diet, and I don't think you need to be so dogmatic and saying like this, I'm doing this one thing. I think you can utilize many methods.

Yeah, I agree. But mixing in some box squats or something like that, you did great on those today. I think that would be a huge plus for you. Yeah, and I think something I could take away from Westside is how little of the main three that they do and still get strong. They don't even hit full depth squats for the whole prep sometimes.

I think it's so valuable from a mental standpoint. Oh, yeah? People used to ask me all the time, how do you go to the meet? I'm like, how do you do that at the meet? I'm like, well, I'm never worried about it. I train heavy on these other movements. But what's the conversion of a safety squat bar squat with bands to, you know, your free squat? I'm like, I don't know.

Yeah. And I don't care. Yeah. Yeah. It was never something I was really worried about, but I just tried to go as hit like the day was a max effort day. So I just tried to go as heavy as I could with that movement for that particular day. And there was less anxiety. I didn't have a three by three to

do with x amount of weight you know when you look at that in your paper and uh you see that like three weeks down the road you're like holy shit who wrote that in you know my coach wrote that in there for me you're like i don't know if i'm going to be able to hit that and then your training goes pretty good but even when your training is going well you still see that number it comes up and a day before and a couple days before you go in and do the lift, you're kind of talking to yourself. You're like, I don't know if I could do that. Yeah. Yeah.

Is it going to be there on the day? And you don't get that with the Westside stuff. But I think that sounds great and I agree with you. But I think in terms of like my beginners, intermediate clients, they need to have a weight prescribed. Because I put an RPE in there and I put an RPE scale on the program so they can look at it while they're at the gym. And I give them a handbook that explains what RPE is and why we're using it and like whatever. No question. They need direction for sure.

Yeah. And then they send me their squats and I'm like, bro, you could have done 40 of them. Like that was pointless. Yeah. It's hard for, especially a beginner individual, it's hard for them to really gauge what's tiring and what's like, you don't know your limit yet. You don't even know when you're close to it. No.

Yeah. Yeah. And if you haven't been around other people who are training, you know, like grinding reps, then like you might not know that anyone does that. Yeah. Honestly. So you've been training lift,

not lifting, but you've been doing powerlifting training for two years. Yeah. Two and a half maybe. And how long have you been doing lifting in general? How many years? I'm taking a punt. I feel like every time someone asks me, I give a different answer. Maybe like since 2015, so maybe five, four or five years. Four or five years. Yeah. Honestly, like I guess the linear progression still makes sense because it feels, I think since you've been doing powerlifting for such a little amount of

time and yeah, you've gained a lot of strength. It's crazy to say, but you're still probably in a lower intermediate level lifter in terms of how much you can gain. You know what I mean? Cause like, I think that that was the case for me, even when I, like, I think I managed to pull seven something at a point. I still, I wasn't an advanced lifter at that point. I still think I had so much left. I was probably an intermediate level lifter at that time just because there was so much i could have continued to get stronger with yeah yeah but i think too like when you're a small female if i put 10 on my total in a year that's only a few kilos but if you put 10 on your totals in a year like that's a lot and so i and i say it to my clients with bench a lot i'm like

ma'am like once you get to a certain level if you can put like five pounds a year. Like that's a lot. And so I, and I say it to my clients with bench a lot. I'm like, man, like once you get to a certain level, if you can put like five pounds a year on your bench, like you're nailing it, you know, especially if you're like a light body weight. So yeah, it's hard to imagine that like there's another 10 kilos in my bench press, you know, at this body weight. But yeah, but I think there's like some number of milestones that I want to hit that I will gain weight to do. Like I want to hit a hundred kilo bench. Oh shit. What's your bench right now? 92 and a half is my best bench in the gym.

Okay. But which is like 203 pounds or something, I think. But yeah, I'd love to hit that hundred kilos. And if I have to get heavy to do that, like I'll probably do it. Okay. I want to tell my grandkids I benched a hundred kilos. Yeah. How's the deadlift?

Yeah, it feels good. It was always my worst lift. And I think it was the one that not having a coach for so long, I picked up a lot of bad habits and it took a really long time to get those habits out. And I wasn't disciplined enough to take a step back, bring the weight down, nail it, and then build my strength back up. But I feel like it's getting there now.

What do you think about the other females, how strong everybody's getting? It's been unbelievable, right? Yeah. Like how long have you been in powerlifting for? Only like two and a half years. Yeah, like even in that time span. Oh, wild.

Like you said you lifted at hybrid, right? Yeah. What do you think of someone like Steph Cohen? Wild, wild. Would she squat like 550 or something or 520? What was it? I don't even remember now. Yeah. It was something crazy. Wild. Wild. What did she squat, like 550 or something? Or 520? What was it? I don't even remember now. Yeah.

It was something crazy. Yeah. Another world record. She's got like 30 of them or something. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then like my friend, she, so what I totaled at my first ever novice comp, she won nationals

with that total like six years ago. Whatever. That's a joke in nationals now. You know, like the standards just like through the roof and it's going to continue to be. Yeah. We're all going to get left behind. Oh, it's terrible. That's why I got out of the way.

And he's like, I'm going to do something different. I'm just going to roll with men all day. Tie people up like a pretzel. We all know that this is a fact is that women don't poop, right? Like women don't women don't use the toilet. Like we all don't poop. Yeah, we't women don't use the toilet like we all don't poop yeah we like we've seen the book everyone poops but we learned later on that that's not true women don't poop right yeah that's true absolutely before we go on this road because this is a long dirt road

this is going to be a long shitty road uh in your case you have uh i guess a history of poop since you were young correct like there's it started in the youth it did so i think we're going to probably have about five poop stories oh my gosh are we sharing them all yeah yeah yeah well we agreed prior to this podcast that we would omit the ones that uh involve criminal activity oh so that's where i draw the line okay well let's start from the beginning with Young Page's first ever poop story. I mean, how big could you possibly poop? You're a very small person. No, I poop like a rabbit and it's gotten me in trouble before.

So when I was, I'm very public about the fact that I was an exotic dancer, a stripper for quite some time. And I was, I'm very public about the fact that I was an exotic dancer, a stripper for quite some time. And I remember, so I don't do one big poop a day. And I don't, I've never really pooped a log. I'm a rabbit pooper. You mean never? You've never pooped a log? I may have.

Maybe if like I was unwell. Okay. Like that's me with diarrhea. Okay. Okay. But you just poop often, maybe. Yes, exactly. Frequently. Yeah. I'm a grazing pooper. Can you give us a hand size of how big they generally are? Okay Like that's me with diarrhea Okay But you just poop often Maybe Yes exactly Frequently

I'm a grazing pooper Can you give us a hand size Of how big they generally are Anywhere between A speck that's so small That I'll like send a photo To my friends To be like

Look how pathetic this is And like this is like a big one Small pellets That's big Okay So Probably has something to do With my terrible diet

So I don't do one big poop a day I do a few little poops throughout the day. And I go to pee and I get like two surprises. Kind of like my dog. You go to pee and you get some surprises. Yeah, right. So I go in there for one thing. I get more than I bargained for and I get out of bed.

That's tricky when you're a guy and you're standing up. Oh, yeah. Whoops. Oh, yeah. I better turn around and take care of the rest of them. Yep. So I was doing a private function as a stripper

and I hated private functions so much and I wouldn't do them. So I would just over quote. I'd be like, look, I do them, but like, it's going to be a grand.

I'm only going to be there for an hour and a half and then occasionally they'd be like, okay, and I'm like, oh, fuck, now I've got to do it, right?

So I went to a private function. I had a security guard to come with me and the guys were the nicest guys ever. They were amazing and I got there and it's like an hour and a half drive from where I live and I'm addicted to Coke Zero. And so by the time I got there, I'd had like a lot of Coke Zero and I was like, man, I need to pee. Like I was busting. And it was like a surprise for the guy's birthday.

So I get there and he's like, oh my God, it's bike a video. I can't believe it. Like it's my birthday. This is the best time ever. And I'm like, yeah, can I use the toilet? Like like now i was busting so i went in there just to pee and i just had like one little rabbit poop come out and i was like that's okay and the guys are like we need to pee too like they're all drinking and they're like banging on the door i'm like no worries so i flushed the toilet a floater floater and i was like fuck like because you only get two flushes don't? Anyone two flushes and people think you have a problem. So I'm like, man, okay, I'm going to be smart here. I'm going to. It's also, yeah, very risky because it might overflow and everything.

Yeah, right. So I'm like, okay, I'll put like a heap of toilet paper on it to like help push it down the toilet. So I did. Nothing. All toilet paper went down and my little buoyant poop remained. And I was like, like, I'm out of flushes. I'm out of flushes. And I thought, I'm going to give it one more and then shit's going to go down.

And so I pretended to blow my nose. And I was like blowing my nose in there thinking maybe they'll think toilet paper, you know. Flushed it. No, still there. Like as if they're waiting outside the door. Yeah, there was a queue. There was a queue. And they're banging on the door and I'm like, oh my God.

And this is like the most pressure I've ever been under in my life. So I did what any woman would do. I fished it out. And I put it in the bin. It was horrible. Did you maybe wrap like a little bit of the toilet paper around? No, I didn't want to hold it for that long. I just put toilet paper on top of it.

No, there was no barrier. It was just bareback. And the guys later talked about like, remember we had that stripper and she like had her poop in the garbage bag? Right. Oh, bad. Oh, God. Bad. But I feel like a lot of my poop stories are very much revolved around dancing and my time

as a dancer. Well, yeah, you know, you have to be careful. Yeah, you do. You do have to be careful. Yeah. And there's been accidents. Not me, but there's been accidents. But there was this one girl that we worked with once.

I said I wouldn't tell this story, but. Yeah. There's a girl with a social media following about the size of mine and she was super hot and her and I kind of had a bit of a thing together right and she was um I mean all strippers love money we know that but she was like she was like money hungry and she would do anything for the money and so she would convince customers like she really wanted to date them and whatever so you would get regular customers and they would kind of come and go. Some would last years, some would last weeks.

And sometimes they were often giving you, you know, I had one guy who would come and book me for nine hours at $400 an hour and he was traveling six hours each way to come and see me and he was coming for years. And she put, like, customers and their money before any of her friendships or anything. So it took us a while, but eventually we worked out that she was, trying to turn all of our customers against us and saying like, oh, Paige said these horrible things about you and Paige sold the jewelry that you bought her and Paige, you know, like she was kind of, and sometimes the things were true. Like maybe we had kind of complained about our customers to your friends. Like everyone in every industry does

that. Um, but a lot of it was just completely made up. And so we found out about it. I said, my friends, I said, don't tell her that we know. And they were like, oh, this isn't good. Cause there's been some revenge poops in the past. Like I have a history of this. And they were like, all right, do your thing. Do your thing. We'll leave it with you.

So we used to do what we call a lesbian show. And so you'd have like a Bucks party or a Bachelor party. And you would pretend to go down on each other. And it was quite fake. Like your hair is kind of covering everything and whatever. But your face is still in close contact. But everything's very clean because like we're baby wiping all the time. Like an unhealthy amount.

Like every time you pee, you baby wipe a lot, you know. And then sometimes for a lot of extra money, this girl and I would just pretend to eat each other's butts. Right. And we were nowhere near each other because, like, cheeks are so big, like you don't have to really get in there, right? So one night on the way to work, I stopped by a drugstore and I grabbed some laxatives.

Oh, no. And I took them and I pooped and I did not wipe. And mind you, I had to walk around unwiped, undiarrheal wiped, for some time to get the timing perfect. That's commitment. And we got into this, and I knew the guys wouldn't be able to see it, but I knew that she would fucking know about it. So we went in there and she's going down on me,

like pretending to, whatever, it's fine. And then I turn around, she's pretending to eat my ass, and she goes to me, she whispers to me, have you just shat recently? And I said, no, oh, my God, no. One of the guys probably farted. Do it again. And she did.

Twice she did it. And then at the end of it, she came back and she's like, dude, I think you've, like, shit yourself. And I said, yeah, it was on purpose. And that's how we told her, and that was her last night working there. She changed clubs. Oh, God. Yeah.

By the way, I left out the most important part. Jess has just reminded me it was visible on her face yeah yeah jesus yeah it was bad oh no okay that were there any other revenge poops that weren't crying um no i think that's it i think that's it yeah okay okay how about um couch poops oh see some of these no one knows about and if they hear this podcast they're gonna know about it but i lived in a share house with like a group of dudes and um it was a fun house and we had like a suede couch and one day i was sitting with like kind of like a little bit reclined with my feet up against I guess my butt, like I don't know. And I farted. And I had no symptoms of any kind of diarrhea.

And just liquid came out. And I was wearing like sexy like mesh undies that weren't that sexy anymore after this. And it just went straight through the mesh. And I was like, that is like liquid. Like what the hell? So I cleaned it like as best I could. I don't know what I used.

Maybe like a wet towel or something. Cleaned it. And then a few weeks later, we were having like a, like we were drinking heavily at our house. We were having like a party. And we're talking about this massive couch that we had. And these guys go, the guys are like, oh, which is your favorite spot? Like, you know, some of the guys are fighting over the same spot all the time.

And I said, oh, I don't mind all of them except for that one because it smells like shit. And they were like, what do you mean because it smells like shit and they were like what do you mean it smells like shit i'm like smell it bro and so one of the guys told me he's like it literally smells like shit like it hurts my eyes and i was like told you dog gotta flip that uh cushion over yeah right so that that's what got the name pageagie Poo. That's what my family call me, yeah. But I don't know. I really like poo story and I think it's like

intimate to share a poo story with someone. Like if a girl sends me a photo of her poop, I'm like, damn, we're on a level. You know, you haven't sent any other bitches photos of your poop. Like I'm special. You guys are bonding. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, absolutely. It's intimate. Well, it was awesome having you here today.

I really appreciate you sharing all kinds of crazy stuff with us. Your lift route story was awesome. Your poop stories were on another level. On another level. Appreciate it. Where can people find you? My Instagram is bikerbiddy, not bikerbirdy, as Ed Cohen came up to me and called me in that pro role.

Bikerbiditty um i'm on all the socials but i mostly use instagram by the way what's a bitty a bitty is like a really annoying chick that like you just want to fuck off yeah pretty much okay yes that's me where can people find you andrew uh you guys can hit me up on instagram at i am andrew z please make sure you're following the podcast at Mark Bell's Power Project Podcast. That's also on Instagram. Huge shout out to Perfect Keto for sponsoring this episode. Head over to PerfectKeto.com slash Power Project.

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Nice. Yes. Yes. So we'll talk about that more. Absolutely. But, uh, yeah.

And see my young and Instagram and YouTube and see my young on Tik TOK and Twitter. Yeah. Congratulations, dude. Thank you. That's's fantastic thank you so much uh beaten uh chad wesley smith um was there anything about uh grappling with him that surprised you i was assuming he was going to be strong really strong which he was. But when I was actually rolling with him, it wasn't really that bad. It wasn't too surprising. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, you know, trying to convert your strength over to the mat versus what you can do in powerlifting, I would imagine are very, very separate things. I asked him how the match went. I was teasing him and stuff going back and forth but he just said that like he just couldn't get your hand he couldn't get your hands off of him you know you had you had your your hand like i think uh maybe like under his like

neck or collar collar and a sleeve yeah and he was just like i just he like i didn't have any defense or strategy to to get that to get him off of me. And I thought it was actually really cool because Chad is a very technical person. We know from his lifting background. He's a very technical person. And he basically just admitted he was way stronger than me and I didn't have a defense for it. I thought that was really – That's really surprising.

I thought that was a cool compliment because I'm like, damn, like Chad would never say he's not strong enough for something unless it was like 100% true. Oh, man, that makes me feel good. I'm surprised about that. He said, yeah, just lack of experience and then not having a defense to get those big old meat hooks off of him. Anyway, congratulations, dude. I think that's a big deal. I know, you know, you, you, you've had a lot of success in jujitsu already, but I just think that things like this are just another kind of feather in your cap towards the ultimate goal and getting your black belt and all that stuff. So congratulations. Super awesome. Thank you. We're all pumped and proud of you. I think that's really cool. Thank you.

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