Mark Bell's Power Project - EP. 368 - Addictions During Quarantine ft. Dr. Drew

Episode Date: April 15, 2020

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Power Project crew, welcome to today's show. Today is April 10th, and it is with an awesome guest. You might know him from Loveline, 16 and Pregnant, the one and only Dr. Drew. Despite what you might know about him as far as his celebrity status, his Hollywood persona, he actually is a practicing doctor. He is a legit, real doctor. So he has a lot of information about the coronavirus. We did ask him about a little bit of the controversy about what his views were when he first learned about the virus to what they are now.

of like, you know, like I said, controversy or like just bashing him online because he started saying it wasn't that serious. And now he is saying it's that serious. And he didn't shy away from the question. So, he answered that. So, if you're interested, that's what you have to look forward to. But also, we were able to kind of cross-reference some of the things that we've been hearing from the previous doctors that we've had on. And again, you know, like we said with those doctors, they're just different views and opinions. They're different perspectives. And Dr. Drew has a different perspective than they do. So take what you want from those episodes, implement it in your life if you choose to

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I'm eating a lot of Piedmontese hamburgers, though. Yeah, yesterday, I think it was yesterday smokey and i were talking about the flat iron steaks and like man if only it was like a 32 ounce flat iron steak that you know and he's like you know what i think it would have to be like a three foot by three foot steak and i'm like i think we're on to something because that sounds perfect big old yeah i know you guys don't eat carbs but i've just been eating uh like very large quesadillas with one tortilla so it's not like two tortillas but very fat quesadillas with quesadillas with their brown ground beef and i've been loving that

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Yes, sir. And we are still dealing with this Corona virus. And today we got Dr. Drew Penske on the show today. And I'm really looking forward to having him on. Dr. Drew, he's been around for a long time. You know, he's popular through Loveline. He did a lot of stuff with like MTV. He's kind of an original broadcaster, both radio and podcasts. I mean, he's, he's been around the block.

He's been around for a long time and he's somebody that is he's somebody I think a lot of people look to whenever there's, whenever there's viruses going around, whenever there's disease, I think he's been a reliable source for a long time. And he's somebody that fortunately for me that I got to know, I got, we got to go visit his, his home and do a podcast with him and stuff like that. So he's he's a great resource and I'm honored to have him on the show today. I think this is going to be a lot of fun. Something I want to point out first of all, though,

I know that he's surrounded in a little bit of controversy at the moment. We're not sure if he's going to speak about it at all because it is a kind of a, I guess, a personal issue that may have turned into some litigation. So we'll see what he's going to say or not say in those terms. But I just, I first off want to, you know, share with people that have to be really careful with the people that you listen to. And if you're really careful with how much steak, quote unquote, that you put into anyone or anything, you know. So I have been kind of hearing people talking about the news and they're like, the news is crushing us. The news is killing us.

And that's actually not true. The news is reporting information. The news is trying to get people to watch stuff but if the news is crushing you or if you feel the news is crushing anything you are dealing with a misconception because remember we've talked about this before on this podcast no one or no thing can make you feel any type of way it's it's your own thought processes it's your own interpretations of what's going on so whether it's something that dr drew says or is dr, it doesn't matter where it comes from. You know, have your own interpretation of what's going on.

Dr. Drew, what's going on there, buddy? Can you hear us yet? I hear you loud and clear. Awesome. Great to have you on the show today. Thank you so much. We got my boy Nsema. He's the guy in the blue tank top. And my boy Andrew, the other guy with the show today uh thank you so much we got my boy uh in sema he's the guy in the blue tank top and my boy andrew the other guy with the microphone there got you guys

yeah thanks for coming on today man but i wanted to get some of your uh thought processes on you know everything that's going on in the coronavirus thing we're hearing some reports that people are saying you know it's uh this crazy pandemic and you got some other people saying it's not, you know, it's being blown out of proportion. What are some of your thoughts on it? Well, I mean, the numbers are looking good. They're looking really good. And I think once we get into the side of this,

it's going to be two views of the world, which is one group saying that we overreacted and, you know, my job's lost, my business is lost for something that ended up being, having the numbers or equivalent numbers of the, you know, any other viral outbreak. And then there's going to be another group that says, hey, we kicked this thing's ass. It's because we took such aggressive measures. We got it. And I don't know that it's going to be any how you reconcile those two points of views. The fact is, it was a it was a terror. It's a

terrible illness. The one thing I knew from the beginning is that I, you know, I've been in healthcare so long in this country, I know how resilient our healthcare system is. I know how we innovate and improvise. And I knew my peers would come up with novel treatments that would be effective. I just knew it. And now you're starting to see that. And I think in the next few days, we'll start to see the death rate really go down, which will be nice. Do you think the quarantine was, was a wise move? I think it worked. I think it worked. Well, in terms of wise, I mean, it depends what the consequences are on the other side. Right.

And I we're still a little in the fog of war here. Yeah. I think that's one of the main things that's going on right now is that, yeah, we're still in the middle of it. We don't know, like, you know, what if there's another outbreak or something like that? So we're still figuring out the numbers, right? The harder part of this whole thing is how do we get back to work? How do we do that without causing another spike? I mean, apparently in the Spanish flu, the second spike was actually more deleterious. And so, you know you know we have to have to have really widespread testing and all kinds of guidelines and we're still going to have to do social distancing and wear masks and all these things

but and we won't be going to you know sporting events for a while but hopefully we can get back to work soon hopefully yeah why do you go ahead why do you think in think in California it hasn't hit us as hard as it did in New York? There's a bunch of reasons. There's some data coming out of Stanford that is speculating that we already had a certain degree of herd immunity here. I mean, particularly in Southern California, we were getting thousands of flights, thousands of passengers from flights from Wuhan every day through December and January, and how we could not have developed some herd immunity almost defies imagination. But the degree to which we have herd immunity, that has to be tested. And Stanford is looking at that very carefully right now.

A lot of Asian people where I live, so amen to that. Yeah, yeah. And number two, and I hope they're staying well. I'm just stunned at the weird racism that has emerged towards Asians. To me, that's just disgusting. But anyway, so the herd immunity. The other thing is, there's clearly something unique in New York, I went, oh my God, no one has thought about elevators. Well, elevators primarily. And as you look into the regions that were just decimated, the kinds of living environments there, small elevators and small unventilated hallways. I mean, each one of these things is just a box holding virus for probably two hours. And I think that's what happened. And I read some data out of Wuhan that said that was one of their major transmitter vectors

as well, was the elevator. And here we're all in our own cars. We, you know, our leaders told us to stay home. We did it. To me, I think there needs to be a really a round of applause for, you know, think about this. Other countries either needed a catastrophe like Italy or they needed an authoritarian government to come in and go, you know, and brick you into your living room to do this. In America, we just our leaders said, hey, we got to get together on behalf of each other.

I don't want you infecting other people. We want you safe. Stay home. And we all went, OK, we'll do that. We listened to our leaders. We did it. And it worked. It's amazing. And we all went, okay, we'll do that. We listened to our leaders. We did it, and it worked. It's amazing. Are you able to comment at all about the way that you've been portrayed in the media? I realize someone has edited some of your videos together to portray a certain thing. What happened there, if you can comment on it?

Just that they took a lot of stuff out of context. They made a lot of it. I got wrong, the ferocity of the illness, but my numbers looking like they're going to turn out okay. So we'll see. We'll see if my numbers end up being right. You know, it's all that's out of my hands. Well, being a doctor, I mean, it certainly doesn't ensure that you're always going to be correct on stuff right off the bat. I mean, a lot of what you guys do, you know, it's a tough job. You're in a very, very, I mean, people's livelihood is put into your hands. And you have a great, a wide array of knowledge and you do the best you possibly can with the most certainty that you can.

And I could see the panic coming. I could see that the panic could end up worse than the actual outbreak. And that was concerning me. It continues to concern me. People, we're going to have a mental health crisis on the other side of this. And I'm very concerned about that. And we have upended people's lives and we'll see. We'll see. You know, maybe I'll be right or wrong about that. I don't know. I hope I'm wrong about that too. How are you staying strong mentally? Are you able to still exercise and do some of your favorite things?

I started running again. It's turned out that's been very helpful for my mood and anxiety. You know, it's the weather's been crap here. So, and, and because of, you know, we had started getting very very serious threats and so my wife won't let me go outside anymore for a while so you know that's been fine uh my kids are flipped out completely and you know blaming me for them being threatened so it's been great it's been good times yeah mine's got to be rough i didn't think about that factor but yeah it's got to be hard you know dr drew um obviously you deal with a lot of individuals that

have addiction like that's been you you've been on shows that deal with that sex rehab etc and i'm curious right now because as people are stuck inside um a lot of old addictions may be coming back alcohol we talk a lot about porn on this show and I just want to get, I want to, I want to get an understanding of maybe what you're seeing there and the downfall that you might be seeing there, because there's, if you look at stats on Pornhub, apparently searches have gone up by like 12 to 13%. It's kind of wild. Well, I think though, though it is wild, but you, but not unanticipated, right?

That makes sense. I would kind of look at that numbers and go, hey, it's only a 12% increase. I thought you were going to tell me 200%. So, you know, already, I guess we're saturated with porn, right? And so a 12% increase. And again, it's a 12% increase from a pretty big number, to be fair. Yeah. So I don't

know what to make of it yet. I had not given them that much thought. I've been worrying about the drug addicts. And we're seeing, you know, alcohol go up, we're seeing weed go up, we're seeing a lot of, you know, and the government's leaving dispensaries and liquor stores open as essential services. And they can't go to meetings. So they're all the meetings are online. And that's creating a mixed experience for people. Some people really like it, some people are not doing well with it so it's all over the place but i've not given thought to the porn thing i'll keep an eye on that along those lines with the the porn and stuff uh we keep seeing on the news and the memes about how sex can help either prevent or just help in general with the coronavirus is there any legitimacy to that please say yes well it couldn't hurt uh but but i and what would not help is sex with um

novel partners right because that's not social distancing but if it's your regular partner i think it sounds like a good thing in terms of uh generally enhance your health generally in terms of generally enhance your health generally in terms of what you're seeing in in Los Angeles you know I know I know basically here in California the numbers are pretty good what's the take in Los Angeles let me you know I don't have specific numbers for LA I've noticed that Mayor Garcetti continues to paint doomsday type scenarios for the next two weeks. I don't see that. I don't get it. I don't know why he's saying that. But to be fair to him, his job is to look at the worst case scenario. And both he and Governor Newsom have kept their eye on that ball to the benefit of all of us. And at the beginning when, you know,

Newsom was writing letters to, you know, President Trump about the tens of millions of people that were going to get sick. And I thought, I thought, I don't think that's going to happen, but I'm glad he's making that case. So he's ready for the worst case scenario. That's his job. The rest of us can look at reality a little bit. And so when I look at the numbers today, I'm looking at California numbers. We are easily, easily meeting our needs for hospital beds and ICU beds and ventilators. We're just, all beds needed right now is about 4,500.

The deaths per day is peaking in five days, and it's dropping. It dropped yesterday, and we'll see where it goes the next couple of days. There is so much novel therapeutics that are working out there. I'm talking to lots ofics that are working out there. I'm talking to lots of doctors that are working with COVID. It may well be the death rate will drop precipitously because of those great treatments that people are getting, having really significant success with. What are the treatments? You know, the hydroxychloroquine, there's a lot of enthusiasm for that. And certain antivirals that we used to use for HIV and Ebola.

There's some anecdote with that. But the big breakthrough really seems to be these anti-cytokine agents that we normally use for rheumatic diseases. They're using for this what is being called a cytokine storm. It's kind of like a vasculitis that the virus triggers in some people. storm. It's kind of like a vasculitis that the virus triggers in some people. And they're learning how to take inflammatory mediators that tell them who's at risk for certain kinds of cytokine activation, and then use a medication. All those medicines you see on TV today, you know, for psoriasis and arthritis and Crohn's disease and all that, these are those same classes of medicine that we're now throwing at COVID.

And it's been like, I guess, the individuals that have been having it, has it been seen to reverse it relatively quickly? Or what exactly are they seeing there? Does it work on just a case-by-case basis? It's a case-by-case. I'm going to talk to a guy this afternoon that's doing a lot of this on my streaming show at drdrew.com if you want to hear an in-depth conversation about it.

I'm really going to get into the weeds with him about which ones are working, how he determines whether they work, what the time course. What he has told me thus far is that he's been able to get 100% of people off ventilators even when he gets his hands on people late in their disease course. And he is keeping people off ventilators and out of the hospital. So these are the numbers that we should see very soon that really, that's a big deal. If those numbers start, keep going that way, we're going to be in very good shape. Man, that's huge. That's, that's, that's some, that's some fantastic information right there. If it turns out to be true. And again, you know, know dr oz i've been communicating with him on a regular basis i just got a text from him in fact he is very hot on the uh hydroxychloroquine and i think he's going to be advocating for it as a um prophylactic agent too yeah he's he just

texted me about the fact that the he's very he's working hard with the french researchers and he thinks that to some extent the hydroxychloroquine is working on the same system as these rheumatic medications. My current frustration is rheumatologists have a ton of experience dealing with these kinds of medications and with vasculitis. They're highly trained with vasculitis, but they are ensconced in their outpatient setting. They never go in a hospital. So trying to get them into an ICU right now is extremely frustrating. Have to wrap them up in some bubble wrap or something. Send a Mark Bell in.

You kind of alluded to it a little bit before, but I want to know if you and the individuals that you talked to a lot about this have gone into kind of what life would look like after this quarantine. Obviously obviously we don't know how long we're going to be in quarantine but things like concerts big gatherings etc even potentially going to movie theaters that might be totally changed after all i know what is the scope that you see this getting to potentially well there's no doubt uh see i don't understand how we get out of this. I've heard Dr. Burks and Dr. Fauci, who are the people you should be listening to, they're there should be your North Stars, I've said from the beginning, allude to what they plan to do, they're going to go from mitigation

to containment and isolation. So it's going to be old fashioned infectious disease practices, like what we used to do with tuberculosis, we would take we'd find somebody tuberculosis, we'd identify everyone that they had contact with. We'd isolate all of them. You put the TB patient in a special hospital away from everybody else. Those are the kinds of things we're going to be doing. We're still not going to be shaking hands. We're still going to be social distancing.

I predict masks are going to be rather routine, especially if you're using an elevator. An elevator is the enemy right now. And I don't see gatherings for a while. I mean, maybe, you know, maybe not until we have a vaccine. I don't know. But there will be a vaccine and there will be gatherings again. I just don't know when again, that's going to be up to the it's gonna be up to the CDC. What do you think about some of these theories that this is a manmade virus? You have any thoughts on that? All the virologists I talk to tell me

that we don't know how to make something like this. So there's certain earmarks, apparently, that make it specifically a Mother Nature operation. I'm not enough of a virologist to understand what they were talking about, but they were saying that this clearly came from nature. So that's what I've heard. That may or may not be right. But that's my understanding of the current moment. You know, we talked a lot about like lifestyle stuff on this show. And with people being quarantined, there's a lot of people that

we've talked about, you know, go out, get some exercise, get some sun, all of that type of stuff. You mentioned a little bit about alcohol addiction, and other types of addictions that might be, you know, amplified because of all of this. So for individuals that may be going through things like that, what are some spark note ideas of like that you think that people should be doing right now to get out of or get their minds in a better place? Because we don't know how long we're going to be in this situation. I'm surprised how much outdoor and sunlight is important for myself. And I've certainly advocated that for patients over the years. But there's something about not being indoors right now. And it's hard, again, if you're in a rainy area or a cold area. And we know also, by the way, that this virus doesn't like vitamin D. So there's two good things to be accrued from going out in the sun.

And I think doing something strenuous, raising your endorphin levels, running. Again, I haven't been running for a long time, and I started up again. And it's made such a difference. I haven't run in about four days, and I'm deeply screwed up again. I need to get back out there. Um, call reaching out to people. This is not, you know, lifestyle and exercise stuff, but reaching out to people you haven't connected with in a while can be very important right now. We all are kind of, we have time. So now's the time,

reach out. Um, you'll be surprised how much good that does. Of course, for the addicts and alcoholics, that's that their life depends upon that. So they're doing it in all kinds of ways. And, you know, then it's really hard because normally you'd say, you know, reprioritize and, you know, take care of the people you love. But the people you love, you're all stuck in a room and people start to drive each other crazy. So those conflicts are starting to emerge because of this containment. So the other thing is to, you know, I'm skipping that step, though that certainly would be nice if you can do that, but try to find a way to make a difference.

I mean, you notice a lot of people are doing lots of good things, and it really does, if you can reach out in certain ways, if you can participate in any ways, you'll be surprised. It gives you at least purpose in the midst of all this. And the other thing that we're missing is future. We don't have a lot of hope. We're being told by our leaders that, oh, no, no, we don't know when it's going to end. That's a terrible mental health message for people. They need to know if it's going to be six weeks, tell us how that six weeks is going to work. It's going to be two weeks and we'll reassess.

Tell us what goals we need to meet to get to that two-week spot where we can start to return to work. This business of, oh no, surge is coming, surge is coming, and then empty set going forward, that's bad. That's not good for us. We've had a string of guests recently that have been very open about saying they're not scared of COVID-19 whatsoever because they're saying that everyone who's had a hard time with it has had an underlying factor that really is the cause of death or cause of issue. And my question for you is, can you have one without the other? Meaning, if it's a respiratory issue and then they contract COVID-19 and then they die, these doctors are these doctors are saying like, oh, no, it actually

wasn't the cause of death was COVID-19. It was these other ones. But the way I see it, it's like, okay, like, did it just amplify what was already there? Or is it really like not a factor at all? No, I think your point of view is accurate, right? And so, if you have a heart attack because you've got the inflammatory cascade from the COVID, you would not have had that heart attack had you not had the COVID. You might have had cardiac problems down the road and you would have had normal, natural history of cardiac pathology. You wouldn't have suddenly crashed the way the COVID causes.

But your point about underlying conditions is actually really interesting. I think we're starting to think that, you know, they keep saying hypertension, diabetes, obesity. I'm beginning to think obesity may be the number one. Look at the pictures that when you see people's, you know, the testimonials and testimonials, look at the people that are dying of this thing. A lot of weight in here around the neck, a lot of obesity, and the diabetes and hypertension is related to the obesity. And I think the obesity might be the real problem that somehow, because we know adipose is an inflammatory organ, right? That's what we always tell people.

You want to get that central obesity? You want to get that down because that's inflammatory. Well, guess what? When you have an inflammatory activation and you have a big burden of adipose, it really seems to amplify that problem. That doesn't mean, though, that if you're a thin, healthy person, you can't have complications. You can. And we are really trying to figure out if we can identify any genetic profiling that helps us understand who might be at more risk than somebody else. that helps us understand who might be at more risk than somebody else.

What do you think in terms of like, you know, from a mental health point of view, just people trying to have a schedule because I think that's like what everyone's been sort of like, quote unquote robbed of, you know, having a job, you know, that you'd have to be at eight o'clock in the morning, you know, it gave you a routine and now we don't have one, but I think it's, everyone should treat it as their job to make their own schedule.

Now make shit up for yourself to do basically. Yeah, that's right. No, I, I a hundred percent agree that, that, uh, we're robbed of our daily experience, our daily structure and, you know, that structure is another thing that people need to maintain their mental health. And then we're robbed of what our future is. It's just like if you look forward, you just see nothing. You see the fog of war.

But I want to be clear that I've been saying that this was the week that the fog of war kind of lifts. And people should start to feel optimistic that we are, you know, essentially, you know the fog of war is, are we winning or are we losing? We are winning, we are winning and we should congratulate ourselves and look forward to this continuing to win and maybe be surprised by the, the timeframe in which we can return to work. With your area of expertise, you know, again, being in addiction, are some of the people that, you know, would normally be getting help at this time? Are they having difficulty getting help just because? Yeah, yeah, there's a couple things.

Well, we noticed, first of all, a lot of the programs are shut down. There was a lot of outpatient treatment, and outpatient treatment was just couldn't be managed properly, and just a lot of it got shut down. So availability of services is one thing. But on the other hand, the more inpatient or residential-style programs, I'm hearing when I ask around that they filled up very quickly. People are hiding out from the virus and in doing so, thinking, well, let me look at some treatment while I'm at it. I don't know how sincere they are in getting treatment, but they're going into treatment. On the homeless front, we're seeing

that the gangs are scared to go out on the streets. So the drug supply dried up. And now the homeless are willing to go into treatment too. So there's a whole kind of wave of people going in at the same time as there's people that are subacute that would be getting outpatient treatment that are having just to do online meetings and online telemedicine and that kind of stuff, which is not that optimal, but we'll see. We'll see how that works out. And then the most vulnerable population are the sort of newly sober, the ones that are really fragile and maybe in their first six months of abstinence. That's a group that is struggling right now and also by the long-term sober the very long-term sober who had that structure you're talking about they've gone to meetings you know

every day there for the last 20 years and had their coffee group twice a week and when when that went away they they didn't do well they either stopped doing everything or they kind of unraveled a little bit what's something uh people could do, you know, like at this time, you know, if they are, you know, relapsing and or somebody who's been considering like I'm going on Monday. And then when they decided to go on Monday, this quarantine happened. Yeah. Yeah. It's crazy. Right. It's hard. I, there's no, there's no like easy answer here.

I would say there's multiple resources now. Everyone's trying to get stuff out online. If you just look up 12-step meetings online, there are Zoom meetings everywhere. Every hour of the day, there's stuff you can do. And some of my patients that sort of don't like meetings because of social phobia and that sort of thing love these Zoom meetings. They really dig them. So it depends on you and what you need, but you can get a lot out of it, more than I expected. So that's good news.

And SAMHSA and other organizations, SAMHSA is the mental health limb of the federal government. Let me look up what SAMHSA stands for. I always forget. S-A-M-H-S-A. SAMHSA.gov is the website, is the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration. They have lots of stuff online. The National Institute of Mental Health has lots of stuff online. SAMHSA, my understanding, is about to try to push out a big telemedicine program.

So you should be able to get therapists and psychiatrists essentially for nothing through that. So if you're early and you need medication adjustment and try to work with your own doctors to do things on the phone or by Zoom, there's a lot you can do, particularly with somebody you're connected to. You know, I'm curious about this. Since you've worked with so many individuals that have had substance abuse and alcohol abuse, et cetera, in other countries, they allow individuals to get their hands on alcohol at an earlier age, which, and I might be wrong about this, but typically those countries don't have as big of an issue as the U.S. Am I right in that or am I wrong? That is the mythology.

The reality is the countries like Italy and France have the highest incidence of alcoholic liver disease in the world, the highest incidence of death from alcohol in the world. They are a mess in terms of the effect of alcohol, and they don't identify any of death from alcohol in the world. They are a mess in terms of the effect of alcohol, and they don't identify any of it as alcoholism. They just call it Joe that likes wine. But they have extremely high consequences from the alcohol. So this bears out the research that shows that even in adolescent mice, if you expose them in the sort of 8 to 12 window, they have something like an eightfold increase in difficulty managing the relationship with alcohol. In mice, the same thing is true in humans, that the earlier exposed, the more likely you are to have trouble controlling your relationship with alcohol.

And then these countries that claim that they control it, their data shows exactly the opposite, apparently. Now, that leads me, I want to get your opinion on this then, because obviously some people can control themselves around alcohol and many people can't. That's why it causes so many deaths, et cetera, addiction here. Do you think there needs to be something like a different type of policy when it comes to selling alcohol here in the United States

with how dangerous, you know, how dangerous it can be? Or is it is you just got to help the people that need help with it? You know, I'm, it's a really, I'm not so interested in the government, you know, being up on our in our lives that way. What I'd rather we do is my profession get better at identifying people genetically, because we know it's a series of genes that puts people at risk for this. And if we could do some sort of testing, you know, ahead of time, and we actually do a pretty good job of this already. I mean, you can look at family histories and pretty much detect who's going to have a problem. And the kids kind of know

themselves in adolescence that they kind of have an unusual relationship and momentum with substances. Unfortunately, all that knowledge doesn't do much to prevent the activation of the disease. It can, but it doesn't necessarily. So that's a whole area of research that needs to be advanced, which is the prevention. You must have learned a tremendous amount about yourself through helping people with addiction over the years. about yourself through helping people with addiction over the years. What, what habits have you been able to break maybe in terms of like your nutrition or in terms of other things?

And maybe you didn't even realize they were a huge problem until you got down the line with your practice where you're like, Holy shit, I have addictions as well. Yeah. I think I thankfully don't seem to have any of that genetic stuff. I have the other spectrum, which is OCD and anxiety and panic and depression, all that good stuff, which can go with addiction sometimes. But usually it's sort of on the other side, it's the codependent side. And so my stuff is more emotional.

And I had to go to therapy for a long time to work through that stuff. And it was, it paid dividends like crazy and made me a much more effective practitioner with addicts in terms of being able to maintain boundaries and understand and feel and modulate, you know, emotional landscapes for people. That's a pretty interesting skill to have. And I, I've learned a ton about not just myself, but humanity through those experiences of, you know, two bodies in space, one person struggling, particularly with addiction, because everything that's coming out of that person when they're early in their disease is bullshit. And so I have to kind of look at that and feel it, listen to it, but try to get what's behind it and what's really going on with that person.

That's an interesting experience. try to get what's behind it and what's really going on with that person. That's, that's an interesting experience. Yeah. I kind of almost wish that sometimes, uh, it was referred to as a consulting just because therapy, like for some, for some reason, people have a big hangup about going to the doctor for, you know, for some therapy, but it can be a life altering thing. It can be something that really helps you. Meanwhile, consulting like every business and every,

like people are very accepting of getting consulted on something to level up. Right. And there's so many different kinds of therapy and you got to figure out what kind, you know, is appropriate for what your needs are and what you're trying to get out of it. I was in therapy for 11 years and I got a ton out of it. A ton. Got it. therapy for 11 years uh and i got a ton out of it a ton got it um how is our boy mike catherwood doing because i know he's had some addictions in his past uh has the lockdown been treating him

well some no he seems to be holding up just fine uh he's um yeah i mean his has he told his war stories here he's got the most amazing stories of anybody. We haven't had him on the show yet. We need to get him on the show. Yeah, just when we were hanging out with you guys at your place, we were kind of unfolding some of that. And it's like, yeah, he would be great for this show. But I'll just check in and making sure he's doing well. He's great.

No, he's good. He's very good. That's awesome. I saw him over at Fighter and the Kid a couple weeks ago. Cool. And he was great. Thanks Dr. Drew for your time. And I don't want to, I don't want to waste your day, but thank you so much for, you know, sharing all that information with us. And you guys are great.

Congratulations on this and being able to continue in spite of the quarantine. Right. I mean, this is awesome. Oh yeah. We've been going harder than ever. I know. Right. It right it's there's some there's some people are able to keep going and that's you know the podcasting is definitely one of those things so thank you for having me i really appreciate it awesome have a good rest of your day hey dr drew see you before you head out are you about to my uh so i have to ask this so i don't get beat up my lady wants to know what it feels like to have a birthday that's shared with beyonce because i talked to her and she's like yeah he has the same birthday as beyonce yeah i do and uh i just i i feel

i you know i'm happily to be overshadowed right i have no problem with that i feel sort of really honored it's like it's my honor to share this day with you. That's the way I feel. And I really wasn't aware of it until about three or four years ago. And when it really became queen, you know, Beyonce, then I would see more on my birthday about that. I thought, wow, what an honor. What an honor. Have you ever been invited to her birthday? What an honor. What an honor. Have you ever been invited to her birthday?

No. Oh, that's odd. She, when she was in Destiny's Child, though, was back on Loveline many, many years ago. Oh, there we go. Wow. And those women could not have been more delightful. So I'm here to tell you, she's everything she seems to be. Great. Great to have you on the show.

Have a great rest of your day. Thank you, sir. Thank you. Okay, Sierra. There you go. go you got it that was cool that you got that in there dude can't make this up uh my dogs went nuts i had it i had to bounce because pete montes just delivered some meats so yeah that was perfect but what the hell did i miss you when i came back mark you were like oh my gosh that's great information we should not tell andrew uh he was basically he was basically uh saying um how uh he's he has some friends some colleagues that are utilizing some treatment and

the treatment seems to be working really well so yeah that's what he was uh that's what he was pointing to you know i was that was great to get, you know, on the horn with him. And, you know, again, we're not trying to downplay anything that's happening here. But if you look at a lot of the information, there's a virus that's going around, right? There's a virus that's attacking people very quickly. The people that it's attacking everyone, regardless It's attacking everyone regardless of your health and regardless of your immunity. But it's having a bigger impact

and it's latching on to people that are not as healthy. They're latching on to people that have comorbidities, which is what they're called. And so that's what we're seeing. And that's, you know, when you stick to the facts, you start to recognize. And that was going to be my point before Dr. Drew kind of hopped on the call, was that if you stick to the information that's out there, if you stick to the facts, and you stick to not using a bunch of fancy words around it,

to not using a bunch of fancy words around it or not using any frustrating words, not using any adjectives to explain what's going on, or you don't compare it to 9-11 or you don't compare it to other tragedies, what you end up with is you end up with a virus that's attacking people very quickly. And it's attacking people, again, that seem to be less healthy. It seems to be attacking mainly the elderly. And so, therefore, when you hear it that way, and you hear it in a more reasonable way, you can have a more reasonable response.

So that way, you know, a lot of times our reactions, our reactions that we have are to opinions. When somebody says, hey, you know, I'm superior because I have green eyes. That's an opinion, right? And people will be very upset with that opinion. And sort of rightfully so. Sometimes you can get triggered by those things. But we shouldn't feel that we need to be triggered by these things because we should be able to stick to the facts and say, hey, actually, you know what? That's interesting that you think that about green eyes because I think the same thing about brown eyes, right? Or hey, you know what? Actually, that's not true because I've seen, you know, this guy is able to do this, this guy is able to do

that, and they all have different colored eyes, right? And you can start to actually present some information that gives people more knowledge towards being able to say with more certainty what it is that you actually believe, rather than, you know, the news again, like talking about bodies piling up, or talking about backing in a truck that has a freezer in it to put extra bodies in it. Right. That, that's really just, it almost, it almost makes, makes me wonder like, why, you know, why would they even report that? You know, why do they even continue to show it? Well, they continue to show it because it drives ratings. And if you listen to,

like I was watching the news this morning and the today show has that music in the beginning, even the music in the beginning even the music they play gives you anxiety like if you were just so if you were just to google that music i bet you that you would your heart rate would probably increase a little bit because it's never good it's always bad news right and then meanwhile if you watch the news, strategically, they start to play the weepy, sappy stuff more towards the end. It's like the third hour of the news where they start sharing these stories of how this guy sang to his girlfriend through a window or some shit. You know what I mean? They save all that stuff for way later.

But they want to attack you with the harder stuff in the beginning. Yeah, they have like an act one two and three you know and like it's it's well when i say staged i don't mean it's fake i mean it's staged as in like a play you know like a play they have their their stage and they have their uh their marks or whatever you know because it is all strategery it's all strategically planned to get a, a, uh, an emotional rise out of you. So that way,

you know, you're freaked out to tune in, you tune in and then they leave it on a happy note. So that way you come back. 100%. Yeah. Yeah. Everything that they put forward that there,

there's a reasoning behind it. There's, I'm not going to go as far as like an agenda, but they, they want you to feel and have a certain view, whether it's CNN that leans a little bit left, whether it's fox news that leans a little bit right they're going to have a little bit of a bias there but you know mark i want to go back to what you're saying about the green eyes thing you know someone's like oh i have green eyes where

there i'm superior right you heard of the guy named daryl davis um i don't i don't believe so so daryl davis like you'll you'll know uh he was this uh african-american guy that uh back in the 80s 90s etc he would talk to members of the kkk friend them uh have multiple conversations with them and then get them to give him their robes because he would like literally convert them from being racist to understanding how wrong they were. Right. He had an episode on Joe Rogan show a few months back where he kind of delved into it. But this is a black guy that did this. You know what I mean? And he was willing to have a conversation with individuals who were thought that he was worse than dirt. Right.

And over time, he was able to understand how some of these people have never seen a Black person for a lot of their life, or they were raised and all their family and their cousins had this view. So they had that view and they never really understood why. But now that they were actually having the conversation, they could then change their viewpoint, right?

What if he never was willing to have that conversation? What if he was like, that's a racist, I'm not gonna not gonna even talk to them, then these people would be able to just continue to spread what they want to spread and their ideology would even be stronger. Right. So I say that because when we have certain individuals who have different viewpoints on the show, like Dr. Butter or whatever, like, we have to just have the conversation doesn't mean we believe everything they're saying, we want to hear what they have to say, and come to an opinion from it. There's no reason where you got to just shut somebody up, like what's going on with London

Real right now and his David Icke interview, you know? Right. Yeah, he's definitely pushing a lot of that really hard. But I, you know, I think, you know, what you said there is fantastic. And it's really, a lot of times it's a, it's a lack of knowledge, you know, it's just, you don't, it's a lack. I remember, you know, one of my, one of my friends was African American that lived right down the street from me. I played with them all the time. And I, I, I remember asking my parents, I was like, why do people, you know, what, what's, what are, what's people's problem with my friend? Like what, what's the deal? And my parents were like, I don't know. We never really learned that either. So like my, and my parents didn't think it was a thing or a deal. So I just

never, I never thought it was a thing or a deal. But then as I got older, I recognized like, holy shit, like this is a, this is a thing. This is a deal. My parents were trying to explain it to me as if it shouldn't be a big deal to you because you shouldn't care on where someone came from or what their ethnicity is. But like, I just never thought about it even more until I got older. And so therefore I just didn't even, I almost blindly didn't even think racism like existed. I just didn't even, I almost blindly didn't even think racism existed. I just didn't. I wasn't around people that were racist, at least to my knowledge. And I didn't

participate or see things that I felt were racist. But as I got older, then I got more exposed to it. And as you gain more knowledge, then it opens up your eyes and you're like, holy shit, okay, this is the way these people feel. This is the way these people feel. And the one thing that tells, that makes you, the one thing that can help you come to the realization that something is kind of bullshit is when you can say, wow, that sounds kind of, that sounds outlandish, that sounds crazy. You know, when someone says that a woman can't do a certain thing or that another ethnicity can't do a certain thing, when you have to pause and say, Whoa, like that, that does not sound right. You know, that's how you know that like it's irrational and there's wars fought over things

that are irrational. I mean, uh, any sort of battle that we have, any sort of battle that we have any sort of fighting outside of like it being a competition is simple misunderstanding. You can't, there's not a, there's not a way to reason. And so like, okay, we don't have the ability to reason with you. And so therefore, we have to go to war. And some of that has to do with, you know, with you know because of uh terrorism and and things like that and so america has decided we don't know how to explain uh rational thought or what we feel is rational to these people over here and so therefore we're gonna have to kill them you know and that's and that and that's how you end up with these battles and so you end up with these these fights right and it's i think that a little kid could look at that and say, hey, both sides are wrong.

Like, people shouldn't be killing each other. But, you know, at the same time, it's a difference of opinion. But how dumb is that? Like, that is so stupid, right? It just sounds dumb to say it out loud. Because you believe this and I believe that we have to kill each other or we have to fight or you have to live in this area and I have to live in this area. Like it's just, it sounds so, so stupid.

Yeah. I want to highlight someone on a YouTube commenter commented on our channel. This was when the Bataar episode went crazy and people were going nuts. And so Kyle, I won't say his last name. I don't know if he would. Yeah, whatever. Kyle says, one thing I have learned from watching this channel is to take what is useful for me

and make it work in the context of accomplishing my goal. Discard what won't. In the end, the responsibility of the content I use or I find useful is mine. Either way, queue up the great content. I look forward to seeing more. Cheers. So, that approach right there is amazing. And kind of what you were talking about in SEMA about like, you know, like these are just different views and opinions. Like, you know, that's just what they are we're not saying like it's this is concrete or this is fact or like you know so i think uh it just fit very well with

what kyle was saying and i just wanted to highlight that comment because i think um more people need to be like him but also not taking anything away from that dude that's converting uh you know people from the kkk but every single time i hear about him all i think about is the dave chappelle skit where he's blind i know mark you know the skit i've never seen it oh shit oh my gosh what is it ah so i forgot his name is his character but basically he is uh he's blind but he's a black kkk member yo okay so it's uh god clayton Bigsby. There you go. All right.

After this episode, Mark, go on YouTube, type in Dave Chappelle, Clayton Bigsby. I'm just going to send you the video. Damn, Dave Chappelle. Everyone, go watch it. Dave Chappelle was so good. Dude, it's so good. And he's like, I know this probably sets people, black people back a couple of years, but it was worth it. You know, he said something like that.

It just. Oh, God. Every time I hear that story, my brain instantly goes right... Oh, dude. I know. My whole show is so good. It was. It really was.

Probably the... I don't know. Yeah, best. I just found out today, and I'm not going to say who it is, but I just found out today that... Well, I guess everyone can look it up. Maybe I'll tell you guys off... I should just tell you guys off air. I'll tell you guys off. I should just

tell you guys off air. I'll tell you guys off air. I got to tell you off air. Oh God. I'm so, okay. I can't wait. I can't have people searching this. We need to keep this top, top secret. Okay. Yeah. But you know, a real quick last thing I'm going to say about what we were just talking about. Like, I feel like a lot of people, because a majority of the things that we talk about on this channel have been health and fitness. A lot of people that listen in when they listen to a coach like Cal Dietz come in or a guy like John Berardi come in, they'll get some nuggets from that conversation that fit for them.

And then they'll hear some other things that are like, I'm not going to really do that. And they'll be like, okay, cool. Right. So they'll look at fitness in the exact lens that we're talking about, pick and choose what works, discard what doesn't work for you or what you feel is dumb i feel like you need to look at

every single episode that way no matter what your strong viewpoint may be pick a few things that might work or none of it might work and then discard everything else that doesn't and go along your way it's that simple yeah you might hate crossfit but you might learn something from one of those episodes and implement it into whatever the hell it is that you're doing. Very well said. I like that. Also, yeah, there's definitely, there's not a chance that everything that we talk about is correct. There's just not, you know, we're not always going to be right.

You know, we're going to have vantage points and viewpoints and we're going to have goals and we're going to have different things, but they're all going to change over time. The things I'm interested in, the things you guys are interested in, they're all going to, they're all going to change. Our viewpoints will change a little bit. So, you know, I find that to be the probably the most interesting thing of like the Instagram experiment is that, you know, as it plays out and as people see like one post from the next, they're like, you contradict yourself a lot. And it's like, well, we all do. It's just that when you see

a picture and you see X amount of words that go along with it, it's nearly impossible to not contradict, uh, to have some contradictions from from one quick photograph to another that's what I love about this format is that we're able to explain ourselves in a longer format and again you're gonna contradict yourself especially the longer that you've been on this earth the more you're going to contradict yourself because the the likelihood that you are going to want to change and have different interests is huge. You know, at some point in SEMA, maybe all you thought about was deadlifting and squatting.

And you were super pumped about that. Well, now all you think about is choking people out. So your views, your vantage point, your interests, where you spend your time and who you spend your time with, all those things change because they align with the goal that you have in front of you at the time. Very true. Yeah, because who knows it all day one, you know, you're going to learn, you're going to change your, your vantage point is going to totally change and your perspective is going to go along with it. You guys get any training in today?

Really? Yeah, some jump rope this morning, a little bit of kettlebell stuff, and I'll probably do it again later today. I think I might take a run later today. Me and my girlfriend might take a run. And oh, my God, it's been so long since I've just gone on a run. Not like a sprint hold for a while, just like a run. And not looking forward to it but we'll see what happens yeah i went to uh i went to go see my boy dr dan at movement matters

um i think in sema you see him too right i think you've never seen him oh i thought you did i don't think i have got it um dude he he he lined up lined up my neck uh cracked it, did some ART. If you're in the sack area, highly recommend him. He has all kinds of cool shit. Like he does the cupping. He does some like laser weird stuff too. But mine was just a regular adjustment. And dude, I finally have some mobility in my neck.

So I'm going to start with a hike today, digital hike on my treadmill. Oh. Yeah. And then we'll go from there. But that's all I have planned for today. How about you, Mark? Yeah, definitely gonna, uh, hit up a walk probably here in a little bit. And, uh, when I get back from that, hit up some lifting. Yeah, I got, I got some weights in the garage, so I'll do, uh, Yeah, I got some weights in the garage, so I'll do – I've been staying on the routine of 100 squats, 100 push-ups every day. I've been doing a little more than that just because I've had, like,

the weight vest on and some different things like that, so I've been doing probably even a little bit more than 100 reps. But, yeah, it's been good, man. I'm feeling really good. Yesterday was actually really hard. You know, I think, like, it all been, it's been good, man. I'm, I'm feeling really good. Yesterday was actually really hard at it. You know, I think, uh, like it all started to accumulate, even though I felt really good yesterday. Um, I, as I was like going through it and had the West, the vest on again, I was like, Oh shit. Like this is starting to really pile up on me. So,

but, um, probably if I do it for a few more days in a row i think you know i'll uh it'll feel it'll start to feel easier and easier cool yeah i think i'm gonna head up a trail this weekend too because there's still some trails that are open um and like i know people are like ah social distancing but like if you do a trail the right way like like i think uh sharian was mentioning like just you know when you see somebody say hey walking by and walk by a little bit farther like you can go out and get some sun and get some nature i don't think there's i really personally don't think there's anything wrong with it but people will have different views on that i don't think you're gonna get sick you're good to go buddy yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then after we,

uh, you guys were talking about getting sick at the end of, uh, late last year. I was like, when did I get sick? And yeah, it was like two weeks before my photo shoot,

which was like two weeks before Christmas. So maybe that was my, you know, whatever contracting COVID-19 and getting over it. Cause it lasted like, like kind of like you guys, it was pretty quick. It was like a flash bang. It was bad. And then all of a sudden, Oh, okay. I'm feeling a little bit better. It was one day. Yeah.

Cause I remember you, both of you guys were like, yeah, well you're, you're cutting. So your, your immune system's down. So it's probably gonna, you know, and I remember saying like, Oh, it felt like I got hit by a truck, but then like a week later I was fine. So maybe, maybe, maybe that was it. What are you guys thinking of these podcasts that we've done these last couple, you know, they've been, you know, mainly talking about this, mainly talking about this virus and, um, you know, it's kicked up, it's, it's kicked up some controversy, but it appears that we've been on the right track you

know with some of the people that we've been talking to yeah it's been a freaking roller coaster and i know that it's it's hitting a couple different buttons because i'm getting texts from family saying like wait what the heck does this is this true like did dr batar really say like does this there's any like weight to all this and i'm like okay well we just talked to you know daniel orego this is the guy you want to really like if you're gonna pay attention to somebody here's the the best approach to do it and then same thing with um dr lass you know kind of like hey like this is the other side of like because him talking about vaccinations and stuff. So, I mean, I feel like, yeah, dude, we're ahead of what, I mean, name any news outlet right now.

And I think we're a couple steps ahead right now. And I'm not bragging. I'm just saying that's just the guests that we've had on are saying the things that are now coming to the forefront. People are really highly opinionated about 5G, and I just don't think anybody knows anything about it. I saw even Joe Rogan, he posted something about 5G as if he thought that's the end of the story. He posted something that somebody else talked about 5G, and he was like, yeah, that's exactly my of the story. He posted something that somebody else talked about, 5G, and he was like, yeah, that's exactly my point or something. He talked about some countries that don't have it or something. Corona and Iran, yeah.

Why are they getting Corona and Iran if there are no 5G towers? Yeah, and so he made that seem definitive as if, okay, because he shared that now 5G is not a concern at all to anyone. And I actually think that that's, I think that that's pretty wild. I think that we should entertain all possibilities. Like I don't, I, again, I don't think that 5G and the coronavirus are related in that way. However, I would assume that most of the things that we've done on you know on naturally I would just think that they they have a cost and that includes

everything that includes everything from watching TV to using a telephone like that includes that's everything I just think that everything is that way I think everything's always been that way. I don't think anything has changed. I think that that's always, it's always the way it's been. And it's always the way that it will be. There's going to be a lot of give and take from the universe. We take up a lot of space. We utilize a lot of resources. We're not going to always agree on how we utilize those resources. And there's going to be even paving the road. Like, I don't know, like, is there a cost to putting blacktop on the road? Probably. I don't know what it is. It's probably pretty minor in comparison to not being able to drive your vehicle on a road that's paved. It's just smoother. I mean, you think about how luxurious everything is. Like, that's even a ridiculous proposition to even think of in the first place. Like, hey, we need a car.

Hey, well, it's not enough to have a car because I don't want to drive 15 miles an hour over a bunch of rocks and have it be un steady and have the fucking car bouncing around. So let's pave the street. Is there a cost of paving the street? I don't know. Do you guys like smelling blacktop? Fucking disgusting, right? I mean, smell, it smells toxic. So does blacktop cause cancer? I don't know it, but it probably increases your odds of getting it. It probably doesn't decrease. It's probably not beneficial to smell blacktop all day, right? I mean, everything, everything has a price, everything that we do. There's not, there's not a thing that we do, uh, especially when it comes to convenience, um, that, that doesn't have a price to pay. Yeah, no, it's, it's, it's funny you say that about Blacktop, though,

because I remember when I was in Nigeria, there were a lot of good parts that didn't have paved roads, but obviously there's a lot of corruption in the government. So the really nice parts had really nice roads, but that wasn't everywhere, you know what I mean? So it's crazy the things that you kind of take for granted here but not all those things may be the best yeah or if you look at like the um the uh i can't think of the word but just if if a person lives next to a freeway like all the uh the brake dust that flows through the air and messes up their

lungs like it's really bad like i don't know how bad but it's it's pretty damn bad and that's another one of those conveniences or one of those things where we're like no we we have these smooth roads but we want to get there faster let's make a road where there's no lights you know and it's a freeway all because we wanted to get there quicker right and then we're you're, you know, in this neighborhood, you're, you're on these, uh, you know, streets with some pretty big Hills and stuff and you'll see a big old truck, you know, going up the Hill and the truck will, you know,

sputter out a bunch of crap out of like the muffler or whatever. And you're, you're ingesting that. But like when you, when you look at this area, you're like, Oh man, it's so beautiful. It's so majestic. It's so clean. It's so pure because that that smoke isn't in your face all day long. But even if you are in areas, again, like kind of mentioning the 5G, even if you're in areas where the 5G isn't, the entire world is compromised. know so those those families that are getting hit with the brakes and the gas and the emissions from the freeway um they're not the only ones getting hit by it the whole world's getting hit by it you know it's just not everybody else sees

it maybe not everybody else is exposed to the same amount but again like i i can't think of anything that we've ever done that's led to, um, led to something being more convenient where there isn't a little bit of a cost. There's just a price to pay for everything. And it doesn't mean that we don't do those things because, um, you know, a world without a phone would suck. A world without this would suck. A world without a tv would suck i mean if we didn't have any of that stuff we would be uh very similar to animals right i mean we would be if we didn't have the ability to watch like a movie even my even quinn and i like sometimes you get in the weirdest conversation with your kids we had a conversation about how weird a movie is. And then we talked about like, what would bet,

what would have been a version of a movie if we were a tribe, like if us four hung out, you know, a version of a movie would be that Andrew would get up in front of us and tell us about experience that he had when he went over those mountains over there that nobody else ever went over. And he would, you know, maybe he would grab a couple other people and he would you know maybe he would grab a couple other people and he would like show he would tell us a story around a campfire or something that would be like our movie right um you know but every every modern thing everything that's a convenience i mean how much money does a movie cost how many resources does a movie use how how much how much damage is a movie due to the environment

you know yeah it just it's we love movies who's who's not watching movies you know yeah are the vegan people not watching movies everyone's watching they want not watching netflix like what's netflix damage i i'm not even i don't even give a fuck about any of that stuff i i personally don't i don't think that we can do enough harm to the environment is sort of my theory but the fuck do i know but but anyway i just think anyone that doesn't think that there's there's a cost or a price to pay to every single thing that we do there is there and then i just think there always will be that's my just my own opinion of it. Yeah. Yeah. I mean,

the first thing you think about obviously is cars and like you go to a city like New York and you see the air difference, you can feel the air difference when you breathe it in. Right. But then electric car is going to cure all that. But then people are all scared of like, wow, well,

I mean, your Tesla is self-driving and if everybody's doing self-driving cars, then you don't necessarily have control over where your car goes at a certain point you're giving up your you're giving up some freedom there it's like there's always going to be a give and take and we'll see what happens with this whole 5g thing yeah and even like a couple steps back from that like i remember hearing that the carbon footprint of a hummer is less than a Prius because the batteries that power the Prius don't go anywhere. You can't do anything with them.

They're just there forever. Whereas a Hummer eventually deteriorates and fades away, I think. Right. There's a lot of negative math even on just like recycling right exactly yeah you know and i don't know what's true or what's not i don't care it's not a level of it's not a level of interest to me i don't even recycle so there you go hopefully that charged a couple people up i throw everything all in the same fucking bin you know and it shows like there's too many it's too confusing yeah i know it know. It freezes you. You know, somebody filmed me.

Quinn told me that somebody filmed me the other day at Whole Foods being confused by the thing. And I just said, fuck it and just threw it in the, you know, I threw in the right thing, I think. But Quinn was laughing. She's like, I think that girl in the car was filming you. I was like, somebody was filming me? I was like, I would love to have seen my face going up to that garbage can and having options and being like, I got 25% chance of getting this correct. Dude, whenever we go to Phil's, I have no clue what to throw away into what bin because

they have three. And I'm like, I don't know. Where does the coffee cup go? Because I think this is recyclable. But on the picture, it shows compost. You're going to have a Mark Bell compilation video. That's going to be like, there's going to be one part that's like, I don't even recycle. It's going to be all the worst things you say out of context of the whole conversation.

From 2020. That would be great. That would be pretty funny, though. Oh, man. No, there's a lot of gold if someone were to just take three second sound bites from the things that we've said in this podcast they could make us look really really bad hey i'm curious uh who who is that question for in sema that you asked dr drew your first question was that which one that you know which one the first question that you asked was it the one related to porn

yeah was that related to anybody no no i really wanted because like he deals with addiction and stuff so i really wanted to get like his opinion on it because like porn like if you look at the statistics there's an article about it i think you've posted it does anybody anybody you know are they relapsing or anything like that there there are a few buddies i know there are like like literally i'm about to go and hop on and talk to my buddy about this and then do you get these statistics on like porn hub like is that where you have to go to see i just want to do the research i don't want to you know i mean you don't get this just google it but premium is free if you are interested, Andrew. So that's what... Okay. Okay. Yeah. Pornhub made

premium free so that more people could like... You can see him as an influencer. I have my own page where you can either get the free content or you can do the $9.99 content. Can anybody upload anything to Pornhub or do you have to have certain... I don't.

Yeah. Do you have to get... Why are you pretending like you have to have like certain yeah do you have to get why are you pretending like you don't know I'm curious because I'm wondering like what if in SEMA were to do like a therapy session not anything gross just literally like helping other addicts but could we upload

that to Pornhub Mark what would you say because I actually have a i have a question for you guys on something i think jessica said there's real movies on there oh no sometimes they do get real movies yeah sometimes they get real movies but i want to i want to get your opinion both of your opinions on something um gosh well actually this is the end of the podcast have you guys noticed the uptick of female fitness influencers making only fans pages oh yeah have you noticed that yeah absolutely because i didn't even know what only fan or fans only fans only fans really was yeah i okay so recently and i i i want to be very careful with my words here because

a lot of them like defend it they're like you know guys like seeing these pictures of me anyway i might as well make some money from it you know it's my sexuality but it just it's uh it's very interesting it's like there's a market for it yeah what's weird what's weird is like why wouldn't you just pretend that a fan made it oh yeah you know what i mean just pretend a fan made it like have you ever seen like you you see a lot of um you see a lot of photos of the rock for example right and and and there's different pages of the rock but you know you wouldn't have any idea whether he like ran it or like he he i would imagine he doesn't right he ain't got time to run 47 different uh instagram posts but why wouldn't the girls just do the same thing yeah i think it's just a uh progression of like um you know the the soft core

porn that the internet is like if you look at um zucker yeah, Zuckerberg, the icon, not him. What is her name? Miley Cyrus. Okay. You remember that? I think it was MTV where she like took her pants, like whatever she got,

like she, she had like, dude, that wouldn't even get on like a for you page on Tik TOK. That would get overlooked by so many people. Oh, ripped, yeah, yeah. Dude, that wouldn't even get on a For You page on TikTok. That would get overlooked by so many people. Oh, ripped your ears off. What I'm saying is that would get overlooked by a lot of people because it wasn't even that bad. Yeah.

There's girls on Instagram doing 10, 100 times worse every single day. So, now I think the next progression is just showing more. And right now, you can show a little bit more on the uh fans only pages so again i suggested i make a page like mark you would kill i'm pretty sure you already have one well i'm wearing those underwear that you bought me for my birthday in those are never i have a username mark smelly bear Bear. Oh! That's it. That's the one, Mark. That's pretty good. Picture of the boobs with all the fur.

Yeah, your nipples YouTube channel. I haven't heard from that account in a long time. Oh, man. Yo, I love that we're able to do these Zoom casts. These are great because we can do this from anywhere, anytime. So, this is awesome, man. We haven't missed a day. Sometimes twice.

I'm glad we think it's good because nobody else is listening. Who cares? This is how we're keeping sane during lockdown anyways. That's the real what's it called? Takeaway. Punchline.

There we go. I was going to have the jeopardy music playing for you. All right. That's all right. Um, I think it would be good to chat with, uh, Paul Saladino. He, he seems like he's got some different views on, uh, on this Corona virus stuff. And I think, uh, Mike, um, our boy metabolic Mike, he would be good to communicate with as well. And we're going to continue to try to get some other doctors and maybe like a virologist. And we're going to try to continue to, you know, get people on here that are smarter than us to communicate about it.

But we just feel like this is what's going on in the world. And we may as well, you know, spend some of this time trying to communicate out to you guys, you know, our thoughts at the time and maybe help you guys. Um, cause this quarantine will be lifted and there'll be a point where you're going to have to make your own decisions for yourself. Um, you know, this is a, you know, hopefully in this country, you know, we will have the freedom to go back and do the things that we want, but then you can make the best informed decision for yourself. We do need to probably talk to somebody, somebody about masks and what type of masks and probably need to dive into

that a little bit more because I still don't really know. I mean, it sounds like it doesn't hurt to wear a mask from, from what I'm gathering. So, um, yeah, maybe it would be a good idea that when we do return, maybe it's just intelligent to wear a mask. I personally don't have any, I don't have any fear of getting it. I don't even care. I don't care if I get it. My main concern would be to pass it on to somebody else.

That'd be my main concern. You know,'t it's uh same thing same view as um the way i feel about being on social media and being attacked on social media like i don't care for myself but if if somebody i know is getting attacked you know because of something i said or did well then that that sucks and i would like to figure out a way to make sure that doesn't happen or to make sure that doesn't happen or to make sure that happens as least amount as possible. Let's get it. It's going to be good.

All right, man. Have a, have a great rest of your day. I'm going to go about my business over here with day, day 100. Any suggestions on anything I should run out and eat? I always go straight to pizza.

That's what I always try to bait you to eat just because I want to be around and eat pizza with you, but mainly just eat pizza. Do a lot. Maybe I should just go live tomorrow for 24 hours and just film me eating the whole day. It would break the internet. Yo, so, gosh, i don't think that's good enough though uh well i mean i'd say get some sushi but there's um there's this really good uh

you know what we'll talk about this after i gotta i gotta do some thinking for you that song is is playing in my head right now i don't know why but ass ass ass ass what song is that it's still carnivore too though that's a great song oh stupid stop oh yeah yeah yeah yeah what is it ass ass ass ass what a genius whoever did that big sean dance yeah okay there you go i just typed an ass like five times that's what came up if you're a lady's gonna be checking your history later just be like what the fuck is this oh man you're like oh that's nothing all right man you guys good yeah we're all good uh please make sure you guys are following the podcast at Mark Bell's Power Project on Instagram, at MB Power Project on TikTok and Twitter. My IG is at IamAndrewZ.

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