Mark Bell's Power Project - EP. 402 - Train Police More ft. KC Mitchell

Episode Date: June 24, 2020

KC Mitchell is an American powerlifter and United States Army combat veteran whose patrol was attacked by an explosive device. KC and his patrol sustained several injuries, including KC’s left leg. KC underwent 44 surgeries to recover from the attack and battled with pain killer addiction, alcoholism, and depression during his recovery. KC later found powerlifting which helped him work towards sobriety. He is now a competitive powerlifter, entrepreneur, motivational speaker, and the CEO of Rising Labs. Subscribe to the Podcast on on Platforms! ➢ https://lnk.to/PowerProjectPodcast Support the show by visiting our sponsors! ➢Piedmontese Beef: https://www.piedmontese.com/ Use Code "POWERPROJECT" at checkout for 25% off your order plus FREE 2-Day Shipping on orders of $99 ➢Icon Meals: http://iconmeals.com/ Use Code "POWERPROJECT" for 10% off ➢Sling Shot: https://markbellslingshot.com/ Enter Discount code, "POWERPROJECT" at checkout and receive 15% off all Sling Shots Follow Mark Bell's Power Project Podcast ➢ Insta: https://www.instagram.com/markbellspowerproject ➢ https://www.facebook.com/markbellspowerproject ➢ Twitter: https://twitter.com/mbpowerproject ➢ LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/powerproject/ ➢ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/markbellspowerproject ➢TikTok: http://bit.ly/pptiktok FOLLOW Mark Bell ➢ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/marksmellybell ➢ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/MarkBellSuperTraining ➢ Twitter: https://twitter.com/marksmellybell ➢ Snapchat: marksmellybell ➢Mark Bell's Daily Workouts, Nutrition and More: https://www.markbell.com/ Follow Nsima Inyang ➢ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nsimainyang/ Podcast Produced by Andrew Zaragoza ➢ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/iamandrewz #PowerProject #Podcast #MarkBell

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Mark Bell's Power Project podcast hosted by Mark Bell, co-hosted by Nseema Iyeng and myself, Andrew Zaragoza. This episode is recorded on June 23rd and it is with our buddy Casey Mitchell. Casey Mitchell is a veteran who was actually blown up in Afghanistan and when he came home he found powerlifting and still has, even though he had to get amputated, he still managed to deadlift 600 pounds and compete in a full power lifting meet. So bench squat and deadlift all on a prosthetic leg. So very inspirational dude. One of our favorites. He recently started up his own supplement company and we got into a lot of

the ins and outs of an actual supplement company. It is really cool. Him explaining how you can actually just go get a pre-workout made extremely cheap and still upsell it for way more than you actually paid. And what he plans on doing differently with his company and how he's actually been able to grow during the quarantine, during the lockdown, during this whole pandemic thing. And we got a lot of his thoughts on the current events going on with George Floyd, Rashard Brooks, and defunding the police. And I won't go into too much detail, but he gives us a really, really good explanation as to why we need to not defund the police. We actually need to fund them a little bit more so that way they can get the proper training. We also learned that Casey's actually having a hard time balancing his new business, family, and his fitness. So it's really cool to see how somebody who has been an elite

power lifter is actually having a hard time balancing everything. And we learned what he's going to do to actually get out of this rut that he's found himself in. So lastly, before I get out of your guys's way, time is ticking. If you guys haven't taken advantage of markbell.com by now, what are you waiting for? You guys only have a couple of days left to register and sign up for a free 30 day trial. You guys will gain access to the paid version as well as the premium version. That costs a little bit more, but right now for you, it's 100% free. All you have to do is go to markbell.com, register, and you'll gain access to the entire website for 30 days for absolutely free.

But you have to do it before the end of June. And looking at the calendar, you guys have about a week left. So don't hesitate. Just get up there, register. and again, like I said, it's absolutely free, so you've got nothing to lose. That's it for me. Ladies and gentlemen, please enjoy this episode with great K.C. Mitchell. It's crazy.

It's different than jiu-jitsu because jiu-jitsu you can't really – I can't get lucky against you. If we were to roll, I can't really – as I mature and as I learn more and as I gain more knowledge, I can't get lucky against you. You know, like if we were to roll, I can't really get, you know, as I mature and as I learn more and as I gain more knowledge, yeah, sure, I could probably, you know, get lucky here or there. Or you are working on something that's so different for the day that, yeah, maybe somebody can catch you off guard here or there

and you end up in a compromising position. But for the most part, it's just not, it's like, it's not impossible, but it's pretty close, position but for the most part it's just not it's like it's it's not impossible but it's pretty close right dude no you it's it's it's funny that's exactly if you're rolling with somebody punching each other they can get a and if you're super skilled at punching and i'm not i still might end up just clipping you with something weird i don't know where the likelihood is is is smaller but it could still happen. Especially amongst people that are big. Got two big guys swinging at each other. I mean, we've seen it happen.

I've seen it happen in real fights. I've seen it happen in the UFC. Someone just throws one from the fence kind of deal. Just blasts the guy. Yeah, you got a puncher's chance or a fighter's chance or whatever they call it. Have you guys ever watched Francis Ngannou punch? It's just like a punch's just like that's video game that's like a video game it's a video game but yo francis and ghanu has the same exact punch it's like that is like if you watch his

highlights every single knockout is oh yeah like it just it's the same thing but super quick oh man it's so funny so much, and he's so fast. Oh, my gosh. Chuck Liddell used to really throw his punches from his hip, kind of like what we saw Cody Garbrandt do recently. The punch is really like a real windmill wind-up punch, where you're like, what the hell was that? It's fun to watch.

You're like, I haven't seen. But Liddell was like uh you couldn't take him down he was really good at sprawling and keeping people away from his legs and then he would just throw a giant bomb at you and he would eventually hit you and then as he got a little older that strategy wasn't great because you know then you're going to get clipped because you're a little slower uh or maybe you become a little like drunk, and every time you get hit, it's worse than it used to be. That's one thing that gets me about boxing. I've been messing with our heavy bag and our other bags here.

Oh, look at this guy. Wow. Is he in a sauna? No. No. Bro, you're sweating it out over there in the sauna. I am. What you got going on, Casey Mitchell? Great to have there in the sauna. I am. What you got going on, Casey Mitchell?

Great to have you on the show today, buddy. Thank you. Thank you. Just out messing around a little bit, getting some cardio in this morning. Cool. I know that, you know, you're not a guy that's going to slow down. I know that during this, like, quarantine and stuff, it wasn't too, it wasn't probably too far away from the time that you started to really ramp up your supplement quarantine and stuff, it wasn't too, it wasn't probably too far away from the

time that you started to really ramp up your supplement company and stuff. So give us a little background on that. I know that you did start the supplement company well in advance of the quarantine, but that must have been some interesting times to try to go through with a new company. Yeah, it was definitely unexpected. You know, I think my company was about eight months, about eight months, nine months old when the whole quarantine hit. So very scary situation for a new company to, you know, be going through that. Not just that, you know, while I was going, you know, being a new company, I was also going through an expansion of expanding the company as well. And pretty much right when I expanded is kind of when everything kind of hit. So a very scary situation,

but just tried to stay focused and tried to stay relevant as much as I could. And, you know, I did notice that a lot of people were still doing some type of training. And so we were just trying to stay, stay ahead of it, you know, with them, like, you know, with making sure that people understand that we're still here to ship out to them, that we were still doing everything that we could, that we were, I guess you could say, the essential business part, that we were able to still stay open. But what I also did is that we had a lot of major sales because obviously people were going to be financially hurting or people were going to be financially scared and i didn't want them to not want to purchase due to the fear of you know of the inevitable of like if they're gonna have money what the future holds um not just that i understood

that it was a hard time for a lot of people so you know we had a lot of sales we we cut the prices quite a bit to uh kind of help each other out, basically. I wanted to help the consumers out, and I wanted the consumers to help me out by just being able to stay in business. So that's what I did, and it worked, and it got me through it. And, you know, coming out of the last little bit, last, you know, what was it? May was one of my biggest months ever for my company, you know, and it was due to the fact of I feel like we were just pushing volume on people. company, you know, and it was due to the fact of, I feel like we were just pushing volume on people. Is it, do you feel that it's harder to start a business? Does it take more energy to start a business? Or do you feel like it takes a similar amount of energy or more energy to continue a

business? Well, you know, I tell myself about, I think I tell myself weekly, you know, whether or not I'm going to swallow a pistol or not I have to say that this is the hardest thing that I've ever done in my entire life and it it's definitely harder than anything I've done like I said it's just it's mentally draining and at the end of day it's like you it's it's so hard to even be motivated to like work out or do anything because you're just mentally drained and it's the first time that I've really felt like that just because hard to even be motivated to like work out or do anything because you're just mentally drained. And it's the first time that I've really felt like that just because there's so much going on.

And yeah, end of the day, I'm pretty much done. Yeah, that mental fortitude is tough to kind of keep pace with when you're, you know, going through a full day worth of work. Do you think a lot of it has to do with the responsibility? It's all on your shoulders. And even if something goes wrong in the company that you passed off to somebody else, you still may have passed it off kind of incorrectly or didn't communicate well enough to get the particular result you were looking for. Is that kind of all the weight kind of falling on your own shoulders? Is that the hardest part for you? of you know all the weight kind of falling on your own shoulders is that the hardest part for you yeah it definitely is um you know you know every decision you make either can make or break the company and uh you know and not just that it's like you know you don't want to have that like

i guess potential embarrassment of like failing you know and so um you know me i don't i'm just a grad i graduated high school joined the military airborne infantry me, I don't I'm just a grad. I graduated high school, joined the military, airborne infantry, blown up. I don't have any college. I don't have any business background. You know, I've been I've learned everything that I've done so far on the fly. And I'm learning on the fly still as how to run a business and and and keep it moving forward. And I have I do make mistakes, you know, and, but I learned from those mistakes and then I do do sit back a lot and watch other companies and I jump off like, and learn off of their mistakes as well. I'll see some companies do things and I'm like, Ooh, I don't know about that one. And it doesn't go well. And I was like, yes, I'm not going to do that one.

You don't want to follow that CrossFit path. Yeah. Yeah. I've tried to cancel culture. I trust you. me i think i went to post several things that as i get ready to post something i delete it and just get rid of it i'm like you know what no not not not today i think i've done it about seven times that's actually smart though because sometimes it's like it's your vantage point it's your point of view for the for the moment and sometimes it's hard to uh persuade people to kind of believe in your vantage point and sometimes it's your point of view for the for the moment and sometimes it's hard to uh persuade people to kind of believe in your vantage point and sometimes it's just not even worth it because some people just might not understand where you're coming from right yeah you know

and i think sometimes like um okay for example like i was about to post something about and i'll say it now about that that horrendous uh uh bench uh world record bench that just was supposed to happen i mean just so i was just i'm so disappointed because i feel like lately strength uh strongman strength power lifting type stuff is make has so many opportunities right now to be like televised all over the world yeah and it was like thor john you know thor went and i just felt like the commentators were boring. I felt like I was watching golf. I love golf. I agree.

There was no hype. I was like, what is this? It was terrible. I feel like that was a great opportunity for a world record deadlift to happen and there wasn't a lot of hype. The commentators were terrible. Then you have the bench press go down and it wasn't a lot of hype the commentators were terrible then you have you know

the bench press go down and it looks like a shit show it looked like a shit show there was just people everywhere crowded everywhere uh you know the weight wasn't even loaded correctly and i'm like come on guys like i was just i think i went to write a bunch of things multiple times to post about just what a shit show that was and how disappointing i feel like it is to the strength community when we're when there's so many we're getting actual opportunities right now espn and everything like that to showcase and it's just done unprofessionally you know and i wanted to voice my opinion on that a couple days ago but i was like you know what you know he just went for it i'm sure i mean everybody's already kind of dogging it out about it and there were just so many things that i've seen wrong that when that went down i just was like just how embarrassing for the sport completely

yeah the weight was misloaded that was rough man yeah and that's hard to come but like when you're lifting that kind of weight man yeah i mean he unloaded i and thank god he's so damn strong that he was able to hold it and put it back and people don't understand like holding that type of weight uh how much how much that probably took out of him you know and then to go to do it again it's just i mean hey you know it's i don't know the chances of him doing it again like that you know so i don't know i was just a little disappointed because i was pretty hyped and you know i sit there and i i try to promote powerlifting just like you.

We try to make it more relevant in this world and more exciting and try to get more people involved. And when you have these big, massive opportunities and you have these long periods of time to get everything ready for it, you just think it would be done a little bit better. Yeah, I hope that it gets another shot. You know, I hope that based off of that, like, uh, if it didn't get great views and if it didn't get great hype, then I hope that, uh, somebody just recognized, Hey, like we could probably do this a little bit better. We should give it one more go, give it one more shot. Power lifting live, having power lifting be live, I think is, um, is, is, would be very, very challenging. Maybe the only scenario that I could think of would be like a round robin type

of thing where the weights are the same, you know, it's like, all right, Casey Mitchell's going to go up. He's going to take a crack at 600 and SEMA is going to take a crack at 600. I'm going to take it. Then you could clearly see like which guy picked up the 600 pounds or which guy was able to advance to the 650 or something like that. And you would clearly see it was competition, but there wasn't really in that particular show, there wasn't really, in that particular show, there wasn't really a lot of explanation of even what powerlifting was, is, or what a decent bench press is. Like they could have started out and say, like,

you can go to almost any commercial gym in the world and find a bunch of people that bench around four plates, you know. But some of these guys are doing five plates, six plates, seven plates. And I guess in Julius Maddox's case, eight plates, you know, but some of these guys are doing five plates, six plates, seven plates. And I guess in Julius Maddox's case, eight plates, which is just this uncharted territory. And that, that would have been cool to have a little bit of comparison and stuff like that thrown in there. Yeah, absolutely. I agree.

I just, like I said, it was just, I wanted to post stuff, but I was like, you know, it was a little bit, I was, I was running off emotions and I was just like, all right, I'm just going to go ahead and delete this one and just let it run out for a couple of days. But now I'm getting to say it. So I just, like I said, it's just, I want to see it. I wanted to see it conducted a little bit better. You know, if it's going to be done. You know, how about training right now for you?

Because you mentioned that like every single day is mentally draining and you don't even have the energy to train. And right now, I don't know how the gym situation is for you. have the energy to train. And right now, I don't know how the gym situation is for you. But with that being said, with everything with your business, are you actually finding it more difficult to get in as much as you were? And are you getting in as much as you were because of the whole COVID stuff that's been going on? So it's funny because I was legitimately just about to do a big talk about this, mostly to call myself out to my, to everybody in the sense of that. I feel like I, I'm kind of disappointed in myself, uh, due to the fact that I feel like I'm not training as hard as I was. And, uh, there are days that I'm like, you know, I'm just so mentally drained that I'm like,

no, I'm just, I'm just, I just don't train. And so, yeah, my training has been you know subpar honestly and i was about to call myself out on it because you know um there's just guys out there that are doing what i'm doing 10 times more like you know mark runs his business he trains the rock the busiest man in the world he trains you know andy priscilla he runs his crazy business he trains and uh it's what it is for me is that i'm still struggling on finding balance with everything. That's like my hardest thing that I'm doing right now. And I'm like, Oh, you know, for example, I had 300 orders to get out yesterday. And realistically, do I have to get all 300 orders out in the, in that day? No. Would it be great? Yes. But I'm so hard on myself and I care so much about my

business over everything else that I'll sit there and I'll work from morning until night to get all 300 orders out. And then by the end of that, I don't have anything left in me to really train. And so, you know, it's for me right now, I've, I've just really have struggled finding that balance in my life, you know, where I'm, you know, my training to my business, to being a dad, to just having a, like a social life, you know? And so it has sucked lately. My training has been subpar. I've kind of like been upset with, I was actually a little bit upset with myself last night. And, you know, today I was going to like do this whole little post about you know uh calling myself out to where you know this is maybe the one time that i need you know my fan base to kind of keep me accountable you know i i feel like i keep people

you know i motivate and keep people accountable all the time you know let me get a little bit accountability here and there you know and and i feel like if i was opposed something that not just that i feel like it allows people to see that I too will take breaks and struggle and slack off. We all slack off. And like I said, I just wanted to call myself out on it. So I guess I'm calling myself out on it right now. So yeah, it has been a struggle to find balance in everything so far. Yeah, a lot of it has to do with, you know, your perspective and

your expectations of yourself. You know, you're a survivor. You're somebody that survived war. And it's like, how many people can say they survived war? How many people can say they survived being blown up? Like that is just a, there's not a lot, right? There's not a lot of people. And so I think the expectations that you have for yourself are not only are they high, maybe they're sometimes excessive, you know, maybe sometimes they're just not reasonable for you to keep all those plates spinning all at the same time without some of the plates, you know, falling down and crashing to the floor. I think it's just going to happen here and there. And I think that it's okay to be honed in and focused on something like a heat seeking missile for a while, you know, for a period of time.

And then you can readjust and you can reassess. But I think a lot of men in general, I can't really speak from the lady side of things. I don't know what that's like. But from the guy's side of things, I see a lot of men really getting into business or getting into certain things and they get so locked onto it. And they're like, this is for my family, you know, for you. This is for my daughter. This is for my significant other. And it's like by the time you get home, you don't have anything left for anybody else.

And you can't play with your kid barely because you're just shot. And you're not really – you end up like not really being there. And it's a tough situation. I've seen it happen. It happened with my own dad. I remember when I was a kid, my mom, you know, just like stopped my dad dead in his tracks and said, hey, you're working too much. And he was like so confused because he was like, isn't this what I'm supposed to do? Like work my way up the ladder?

Isn't that what you kind of wanted? And she's like, yeah, but not at the expense of you never being around. And he's like, what? Like he didn't even know. Like he didn't even know. So, yeah, it can happen to a lot of people because you're chasing after that idea of success and you're trying so hard. You're putting so much into it that you barely even recognize, you know, how drained you

are, but it's great that you're being open about it. And it's great that you recognized it so quickly. It's awesome. Yeah, it's, it's definitely, it's taken a minute, you know, and, and I, and I feel like that's, that's where it's at for me too. It's, you know, I want one supplement company to make it in the supplement industry is very, very hard because it's a very saturated industry. And it's very hard to make it. And so to keep the growth and keep going, it's a lot of work every single day. But, yeah, I've caught myself realizing that, yeah, I want to build this great thing to give my daughter this great life. But I have been like you know noticing that

i've been missing out or i get home and i'm just a little bit tired uh you know you're a little bit more irritable you don't have the tolerance to kind of sit there and and when they're you know she's 10 so when she wants to be playful and goof off i'm like not in the mood you know and and i you know and i'll catch myself like i'll see myself do something like she'll want to show me this little tick tock that she made and i'm just like no you know i'll just be like no like not right now man like you know or you know and and then she walks away and i'm like oh you stupid ass like this is something she did you know and so i'll call her and i'll tell her i catch myself very quick because i'm very you know everybody knows how i feel about my daughter so you know uh i'm very quick to catch

myself and be like hey get over here i'm sorry you know let me see what you got going on you know, I'm very quick to catch myself and be like, hey, get over here. I'm sorry. You know, let me see what you got going on, you know, and it's just that she's excited and I'm tired and her energy is a little bit more than mine at the time. And I'm just, you know, you know, a little bunny rabbit jumping around the house. You just want to smack it away a little bit, you know, but no, I have caught myself, you know, and I'm trying to get better at it for sure. In terms of the supplement company, what got you wanting to start that anyway, being that it is so saturated, like what, what spurred the idea for you? You know, when I came into the first came into this industry, I started out just as an ambassador in the industry, you know, just like anybody else, you know, and I started as ambassador

was with a supplement company and then became an athlete with a supplement company. And as I was just kind of going through that, I just noticed a lot of things that they were doing that I didn't, I thought I could do better. But then I just noticed that supplements, I feel like nowadays have lost the good reputation for what it is that they're supposed to be doing. I mean, I mean, you hear so many supplement companies nowadays that are getting caught putting fillers and just not putting the actual ingredients and what's in it. And it's, you know, then you get then when you get to a point where the consumers are like, well, what makes your product so much better than theirs?

You know, and that's because that's just because there's so much shady stuff out there. And, you know, and then I when I first had the idea to do this, I remember going down and talking to a manufacturer. And this is what's crazy right here is what blew my mind. As I went into the manufacturer and I explained to him what I was wanting to do, their first word to me was, well, how much do you want to spend on a pre-workout? And I was just like, what? They're like, well, how much do you want to spend? Do you want to spend $5 on a pre-workout, $7, $10? And I was like, I don't really have a price. I a, I just, I don't have a price. I know what

I want to formulate, you know, and I know what I want to formulate. And then I guess you just tell me the price. I was like, do people come in and say, I want to, I want a $5 pre-workout and you make it. And they said, Oh yeah, all the time. And that's crazy to me that it's just like, you give this, you tell this company, you have this amount of money that you want to spend on a pre-workout five bucks and they formulate it for you to make that quota of five bucks and then they flip it around and sell it for 41 bucks and that's when you get crappy product you know and that's when you get the consumers being like it's all the same because everybody comes in wanting to spend the less amount to pay it to charge the most amount to have the biggest margins. And I just couldn't understand how that

is good business at all. And so I go in there, I tell them what I want to create, we create it, and then they tell me how much it costs. And then I find out what's competitive out there. And then I put my price based on that. That's how I work. And am I going to be a millionaire as fast as this guy probably that's doing a $5 pre workout at 40 something dollars? Nope, he's going to be a millionaire as fast as this guy probably that's doing a five dollar pre-workout at 40 something dollars nope he's going to be a millionaire faster than me but my goal is to be around for a lot longer than him you know I look at companies like you know first form been around forever um honey with evogen been around forever those companies the reason they've been around forever is because they have high quality good products and they're respected and so that's where I feel like there's not a lot of those so I feel like there's not a lot of been around forever is because they have high quality, good products, and they're respected.

And so that's where I feel like there's not a lot of those. So I feel like there's not a lot of saturation in the respected side of like supplements. So I try to put myself up in the realm of that. And it is hard, it is hard to grow fast when my margins are a lot smaller than a lot of other companies that are out there. And, you know, I've sat down with some multimillion dollar CEOs of supplement companies. And there was one, I won't say his name in particular, but I remember sitting down with him next to him in Houston at an expo. And I was getting ready to launch. I just launched my company and we were talking and he was, he was great. He was just like, ask me how everything's going. And, uh, we were just going back and forth. And all I remember him saying is,

I don't care what happens. All I care about is just being the fastest growing supplement company ever. So he doesn't care so much about the quality. He just wants to be the fastest growing supplement company to ever be, to live. That's what makes him go to sleep at night. That doesn't make me go to sleep at night.

Like that doesn't work for me. I don't care to be the fastest growing. I care to be one of the most respected. And, uh, that's why I've just been so much more motivated to continue to put out just like high quality products, you know, companies that I see that are doing it and that have just been around forever. That's the company that I kind of like tend to try to be. Well, if we go by your definition, your very own definition of why you started the company in the first place, then I got news for you, buddy. You actually made it, you know, because you used that word earlier.

You said, I just want to make it. And I think that that sometimes can be a confusing thing to throw out there into the universe. Because if you say you want to make it, it's like it's a never ending game. You're like, because what does that mean? It's a never ending game. You're like, because what does that mean? When you actually do make it, when you actually do have a million, two million, five million, six million, eight million, 10 million in the bank, it'll never really be enough because maybe you didn't define what making it means.

But it sounds to me like you're doing it because you had a goal to make the best possible products that you can within reason, because sometimes it's like it's hard to source certain materials and there's some other complications to having supplements. And there's reasons on why supplement companies aren't only obsessed with being the absolute best possible creation they could ever make, because it can just be like not feasible at some point. But in accordance to what you laid out for yourself, sounds like you're doing it, man. I'm definitely trying. We, we, we do a lot of work, you know, and my, you know, I drive to my manufacturer quite a bit and the, uh, the CEO of that manufacturer, he's actually tells me, Tess told me that he has

never seen a CEO inside his manufacturer so much and sits there and tests and does everything until it's like perfectly done. And that's it. I don't, I, unless I feel like it's 100% ready to go. I just, I'm not in a rush to get it out. I make sure I test and I test and I test myself. And if it's not good enough for me, then it's not going to be a good enough for the people. And I feel like that's just what you got to do, you know, to, uh, make a respectable, um, company that's, you know, have longevity in this industry. Uh, what about what about um like marketing strategies and stuff because you see a lot of supplement companies that will promise

like everything like x amount percentage more muscle growth if you take this one creatine or anything like that so how does it make you feel when you see stuff like that and how do you plan on you know attacking that for your business so i I allow, with companies like that, which a lot of them will say a lot of bullshit, we know this, you know? And thank God nowadays that there are people out there in the YouTube world that will eventually, slowly rip those companies apart.

So my strategy is to allow them to just destroy themselves internally, keep my focus forward, keep my head down and just stay on the grind and just keep doing what it is that I think is respected and what I believe in. I don't go out there and try to promote all this bullshit. And my customers and the people know that, you know, like I've had people that want to sit there and talk to me about, are you going to create a testosterone booster? And I'm like, look, man, there's just not enough scientific fact behind testosterone

boosters. I feel like that I feel good enough to make something and tell you guys that it's going to do this for you. If there's not a lot of scientific backing behind it, I just can't do it. I just, I just don't have it in me to sit there and make a testosterone booster without any type of scientific backing to promote that it actually does help do what it does. And so I just don't make it. And let me tell you what testosterone boosters, those are big, massive margins, huge margins. I did, but I just can't sit, sit down and do it. I, I get it all the time. And I'm very blunt to you. I said, look, I just, I'm not going to do it. I just don't, I don't know if it'll do what,

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When you're tired from putting in these kind of long hours, has your, your history, you know, been something you've been able to pull from, you know, being able to deadlift 600 pounds and being in the condition that you're in from having been blown up in a war? Like, are these things that kind of help you have a little extra reserve and dig deep and maybe work harder than the guy standing next to you? Yeah, yeah, I'm really good at functioning off being really tired. Yeah, the military will do that to you? Yeah. Yeah. I'm, I'm really good at functioning off being really tired. Yeah. The military will do that to you. Um, I'm, I'm amazing at infantry naps, you know, little 10, five, 10, 15 minute quick nap and I can go for hours. So yeah, absolutely. I'm, uh, I feel like some of the military stuff and some of the stuff has always carried over to what it is that I'm doing, you know, just to suck you know in just a different type of way you know and it does get tiring sitting there staring at a computer sometimes um but you know with this company i do everything

with this company i i i do everything you know everything that everybody sees i mean i'm i'm in the warehouse it's 104 here in the valley right now i'll be in the warehouse packing orders restocking the shelves doing inventory printing the fucking packing labels like i sit here and do it all myself right now you know and so i do get tired and i do feel like a lot of the military has a pushed over into that as far as learning how to suck and handling being tired and staying focused when you're tired one of the reasons i wanted to wanted to have you on the show today was to get some of your perspective on some of the different things that are going on in today's world, you know, being somebody that is a veteran and, you know,

seeing, you know, monuments getting taken down. There's, you know, the talks of, you know, what Colin Kaepernick did a while back gets sparked up again about, you know, disrespecting the flag and things of that nature. And just wanted to get some of your perspective and, you know, what are some of your thoughts? You know, you are someone that actually went out and fought for the country. And then to kind of see these things happen, you know, I'm not sure, like, if it was me,

I'm not sure if I would be uh like maybe i would be somewhat excited about about the fact that we have the freedom to even do that like i just want to get your perspective on it though uh you know i feel like right now the country's running off an enormous amount of emotions you know there's just a lot of emotions going on right now um i feel like that's part of like you know the monuments just a lot of emotions going on right now um i feel like that's part of like you know the monuments being torn down i think there i mean people are tearing down monuments i don't even make sense why they're tearing them down like this monument i'm tearing it down you know there's been military monuments that are getting um you know vandalized and it

doesn't make any sense like why world war ii veteran KIA guys' monuments are getting annihilated. It doesn't make sense. So, and it kills me to see some of that stuff. I did a little post about that. It kills me to see a lot of the military monuments and memorials getting just annihilated, and it's just, why? You know, and it's just, what did any of them have anything to do with any part of this, you know, that's going on?

And so it has sucked, you know, and, and I sit there and I try to, there's been many times where, like I said, there's, you know, where I've got on and I was just enraged. And I wanted to just say a bunch of shit. Um, and then I realized that right now at this time and place, you not a single person can walk outside and say the sky's blue without somebody shitting on you and disagreeing or making it that no, you're wrong. time and place you not a single person will walk outside and say the sky's blue without somebody shitting on you and disagreeing or making it that no you're wrong no you so it's just what i've

realized that you just can't there's just nothing that anybody can say right this time i mean i watched the rock right post a really good message and i thought it was great he wasn't biased on any side he said something great and then he got annihilated you know you got drew breeze who said that he would just never kneel on the flag and this and that he got annihilated so i just decided to go ahead and just sit back let the world there's nothing i can do there's nothing that i can say that is going to change what is happening there's just one too many people out in the world right now that are just so emotionally distraught and you got to let it run its course. That's a great vantage point. People are just a bit irrational at the moment, or maybe a lot

irrational just because they are running off of emotions. They can't really choose. At the same time, I understand it, but you can't, I could sit here and tell everybody all day, you can't run off emotions, but it's not that they're going to. That's just the way human beings are. That's the way a lot of human beings are that have not been into a situation or have had to handle things like this and have learned how to deal with them emotionally. Where their first thing is to destruct, run off anger, instead of sitting back. I mean, they may sit back here in the next couple of years and be like, damn, I probably shouldn't have done that one. I've done that many times in war.

Did some shit, was like, probably shouldn't have done that one. And it happens. And so I understand it. I did a little post that for some reason I could not get to load up on Instagram. I don't know if Instagram was blocking it or what they were doing, but it was not letting me load it up. And it was probably, I felt I took a lot of days away from everything. And then I was just on a walk and I felt like it was the first time that I felt I was about to speak. And I don't, what I was about to speak about, I don't think that anybody could have

said anything bad about it because there was just nothing bad to say about it. And, uh, it was about what's going on. Um, it, it was really about the, uh, uh, how I feel about what happened, um, and what I feel about law enforcement, you know, so, um, I couldn't post it, but, you know, I tried, uh, many times, but, um, you know, just right now it's just just so emotional. I think that there's not anything that you can kind of say or do right now. Well, what was it that, I mean, if you don't mind mentioning it, what was it that you were going to post since it wasn't able to actually post it? Well, I mean, it was like 30 minutes long, so I'm not going to do the whole thing. And I probably couldn't even rephrase it like I did. But, you know, I saw I woke up one morning and I saw this whole defunding the police thing.

But, you know, I saw I woke up one morning and I saw this whole defunding the police thing. OK. And and to me, that does that. That that that seems like that would be counterproductive to defund the police. Instead, I feel like and I and before while people are listening to this, before you start getting enraged that I'm about to say this, listen to me fully, is that I think you should fund the police a little bit more. And the reason that is, is because I am a firm believer, I have thought this for the longest time before any of this happened, that I feel like law enforcement lacks training. I feel like they do not have to go through a lot of training to become police officers. I get pretty pissed off when I see how fast an officer can draw a gun and shoot somebody in this country. When I was in Iraq and Afghanistan, Afghanistan being the hardest one for me, when I would go out on patrols, there are people that walk around with AK-47 assault rifles. 7.62 round automatic weapon that can shoot you and kill you

and penetrate through your bulletproof vest. Walking around. I'd also go into villages, get shot at from the villages, go into the villages, see guys with guns and can I just go in there and shoot them? No. That, how my hands were so tied over in a

war zone compared to these officers here in our own country. So for me to be able to shoot and kill somebody in Afghanistan, I had to have a weapon drawn on to me. Not an assumption of a weapon, not seeing a weapon. I had to have the weapon pointed up into my direction to where I then felt threatened. So it bugs me that here in the U.S. that their threatening levels were a lot different than mine in a war zone right a cop can shoot on you if you go to look like this he can shoot you oh these guys walk around with ak-4 swinging them around all the time i just couldn't drop a dude and a lot of times knowing 100 that that guy was

talent bad i could not just shoot him and that is a terrorist some of these how many times do you see people go do something and they shoot them dead and they don't have a gun right so it bugged me to hear the whole defunding of the police thing because officers i feel like i'm sorry and i love police. Trust me, don't get me wrong. I love the law enforcement. But you can't allow your emotions to control your trigger finger. I have been in a trust me a lot of times where I've been in situations where I watch my soul, my my my team leader get blown up right in front of me. and I couldn't allow those emotions to run into the village that I was about to go into and start raiding looking for the guys that just blew up my best friend and my team leader I had to go in there because there are innocent people in there there are people that are going to be around in the situation where they don't have no part of it there's going to be guys in there with guns that just because they have a gun it doesn't mean that they are one of the bad guys right so i can't go in there just dropping people because i had an assumption i had to be drawn upon right and so a lot of people when

they asked like well how when you went over there how did you did you get like an adrenaline rush and i was like yeah a little bit well how'd you control it well because i trained that situation so much that when it happened i ran through the motions that I was trained to do. You know, it's like the Navy SEALs. They train so much that they can go into a house and you could throw civilian people at them and they don't, they won't even shoot them that they, you know, it's controlled. And I feel like that law enforcement, they don't train. They going out to the shooting range doesn't train you to handle situations that you're going to handle out on the streets.

Okay? And so I always thought, like, well, if I was running stuff, why would it – my police force would be one week on the beat, one week training. One week on the beat, one week training. And if you can't sit there and tell me me, but we don't have enough law enforcement. Okay, well, let's fund the police to build a bigger law enforcement to where you can't have X amount of guys on the beat and X amount of guys training. Because I know as I was in the military, I trained five to seven days a week. Every day we went to work, we were doing some type of training to deal with situations that we could come up upon while deployed and when there we don't have that many like uh civilian

casualties when it's like one-on-one gunfire yeah bombs and artillery and stuff come in and cause casualties but as far as us going in, I can tell you right now, there was never about one time in my whole 13 months of playing in Afghanistan did we ever shoot a civilian. Did we ever shoot and kill somebody that we didn't want to shoot and kill? It doesn't happen. It doesn't happen because we have control of our emotions and we're trained. And so the lack of training is what I feel is the problem with what's going on right now.

It has people can sit there and say, well, well, it was because of racism. Listen, let's just be honest. Not you, not me, not anybody in this entire world is going to know, except for that police officer that was sitting on Floyd's neck, if he was racist or not. Only he knows. Only he knows if he was a racist or not. And if he was, he's a piece of shit. And what he did, period, racist or not, he's a piece of shit. And bottom line is the way that that all went down was because of lack of training, because he was running off emotions and he did what he did. Lack of training, lack of discipline for all of that, that just happened right there. And that's the problem with it. That's the problem with law enforcement these days is lack of discipline and lack of training.

So instead of funding them and helping them, you take the money away. So now they have less training because they don't have the money to do training. You know, and they have, you know, you just have, it doesn't make sense to me. And that's where I was upset about. And I get it. And people want to see the if you want to see the police be better then you've got to get them funded and you've got to get them in more training to where they can uh conduct themselves in a manner that they should

and not just that when they do fuck up there should be more disciplinary things there should be if you kill somebody, accidents happen. Don't get me wrong. Accidents happen. But like, you know, the Floyd thing, that guy should be put in prison for life. And that's where the problem is. You know, when

they're not getting the training and then the government's not doing what they should do by law, basically. You know, it's not you shoot somebody should do by law, basically, you know, it's not, you shoot somebody, kill somebody. You're just off the police force.

That's ridiculous. Cause if that's the case, give me a badge. There's probably a couple of people that I would like to pop out there. And if you're telling me that I can put a badge on, go out there, kill somebody. And if that's it,

I'm just not popping anymore. Fucking sign somebody up. You know what I mean? Do you think maybe there's a, do you think maybe there's also like, maybe like not, not a unified sense of purpose. know what i mean do you think maybe there's a do you think maybe there's also like um maybe like uh not not a unified sense of purpose like when you when you were in the military and you were going into some of these villages and towns i'd imagine that there would be a pretty

damn precise mission you know that was uh that was thought out that was gone, you know, you go over the mission over and over again, it gets relayed to, you know, someone in charge, that person in charge relays the mission again, and before you go out and do anything, and maybe in the police department, you know, protect and serve is what we know, like from an outsider, like, that's what they're supposed to do. And in the case of someone like richard brooks it's like or or in uh george floyd's situation as well it looks like everyone's everyone's fairly like everyone's fairly safe you know george floyd he was defenseless he's on the ground the guy's got his knee in his neck uh richard brooks now he did run away he did he did have he did have a

weapon on him um but i liked what you said about, we can't really just imply that he's going to go and do a bunch of crazy stuff to it, because some people that are saying, well, you know, what he did, he took something off a police officer, he resisted arrest, and he ran away, and he was maybe a threat to society. So some people are like, well, maybe he deserved to get shot. Right. But the other side of it is, look, man, if we if you go back and pay attention to really what happened, it just really didn't seem like the guy was, you know, he didn't seem

violent at all. He really just I think he was in an unfortunate situation. He didn't want to get in trouble again. It seemed like he got in trouble previously he was also very intoxicated and so the answer sometimes is kind of hard because they just let the guy like run the streets like we don't know what he's going to do um you know but shooting him seems like it should be like the last the last resort because it seems like everyone at the moment is okay everyone's safe and the police officer probably they probably would eventually caught up to him they probably

would eventually got him you know what i mean and it's just it's hard to say though because somebody might say hey what if he did something you know with the taser to you know just an innocent person walking by or whatever you know it's like i don't know if you can imply that that video that video i watched honestly dozens of times i watched from the beginning to the end dozens of times and at first when i at first when i first watch it and i see it all go down and they do and they shoot oh i'm like oh well that's that's legit like you know and then i sit there and i try to like okay now let's just redo this in a different way and okay i'm like okay now let's just redo this in a different way and okay i'm like okay the cops knew they seemed like the cops knew he had a taser

they knew he had a taser i think for sure right if it was one-on-one i think the situation could have went the way it went because what happens is is the whole thing is as well he could have turned around shot him with the taser incapacitated him, went over, got his gun, and shot him in the face. Got it. You're right. One-on-one, that could have happened. There was two officers there. Okay, that taser's not going to drop two officers.

It barely drops one person sometimes. So with there being two-on-one, him turning around, them knowing that taser, should you have shot him? No. I know a lot of people, you know, they're, well, you well you shot him in the back again i've watched that video over and over you shot him he shot him in the back because he's while he's running he's turned you know uh i'm not i'm never the type of person that would ever probably be able to shoot anybody in the back regardless you know um if you had a gun obviously then probably, because then you're just spraying bullets down towards us, you know. But a taser gun, that was a problem.

Two officers and a taser gun, to me, could have been definitely conducted in a different way. And I get it. I mean, I heard the same thing, Mark, like you said, about, oh, he could have got out there and done something with a taser. I mean, if I could shoot somebody with a taser, it's going to suck. I mean, I used to tase my brother all the time. We were going for fun. It's not going to, it's not going to kill you. It's going to suck. But it's like you said, they would have caught him.

If they would have just let him run, they would have probably caught him that night. They would have probably caught him pretty immediately. You know, again, he was drunk. Right. Again, he's drunk. Yeah. Again, I watched your video again. And then I saw that he caught that right officer with that right hook.

Hit him real hard with it too. I think a lot of adrenaline, a lot of emotions took over right there. You go, you know, you got to think a little bit of embarrassment might've happened right there. This guy was whooping their ass. I mean, let's just be real. He was, he was getting the best of it. And I think that's where the focus, I think that's where the focus should be arresting people and putting someone

in handcuffs as big and as strong as some of us are, man, handcuffing somebody would be really, really difficult. You know, and that's where the problem that's where the problems seem to arise in many, many situations. They go to arrest somebody and it's hard to get someone's hands behind their back and to try to, you know, link some cuffs together. It seems like this that alone seems problematic. And maybe the rethinking of even, you know, some considerations in terms of how to subdue a subject or, you know, any of these things, I think, at the moment should be really looked at and examined. But also, yeah, how did two guys, you you know let one guy kind of do that to them and get away and how is the taser even like can't they invent something better so the taser can't get taken by somebody i mean there's got to be technology there's got to be advancements that

that don't allow for shit like that to happen that's that's and that comes back to another part of the training you know why did you allow yourself to be in a situation to a guy that take a taser right you know like come on right how did he get that taser off you like that you know and and and with two of you guys you know and again it's a taser it's not a pistol right you know and and that and that's it you know it's conducting yourself in a way to be able to handle situation it seems like a lot of times when these officers get into these these scrubs it's like brawls it's like a brawl you know and i feel like they don't have the training on learning how to detain somebody the correct way uh or if somebody you know maybe go start take maybe each officer start taking

combative lessons you know sometimes i know i was in the military i took a lot of we take a lot of combative lessons for situations like that where we get up in the shit and we're doing hand-to-hand combat we're wrestling somebody on how to you know maneuver and put a guy down and and you know learn hypothetically what if you know hypothetically what if they got him in like an ankle lock or something i'd imagine he's gonna probably drop the damn taser you know what i mean like that's just probably gonna hurt pretty bad it's like i said i've watched all these things and i just i watch it i'm just like what is going on with this yeah you know i mean what's it take nine to twelve weeks to be a police officer you get a badge you're on the streets i think about how much training can you really get in before in nine twelve weeks to be in a situation where you

know your first your first night out on the beat you got you get some shit like that and you shoot them because you're scared you don't understand the situation you've never been in that situation before you never had the training you're not you're not like mentally and physically ready to conduct yourself to handle that situation because you've never done it and that's the that's where i think the problem is you know it's just like when we go to war our first time we get into situations that we've never been in like realistically been in but we're a lot of times we've done some type of training that has got us prepared for that type of situation and i think that's where the problem lies fully across the world to be honest but really right here in the u.s i feel like it's just

too easy to be a police officer uh and uh too easy to just be able to have a gun and walk the streets against people like that that are drunk and act retarded i mean every single person has got drunk and done some dumb shit that night he got drunk and did some dumb shit and he died for it and that's unfortunate you know it's like we the you know the idea that you're talking about in terms of training makes so much sense because even it seems like things are being done so we don't have to do more work because the amount of work it's going to like take to restructure processes like the richard brooks situation he was asking if he could go home okay let's say there's two officers you got this drunk guy that wants to go home you breathalyze him you know he's super intoxicated how about this how about you find a way to get him home you let him know you're

going to come there in the morning and you guys will deal with things then like what if that was a process that they could have done rather than all this other bs and then there's the other thing i think they're getting rid of chokeholds right within the police force but chokeholds are so useful it's just you can't have these especially one-on-one yeah you can't have these emotional officers doing when they don't know when to let go of a chokehold but it's one of the best ways to detain someone safely and now we're just going to get rid of it because we have untrained individuals or people with lack of training using something super dangerous because they don't know how to use it right now the likelihood of you

using your gun probably increases a lot it's like that was one of the things we could have done so they don't shoot people but now we're just saying no chokeholds right it doesn't make sense to me that's that's the problem and yeah and that's the thing is like they're trying to get rid of all this stuff to where they don't shoot people but you're almost giving them no more options but to shoot people you know and and it's crazy it's it's like said, it's crazy. It's the defunding the police thing has just driven me crazy. It's just it just doesn't make sense. It's so counterproductive. It just doesn't make any sense. interpret some of these things, even the laws in Minneapolis, when I heard about the particular laws they have in terms of restriction of what you can do to somebody's throat, the officer wasn't even in violation of any of those things. As much as people would be profoundly pissed off about a statement like that, from what I've heard it's it's fairly true because

the language there's no language about you know what he did you know what he did obviously he he he knew what he did was wrong um you can tell by this the way he's like sitting there and everything else and we can we can look back on it and we can we can figure out ways of getting rid of that but even the very laws that we have and just the protocol that we have, a lot of it, a lot of it needs to be fucking checked. You know, a lot of it needs to be looked into further.

Yeah, absolutely. I mean, Floyd foaming out of the mouth, pretty good sign. You need to fucking probably get up, uh, urinating.

I don't know if you saw that. It looked like urination was coming out. That's your body, you know, shutting down. how you not, how do you not see that and what it was is i we none of us nobody's gonna know the beef between those two guys i guess they've had run-ins before from my understanding um what that whole situation is but you know it what drove me crazy is that he was such a he was such a piece of shit that he just sat there right on his neck with his hand in his pocket.

It's not, you know, he's not like he was sitting there fighting this big ass dude where he was trying. I mean, this guy was, you know, you're pleading for your life. I mean, that's that, like I said, that's why that was probably one of the most vicious videos I've ever seen in my, in my life that I've been living, you know, and, uh, I, I've told many people not to watch it because you literally get to watch an execution on camera. And, you know, I do understand the outrage of the people. You know, again, whether or not it was racist or not, nobody's going to know. But that officer, he's the only one that knows. But the one thing that I can tell you is that that officer was poorly trained and not disciplined enough and shouldn't have even been in a uniform.

And that's the bottom line. And maybe if they do better training and things like that, maybe then it wouldn't happen. Maybe it would have because deep down he was a racist. We're never going to know. We're never going to know. But unfortunately, Floyd paid for the rest of his life, and now that cop is going to pay for it for the rest of his life now, too. I also think you just look at the rest of the people that were there. And you look at, again, like the Rashad Brooks situation and some of these other situations.

Is everybody else okay? Or are they in harm? Are the people that the police are supposed to protect are they in danger or not it looks like they're not it looks like everybody's okay so chill the fuck out you know what i mean i mean my thing is once you once you detain somebody you have somebody in cuffs what what are they really gonna do yeah if he ran away so what where's he gonna go yeah i'd get up off them because if they try to get up they're gonna look retarded trying to stand up their hands behind their back i mean what what are they gonna do i mean they're gonna headbutt you to death with their hands on their back because they are called dana white and

signing them up for the price i mean that's what the problem is it's you know again i literally will say it again it comes down to training and it comes down to all those officers having the lack of training of the situations to deal with situations emotionally. And that's what it is. Those guys were running off adrenaline and emotion. And none of us are suggesting that we have officers trained more, so they're more aggressive. And so they cause more trouble. I think that some people are kind of looking at that. And it's like, no, no, no, I don't think anyone's in favor of anything like that. We just want them to have more knowledge so they're more secure so they make better decisions uh that are less deadly you know the the situation where they pull out the gun is literally

the last resort because the person in question is potentially going to kill or hurt somebody else or hurt themselves or kill a police officer or something like that. That's the only time, right? Right. I mean, how many times have we seen officers do these shootings and they, like, dump a clip into somebody? What? Whatever happened to controlled rate of fire? Like, I never was overseas and I was just like, with my rifle.

like i never was overseas and i was just like room with my rifle you know these cops can will dump a magazine into it and into a person a civilian here in the united states and it's again they're just they're just not trained good enough to handle the situation so they allow their emotions with their trigger finger and it rattles off it's crazy and it's it's it's terrible it's terrible um you know not a lot of people know this, but, you know, one of my soldiers, when we got back from deployment, he was actually shot and gunned down in his doorway by a young sheriff that got scared because he came to the door. And when my buddy came to the door in Washington, he could have a gun. He came to the door with a gun, and the officer dumped six bullets into his chest. Didn't pick up the rifle, didn't pick up the rifle didn't pick up the shotgun didn't do anything and my other soldier watched him die on the couch

oh man we did 13 months deployment and he got gunned down in his damn doorway all because he had a gun a shotgun strapped across his chest and you know and he died you know and that's the problem that's the that's the problem with what's going on you know and um and um i like i said the defunding of the police thing is is the most ridiculous counterproductive thing that i think is going on right now i'm just gonna have worse officers to choose from at that point god well yeah i mean think about it how many people really want to go be a fucking cop right now nope you know what i mean you just you i mean you i mean cops are walking out of atlanta everybody's done you know uh chiefs are retiring i mean everybody's done and i and and i do i get it and i don't get you know i get it because now it's like oh you're

taking you're making it more we can just, you know, we're out there. We shoot somebody. We're going to prison. No, just do what you're supposed to do the right way. You know, just don't kill somebody. Don't kill an innocent person. And you're pretty much not going to go to prison. Some of it's my understanding, too, that you really can't defund the police the way that people are thinking anyway, because a lot of them are already in line for a pension.

And so it's prepaid for so you're not going to be able to you're not going to be able to all of a sudden allocate money uh to a new destination and if you were it wouldn't be for many many years because these people are going to they're going to get paid the rest of their lives usually yeah yeah like i said i just i just really that that was kind of like what i spoke on the other day what you know it's there you can't really you can't really say anything bad about that you can't ever really want less training for the guys that are supposed to be out there you know protecting us you can't really so that was like my whole thing that was like something i really have been thinking about i've thought about it for a long time but i always thought it was real easy for anybody to kind of be a police officer and have a gun and be on the streets and and and come up on any kind i mean the

i can only imagine the crazy amount of situations that they come up on you know here here in this world you know but you got to be trained up and ready to deal with it when it when it happens yeah none of us by the way are saying that being a police officer is easy either. I think we all understand it's extremely difficult. We've never been in their shoes, so we can't really say for sure. What are some things that you're maybe sharing with your daughter or any about just kind of all the craziness that's been going on between like COVID-19 and what we've seen after the George Floyd situation? So the COVID-19 thing, I've just tried to explain to my daughter what it's about. I feel like kids are okay with it because they just think they're wearing these cool

ass masks around and stuff, you know? You know, I mean, my daughter, I mean, she's like, I got her a new mask and she thought it was awesome, you know? And, you know, but with the COVID-19, I tried to explain to her and i am more just trying to teach her how to be a little bit more sanitary um you know you can't be putting your hands in your face your mouth and stuff uh you know don't even it was real tough there for a while being out of school being locked down at home and her you know you know kids getting bored and not knowing what to do and you know my daughter's thank goodness is very like crafty and into crafts and into tiktok and making videos and she's a very creative person so it was a little bit easier

for her you know we would uh grab the claws and me just me and her would take out and go the middle of nowhere we write claws and kind of get it in and do things like that so the covet 19 thing and i'll try to explain to her what it is try to make her understand about you know just she needs to be a little bit more sanitary and things like that. As far as like what's going on in the world, Mark, this is probably the first time that I've ever hidden something like this going on away from my daughter. I have hidden this completely from her.

I do not. I'm hoping that she doesn't learn about this until she's like in high school and they're learning about it in history. I think it could scare the hell out of a kid. And I do not want my daughter knowing what the world is right this second, you know, cause I'm hoping when she gets a little bit older and she starts living in this world, it's a, it's a lot better. So, you know, as of right now, it's,

it's candy and rainbows out there right now for her. And she has no clue what's really going on right now it's it's candy and rainbows out there right now for her and uh she has no clue what's really going on right now um not just that i don't think that the world even has a clue what's really going on right now and what's really going to be happening in the future i think everybody is kind of shell-shocked right now at what's going on um and i'm just hoping that it gets to a point where everybody on all sides of how they feel and their beliefs about this kind of come to a conclusion that things are changing for the best and that the world just starts to roll again like it was, you know, not so long ago before this whole Floyd thing. And at the same thing, you know, at the same time, you know, not so long ago before this whole Floyd thing. And, and at the same thing, you know, at the same time, um, you know, this whole Floyd thing, uh, it, it did need to happen in a way,

you know, it did need to happen in a way. And unfortunately, you know, Floyd had to take the blunt of that to make a change. Um, you know, he didn't get to go, he wasn't able to go out there and voice his opinion on the change and make, uh the world change us off his mouth um it took his it took his life to change what has needed to be changed and um uh you know all you can kind of do is sit back and kind of thank floyd in a way and i know a lot of people are like how are you gonna think he's not a hero well the guy's dead and the world's changing and hopefully hopefully it'll be changing for the worst or for the best, because if not, it changed for the worst. And, you know, Floyd kind of died for nothing. And that officer is going to kind of go to prison and nothing kind of changed. So it was all kind of like a wash. And that's that, you know.

So, like I said, I've just kind of I've just I'm just hoping by the time she's a little bit older that things are a little bit better. my time sheet's a little bit older, that things are a little bit better. Is there anything that you learned specifically in training that, that helped you to be able to deal with emotions, maybe better than the next person? I mean, especially because you're somebody that had to live the rest of your life with the battle injuries. Has there been anything specific that was like learned or taught or was it just more conditioning over like a long period

of time definitely conditioning over a long period of time you know yeah i still to this day have to like take a step back to control myself emotionally like i said with like getting ready to post something or do something you know i kind of take a step back you know and uh try to let it run its course myself try to sit back you know and if i try to sit back, you know, and if I'm emotional, I let my emotions go down. And then I think about everything that's going on. And thinking about what I want to write or what I want to post or what I want to go out and do, you know, or say. And so I just think conditioning over time, and I honestly, like these kind of things that are going on, the whole entire world is getting conditioned right now, you know, on how to control their emotions.

I mean, they're going to learn a lot after what has gone on, you know, these past couple of weeks. Has there been a time where you've noticed maybe in battle where being overly emotional was useful? Yeah, absolutely. The time with Tom Troy, my team leader got killed um i that was the very first real hardcore death that i had to deal with he was a private one i got him and then he became a team leader with me and then he was a team leader under me as you know he's my i was a squad leader and um i like i you know i watched him i watched this great human being just get obliterated by a bomb right in front of our eyes walking you know and it was very very emotional and um it took it took us uh over three days to find major parts of his

body to be able to sit home uh because at that time he was just dust off one. So that means he was missing in action because we couldn't find any major parts of him. So it was very hard to control our emotions going through the villages, going through, you know, the tree lines and the orchards and stuff like that, looking for him. At that same time, you know, we're countering enemy forces that are

attacking us while we're in there. So we're still in the fight, but we're also looking for our guy and it's very hard to control, you know, or as much, you just want to sit there and just start shooting everything. You can't, you can't, you'll let those emotions control what's going on. A lot of times if you do that, it's going to end up a lot worse than, um, what it was going into it. So, yeah, I mean, it has helped me out a lot in times, my emotions, you got to control them. Um, with that being said, because I was so emotional, uh, and we were so made me so determined that, you know, we were so exhausted for so many days of fighting and looking for his body. You know. It's very hard to control those type of emotions while being pure exhausted. And so there was a lot of times that I was in those kind of situations.

And you do have to kind of control what's happening, especially when you got something that can take a life very, very quickly in your hands. So, yeah, I have been in those situations and I do understand it fully. And there has been a lot of times in combat and training that I've learned to just control those emotions during those types of situations. But at the same time, you have to understand, Mark, is that, you know, when we go over there, just like these officers, every time they go to their precinct and they get into those police cars and they drive out of that police parking lot,

every single time they have to understand that it's tonight for these next eight hours or 12 hours, how are they letting them work? It is life or death. It is. You can't get complacent because sometimes if you get complacent, it'll catch you off guard

and that's when you make mistakes. And with us, every time, we always rallied up together before we went out, made sure nobody's complacent, we knew what the mission was at hand. And you go out there and you conduct yourself in that way that, you know, it could be life or death. Let's go out and let's let's do this, you know, and you go out and you're just ready for it, prepare your mind for shit to happen. And then when it happens, you're already kind of in that mindset for to deal with the situation and i think police officers need to kind of start getting themselves into that because yeah it's not always going out there and just driving around a police car giving out tickets you know at any given time a call comes on that radio and you you know you might be in the shit with something that you you know you might be in a wake go or

some shit like that you don't know what somebody's got brewing over or the las vegas thing nobody was prepared for that las vegas thing to happen you know so that's you just you just don't know so you every time you roll out you got to have that mental you know mindset to it's it's it could be life or death today let's go out let's do what we're trying to do but you know let's kick ass but let let's uh let's protect the people at the same time you know and uh when the shit pops pops off you know, let's kick ass, but let's, let's, let's protect the people at the same time, you know, and when the shit pops off, you know, they should be mentally ready to handle it based off of the sheer amount of training that they do all the time, which they are not doing today. I find it so interesting when I hear individuals from the military, like yourself, talk about the situation. It's like, you guys are all echoing the same sentiments

it's it's all the same thing more training more specific situational training it's just like why don't we have more individuals from the military having a hand in helping the police force in some way i i don't know how that structure is but it's just like you guys are saying all the things that need to be done yet it It's never been done. Well, it's just with the, in the military and what we do, you can't possibly overtrain for that. You can't overtrain your mind for those situations. The more training, the more you do, the better and the more, uh, ready you are to handle those situations when it comes. There is is no there is no such thing as overtraining in the military that's that's where the difference is there is no overtraining you

can't get enough training and uh and over here it's lack of training you know and it's for example like you know like you said yeah we do get ourselves prepared for these situations because like i mean when i was in when i thought i was getting ready to go to Iraq my second time, I was in – I was at Fort Irwin. We just got there, and we're getting ready to go through one month of training of Iraq training, of getting ready to be in Iraq, right? We're getting ready to deploy to Iraq. While we were there, we get right-hook side-blinded. They're like, you guys are now going to Afghanistan. We're just came down from the top.

You guys are gonna be the first strike of the day to ever go to Afghanistan. So what did they do? They put us, they put a stop on us for a week. They're went and redid everything to get us to train for Afghanistan instead of Iraq. Cause it is two different animals of war fighting. So we did stop.

We were doing, and they, that, that, that training all went from Iraqaq to afghani training and we started training like that you know it that that's because that's what you have to do you can't train for this situation and then get thrown in this situation not understand how to conduct yourself over there or what to prepare yourself for over there because it is two

different beasts you know and that's that's just that's just, that is, I agree. I, I don't know why the military doesn't have their hands in a lot of this. Um, I feel like there should be, you know, some, you know, maybe retired Navy SEAL guys that they bring in and they pay a good amount of money to train different people, bring, uh, you know, guys that got out honorably from the infantry and things like that. You know, when I first got out of, uh, when I got back and I was in San Diego and I just got done, um, you know, finally retiring from the military, I did go down and work with the US Border Patrol for a while, down in San Diego. And when they figured out my tactical and training knowledge, they put me into a room to watch these guys prepare a mission to go out on. And I just sat in the back. And when they got done

with it, they pulled me into a room. They said, what did you see? And what could you do better if you were them? And I told them everything because none of those guys in there had any type of military tactical training. And in San Diego, in that area, these guys are going through the brush and they're in the woods. And they're, I mean, there's, it's pretty crazy out there. People don't realize what's really going on over there on the border i couldn't believe what was going on over there on the border and uh then they had me come in and brief these guys on things that they could do better tactically to take and capture those guys that are coming over those drug lords and stuff like that or you know anything and everything you know and yeah i i agree i think that the

military should have um some hands in on things because we do do a lot of training. Like I said, you don't get a lot of days off Monday through Friday, at least minimum you're training every single day. It's not sitting around doing nothing, you know? So, you know, like I said earlier, I really wish that, you know, they can make it a way where it's, you know, tactical training one week and then you're working one week. I mean, you're working is working.

That's what we used to do a lot. We would train for a week and then we would go out and conduct missions, you know, here in the States. You know, we mission plan, do all this stuff, train, train, train, you know, and then go out and do the mission that we, you know, we were training for the whole entire time. And if they could go in there, I mean, come on. They all know domestic calls. They know how a lot of those are going to go. Well, put it in a situation where if this domestic call does this, then this is what you guys should do to do this.

If a guy pins himself in a house, this is what you guys do to do this to get into the house and go in there. And I guarantee you there's a lot of cops that into the house and and go in there and and i guarantee you there's a lot of cops that could not enter and clear a building the correct way i guarantee you you know uh could they could what i would i trust honestly this is me being awesome this is no nothing against officers but i would be scared to death to be in a house as as a hostage or civilian to have not swatAT, because SWAT trains that, but have cops come in with the bad guy inside there with a gun to trust to shoot him instead of me,

I would be probably pretty freaked out. Because at that time, you're telling me that if you can't conduct yourself in a way to not kill a guy running away from you with a taser gun, how are you going to go into an enter and clear a building with a guy with a gun it's going to be pretty pretty tough right it's it just comes down to like the percentage base of like what they've done compared to what they haven't done and that just comes down to like i said this whole this whole this whole thing revolves around training. And I just truly think if they got more of it, that there would be less of what's going on around right now. Casey, what's the major hurdle standing in your way of you getting some training in yourself, some getting back into lifting and being more accountable with your fitness?

What do you think is – you mentioned time being something. with your fitness? What do you think is, you mentioned time being something, is it possible for you to, you know, get your training done, uh, you know, early in the day as the first thing. So it's like literally the first priority or what do you think you have to do to get back in touch with your fitness? Well, I, I did it on the show right here. I called myself out. There we go. I love it. I called myself out and that's just the way it is. And I, you know, I was already planning on calling myself out. Um, you know, you know, I've always lived with that whole, no excuses mentality. And it's like, I'm mad at myself because I've been promoted. I'm like, I preach it and I'm not conducting it myself and I'm pissed off at myself, you know? And, and I think that when people can sit back and be pissed off at their own selves for what

they're lacking, I mean, I think that's like the greatest motivation, you know? And, uh, I know what I'm doing wrong and I, and, um, you know, I don't want to give myself a timeframe of the day of when I need to be training. I just need to fucking train. I just need to do it and, um, have no more excuses about it. You know, uh, you know, my mind hurts, my body hurts, everything hurts. Okay. Well, you know, you're going to feel a lot better when you get done doing what it is that you haven't been doing in a while. So, you know, like I said, there's just guys like you, Andy, Rock, all these guys that are just, they work all the fucking time and train all the fucking time.

And so there is no excuse for it. It's just me being a little bitch and, you know, for the first time ever, pretty much I feel like. And so, you know, I'm just I already did it. I called myself out and this is that that was it. That's all I needed to do right there. What I would encourage you to do is just to try to do like one thing, you know, that way you don't make the workout seem like this big mountain to climb. And any exercise that you hate, just don't even do them for now. mountain to climb and any exercise that you hate,

just don't even do them for now. You know, give, give yourself a little pass to just go in there and get a, get a good pump, feel good and get the hell out of there. Yeah. What I've been doing, I've been, I've been going, I, and I, and I, I hate them. I hate it. Cause it hurts. I hate, I hate walking. I hate walking and I hate running. It just is not, does not feel good on my legs at all, but I've been getting up every day. And me and the Husky, we've been going for two-mile walks every day.

And I've actually been really enjoying it. It's actually kind of like letting me get myself ready for the day, but also letting me clear my mind a little bit. And honestly, sometimes when I clear my mind, I come up with my greatest ideas and my greatest things. And that's what's been happening lately, is that I've just been getting up, grabbing the old Husky and we've been going out for walks and, and, um, I'm learning a lot about myself. I'm, uh, I'm, uh, coming up with a lot of great ideas. I feel like I see myself getting a little bit more motivated because

I'm coming up with these ideas. Um, but it just kind of sets the tone for the whole entire day. But it just kind of sets the tone for the whole entire day. are listening right now that have been banged up or have injuries or maybe they're in a position like yourself where they're military veterans that have been hurt in battle. What's kind of your motivational speech to get somebody going that has, you know, think back to when you were, you know, recovering from all these surgeries and all these different things that you had happen. You know, if you can think back to what was the thing that got you the momentum to continue to get yourself into the gym and get ahold of your fitness? It was honestly all of the, like, what ifs is what kind of got me, like, you know, back into the gym um all the uh uh no ways that people would tell me it's not

impossible or it's impossible you know those types of things is what kind of got me motivated to get in the gym you know it's just like well what if you go in there and you do this and you hurt this or what if you do this or what if you can't you know be 90 years old you know playing tennis or it was just things like that that it was just like, you know, don't, don't live, don't live in the now, not what's in the future, you know? And, and that's what I just started doing. I started living in the now and I started doing things that I just enjoyed. I knew I enjoyed fitness, you know, I knew I enjoyed it. And, and that's the thing is what people, when they get injured, um, I don't think that you have to go jump into like fitness right out the gate. You just need to find something that you enjoy right out the gate when you're bouncing back from

any type of, you know, tragedy or, you know, injury or anything like that. Just like you said, just get out there and get a pump and do that and get back in the rhythm and just, and have fun with it. And so, you know, for me, it was, I found, I wanted to get into fitness, but I wasn't good at it yet because everything was just so painful, but I got into golf and I got out there and I was doing something and I was moving around. And that eventually slowly pushed me over to like getting in better shape. And then getting into better shape pushed me over into powerlifting, you know. And now here I am back, you know, back into like where I first started. Like now I'm back into enjoying golfing again.

Getting outside and just taking a break from everything and just enjoying myself. And so if anybody out there is hurt or injured or not motivated, just find something that you enjoy right now. Live in it right now. And then once you get to a point where you feel like, i can do something else then go do that you know uh you know fitness is just the thing that i feel like people get wrapped around their heads so much with fitness is like they see all bodybuilding why you know bodybuilding or powerlifting or that no fitness is just getting up and going and doing something and doesn't have to be hardcore like we do you know it doesn't have to be at that level it could be anything getting on a bike going for a bike ride doing your 20 minute walks like you do

all the time you know things like that get out and just do that and usually a lot of times that turns into something bigger down the road and so that's what i would do that's what i've been kind of basically been doing this whole entire time and And, you know, I've had about 42 different types of fitness things that I've wanted to do, you know, ever since I got into this fitness thing. You know, I box. I golf. I go on these horrible walks every morning now. You know, it's just, you know, I did the bodybuilding thing. I do powerlifting.

I, you know, done strongman stuff. Like I said, you just got to do one little thing at a time and it'll turn into something else that you don't even know. When I was golfing in San Diego, did I think six, seven years down the road, I'm going to be doing hardcore powerlifting? Hell no. It wasn't even in the realm. It wasn't even an idea, but here it is. It just started off with just doing something that i enjoyed at that time and as you get older and you grow and you do different things you fall in love with different things you know and you want to do other things and and i and i feel like that's what i mean there's so many people in the fitness industry i mean you crazy you know power lifter

now you've done bodybuilding you i mean i think i think i even heard you've done crossfit you know, power lifter. Now you've done bodybuilding. You, I mean, I think, I think I even heard you've done CrossFit, you know? So, I mean, it's just, you've done it all. It's just like, and you look at Dana Bailey right now, Dana Bailey's like running track now doing, you know, all this crazy calisthenics stuff. That's an elite bodybuilder at one point. She did powerlifting at one point. Now look what she's doing. When she was bodybuilding back in the day, did she ever think she'd be out on a track running times for miles? No, but she was there and now she's here and that's what fitness is. And that's, and I think that's a great thing about it is that you're going to fall in

love with multiple types of fitness things as you just get going on one little thing right out the gate. Awesome, man. Thanks for, thanks for your time today. Where can people find your supplements? Risinglabsco.com. And then what are some various things you have? You mentioned pre-workout. What

else you got? And a pump formula? Yeah, so I have three pre-workouts. I have a stem one. I have a non-stem, caffeine, no caffeine. It's all for pump and focus and then we have a nootropic one that is a great stimulant great stimulant mind body you know connection uh pre-workout um you know we have creatine we have the eas we have thermogenic fat burners um we have a great protein that is selling like crazy it's a uh a protein like release type of protein has all three proteins in it to where it has a sustained release of protein throughout an eight hour period of time. Um, so we just got a lot of good things going over there. You know, I started this company with three products, you know, and I think I'm at like 20 something skews now, you know, so it's growing good. It's, it's doing well.

Um, just, you know, it's just, uh, I would like to see where I'm at in five years. You know, I want to, where I want to be in five years. I want to be there now, but I just, I know how that works. You know, every day,

trust me. I look at other companies. I'm like, how are they bigger than me? But they just been around a lot longer. So it's just, it's a marathon for sure. I got a feeling that you'll get it figured out,

buddy. I hope so, man. Where, where can people find you? Uh, my Instagram is that one leg monster. Um, that's pretty much all that I'm on. All right, man. Where can people find you? My Instagram is that one leg monster. That's pretty much all that I'm on.

All right, man. Great to have you on the show today. Have a good rest of your day. All right. Thanks, Mark. Appreciate you guys. Thank you, sir. See you later.

All right. Casey's dope. He's awesome, isn't he? He's fucking awesome, man. I love seeing the maturity in people, too. You know, we've had him on the show a couple times. Not that he was immature when he first came on the show. But I love seeing just the growth that people have.

Like, he's just a different person. Just a completely different person. It's cool to see. Because I think, like, if some of this stuff would have happened years ago, I think he would be, like, I think he'd be more pissed off and, like, less understanding. You know? off and like less understanding you know and i think that for somebody that somebody that lost a body part you know i think he's got really good perspective and and uh and like an open heart you know to to be to understand look you know people are gonna maybe people shouldn't be taking down certain monuments but they just are yeah they're just going to because like you know that that's

what happens right it's like people want they want to fight fire with fire something wrong happened it's like okay well something wrong happened to me something wrong happened to my people something wrong happened here i'm gonna make some wrong shit happen too that's the way that people think and it may i mean it makes sense and it's happened throughout our history it's always happened it's always been there yeah i think yeah what you're saying about growth you know i mean yeah even in the short time that i've known casey like, I've seen him grow a lot. You know, even just on like checking out his social media, like I've seen him like go crazy on people. He gets pissed off sometimes.

Yeah. And then now to hear him say like, you know, kind of like doing the other technique of like, I'm going to post some shit and then you delete it and you kind of feel better because you wrote it out at least. of like i'm gonna post some shit and then you delete it and you kind of feel better because you wrote it out at least but to hear that he is like maybe i shouldn't say that because it you know is he afraid of what people think fuck no but he's still being more mature thinking okay is it worth being a badass right now to get my my opinion out there or is it better to just take a step back take a breath and not post this so yeah, yeah, you're spot on with that. Yeah. I talked a lot about perspective on this episode and he had a he has a very good perspective on everything that we were talking about today.

It's especially like what he was talking about as far as like training in terms of officers. What like I know there are a lot of officers that listen in that are like, oh, you guys don't know all the things that we deal with. Like, I know there are a lot of officers that listen in that are like, oh, you guys don't know all the things that we deal with. We're not saying that being an officer is easy because I think that's like the knee jerk reaction to everything you're saying right now. It seems like one of the hardest jobs in the world. It is. It absolutely is. You don't know who is doing what. You don't know who's being honest. Somebody could just say, yeah, man, I'm just walking down the street and someone else could have just killed somebody.

You don't know. walking down the street and someone else could have just killed somebody you don't know like they could literally be just flat out lying to you or someone could be telling you the truth or someone could have bad intentions for you you just don't know they really deal with the unknown and they deal with a wide variety of things every day every single call is some type of shit show no matter how small or how big it is every single day like we know that they also worry about getting home safe but that's exactly why case Casey and other members of the military, people that have been in training, have been saying that they need more training. Yeah, and I think the Rashard Brooks thing is a great example of that. He was obviously fearful that he was, you know, like, the officer, I'm sure the officer, like, because in the video he does say something about the taser so

it's obvious that one of the officers knows that he took the taser at least one of the officers knows he took the taser but when somebody turns around and they have you know their their arm out like that i don't know if you are like oh yeah that's the taser that you just took off you know i don't know if you can think that uh at that moment. But with good training, the other officer wouldn't have allowed, you would think the other officer wouldn't have been able to allow the taser to get taken in the first place. Or maybe they just rethink where the taser sits. I don't know. I'm not a police officer. I'm not in combat like that.

So I don't really know what the solution is. not like in in combat like that so i don't really know what the solution is but i think that at the moment they can kind of start to review everything and poke some holes in everything and say hey is this a good practice i think arresting people was kind of but i think it's kind of uh it's just really hard you know i don't i don't know how i don't know how you would arrest somebody without literally just knocking them out because trying to get anyone's hands behind their back is it would be a difficult thing if they if they don't want you to but yeah if they're resisting and doing everything they can getting yeah that's me and my son talked about it i'm like jake you know how much i lift and stuff but like if you wanted to resist me you're a young kid you could resist me

you know i'm like it's it's gonna it would be very difficult it would be a thing for me to try to figure out how to you know handcuff you at that moment, you know. So maybe they should just, you know, reconsider some other options, some other things. Maybe look into doing some other stuff, you know. I like what Stick was saying on a previous episode. Like if it's a domestic dispute or whatever, send like a marriage counselor or whatever it may be. dispute or whatever, send like a marriage counselor or whatever it may be. You know, if it's this, send the person that studies that situation or that, you know,

is an expert in that field. And I'm also curious to know, because when Casey was talking about, you know, like they were training for Iraq and then they had to train for Afghanistan and they were two separate things. So, obviously, they have tons of intel coming in from both sides. So they were able to train for that. I wonder how they would obtain, or maybe they just watch footage, but like how they would obtain the same type of intel for taking that same military type training for the streets, right?

Like for a civilian, the civilian sector versus like, like you said, you can't over train for afghanistan but again like this is a different a different uh area right like you can't really approach it that way but i'd imagine a lot of it would carry over well i'm not saying it's a bad idea i think more training is well and there could even be some some systemic racism laced in with that as well. Because, hey, do this area this way, but do this area that way. Oh, absolutely. Some people might be like, hey, that sounds unfair, that we're going to be more aggressive.

We'll have even more police here. But you're like, well, maybe it just makes sense because maybe there's more crap going on there. But, again, it's hard to, you know, you police Davis this way, but you police you know uh sacramento yeah oh yeah this you know this other particular way but we've seen that that's not great either because like weird shit happens in every neighborhood you know weird crazy stuff happens in every neighborhood so i just you know i i think i think what we're seeing here one of the major problems is that there's not a unified like self of uh there's not a unified sense of purpose. There's not a unified mission.

What's the mission? What's the goal? All I know of the police force is protect and serve. I don't know anything else beyond that because I've never looked into it. I don't know much about being a police officer. But if I'm thinking about what I think that their job is, it's like to protect people, you know, from each other, from the quote unquote bad guy, from somebody doing something wrong, you know, somebody hurting somebody else or whatever it might be. And if they can just, you know, try to help ensure that people are staying safe, that's a much different mission than taking out the bad guy. In my opinion, that's different, right? We've got to get the bad guy.

But in what way do you have to get him? You just need to make sure he's contained so he doesn't hurt anybody. I mean, that's my thoughts on it. I don't know. It's not an easy thing to figure out. Yeah, it's tough. A lot of people were pointing out in the Richard Brooks situation, when the cop shot him, he yells out, I got him. And so that's like, fuck.

Well, and maybe that's a form of communication. a form of communication like uh maybe he meant it like yeah i got him like as he got away with one or maybe he meant it as a form of communication of like hey he's he's he's done he's done dude yeah he's done you know like i don't i don't i don't know yeah yeah whether people decide to you know like i think casey also had a good point. I think people should really pay attention to. There's a lot of, for example, Chauvin, right? When he had his neon Floyd's neck, there's a lot of people that are saying, racist, he's probably a racist, blah, blah, blah, right? We don't know if he was or wasn't.

And that statement in and of itself is going to make a lot of people that hear that very angry but i mean all we know is that he was a very like he was a cop that had a lot of a lot of warnings or what not warnings but um he got in trouble he got in trouble a lot right and he did something really stupid i don't know if he was racist or not i think that we need to be careful with how we're like just brandishing that word racist. You know, we don't know if the cop that shot Richard was racist. We just know that he was a really, really he just didn't handle. He didn't deal with that situation well. And a man died for it.

We don't know if he's racist or not. But I think I think right now I just see a lot of people calling certain things racist that it's it would be convenient if we could just call it racist, but it might not be. It might just be cop situations. These are just really badly trained officers that make stupid decisions because their emotions are running high, just like Casey was talking about. running high just like casey was talking about um i just don't think racism is racism is a very very very uh it's it's a it's a it's a dirty thing right and i don't think a lot of situations are actually racist there's there are other things that are that those situations are but racism might not be it yeah when it comes to like um the richard brooks case again like you know do the cops have other defenses against um him driving drunk which is which is which is the main that's the that's

the main like perpetrator here that's the main thing uh that they're trying to avoid right so uh could they take his keys you know could they uh, hey, you know, whereabouts do you live, man? Like, can we drive you to your spot? They can do all these things. But, you know, that I just don't know if they're trained to. I don't I don't know if that's a thing they talk about because you would need procedures involved for that as well, because that could that could potentially not be very safe. Say they drop him off at his house and someone gets startled, it's a cop there and something else, I don't know. But they're all things that whenever you enact one thing, you have to start to think about

other things. But it sounds logical that you could, almost like a dad or almost like a friend, you could say, hey, give me your damn keys, dude. Like you're not going anywhere, you know. But that's not what they normally do. Like, and there are, are they, is a police officer responsible to, you know, be with you for eight hours or something as you sober up or something like that? That's, I mean, some of that, you know, why don't you just sleep in the car next to them or something like that? Like, that sounds, sounds a little that, you know, why don't you just sleep in the car next to him or something like that? Like, that sounds a little overboard, you know.

But, like, what are some solutions to make sure that a situation like that doesn't go bad? You know, I think these are all things that would be good to talk about. I know in that particular situation they were waiting for an officer to get on. They were waiting for another officer to come because he was more of an expert in the breathalyzer test thingy and stuff like that. So I don't know what that was about because they were like waiting for that guy to get dispatched. You would think they would all kind of have good training.

Maybe the first officer, maybe you can make an argument that the first officer wasn't authoritative enough because he was, he seemed excellent to me. He was super calm. He was, you know, communicating well. He told the guy to get into his car probably 15, 16 times and never once raised his voice.

He just, he just said, sir, I told you to stay in the car, please. I told you to stay in the car. I told you, he was very,

very, he was very patient, but maybe that patience and maybe that uh maybe being too lenient uh maybe is something that kind of and ended up with the result that you ended up seeing you know i don't know yeah i mean imagine if you they were, that one single cop did have the proper training to subdue that one guy. But it's just, yeah, it's tough because I, you know, people want to jump to like, oh, but it's going to just give them more weapons to hurt people or whatever. But it's sort of like bullying, right? Like if you teach more kids how to fight, then they'll fight more.

It's like, well, no, actually, they'll probably fight a lot less. And then with with Richard Brooks, like it's tough because, you know, it's been a long history of stuff like this going on. And so like when we say like, oh, like, couldn't they have like given them a ride home or something? Couldn't they have, like, given them a ride home or something? You know, like, I'm sure a majority of people would say, well, I wouldn't even trust a cop to get in the back of the car with them to, quote, drop me off, right? I honestly would be scared. I would be nervous as fuck. Yeah. So, it's tough.

Not to be like, not to tell them to like, oh, be a bad cop, but they're probably instructed not to think outside the box because they have protocols. They have, you know, stuff in place to where like, you know, like what Casey was saying, this is a different situation, but we're like, you can't shoot somebody or pull your gun out unless they point your gun at you or their gun at you. they're gonna you so i would imagine there has to be stuff like that in place right now that would prevent a police officer to legally or whatever by the book think outside the box to take this man home because he's you know like he's not doing anything wrong he is asleep although if you have your keys in your car while you're drunk you could get a dui we have a lot of we have a lot of rules and and laws and stuff that are just kind of dumb. And we don't realize how dumb they are until a situation occurs. The young kid that got shot in Florida years ago, that was a situation where the guy that shot him wasn't even a police officer.

Trayvon? Trayvon Martin situation. But in Florida, it's weird. You can be deputized or some bullshit like that to be able to defend yourself in that way. Something crazy. And the guy got off. I don't think the guy got served any time at all. Yeah, he got off. I don't think the guy got served any time at all. But it's like, who knows that dumb law exists until you see it

played out. Until you see it played out in front of millions of people. And again, like with Floyd's situation, the officer, he wasn't actually really choking him. Obviously he was compromising his airway. That was very obvious. So it's like whatever laws they have in place, if you go and you actually look at the law, then sometimes, unfortunately, they're not infraction of the actual written law, which is just fucking asinine, you know? And then luckily, you know, we can still charge people with other stuff and we can, you know, still have some sort of logical thing towards it.

But I think that was the main thing with the Trayvon Martin case was that when they actually looked at some of the law, according to the court, they deemed that what the guy did was just, which is, doesn't make any sense at all. It doesn't make any logical sense at all. But somebody wrote a law to be a particular way, which I think is, you know, was, I think even the law itself was racist, you know? So it's, we have a lot of stuff that uh you know

hopefully people will sift through and hopefully people will comb over at the moment hopefully they'll comb over a lot of these things and and look into it and say what can be a better way how can we have you know how can we have better protocol how can we have a better way so that stuff like this doesn't keep happening. It was great to have Casey on the show and get some of his perspective on things. And, you know, I know that he'll get back into his training. He'll get back into his stuff and he'll be dead lifting over 600 pounds once again.

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Just letting you guys know. That Smooth Panther. Yep. Yep. One thing I liked that we got in conversation with with Casey Mitchell was when I asked him if there was ever an incident where he is to kind of demonstrate that it would be very, very rare for an emotion to lead to something positive. There are cases where it does, but there's almost always a better way. You know, so someone might say, hey, I think you're fat. And then you go on a diet and you lose weight. Does it have to be destructive that way? Does it have to go down that way? Or could you just have previous knowledge? Could you understand, yeah, you know, I'm a little fatter than I want to be. I'm going to gain

knowledge on this subject. I'm going to look some stuff up on YouTube and I'm going to error correct my problems and I'm going to, you know, fix this myself. You could easily do it that way. And normally those things have a little bit more longevity to them when you're able to think about something in a rational way. And you, again, we've talked about this before, you try to replace the feelings that you have with facts. And as crazy as some of the stuff that he talked about, finding body parts of a friend and a team member. You know, I don't know how you, you know, implement like protocol or practices into that. But they did.

They did it. They figured it out. You know, they're like, hey, look, to honor him, we have to find him. You know, and that's our job. I cannot imagine what that looks like. I cannot imagine what that would play out to look like, to search for a friend in that way. And to have seen, I've never even seen anybody die up close or anything. I haven't really seen anything too crazy in my life, thankfully. So I don't pretend that I know anything about it.

But the fact that they have to, they can't just be out there being a nervous wreck and crying the whole time. They won't find them. They found them. They were able to find them. They're able to, as crazy as it sounds, get his body parts together, ship them home, give him a proper burial, give him a respectful way to go out. He probably has a headstone somewhere that people are able to pay tribute to and pay tribute to and, and things like that. And so you, you, there's not a lot of situations in life. There's really

no situations in life where, um, it's not an advantage to figure out a way to get a hold of your emotions. So whatever way you can, you know, figure out a way to, uh, you know, reinterpret some of the thoughts that you have and reinterpret some of the emotions that kind of overcome your body. I would just urge you to give them a minute. Give them a little bit of a pause and then think about those emotions and think about why you're feeling that way. And then just understand that you can implement a change. You can implement, you can interpret that whatever way that you want. You can interpret that as being sad for yourself, being mad at yourself, being disappointed.

Or you can say, you know what, this is the situation, this is the way that it is. And I'm just going to replace some of these feelings with some facts so I can act on it the right way. Strength is never weakness. Weakness is never strength. Catch you all later. Bye.