Mark Bell's Power Project - EP. 385 - We've Seen This Before ft. Beau Hightower

Episode Date: May 12, 2020

Dr. Beau Hightower is chiropractor, Certified Strength & Conditioning Specialist, Functional Movement Screen Instructor, and works with some of the most badass athletes on the planet. He is the team doctor for the Jackson/Winklejohn MMA team, and routinely works with world record caliber powerlifters, and professional strongmen. Subscribe to the Podcast on on Platforms! ➢ https://lnk.to/PowerProjectPodcast Support the show by visiting our sponsors! ➢Perfect Keto: http://perfectketo.com/power25 Use Code "POWERPROJECT" for 25% off and free shipping on orders of $29! ➢Piedmontese Beef: https://www.piedmontese.com/ Use Code "POWERPROJECT" at checkout for 25% off your order plus FREE 2-Day Shipping on orders of $99 ➢Icon Meals: http://iconmeals.com/ Use Code "POWERPROJECT" for 10% off ➢Sling Shot: https://markbellslingshot.com/ Enter Discount code, "POWERPROJECT" at checkout and receive 15% off all Sling Shots Follow Mark Bell's Power Project Podcast ➢ Insta: https://www.instagram.com/markbellspowerproject ➢ https://www.facebook.com/markbellspowerproject ➢ Twitter: https://twitter.com/mbpowerproject ➢ LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/powerproject/ ➢ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/markbellspowerproject ➢TikTok: http://bit.ly/pptiktok FOLLOW Mark Bell ➢ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/marksmellybell ➢ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/MarkBellSuperTraining ➢ Twitter: https://twitter.com/marksmellybell ➢ Snapchat: marksmellybell ➢Mark Bell's Daily Workouts, Nutrition and More: https://www.markbell.com/ Follow Nsima Inyang ➢ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nsimainyang/ Podcast Produced by Andrew Zaragoza ➢ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/iamandrewz #PowerProject #Podcast #MarkBell

Power Project crew, thank you for checking out today's episode. This episode is recorded on May 6th, and it is with our homie Bo Hightower. One of the dopest names, one of the best chiropractors for sure. He's the chiropractor that will chisel down on people's bodies with a big old hammer and stuff. He's all over YouTube, Instagram, a bunch of places like BuzzFeed and all these other TMZ-type outlets. Always do tons of content on him because what he does is so bizarre, but it's also who he does it on. Uh, he works on a bunch of UFC UFC fighters, a bunch of celebrities and stuff. Uh, one of the biggest ones being John

Jones. So we, we, we talked about him. We talked about Michelle Watterson, but the main reason why we're having him on again is because the last time we had him on, we did talk a lot about chiropractors and all that stuff. But towards the end, we discovered that he's actually quite political. And we also discovered that he's extremely, extremely intelligent. Definitely one of the highest IQs that we've had on this podcast. And he's not a virologist. He's not a doctor, although he's a chiropractor. So, if those are some of your requirements for listening to somebody talk about the coronavirus, the lockdown, the quarantine, then I apologize. He doesn't have that. However, if you keep an open mind, what you'll find is that

nobody's an expert. Paul Saladino said nobody's an expert on coronavirus, but what you'll find is that Bo is actually, he researches a lot. He knows what the hell he's talking about. He's a really smart guy. And some of the things that he's, you know, he brings up tons and tons of references in our own American history. So, you know, you can say that, you know, he's not a doctor, but what he's saying is not untrue. You know, he's not making stuff up. He's not making crazy claims. He's just bringing stuff up that happened in the past. Um, it's, I mean, he just, he blows our minds with some of the stuff that he's able to pull

from his, you know, from his own archives. And I think you guys are going to really, really have fun with this episode. Uh, Bo is an amazing follow on Instagram. Please find his links down in the, uh the podcast show notes, YouTube and Facebook descriptions. Give him a follow. Let him know what you guys think about this episode. Let him know that you guys heard him on our show. And ladies and gentlemen,

please enjoy this episode with our homie, Bo Hightower. Yeah, I remember he, Bo Hightower had like a bunch of content on his Instagram about crabs that kept getting censored. And then so he just like leaned right into it. I was like, what's going on here, dude?

But the guy's awesome. I guess he has fun with it. I don't know. Yeah. It'd be, uh, be stressful. Yep. Yep. Anyway.

So what's going down today, guys? Today we got Bo Hightower on and we're doing a double duty once again, double duty podcasts and, um, uh, once again, Double Duty podcast. And, you know, kicking off my day here, I got some MCT oil powder in my coffee. It's in my coffee and protein powder mixture iced coffee thing that I made. And that's the perfect keto powder. And what's kind of cool is it's a, it's a chocolate protein powder, but it's a salted caramel MCT oil powder. And so it's, I don't know, it's a, it's a different kind of taste, but I like it a lot. Awesome. I know I, I, I need to get back into the, the nootropic. I ran out, so hopefully I can

order up some more pretty soon here but I I will say that I will admit this I tried a different nootropic yesterday because I just wanted to get a little extra something and I felt nothing I was like really I was really upset like not gonna mention who it was or like act like I'm I mean yeah I'm biased but like not extremely biased because I took it because I expected something to happen. And it was just like, wow,

that either it doesn't work as good as I remember it or the nootropic from perfect keto works so good that it just made the other one seem useless. So that nootropic is it's a, it's on an H and L for sure. Hell yeah. Yeah. If you guys are interested, please head over to perfect keto.com slash power 25 at

checkout enter promo code power project for 25 off your order and free shipping all right sorry i don't know if they're doing free shipping anymore i gotta double check on that but it's 25 off any order of 29 or more um i believe it's free shipping on 99 more again i'll double check on that but for sure 29 you get get 25% off we'll pay him yeah let me send this out to Bo gonna have Mr. Hontower yeah so you're before we

got started recording Mark you were explaining you know why we wanted to get Bo back on the podcast hey man anybody that smashes people with that with a hammer you know is somebody that i want to talk to you know we've had beau on before and um last time we talked to him for a long long time and we talked a little bit about politics towards the end but i don't think i realized how passionate

he was about it until kind of towards more towards the end of that podcast and i wanted to bring him back on and allow him to voice his opinion more, but also just the times that we're in now where a lot of things are getting censored. You know, like a lot of people, it's just an algorithm that they put out there, but like, you know, a lot of people's YouTube channels are being censored. It's not just like the big players. It's not the people with

the millions and millions of followers. It's kind of everybody. And, uh, I don't know. It's just interesting. Like is, you know, I, I guess, uh, you know, YouTube is allowed to, they're allowed to do as they see fit, I would imagine because it's a company, right? So, um, I think that maybe sometimes we forget that we forget that, you know, Google and I mean, even what we search for, you know, like what we search for is probably in the beginning. It probably wasn't really censored. You'd probably type in a search and the computer would go and fetch it for you. Go look for it for you. But now I'm sure there's political ties to everything. Go look for it for you. But now I'm sure there's political ties to everything.

I'm sure there's, you know, I mean, I would just imagine that that would be so. Because why wouldn't it be, you know? And so there's a lot of people that won't even use, like, Google anymore. There's a lot of people that, like, you know, they're trying to find their own weird search engine. But to try to find one that's down the middle, I don't know if you would be able to even come up with any of them because the only way all of them survive and the only way we get it all provided to us is through ads. And so I don't know. But, you know, I think Bo Hightower has a lot of interesting –

has a really interesting kind of vantage point on some of this stuff. So I'll be excited to talk to him. And then also maybe he'll share some stuff with us about our boy, Bones Jones, because it would be cool to hear what's going on with him. I know he got in some trouble recently, and it's kind of been a reoccurring thing. I'm hopeful that that guy can just continue to kick ass in the ring and continue to do better outside the ring as well. Cause I just, I love watching greatness. You know, we're watching that Jordan series and I kind of,

I kind of root for history, you know, whenever I see like, I hate the Patriots cause I'm a Jets fan, but whenever I see the Patriots in the super bowl, a lot of times I am kind of pulling for them cause i i want to see greatness go down i want to see something cool happen i want to see somebody uh be on another level than somebody else so anyway we'll talk to him about all that stuff too yeah it is cool to be able to like point to something be like i was there for that you know you know tell you tell your grandkids but yeah in regards to like the censorship thing you know people have been freaking out about you know you know tell you tell your grandkids but yeah in regards to like the censorship thing

you know people have been freaking out about you know youtube blocking certain search terms and whatnot but i mean if you walked into a mcdonald's and start well before the lockdown but if you walked into a restaurant and started you know yelling a bunch of weird stuff or you know no shoes no shirt no service like they have the right to not give you service right because it's their establishment and youtube i mean i think it kind of works on the same thing i'm not sure like again it does see so like like i didn't know that but it makes sense right like if if you're spouting something that they just don't like or they don't want on their platform then yeah they have the right to take it down you know some of our stuff has been getting a little little uh out there in the in the woods

and we've noticed some things on our youtube channel too but what was it uh what logan is it logan paul is he yeah it's because the japanese uh forest thing and did the suicide thing and then the apocalypse started yeah yeah you can't like you can't just go and do anything right i mean you um uh even like and it's i think i think more recently they put a policy on there where you have to say whether your stuff is for kids or not for kids or something like that right there's some sort of agreement there which that that, that's great. I mean, we don't want our kids like falling into the wrong stuff, which they're going to anyway, but, um, any way to protect that further, I think is good just because young kids just aren't prepared to their brains.

Aren't prepared to see all that. They're not ready to make sense of, of all the different crap that's out there on the internet. But But and I think that a lot of us are probably fans of censorship in some way. Like I, you know, I wouldn't want to see somebody murder somebody on YouTube. You know what I mean? Like there's got to be some some lines drawn. I guess a matter it would be a matter of where the lines would be drawn. Right. What you know, what do they police what do they control um and i think this brings up even a more interesting topic is like artificial intelligence you know like right now it's not really the people of youtube it's the algorithm that they made you know and the algorithm that they made uh you know, and the algorithm that they made.

I don't know. I don't know enough about it, but like it, it probably, it probably needs to be communicated with to like work, right? Like it's a, it's a it's a processing thing. So somebody has to like start it to have it work. Right. But at some point, some of the shit's going to like think for itself and then it's going to determine what we see and what we don't see. And, you know, if you, if you listen to Elon Musk or you follow any of the stuff that he talks about, he talks about how artificial intelligence at some point,

it would just wipe us off the face of the earth if it needed to. And it, and it wouldn't care. Right. It would just be us off the face of the earth if it needed to. And it wouldn't care, right? It would just be like, well, humans are in the way of me running my processes that I'm supposed to go through. And it'll just kill you. Be it like Terminator 2. Skynet will be fully realized. So I don't know, man. There's a lot of weird shit flying around and some of the stuff that we've seen in science fiction movies i mean there's no reason like you know be over uh thinking all this stuff

but i but it is like some of this stuff does seem to be kind of coming to the surface so some strange times going on out there definitely strange yeah yeah oh here we go um my my biggest worry is someone like me who's like indifferent on certain things. Like, is Trump a good president? And like, I Google it and then all of a sudden, you know,

whoever's pushing that narrative of good or bad, you know, they're like, Oh, he's perfect. Or he was the worst, like according to this and that. So that's where it gets a little odd,

but yeah, there he is. There we go. Can you hear me now? We got you now. I'm a Zoom noob, man. I'm a Zoom noob. I just got owned.

No, you're good, man. Oh, man, I figured you'd be on the front lines of technology over there. Yeah, I'm a dinosaur. The gray in the beard means that I'm not interested in changing any of my ways ever, including playing nothing but classic Nintendo. Yeah, that, that's a, that's a good thing though. I love that. You know, just the old school, just the two buttons on there, man. He's a, it's like, who's got a faster thumb. Let's go.

I can, I tried to play some of my son's games and stuff. And he's just like, you're so bad at this. I'm like, I don't know even how to move my guy. I can't, I can't figure out how to move them. You play video games at all. No,

no, no time, man. I wish, I wish I could relate to people more. Cause I know people are big into call of duty and all that kind of stuff. And I feel like, um,

you know, when they stopped making the NCAA game, you know, it was probably seven or eight years ago now? That was the only game that I would still play. And I could kind of keep up. But when you skip a generation or so of games, I even tried to buy like a Nintendo Switch when this whole pandemic went down. Like, I'm just not interested.

It's just it's boring to me. Like, and I think when you're a business owner and you realize how many other things you're supposed to do, it's hard to just by doing that kind of stuff you know how has uh business been for you it's been slow it's been slow um you know we'll probably be down grow 60 to 80 grand over the next over the last couple months um you know i think everybody's kind of dealing with that luckily we've been essential so we never closed um you know and we deal with the cash paying basis patient. So, you know, demographically, a lot of those people are healthy. They're willing to go out in the public. And really, we've been dealing with a lot of health care workers and like most of my patients right now are physicians, pharmacists, nurses, people that aren't scared to go out and that still have jobs. It's people that aren't scared to go out and that still have jobs.

Yeah. Last we talked, you know, you were the only one smashing people with a hammer. And what I wanted to know today a little bit, too, is have you taught this method and technique to other people? I'm sure like like where we left off last time, you were talking about potentially maybe teaching it to other people, the people that are accepting and willing to admit that it's worthwhile. So have you gone through any of that yet? Have you went on to kind of teach and show people how to do some of these techniques? Oh, yeah. We've got, you know, we have 10 providers that work for us now. So we have three clinics.

We opened our Las Vegas clinic in maybe November. So we're inside of extreme couture right there off the strip. So Dr. Carlos Camaro, he's our physical therapist, uh, from NYU. And he's now working with extreme couture. And then, you know, we're using that Vegas jump off point to do a lot of our influencer stuff. And then also not pay California state income tax. So, um, we just hired another doc yesterday, Dr. Kathleen Escobar. So that brings, that'll be our 10th provider. So yeah, just keep it moving, keep growing.

Yeah. Something I wanted to get into with you today is I know that you've been censored a bunch in the past year. Instagram has been taken down and wanting to kind of get your take on, you know, it seems like everyone's getting censored now, saying, you know, opposing thoughts on the coronavirus. You've seen some of my posts, and shit is really getting divided. You know, people are getting pulled off of subways and stuff like that for not wearing masks, and it kind of seems like our civil rights are being impeded on more than ever, or at least it's bringing up a lot of questions about our civil rights. So I know that you're very political in that sense. So I wanted to kind of get your take on what's going on.

Yeah, it's funny. I was having this conversation yesterday with somebody. It's like for 40,000 years, you know, humans have been fighting for equality, fighting for equal rights, you know, for black people to have equal rights in this country, for gay people to have equal rights in this country, women have equal rights in this country. So, you know, after all these struggles and all these deaths and all these things, the first generation that's born with equal rights, like here, take them back. We don't want it. You know, it's like they're so willing to, you know, give everything away for the illusion of feeling safe and, you know, calling the police on their neighbors and, you know, snitching on each other. It's just it's really shocking how our own fear can start to divide us. You know, kind of like you. I'm the boss of my own company. I can't get fired. I can't be censored. I'm not really reliant on sponsors. So, you know, there are no strings on me. And I feel that, you know, most people, especially given our platforms, want to hear as raw the truth, at least what we know the truth, as is possible. And I think what's happening now

is there's a lot of confusion going on because, you know, when we talk about evidence, there's five categorizations of it. So expert opinion, anecdote, those things are class five level of evidence. They're not the highest level. They are evidence, but they're not the highest level. So we just continue to hear, listen to the experts, listen to the experts. But then we hear many positions. I mean, you've had a few of them on your show that have differing opinions. So which position is the expert and which one isn't? And as a general public, I think it's very confusing. And when you have these platforms that are supposed to be platforms and not publishers, that's what gives them the immunity, right? So they're not liable for any of the content that goes on their platform. What gives them the right to censor that water cooler talk

anymore? And we've seen it, you know, over and over again, the doc from Bakersfield, they had all their posts pulled down, especially given the nature of what we don't know about, you know, these viruses. You know, we don't know much about much in this world. Like we still haven't figured out HIV. We still haven't figured out, you know, influenza. They mutate often. But now we're being told with, you know, rigorous certainty that you should wear masks. You shouldn't wear masks. Okay, well, now it's transmissible to humans. Well, now it's not. And I think that the majority of that is being stoked by the media and by social media this is the first pandemic in the social media era so everything is

politicized in this era right like so no matter and it's weird what's happened over time like you know i i obviously tend to lean pretty libertarian and anti-authoritarian generally speaking whether it's conservative or liberal um and a lot of my friends that are pretty far left that are fitness or entrepreneurial at first, they were like, this is stupid. I'm not going to stay home. You know, I should be able to work. And as the party lines sort of were drawn in the sand, you saw them switch back over. And a lot of my conservative friends, so maybe it's sicker, older people at first, they were scared shitless. They're like, I'm staying home. I'm not going to go out. And again, as these party lines have sort of been drawn in the sand, now they've switched over and they're like, you know what?

I'm going to go to the state capitol with a gun. So the tribalism that's within our society, within social media, has really reared its head now. And we sort of live in a post-truth society. How do we know where to get our facts from? And then that also brings up another point. Like, did we ever know it to begin with when there was only three news outlets? You know, was it a Project Mockingbird situation? Was that information controlled by these corporations? And are we actually able to learn information on our own now? Because there are voices out there, people are able to,

you know, post their experiences from hospitals in New York City, are physicians that maybe don't agree with the status quo able to voice their opinions. And like you said, they're sort of being smashed down by YouTube, by Facebook, who are now the arbiters of truth. For those that kind of don't know what Project Mockingbird is, like myself, could you give us like a quick rundown of what that is, so we can understand the reference? Is that maybe a little bit like Pleasantville? A little bit. Well, you know, historically, throughout the history of this country, the CIA and, you know, I don't want to get into the deep state stuff, but the powers that be have worked meticulously behind the scenes to shape society and shape the world, particularly after World War II. so um there have been many and these files have been released and anybody who watches you know uh glenn greenwald or tim pool or joe rogan sort of knows about stuff but cia has been paying salaries for people in the media they have influenced the media outlets on how to spin stories um which is

essentially propaganda that's why it's important that you get your news outlets from many sources, even some that might be biased on their own, like RT or Al Jazeera, because, um, while they may seem like differing opinions on Fox news and MSNBC, what you may find is that they have a lot of similarities and that they want to get you as fearful of each other as possible so they can sell you at. And as long as you're not focused on the main thing, um, it's like I was having this conversation. It's like, say I've got 10% down in my house, right?

You know, why is it that I have to pay 100% of the property tax, 100% of the homeowners insurance? Nobody ever asked that question. We're too busy fighting over who gets the pee in what bathroom. You know, so as long as the bank cartels and the corporate media can keep us at each other's throat over ridiculous things, it's easy to distract them. media can keep us at each other's throat over ridiculous things, it's easy to distract them. So yeah, Project Mockingbird was a deep state operative project that influenced the media. And, you know, there were many, many times, you know, look at the MKUltra releases where our own government has gone undercover and violated people's civil rights. And it wasn't released until 50 60 years later um you know we could go back to the tuskegee experiments where people

and in the south were you know given syphilis and allowed to be sick um so when people want to give unfettered control to this government i would implore you to look at the history of this government that you know just because something is legal doesn't make it right slavery was legal in this country jim crow laws were legal in this country um you know, just because something is legal doesn't make it right. Slavery was legal in this country. Jim Crow laws were legal in this country. You know, there is a distinct morality that is different from the law. And we're seeing it everywhere. We just saw it in Gallup, New Mexico.

I don't know if you saw this story where our governor used what's called the Riot Control Act to shut that city down completely. They brought the National Guard in to cut off any entrance or exit from that city. So the military with weapons basically shutting down that city under martial law. And I would say, you know, we have to be very careful from a legal perspective in this country because we use precedents. You know, Roe v. Wade, we call it the law of the land. But basically what happens, it's a judicial decision that is precedent. So we're not allowed to overrule that in any jurisdiction.

So now if we can use the Riot Control Act, which, you know, one would think that the riot would actually be happening. And how would we find a riot? Well, a large group of people that are violent. That's not what's happening here. To quarantine a city. And on the second offense, if you violate their curfew right now, it's a fourth degree felony. So now you can be a felon for going outside your house to go get water if you don't obey their rules. And so, you know, people like that way. Be safe. Be safe.

So, I mean, you guys aren't allowed to go to the grocery store and stuff like that or. Well, that's that's in Gallup. That's not in Albuquerque. But, you know, it's about two hours from here wow and um you know they're basically saying that because there's a high high percentage of people with covet at the indian reservations that they have to shut the city down to get a hold of it in some way shape or form so they have a curfew and um like i said they've got the state police there they've got the national guard there and you know again looking at history we're talking about the 50th anniversary of the kent And like I said, they've got the state police there. They've got the National Guard there. And, you know, again, looking at history, we're talking about the 50th anniversary of the Kent State shootings where 12 people were shot at Kent State for protesting the Vietnam War. You know, so so the idea that we're bringing up the National Guard on the anniversary date where, you know, American citizens were killed in cold blood by people with our know, with our United States uniforms and guns on.

It's really eerie to me. And if nobody says something, why wouldn't they just intrude more? And, you know, every 20 years or so, it seems like we have another war on a noun that somehow always ends up with us losing more of our rights. So 2020, we'll have a war on a virus. You know, 2000, we had a war on terror. You know, 1980, we had a war on terror. 1980, we had a war on drugs. And what happens with all of these things? Well, I don't know. Maybe Reagan was bringing crack cocaine into the inner cities, influencing the community. That is a fact.

It has been proven. 2000, what did we get out of 2001? We got ICE. We got the Department of Homeland Security. We got TSA. We got the Patriot Act. We got Guantanamo Bay. We got the FISA courts, which is now in the news as well.

And we got to, you know, probably illegal wars that are still ongoing to this day. But, you know, the elites, what do they do? They learn. So the draft not so popular. You know, the draft was sort of the reason why the Kent State thing happened. Anyway, the draft is why Muhammad Ali sat in jail, because under good consciousness, they couldn't go to another country and kill people when this country wasn't doing anything for anyway. The draft is why Muhammad Ali sat in jail, because under good consciousness, they couldn't go to another country and kill people when this country wasn't doing anything for them. So what did our government do? They said, oh, we'll learn from this. What we'll do is we'll give people free college, and we'll just recruit them and pay them. And then people won't be so outraged that it's not their brother that's getting picked to go to war. And so where's that

disproportionately hit? Well, you know, inner cities, people that don't have a way up. So we go in there and we say, hey, you want to see the world kid? How about preschool? Why don't you go over to Iraq? And then what happens? They go over there, you know, they're traumatized, they lose a leg, they come back here, we don't take care of them here either. So, you know, the government overreach is very concerning to me. And I am concerned with the virus. Don't get me wrong. People are dying from it. It's a horrible thing. There's a real pandemic happening, but it's possible to carry two ideas in your head at the same time. For people that maybe don't know, why was your Instagram taken down a few years,

maybe like two years ago? Oh, that was for copyright violation uh so those were from like ufc videos um from the fighters that i treat uh that uh in retrospect it looks like what happened was you know they were selling zupa was selling to endeavor and espn was going to own all that content so what they wanted to do was basically eliminate any of those content or any of that content that's out on the internet so that they could sell all of it. And now endeavors and deep shit, you know, they got $4.5 billion in debt.

Um, you know, so the interest that they're having to pay on that right now, just to even keep themselves afloat, uh, is really difficult. I remember you posting a bunch of stuff about like crabs and that was getting censored.

Where the hell did that come from? Yeah, there was a, there was a crab video I posted where a crab like ran into a boiling pot of oil or something like that. And the post was deleted for like self-injury or suicide or something like that. It's a crab, not a human being. It's a crab. So, you know, uh, my instincts being contrarian, it's probably why I'm in the field that I'm in is when somebody pushes on me, I tend to push back and amplify that.

So that turned into dozens and dozens of crap videos and sort of like an ongoing meme on my feed. So anytime some authoritarian this happens, posting crap videos is sort of a symbol of resistance. Nice. What are your thoughts on the quarantine in general? Nice. What are your thoughts on the quarantine in general? Well, you know, obviously, if a quarantine was going to really work, at least as far as eliminating the virus, what we would need is a real quarantine. So, you know, two weeks, smash it down, you know, 14, 15 days where literally no one is allowed to leave their house, including essential work, including hospitals, because all it takes is one person to propagate the virus again. So the intent of flattening the curve, and notice that's not around much anymore, right?

Which was a real concern. We didn't have any evidence, but in an era where we react first and the facts come second, and in an era where we are charged up to expect the worst out of each other, this was the perfect storm, per se, when we had people really dying, when we had the ability to point fingers in an election year, you know, and it made it a political issue very quickly. And you can sort of look at some of the things that, you know, in retrospect are coming out. So, for example, in the lady that, you know, the fish take lady

now being investigated for homicide, right? The hydrochloric clean versus the chloroquine or whatever. It was like, oh, what do you know the fish tank lady um now being investigated for homicide right the hydrochloric clean versus the chloroquine or whatever it was like oh what do you know i just happened to magically have malaria medication in my cabinet and then you know they managed to make it 65 years the husband was an engineer that worked for john deere systems uh managed to make it to retirement never died but at this point decides to drink fish take cleaner um for a virus that you didn't even have so when you hear a story like that the bell should go off in your head you'd be like hmm something sounds a little fishy it's like the jesse smollett right it's it's a polar vortex 20 below zero you know he goes out

the street to go get subway at two in the morning in downtown chicago and there's these roaming bands of maga country people that pour bleach on it. This is MAGA country. When you hear that story, you should go, hmm, something sounds a little bit fishy here. Maybe I shouldn't just run with this and point fingers. This doesn't make sense. So we're seeing this over and over and over again, where people want attention, people want to hurt their political adversaries or whatever it is. And because we have a demand for outrage that's greater than the supply, a lot of times that ends up being fake. And I think we've seen the same thing here when it comes to news about the quarantine.

It's very difficult to find out the truth and i think everybody's sort of realizing that you know everything seems to be oriented around the president or around uh political parties and and it's really i guess it shouldn't be shocking but that's sort of where we are in this time um that now even viruses have d's or r's next to them have you personally been i mean i obviously probably have but i'm curious what type of precautions you've been taking for yourself. Not necessarily for the virus, but more so as far as like your rights are concerned, because like myself, when I think about this whole quarantine, it seems kind of ridiculous. But at the same time, it's just kind of like, what else are we supposed to do? Like, yeah, there are people protesting at the Capitol, but I mean, you don't have enough to lead anywhere. So like what have you been doing personally in your life, business, family to be able, I guess, to still hold on to get some semblance of the rights that you have?

Yeah, I mean, you know, one person isn't enough to do anything right. If it was and this is the sort of sad thing, too is like, if people don't unify, um, there's no ability to make change. And if you look at some of the groups in this country that were able to do it the best, they would be African-Americans and finally gay people. But you know what? Sometimes that took violent outreach and I'm not promoting violence, but sometimes, you know, it might take a Birmingham.

It might take a, an LA riot. It might take a Watts riot for people to realize like something needs to happen here. And people here are quick to turn on each other instead of saying, you know, we're a community together, we need to stick together. You know, I think the only thing that I've been able to do is just try to shed light on some of the inconsistencies in what is happening. You know, if Roe v. Wade is the law of the land, I don't know how states and governors can unilaterally trample over Article 1, Article 2, Article 5, Article 8. You know, the governor of New Mexico, again, was able to take the cell phone data from people without a warrant, without a subpoena, and track where all these cars are going. You know, I treat a lot of

officers and they're like, you know, if we have a missing person, we have to get a warrant to be able to access somebody's ping or cell phone data. If there's a missing person, much less if they're going to track the data of the entire state to see where you're going and who you're around. You know, it's just, and then you look at, you know, article eight, which is excessive fines or bails. How are you going to charge somebody $1,000 or $1,500 for going outside in a global recession? How is that not excessive fine? So unfortunately, in our society, I think people have either intentionally not been educated on their rights, or they've been trying to convince that their rights don't matter. And I think one of the things that's important right now is for

people to remind people, you know, we got all the way to the 13th and 14th amendment. That was really crucial for this country, but that doesn't mean that we're just going to throw away the first and the second and all these other abilities for us to, to, to be a free human being. Um, and it's, it's a scary time when it comes to that, you know, and some of this stuff we sort of give into, right. When we sign the agreement forms on Facebook or YouTube or whatever, you know, we prefer the convenience and we're sort of willing to give up some of those rights. So to answer your question, I don't know if I have one, but I think as long as we can try to educate other people about, you know, how far we've come to get rights and, you know, what rights you actually do have, you know, it shocks me still to this day when I see people get pulled over

and they start making the case for the officer and it's like listen they don't come to your job and do your job for you you have this little thing called the fifth amendment you don't have to make the case stop making the case shut up don't say anything say i would like to speak to my attorney say am i being detained like in knowing your rights is the first step in not having your rights violated what are your like, what goes through your mind when you see some of these, like, I don't know if you're on Twitter and you follow the hashtag, like, film your hospital. And people are, like, they're filming empty hospitals and even some, like, quote, whistleblowers, like nurses and doctors saying, like, hey, nothing's going on. And then today I didn't watch it because we started doing this, but I had seen like a New York nurse crying because she's saying that they're putting people on ventilators and they don't need to be. So when it comes to like not knowing who to trust, like what's your take on some of these,

I guess I'll say first person news reports coming from social media? You know, like I said, I think you summed it up. It's really hard to know where to trust. I don't pertain to be an expert in virology or even public health. I do have a Master of Science degree in Exercise Science and Public Health, but it's not something that I study frequently.

And you may also be the smartest person we've ever had in the podcast. Because you've got some crazy iq going on over there um he's trying to make me blush uh i don't you know i i don't know i think you make a really good point there like who do you trust um it seems at least so so i went before they put the police in when this first started going down in March, I went to all three of our major hospitals because I needed to see for myself. It's very easy to take other people's word for things, but I'm one of those Missouri kind of guys. Show me.

I want to see the results. So I went to all three hospitals, and they were the emptiest I've ever seen them when I was allowed to go in. Now they have police in the front, so you can't go in. But I'm treating emergency physicians and nurses, and they're being furloughed, and they don't have very many cases here. So circling back to the question that you had before, like flattening the curve was sort of the point of all of this, right? We didn't want to overwhelm the hospital system. Every public health official that I've seen never said that there were going to be a decreased amount of total deaths, no matter really what we did, as long as we didn't overwhelm the hospital system,

as long as we had enough hospital beds and enough ventilators. But pushing that curve out would just mean that more people will die in the fall than would have died if this thing went right off the bat. So what I'm seeing from people is they're moving the goalposts. So now that we have managed to flatten the curve in most of these areas, we've managed to get enough ventilators in these hospitals. We managed to create enough hospital beds that aren't being used. Comfort left New York. They didn't put anybody in the Javits Center in New York. So they did flatten the curve. So we didn't overwhelm hospital systems anywhere. So why aren't we going back to opening back up? Well, there's a lot of reasons for that. In the case of New Mexico, anecdotally speaking,

there are many of my patients that are making significantly more money on unemployment now than they usually do. I know in California, New York, that's not the case, you know, because the cost of living is so high there. But $1,100 a week in New Mexico goes a long way. So those people, and I don't blame them, they have every incentive in the world to say, why would I go back to my shitty job where I make half of that? You know, I'm scared. And people generally are scared, you know, people are getting sick and dying. The question is, is to what extent? And like you said, do we know where was the evidence from the get go? The ventilator was the preferred treatment for, you know, COVID-19. We still didn't even really know the mechanism of action of how the virus is killing people. To this date, we still

don't exactly know. There's a lot of competing theories. Some people posit that it damages red blood cells, the heme ring, so that we're not carrying oxygen on the iron. A lot of people posit that it's damaging the epithelial tissue because of the receptors, and that's where the damage is happening. Some people posit that the amount of fever that's getting so high that people that already have high blood pressure are having strokes. Some people are positing that the ventilators themselves are damaging the lungs. So, you know, because people aren't allowed to go in with, you know, another person with them, people aren't informed again with their rights, with their medical rights. You know, people don't know what HIPAA means.

They don't know what in or out of network means. And sometimes they feel pressured to do treatments that they, you know, maybe don't know enough about or didn't have enough time to research because they're scared. And, you know, it goes back to education. So I don't really know, you know, in some of these big hospitals, I know that here in New Mexico, at least we've had a few nursing homes that people are dying. And, you know, the Illinois Department of Public Health, they're not trying to hide this, right? In my opinion, the media is twisting. They were very clear. If you heard what she said, she said, listen, if somebody goes in with a heart

attack or cancer and is in hospice for that and dies and dies from cancer or heart attack, and they have COVID-19, we are categorizing that as a COVID-19 death not a covid 19 cause death but when you look at cnn and they have all the big bright numbers on the right side of the screen they're not they're not telling people the difference between the two they're not saying that a covid related death is not necessarily a covid cause death well why they need ratings right so um i just saw that we're calling the giant asian hornet a murder hornet now. I'm like, Jesus Christ. Fake news media. Holy shit.

Like, remember, remember killer bees? Like, not Wu-Tang, but remember killer bees? Like, weren't they supposed to come kill us all? This was the Africanized honeybee? Whatever happened to that? Whatever happened to the hole in the ozone layer? Whatever happened to Ebola? Whatever happened to ISIS? Like, the media constantly needs something to scare us with and so it's like oh people are getting used to covid virus here

comes the murder hornet we were fucking just talking about that murder hornet right before you came on shit's scary though it's it's pretty big it's pretty big oh god what's next? The genocidal yellow jacket. Jesus. That's amazing. Do you think, uh, there's been, um, you know, that this has been a case of like poor leadership or do you think that, um, this is, uh, just, uh, something that we never had to really deal with on a global scale. And so, uh, you know, it, you know, it's easy to look back and say, OK, we probably should have done this, this or this. But do you think that there's some poor leadership going on from politicians? Yeah, I mean, I actually think that for the most part, all of our politicians, including the president, including the governors, have have done as much as they probably could

have done to mitigate the virus. Like, I don't know how much other than completely shutting everything down. Like I said, I don't know much more you could have done. Like we have, we have, you know, epidemics all the time. We have each one and one, we have SARS. And that's sort of the price you get for living in a global economy. You know, we have international travel all the time, you know, viruses are mutating all the time. And eventually what happens is, you know, a pandemic then becomes something that we're used to. And then we just call it a seasonal virus. So, you know, influenza, for example, has been a pandemic over and over and over again. It's basically always a pandemic. You know, it jumps hemisphere to hemisphere every single year

and it mutates all the time, but we don't call it a pandemic anymore. We've just become accustomed to the amount of deaths associated with it. And so we just call it a seasonal disease, even though it does kill the elderly and kill the young. And it's a very serious thing. And it depends on where you live, too. We tend to care about rich deaths in this country and in Europe. We don't tend to care about, you know, all the people dying from HIV in Brazil and in Africa and the amount of people that die from malaria in the tropics that happens every single year. And a lot of it, I think, has to do with fear. You know, you'll hear politicians and the media constantly say, hey, we're not willing to trade money for lives.

And that's a damn lie, obviously. You know, we estimate we lose half a million people a year just from cigarette smoking. But we sort of accept that cultural damage because we get revenue from those cigarette companies because, you know, we want to give people autonomy in this country. There are such things as informed consent. We don't knock the cheeseburgers out of people's hands because of the cost of the medical system from obesity. A lot of people would argue maybe you should, you know, I would tend again as a civil libertarian to say, hey, listen, you're willing to make your own decision in this country as an adult, but you're also responsible for the consequences of your action.

I think you could be 500 pounds if you want to, but I think you should probably pay for your health care because you know the consequences of those actions. If you want to smoke cigarettes, if you, you know, I'm even against the war on drugs. I think people, if they want to use drugs, again, I believe in informed consent. If they want to try novel medical procedures, it's not the government's job to protect people from themselves. The government's job is to educate them. You know, we don't knock people and say, hey, I'm going to go, you know, bungee jumping or jumping out of a plane with a parachute. Say, hey, listen, there's no benefit from that. No, you sign a piece of paper, you're aware you could die, and you're allowed to do it,

no matter the cost. So I think that we're running into, you know, a babysitting culture where we're not holding people accountable when they choose to make the wrong decisions. And instead, we're trying to make those decisions for them. And I think that's sort of a problem. You know, I think we've lost the accountability. And the other thing, too, like every generation, it's always been the young people that have been anti-establishment, anti-authority. You know, they've been the ones sitting out for civil rights. They've been the ones saying, I don't want to go die in another country for this country

that doesn't care about me, that doesn't take care of me. In this generation, the young people seem to be the most NPC, the most robotic about it. They're like, just listen to authority. I just want to stay home. And it's really shocking to me to see that shift. And it may be that things have been so good during the course of their lifetimes that they've never seen, you know, real war. They've never seen real human tragedy.

So to them, this is the biggest thing that's ever happened to them. And to me, like, you know, I know a lot of greatest generation people, the people that are the most vulnerable to this disease. They're like, you know what? I've seen the Great Depression. I've seen World War II. I've seen the Civil Rights Movement. You know, I've seen the cold war. We've had to hide under desks to nuclear weapons are coming. If this is the way God wants me to go, then that's going to be it. But I'm not going to spend the last 10 years of my life

locked in my house. And then you see the young people that have never seen anything. And they're like, Oh my God, let me wear gloves. And the gloves thing, man, that is where did the gloves come from? Holy shit. Nobody ever said wear gloves. Nobody, no health, no health care body, no expert, nobody. You see him at the store. The guy wears the gloves. He like wipes his nose.

He touches the money, touches a cell phone, touches your groceries, doesn't change the gloves and then goes on to the next set of groceries. Like, what is that? You know, like, you know, we have antimicrobial properties on our skin. There's billions and billions of viruses and bacteria living on your skin at all times. That's the reason why you don't mold and don't rot is because you have an ability to fight those things off. When you're dead, you rot because fungus and bacteria starts to eat you. So when you wear, you know, gloves, you're actually providing a greater vector to put that virus onto something else. You know, one thing that you were mentioning

about our younger generation, like obviously social media is super prevalent nowadays, but I think, and I mean, I could probably safely assume that that's one of the reasons things have been directed in the way they have, because initially when like you're told to stay home you then have all these people starting with celebrities posting the stay home pictures and the with the little sticker thing and then everybody else starts posting about that then there's all these memes about how dangerous the coronavirus is and then it's just like it gets people in this mind that you need to do this if you're going to follow on socially with what everybody else is doing so you were mentioning how like this is the first time we've had a pandemic in this era. And I feel like if we do have another

one, social media is going to play a big part in terms of directing people in terms of what they need to do. Yeah. And I think we saw this before when it came to like mass shootings and things like that. I remember when Facebook openly admitted when there was that shooting in France, and you could put like the French flag over your picture, they were tracking that to see who was the most able to be influenced by those types of things. Who was willing to reach out and virtue signal and say, Hey, look, I'm a good person too. You know, I don't want to be ostracized. I don't want to be out of the group.

I care about people too. You know, I don't want grandma to die as well. And that's the way it's being framed, of course. Like everything's a nuanced debate. Very few things in life are zero sum. Like I said, you can carry two ideas. So now the idea is like either you stay home or you're going to kill your grandma. Like, you know, it's a little bit deeper and more complicated than that.

And people are like, why won't you just stay home? Well, I don't know. People have busted their lives. They went to school for decades. They spent 10, 15 years building their small business so that they could leave something for their family and to retire on. And the government has unilaterally stepped in and said, you can't do that, but I can go to Walmart. I can go to Lowe's. I can go to these other big box stores. No big deal. I can continue to get my salary as a congresswoman or as a governor, but you can't go do what you want to do. Just accept this $1,200

and sit there and shut up, Pez. And I think people feel strongly against that. And yeah, of course, if Will Smith doesn't stay home, have you seen Will Smith's house? Have you seen Mark Bell's house? Mark Bell, when he stays home, this guy's got a gym. This guy's balling out. There's a lot of people that they share a room or they have five people in one apartment.

And when you're telling them to stay home, that's not the ideal situation. We're asking young people to sacrifice a lot right now. You know what I mean? Like kids are losing their boyfriends and their girlfriends and they can't go to senior prom. They can't graduate. They can't, you know, play the sport. Say you're 14 and you're trying to get a college scholarship. You fought tooth and nail to make varsity, but now you're the starting pitcher and they just eliminated your season. And now if you go to a party, you know, the elderly people are yelling at you and telling you, you're so, you're the starting pitcher and they just eliminated your season. And now if you go to a party, you know, the elderly people are yelling at you and telling you, you're so you're so horrible. You're a terrible person, blah, blah, blah. You don't care about the elderly.

And, you know, again, I'm a 2A component. But think about if you switch that argument. When young people were scared from school shootings, when young people were scared from prescription overdoses, when young people are having a suicide epidemic, they speak their voice. And what do the elderly people say? And we don't really care. We're not going to listen. So now when something's affecting the elderly and they put the pressure on the young people, now the young people are supposed to drop all of their lives, passions, their goals, their relationships, their friends, because they have to sacrifice now for the elderly. And you're probably going to see a backlash.

And it looks like that's what's starting to happen when you look at the spring break uh you know goers or the house parties in Chicago um and just again the consistent overreach and then when you see like our quote unquote leaders are not doing what they they're telling us to do the mayor of Albuquerque was up you know uh inner tubing with his kids when he's telling everybody you're in a lockdown you know uh the mayor of Chicago was out getting haircuts, but you know, you cannot go get a haircut. And then she's like, well, I have to be on TV. Oh, high and mighty election official. Cool story. Um, and you see this all the time, you know, Nancy Pelosi's eating ice cream in front of her, you know, super rich refrigerator. Um, and what you're seeing is, is, is sort of a,

in a way, class warfare. And I feel like if you look at the establishment and the way things have gone, there's this continually pitting the middle class against the lower class by the elites. And I think you're seeing the same thing happen again here now. Walmart's fine. Lowe's is fine. All these other places are fine. But it's the middle, upper class, small business, mom and pop shops that are really taking the beating here. And then we, you know, we fund $1,100 to the poor people and let them put the pressure on the smaller businesses who are all going to go under, which then creates an even greater monopsony. And when you look historically at businesses, if you look at the 70s and 80s, there was always a competitor. MCI had AT&T, Pepsi had Coke, Burger King had McDonald's. When you look at the

organizations now, tell me who Facebook's competitor is. Tell me who YouTube's competitor is. Tell me who Amazon's competitor is. I mean, they've created functional monopsonies. Who are the bank's competitors? Can you go start your own bank? I mean, technically, yes, but you don't possibly have the collateral to do that. Start another Amazon. Well, you can start your own Amazon if you don't like what they're doing. Not really, right? No, of course not. You know, and again, when you look at how the laws always go into place, the tax system, right? You know, most of the loopholes are written by politicians because this isn't a democracy. We vote somebody in who's supposed to go, you know, fight for us. But of course, you know, they should have a NASCAR uniforms on to show us who they're bought and sold by. And they go write the laws that help the richest people to avoid the taxes. Even Warren Buffett has said his effective tax rate is less

than his secretary's. So we have this marginal tax rate that that by far hurts the middle and middle upper class. And so what you're seeing is a shrinking of that middle and middle upper class. You know, the the richest people are growing, too too, but really it's the poorest class that's growing the most. And again, it's sort of like we were talking about with the homeownership. If we keep the poor people and the middle class people at each other's throats, then they don't notice that we're pilfering money and giving it to, you know, Raytheon and we're bailing out Amtrak and PBS. giving it to you know raytheon and we're bailing out amtrak and pbs i mean if you look through that stimulus bill the amount of money that goes to all these big global corps is shocking we got one sixth with the with the stimulus checks of the money that went into all that stuff

what you're saying is kind of scary in a way because um people um they may not even be able to afford the american dream which is just which is just a dream and is just a way of living beyond your means. I mean, that's the American way. Like a lot of us, you end up living beyond your means. Hopefully, at some point, you learn a lesson from that and you get yourself out of that. what you're talking about with the poor growing, what could potentially happen over a period of time is that dream is completely dead and people don't have, they don't have like hope, you know, and that could be a really ugly thing. Yeah. And kind of like I was talking about how the elites learn their lesson, right? They learn that people didn't like the draft. So let's formulate another

way to continue our for-profit wars but have people sort of forget about it because it doesn't affect them that's how you can allow an iraq war to go on for 19 years or an afghanistan war to go on for 19 years and still taking kids from america from this state were born after 9 11 even happened and shipping them over there for what you tell me why well they've also learned the same thing look at the french revolution so if you take enough people people are not willing to put their lives in the line unless their Maslow's are not met. If their child is going to starve, they will pick up a pitchfork or a hammer and a sickle, and they will go to the elite's neighborhoods. So what they do is they make sure to give you

just enough to get by. Here's 1,200, whatever else, just enough to get by. And as long as your Maslow's are met, as long as you've got enough food to eat, as long as you've got enough Netflix to watch, you're not going to actually speak up against the gross inequality or inequity that's happening. They know that we won't come to their neighborhoods with pitchforks right now, as long as I can watch my Tiger King, you know, as long as I can get my 99 cent chicken nuggets. Yeah, they keep us addicted to those sorts of things as a distraction. Meanwhile, you know, people are just scraping by nobody has any savings, you know, quarter of this country didn't have enough to live on from a month or two. And we intentionally make sure that people are financially illiterate. Because the truth is, is if you're financially literate, you should never be in poverty, right? That means you know how to save. That means you don't use credit. That means you know how interest works. That means you know how to apply for a mortgage. That means you know how variable credit rates go. But the point is, is that our education system doesn't teach us any of that intentionally.

Intentionally, we learn all about your state's history. We learn all about dinosaurs and geology and algebra and cursive and shit you'll never use in your entire life. Who's there to teach you about how to apply for a mortgage or how a student loan work or what interest rates are or how a credit card company or what bankruptcy laws are? Who's teaching you that thing? Unless you're the type of person to go out and look for that on your own, you're going to be SOL. Same thing with how health insurance works. I was part of a task force here in New Mexico and I wanted this money to go to the hospitals for there to be a room with movies

playing so people could understand how their benefits work. So they knew what out of network and in network meant. So they knew what a copay was. 87% of people don't have any healthcare literacy. So they go in to have a procedure and they don't know what it means to be in or out of network. And then some doctor they don't know is out of their network, comes in, helps for five minutes, and they get a $40,000 bill because they didn't understand the difference. We're not teaching people about their rights. We're not teaching people about finances rights. We're not teaching people about finances. And you can't tell me that it's an accident. We find time to teach them all about, you know, every possible minute outlier that exists out there. You know, we give people

student loans to go study underwater basket weaving. We allow 18 year olds to, you know, get $80,000, $100,000, $120,000 with a student loan debt that you can't bankrupt. I mean, what a scam is that? And who's teaching them? Like we just condition people. You have to buy the house. You have to buy the car. You have to get this. You have to go to college. But are we telling people, is that the best investment for your future? Because why do we work? Right? Like, let's think about this. Yeah. It gives us some sense of, you know, meaning. But the truth is we're trading hours of our lives for money, which then we exchange for food, good services and things like that.

And people tend not to think like that. You know, we condition kids at an early age. You go to school from seven to three. You just go to school and sit there. So now they're conditioned till they're 18 to do the same thing. Now let's go to work nine to five. You just sit there and give me your TPS report, make the copy. And then if you're a good boy, well, after 10 years of serving us, then you can go to middle management. You know, nobody's teaching people, Hey, listen,

you don't necessarily have to do that. There's a million things that you could do. You could, you could, you know, especially in the internet or you could sell any widget in the world. You could do things that you want to do and you could do them in a way that's financially viable, where you do keep those hours of your life back. Because in reality, for most people, that's what it is. Unless you're a business owner, you're trading hours of your life for credits, which our government, by the way, doesn't balance the budget at all. You know, I don't, you know, I think I operate under the same old premise. I'm like, Oh, yeah, we can't afford universal health care. But if this whole situation has taught us anything, I don't you know, I think I operate under the same old premise. I'm like, oh, yeah, we can't afford universal health care.

But if this whole situation has taught us anything, I don't want to hear that shit ever again. They just printed two point five trillion dollars out of nowhere to give to airlines, to give to universities, to give to all these big corporations. So don't tell me you can't afford health care. Just tell me it's not a priority to me because you don't care about balancing the budget anyway. You're willing to just print money and deflate the value of the currency of people's bank accounts at any given whim just to take care of your rich buddies so when you say we can't afford health care just say it's not important to us just say homeless people aren't important to us just say it's more important for us to have wars around the world it's more important for us

to give financial aid to all these countries that hate us than to take care of homeless people just just i want our politicians to just be honest about it. Just say that out loud. Well, I want to know about this because you were talking a lot about education and obviously you said you got your master's. So you want you've gone through the schooling system. Have you always thought this way? Or is this a way that like this, I guess, way of thinking, is it something that like your parents taught you and you went through and taught yourself all these things? Because a lot of the things you're talking about, majority of it is not taught in school, especially the history aspect of things. You're extremely, I guess, you know a lot about history, which is surprising. Not that you know, but just like most people, including myself, don't know a crazy amount about history.

So how did you, i guess uh figure out that this is the way you need to be going about things and this is what we need to be thinking about things yeah i don't know i'm just i'm a curious person and and again my spider sense goes off if something doesn't make sense let's dig a little deeper on it right so um you know and again you're talking to somebody who has seven college degrees so So if anybody's wasted money on education, it's me, you know, um, it's a good question. Some of that come from your parents or something like that, or my parents didn't graduate college, you know, my parents didn't finish college. Um, and they're, they're actually far wealthier than I am, by the way, uh,

um, to, to show that, you know, one doesn't always equal another, obviously. Yeah. I think, you know, I was watching college jeopardy. I like to test myself on jeopardy sometimes. And I was watching college jeopardy and these brilliant kids, right? There's these categories and they were just kicking the shit out of 16th century French literature. And the British bill of rights came on as a category, and they didn't hit one single one. So this is not being taught. Rights aren't being taught in the most prestigious universities. And a lot of people don't realize we tend to think of these American ideals as so unique. The truth is the vast majority of our Bill of Rights was copied from

the British Bill of Rights. You know, basically the only two that are significantly different are that not to quarter troops and the right to bear arms, because we just came out of an armed conflict with them. The French helped us to win. But all those other ones, you know, cruel and unusual punishment, right to a speedy fair trial, right to not incriminate yourself, those are actually ideals that were formed in England. So we didn't come up with those as American only ideals, we sort of copied them. So many people don't know that. But obviously, they don't know the origins of where, you know, the workers movement in England came to fight for people's rights as well. You know, again, a lot of people don't realize that, that, you know, slavery was actually banned far before it was in America and England that doesn't give England, you know, a pass,

because they sure profited off of slavery in Barbados and Jamaica and the United States colonies as well. They just sort of hid it away from everybody. Oh, it's not here in England. So so we're good, even though we're getting all the sugar cane and, you know, all the cotton and all these things from our colonies over there. But the history is really important to know and understand and alternate views of history as well. is really important to know and understand and alternate views of history as well. So I think what we need to do is to look at when most truths come like this, right? Follow the money trail. So if somebody truly wants you to believe something, there's probably a motive somewhere along the way for that. In our country, in my opinion, when you look at the commercials from the 70s and 80s, they're very, very different. In the 70s, if you look at what was happening, right, we had a recession, there was an oil embargo, the economy wasn't in great shape.

So if you watch a commercial on TV, you'll see something like this is a great value for the family. You know, da da da da da da da. In the 80s, it's like, holy shit, this has got 7000 buttons on it. Juice stuffs, steroids, blah, blah, blah. This is how you buy love for your kids. So what fundamentally changed there? And again, I'm a pretty pro-capitalism guy, credit cards. We invented a credit system. Now you can buy things that you had to save for before. Now you can have it now. But what's the consequence of that? Oh, 21% variable interest

rates, 20% interest rates. So the elites created a credit debit system that's even greater to this day. You know, the banks invent dollars to loan to you. They don't even have the dollars that they're supposed to. If you look at the history of the currency of money, you know, going back to agrarian society, why was there money to begin with? I mean, originally, you'd be like, listen, I've got a bag of grain. You've got two chickens. That seems like a fair deal. We'll go ahead and make that trade. But eventually what happens is some people are smarter or better dealers or luck. A lot of wealth is from luck. Let's not act like it isn't.

Happen to be in the right place at the right time. Not everybody that got money is a genius. So what happens is somebody is better than the other. And so eventually they get a whole bunch of bags of grain. They're like, shit, I can't carry all those bags of grain around. We need something that's more efficient here. Well, okay. What is a metal that doesn't rust and it's malleable? Well, it could be gold or silver, I guess, maybe copper.

Well, how do we make sure that this is worth something? Well, I guess we'll stamp the King's face on it. So then we'll say one coin is worth 10 bags of grain. So now I can carry around my coin that's 10 bags of grain. Same thing happens again. Now I've got 5,000 coins. Well, A, I'm at risk of people rolling into my village and killing me for my coins. And B, it doesn't make sense to carry that many coins around. So banks. So now I get a piece of paper that says I have X amount of coins in there. And a bank says, hey, in order for us to hold your coins, I'll give you some money back, some interest back. So you used to make 4%, know, four or five, 6% interest on a bank. If you used to have a million dollars in

a bank, you can live off the interest. Of course you make 1% now. So that's not real anymore because there's no real dollars. And so eventually what happens is we, we, we move out of the bills into off of gold currency, and then we move into debit and credit. And now we just have zeros and ones, just binary code. We literally just invent debt and now we're selling debt. If you guys watch the big short, it's like, how the fuck do you sell debt? It's not real, it's fake. You bunch five people's debt together

and sold it at an interest rate. What in the fuck is that? So our financial system is just, it's crazy now. So when we created credit cards, you know, when we created mortgages and all these things, then in order to sell the most of them, then we have to convince people like, listen, you don't need a family society anymore.

You know, in all these other countries, even if you look at old TV shows, grandma used to live with the family, right? What's the name of that? Family matters or whatever else. Like you had grandma or somebody that was there to help you raise your children. So you had a family unit and you still see this in other parts of the world, but that's not good for banks. That's not good for realty companies.

That's not good for home builders. So now what do we say when you're 18, get your dumb ass out of the house and go pay for an apartment or buy a house. Now I've got two mortgages. Also, you know, you don't want your grandma around, so let's put her in a nursing home. Now I've got to pay for that. Now I go to work and I've got to pay for childcare because grandma's not here to help me raise my child. So all these other influences are now getting paid dollars while you go to work and trade hours of your life just to swim, just to swim, to pay for all of these other things. Now you have three generations of people that are indebted to a bank, will never pay it off. All the interest is paid at the front. And even if they do pay their house off, nothing is really yours because if you don't pay your property taxes,

men with guns will come and take you away from the house that you owe. That's the America dream. Have you thought about getting into politics yourself ever? I did formerly, but since I've been married, my wife said she'll divorce me if I ever do it. So I am now out of the race. You touched on it. Well, I mean, mean all of that you were just talking about it but you're talking about how they just printed out you know so much money um what are your thoughts on like this whole thing being a plot to um devalue the uh the american dollar uh is it a plot to devalue it i I mean, I don't know about that. You know, there's,

these things are plausible, right? They're tangible. I think it's an election year. And I think that everybody is willing to throw dollars at poor people just to give them enough to try to make themselves get votes. And they don't really care what the long-term repercussions of that are because there won't be an office in that. And, you know, if you look at the way the economic system has worked, if you look at Medicare or Social Security, the idea is we just kick the can down the road. If you even look at, like, police or fire or whatever, like, the idea of the benefit systems for a lot of these jobs, we won't pay you much on the front end. We'll give you $35,000 or whatever. But you've got great benefits. Plus, you'll retire after 20 years, and we'll give you 80% of whatever

your number was. But you know, as life expectancy has now moved to 79 or 80 and you started the fire department at 20 and you retire at 40 or 45, now I've got to hire somebody else to backfill you. So now I'm paying that salary twice. And then at 60, now that salary is paid three times over. So all of a sudden we're broken. We can't afford this stuff. But we'll kick the can down the road. And by the time somebody has to come to pay, we'll all be dead anyway. So it's no big deal. And I think that's what you're seeing with the runaway inflation, the devaluing of the dollar. And, you know, the dollar has continued to fall over time. And I think that our government has sort of just decided that, A, we're the world bank currency, so nobody can really touch us.

B, we've got a partnership with the Sauds. So as long as the petrodollar and the world runs on oil, we're still in a really great position. And C, we've got nuclear weapons. So if anybody really wants to call us out on it, our money is not backed by gold anymore. It's backed by nuclear weapons. And I think they're willing to allow deflation, excuse me, inflation, devaluation of the dollar and national debt to grow. Because obviously, like I said, we don't care about balancing anything. You know, we bring in, what, three and a half, four trillion dollars in taxes. But we spend six, this time we'll spend seven or eight trillion, I guess. So if we're not even trying to match that number up, what are taxes really then? Why are we paying taxes?

It's really just a way to keep poor people poor. If we're not actually making those budgets work, if we're just inventing money, why do we need to pay taxes anyway? What's the difference between $3 trillion in debt and $7 trillion in debt in reality? So the whole system is wild, man. I don't know where it's going. As somebody that tries to save money, and you work really hard to save money so that you have it and we continue to devalue those dollars. Just, you know, when we print money, what happens? The money that you have in your pocket is now worth less. It is worrisome in a selfish way. Why do you think your wife said she would divorce you just because of the time commitment?

Because you're already, I mean, you're already busy. No, it's the public scrutiny. I mean, you know, you and I already deal with it anyway. So you're on your race to zero followers. But when you get into politics, what people want to do is, of course, dig up every horrible, you know, possibly horrible thing you've ever done. And I don't want that to happen with me. ever done. Yeah, we don't want that to happen. Not with me. You know, if you look at the things that these people's wives and husbands really have to go through, the conspiracy theories and the death threats, you know, for most of these people, it shows you what sycophants they really are and how big a narcissist they really are, that they're willing to put their family through these kind of trials and tribulations. You know, there's other ways to get rich that you don't have to do that. Um, but these, these people are more than willing

to do it. Um, and most of the data shows that too, right? Like the vast majority of people that end up as senators or presidents are clinically narcissistic. Um, they care more about their legacy and their legend than anything else. Um, you know, it's the same old thing. It's like, uh, they're in their families sort of look at it like NBA wives too. It's a, it's the same old thing. It's like, uh, they're in their families sort of look at it like NBA wives too. It's a, it's sort of a business agreement, right? Like, you know, if you're an NBA wife, you know what the deal is, right? Your husband's traveling city to city. You live a very nice wealthy life, but you're sort of willing to, to deal with certain things. Um, and these politicians, wives, they're, you know,

their families, I guess, are willing to deal with the public scrutiny. People yelling at them in restaurants and death threats and things like that because they get Raytheon money or they get Lockheed Martin money or they get whoever, Planned Parenthood. Pick an organization. So I guess some people are willing to trade peace for money. And I don't think I would probably be willing to do it, but you know, again, I wouldn't put my family in that situation. Kind of back to and Seema's question a little bit about, did you self-educate yourself in a lot of these things or these, you know, things that you learned and, you know, getting multiple degrees? I would say this um i took enough decent classes to make me curious

about things to where i knew where to go look for information about topics um and some of it like there is a there's a problem on the internet right now because people that don't have a fundamental understanding like for example everybody's a virologist right now right like do they know what you know dna helicase is Do they know what a codon is? Do they know what a gene is? Do they know how a ribosome works? Do they know, you know, what any of those things are? Because if you don't have a baseline fundamental understanding of the language, it would be like trying to speak Spanish but not knowing how to conjugate verbs. Like, you can memorize certain things, but you can't really understand it or master it.

Some things take experience, you know, most things are multimodal, you need some didactic education, right? So some sort of foundation fundamental, which is where school can be helpful. It tells you where to go look, but you have to be a curious person and willing to go look for these things on your own as well. A lot of these things are intentionally hidden from us, you know, historically speaking, and then what you have to do is you have to get some real world experience in it, too. So you can test those theories yourself. You know, it's wild when you really think about who writes the history books. You know, I always get into this with people because when we talk about history, like, you know, so we said there's a war on drugs of the 80s, war on terror. We had a, you know, 1960 Bay of Pigs, all this stuff.

We had a war on communism, 1940 war on terror we had a you know 1960 bay of our bay of pigs all this stuff we had a war on communism 1940 war on nazism you know going all the way back to 19 you know 1900 we had a spanish american war um there's always an enemy and it seems like i don't know if it's intentional or not but we forget 10 20 years we need a common enemy um but sometimes the enemy of our enemy is is totally okay so for example we always talk about, you know, Nazi Germany. This is definitely getting demonetized, by the way, this whole podcast. So, you know, that's we always like that's a Nazi, blah, blah, blah, swastika. But you never hear people talk about Imperial Japan. Well, why? We needed a landing base, an ally to fight against communism in Asia.

But we don't we're not really taught in school about, you the rape of man king and all the slaughter that happened in china and how many people they were sticking babies on spigots and having decapitation contests and you know slaughtering people in the philippines and you know because we needed them to be an ally we were able to whitewash all of that stuff you know there was no uh you know nuremberg trial for japan in fact the emperor was actually stayed in charge for a while but douglas mccarthy taking pictures taller than him you know we allowed this thing to stay in place despite all the war crimes that happened and we're like hey in fact why don't we try to make these guys a little bit cuter and we'll introduce anime and pikachu and hello kitty and and we'll totally take away the

virility of this society that was a warrior society a society that was willing to die for their cause in fact a society that was much more difficult to deal with the nazi germany based on the fact that they believed so wholeheartedly in their cause you know nazi germany was more like people fought because they didn't want to get shot in the back of bed they didn't want their families to die. They were sort of unwilling participants, but that's why they surrendered so much too. Their troops would surrender. They would give up.

They didn't really believe in the cause for the most part. The Japanese, they were kamikaze. They believed that the emperor was the god king. They were willing to die for their cause. There were women diving under tanks with grenades, blowing them up. And this is why we couldn't invade mainland Japan. That's why many people argue that we had to use nuclear weapons, because there was no possible way to defeat them, because every man, woman and child was willing to die for their cause. So when you have people like that, and this is why America could never actually be invaded, right? Like we

everybody here has a gun, good luck storming through LA right now. You know, you'll see a unity against an outside force. The only way that we can be weakened is internally when they make us fight against each other. Um, you know, a house divided, uh, blah, blah, blah, Abraham Lincoln. Um, but, but it's interesting how history is sort of revamped based on what we needed to do. You know, you were also talking about, um, where you get your personal information. You mentioned like news networks, a lot of people watch CNN, Fox news, MSNBC, those are their news networks. Um, where like, I know you look up a lot of things, these things for yourself, and maybe you go deeper on the, on the web, but like what other sources, cause you mentioned like Al Jazeera, web but like what other sources because you mentioned like al jazeera etc what other sources could people like look at just to get maybe slightly differing viewpoints

another perspective that they probably haven't heard about at this point yeah i mean one of my go-to guys is rick sanchez not the rick and morty rick sanchez but rick sanchez on rt um just to hear a different perspective you know if you want to look at um legacy media in this country if you notice we always go really hard of russia putin putin putin putin but you don't really hear much about g and you saw the nba kowtowing to it too oh you know i don't know about anything over there you're talking about a country that literally has concentration camps a country that has social scoring systems a a country that had one child policy, you know, a brutal regime over there because we like our cheap shit. So it's OK. You know, they're they're implanting scientists and stealing information on universities.

But people are unwilling to criticize China. But we're like, oh, look at Russia. Here comes Russia again. So when you see the finger being pointed at a particular group, maybe you should hear their perspective as well. You know, so that happens a lot in the Middle middle east people like that's not really happening over here um and then come to find out years later there were false flag events like uh in syria for example the father of the child that you did a big child during the civil war where he was covered in dirt and blood the father of that has come out and said that they set that picture up. Oh, yeah. So, you know, what do you know? The media knows what sells right.

If it bleeds, it leads. What grabs attention? What grabs controversy? Children dying, racism, murder, anything that invokes fear within people. Like we said, like, look at the hole in the ozone layer. That's going to kill us all. Right. Like, why 2K is coming up?

Here comes, you know, what's it on the SARS, Ebola, 2012, killer bees, murder hornets. There's always something to make us fearful to tune in and watch that way they can sell us ads. You know, I never thought in my life that, you know, I would actually trust Fox News more than, you know, other news stations, but I'm sort of there. I feel like Tucker Carlson does tell the truth sometimes on some of this stuff. I literally can't trust anything that CNN does anymore

because they've gone so far in the tank with their war against the president that everything has a slant. I remember thinking during Barack Obama's presidency, I'm like, what are people going to, what is people going to talk about when he's not there anymore? Right. And it's like, wow. And we just we took the legacy media and flipped it on its head and went the opposite direction. And because the president has gone so hard against the media, even news networks that we thought were maybe down the center are exposing themselves left and right.

CBS, ABC, you know, and we can check things now on the internet it was like they were telling us about the kurds in syria and they literally used a clip from a kentucky gun range that you could see the clip online and they edited the bottom out so you can't see the camera phones and they willingly posted that to say that kurds were being slaughtered in this video they did it a few weeks ago they said it was a new york hospital and it was clearly a hospital in italy and they were more than willing to publish that story. So at what point do we say, listen, I can't trust anything you motherfuckers are saying anymore. And maybe, you know, and the truth is maybe we never could.

We just assume they used to tell us the truth in the past because we couldn't fact check it because we couldn't verify it. Right. We were like, hey, the big three or the big four. We just trust them. ABC, NBC. You know, the truth historically is they were probably lying to us more than because there was no accountability. People are better behaved now than they ever have been before because of cell phones, because of cameras. You hear the stories about JFK and all the sex parties and everything else like that.

Donald Trump can't sneeze without somebody leaking the information to the media. So in reality, people are much better behaved now than they ever were in the past because things were able to be hit. Now with that comes trickery, like what's a real news source and how biased is biased enough to trust? And I think if you can kind of realize, take things with a grain of salt, realize there might be some underlying truth, that helps. And you have to realize what the extreme you know networks are and what their agendas are like i love jimmy dore but you know i know where he stands on certain things and things are going to slap that direction um you know i think some of the best people out there are the blend green walls of the world people that uh are willing to cross lines and willing to discuss

things that might go against their own belief systems. I would say a Tim pool falls in that category as well. Yeah. Where they're not so beholden to their group, their, their tribe that they're willing to buck that status quo. If something is true or isn't true. And I don't think you can say that about any of the news networks,

MSNBC, Fox, CNN, any of those things, PBS anymore. And that's just sort of where we're at as a society. Like you can't watch that without watching the opposite and hearing the exact opposite story.

And when you've seen that enough times, then you know, like, listen, I can't listen to either of these independently. There's his story, her story, and somewhere in between, which is where the truth probably is. With everything being, uh, shut down. I know the UFC has shut down as well, but it looks like they're going to start maybe having some fights again, uh, coming up. How are some of your fighters doing and how,

how are some of the people at a Jackson wink? Well, Jackson's has been closed for eight weeks now. So, um, it's, it's been tricky for some of these guys because, like, you know, they're independent contractors that don't make salary. They don't get money right now. So Michelle Watterson is fighting this weekend. You interviewed Michelle when you were here. Yeah, absolutely.

Guys, make sure to go watch that video. He had an awesome interview with Michelle Watterson. It is on the channel here. She's been training at her house. She's brought folks in. She does have a little gym over there. But, yeah, gyms closed there's no ability to have like full training camps so it's going to be interesting to see how people's conditioning is holding up but um you know this card looks sick on saturday i'm really excited to see some live sports again man we lost march

madness we lost the nba you know uh season you know i i wonder if we're gonna get nfl um and these are a big part of americana man this is this is sort of what you do you bust your ass all week and you're like all right let me kick back and watch some basketball or some football um and you have your team and and you know i think that i think that hurts more than we thought it did or we never really thought that it could be taken away but here we are so i give a lot of respect to dana for like pushing forward with it i know he catches a lot of flack you know from it but in a sport where there's only two individuals going at it like you know it's one of the safer ones um despite what a lot of doctors immunologists

who are sort of virtue signaling are saying um so saturday there's uh ferguson and gaethje which is a crazy good fight um and ganu and rosenstruck's a crazy fight um cruz and sahudo should be a really interesting one um you know so it was about excuse me pseudo's got both belts cruz is the greatest phantom weight of all time he's been out three or four years um and we've got a pettis cowboy rematch so that that'll be fireworks um so it'll be really cool man you know uh michelle had a couple little dings here and there, but you know, them pushing it, I actually helped us and let her heal some more. So she looks really good.

She's fighting Carla Esparza and we're excited to see how she does. How's our boy bones? He's good right now. Uh, you know, a little run in a month ago, but you know, he's good right now. He's learning from his mistakes. Um, you know, doing a lot of archery and stuff like that. So I think he's just waiting on news for when he's going to fight again. I'm thinking maybe July or August. Any idea who he would fight?

I don't. I think the leading candidates right now are Dom Reyes or Rematch. That was a really close fight. A lot of people swear for Reyes, whereas I didn't. Jan Blachowicz is a Polish fighter. He's knocked was a really close fight. A lot of people swear at Ferreira. Of course, I didn't. Jan Blachowicz is a Polish fighter. He's knocked out a bunch of guys. That could be one that's on the table. They haven't ruled out a move to heavyweight.

He was wanting to fight Stipe. Stipe doesn't look like he's looking to fight anytime soon. If Dana gets really mad with Stipe, it wouldn't shock me to see a Bones DC at heavyweight. That could be a possibility. Or, you know, if they, you know, so like I said, Endeavor's in big financial trouble.

They need these UFC events to go on to pay off their interest. So they may need more super fights coming up. So, you know, if they're in a financial pickle, what you might, maybe we'll see this. We might see a Stylebender versus Jones fight, you know, if they feel like they need to make money fast. So I would say that's the least likely of the group, but, you know, it's not off the table necessarily. Who do you have in the Hafthor Bjornsson-Eddie Hall fight? Boy, I don't know, man. I don't know their history or background in striking.

I think Martins would probably take both of them out uh you know he's the more agile of the group and i think he has a wrestling background too if i remember correctly i mean when you watch big guys fight it's always interesting i don't know if you guys know this but marius puginowski's had like a pretty good mma career um yeah like he's got a lot of power. Now, he's built a little differently. He, again, was a lot more athletic. In WSM competitions, all the carry stuff, he was a beast on as well,

where a lot of those guys make their money on some of the overhead stuff and the deadlift stuff. I don't know. It was a big size difference, you know, after I was a big reach advantage, uh, you know,

what's their cardio going to look like? Is this boxing? Is it left way? Is it, and then I'm assuming it's boxing. Um, so I don't know. I'll watch that.

Why not? I watched Monica Lewinsky or whoever knows, uh, Tonya Hardy fight. Uh, are you getting a chance to watch, uh, you watching the last day? Yeah, man. Amazing. Right. Yeah. Pretty, pretty awesome. Pretty awesome to watch. Uh, you know, Jordan, I, I'm always fascinated by the best of the best. So like, what's something, you know, you're, you're around some world champions, like, like all the time. And at Jackson wink, I mean, you're, you're, you're around some of the best coaches you're around some of the best people, but bones is arguably, you know, the greatest fighter of all time. Like what is, and, and everyone's aware of his, you know,

different situations outside, outside the ring as well. But what are, and maybe even some of those things are part of what makes them great. What, what makes him like, what's just when you observe him and when you've been around him, what's something where you're just like, okay, that's different. And that's, I think that's like connected to him kicking everybody's ass all the time. Yeah. I would say what you're seeing out of the last dance is something similar to John.

The killer mentality that Jordan had, the ultra competitiveness, you can just see it. You know, the only other guy in the NBA that I would even say that had something similar was Kobe. And there's a lot of replication between the two, right? Not really loved by teammates, had a lot of enemies, not close with a lot of people because that type of person can't be close with. I think Tiger Woods have the same mentality. They wanted to win at all costs and they were willing to sacrifice everything to do so. That was the most important thing. And I think that's why you see the difference in clutch time between the

LeBron and a Jordan. You know, LeBron is a good guy. He's a, he's a good teammate. He passed the ball. He's a lot more like a magic Johnson or somebody like that. It's a lovable guy. Like he's, don't get me wrong. He's a killer too it's it's a lovable guy like he's don't get me wrong he's a killer too but it's a different level of killer um they don't mind hurting people they said in the last dance jordan wanted to put his foot on your throat and take you out you know there isn't a ton of guys in a lot of sports like that and i was trying to think the other day like who and what sport is like that tiger woods for sure j, Kobe. I think John falls into that category too. He does not lose. He does not like to lose.

He doesn't mind hurting you. He's willing to do whatever is necessary to win. He knows it's not a buddy sport, but these guys can turn it on. I wonder too with Jordan. Jordan was our first run at a global superstar. Everybody was a Bulls fan in the 90s. As you see some of the dirt that comes out in this interview, if there was the internet, if there was social media at that time, would he have been such a hero to people?

If they knew about the gambling stuff, if they knew he was drinking in the locker room, do we think that he wouldn't have been ostracized more? I'm not sure. Because Charles Barkley was the bad guy for some reason because he said, I'm not sure um you know because charles barkley was the bad guy for some reason because he said i'm not a role model i don't know why yeah if you remember like when we were growing up uh what they later said about jordan like right around the time he was going to retire the second time is uh they did talk about how um they felt that the press

in chicago kept a tight lid on stuff and they, they wouldn't, they wouldn't talk about stuff. I mean, obviously I don't think they were like hiding like anything crazy. Otherwise it probably would have came out. But I think it made a lot of sense. I mean, with the allegations of all the gambling and then his father's passing and there's a lot of stuff swirling around at the time, but you're a hundred percent correct. If, if there was a social media and just all the media,

cause now it's media 24 seven coming from anywhere, you know? But one thing that I thought was interesting though, was Jordan almost did have his own reality show before there was a reality show because there were so many cameras on him. He almost was like, um, you know, social media before social media, just because there was either a still camera on him or a video camera on him all the time. And I, you know, this is footage that they want to share. So there may have been times when, uh, he wasn't feeling good. There may have been times where he was rude or whatever, but you just see him every time. He's always dressed appropriately.

He always looks great. He's always on point. He always looks awake. He always looks attentive. And then with kids and fans and stuff, he's always really gracious with his time. So it's amazing. I don't know how he was able to ever keep up that pace. It was ridiculous.

Well, I think, you know, in the ESPN era, I think a lot of the early 90s and late 80s was the white suburban first introduction to a lot of black culture. And I think the powers that be wanted to really filter out what kind of black culture they wanted to allow in. So certain people were considered dangerous or threats and they were ostracized in that way. And then certain people were clean cut, allowed to do this. Um, you know,

spoke particularly enough. Uh, I think there was a clip that Barack was talking about. He's like, when you come through and you break through, there's a certain expectation of the way that you're supposed to talk. And if you don't fit that, you may not make it through.

So Oprah Winfrey, make it through Barack Obama, make it through Michael Jordan, make it through. Um, but if you're Dennis through, Barack Obama make it through, Michael Jordan make it through. But if you're Dennis Rodman or if you're Charles Barkley or if you're Terrell Owens and you don't, if you don't act the way you're supposed to, if you're not a good boy, if you're not Emmitt Smith,

if you're not Jerry Rice and wearing a suit and saying all the right things, you're going to be ostracized. And it's interesting, different sports deal with that in different ways. Basketball is interesting because in basketball, and I think this has to do with the fans too, they don't like to see a white boy do that well. That's why the Duke guys were always the enemies, you know, the Leitners and the, they don't want to see somebody that looks like them be able to do it, a six foot skinny white kid be able to do it. Right. So then they hate that person. You know, nobody thinks that they look like lebron or jordan and they're not six seven black flying through the room so they sort of accept that um so there's

some given takes i think racially that go on in these different sports um so from the superstar status like you said you have to be clean cut shaved blah blah blah don't have crazy facial hair um and so jordan was the first super universal one that was smart enough to know that. And he even quotes him in the thing. He's like, Republicans buy shoes too. I'm not about to take a stand. A lot of people hated on him for that, but there's a, there's a, there's a balance and I don't fault him for doing that.

At the end of the day, you know, loyalty and standing up for your cause doesn't pay your bills either. So, um, while I respect people like Muhammad Ali and people like that, that are willing to take a stand, I don't disrespect to Jordan for saying, listen, I need to take care of what I need to take care of. And I don't need to make a statement about something I'm not an expert on. Well, it's kind of similar to like what's been happening. You kind of mentioned it with the Houston Rockets in China and then LeBron in China, too. I think LeBron like LeBron is an activist here in the US S but then when he started

having comments on what China was doing, he's like, we need to, we need to stay out of that. But like everyone, I think like everyone realized you, do you know what's going on there? Like how can you have a stand for stuff here? But then you're just passing that by. So that's sort of like the, uh, the Dunning Kruger, right? That's just the passing knowledge, like looking like an expert. You know, in life, we can only really be great at two or three things and we kind of suck shit at everything else, right? We have a specialized society. So I don't expect an athlete to be a political science expert, but what we do expect from people is some level of consistency. So if you're going to call out an atrocity over here, we expect you to not stand up for an atrocity over

here. And I think when you don't do that then people look at you more suspect and they don't trust you as much um people want consistency people want real and that's why i like in fighting people like diaz and masvidal and people like that they don't want to feel like that person is a different person when the lights go on or off yeah nate diaz has got to be one of my favorites just because the way he always speaks is mine. I saw him at a 49ers game, and I was just like, you know, it's rare for me to be all that excited, you know, about seeing like a superstar. There's a lot of 49ers around and stuff, and it's cool. But I don't want to like bug people and be the weird fan.

I couldn't help myself when I saw Nate Dia i saw uh nate diaz there i was just like holy shit but uh when i said hi to him he just was same old guy that you see on he's like what's up dog like i was like how you doing he's like just having a good time i'm like me too i didn't i didn't want to like you know bug him for a picture or whatever but i was i was totally uh totally fanboying out you know nice all right man well thanks for your time man really appreciate it thanks for having me on yeah where can people find you brother uh just follow my name bo hightower catch me on youtube uh what are the social medias myspace uh friendster nice instagram uh yeah all those things and you have a couple clinics right

yes sir we got uh two in albuquerque go to lead-osm.com to book go see my boy carlos in vegas he's at extreme couture i'll get you fixed up you got another question in sema i'm just curious because we've been asking a lot of people this what are your thoughts on like everyone's thinking about the corona vaccine as the savior what are your thoughts on that um I think that looking at the mutation rate and again I'm no expert in virology um the way that it's mutating there's a likelihood I think and as fast as and as viral as it is um that a vaccine will probably look a lot more like the flu vaccine, that it won't be universal. It won't be something like MMR that will have seasonal shots.

And some years they'll work better than others. But again, time will tell. Cool. This looks amazing with you driving. Good luck, everybody else. Thank you so much for your time we appreciate it have a good rest of your day thank you talk to you later that was so weird yeah i didn't understand what was happening first i was like oh his camera's moving and i was like oh no wait maybe he's driving yeah yeah i was starting to get a little like seasick i'm like what's like oh man my eyes

are really bad like oh my gosh that was fun i'm happy he got off though at that point because i know there's going to be someone who's like you shouldn't be podcasting and driving or some shit like that so i was like oh good thing good thing he left at that point i forget i forget what he's told me before and i don't even know if if i would remember what's a good score or whatever but he the guy's got like some ridiculous uh iq um you know anybody that even knows their iq is probably pretty smart because why would you go and get tested it's almost like knowing your body fat like there's it it would be rare for someone to be like yeah i got tested i'm 33 you know it's probably like if someone got tested they're probably i would imagine at least under 20 you know 120 if it's a guy you know but

anyway uh he's just like crazy crazy smart and when i said he's one of the more intelligent people we've ever had on the show um that'd be like an interesting thing to try to, to try to figure out like, like who is, uh, you know, we got Ron Pana and Joel Green and we've, we've had a lot of, um, a lot of really smart people on this, uh, podcast, but you guys saw like, I mean, that motherfucker, that's my vote to put on jeopardy you know yeah like he is uh he knows a lot of stuff and maybe it's just a good stan efforting's actually uh insanely smart too it's just that we we always talk to him about like lifting pretty much but you could talk to stan about just about anything and he's way smarter than uh people might anticipate yeah what

bo has on all of them those he he'll know like current event stuff and then he'll like be first to like a bunch of new memes and stuff and social media like he just he just knows a lot about everything it's just like man no one knows yeah no one knows exactly because and then even when he said that he didn't have time for video games like i've seen some pretty like fringe stuff posted on his instagram and i'm just like oh shit i thought for sure he was a gamer but i but damn that's that's crazy so i was gonna say uh iq body fat and credit score if you don't know them there's a good chance that they're not really high or low yeah it's a good chance they're not very good

right yeah there you go his idea on education though really uh you know it makes you really think because yeah when you think about like when i learned about history in school you learned about some a lot of stuff a lot of stuff that you look back like oh that might have not actually been true you know it's just uh it's really weird the education system is really weird from k through 12. Also, you know, why not teach people about finances, you know, financial literacy, as he was saying, you know, I think there's I think there's things that and I'm sure some schools touch upon it here and there. But the financial literacy thing, I think, is massive. I don't think,

I don't think school should even really continue onward without some education of that. Um, I also think that school should use utilize a lot of stoicism as well. And they should, I mean, I think that I just think it makes sense. I think every person in the world should know who Marcus Aurelius is. So, you know, I think there's just too many, there's too many good things to learn and too many good things to know from from someone like that. It's just it's kind of a mystery on why certain things aren't taught in school. And I think that if we continue to hold on to our traditions, hey, why do we teach that?

Oh, because we always have it's like uh I don't I don't think that's a great idea anymore I mean even talking about dinosaurs while that's really fun and especially for like young kids to to talk about how much do we need to know you know how much do we need to really talk about there was these prehistoric animals that once lived here and they have bones that are in the earth and blah blah blah right and you kind of can move on to the into to the next topic or thing but do we need to know like all the presidents do we need to know all the different laws i think knowing the history of where things came from i think is really important. As he was kind of, you know, talking about, you know, kind of following a paper trail of like, you know, of money over the years,

what it's been backed by and those kinds of, that makes a lot of sense because then when we get into trouble in the future, when we have future problems, then we can say, oh, these problems have existed before. Remember when we had this problem, it was linked to that. And you can kind of connect the dots and you can make sense moving forward. But yeah, I, you know, I really hope that things change, you know, in the future with some of what's going on in our education system, because it just doesn't seem very good. Yeah. Kids love dinosaurs, though. Absolutely. I love dinosaurs though absolutely i love dinosaurs yeah it just seems like you know with with the education system it was uh you know me and sema were talking about this on our way up to uh to bodega

you know like the whole system was put together to to not not to make doctors and lawyers and scientists it was just made to put put more workers on the assembly line. So it's almost like they're picking and choosing what they want to teach you from history. They're picking and choosing what you need to learn, you know, what's going to help you just enough. And again, that's my take on it. I don't know, you know, again, that's coming from somebody who didn't appreciate school. So obviously I'm very biased towards that direction. But it's kind of hard to argue when, you know, like Bo's saying, how come they don't teach you like what happens when you do take out a college loan?

Like, I didn't know that you couldn't. I think I wish I knew. Yes. I didn't know that you couldn't file for bankruptcy and it'll disappear like it does everything else. Like, I didn't know that. That's crazy. The way that he talked about credit makes it sound so foolish. you know, credit, you know, credit card is just convenience and it just sounds dumb. Like you actually, you didn't earn the right to have that convenience.

You know what I mean? Like that's, that's the way that you should look at it. And if, and if you do have a credit card, which is most people do, um, if you do have a credit card, then you should kind of really value that convenience. It's just to say, do I really need this convenience at the moment? Is this really helpful to me? Cause it could be, cause you could use a credit card, uh, and have it be very helpful to you, of course. But, um, I think that people aren't thinking in those terms. But imagine if we were doing it with money and not with quote-unquote credit, how foolish it would be. Like, Andrew, give me $100 now and you can get this from me. But in two months, you got to give me $200. You got to pay me more than the actual value of the like you got to pay me pay me more uh than the

actual value of the item or whatever it is you know what i mean it's it's it's kind of a weird it's kind of a weird thing yeah paying for convenience because you know there's you know hey like uh why do you drive a tesla when you can just drive a you know a civic or something you know it's like well i am paying for the convenience it is nice so that's when people's you know minds are like yeah well i'm just gonna pay interest to get it now so i can enjoy it now take advantage of it right now and then over time i will pay it i did the same thing with camera equipment that shit paid off but that was a little bit different however there's also been times where i've bought and shit what i that i didn't need and couldn't afford and paid the price for

it later but that's stuff that i had to learn unfortunately people sometimes they don't really learn yeah it's um it's something that uh yeah it's it's a it's a painful thing to learn you know yeah and it's it's um it it plagues a lot of people but again you know it's kind of built into as Bo was pointing out like this kind of idea of the American dream a lot of people but again you know it's kind of built into as Bo was pointing out like this kind of idea of the American dream a lot of people uh live beyond their means and then a lot of people also wonder why they're stressed out so much and have so much anxiety or feel like they don't have time for anything and it's like well because you're doing what Bo talked about there where you're swimming just to barely keep your head above water. You're not even necessarily flourishing. Um,

you don't have an opportunity to, you just have to work and work and work and work as you keep working for, uh, a lot of these things that you, um, that you maybe just aren't in line for at the moment, you know, which is okay. It's totally okay to not, it's okay to not have something at the moment. You know, it's okay. Years ago, you know, driving around crappy cars that would, that, that would barely get me from point A to point B all the time, you know, and it's okay to, it's okay to be behind. It's okay to be, it's okay to be a little bit stuck. It's okay to not have things figured out. But just know that you can figure them out.

It just might take time. I think it's easier to make sense things figured out, but just know that you can figure them out. It just might take time. I think it's easier to make sense of a payment, though, too. I think that that's, you know, people are like, you know, I just pay $400 for this car or $300 for this car a month. Oh, I could afford $300 a month. but you're doing so for a very long time and the interest rate on it and the amount of that you would actually, the amount, the total amount would be far greater than the actual value of the car in the long run. And just maybe buying a $5,000 car flat out is the best thing you can do. So you don't have that damn payment because you'll be working for that payment all the time. It is nice. It's a nice feeling

to be a stoplight and have someone kind of recognize your car and say, Oh shit, that's a nice, that's a nice car, but maybe you're just not there yet. Which again, it's totally okay. Yeah, absolutely. And I mean, growing up, it was, you have a house payment, so you have rent or mortgage, and you had a car payment. That's just two things that you don't avoid. That's just what you do. And so, I grew up that, like, that's what I, that's all I knew. And then eventually learning like, oh, wait, okay, I don't actually don't have to have either of those right now. Yeah, I do have a mortgage payment, but I'm working on the cars right now. So it's just, again, part of the education system.

You know, we're that American dream. We're meant to go to school, get a job, get debt. It sucks. Yeah, just imagine if someone told you when you're young, just, hey, if you're ever going to get into business, try not to have a partner. Try not to get a loan. Right. Just, hey, if you're ever going to get into business, try not to have a partner. Try not to get a loan.

If you want further education, you should really think about if you're going to get any financial aid. That's a huge investment. You're trying to get into the workforce to make money. And going to college and paying financial aid is the opposite of making money. It's paying money and you could be paying for an education system that is helpful, that is helping you. So it's just something to consider. It's just something to know before you get yourself in too deep.

Yeah, no, the thing you mentioned about the family system though too here is something really interesting. Like here in America, it's like, yeah, when you're 18, you go to college or you get out, you get a job. It's like, it's very spread. Whereas other cultures, like other cultures here, Asian cultures, African cultures, that family system of still like building familial type, like wealth or whatever, and working together, that's still a thing. type like wealth or whatever and working together that's still a thing um and it's always been kind of abnormal to me when i'd like when i'd hear of uh like like my friends like yeah they kick me out or like yeah they like um they don't want me in the house anymore or whatever because like like i've mentioned this on the podcast before when my mom gets really really old i want her to move back

in with me i don't i don't ever envision myself putting her in a nursing home because like she took care of me, then I can take care of her. And then I didn't even think of the fact that when I have a kid potentially, right? Like I might not need daycare. You know what I mean? Because if she's that, if she's that old, she'll be here with, she'll be here at the family too. So I think that's, that's something else that I'm that I'm pretty sure in America that used to be a thing.

I don't know. But it's not really anymore. I don't know when maybe it stopped being a thing. I'm not sure. Yeah, I think maybe college is then once the kid goes to college, the kid, you know, becomes an adult and gets a degree and gets a job, you know, like that's what my dad, that's what my dad did. And that's what a lot of my uncles and aunts and stuff did. They, they got an education.

They got a job right afterwards just cause like that's the way it lined up back then. It wasn't, you know, I think now it's more complicated. There's, there's just a lot more people in the workforce and stuff. And it's, uh, just a, maybe a tougher thing to, to figure out, but it used to just work that way. You know, you, you worked your way out of the house, you, uh, went to college, got yourself a job and then probably started a family. And then,

and then that was that, but yeah, we do live very divided. I'd never even thought about some of the stuff that he brought up. Um, you know, they want you out of the house at like 18 or 20 or whatever that age is. And then, uh, you know, you're off to start to work towards having your own home. So there's another mortgage, right? Um, and it's just really divide, dividing, uh, dividing things up a lot. I know, I know in other countries, they still like what's yours is what, you know, what's, what's mine is yours kind of thing is, is a lot of times the mentality amongst family. I remember, uh, my brother was married to a woman who was a German, my brother, Mike, and she, she didn't understand. He had trouble with his car at the time or something. And she didn't understand why he couldn't just like take mine, you know, just like, Oh, you just take your

brother's car. And he's like, what? He's like, no, he, he needs it. And she's like, well, he can't like, he can't let you have it for like a week or something. He's like, I could maybe borrow it for like to go to the grocery store or something. But he's like, no, I can't like, I can't like have it for like a week, you know? But that's, you know, they, they do things differently in other countries. And maybe, maybe some of those traditions are, are, are wise, especially like bringing your parents into your, into your home, but it does get complicated. Um, I think people don't want their lives compromised, you know, having, you have your mother in the house, but it's, you know, it could potentially be your

girlfriend's mother-in-law or something like that. Right. And then, I don't know, maybe there's conflict or maybe there's so, you know, and maybe maybe when they watch the child, they're not doing it right. They keep feeding your kid candy every time you turn around, you know, like. But but I think that those things are small costs. And I think that, uh, you know, on a, on a larger level, I think that the more people that you have helping to raise a child, um, especially when they have like-minded overall arching principles, the better off you are and, and the smarter the kid's going to be. I mean, my, my kids, um, being around my mom and dad and being around their, their, their grandmother, um, they, my mom and dad and being around their, their, their grandmother, um,

they, they've learned, they learned, they just learned so much from them. They don't communicate with us the same way they communicate with their grandparents. They share different interests with them. They have fun with them in different ways. They, they do things differently. I mean, my dad and my son, you know, they working on're working on Jake's car and stuff like that. Those are all things that, you know, he learned from my dad, learned from his grandpa, learning from an outside, not an outside figure, but another male figure, right? And I think that, hey, the more, more the better whether it's an aunt an uncle a grandma

a grandpa whatever whatever you got I think it will all be helpful in the long run yeah absolutely all right

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