Mark Bell's Power Project - EP. 392 - Racism Sucks

Episode Date: May 28, 2020

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Power Project Crew, thank you for checking out today's episode. This episode was recorded on May 27th, and it is with just the Power Project Crew. If you're keeping track, this is episode 392, and we had show prepped for an entirely different show, but this episode comes on about 24 or 48 hours away from the George Floyd situation, where, of course, a black man was killed by a white police officer. And, you know, the controversy that that stirred up and it was just heavy, heavy on our minds and we couldn't shut up about it. So, we never actually got off of the topic. So, we hit that. We talked about Ahmaud Arbery. We did have a laugh at the Karen situation in Central Park.

You know, again, it's not a laughing matter, but we laughed at it. I'm sorry if that offends anybody, but we were just being ourselves and we were just having the conversation. Mark gives a really just amazing insight on his thoughts about Colin Kaepernick. Because again, this brings up all of this stuff, the I can't breathe thing from back in 2014 to today, because that's exactly what happened with George Floyd again. So it's like, where have we seen this all happen? Oh yeah. In our own backyard. So again, we, we did have plans on talking about more fitness related stuff, but we just, we couldn't shut up about this topic. And again, we just, we were just having the conversation and we really hope you guys do find some

value in it. Um, please let us know what you guys think at Mark Biles power project on Instagram at MB power project on Tik TOK and Twitter. And ladies and gentlemen, please enjoy this episode with just the power project crew. I was watching something the other day where they had this guy and this guy resisted arrest a lot. it was just a it was a white guy and it's white cops and stuff but like this guy was resisting arrest and they you know

they gave him a little extra and me and my brother-in-law were talking about it and i was like you know what i personally don't have any problem with the cops giving someone a little extra the the guy the guy caused a ruckus the guy caused a problem and the guy puts everybody in danger the problem though is that when you give them a little extra if that's the way that you handle your job and you know like um let's say that all three of us are coming onto a scene and we're all hyped up because we saw something crazy happen but then let's say the situation is pretty much taken care of well what do we do with that energy if we're kind of used to you know giving a little extra nudge in the back or shove on the ground or uh you know what i saw was this guy you know being handcuffed behind his

back his hands were behind his back. And then they, this is a different instance, not what you're talking about in SEMA. And this, these other police officers, they grabbed the guy by the feet and the other officers had the guy by his arms and his arms were being like ripped behind his back. You know, like how far can your arms go behind your back when both your hands are handcuffed behind your back so this guy is you know perpendicular to the ground pretty much and they're holding his arms and his feet luckily the guy's like flexible or high or whatever and he didn't care and like the guy didn't get injured or hurt or anything like that. It didn't seem like, but that's the issue. It's like, yeah, you would like to think that if the guy causes harm or danger or if the guy hurt you a little bit, that you can inflict a little bit back on them.

And cops, I think they're, I don't know what the rules are and the law is, but I think that they're allowed to go exponentially a little bit above what you're supposed or what you're doing so that they can protect themselves. You know, if you if you whipped out a knife, I think they are allowed to pull out their gun, that kind of thing. They are by law. I think they're allowed to kind of jump you in that fashion. And if I'm speaking incorrectly on that i apologize but that that makes sense it makes sense for them to sometimes have to use deadly force but i don't know what the situation was with that i didn't research it much but uh when the guy is on the ground and he's already handcuffed it looks like you got everything that you needed. The guy's no longer a threat to anything. It's what's,

what's he going to like if you stood him up and you have got four police officers, what's he going to do? Try to run away or headbutt you. I mean, you can't really do much. Yeah, man.

It's, it's, it's crazy. The, the, the whole, the whole video is just, it's,

it's one of the most disturbing videos that we've seen from these situations because okay his his knees on his neck for a few minutes the man's continuing to say he can't breathe the man starts to lose consciousness and then the crowd hops in and they're like yo he's losing consciousness take your knee off his neck and this officer is just chilling still there until the dude dies it's like guy who's talking is doing a good job of being pretty rational too even though he's kind of hyped up like you can tell he's kind of mad he did a pretty good job staying level-headed he's like he can't breathe he's like i would i would just stop filming and stop bothering you if you

would just let him up he was pleading with the guy yeah i didn't listen yeah it's this is the thing though like you know my my buddy and i were having a talk about this this morning um and it's you know as a community it's it's there are evil like police officers out there but we can't like this guy i think there was a picture of him wearing a hat that said, make whites great again or something. And that could totally be, I don't know, I could be wrong, but I saw a picture of him in that hat and then him on the guy's neck. So if that's actually true, we can tell that this officer was obviously a racist. The thing that we like that, that, that really, this causes a lot of, a lot of us to do is it, you then take that, you know, makeup of a cop and you then put that on all officers,

just like those officers take the makeup of a black man of their stereotypical black man. And they put it and say, all black men are like this. We need to treat these men like this. and they put it and say, all black men are like this. We need to treat these men like this. And it gets very dangerous when you're taking that type of, that type of outlook. It's hard not to do, but it's something that we can't allow ourselves to do. It's, it, it, it's hard. We've had conversations before and we've had conversations before on this

podcast talking about like, you are african american how you have the conversation of like hey like there's injustice in this country that we're in and you might have to act above uh these circumstances that might arise you you need to be overly cautious around police officers and and of that nature. And you need to be overly respectful because they can kind of accuse you of anything and they can take things, uh, many, many steps too far. But from the other side of it, it's like, how is this guy who, who I guess is now clearly racist. Right. But like, how does this guy, how is he not influenced by them, by the filming that's going on? Like, how is he not like, Oh, Nope, not me. I'm not racist. Look at,

I helped the guy up. You know, like, how is he not, he's not influenced by that at all. Like he just is like heartless. He just doesn't care. He thinks he's doing the right thing. I mean, it's just, it's, you would, I guess, I guess my point here is that you would think that police officers would be conscious of this, not to a way that would impose or not in a way that would threaten their safety. to be really careful with how I treat, how I treat everyone, first of all, but how I treat people, just people of color in general, because of just how that looks and what, and what is going on in our world today. And if I'm confronted with a situation, yes, I need to do my police officer duties, but I need to follow them to the T and follow what I'm supposed to do. So

I don't get hurt. So other people don't get hurt, protect and serve. That's what they're there for. You need to kind of follow through on all those things, but you also have to use your head, and you also have to think about who the person is that you're dealing with, and I think that there's got to be some consideration there. There just has to be. I think that you have to have some consideration,

there just has to be i think that you have to have some consideration but you would you would just think that like as a cop a police officer you would just be like you know i don't think we need this kind of bullshit to happen again and for this to be seen again and even if you were doing something wrong you would just figure that you would stop doing it if there was a camera there you know what i mean yeah and then people not people but like someone could think you know like oh it's like in the moment right adrenaline um he didn't actually even hear or see the person filming uh whatever it may be but if you are gonna sign up for that job, you got to know that that's going to be a possibility and have the capacity to be able to handle something like that. It's just it's crazy to me to think that, you know, even with the Ahmaud Arbery thing about people now coming out saying, oh, he had been seen at the construction places. He had been seen doing this.

He went, doesn't matter to me, man. He shouldn't be dead. So, you know, when it comes to the Ahmaud Arbery thing, because that did come out, right? The dude went into, I've done this before. He went into a house that was in the process of being built. Those homes are open. There are videos of, I'm not trying to separate here Like you could, there are videos of, I mean, I'm not trying to like, uh, separate here, but there, there are tons of videos of white people just going to random

houses saying, Hey, I like that counter. Oh, that's a great design of the kitchen. Ahmad was seen on camera going into a house, coming out of the house, having nothing in his hands. It's not against the law. People do that shit all the time. And people were trying to take that and say, oh, well, he was going to property that wasn't his own. Like, that's he was up to something eventually. Like, who cares? Even if he was. Exactly. Who cares?

Like, people are going to hunt him down and shoot him. I'm sure that there's been many white people who have done the same thing in that same neighborhood. Yeah. You know, who have kind of checked out that house or whatever they were doing in there, and they probably didn't get, well, we don't have any information that they got hunted down and killed, right?

And I don't want to make light of the situation, of course, but did you guys see the Central Park Karen situation? Oh my god! So that was really strange, her behavior, but it was funny

to me because, you know, somebody's hearing us speak right now and say there's no racist cops, but to me because you know somebody's hearing us speak right now and say there's no not that there's no racist cops but like it's like no it's not like that it's not like that it's like dude watch that video and you know here's a you know white woman saying there's an african man he's yeah what did he say uh attacking me something like that yeah and she's crying to the cops and stuff and like like don't take it there mike mutzel he put out a post on twitter he's like as a white man i'm

glad this craziness was caught on camera because i guess somebody another karen tried to call the cops on him and his daughter last night for uh playing playing in the park because they weren't social distancing or something like that the crazy and the scary thing about that video, man, is that woman understood the situation she was in that there's a black guy here. If I call the cops and I sound scared over the phone, they're going to come here and they're going to automatically be on my side and something could happen to this guy. And he like,

she was trying to scare him to run away because she knew his vulnerability and probably the way he feels towards police. She knew the power she had there, and she was wielding that sword brazenly. And it's fucking crazy. And you saw her. She had her dog on the leash, and she was pretty much choking her dog as she was doing all these crazy antics. So the dog got taken away from her, by the way. One thing I don't know is I don't know if these things will help or assist anything. Especially in the case of what was going on with the police officer with the knee in the guy's back.

with the knee in the guy's back, I mean, I think that white people will still identify that as, well, that guy's a criminal. You know, like that guy, they don't care what the situation is. The cops handcuff that guy because he's a dirtbag, because he's a criminal. He's a scumbag. This is what people say. This is how people think. I know with my brother getting in a lot of trouble and my brother being in and out of rehab centers and stuff, he would be like, I'm in here with a bunch of worthless scumbags, worthless dirtbags. worthless dirt bags. And I'm like, well, that's how they view. That's how they view you, you know? And then once he got a bad reputation, and once he was seen in a certain light by police officers, when he got pulled over, they would search his car. They would.

And then it was always like, Hey, do they even have the right to do that? But it was always, you know, it was always like, we just never knew what the hell was, you know, We couldn't get the truth from him ever, obviously. But it was always these weird circumstances of like, yeah, do the police even have the right to do that? Just because you've been in trouble before doesn't mean you're not trying to change your own ways. But I think a lot of people view it as a criminal is a criminal. You are a troubled person. You get in trouble all the time.

And fuck it. You know what? If you die, you die. Because you shouldn't be getting in trouble like that anyway. Why not just listen to the police officer? Why not just sit down and do what you're supposed to do? Because I know for a fact that a lot of people are looking at that video and they're like, I wonder what he was doing before that. before that you know just as they're saying with um with the guy that was inside the house and he got hunted down in the neighborhood in georgia they're they're saying the same thing like what

was he doing before that he must have you know he probably he probably did something to them he probably stole something he did you know they want to they're whatever they can make up you know and they they i think a lot of times people, uh, those people, and what I'm saying, trying to, my point here is that I, I don't know how much that we'll actually learn from this because I think people just dismiss it and they'll put it in that category. Like that guy is a criminal. He shouldn't be in that situation. I don't know what he did. He did something to somebody somewhere down the line. Maybe he didn't do it this time, but he probably did it somewhere in his past. And he, you know, he deserves what he gets. Like there's people that think that way. And I'm not sure how we, I mean, I know that we need more knowledge and we need to knock down the ignorance that's out there. But I think that that there's a lot of train of thought that's, that's that way. Yeah.

Unfortunately. train of thought that's that's that way yeah unfortunately it's true and you know but you know when you say that this is a this is a tough thing for anyone even especially myself to wrap my head around but when a person does say that right if they say i wonder what he was doing before i can understand why you're asking that question. And I don't, I don't, I don't think it's even bad that you're asking that question. But the thing to ask is this, okay, if he was doing something before, which we now know he wasn't, he was called, like he wasn't, does what's going on in that moment, the continuous action from the police officer, is that even justified? Even if, what situation garners that action to be justified? Just think about that.

Ahmaud Arbery being chased and shot. What situation allows that to be justified? We can try and figure out what he was doing before. That's good. We have to understand the whole situation. But is what happened to these two men justified based off of what they did? Absolutely not. I couldn't agree with you more. I think even let's just take the craziest scenario. Let's forget about these two situations just for a moment. And let's say that somebody went inside

someone's home and shot their infant child right in the head and boom, bolted out of there. How do we treat that person? How do we treat that person that did that? That is indicative of what type of society that we have. People can have different opinions. People can think about whatever way they want to, whatever way they want to, an eye for an eye. You know, someone say, hey, that person needs, you know, rehabilitation. Somebody else might say that person needs to be lit on fire. You know, there's going to be a lot of different. Hey, send that guy to jail. Let him get pounded in the butt for 10 years or whatever, you know, before we send him the electric chair.

Yeah. But it brings up a lot of interesting debate. And what we know from our past is how we treat people that are less fortunate and how we treat our criminals is very much a representation of what our society is and how our society acts kind of as a whole. Because if you think that you should rip that person's arms and legs off and, and, and, and rip off his eyelashes and his eyebrows, why he's still alive and do all these crazy weird things to him. Then I think that maybe,

I don't think that's a society that I would want to live in because then, okay, let's just take a, let's take a situation that's to a lesser degree. You know, that's obviously a crazy, crazy extreme, right? Let's say that I went in someone's home and stole something. So if we're going off of like this guy shoots an infant, gets his arms and legs ripped off and they get fed to alligators. But because I went in someone's home and stole something, and for going based off of that scale, what happens to me?

You know, do I ever get a second chance in life? Like if I mess up, you know, if I roll through a stop sign because I'm drunk and I wipe out an entire family because I have an alcohol addiction, is my life over? Is the rest of my life? And I'm not even saying I know the answer to whether that should or shouldn't be the case. What if I'm not drunk? What if I'm not drunk and I happen to go through the stock just because I just didn't see it? Human error happens all the time and I wipe out a family what do i deserve that you know what i mean so it starts to sound um it sounds really crazy and i think it would be amazing if we could

figure out a better way to just when when something happens i i can't agree with what you said earlier more in sema. What did they do before? But like, hold on a second. What does it matter what they did before? Because let's, let's detain the person and let's find out more information about what they did before, you know, coming up in the next couple of days, the next couple of weeks, the story will unfold. You know, they, they say in like epistemology,

like what's knowable, but what can we know about the situation? And if you just got to a scene and two people are all bloodied up and there's one guy with bloody knuckles, you don't really know what happened. You can kind of assume, okay, this guy beat the hell out of these two people. I don't know what he did. I don't really know what happened you can kind of assume okay this guy beat the hell out of these two people i don't know what he did i don't know why but i just because i don't know what happened i'm going to detain everybody ask everybody questions the guy with the bloody knuckles you'll probably find out that he did punch them and maybe that's assault maybe you got to take him to the police station but there's no reason reason to take that guy who beat those two people up.

There's no reason to take that guy and beat the shit out of him. We don't have all the information. You don't have all the, and that's also not a great way to treat someone, even if they were a criminal, if they did, even if they did do something. Yeah. You know, that's an interesting point. Have you guys heard at all about like the Scandinavian prison system? No. So in the, I think it's Scandinavia, their prison system, instead of like here where it's a punishment, people are sent to prison and it's, they punish

them, right? In Scandinavia, apparently it's more like a reformation. So they do a lot of things and activities with all of these individuals in prison to try to help them reform and go back into society successfully. When you hear a lot about the prison system that we have here, even if it's for a minor drug charge where dude has something on him, he's sent to prison. has something on him. He's sent to prison. You're in the same place and you're doing the same things that violent individuals that have murdered people are. It's the same punishment, but it's not focused on trying to reform people and help them try to become hopefully good members of society. It's a very different thing. I can't say that I know a crazy amount about about prison systems in general but that interesting comparison is something i think is that can be looked into in terms of our prison system um it's probably not a lot of money in that though but yeah in in traditional prisons in america there's a lot of money to be made off of essentially legal slaves at that point. Yep. So that would be tough.

It would be. In the NFL, there's a lot of debate going on right now about, it's called the Rooney rule. Maybe you guys could look it up while we're on here. But it was created by Art Rooney, the owner of the Steelers. And they're trying to look into, you know, why there isn't more opportunities for African-Americans in the NFL when it comes to the higher up positions. And it might be all minorities. So again, forgive me if I.

It is all minorities. You're right. Yeah, it's probably all minorities because I don't see like an Asian football coach or anything like that either. So that I can think of off the top of my head so yeah I mean it has to do with minorities but one of the things that they said and this like really it's just it was just something I didn't think about before but they were like so they're talking about having minority owners and they were talking about the only way to kind of get to this is for the current owners to mingle with some of these potential minority owners or these owners to mingle with these potential minority coaches. with these potential minority coaches because for the most part if you're white and you own a football team i mean i i know that you you you have the football team you have a lot of african americans that play on the football team you have a lot of minorities that play on the football team um but your friends the people that you mingle with the people that you are around there's there's probably not a ton

of diversity especially the age group of an owner like yeah right yeah right yeah these old these older people that may have had these uh previous uh you know notions in their head of of um of racism right and so they talked about like, you know, what do we do? Do we institute like these awkward parties where people are now having an opportunity to kind of get around each other? And they were, they were really trying to explore like, like, what do we do with this situation? One of the things they, they proposed was to encourage teams to get my to hire minority coaches and then

you would get like extra draft picks for it and stuff but that sounds really weird um it sounds it sounds like someone's head is in the right spot because they're trying to solve the problem right they're trying to they're like, right? They're trying to, they're like, okay, you know, this, this is an issue. Well, maybe we can do this and maybe this would help support that. But that doesn't, that doesn't really, that sounds a little, a little strange to me. So it's, I don't know, I just found it, I found it all to be very interesting, but that wasn't something that I thought about before. I'm like, yeah, well, these coaches probably, I'm sorry, these owners probably are unfamiliar with some of these coaches.

You know, some of the coaches could potentially be coming from, you know, schools where there's where the entire school is is is black or the entire school is african-american or something like that so like how would the owner have been someone who has uh any knowledge of of some of these uh people so yeah it was very very interesting yeah so the the rooney rule is basically they just have to meet a quota of interviews not actually hiring so they got to hire or they got to interview someone of a different ethnicity for the head coach position or any senior, uh, I don't know, some, some kind of, I can look it up again, but just like a higher up position, they have to at least interview somebody of a different race, but there's no actual like a quota to meet. Right. That makes sense too. I mean, you don't want to force people to hire people.

Yeah. That would be weird. Yeah. Yeah. You know, like it comes down to obviously finding the best person for any type of job. You don't want to just hire someone just because they're Asian or just

because they're black. That, that undermines all the work that that person has potentially done and all the work that the potential better applicants have put into. But the, what it sounds like for what Andrew said, it is kind of necessary to allow or to somehow get individuals that are also trying to vie for these positions into the room to have the opportunity. If they don't meet the expectation and there's someone that is actually better qualified, okay, cool. That's fine. Like that,

that always the best person that's qualified should get the job. But if they're not even allowed to get an opportunity or not, they're never seen. That's, that's a big issue. Yeah. I'd be curious to know, like before that rule, how often were, you know, black dudes being interviewed for being a coach? Like, was it like never? Like I wouldn't know, were you know black dudes being uh interviewed for being a coach like was it like never like i i wouldn't know but you know it would be interesting to see that and then to see after you know uh like the guy from the um uh the colts i can't remember his name he won with coach dungey one of the greatest you know like would he have gotten his shot if not for this

rule i don't know timelines and stuff so i I'm not sure, but you're right. And Seema, like if at least they now have the doors open and it's up to them to crush that interview. Yeah, that's it. I think it always comes down to who's the best person, not what, do we have enough, do we have enough Asians in our facility? Do we have enough Asians in our facility? Do we have enough of this in our facility? Um, as it is like, you know, uh, Asians, Latinos, et cetera, we are a minority in the country.

So if you think logically about this for most of these areas, we will be the minority there too. Anyway, it's not going to be half black coaches in the NFL and half white coaches just because there are just probably more white dudes that are able to have access, anyway it's not going to be half black coaches in the nfl half white coaches just because there are just probably more white dudes that are able to have access but there are probably a lot of black and asian coaches or whatever that just haven't even been able to get their foot into the room yeah and we're not too far away from you know america uh you know, the white male Americans will be the minority. You know, we're creeping closer and closer to that.

And so, you know, I don't know. Well, I don't think we'll ever be out of the woods. I think people are always going to have disputes. And when anything is just remotely different, whether it's you believe in a different religion, you have a different belief, you have a different skin color, for some reason, I don't know where it came from or how it is or how it works. People love to fight about it. They love to not see the other person's side for some reason. And I don't know what that is, but hopefully we can keep working towards, you know, getting to a better place. Yeah.

Not seeing the other person's side. You know, you always talk about being rational. And it just, to me, it seems like there's whenever somebody sparks like, or they go hard in the paint on like, no that wasn't a racist cop he was doing his job it's like well think about it rationally dude like does a does a person deserve to die for whatever reason you know we've been saying like no they don't so think think about it rationally you know like goodness but yeah you're right mark i don't think we're gonna be out of the woods for a long time. You know, last thing real quick about this. It's like, you know, cops have body cams, but a lot of them are able to turn them off. It's like, it's funny.

I've been in situations with cops before, and my response is always the same. My voice comes up about eight octaves. I talk really softly, and I have a big smile on my face. I'm good, officer. How are you? Like, this is what, this is, this is no, I'm absolutely serious. This is what I sound like when I talk to the police, I have no base. I have no base because I can't, I'm literally scared of being myself. You know what I mean? And that's,

that's not me knocking on police officers, because there are probably a majority of officers. No, not probably. Most definitely. Majority of police officers are good people. But there are a lot not just the job of people because these cops get caught way too late. The situation, okay, he's getting fired. He's now caught. But it's like, we also need police officers to figure out who in the force is probably not, who should probably not be here. How can we get them out? Because this is not looking good for them either you know you can't blame you can't blame us being scared of them and that's the shit that we see i am literally afraid of cops i come across i know they're not all bad but i am afraid situation you know that's just an absolutely ugly situation and like that guy's family like i'm sure everyone's running through like excuses on why to still like even be supportive of him. You know, like it's a, it's a weird, it's a weird situation

because it's not like, it's not like, uh, he saw the guy like reach into his pocket. He thought he had a gun and he overreacted and shot him or whatever. You know, it's nothing like that. It's like the slow drawn out. You basically choke the guy to death almost because you had your knee in his neck with his head twisted in a weird way with his hands behind his back when he was completely just he wasn't fighting or doing anything from where the video started and stuff. And it's like, how does anybody defend that guy? But I guarantee you they will. I guarantee you that that family, his wife, his children, his parents, his parents, somebody in his family might be strong enough to admit, oh, yeah, he made a mistake.

But they'll just view it as just a mistake. And it's like, no, that's that's actually that's way different than like just a mistake. You took someone else's life and you did so in a very slow and drawn out way that that lasted minutes. You know, it's one thing to like throw the guy down, be on top of him and to kind of rethink what you did and you may be late on him an extra 45 seconds than you should have. And then you pop up and you say, you know what, I'm over it. I'm not, you know, I'm not emotionally attached to it anymore. Give the guy his space. That's one thing. But what this guy did, it was, you know, there's a big difference right there's a big difference between somebody uh

somebody murders someone because it's it's out of uh it's out of like a fit of rage or almost a spontaneous thing that they they they weren't calculated about it like when chris benoit when chris benoit uh the the pro wrestler when he when he snapped and he killed his family and killed himself, I think initially people just thought that, boom, he snapped and that was it. That's not what happened. When they gained further information, he killed his wife. A day or two later, while his wife's dead body is in the house, he smothers their child with a pillow and then he hangs himself and it's like

there's degrees to this kind of stuff right when it happens like that it's like that is a really fucking crazy person that like you don't want that kind of person on this planet even like that is a really demented person now we could say that he's sick we could say he's mentally ill and that he needed help and that is probably we we know more about these situations now you had a lot of concussions and so on and so you could still have some empathy for someone even when they have taken things that far but it's just an it's it's a you know criminal justice is a really it's a really interesting thing but i think there's there's some massive differences going on between but again these guys that hunted down

the guy in georgia again i'm sorry i forget i'm not right so in that situation you know when they that's a calculated thing like you know the guy hits the other guy like, Hey, let's go. We're going to go. And, and they're, they're driving. Like it's, it's not, it's not, they're just only caught up in the moment. And it's just a couple seconds worth. Like we saw the guy, we saw the guy coming out of the house and we, we, we were pretty sure he stole something. So we shot him. Even that's horrible. Right. But that's at least less thought about like the longer you think about it the worse that it is let's go get him and let's go and let's go kill him like that's completely ridiculous i didn't even see what happened with the george floyd situation because

i just saw john jones tweeting a bunch of stuff about it. I saw the picture. It made me feel terrible. And, you know, I just like kind of shut social media down. But, um, if anybody else like me just kind of clicked out of it, um, what exactly happened? Well, the cops called or someone called the cops saying that he, it was like a, it was a forge situation situation so like they called him reporting a forgery something like that cops come i don't know what happened before the video starts because if you watch the whole video the video starts with you seeing uh an asian cop at the front telling everybody to back away um the white guy has his knee on his neck he's screaming saying i can't breathe please help and everybody in the outside is just trying to tell the cops no one even trying The white guy has his knee on his neck. He's screaming, saying, I can't breathe.

Please help. And everybody outside is just trying to tell the cops. No one even tried to get violent with the cops. They're just trying to tell the cops to take the knee off the neck. Maybe more is known about it right now. But then you just slowly see him stop speaking. And then you see him die. And then everyone's like, even before he actually fully died, though, there was this one guy who was continuing to say hey he's losing consciousness hey he he's not breathing he's not breathing and the officer looks down at him looks up looks down looks up keeps the knee on the neck like all he did was

pull out his mace i saw that yeah again it's it's it literally it makes no sense none of us can explain that shit it's it's literally just evil uh that's that's all i can say it's just evil on that cop's part to to do all that because you don't need to do all that if he's on the ground you don't need your knee in his neck like and i was texting you guys yesterday eric garner same shit just being held down and he slowly dies and he's like i can't breathe i can't breathe that was the guy outside the convenience store right yeah yeah that was like 2014 and the only reason so i was actually i googled it right now because i couldn't remember but that was when like a bunch of nba players were wearing the i can't breathe shirts and when you said i can't breathe i'm, where have we heard this before?

Where have we seen this before? What was his name? That's what I'm saying. Like, I don't know if people are going to, you know, I don't know if we're going to. I know we try to do a better job. We have, you know, further evaluation when they hire police officers and things like that. But, I mean, this is, you got to also think these are only the things that get kicked up to us too. There's a lot of things that happen where somebody didn't have a camera,

you know, somebody didn't have an opportunity to film the injustice that happened where even it could be something like, uh, it could be something more, I mean, none of it's minor, but it could be something that is, uh, you know, it doesn't result in someone dying, but just imagine if you were speeding and the cops roughed you up a little bit it's like who doesn't go everyone goes over the speed limit every day let's remember the only reason we even

knew about the ahmaud arbery situation was because the video came out because that shit happened two months ago like two and a half months ago the shooting and his death happened that long ago. But the only reason we know about it is because somebody released the video to the media and then those guys get taken in. So think about that guys. Cause yeah, I think it happened in February and then it didn't come out till, you know,

recently. And that's when the shit storm came. And that's when people were like, Oh wait, we should probably do something. Those guys are still just running around, you freely it's like what like hold on like yeah people are saying like you know can't put them in prison right now because of corona and all that shit people were mentioning that but then why were they taken in now like why do we

choose to take them in now because everybody knows when their eyes on the situation people will will act accordingly but when no one's watching you don't know what the fuck happened you know and it's it sucks because um you know everything works this way in terms of like uh you know the police officers i mean at least they have to go through some physical and through some like psychiatric evaluation and stuff. But when you are like a politician, you know, they're they're trying to have more strict policies on that as well. But as we were just talking about with the Rooney rule and again, I'm unaware of like, you know, what kind of rules we have in terms of hiring politicians. But I mean, we're, we're seeing some really hard evidence of it right now. Like the politicians are quite possibly some of the dumbest people that we could ever rally, ever rally up, you know, at least it appears that way

at the moment. I mean, the, the percentage of people that are dying from this virus and how many people that we we have you know just that have been forced into this quarantine it's it's it's crazy and it just kind of leads you to believe like it's like um obviously people need to have certain credentials to be a politician and uh i shouldn't say that they're all stupid all right but But a lot of them, I'm sure, are very intelligent, and I'm sure many of them are very well-meaning. But how are these people not fighting for our rights right now? I mean, this is why we elect these officials. This is why we elect these people. And when elections come around again, I'm going to be the first person to be, I don't even normally vote. Um, you know, I don't always vote,

uh, on a local level, but now I'm going to pay a lot more attention to that. And I'm going to make sure that these people that are, you know, representing us now are not reelected. I'm going to do everything in my power to try to make sure that doesn't happen. Cause I feel that there's too, there's way too many mistakes going on right now with what we're seeing. And with just the knowledge that we have, I mean, more and more of the truth keeps coming out over and over again. And we're seeing more and more people. I saw a video from Tony Robbins. And it's like, hey, congratulations, Tony.

You're two months behind the Power Project. His whole thing is, is saying a lot of the similar things that we've found on this show. And, you know, as a truth comes out, like, will there be any punishment for these people? You know, these people that I'm not really saying there should be a lot of recourse necessarily against well, I mean, maybe there should be because there,

what has happened is leading a lot of people to be more depressed than ever. What has happened as, as is leading people to, and again, it's people's own interpretation of what's going on. They could make the best of the situation, whatever way they can, but some people just don't know any better. You know, they had their job. Now they don't have their job.

Now they're pissed off. Now they're upset. Now they're depressed and so on so it'll be interesting to see uh what kind of happens moving forward with with all this politics is murky man politics is so murky i'm gonna be the first to say that i don't know all of the policies and all the things that a lot of these guys are doing you know but i just find it so funny um you mentioned Joe, you didn't mention Joe Biden, but when you mentioned there are a lot of dumb politicians out there, he came first to mind because I watched the interview that he did with Charlamagne, the whole interview,

by the way, not just the part where he said what we're about to talk about here. I'm not black. He said, you're not, if you have to choose between Trump and myself, or you, if you can't make that decision, as in, if you don't vote for me, you're not black, but that's not even what I want to really talk about here. That whole interview, Joe Biden didn't mention one thing because like Charlemagne, obviously a lot of, a lot of black people are going to be listening to this interview because Charlemagne, that's his audience. So the whole point of Biden coming through is for that, for the listeners is, okay, what are you going to help our community with?

Biden didn't say one thing he was going to help the community with, by the way, there was a lot of like dodging. There was a lot of like buzzwords and things, but there was no, this is what I'm going to do. So his only point in doing that was just to kind of like say some nice things, secure a vote and move on. That's politics. Like politics isn't actually, this is actually what I'm going to do. Sometimes they'll end up talking about that, but it's just like, if I can kind of secure these people, I don't really

get to focus on them anymore. I know that most black people don't like Trump. So I'm going to pander to them a little bit and get them to like me. And then I'm going to move on to the people that I'm unsure with. It's, it's so muddy so muddy right and this is the fact that he said that though there's still going to be people that just hate trump so much that you're gonna have to vote for biden that's that's your only other choice you know but it's it's oh yeah man it's it's it's stressful yeah which one's the lesser of the two evils like i think i've been hearing that every every just saying trump yeah every election i think i've been hearing that you know like since forever but yeah i i don't know probably uh even uh robert kiyosaki was like ah uh trump's a bullshit artist

like you know he was you know and that's his, you know, so he's talking from a different place, coming from a different place. But even he was talking about politics is like all, you know, it's all lies. It's like, oh, gosh. It's crazy, dude. Yeah, man. You know what's interesting, though? Like, me and my buddy were also talking about this this morning. me and my buddy were also talking about this this morning i i don't expect anybody to to like i don't expect anyone to post up anything about what's just happened recently

it's not an expectation when i look at my feed i'm not looking about who's talking about it who's not because we were kind of talking about um do do people have a responsibility to talk about this? And then we brought up, our conversation ended up talking about The Rock because The Rock is a clean man. And I say this because like he, if anything happens, he doesn't go towards the waters

because he knows how divisive these types of topics are. And that's like, it's no one's responsibility to talk about it but you you wonder sometimes maybe should they or not because like if if someone like him did that that'd be so divisive to his audience like if you look at lebron's comments man there's so many people that were like i can't believe you posted this this is insane i'm gonna follow you because you posted this about Floyd. People were pissed at him for saying it was just a wrong thing to do.

You know, this, it's just, there's a lot. Yeah, I think a lot of people choose to be kind of silent about some of these things because I just think they're not sure they're not sure what good it will do you know and I think that that's the real issue so if you really think about it so let's just say that the rock comes on screen and he talks you know ig live and he talks about the situation that just happened. And he said, this is clearly an injustice. And we want to make sure this doesn't happen ever again. But it's like, how do we even do that? Like, there's not a way to implement something. He could just simply voice his opinion and say how he's affected by it and, you know, how he's internalizing it and stuff like that.

And that might be helpful to some people. That might help give some people some hope because they might be like, yeah, man, I feel the same way. This is ridiculous. They might kind of get behind that. But the main thing to try to think about here is how do we get more educated so we can figure out a way to where these things don't happen as much like um could our schools uh could our schools have more diversity um i think that would be helpful like i wasn't i wasn't exposed to a lot of

minorities um i happened to when i was really, I shared with you guys that story about my friend. I was like, I asked him why he was black. And I would think I was like six or seven or something, you know. And so I had some minority friends and stuff like that when I was young. But like in my area, there wasn't much, you know. And so just imagine, and I don't, I don't know how it would work. I don't know, you know, but, but imagine if your school was diverse, like, I know, I know with my kids, like, even if I make like a racial joke or even

anything towards someone being gay or anything at all in my household, my kids are like, dad, like, what are you doing? You know, like they, they're like, um, not only, not only are they, they're like intolerant of it. Like they don't, they don't want to hear it because they go to school with, um, they're mainly, uh, mainly Asian kids, but there's still a lot of diversity in the, in the school district and, and in the school that they go to. And they're very aware of, uh, people that are homosexual. They're very aware of like what's going on in today's world. And so I wonder like if, if there's a way to have more integrated schools, if something along those lines would help, because now I don't

really need to be taught a whole lot about you you sit right next to me in math class you know no i mean i think just naturally uh i mean andrew you probably have more say on this since like you see who jasmine's in school with but our generation millennials you know gen z are they called andrew i you i have no idea i don't know yeah but it does seem and I don't know if it's because we're in California, which is like a super melting pot, but I do feel that things are better. The younger we go, like things like they're, they're more used to seeing different people. They're more used to seeing them in a positive light. Like it's even when I look back at like music videos and stuff from the nineties

and two thousands and the ways that black people were portrayed in the media in the nineties and two thousands, it's way better now than it was then. Like there's, there's, even when you look at like music videos and stuff, it's not as negative. Like it's not as a gangster, this criminal, that it's not that it's not like that anymore. Right. So I do believe that things are getting better with younger generations and it's just going to be, who knows when all of this is going to die out. But I think overall, I think overall things are moving in a positive direction.

And I think one of the reasons why we see a lot of this is just because we all have cameras now. Like, that's the thing. Like I don't honestly think things have been getting worse. I think it's just, we're seeing more of it. It's getting in front of our eyes more and we can really understand it. This has been something that's been going on for a long time. The whole thing, this, this whole topic of like, you know, your phone and the camera and social media is a very interesting thing as well, because like, are people more real?

Are people more authentic or are they just more fake than ever? You know, like you'll hear people sometimes say, oh, well, it'd be impossible to put out a front like that 24 seven. Maybe not. Not if there's like a lot of money involved in it. four seven, maybe not, not if there's like a lot of money involved in it. Not if there's like, but if you're being, so if social media is designed specifically to, uh, you know, play games with our mind and to really hit our like serotonin and whatever the hell, uh, to really give us a lot of positive reinforcement of being on there and being addicted to it, right there. These are really highly addictive things. If that's the case,

then it wouldn't be hard to really to be completely fake because you're getting rewarded for it all the time. I mean, like if I, if I look at my most successful posts, right? Like, let's just say, what would be markers of successful posts? Well, the like button's a good one, right? Because there's a big old heart there. And how about a lot of comments? Well, then the most negative thing that I have ever posted before has had the largest result, right? The underwear? result right the underwear no it was it was the uh it was the batar thing i think oh okay that like like went the most crazy i'm not sure i think about the rainbow yeah oh yeah yeah i i've had a

few uh that went that went pretty crazy or the trump hat you know like i thought that's where you were going at first yeah i've had a few that have been that way. Well, while I don't mind posting those things because sometimes they just sort of pop up and they're kind of like, I think they're kind of fun. I think they're funny. I think they sometimes elicit. In the case of the COVID thing, I don't think that it's funny. But I think that it just draws up a lot of conversation. And so sometimes I'll put up something that might be controversial. Sometimes we'll, you know, I'll do something like that. And I just think it's a, it's a good opportunity to drum up conversation. But if I'm being,

if I'm being fake, then I would specifically just engineer those things all the time, which I could very easily do. I could take a picture with Daisy and, and like flex my bicep or something and get like a ton of likes, right? I there's, there's a bunch of stupid stuff that I could do. That's not really me. But my point is I could be rewarded for it immediately on Instagram. And I, so it's, it's interesting because everyone's got a phone and people are like, people are going to find out if people are fake, we get see who's who because uh there's so much social media so much stuff's being recorded it's like i don't know about that man i think people are more fake or have the ability to be more fake than they ever have before yeah if it's if it's how you eat you know that you just are

that now you know like that that sucks that you just pointed that all of this out. Everyone's a fake now. Dude, and the thing is like. Well, what about posting pictures of your food, right? I mean, you can, right? Oh, yeah, no. It's like, dude, you eat that healthy? Like, you're not even that good of shape.

Hey, at me next time. You mean honest post? I think that was a direct shot at me. No, you know, when you think about that, though, you're actually, you're really right. Like, people are rewarded for what may get the most likes, and what may get the most likes might not be them themselves. Did you guys hear about the recent Kardashian that changed her face? She got another plastic surgery. I'm sorry.

I got to look this up. Is it Kh plastic surgery. I'm sorry. I gotta look this up. Is it Khloe or whatever? Alright, that's enough for racial equality. I'll do that. No, I'm sorry, but this goes into exactly what you're saying. It's Khloe Kardashian. Right?

That's OJ Simpson's daughter, right? Is it Khloe? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. OJ Simpson's daughter. She just got a surgery. By the way, that's the only That's OJ Simpson's daughter, right? Is it Khloe? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. OJ Simpson's daughter. Okay. She just got a surgery. By the way, that's the only like fact that I know about the Kardashians other than like the sex tape thing. But yeah, that's about it. So Khloe Kardashian gets another plastic surgery.

Khloe Kardashian doesn't look like Khloe Kardashian anymore. And, you know, they've all changed their faces substantially from who they were before. But, but the thing is this, those photos are going to get way more likes, way more shares, way more views from the public. Her literally getting a fake face. Literally changing her face and becoming somebody different is going to get more attention and more likes and more love from the whole community. And that's the person that she's going to be because it's rewarded. Right. Like, and if she has a makeup line or whatever,

like that's going to now sell more because she's prettier now. Or, you know what I mean? That's the social media. We know that if someone had fake tits that we wouldn't like that. Right. Not in this house. I wouldn't click the like button for that we have high standards

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at checkout enter promo code powerproject25 for 25% off any order of 50 or more again new code so anything from the previous episodes uh is no longer valid so please make sure you use promo code power project for 25 off any order of 50 or more sorry i had to throw that in there i wonder if lebron james will um ever get into politics because he seems to have uh been voicing his opinion a lot like over not not just like recently but over the last several years really yeah there's a whole shut up and play basketball thing y'all remember that no oh shut up and dribble still remember yeah he was getting um kind of active i think he was it was probably after someone else i think it was probably

after someone else got shot and he was being very vocal about it he was yeah he was being super vocal about it and some newscasters like he needs to just shut up and dribble because it was like these athletes shouldn't be trying to get involved in in terms of these things and and putting their influence into it and i think we could really use someone like him yeah like he has this whole school thing he's doing he does a lot for the community he does a lot of in terms of awareness i wouldn't be surprised if he did i think so many people are turned off by by trying to be a politician it's um you know we were talking about hightower it's like how reasonable and how intelligent of a person does that guy seem like? And it seems like it's it seems like it sucks that he doesn't want to be a politician.

Like it seems like it could assist humanity. Like if somebody who has that amount of knowledge would want to go that route. But he was like, no, it's going to be too much for my family. You know, and probably a lot of people probably feel similar. Like there's like too much heat associated. Maybe maybe the rock or maybe like a scene or maybe something like that. Maybe they just don't want to, you know, it's, it can get real dicey, you know, and get really, you know, what's the, uh, I guess it makes some sense for the rock. If he's, you know, traveling down the, uh, Arnold Schwarzenegger road a little bit you know maybe maybe maybe

they'll are maybe those are some things that call to him i don't know essentially yeah let me ask you guys this i just want to get both of you like i'm curious what you guys are thinking you remember like and nfl players were still doing this when they were kneeling during the national anthem and a lot of these players are making sure to clarify that they're not disrespecting America. They're trying to bring awareness to something that's happening within their community. But for some reason, there were so many people that were spinning this and saying they're disrespecting our flag. They're disrespecting our troops when it doesn't have anything to do with our troops. It doesn't have like negatively even in that context and just like well like when

you look at those situations you're just like why can't people just kind of see what these athletes are really trying to say it's like you're taking another type of message and putting that on top of it when that's not the intention it's the tension behind it yeah exactly people get mad and then they they're irrational the second day People get mad and then they're irrational. The second day you get mad, the second you're like, fuck Colin Kaepernick, man, it's stupid. As soon as you say that, you're already done. Now, if you can say, hey, I disagree with what Colin Kaepernick did and here's why. Well, now we're in a good conversation.

This is excellent, right? did and here's why well now we're in a good conversation this is excellent right um i would say that like you know what colin kaepernick did i would say that it's justified because i don't know through what other means he would if indeed he's authentic about wanting to get this particular message across which i think that he is a lot of people don't think that he is, but I think not only was he, but he also got his message across, right? Like he got everybody's attention. Now people are going to say like you can't use the NFL's platform for that. That's disrespectful to the NFL. Like the NFL provides you that platform.

But how else is he going to do it? Is he going to hold a press conference? No one's going to hold a press conference. You know, no one's going to care if he does it in a in a very logical way. He he he I don't know, writes a letter to the fucking commissioner or whatever. Like if he if he does these kinds of things, I don't think he gets heard nearly in the same way. Maybe he gets heard. Maybe he gets an opportunity. Maybe he gets a shot. Maybe he gets to talk with like Oprah or something like that on TV. And maybe he gets some of his message out there.

But I don't think it happens in the same way and and to the same degree. I would also say, like, I don't really know any other way than to sometimes get attention than to like kind of, you know, stir the pot. But what I would say in regards to that situation in particular is I would kind of, I've listened to Jocko Willink before, a lot actually. But Jocko Willink, when he would talk about being a veteran, and he would talk about, you know, being a veteran, being involved in war, being someone that served this country versus being a civilian. I think a lot of people in the military, they have resentment at some stage for civilians because they're like, man, I can't believe these assholes live their life this way. And how dare Colin Kaepernick act that way when we're fighting for his freedom.

Now, a true veteran, I believe, somebody that's more level-headed, and I heard Jocko talk about not specifically Colin Kaepernick, but to kind of extrapolate what he said and put it into this, to kind of extrapolate what he said and put it into this as he was retired from the military. And as he saw how people acted, he was like, you know what? It's that guy, that person's right to act like a complete asshole, because that's what I fought for. I fought for the freedom for that guy to be an asshole and for that guy to be a drunk every day. And I fought for that guy over there to be an entrepreneur. I fought for that guy over there to be a lawyer. I fought for that guy. That's a choice that I made.

I made that decision to go and fight for these beliefs that I believe in. I took orders and I went and I did that. So I would kind of, when I think about, you know, like a Colin Kaepernick or somebody and I'm not a fan of violence. So anything that that was, I personally view as intelligent, regardless of what anybody else kind of thinks of the matter or what they think of me thinking about the situation. I think it's intelligent because I don't know in what other fashion he could have got his message across and i also think that is what america is based on

that is what our our freedom is for that our freedom is to say you know what i totally disagree with that that is pure bullshit and i'm not i i don't you reserve the right to now don't go and disrespect the flag in a way that is going to mess up everybody else's happiness and mess up every like don't go and grab the flag and rip it up in front of people. Don't go burn a freaking flag. Yeah. Yeah. Don't go burn it. Don't go act like a crazy person.

Now that's a whole different category of stuff. Don't go spitting on it and don't do stuff like that. That's very clearly being disrespectful to the flag, to the country and so on. But even in that case, you have the freedom to do so. Like we're not, we're not going to, you know, chop your arms and legs off for even if you threw the flag on the ground. I mean, now if there's military people there, they're going to beat your ass, I'm sure. But you get my point. Like, I think that if we're trying to think about why do we have these freedoms, what are they for? Well, they're

to continually to try to progress society forward. How do we keep moving society forward? Well, we keep asking good questions. I'm not in favor of the way that the police, the way the police treat African-Americansicans i'm not happy with the way african-americans are being treated in the united states so when they do the national anthem which is to show respect for the country i'm i'm not going to put my hand over my heart and i'm not going to i'm going to kneel instead or whatever whatever the situation i think i think it made a lot of sense one of the most peaceful things he could have done. Yeah. I think, you know, to answer the original question, like,

why were people so up in arms about it? I think it just has to do with the flag. You know, and on this big stage, you know, it's an NFL game. It's kind of like a lot of people get real emotional during that time. You know, they'll get an American flag that's the size of a in an entire football field and it looks sick dude it's amazing and then you know so here's their like you know super high point in their lives and then they look over and there's kaepernick kneeling and it's like whoa wait a second and then that's when you hear the comments well if you don't like it, go to another country. It's like, well, you really, really missed the point. So, I think that's what it is.

It just comes back to the flag. And then, of course, you know, people get like rage drunk. You know, they get super like one-sided upset. And like there's no way you can talk them down from that ledge. Like they're already over. It's the emotions of it. It's the interpretation of, you know, what they feel that it means to be an American. And we've talked about this a bunch of times here.

It's like Andrew's interpretation and Seema's interpretation, my interpretation. It's all going to be different on what it means. Like you guys could be for it. You guys could be against it. You know, what Kaepernick did or you could have your you're gonna have different insight and different information uh than i have it's totally it totally makes sense and i think that is why it got so much attention because people were like i know i i understand what he's talking about you know people were like yeah no and then like a lot i think i think it got people to talk about the

situation at hand it got people pissed at first and they were just focused in on him disrespecting the flag but i think as it progressed and as other athletes started to do it as well i think it drew it drew up conversation like okay you don't agree with him doing that but what do you think about like where where are we at with equality? You know, and some of them say, well, yeah, that's still sucks. You know, off of all of this for everyone that's listening, even if you disagree with something that I've said here, even if you disagree with something that Andrew said, even if you disagree with something that Mark said, remember that we're all here just having a conversation about it.

You know what I mean? And if you disagree with me for something here, I don't hate you. It's okay for us to have disagreements, but we want to continue to have a conversation about it. You know what I mean? So just remember that. It goes back to the same thing when we were talking to Daryl Davis. Be willing to just have a conversation with somebody about it. Get your viewpoint out. If you guys want to comment something that maybe disagrees with something here, don't be afraid to comment at it. We ain't going to hate your guts. Okay. Just want to be clear because these types of situations, I personally don't, I don't think that they should be as

divisive as they are, but they are. And it's, you know, when you have a viewpoint about something, you don't think it's radical, but some people will disagree, but you know, let's have a conversation about it. If you want, if you have something you want to mention in the comments, comment, we'll see it. Just saying. Yeah. I mean, like just to, to, uh, get pissed off and to, you know, be angry at it's not going to be something that's going to help resolve stuff. I think asking further questions, you know, Hey, what do you think about this? Hey, you know, they said this about this situation that you guys factor that in, you know, and adding to the conversation I think is, is, is really where it's at.

And hopefully, hopefully moving forward, people can, you know, try to have a cooler head about things and try to understand each other's points better. Yeah. I saw on some of the comments, you know, talking about being decisive, the Daryl Davis clip that Mark had posted on his Instagram. And I mean, yeah, it's pretty rough. And I've seen one comment that made me laugh. and I mean, yeah,

it's, it's pretty rough. And I, I seen one comment that made me laugh and I normally don't do this kind of thing, but I looked and he was like, thanks to Daryl Davis. I now joined the KKK because I was unaware of everything that was happening. And when I saw him on,

on Joe Rogan, I joined. And so I'm like, okay, I'm just curious. So I clicked on his profile and he has like a David Goggins motivational thing. So he could have been just trolling,

but like most likely. Right. But even, yeah, but even that people just get a rise out of other people and it's just, it's just all such a weird situation. There's no consequence, right?

Yeah. Consequence. Yeah, absolutely. You know, you can just, I mean, literally anyone can go on anybody's

social media and say anything. They could say anything they want about you. They could accuse you of something that you never did before. I mean, they could just, they could really just go in there and just drop a bomb and walk away. And then they don't have any, I think sometimes when people make those comments, they don't have any intention of ever going back and see even if you responded to it. So you're like, all right, I got this sick response. Like this could be perfect. I'm really going to burn this guy. This is awesome. And you like making sure like, Oh yeah, I worded it really well. And the punctuation is decent.

And like, I'm not going to offend anybody. And it sounds super smart and you like click like i showed that guy what's up but like no one cares you know i mean maybe some fans read it and they laugh about it if you made fun of somebody or pointed out something that was funny but i just don't think it i don't think it really moves us forward i think we could all agree that's just like these are all like lateral moves, and a lot of times they're backwards moves. For someone to say, oh, I was inspired by that, and I joined the KKK, it's like that's not really – it's not moving anybody forward. It's not funny.

The guy was probably trying to be funny. I was probably trying to think that this is like a humorous thing um and so i just think not that everything you do always has to be stuff that moves you forward either but i just don't think it's great to have shit that's moving you backwards yeah and then going back to your question and seem about you know are things getting better um i i i've definitely seen it get better i remember elementary school we had like one black kid in the whole school ended up being really good friends with him he was my boy curtis what's up dude see you ain't racist yeah see i got i got the one that's where i was going with it uh anyways so really yeah bro in elementary school one black

friend yeah and then dude this is funny so i grew up in i grew up every white person has one black friend to check this out sure and seaman's gonna love this so i grew up in woodland and so i met him hung out with him since third grade and then every black person that i hung out with after that was literally his cousin like there was one family in the whole town and like i knew like it was that legit woodland yeah yeah so in in elementary school there was the one black kid and then a bunch of mexicans a bunch of white people and then a handful of asians and then it's kind of the same thing throughout junior high but then right as i was getting into high school that's when like literally so small town woodland i promise i'm into high school that's when like literally so small town

woodland i promise i'm not racist uh that's when like more like indians started populating the area so i remember saying like oh we got like one or two now all right you're so careful i promise i'm not racist well i have to be careful dude i know i know and then and then in high school you know it was just like literally like a little bit of everything. But then now with Jasmine going to school, and I'm sure you guys, I mean, we do this at the gym too. But like we would say like Josh, like which Josh? Like, oh, Asian Josh or black Josh? Like whichever one, like that's how we do it.

I noticed that Jasmine, they don't do that. They say like so-and-so S or so-and-so R, like they, they do the last name. They don't say like, Oh, Asian so-and-so or white so-and-so. And so I thought that was pretty cool. Like I'm like, okay, that's definitely a step, you know, in the right direction because they're, they literally don't see them as this or that. There's just the person and their last name. And in this case, their initial or their last name. So. That's a brilliant observation, man. Yeah, I think it's great.

I'm not around kids, so I don't see this stuff much, but like both of you guys, Mark and yourself, I think Mark, you kind of said something similar. Like your kids are really keen on that type of stuff. And that's an amazing thing. Like, yeah, we are moving forward, but there's still a lot of shit we're seeing along the way yeah old people just need to die off well and they are we have a hundred a hundred k a hundred thousand americans have now died from covet 19 yeah damn i think that we just we've reached that today i think and then uh i think um i think elon musk was gonna like launch something in outer space too today but i think it might have got canceled oh really got aborted oh no or something no they were they were going through it but they aborted the mission like an hour and 40 minutes or something yeah they're gonna do it again on the 30th did they say why something something was just like well

wrong so they yeah so they like abort mission it's very movie-esque at least they didn't launch it and something happened thank god oh my gosh dude that's some that's some like yeah dr evil stuff they've already did the countdown and everything oh man you guys get any uh working out in today not me but i did wake up early because i needed to change my oil in my car and it's been so damn hot so that's what i did instead of training this morning i did some slingshot push-up i'm doing a minimum of 50 push-ups in the slingshot push-up every day yesterday i did 100 stabbed on 50 so far, but I'll do more. Now I'll get in a workout tonight. I'm doing that just because it's really actually been helping my AC joint out.

Cause like with pushups, my AC joint seems to hurt. But as I've been doing more of these normal pushups are not painful, are not nearly as painful here. So that's slingshot pushups been helping a lot. Yeah. I squatted for the first time with like legit weight on saturday and yeah i was i was pretty sore the next couple of days it was pretty bad but i did use the leg press and i did a lot of other accessories how you like and being back at st dude it was fantastic i

mean so i went on like a i think it was like a tuesday morning or something and uh it was just me and sully and he always has the music going. He's an animal, but like just being in the gym and hearing the music loud. Cause like when I train here at home, it's early. So like everything's quiet and it just, it felt so like,

I was like, I, I really did miss this, you know? And then of course, Saturday people started showing up. So it was really cool. Yeah.

It was, it was great to see that sully hasn't missed a meal either man he's not yeah i saw him yesterday he's down with the thickness he's so damn strong though yeah boy he's built yeah yeah i was in there yesterday i got a chance to train some boobs nice yes i just i drove down um two days ago stayed the night and then trained in the morning and got a bunch of stuff shot with my fat big fat friend jesse burdick and uh all that went really good it was it was cool to move around some weights it's been a while you know um i just uh did some like dumbbells and cable crossovers

and just some pure bodybuilding stuff but i think you know people that are when they when you guys do get the opportunity to get back into your gyms um you know give it give it some time like just pick stuff that you really like and that you really enjoy and do it maybe a little lighter than you're used to. Give yourself about two weeks before you start really trying to push. But just have fun. Go in there and just treat it like you did when you were young, when you first started training. Just literally pick the exercises that you enjoy.

Do a bunch of those and I I would say, uh, maybe have like two goals. One is to like work up a sweat and two is to, uh, not have, you know, long rest periods, you know, just so you can bring up your conditioning a little bit, but just keep it super simple. I think a lot of people are going to come back off of this and they're going to get hurt. You gotta be really careful. You know, if you're, if you're basing some of your lifts you're gonna go percentage based and you're like yeah i was you know in the middle of this program and uh you know my max was 400 in the squat and you're gonna try to you know do percentage based stuff again it's like well you got to take a huge knock on that and i just wouldn't even worry

really worry about that i would just do like set to 10 and 15 and stuff like that just for a little bit, just to get used to the exercises again. Yeah. There's a, be gentle with yourself, please. I think we might have another con I don't know if we're gonna have another conversation about this, but yeah, be really gentle with yourself when you go back in. Don't go off of your last maxes from your last training cycle. Just, just get in, get some good work, keep it easy, moderate, leave the gym feeling good. Don't leave the gym feeling beat up or you won't be in there for another three or

four days, you know? Please, please. My chest is really, really sore. Yeah, I killed it. I mean, I did, I started out with cable crossovers and i did some dumbbell work and i did like uh flat incline and then i finished with cable crossovers again that's always brutal when you you uh start and finish with the same exercise that's always tough and then for today i i went on a three mile walk with the 40 pound weight vest. And then I did a podcast with the people at Barbell Shrugged. And I did that podcast. I just left the weight vest on because I was like, this is a good opportunity just to keep this thing on for like four or five hours.

So that was my training for the day. My traps were lit up. Dude, you know, I'd be so okay. So y'all know how I've been using the the whoop thing right i'd be so interested in seeing like because they have this thing called strain on it um i've been like moving a lot of things from this house to another house and all of that all of those moving heavy boxes it's tracked my heart rate that's a substantial amount of strain and then that on top of like the jujitsu i do it like it really has it high. But with all the miles of walking the weight that you have the

heart rate and all that type of stuff. I it's like there's, let's just say 15 or 16 is kind of high strain. But honestly, Mark, based off of like stuff you do, I feel like almost every day you'd be above a 20. But that's a good thing because you're feeling good. Like you're doing all this cardio. You're getting your heart going. You're feeling good as you're doing all of this. So you're like, even though you're still getting better at all the running stuff, you're probably just like in incredible shape right now. And people don't realize that.

Yeah, it feels good. I feel awesome. When I went back yesterday and worked out and stuff, Tom's like, holy shit. He's like, you got even more shredded. He's like, I've been trying to do this and that. And he's like, look at my legs. He's like, my legs are so skinny. And I was like, yeah.

And I flexed my leg. I was like, my legs got jacked. I haven't squatted or body weight squats. I was like, I've just been doing some sprints. And he's like, oh, man. He's like, I got the short end of the stick here. Shit. Yeah, man. That's crazy. It's good, though.

Yeah, that's awesome. All right, men. Thank you, everybody, for checking out today's episode. Thank you, Perfect Keto, for sponsoring this episode. Again, they got a new promo code. Promo code POWERP code power project 25 or 25% off any order of $50 or more. Uh, for more information on them, please check out the, uh, YouTube and Facebook show notes and iTunes show notes. Uh, please make sure you're following the podcast at Mark Bell's power project on Instagram at

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putting a bunch of stuff together for the website. And it's just been great. Like we've had such a good response from the people that are on there. And it's just been great. Like we've had such a good response from the people that are on there. And in addition to that, to give everybody an update on my boy Corwin, who I've shared some information about him before. He's the guy that had the heart attack. He's been doing great.

Now he's actually like starting to lift. So he's making like progressions. He started out with walking and he would walk just a few thousand steps a day. Now he's up over 10,000 steps a day. Now he's starting to lift. He can lift like 20 pounds. He's not supposed to really lift any heavier than that, but I have encouraged him. I've actually gotten on the phone with him and said, Hey man, we got to get you like bodybuilding. So we're, we're going to give him like a kind of full on like bodybuilding program to do for a while. And, uh, once he, once he's able to he's able to do some bodybuilding for about six weeks and hopefully the COVID stuff is lifted, the quarantine is lifted. I'm going to have him pick a powerlifting meet, but it won't be for a while because we got to wait till he's like fully healed up and everything.

So, yeah, just some fun stuff, man. It's great to be able to influence and inspire people like that. It's really cool to, to see someone take the advice too, and take it to that next level. He's lost like 40 pounds. He's been kicking a lot of ass and it's just, it always just starts with one step starts with one small step. So if I can encourage our fans of the show to do anything, it's just to start, you know, pick something and just start doing it, whether it be walking or riding your bike or some sort of any

activity. Whatever the hell you can do. Do it. Find something simple. Find something that can be repeatable. Strength is never a weakness. Weakness is never strength. Catch y'all later. Thank you guys again for checking out episode 392 with just the crew. Sincerely appreciate your guys' time.

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