Mark Bell's Power Project - EP. 427 - Fat To 6 Pack ft. Anthony Lolli

Episode Date: September 14, 2020

Anthony Lolli is an entrepreneur, philanthropist, real estate investor and developer. Anthony is the son of an Ecuadorian immigrant mother, and Italian American WWII veteran father and grew up in the poorer side of Brooklyn, New York. At age 19 he received his real estate license, and at 23 he became a millionaire. More recently, Anthony lost over 125lbs (305lbs t0 181lbs) and is now the executive producer for the Amazon Prime series, “Radical Body Transformations”. Subscribe to the Podcast on on Platforms! ➢ https://lnk.to/PowerProjectPodcast Support the show by visiting our sponsors! ➢Piedmontese Beef: https://www.piedmontese.com/ Use Code "POWERPROJECT" at checkout for 25% off your order plus FREE 2-Day Shipping on orders of $99 ➢Icon Meals: http://iconmeals.com/ Use Code "POWERPROJECT" for 10% off ➢Sling Shot: https://markbellslingshot.com/ Enter Discount code, "POWERPROJECT" at checkout and receive 15% off all Sling Shots Follow Mark Bell's Power Project Podcast ➢ Insta: https://www.instagram.com/markbellspowerproject ➢ https://www.facebook.com/markbellspowerproject ➢ Twitter: https://twitter.com/mbpowerproject ➢ LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/powerproject/ ➢ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/markbellspowerproject ➢TikTok: http://bit.ly/pptiktok FOLLOW Mark Bell ➢ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/marksmellybell ➢ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/MarkBellSuperTraining ➢ Twitter: https://twitter.com/marksmellybell ➢ Snapchat: marksmellybell ➢Mark Bell's Daily Workouts, Nutrition and More: https://www.markbell.com/ Follow Nsima Inyang ➢ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nsimainyang/ Podcast Produced by Andrew Zaragoza ➢ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/iamandrewz #PowerProject #Podcast #MarkBell

I know a lot of bigger people have been scared to lose weight because they're nervous about what can happen with their loose skin. Well, today's guest, Anthony Lally, answers all these questions for you as he went through the process on his road to lose 125 pounds and compete in bodybuilding. Today's guest, Anthony Lally, lost 125 pounds. And I know this is a really difficult thing for other people to dive into, to dump dive into a weight loss journey can be really, really scary. Tell us in the comments below. Let us know what are the things that are blocking you from starting your weight loss journey. All right.

I'm excited for today's guest. You know, we've talked a little bit about today's guest before on previous podcasts. We've talked about this documentary that's out. I think it's called Six Pack Lolly. Is that right? Yeah. So, from Fat Lolly to Six Pack Lolly. Oh, there we go. Yeah. And that happens to be the guy's last name that we have on the show. His name's Anthony. And in looking into him a little bit more, I didn't realize that his wife deadlifts 225 pounds.

So like once we get them on here, we're going to have to say, Hey man, like, sorry, but we need to just talk to her, see what's going on with that. Cause she just got into like lifting kind of out of nowhere more recently cause she was inspired and fired up by him. So I think it'd be cool to listen to them, you know, talk about how they are able to manage it, you know, as a couple and as a household, cause they have kids as well. So, um, I think there's a lot of great stuff to talk about. I think he lost 125 pounds.

Yeah. More than that. Yeah. Not only did he lose, you know, over a hundred pounds, he also got jacked, which is rare. Sometimes you see someone that loses a lot of weight and they, uh, they don't really hold on to any muscle mass. So he, he did a great job with it. It'd be interesting to talk to him about it today. He went to the next level now. He had like so many people that he, we'll talk about on the podcast, but he had so many people that he just flew out to do things. It's crazy.

Oh yeah. He had like a bodybuilder, a bodybuilder traveling with him all the time and from Ireland. Yeah. And then he was also, um, he tried a lot of different things. I liked that a lot. I liked that he was, he was into, um, you know, he did CrossFit, he did some bodybuilding. Um, he was just whatever he could figure out. And I also liked the fact that he got, he had to learn, you know, cause like things weren't working. He was lifting and he was, you know, doing great with the lifting and he's working out consistently and he made virtually like no progress. I mean, he just would sweat and he maybe lost like 10

pounds in like three months or maybe even a little bit less than that. And he just felt like he was going nowhere fast. And he was like, you know, I need to actually look into my nutrition. And that's when he started to study it. And that's when he started to bring people in. So it'd be interesting to talk to him to see exactly like what that guy had him doing. It looked like, you know, just your like what bodybuilders eat very very lean meats lean foods multiple times a day but um i just guess the extent that he he went in terms of getting that done it was really interesting and it was

really interesting also like he said that he wanted to pick somebody specifically that had lost a lot of weight not just somebody that has been lean and had like you know knows what to do but somebody who has gone through that exact experience i guess that experience has a uh a lot of unique things that i'm curious to talk to him about too yeah i just love that he took out all of the excuses you know mark has done that to people in the past he's done that to me where like, uh, you know, you'll, you'll say excuse and then Mark will be like, you know, no, like, here's the answer to that excuse. And then you'll give them another one and another one. And so with him, you know, and I know a lot of people are probably gonna get hung

up on the fact that he was capable of flying people in all the time but you still see people that have the means to do that and they still don't do it so the fact that he took all of those excuses all of those hurdles and just got rid of them completely i think that's huge that's one thing though it's like you know we've seen people lose weight that aren't wealthy so people gotta know that this is possible like you can drop massive amounts of weight that shouldn't even. So people got to know that this is possible. Like you can drop massive amounts of weight. That shouldn't even be a thing. Right. That's, that's, uh, that's going to be some people's go-to when they, you know, need an

excuse to not, you know, to not follow through on it. But, um, he did an amazing job and I think it's, uh, going to be interesting to talk to him about, uh, all the ups and downs of it all. And then also he filmed it all. Like he, like if you watch the documentary, you'll see that like most of it, at least the beginning of it, it's just off his phone. And that's tough to keep that up every day. He documented everything. He even documented when his wife started getting into it and he was like,

you know, this is, and he said the date every single day. And he would say, this is this, this day. was like you know this is and he said the date every single day and he would say this is this this day and you know i'm getting on stage and my wife just told me that she's pumped that i'm getting on stage and she wants to get on stage too and just you know things like that and then you see like three months later his wife has abs too and his wife's always been fit she's always been in good shape but she just like you know she just went to the gym and just trained and probably just you know just never thought of it before and she had a bad back and stuff like that she was able to just rehab that just through bodybuilding which i think is cool it's a good representation of bodybuilding yeah like all the uh the vlogs that i've done know, it's been super powerful just for even for myself to actually like list each date, you know, as I do them.

I wouldn't say the date on I don't think any of them, but I would, you know, put it come up on screen. And that's just something cool that I'm going to be able to look back on and be like, oh, shit, that's right. Like, you know, it's a time machine to that day. And it was just it was so cool just watching the documentary because seeing how he was doing it every single day and it's like like holy crap like i i know that that grind right mark you know that grind when you do the carnivore 100 like it's a pain in the ass right like it's tough so to see somebody that's a savage uh a savage businessman be able to do that you know it's like um you know a lot of people

want to be youtube stars or whatever just youtubers period and they don't know how to do it it's like dude you have an iphone like you have everything you need right now and he's just the perfect example of of that as well i know off topic a little bit but have you guys noticed how the news is now like YouTube, like how much similar it is to like, like people that roast people on YouTube. It reminds me of CNN and Fox because like people will, they'll say, oh, you know, this guy said this, but then he really said that. And then they play the clip, you know, of like Trump or they play the clip or whoever I'm like, this is so weird. I mean, this is like, this is YouTube three to four years ago. That's funny. Um, like, like I said in the past, I don't, I don't even, I don't watch the news. Like, I don't even know, uh, you know, I don't want to say, I don't know how to, obviously everybody can turn on the TV, but like I, I, yeah,

I have no idea who's for this side or that side like i just don't pay attention to it i get all my information from you guys like that's i mean i don't know how responsible that is but that's the only place that i turn for all my current events these days just because like i just i can't i kind of can't handle it right now it's completely ridiculous it's like it's funny that's i think it's kind of funny i watch it right now. It's completely ridiculous. It's like, it's funny. That's, I think it's kind of funny. I watch it and I'm just like, wow, this is, this is the way we're transferring news to each other. You know, it's weird.

I went to the bathroom real quick, but what have you guys transferred on to? Oh, we're just talking about the news. I was just saying how the news is like YouTube. Like the YouTubers have been roasting people for the last three to five years. A lot of the newscasters and a lot of the way that news is edited, it looks just like that where you're like, like, how did this come to be?

How is our, our, you know, CNN news, Fox news, or any of these news stations, how are they copying YouTube? It's been strange. There he is. All right. How's it going? It's going great. Sounds like things are going amazing for you.

Congratulations on the body transformation and the movie. Thank you. I'd love to ask you right off the bat is like, how did it turn into a movie? Cause it seemed like you were just messing around on your phone, documenting it. And then it turned into a film that's on Netflix. Well, basically, you know, I kind of wanted to hold my feet to the fire. I knew that I was going to do something with this content either on my own or, you know, I wanted to make it inspirational for the world to see.

And I wanted to speak the language of obesity. You know, I felt that it takes one to know one, you know, and I said, why not? I'm going to put this thing together and somebody's going to want to watch this thing, you know, whether it's on YouTube, but I kind of had plans to pitch it to some large networks. So I kind of knew ahead in advance. And I knew also it would hold me accountable to seeing it all the way through. You know, as an entrepreneur, as a businessman, I needed that extra antidote to say, you've got to do this. Have you recorded before and like come up short or was that the first time you tried to document it? That was the first time, you know, I had tried to lose weight nine other times and I never documented it like that. I took a couple

of videos here and there, just like everybody else. I'm in the gym and then that's it, you know, but this time I knew, but I had, you know, that fire in my belly from that incident that happened with my daughter amongst a bunch of other things that happened throughout my life. But that was that pinnacle moment where that was it. I made that decision. I was going to stick to it. That was it. There was no turning back. So I'm sure, you know, growing up where you grew up, I'm sure you had friends tell you how fat you are probably repeatedly over and over again. Yeah. You know, it just happens. You know, you walk down the street as a chubby kid and then you'll see somebody else's mom whispering in their kid's ear, pointing their finger.

You keep eating like that. You're going to look like that. You know, I mean, but even as a grown adult, as a successful businessman, my partner, Carlos and I, he would always joke around when we get on the airplane. He would tell the the the the the store to say, hey, get the seatbelt extender until the one time it wasn't a joke i was that fat you needed the seatbelt extender and it was like we looked at each other we're like oh my god this is too much you know so uh yeah he's got to play that game that you do mark where uh you see if you're fatter than the person that sat there before you oh yeah i do that with the seatbelt on the plane were you ever heavier than when you started in the documentary what was that were you ever heavier than at the point that you started yeah yeah yeah um i was 315 pounds at one point when i started the documentary was 305 so um i had a big engagement party in armenia and uh i remember that uh the tuxedo that i had done

didn't fit me so i had to rent a crazy tuxedo in armenia and when you're that fat the the they're bell bottoms basically you know it's just it's just crazy you know try to go shopping when you're when you're obese nothing fits you you, you don't want to go shopping. It's just a terrible experience. You know, I was lucky I was a businessman. So I could hide the fat with, you know, suit jackets and blazers and things like that. But, you know, if you look at some of my earlier content on Instagram, I mean, I'm in Central Park rowing a boat in 95 degree weather. And in 90 degree weather wearing a blazer. How does that make sense?

So you start seeing this too when you're looking at other obese people, you can see some of the tips and tricks that they do to hide the fat. Can you explain the incident with your daughter for those people that haven't seen your documentary? Yeah, so basically my wife, you know, we had two kids and she always kept herself in good shape. She was always health conscious, smart eating, and she wanted those habits to be translated to our children. So, you know, when we would go out to eat or even at home,

I'm the one eating burgers, french fries, pizza, mac and cheese, all the wrong foods constantly, you know, and, you know, it got to a point where I was a bad influence on the children, they want to know why they have to eat a certain way. And why does daddy get to eat a certain way. So it was we were going head to head. So at one point, I wasn't invited to eat with them, I'd have to kind of sneak away and eat my meals. And it was it was a terrible experience until one time I got fed up and I just wanted to eat with everybody. And my wife got fed up. And she looked at my daughter who wanted to eat some french fries. And she said, You know what, don't eat that you're going to get

fat. And then my daughter was like, what's fat. So she shows her a video on YouTube about obesity. And the video talks about obesity, you know, shows it. And then video talks about obesity, you know, shows, and then it says obesity kills, you know, and then my daughter looks at me and says, Daddy, you're fat, I don't want you to die. And that was it. You know, I just I said, I didn't want to be the embarrassing dad that kids make fun of, you know, make fun of, you know, go bringing your kid to school and your dad's fat and this and that, because I know how cool kids can be. And I had accomplished so much in my life. Why can't I do this?

You know what I mean? It was just something that was just bugging me. Like, why can't I get this thing under control? I can control everything else. Everything else I treat with excellence. If I'm going to go into a real estate project, I put my heart and soul and level of excellence in renovating a kitchen. Or when you're getting a car or a piece of jewelry or even furniture or clothes, you do it to perfection.

And why am I not taking care of myself? Why am I not doing that to myself? Why am I not, you know, there's pimp my ride, pimp my house. Why can't I pimp my body? You know, so that was it. That was it. You know, the kids were the motivating factor and I had to do it. I think every fat guy's question is, did you finish the French fries after? I probably did. I probably did finish the French fries. But that was the next day, you know, but I had to do it because I was always I'm going to start on the first. I'm going to start on New Year's. I'm going to start after Christmas. I'm going to start on my birthday. And so this time, when I said I'm going to start tomorrow, I meant it, I was going to do it, I was motivated. I slept on it, I thought

about because you know, you start, you know, as a ambitious person, a successful person, you have a lot of confidence, you know, that confidence continues to grow as you continue to succeed. So you know, looking good good and all those things become secondary and all the other things that look great become primary. So, uh, at that point I had to really stop fooling myself. I had to say, you know, I had to keep it real with myself and, and, uh, say, you know, I can't just, if I'm not going to do it for me, if I don't love myself enough, then I got to do it for my kids. Why do you think, um, cause you said it, that you had everything else

in check, right? Like you were successful in all aspects of life, you know, business, family, everything. Why do you think so many people that are so focused on their career and, you know, being an entrepreneur, why do you think that's the one thing that they always fall, usually will fall off on? You know, they have everything else going well, but then their weight or their health is just kind of like the last thing that they even prioritize. I think that most people like to play the genetics game, like I was playing, you know, if the doctor says you're okay, and your health markers are okay, then you're okay, you know, and so I was then you're okay, you know. And so I was one of those guys, you know, I would go to the doctor.

But, you know, and a lot of obese people, it's a different level to when you start getting ailments. For me, when I touched 300 pounds, that's when I was getting sleep apnea. That's when I was getting issues. That's when I was getting pains in the chest. Weird things were happening to me. So I would go on these crazy crash diets to stay under 300 pounds, you know, and then my body started conditioning to not have those problems at 305 pounds at three. So slowly, your body starts

adapting to the fatness. And you start being able to because I was fat let it you know, I was boxing and doing certain things, I would go on these two week sprints of exercise, and then I would stop, you know. And so, you know, it just slowly, slowly starts creeping up. It's kind of like, what do they call that atrophy or time under tension or whatever, you know, you, you progressive overload, right? You could be fat progressive overload, you know, you can start your body can start adjusting to that weight. So So I was starting to get some of those problems where I remember, I had to get a sleep apnea test where you sleep in some sort of a hospital with a bunch of tubes all over your nose, and somebody's monitoring your sleep. And,

and then it started talking about the oxygen not coming in your body and how it affects your brain and all these other things. And I was like, wait a minute, one of my biggest assets, my brain. And it's like, okay, now we got some real problems here. I really want to know, man, because like Andrew mentioned, when you see yourself in the documentary, you like you are a real estate, like mogul, like you, you sold off a massive business. I don't know how many years ago you, it's crazy what you're able to do within that realm. And then what you did within the fitness realm is also crazy. Cause you did that in nine months, 125 pounds in nine months. So I want to know, like in the documentary, you said that you had

a lot of love growing up, right? Which is huge. Mark talks about that all the time, how he had great parents. And that makes a big difference for people. But when you were growing up and you were doing everything you were doing, what was that like for you? Because I feel like that was probably a big factor in terms of you being able to attack everything the way you have, especially starting real estate at 18, 19 years old? Yes, it was a big factor. You know, they were driving elements. You know, my mom telling me stories about her living in an abandoned building, working in sweatshops as an immigrant from Ecuador, you know, so I knew where she was coming from. My dad, you know, being a

World War Two veteran, being a school teacher, he retired early on a $200 a month pension, which was pennies. He had to moonlight hustling doing photo with the parrot. He'd have a blue and gold macaw on his shoulder and take Polaroid pictures of tourists and charge them five bucks. I saw that they were hustling, but I also knew uh there was so much love and caring that they would give me you know and uh there was this one incident when i was six years old we would go to saks fifth avenue my mother and i would take the bus and i remember we would go inside saks fifth avenue she would try on mink clothes and make coats and dresses and look in the mirror and then put the clothes back on the rack and we would leave because she couldn't afford to buy anything. And one of those moments, I saw a waterproof watch

that I had saw on a Saturday morning cartoon and it was $12. I kept begging her to buy it. She looked at me with tears in her eyes and said, we can't afford it. At that moment, I knew that we were poor. We didn't have the money. And I learned a differentiator between love and money and success and wealth. You know, I just knew that I had a lot of love. And so my dad was pretty smart, you know, having us live in nice neighborhoods using, you know, New York City's rent control law. So we were paying like $200 a month rent, living in really nice neighborhoods. And all my friends were like rich friends and brownstones and wealthy people. So I was going over to their house. So I didn't really know that

notice the difference until that moment. And so I promised my mom, I said, one day, we're going to be so rich, I'm going to buy you a white limousine and a white mansion with the chauffeur, you can go shopping and do whatever you want. And that was really the fire in my belly to become an entrepreneur, to really just change my family tree. And how did you, I don't want to say like, how did you learn how to make money? But like, yeah, I mean, your parents were hustling. So we understand where the drive came from and where the hustle came from. But as far as going from, you know, a kid wanting to, or like, oh, shit, we're poor.

I need to learn how to make money to becoming a mogul, like Nsema said. I knew, you know, there were different things that were happening as I became older. You know, I had, you know, more expensive taste. You know, growing up in Brooklyn, New York, you know, you listen to hip hop and rap music, they're talking about cars and nice clothes and, and fancy homes. And so I grew up in that era. And those are the things that I wanted. So I knew that I had to hustle and actually earn it. And I was going to a community college. And I knew that that wasn't the answer. So a buddy of mine got his real estate license, his dad,

who was pretty lazy, laziest guy I know. He was a stay-at-home dad, but my friend was 18 years old. So he basically was not working for years, got his real estate license, started making money. I said, man, if that guy can do it, I can do it. So I took a real estate crash course and the instructor was there teaching people and he was, you know, raving about how much money you can make in real estate. And he was saying, you can do this, you can do that, you can do this in real estate. So I raised my hand, because I always like to question authority. And I said, excuse me, if that's the case, then why aren't you doing it? And then he said, I'm going to talk to you after class after class came. And he said, you know what, I actually own this

real estate school. And I did the math, you know, the guy was making $1.5 million a year doing the real estate licensing course. So after that, I said, No problem, sir, I'm going to pay attention. And I devised my plan right there. I said, I'm going to get my real estate license, I'm going to learn everything about real estate, I said, I'll be damned if I I have access to all of these people, you know, and landlords and multi-unit property owners and not pick their brains. You know, I looked at it as valuable access. There's only three types of people that have access to real estate, cat burglars, maids, and a real estate agent, you know? So I chose to be a real estate agent. And so with that kind of access, I was bringing something to the table.

You know, I was trading. I was either going to sell their real estate or help them lease their real estate. I was providing a service. And let me tell you, a lot of entrepreneurs love a young, up and coming, up and coming, real hardworking entrepreneur. They see themselves in that, you know. And so, um, they were very helpful. They were telling me how to do this, how to do that. So I had like 20 mentors, you know, and I knew the right questions to ask. And I also looked at their lifestyle. I saw guys owning three, four properties rolling up in the BMW, you know, and, and then just hanging out in the Hamptons, you know, just coming to collect their rent. So I saw that and I would ask questions and I would put in the work. Can you explain to us how you did the same thing in fitness? Because from the documentary,

I saw that you flew someone out from Ireland to work with you and you had a lot of trainers. And unfortunately, one guy passed. I think he died in a car accident or something like that. So can you kind of speak upon that journey of kind of, I guess, collecting these gurus and mentors when it came to fitness? Well, I thought, you know, I said I need to use the same principles. I looked at it, you know, practically. I said there's no guarantees, even in business. There's no guarantees in life, you know, even in relationships, families, whatever. But in fitness, it's like a guarantee. It's 100% in your control. You know, 100% even if you start a gym, it's in the control. If you God forbid you take a vacation, who knows what the workers are going to do when you're not there,

right? But when when it's you against you against you, what you put in your body, what you eat, the workouts you do the sleep you get. So finally, there's something that's on my shoulders that I can take 100% accountability for. So this was the first time I actually found a situation where it was all me. And I said, Anthony, you know who you are and what you're capable of doing. Then since it's nobody else but you, then do it, you know, because nobody can do the workouts for you. Nobody can eat for you. You know, people can just give you instructions, but you still have to do it. And it takes an exorbitant amount of energy

to also keep the people around you motivated and supporting you. It's not just them, because a lot of times they'll lose steam too. You have plenty of clients that try and fail. You could just be another one of them, especially obese clients. So it took a lot. It took a lot of energy. It took me going the extra mile. It took me having to prove myself to them and then prove themselves to me. And this was something that I probably could have done on my own, but I could wash my own car.

I could do my own laundry. I could do my own laundry. I could do my own taxes. I just happened to have the resources to say, you know what? Time is money. I'm going to just focus on potentially getting involved in the fitness industry, documenting this and helping a whole bunch of people along the way. So let me just take all the learning curve out of it, get myself educated by getting the right people around me and just immerse myself in this world. And one of the things that I learned was, you know, all of these mind viruses, I was telling myself, oh, they were born that way. Oh, it's genetics. Oh, it's this. Oh, it's that. And then I changed my circle.

You know, you're the average of the five people you talk to. I changed my circle. You know, you're the average of the five people you talk to. So I completely changed my circle to just fitness people, athletes, strong-minded, physical fitness people. And I noticed one thing. They were all eating right. You know, I go to the gym. They're at the gym. You know, as an obese person, you're like, oh, they don't even have to work out.

I see this person working out very hard every morning, dedicated. They're watching what they eat. Then I would go out to eat with them and I would see what they would eat. And if they would eat a little bit off, guess what? They talked about it during the whole dinner time. Oh man, I got to do this tomorrow. I got to put in this work tomorrow. I got to do this. So it was like, I was like, holy shit, this is, this is the way it is. You know, this is, you actually have to work and then i just thought about it how people used to uh film me or hang out with me and do what's a day in the life of a millionaire like they come in the rolls royce and i would take them around and every single time

they would say oh my god you work so hard i'm like yeah what do you think it takes to to be successful so it's the same principles these guys guys and girls, they work really, really hard to get fit and stay fit. Can you talk to us a little bit more about that changing the circle bit? Because I don't know how many people you had in your circle or your inner circle of people that you knew. But that's one tough thing for a lot of people. It's amazing that you had a wife that was health conscious because that's already your family. She wants to say hi. Oh, dope. Okay.

I heard you did a 225 pound deadlift. That's amazing. We're pushing hard. She's got beginner gains, you know, she's on her seventh month. She's doing amazing i'm very proud of her when i heard that she did 225 how else you should do right when i heard that she deadlifted 225 i said we got to cancel having anthony on the show and we have to have her on i mean his training math i think it's it's mostly his training method he doesn't really um he doesn't go easy on me.

He doesn't go hard to like break my body either. And the fact that I trust him, you know, I think it's a good combination. And the meal plans obviously, you know, feed the muscle the right way and the beginner gains at the same time. So it's all like, yeah. How's the back doing now? My back? Yeah. My back is, I keep telling my sisters, they're experiencing some back pains.

And I used to be the worst with my back pains after my second child. And now, I mean, I'm on my feet all day after even a hard session. I don't even get to lay down. I'm good for the day because I have built those nice back muscles. It's like we always compare this stuff to construction. It's like putting concrete walls next to your tiny little delicate spine, and you're good. The spine is, you know, leaning on those things.

Yeah, she just did a plank, a one-minute plank with two 45-pound plates, 90 pounds on her back. And then she did 10 seconds with three 45 pound plates on her back. That was yesterday. Have we posted yet? No, we didn't post it yet. We're just having fun with it. But yeah, so it's pretty cool, you know? But yeah, so how'd you guys, how'd you guys support him in the journey to, to, to get like, to get him started, you know, took a lot of time,

inspiration, but he also, you know, exited his business. So it was like the perfect timing with we had the family, he had no business. So it was like perfect timing, all the stars have were aligned. And I just want to say it was a joyous process to be behind the scenes supporting him because he's the type of guy that once he starts rolling, he's like a snowball. He only gets bigger and faster and bigger and faster until he hits that ground in the best way. So really great to have also a support team of his mom and my mom.

We were a crew. We were a gang. We ganged up to beat obesity together, but he, honestly, he kept pushing us to to push him. It was like, help me help you kind of situation. So whoever, you know, is trying to go on this journey first, get your support team, talk to them, have a pre-shift. Right. When I used to work before, there was a pre-shift meeting every every day. Right. Before you go to work. So I feel like this is also a job, a work.

Yeah. You got to condition your family. That's one thing that I say, you know, even when you get involved in a business venture, it's kind of like somebody saying I'm going to be a boxer. And then you come home because you're an amateur and you suck. You come home with bruises. And on top of that, you're not getting paid to get beat up. So your family obviously is going to tell you quit. What are you doing this for? Get a nine to five job, like wake up, you suck. So you need to tell your family, hey, I'm going to be a boxer, I'm gonna have a lot of bruises, I'm going to feel down and out. But this is a part of the process. So the same thing happens in trying to get fit, you're going to be moody, you're going to probably lose a shift at work and do all these type of things. And you might,

probably lose a shift at work and do all these types of things. And you might, you know, change your environment. So, uh, and to ask you, you asked me a question about my environment. What was the question of my association? Your friends, because like a lot of people, you know, a lot of people struggle with, um, you know, the friends around them, these are the people they may have known for a long time, but they also have unhealthy habits. So when you start making a change, they're like, ah, that's kind of funny. You don't really need to be doing all that. Come back over here. And it's, it's difficult. So the fact that you were just able to do that so quickly,

I don't know if it was quickly, it just kind of, um, it's, I just want to know more about how you did that. Um, it's very simple. You know, you, if you want to be a rap artist, you shouldn't hang out at a country music station. You know, it's just, it's the same thing. You know, you if you want to be a rap artist, you shouldn't hang out at a country music station. You know, it's just the same thing. You know, I didn't want to hang around people that were not going to be fitness minded. We're not going to be about it. And we're just going to just tell me negative things or we're going to be lazy. And it was just I would I never would ask them for fitness advice anyway. So why would I even have them around? You know, a lot of people are afraid to change their association because they don't really bring anything new to the table to new association. So I knew that it's a relationships are give and take. So I knew that I whoever I met, I was going to instill a lot of business knowledge and make them successful in business. And what I noticed a lot

about the fitness industry is that you have people that have incredible physiques, incredible drive, incredible desire, but they don't have that business acumen, how to take it and monetize it and go to the next level. So I felt that I would bring those things to the table. And it was a great trade, you know, it was a give and take relationship. You made some really drastic changes, not just to your body, but even to your household. You sold off some furniture, I believe, a pool table. What other changes did you make in the household? I imagine you guys probably set stuff up. So meal prep was a little easier and things of that nature. We had to do that, especially during the pandemic. pandemic you know the gyms were closing i said this thing's going to be over with it's going to

i said i'm not going to be one of these people that's just going to sit back and wait i'm going to keep progress growing you know so one of the things i was lucky about i was able to do a real proper bulk during the pandemic where i went whereas i was supposed to compete five other times this year but because of covid uh I wasn't able to do that. So I was actually able to put on some size and some muscle, which was very difficult to do when you're losing 125 pounds and trying to compete. So finally, I was able to build some legs and build a better back and different body parts that was my dream to do. So I always look at the positive things. So I sold my pool table. So did a bunch of stuff

in the basement. We turned the kids playroom since they saw us in the gym, we turned their playroom into a gym. So now they're doing gymnastics and all sorts of stuff. So we bought a big one of these big freezers, not only for the pandemic and everything else, when we everybody was afraid that, you know, the supermarkets were going to close and we're going to run out of meat so we went all out and got these crazy refrigerators so now they just hold all of our meal prep meals you know i think i heard that your wife was uh prepping meals for a few weeks in advance i haven't really heard anyone do that i mean that yeah that's got to be a tremendous amount of cooking oh it's a lot of cooking. She would cook for like four or five hours. And just she found these really good Ziploc bags that are made of some material that doesn't rot and doesn't ruin the actual food and keeps it nice and sanitary,

you know, so she's really big into those type of things. And, you know, she's a busy mom. She's got our daughter, you you know she's an actress so she's done like 40 jobs she's had to file a tax return so you know if if anybody knows you have to go to auditions and do all sorts of stuff so that alone is a bit a busy thing so uh so she had to kind of do this meal prep stuff you know on her own you know i'm really curious about this because in the documentary when you were initially working out and dropping weight um you know i'm really curious about this because in the documentary when you were initially working out and dropping weight um you know you had that segment where like you were drinking shakes after each workout and you said that you kind of hit a wall so it's really interesting that you were

working out so hard maybe you lost 10 or 15 pounds but yeah i want you to kind of see like i want you to explain um what was your nutrition looking like then and then what was the change in terms of nutrition and potentially other habits that had you dropping down the rest of the way um you know as as an obese person you try everything the you know atkins the watermelon diet this diet that diet you know beach body you think you you name it I've tried it all so then you start you know seeing what works what doesn't work I was having egg whites but I was having it with a egg white whole wheat wrap from the deli you know and and and as the workouts got more intense I was running out of gas you know and

I could see it. And so yeah, I dropped 20 pounds, but I had dropped 20 pounds before I've done this. I was a one trick pony, I knew how to lose 10 to 20 pounds really quickly. You know, I didn't understand how or what the food science was behind it. I just knew that if I worked out really hard and ran on the treadmill, did some exercises, the weight would come off and, and maybe not eat the mac and cheese and pasta as much, you know, so I was just doing egg white wraps, maybe have two or three of them a day, it was really not a healthy diet, you know, and it wasn't until I found the right nutritionist. And it was coincidental, you know, I was seeing so many

people online, that, you know, I wanted to find somebody that was obese, that understood what it's like to be me. And this guy was young. He was ambitious. He happened to just live in Ireland, you know, but it doesn't matter because social media connects you. And so we became friends. We were communicating. I dived into his story and I noticed he had a tattoo on his forearm that said millionaire. And I said, Are you a millionaire yet? He said, No, man, that's my dream. That's why I put it on my arm. I said, Tell you what, come down here. You teach me about food. You teach me about nutrition. I'm going to teach you how to become a millionaire. I'm going to put you in a great position. Is you're going to change my life. I'm going to change your life. a great position. Is you going to change my life? I'm going to change your life. And so he took me up on that offer. You know, I flew him down here. Um, and then he came with me on the family

vacations and then actually got the rhythm. He actually flew back home, uh, because it wasn't necessary. I knew what I needed to do. I knew how to meal prep. He taught me everything. What they say, teach a man how to fish. He can fish for the rest of his life, you know? So, so then eventually I had to go back home to his family and stuff. And then he flew back down because I wanted him by my side for the competition. And I was kind of like slipping up. I was having quest bars here and there. And so I just wanted the team. And I also knew that we were going to film some good content leading up to

the show. So I flew him back down here. But, but, you know, once you get in the full swing of things, once you get a nutritionist involved, if you really put forth the effort to learn and, and, and, and apply everything, you can work remotely with the nutritionist. You don't need to have them living with you, cooking your meals or anything like that. That was just coincidental. You know, he's here all day. He might as well cook, you know? So, um, that was it. I like the fact that, that you, uh, ended up losing, you know, such a tremendous amount of weight and then keeping the muscle on and even building muscle. And I think maybe that was some of the mistakes in the past. I think, um, just about anybody can develop the discipline to eat a little bit less for a short period of time and get some exercise.

And it seems like you love exercise. It seems like you just happen to enjoy it a lot. And so I think a lot of bigger people do that, and they get pumped up, and they go to the gym. But then it just gets to run you down. And then each time, I think what happens to a lot of people is you lose a little bit more muscle. And so it's just that much easier to gain back the fat. And you kind of, unfortunately, anytime you stop some of that exercise, it seems like you just end up getting fatter and fatter. It gets easier to be fatter.

It's terrible. The last thing I wanted to do was be skinny fat. That was the issue there. You know what I mean? I said, no way. And I knew that. That was the issue there. You know what I mean? I said, no way I'm going to. And I knew that. And then, you know, just living with a nutritionist and learning that you don't need to run 10 miles, you're going to burn so much muscle. It's unnecessary to do those kind of long runs.

What do you want? You know, you want to look like that. I mean, I know marathon runners that could run long distances that are skinny fat. You have fat while they're running. It's just that's not the look I was going for. So I went straight, what is the look that I want? You don't go to a Chinese restaurant and order pizza. I want to look like that, right? Who is that that person is posing on stage in a bodybuilding contest. So why am I going to do something else that that person is not doing? That person has a nutritionist, he has a trainer, and he's, you know, focused and doing bodybuilding exercises. That's why they look like that. And even at CrossFit, when I would go to CrossFit, I would look at some of the guys

with incredible bodies and they would tell me that they would do CrossFit, but they would also do bodybuilding. And that was the key component that I was listening to. They would do bodybuilding, they would do body. So it wasn't the jumping jacks and the burpees and all that. That's great. Those are good hit things. But a lot of them were doing bodybuilding. And that was it. That was burned in my in my brain. I said, I got to build muscle. And you know what, thank God, even now, I struggled to put to bulk up 35 pounds. It was a struggle for me to gain weight. At this point, I completely changed my metabolism. And I went on a cutting diet. And I lost like nine pounds in one week. And, and I'm talking to Mike, you know, this, my daughter loves she's happy. So, so Mike is like, the reason why is, you know, you got

incredible legs. Now you built a good pair of legs that are eating, you know, muscle eats most of the food. So that's what happened. So my my legs are eating all the food now. So that's pretty cool. I love that the muscle. And then your wife, she gained weight, but basically utilizing the same foods, right? Just eating more more of them, right? Yes.

Yes. Same thing. You know, she's struggling to gain the weight it's all going to the muscle she's getting stronger by the day um more agile feeling better things are popping out i mean she has a six-pack at 127 pounds when she started she was 115 pounds with no six-pack i mean who does that who puts on weight and has muscles bulging out of their stomach? What would you tell people that maybe might think the like chasing a physique or wanting more muscles? They might think it's like, oh, that's that's kind of shallow. But like when you actually made your transformation, like how much happier were you like just overall?

Like, I mean, you're obviously healthier, but like what other things change for you once you started just overall like i mean you're obviously healthier but like what other things changed for you once you started attaining the the body that you wanted how you do one thing is how you do everything that's the real truth you know what i mean if you're lazy at one thing you're sloppy at one thing you're sloppy at every i don't care i just met so many people i've done business with so many people. Those are the telltale signs. So if you cannot conquer this one thing, then you're not going to be able to conquer things in business, in your personal life. So this prove it to yourself. This again, like I said earlier to Mark, this is something that is 100 percent in your control. Why do people watch sports? People watch,

you know, guys like LeBron and Michael Jordan because of the standard of excellence, what they can do with the human body, what they do, you know, regardless if they have trainers and and also they're getting paid millions of dollars, they're still doing it, you know, to the highest level. And so why can't you exude excellence in your body? There's nothing wrong with that. This same person would have no shame driving an Audi or a BMW. Why? Because it shows their excellence in whatever they were able to accomplish financially.

That's not showing off. But having a nice body, oh, that's gaudy. That makes no sense to me. What I'm really curious about, man, because you mentioned you were bulking during the pandemic. Did you mentally struggle at all with the idea of like losing a little bit of that definition that you that like that six pack that you built putting on muscle? Did you struggle with trying with losing that? Because I can assume that, you know, after making such a massive transformation and looking amazing, the fact that now you have to gain is a little bit troublesome. For five seconds, I was concerned. But then, you know, I had I had my coach and he's like, listen, this is a part of the game.

And then I immersed myself in watching what I did the last time. Just go on Instagram, you know, watching positive motivational videos. Look at how the big guys do it, see what they're doing, you know, watch shows like your show, where you guys talk about this type of stuff all the time, what it takes to put on muscle, you got to feed the plant for it to grow, you got to water the plant for it to grow. Do I really want this? So I had I kept my six pack up until I was like 205 pounds. So it was amazing to know that I had my six pack all the way up until that point. So it was no problem, you know, for me to do it. And I documented that entire journey. And I'm documenting the journey from so I really wanted to prove to myself and prove to the world

that I did beat obesity, you know, because it's not a one time thing. You see a lot of people lose weight, you know, maybe do a show. And then all of a sudden you look back a couple of years later, they put the weight back on. It happens to the best, even regular people that were never obese. They just get down to a fit level and then they just it all goes to crap. After the show, they start eating like a maniac and they never look the same. So I saw all of those mistakes and I said, no way I want to I want to represent excellence in the fitness industry. There's so many people representing failing, failing, failing. It's okay to fail. It's okay to look like this. It's okay. But there is a world of people that actually continue to maintain

looking good for a long time and don't fail that much. They don't look at those things as failures. They actually grow from it. I think you did a great job representing bodybuilding. That's what I was really pumped about because, you know, you've seen like Arnold, you know, in Pumping Iron and you don't really see, you haven't seen a lot of bodybuilding in movies. My brother's movie, Bigger, Stronger, Faster. You see some of it in that film. But I thought you did a great job representing bodybuilding and especially what you're talking about now, because with bodybuilding, it's never over. You know, there's like, there's a quote unquote off season, but if you talk to the best bodybuilders in the world, they fucking hate the off season because they have to eat so much. And so even though you might get a little thicker,

you might get a little heavier. You're not going to be like necessarily sad about it because it's part of the plan. You're like, okay, this is what I need. A surplus of calories. I have to try to gain some weight in order to put some muscle mass on. You got to look at it from my eyes though. Anything other than what I looked like before is great, you know, but I didn't want to rest on my laurels. I want, I want to go for the gusto. I want to continue. It's like buying a house, right? The renovations are never over. You're always working on the attic, you're working on the basement, you're working on the home gym in the garage, you're always working on it. So

now I'm tinkering with my body, you know, I'm working on it, it's going to be a forever project. And it's so much fun. You know, you're working on your biceps, you're working on your chest, you're working on your legs, you know, people do that with other things, you know, you're working on your biceps, you're working on your chest, you're working on your legs. You know, people do that with other things. You know, they're working on their car. Why can't I work on my body? You know, I love it. And I felt that I wanted to bring a fresh perspective to bodybuilding. You know, as an outsider, I wanted to bring a fresh perspective.

You know, if you look at some of the latest music artists, like let's say rappers and stuff, you ask them about who these old school guys are, they've never heard the music. That's why their sound is a little different. They're not tainted with some of the old stuff. So I wanted to bring a fresh perspective to the industry and give people from the outside a look behind the curtain that there's regular people that actually do transformations.

You don't have to be obese. There's people that are regular people that all of a sudden compete on stage. That's a real big transformation. It's not that difficult, and it's not unattainable, and it's not bad. There's a whole lifestyle, a whole fitness culture that's amazing. You know, people respect people. Even an obese person that's going to the gym consistently. What I noticed is after I was going to the gym consistently, I started getting nods, high fives, thumbs up.

People were coming up to me. What they don't respect is quitters, somebody going and then not coming back or, you know, not asking for help or not wanting to learn or just, you know, being sloppy about eating. But they respect somebody that's really on a journey can you tell us a little bit about like your direct process when you were dropping as far as maybe um exercise was concerned because when i was watching i was seeing you mention that you're doing two days and then you were doing three days and i'll like my head i was just like how the hell is this man going back to the gym the next day i'm doing three workouts a day it's just like how how the hell is this man going back to the gym? The next day I'm doing three workouts a day. It's just like, how are you recovering? Especially

when like you weren't a super, super fit guy before, you know? So what, what did that look like for you on a day to day? How did you feel? How did you manage it? Well, it was great because I just wanted to do the hard part first. So I tried the CrossFit. And then I would go from CrossFit, I would go into a HIIT session a couple hours later, you know, you come home, you rest, you eat, you recover, and then you go into a HIIT session. And then at night, I would do a bodybuilding session. The thing that wiped me out the most was Saturday mixed martial arts. I did that for a couple weeks. And that killed me. I could not recover from that.

That was the only thing that I was unable to recover from was basically getting into a fight every Saturday. I don't know. That was one of the toughest things I had to do was the MMA stuff. So I cut that out of the program right away. But one of the things that I liked about doing three-a-days was that if I went down to a two-a-day or a day, I still got in a workout. So there were times that I didn't, I couldn't do a three a day because of whatever family or business circumstances,

but it was definitely a two or a one. So, you know, when you, when you set the benchmark that high, you'll always do at least the same, because I want to do above average. So there were times that I was doing average. And then did you notice like a drop off in business when you were doing some of these three days? And is that why maybe something? Yeah, 100%. I lost probably millions of dollars in opportunities. But I had to really stay focused. There were so many deals that came to my table, real estate projects, all sorts of stuff. I had to really stay focused. There were so many deals that came to my table, real estate projects, all sorts of stuff. I had to say no because the temptation to jump on those opportunities would have taken me away from this. I would maybe say maybe just in the short term, though. Would you agree with that?

What was that? Maybe you only lost that money in the short term. Oh, yeah. Because you'll get it back. I mean, right? You'll get it back. You can always get it back. i've been there and done that uh the this was bigger than money for me this was bigger than money this was me my life you know i was 41 years old and i wanted to live the rest of my life as the person i always knew i was inside you know i was tired of watching

i grew up in the era of john claude van damme stallone schwarzenegger looking at those guys i was always the kid looking at wwf back when it was wwf back then you know now it's wwe looking at the wrestlers and and admiring their physiques and you know why can't that be me why can't it why why not you know yeah you you mentioned uh bringing a uh a like entrepreneurship mindset to fitness and you know being just like a breath of fresh air into it um it seemed like when you guys were filming or when you started filming the documentary with uh your business partner carlos um you guys were doing cardio and he he kind of mentioned something very brief it was super super small but he was like we're gonna film it and we're going to turn it into something essentially.

Yes. For me, I'm trying to market this podcast as best I can, as much as possible without going over the line of like sale, sale, sale, which the sale for me is like a download, right? And then at the end of the documentary, you kind of mentioned, hey, something's coming, like be on the lookout, we're going to make things easier for you. So it wasn't like this whole thing was a gigantic commercial, but was there like, like how much strategy went into making all of this with the thought of like, hey, we might be able to do something afterwards and how did you make it to where it wasn't gross because like it wasn't cheesy it wasn't like here's this thing but

actually the agenda is over here you guys just genuinely made a really good documentary but you're still able to turn it into something bigger so how are you guys able to do all that i think you i think it was just telling the organic story of what it really was that's why i was honest you know i was honest about who i was i think that uh i mean i get like three to five hundred messages a day from people watching the documentary it's ranking really high on amazon um i got a phone call from a couple hollywood producers they want to do a biopic, we're in talks for that kind of stuff. It's it's amazing. But it was more like, here's who I am. I'm a business guy. This is my story. And guess what? Luckily, I'm a business guy, because I'm

going to make this affordable for you. You know, Elon Musk is making flight to outer space affordable. How because he was the founder of PayPal and all these other businesses, Tesla, and he's able to do that. So, you know, I just want to let people know, hey, I'm going to take my business acumen. I'm going to do this for myself. I'm going to learn a system and make it affordable for you. Steve Jobs spent on the iPhone, but we don't pay millions of dollars for it, you know, although it feels like it, right? It's like 1000 bucks for the new. But But in either case, you know, I just kind of said, this is the truth. This is what it is. And if you're ready for it, I'm living proof that it's done. You know, I wanted to set a goal of being one of the fastest and most incredible transformations out there. And, you know know most people do something uh just to do it i wanted to do it and help other people and at the same time create a business because i knew if i created a business out of it it would also keep me in shape which is something i'm very passionate

about as an entrepreneur i wanted to represent the brand so uh that's why it was kind of all a culmination of all the coming together so it was kind of like organic and you'd be surprised if you're honest with people because you saw it right you saw that you saw that how it's almost like very elegantly put together and it explains what the what's going on and here's the opportunity for you man that skin surgery like i i love the movie i love the whole thing and then i you know we get get to that part i i really i so badly wanted to fast forward it but i knew that i needed to watch it because i just thought it was so cool that you were documenting it all and it was just yeah for me it was just absolutely disgusting to try to try to watch especially because the

amount that you documented you documented you, the drainage of, of, uh, fluid and just, it just seemed absolutely, uh, brutal. And it seemed like maybe, um, they did tell you like, Oh, it's going to take a while to recover from, but like, what was it? What was it really like? I mean, it seemed like it's really, really, it was hard, man. The pain, you know, I, first of all, I wasn't going to stop at the loose skin stage, you know, and a lot of people don't lose weight. You'd be surprised. This is a topic where you talk to obese people. The first thing on their mind is what about the loose skin? They'd rather stay fat than have that loose skin. That's how crazy it is. Especially if you're really obese, they've done the research, they see what happens. So, you know, I attack it. You know,

I even have a loose skin guide on our website. I talk about loose skin and what happens and all that kind of stuff. But to answer your question, it was the most painful thing. You know, it was the most painful thing I've ever gone through in my life. But you know what prepared me mentally for it was my wife did two natural childbirths. The last one for our son, she did a water birth, right? No medication, no nothing. It was like a bathtub type of birth. And so what happened with the bathtub is I've never seen anybody go through so much pain in my life. I said, man, if she can go through that and she's not under anesthesia, I got to do this thing. This is like, you know, this is a cakewalk, you know, but the recovery, holy smokes, like my balls were like this big. Literally, it was just like, they don't tell you that. I was like,

what the hell? My wife was like, what's going on here? Let's rush you to the hospital. what the hell? My wife was like, what's going on here? Let's rush you to the hospital. So they purposely don't tell you about these type of things. And then after the fact, they're like, yeah, that's going to happen. The blood and the fluids don't know where they're going to go. And it's just, it's intense. The pain is so intense. You can't sleep on your back. You can't sleep on yourself. You have to wake up every hour and a half. I said something really briefly in the documentary. I said, I got a second shot at the apple. One of the things the doctor said is do not go on any, literally go back to eating like you were 315 pounds. They said, you are going to burn 35 to 4,000 calories a day just from recovery. They said, imagine you're running a New York City marathon every day.

That's what your body is going through. So you need to feed it every hour on the hour. So I had to wake up every hour and eat, eat, eat, eat, eat pasta, burgers, McDonald's, Wendy's, like the most calorie dense foods you could, I was consuming. Plus, I needed to keep walking and keep my blood flowing so um and then they give you painkillers and stuff like that and uh and it's just the worst you know like i've never experienced i got a buddy of mine who's hooked on these oxycodones and i'm like i don't see the great thing about this thing because you're there falling asleep i said no thanks i tried that for like three days i said i'll just take the pain wait so you you stopped taking your pain medication yeah yeah because what's so fun about being on the phone like you know like falling asleep like it was just i want to be alert i want to be awake i want to you know be there present and plus you're walking and you have to walk so

it was just and what was interesting mike at that time was staying with me he was draining out the blood bulbs you have to drain them out because you're spooing so much blood you have to keep drinking water drinking liquids and feeding yourself the the bulbs need to be drained so every hour he would wake up and we would drain the the four bulbs you know drain them out. And then I'd try to lay down and get an hour sleep waking up. You know, it reminded me of this movie called Lockup with Sylvester Stallone, where he's in the prison room and they wake him up every hour. Name and number. Name and number.

I love that movie. Man, what a brutal process to go through. Yeah. Yeah. And then try working out. You know, like, remember, the drains, they have these tubes that are going up your abs and your back and your rear. So, you know, it's just when they pull it out, they don't take them all out at once. It's like one comes out, they see how you're doing. And then a couple weeks later once it's like one comes out they see how you're

doing and then a couple weeks later the other one comes out and they see how you're doing so you know i was training with like two bulbs left in me hiding them underneath my jogging pants and that was just painful it was very hard very hard so that was the so i had my daughter watch the documentary with me and she loved it except for that part that was the so i had my daughter watch the documentary with me and she loved it except for that part that was the only part where she like she just she couldn't take it but um i mean what do you tell somebody that's interested in the surgery then you did this to yourself you have to undo it to yourself i tell them listen pregnant women get tummy tucks. They're nine months pregnant. They get loose skin on their stomach. They get the tummy tucks. Just do it. You know,

like you, if you want to look incredible, you're going to have to pay the piper. And you know what? Guess what? It's, it's really not that expensive because your insurance can cover it. If you have the right doctor and the skin can, you know, can cause problems because it can get fungus and all sorts of stuff. If it's excessive, it can actually be written off under your insurance carrier. So there's no excuse. Nobody says you have to be a bodybuilder right after the surgery, but you can actually get this done. A lot of people get it done. If you look at the hashtag, which I hashtag in a lot of my posts, it's WLS.

It's two different, it stands for two different things. With loose skin and weight loss surgery, there's a community of millions of people that get weight loss surgery or they have loose skin after weight loss surgery and they do it, they combat it with the loose skin surgery. So it's very common. You know, it's another thing that I wanted to show the world that this is not unheard of. You know, people get nose jobs that are more painful. Yeah. And if you didn't get the surgery, I mean, it would probably just be hard to feel great about your weight loss accomplishment, right? Yeah. I mean, you know, it's why not put the cherry on top? The muscle was there. I built it. You know what I mean? I didn't get liposuction. I wanted to just do it.

I wanted to just see my work. You know, it was just like a different level of bulking, right? The skin was just there. I wanted to see what was under there. I was just so curious, you know, and that's why I battered my abs. I was doing my abs even at the heaviest because I, I wanted to feel them. And the more I started feeling my abs, the more I wanted the fat to come off, the more motivated I was. Cause I said, there's something under here. I got to see if there's something under here,

you know? And so, uh, that was it. I wanted to see it. Was it kind of weird the first time you saw your abs? of weird the first time you saw your abs? Yes. It was weird, but I tell you what, it's like if you put a dollar in your bank account for every day, it's not a shock that at the end of the year, there's going to be $365. After one point, you get it. You're putting in the work. You're going to get a return. That's what I love about this thing. You go to the gym, you do the right eating, you do the right sleeping. 100% you're going to get a return. There's other things that you have to control. Stress, cortisone levels, things in your personal life that can affect your mindset. Those things you have to put in check. Absolutely. But if you have everything going for you, you're going to get a return for your investment for sure did you utilize any uh i'm just kind of curious did you utilize any performance enhancing drugs during some of this because i know it's a big part of bodybuilding yeah no i mean i was told about it i was introduced to it but i said you know what i i think i can do this without that kind of stuff you know my wife is totally against it

and i said you know let me just let me just try this the right way. I want to be able to accomplish this goal on this level. You know, I have nothing against it. I think, you know, guys perform incredibly well. You still have to put in the work and all that sort of stuff. But this was something I just wanted to do this way. You know, but I did take every, know uh type of uh bcas and everything else that you could take under the sun one of the things i couldn't handle was the shreddable i was

taking some shreddable um which is like a fat burner that thing had me shaking like it was just too much but uh have like uh you know him buying in it or something like that yeah i don't know what it had in it but it's a gnc product but but uh it just was too much you know i took slim vans a bunch of different things that was great worked out well actually uh so i believe you worked with uh rayquan and fat joe what is it going to take to get those guys to uh follow your lead you know that's the thing you know uh obesity doesn't discriminate right it touches the the wealthiest people in the world. You just have to want to do it.

Look at this people out there. You know, when I look at guys like DJ Khaled, who was who was calling out Weight Watchers saying, I want to be a representative of Weight Watchers and stuff like that. I know what it's like to be successful and obese, but you still got to put in the work. be successful and obese, but you still got to put in the work, you know, you still have to want to put in the work, turn down those opportunities, turn down those deals. It's very hard. It's very hard, you know, and there's a lot of successful people that they just don't feel the need to take it to that level or, or they have a limiting belief at some point, or, you know, they convince themselves that, you know what, I really don't need an incredible body. But this is the same person that will spend $250,000 on an incredible chain. I want to know, this might sound a little bit odd,

but you said that, you know, you've tried losing weight nine other times before this point. And this time, it was because, you know, your daughter said she didn't want you to die that you were like, okay, I'm gonna make a switch here. But for a lot of individuals, like, do you think it takes something like that? Something, you know, so massive or hitting rock bottom to make that type of change? Or how would you tell somebody to, or what would you tell somebody that's struggling to find that type of, I guess, motivation or burning fire like you talked about? What would you tell them to do to try to find that? Because I don't think that it's ideal to have to need something horrible to happen or somebody to tell you something so jarring to make a switch. You know, it's weird because I have a buddy of mine who's also in real estate, very successful, lives in my neighborhood. He

drives a Bentley. I drive a Rolls Royce. Occasionally we were bumping to each other at the cafe and he was obese too. And this was when I was obese. One day I go to the cafe, I see him there having a drink and I didn't recognize him. He lost a bunch of weight. I said, whoa, what did you do? What happened? And he's younger than me. He was like in his late 30s. And he said, I had a heart attack. And he's got a family. He's got kids. And but then I see him at the bar drinking and smoking.

So like even with something like that, you know, some people just it's just up to the person to want. And I think a lot of it is you have to fill yourself with inspiration. I would look at 500 pound people, 400 pound people working out trying to lose weight, doing get sitting up on the chair, like doing jumping jacks and trying to do burpees. And these people were losing 150 200 pounds. There's an expression, the man with no shoes felt bad for himself until he saw the man with no feet. So I saw these people doing it. And I said, Anthony, what is your excuse? These people are heavier than you. People in wheelchairs. I that's that's what I filled myself up with motivation. So I think you have to kind of

your Instagram feed should just look the suggested view things to look at should just look at things that are going to motivate you. I would say that I would just imagine that fat or not that you're just a ball of energy anyway, that you probably always had a good a good fire. But what is the actual? What is your actual energy been like, I would imagine that there's been a huge shift in that now that you've been exercising for a while now that you've gotten in better shape. But I would say even when you were a big guy, I can't imagine that you would be like real lethargic and stuff. I'd imagine when you're working, you're probably still hustling and getting pretty well. I always had energy. You know, it's interesting. People ask me, what's it like? What's it like? If I don't work out for a week, which is very rare,

that's never happened except like, I don't know. You feel great. But when you're constantly growing, you're pounding at your body, you're tired. You're tired. You know, you really don't get to enjoy these gains that much, especially when you're under construction. It's very hard to really settle in in that house when there's dust everywhere, you know, so I'm constantly building, I'm constantly tearing down muscle, you know, and you get into this thing to have so much more energy. And I know I do. But I use that energy in the gym. Sometimes, you know, like a lot of the people that I have, the aunt, you got to rest, you got to recover. So now it's a matter of like shifting gears and really, you know, embracing rest and recovery a little bit more, especially for the next level of growth that I want.

It's going to take that kind of discipline, which is a whole nother level of discipline for me where I'm always go, go, go, go, go. I have to kind of slow down and try this method out, you know? I really love the way that you handled this because, you know, I was listening to some stuff the other day from Jordan Peterson, and he talked about how he thinks it's really important for people to narrow themselves before they expand outward. And you think about what you did. You said, well, you know, I don't really know a ton about this stuff. I'm going to try to figure stuff out.

I'm going to investigate. I'm going to, I'm going to try to find it, figure stuff out. I'm going to investigate, I'm going to research. And then you were like, well, it seems like a lot more than I've maybe more than I can, uh, you know, might be biting off more than I can chew. So I'm going to actually hire some people to assist me through it. And then once you kind of got through it, you're like, well, I don't really need someone to cook for me. I kind of get it. It's chicken breast and rice. I can figure, I can figure a lot of this stuff out on my own.

So I really love that because I feel like I think sometimes people want to expand out too early. They want to eat the – you mentioned Quest Bar. You know, we love Quest Bars. We love all these different, you know, quote-unquote healthy snacks, but they can be a slippery slope, especially when you were a bigger guy. You know, I used to be over 300 pounds myself and it's like that quest bar, it hits some pleasure sensors in my brain that probably aren't good to be lighting up because I'm going to want peanut butter cups and ice cream and everything else. Yeah. You know, uh, you have to see, you know, people ask me, you know, what's it like to feel, you know, to look like that or feel like that.

But I remember what it was like to not look like this and feel like this. You know, that was more hurtful than how great this feels, you know. Sure. You know, the whole point is you've been there and done that. There's so much romanticism around eating. When you think about it now that i'm no longer obese and i get invited to people's homes and stuff and it's always like you sure you don't want a piece of cake you sure you don't want this so you don't show you don't want that or a birthday

party yeah i would like to have it but i don't want to have it you know i'd like to yes the answer is do you want some the answer is yes i want some no i cannot have it i don't want it you know i can't have it right now so and so thing is, there's a lot of romanticism around families eating all these carbs, this pasta, this rice and passing the bread around and the food and all that. So a lot of people bring those things into their lives, into their homes, into a restaurant. So there's a lot of like happy moments, happy endorphins around eating, eating, eating. So it's hard to break those habits. But once you look at it from the outside, you're like, wow, you know, like I can see why people, you know, think so highly about this kind of eating. So what keeps you going these days?

You know, you obtain the goal. You know, you got the body you wanted. That cake does come your way, but you're still able to, you're saying you can say no, you know, like what, what keeps you, you know, still pushing forward these days? Well, I have so many plans that we're doing now in the fitness industry. I look forward to what's going on. Cause we, we do have a reality show on Amazon prime it's called radical body transformation. So there's so much more content to make for that. But more importantly, now,

you know, I can have those things and it doesn't affect me because I packed on so much muscle, but I do it in a smart, intelligent way. You know, it's all nutrient timing. You can substitute foods and things like that. So once you have a better understanding um but honestly you you know when you've been there and done that the risk reward it's more rewarding to to have control of of what you eat and what you do and what your body's going to look like you know when i look at some of the physiques that i admire they're not doing that sure they can do that on occasion here and there like they can do that on occasion here and there, like I can do that on occasion here and there. But I've done that already for 41 years of my life. Why do I need to do that? You know, so if I have a piece of cake here and there, great. You know, if I put it in my

program as some sort of a treat or reward, or something to, you know, to spike my insulin, great. But it's not something that I'm living for or thriving for, or I'm unhappy about, you know, just take off your shirt, look in the mirror, you're happy again. You know, I heard this the other day, uh, that there's more, there's more millionaires than there are people that have abs and you were able to attain, you were able to attain both. So you start to get yourself into that kind of really kind of small window of the population. But I love how you've taken the millionaire's mindset. You've taken the mindset from entrepreneurship and you dove really hard into these transformations. What are you guys doing with the radical body

transformations to kind of like lay out a footprint? Do you have like, you know, five rules to get started? Or like, what are some of the methods that you guys are trying to incorporate? Basically, what we do now is we have online coaching, you know, I think the pandemic did as well, because it forced everybody to go online. And what I wanted to do was tell people, you don't need to be a millionaire to do this. Because everybody on stage that was next to me is not a millionaire, but they all had an online coach, they had some sort of a trainer, you don't have to be a millionaire to join a gym. You know, a lot of these gyms give introductory free trainers for the first couple times. So take advantage of those things, even if they have to go gym hopping,

they'll be doing more of that now, especially since they're struggling. So take advantage of those things. But we created a platform where we have do it yourself packages, we have one on one coaching where the coach can talk to you daily, weekly, check-ins. We really say, what is the body that you want? We ask the client, what's the body you want? And we tell you all the things that you need to do to achieve that body. And we work around your schedule, whether you're working, whether you're a busy mom, whatever this thing is. You don't have to do it in nine months. Some people just want to put on muscle. Some people are really skinny and they want to pack on muscle and they struggle with that kind of thing. And so we program that in their thing. But, you know, I'm really big on bodybuilding now. I'm really big on strength. I think that's

important for anybody. So we definitely incorporate some of that stuff in our programming. And then we have like a Facebook community group where everybody can go on there and get a lot of free content, a lot of free PDFs. We have an app that we're rolling out. So there's a lot. And then we have like a Facebook community group where everybody can go on there and get a lot of free content, a lot of free PDFs. We have an app that we're rolling out. So there's a lot. And then for those people that are really aggressive, they can be on our show. We'll feature their transformation from beginning to end. So is the Radical Body Transformations the show?

Is it like through one of those organizations like the WBFF that you did or is it its's is it its own it's our own company it's myself carlos and our partner james he actually started it and how i got involved in it we talked a little bit about in a documentary um was that james had this show uh for a long time and uh when i submitted my transformation to him to actually be on the show he saw it he was like whoa I've never seen a transformation like that. I'd like to come to New York. He flew down the next day from Canada, we started talking, he said, Man, you got the business acumen, you've got the time you have an incredible transformation. I have this show, let's talk, let's see how we can work together and team up and take this to the next level. And I already had ambitions to do something in the fitness world to do something with some sort of documentary. So it was just like a natural fit. You know,

it's kind of like the founders of Home Depot, they all brought something to the table. So it was just great synergy, because he was doing the show. And it was mainly about bodybuilders doing transformations, because it was very difficult to get your average Joe to do a transformation and stick it out all the way. And I knew that recipe. So it was great, you know, plus my marketing skills, my advertising and business acumen, along with my partner Carlos, it was just a great marriage. So the show is independent. It's our show. And it's our online business. So it's great. And along with that, I'm curious about this because, okay, so you lost that one 25 and nine months.

Was it after that you got the skin surgery and then you moved on or the skin surgery and the losing weight that was all in nine month period. Um, I put it all in the documentary, like in terms of the timeline. So I think it was after nine months, then I got the skin surgery. And then I went ahead and had to train more intensely for the competition. So that was the thing, you know, the other thing was, you know, not being able to work out during the recovery period, having to put on more weight, and then lose that weight again, and then get back in the gym while I was in pain and still

recovering. I mean, I still had stitches, um, uh, up until like a month before the competition. So that was, that was a crazy part. Wow. All right. What do you think, uh, kind of felt better, uh, the first time that you had a substantial amount of money in your bank account? Like what felt better as a sense of accomplishment or the first time you, you know, kind of went around town with your new body? I think, you know, I put this video on my Instagram. It talked about, it's called, what is your proudest moment? And in the video, I say, I've had a lot of proud moments, you know, the first time I bought a property, made my parents proud when I was 21. The first time it became a millionaire, a multimillionaire at 23, I bought my mom a Rolex

and my girlfriend at the time myself. And that was a proud moment, you know, and you know, when I, I, I started my company, and I had like 105 people tattoo the logo and the story went viral. Well, the first time I was on Fox and CNN, there was so many proud moments that it was, you know, then when I gave when I found the right love of my life and when I had the baby and that second baby, all these kind of proud moments. But honestly, that feeling on stage, you know, just going through all of that, which was just, you know, recapping all the non proud moments that I had from being obese, you know, like, because there were proud moments. But I was still the fat guy after the proud moment. You know, I remember speaking in South Africa on a book tour

and we had a big book tour for Barnes & Noble. I was on stage. It was like 10,000 people in the crowd and I was talking about my story and all this and that. I come off stage and this lady who's a doctor, a holistic doctor, she says, Anthony, you're so motivating, you're so great. It seems like you have everything

but you don't have your health. I'm worried about you. I didn't know what to say to that, you're so motivating. You're so great. Seem like you have everything, but you don't have your health. I'm worried about you. I didn't know what to say to that. You know, I didn't know what to say to that because I can't practice self-control. It just makes no sense. How can I tell you to do this and that and this and that? And I can't even apply those things to myself. So I was lying to myself, you know.

Sure, I accomplished all those things. Those things were great. But this one thing that's probably the most important thing above all, I can't accomplish. So was I really successful? Well, now you have millions of people that are going to be inspired by the story. I mean, what's that been like, you know, people coming up to you in the street saying, Hey, I saw your documentary, I i mean that's gotta blow you away right it blows me away that the message is people coming up to us in the street i joined the gym i started the gym or i'm doing your program or all these kind of things that mom so many moms are coming at me um military veterans that have ptsd that have gotten out of shape are motivated by this documentary.

So many different people, all walks of life from all over the world. It's amazing. It's amazing. High fives we're getting when we're out with the kids and stuff. We're getting recognized at restaurants and things like that. So it's surreal. But not gonna say i didn't i didn't expect it because honestly i was speaking to a certain sector of people it's like the obesity whisperer you know i was saying certain things that i knew would hit the right people the right way because it takes one to know one and i and i i really set out there to really one-on-one communicate with a certain audience and at the same time i was talking to the bodybuilding community, I was saying, listen, I got your back, man. Let me put some light on this freaking cool world of bodybuilding.

And let me just make it to the general world. The whole world should know about this. It's not just for raging muscle guys. This could be for anybody, you know? The love and admiration that you get from those kind of fans is way different than somebody saying, hey, I saw you on CNN or Fox, right?

Like, it's way different than the people that are interested in your entrepreneurship. All of those people are super pumped too. But the people in the fitness community, I mean, they will, without even asking, they'll come up and steal a hug from me. And you're like, okay, cool. I got personal trainers and nutritionists that tell me I make all of my clients watch your documentary.

You know why? Because it tells you, you need a nutritionist, you need a trainer. Like it sells those important factors. Gym owners are telling me they're playing it in the gym because you have to go to the gym. You have to work out, you know, and you can actually achieve this. But yeah, I get entrepreneurs that write to me all the time and they're like, I've never been obese, but Jesus, I love what you did with your entrepreneurial career. I love to apply what you did, uh, into, cause they're the opposite. And they said, I've always keep myself in shape, but I'm struggling with business, you know?

So I see a correlation, you know, between that. And I think Arnold Schwarzenegger did the opposite. He did good. He applied his physical fitness mindset to his business mindset where I did the opposite, you know, but it can be done. Awesome. Thank you so much for your time today. That was extraordinary. I know a lot of people are going to be super inspired. If there's any way that my company, Slingshot, incredible things with your physique. You're super strong. You're super positive. Your motivational videos are inspiring to me. You know, I watched one recently that talks about, or is it lift or push your way through it? That was awesome. Yeah, lift through it. I mean, awesome. You know, everything that you do is, it's inspiring guys like me. And I love it.

And especially everybody else here. You guys are great. This type of content is being consumed by the right people. And it should be amplified even more. I'm going to do my part to amplify it. I'm really, really honored to think about this. Just like less than two years ago, I was a fat guy. And now I'm on this platform with somebody that I admire. And you know, everything that you're doing from

the carnivore to everything, it is just like amazing stuff. You know, it's just good to watch you. You know, it's inspiring to me, especially somebody my age. And I'm getting so many dads and people my age calling me and like man i want a trip so you're like one of those guys that that are relatable you know and so it's awesome man awesome thank you yeah thank you so much um where can people find and where can they find out more about uh some of the radical body transformations they go to our website it's rbtshow.com, Radical Body Transformations or rbtshow.com. Or they can go on Anthony Lally Instagram. You know, I'm big on Instagram. I love communicating with people on Instagram. But rbtshow.com has got a bunch of stuff on it. And you'll always find us and we'll communicate with you right there and set you up, you know. Amazing. Have a good rest of your day. Thank you. Thank you, guys. Appreciate it. have a good rest of your day thank you thank you guys appreciate it thanks a ton man appreciate it thank you see you thank you

that's a damn good story right there yeah it is that guy's so cool that skin surgery thing like was he was talking about i was cringing in my seat and then he mentioned the liquid in the balls. They were like this big. I just can't. I almost wanted to ask how did that feel? You can ask my brother if you want. My brother had a, when he had hip surgery, his balls were gigantic. And I was in the hospital and I helped him to get up off the, off of the hospital bed. And when I, and when I helped him, his like gown kind of flipped open.

And I was like, I was like, yo. He's like, yeah, dude. He's like, I know. I was like, I don't know. I don't know what I saw, but it didn't look good. I don't know what I saw. How do you take a shit? You know, if your balls are that big.

Oh, you don't sit. I guess it's like it's like a little kid on one of those bouncy balls but hey no it's really good that he like showed how graphic it was just like you i was struggling to look i couldn't yeah i was really dying but that's that's you don't hear like i think there's this guy you guys have heard of obese to beast right yeah yeah absolutely like he's he's had the skin thing done and he's talked about it but i think there's a big difference in seeing all of that versus there's a big difference in seeing it than just having somebody talk about it. But yeah, he, that, that's wild, man.

And then right after that, he does a show. I had a friend that she is one of my wife's friends. She made like one video talking about nutrition and talking about getting the skin surgery. And she talked about exactly what she was getting done. And I think she may have showed some transformation pictures and stuff. I don't remember it too well because it was a long time ago, but it's like her video,

she made one YouTube video and it's got like 4 million views. And I was like, that's a great place to drop off. I was like, you made one video and it was a, you know, it was a big success. I was like, that's, but you know, I think like, you made one video and it was a, you know, it was a big success. I was like, but, you know, I think, like he said, there's a lot of people that, you know, have this issue. And it, you know, sometimes, sometimes it's hard to figure out, you know, like it's hard to put yourself in somebody else's shoes. in somebody else's shoes. But I would imagine, you know, if you're a female and you've been really flat-chested your whole life

and you just don't feel good about yourself, you know, I think it would be a similar thing. You know, you can even look at myself, you know, guys that take performance-enhancing drugs. It's like I'm taking them for a reason. You know, I want to be a little bit bigger. I want to have a little bit more muscle. Maybe I want to be a little bit bigger. I want to have a little bit more muscle. Maybe I want to be a little bit leaner.

And so I think it's a similar thing. These people, they have this extra skin. They're not exactly pumped about that, and they want to try to feel the best that they can. This is their best kind of idea to feel the best they can. And he had kind of a lot of skin too. So I think some people watching it might be like, oh, he looks good enough. best kind of idea to feel the best they can. And he had kind of a lot of skin too. So I think some people watching it might be like, Oh, he looks good enough. Why doesn't he just

throw on a t-shirt? Well, I think that he is really proud of where he came from and he wants to be able to kind of show it, you know, and, and proved himself that he was able to kind of, if you listen to what he said the whole time, it was really, what I really liked about it is he wasn't taking on the mindset of like proving everybody else wrong. I think he was just working on trying to prove himself right. You know, he, he knew ultimately, I think he, it sounded like he was a little conflicted, sounded like there was many points in his life where he never thought he'd be able to do it. But somewhere deep down inside, he knew, he knew that he would get it done at some point. And I think that's what ultimately pushes someone through like Anthony versus someone that doesn't make it.

I still can't stop thinking about the gigantic balls. I wonder how many people... Is there a lot of photos of that? I would imagine... If I had that, I would definitely be taking a lot of pictures, showing it off. You would shave them first, though, right? Something. Don't cut that open.

Don't shave them. Oh, that's right. That's not a good idea. Yeah, and they go everywhere. I think one thing everybody should like take away a big thing is just his circle like i mean i don't know if you have to go to the extent of flying somebody out and having them live with you or whatever but you know i it's definitely important if that's where you want to be to try to put yourself around those types of people. And it's really cool that he himself,

I guess he did have his selling point in terms of convincing people to help him out because he's like, I'll help you with business. But at the same time, it's just like, even if you don't have a selling point or whatever, you got to try to try to change that circle and getting unhealthy people out of your life because somehow some way those people will drag you back into things that they do and it's going to be harder and harder and harder to escape there's some people that you might be friends with that actually might be

in decent shape but they might just not have great habits like every time they hang out they just want to drink or they just want to you know smoke pot and then eat like kind of junk food or something like that. And I don't think you necessarily need to completely cut those people out of your life, but it would probably make your life a lot easier. And then I would also say that you don't necessarily need to chop people out of your life if you still think that they are a good part of your life. But I think you need to figure out how to add to your life, how to add, how to add people to your life or just spend more time with some of the people that make better choices. Cause in most circles, you got at least a couple of friends that care, you know,

you got at least a couple of buddies that are into the gym or running, right? I mean, just think if you were, if you're listening to the show right now and you were like, man, I really got to do something. And what if you just, what if you just said, you know what? My uncle lives down the street. He loves doing triathlons. I'm just going to, I don't see if I can fricking tag along with him in some of his training. You know what I mean? Or, or a friend or buddy. I mean, that's pretty extreme to go diving into something, uh, you know, so drastic, but you might need to try something drastic.

You might need to do something drastic because what you're currently doing just is not, it's not adding up. It's not working. And so I couldn't agree more. You know, you want to try to get that circle of people to be more like-minded I know for me like I mean I kind of feel like a fucking alien almost all the time because like around my own family like they drink they eat different food my wife you know so I got some family members, they care, they understand my position. So they're not going to try to influence that. But it does get to be difficult. And then

just like when I'm out in the regular world, I mean, I've always I've always felt this way. I always felt like an outsider in some weird way. Because I've always been doing things a little differently. I've always felt like I've had to justify, you know, professional wrestling, uh, powerlifting. Um, all these things are just, they're just not as common, but it feels like, it feels like you're really safe when you get around. And that's why I go into like the Arnold classic or something like that, or go into some of these trade shows or going to a powerlifting meet or um you know going to these things you feel you feel amazing i'm sure when you walk into uh your dojo the brazilian jiu-jitsu uh place where you train i'm sure when you walk into there it's an amazing feeling probably because

you're like oh here's all these motherfuckers that love all the same shit that i love and you don't have to uh why do you why do you know you got other people like why you do that man like what is that like you oh you want to beat people up it's like it's like man you have no idea what you're talking about but yes i want to beat people up yeah i definitely totally understand what you mean about feeling like an alien. Um, it used to, like, I used to be embarrassed by it initially, but now I kinda, it almost drives me a little bit, you know, when I'm with family and, you know, like, oh, can you please just make the, uh, the grilled chicken without the barbecue sauce? And like, I'm just going to eat that. Oh, what about this side? This side? No, I'm just going to eat that. And then, you know, like, really? It's like, yes, it's, it's empowering. empowering. It feels pretty good. You know, like I'm getting a little bit

better with just this one meal. And then as far as the circle goes, it's sort of like, you know, like what you said, Mark, like you don't necessarily have to get rid of everybody, but maybe spend more time with those that are, you know, giving you, you know, you're getting something out of. So, it's sort of like the way you do protein leveraging. Maybe you can, you know, positive relationship leverage and just hang out with those that are doing better as opposed to hanging out with those that are not helping. You know what I mean? Like, I think that's one easy way to kind of transition from, you know, being the sum

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I would say that it's easier to explain to people what you're doing when it's people that are close to you. Rather than just be frustrated or annoyed that they're not getting it or they're not understanding you. they're not getting it or they're not understanding you, you know? So when I say that sometimes I might feel like an alien, it might be just because, you know, I, I don't always, I don't always explain, you know, exactly what I'm doing. And I think that what I found is as I got older, it's been easier just to say it. It's been easier just to say like that they would say, Hey, like,

what are we going to do for dinner? And they might talk about, you know, ordering Chinese food. And then I would have to kind of say, Hey, well, you know, I kind of got this plan. This is what I'm doing. And so I'll eat with you guys, but I'm going to be eating a Piedmontese steak, you know, and maybe I'll have, you know, a small serving of something that they have or something like that. But I found it to be easier just to explain. And that way it's, it's I don't know. It's just not so like weird for everybody. Now, one thing that I think is, is a possibility. You can change your circle or you can also try to transform your circle because something cool that Anthony did when, if you guys, if you guys should watch the documentary, the listeners, if you haven't, but he got one of his business partners that he started working out the first day. And his business partner that was also overweight started working out on day two with him. And that business partner also lost a lot of weight, even though he didn't end up doing a show. He lost like 70 pounds.

But through Anthony bringing somebody in, it increased that level of motivation. a lot of weight even though he didn't end up doing a show he lost like 70 pounds but through anthony like bringing somebody in it increased that level of motivation like i remember when i was starting to jujitsu um i had my my homie like a few i think it was like a year into it he was like i want to do it too and for the period that he was doing it i was even more motivated to go train because now we could go to the school together we could train train together. It was super dope. He doesn't do it anymore. That makes a huge difference. Yeah. It's a huge difference when, especially if you carpool with somebody, Oh yeah, dude, I'll come by, I'll pick you up. And it's like, and then,

you know, the 10, 20 minute trip that it takes you to get there. You're talking about jujitsu. You're talking about the moves you did last time on the way home. You're talking about like what was good, what sucked. You get better faster, you know, that way. And if you look at slingshot, you know, our whole team eats pretty healthy. I mean, it's like, it's really, really rare for someone to just sit down in the break room and just eat pure garbage. I mean, every once in a while, maybe Carlos will eat some pizza or something like that. But for the most part, everyone's, everyone's on a plan and everyone's, you know, they're, they're working in a direction, you know, towards their goals and maybe they slip up when

they're outside of there here and there or whatever but um it's because everyone's like-minded there's almost like a pressure to be this particular way rather than you know uh going off the rails and eating a bunch of crap yeah yeah and then anthony even like his wife was healthy but then you now look at her because of what he did his family's changing too you know so yeah and that that reminds me too when he said that he went to like, he, he, he just leaned on like, oh, it's genetics. That's why I'm fat. And then he said he would go to the doctor and like, oh, all your health markers are totally fine. That means I'm healthy, but he wasn't, you know? And it's crazy. Cause that reminds me of my dad, you know, like we would be like, dude, you can't keep living like this. Like something's going to happen. And he would go to the doctor. Everything looks fine. They say I'm as healthy as

I forgot what old people say, healthy as an ox or something like that, or strong as an ox. Yeah. And then he still ended up having to get heart surgery because yeah, it was all bad, but the doctors kept telling him like, oh, no, you're healthy, like you're doing fine. And so hearing Anthony say that, I think that that's super important because I'm sure, you know, like the BMI scale, like, oh, I'm, you know, whatever, I'm under obese or I'm like tiptoeing the line. I'm not there. It's like, I know that that thing is incorrect overall, but somebody might be like, nope, I'm good. And it's like, no, you're not, you might not be. I think that's important. But it's actually really interesting that his doctor was saying that he was healthy because that kind of falls into the whole movement of healthy at every size. Like you hear people on social media when they're taught, when they're visibly too big, they're like, well, you know, my, my heart health is okay. My doc says I'm okay. My markers are okay.

I'm like, bro, you're not okay. Like, it doesn't matter how much, how many tests you take that tell you you're okay. You are not okay. It's, it's, it's crazy. If you have a lot of excess body fat, then you're probably not doing so great, you know? And especially when it comes to men, if you store fat in kind of your abdominal area, kind of in the front that's been pretty linked pretty solidly to heart disease and insulin resistance and just that uh you know a real

a real easy thing to do is just to measure your waist you know i think that's like a really simple simple thing to do and i mean you know you try just try to keep it you know you try to keep it in check somehow um i think ted neiman has like a formula maybe on his on his website where he talked about measuring your I think your stomach and maybe your neck or something like that. But, you know, just like what's reasonable for you to keep your waistline at and you can measure your waist at different weights and try to figure that out for yourself. Like it doesn't have to be you don't have to be Ronnie Coleman and have like a 29 inch waist with 23 inch arms. But, um, you, you, you know, you might want to try to say, okay, well, my waist is currently 44. Like, okay, I'd love to try to keep it below 42 or 41. You just pick a number and try to, you know, progressively work your way down. But yeah, this story is, this story was really cool. And I'm glad that we got Anthony to share it out with us.

But I also think that there's something to his wife's story that I think is really cool because she gained weight. She was always skinny and she always kind of did things via nutrition. She just, you know, probably, she probably just didn't eat a lot and she probably eat, uh, I would have just wild guess. I'd say she probably ate vegetables and, and, uh, fruit and then probably ate meat once or twice a day. But now she has a calculated effort where she's gained 14 pounds, which is about 10% of her body weight. That's significant. And she's still looks amazing. And she has, she has abs and she's made some huge improvements. I think that is a great lesson for women. That's a great lesson for some people that are skinny fat. And it's just a great lesson in general that there's a huge difference between, you know, kind of messing around with just staying in shape, uh, versus getting in really good condition. And I heard Mike Tyson kind of talk about this recently, him and Rogan were going back and forth and they're like, you know, uh, Tyson Tyson's version was you look good in a t-shirt. Tyson's like, yeah, you know, he's like, you know,

leaning out and like looking pretty good in a T-shirt. He's like, that's, he's like, you run a little bit, you move around a little bit, you eat a little less and boom, like you look better in a T-shirt. It's not that easy for everybody, but that is about the gist of it. And he said, getting in condition, he said, it shouldn't even be, he's like, shouldn't even be in the same category by any means because you know as you know in sema with jujitsu it's like yeah you can ride the bike at the gym and you could lift some weights but

you know good luck on the mats if you're not practicing on the mats right and so i think having a calculated effort and you know any just about anybody can get abs, especially if you're not massive and you're not going to have skin issues and things like that. But I think Anthony is a good example of that anyone can have abs. And I think women that are listening to the show, I think they should know that as well. It's probably going to be a matter of you having enough muscle mass and you holding onto enough muscle as you lose weight rather than the old school, you know, cardio bunny, not eating any food type of method, which over time just gets you kind of skinny, fatter and and skinny fatter than you've ever been before.

Let's go watch that episode. You guys did with Gabrielle line. There you go. There's two. I think you you've done at this point. Yeah. So jacked, super jacked.

What you guys doing for the rest of the day? Any lifting? I'm gonna go do some jujitsu. And, uh, does that look like this oh yeah is that one of the moves a neck chop if you're dirty if you're dirty that's been done to me actually when i first started jack actually he's uh he's he's like a prison guard right but he does this old man jujitsu so sometimes when he'd come in for a cross collar choke,

instead of just going for the collar, he'd chop into the neck and then choke me out. I don't know about you, Andrew, but if I was rolling with Nsema, I would just cheat every time. I'd be like, oh, did I poke you in the eye again? I'm so sorry. Oh man, I didn't even know. I hit you in the nuts.

Did I? No. My bad, dude. Sorry. did i poke you in the eye again i'm so sorry my bad oh man i didn't even know i'll hit you in the nuts did i need to the groin my bad dude sorry i got this thing where i got this twitch my knee kind of hurts a little bit i just sometimes i have to stretch it upwards towards you know you're you know you're gonna get choked out so you might as well might as well sneak one in a little bit oh my fingernails are really long the whole week you are prepping to roll within sema you're letting your nails grow maybe like get a like a sharp stubble going on your face just whatever you can to get the upper hand poor josh setledge his eyes light up if i if i talk about rolling within sema he's like oh my god he's so strong and he's so quick. It's ridiculous. Oh, God. Josh is annoying to deal with, though. It's funny.

He does this one guard that everybody is just like, it's a lapel guard, but he'll just stop you from moving. I'm not going to go too deep into it, but Josh is fun to roll with. He's really fun to roll with. He can get you stuck a little bit. There's this guard called the lapel guard, and in jiu-jitsu, you know how you have the gi? Well, the lapel, like, he'll grab your lapel and he'll like wrap it around your leg and then now you got to concentrate because you can't move your leg it's it's it's a new guard that

this american guy came up with keenan and he josh has been studying it a lot and it's been super effective like he he traps people up it's nice so yeah that boy's awesome to probably go, uh, go hit up some lifting. What about you, Andrew? Yeah. I want to get in some shoulders. I'm just going to get it done here at the house, uh, with some, some dumbbells and, uh, some kettlebell work. I already did cardio this morning. So if I can have a, uh, like not perfect, but a perfect day, it would be if I got in that lifting today.

like not perfect, but a perfect day. It would be if I got in that lifting today. I just want to kind of close out by saying, you know, there's, we could have talked to Anthony about the real details of his macros and the counting and the weighing of food, but a lot of it's in the documentary. He talks a lot about it, but you know, we're not big believers in really the specifics obviously you would need to learn the specifics but the specifics are going to be you know specific for you so that's why we're not like hey did you eat 2200 calories or you know what did it look

like um we already can you know assume that he did one gram per pound of body weight in terms of protein it looks like in the movie that he went on kind of a traditional bodybuilding style diet where the fat was really moderate, anywhere between 60 and maybe 100 on the high end. It looked like he did a little bit of carbohydrate cycling as well. But don't get caught up in the nuance, you know, make changes to your food first. up in the nuance, you know, get, make, make changes to your food first, um, work on getting used to eating steak and chicken and pork and whatever types of meats that you enjoy. Um, you know, work on incorporating them and work on trading those out for maybe the crap you were eating before, you know, don't, don't necessarily worry too much about how many calories you're consuming.

And then once you get a little momentum with that, once you've been eating that way, once you learn how to shop, once you learn how to look at the food labels, and once it's been a week or two of you doing that, probably about two weeks would be good. Then you can start to say, hey, I just wonder what some of these days are looking like from a food perspective. How much calories am I getting in? You could start to weigh your food and start to check things out from there and then weigh yourself every day on top of that. And if the trend is going downward, then your calories are probably on track. And if they're not, then you're possibly eating a little too much. And also, you know, go by how you feel, go by how you look in the mirror as well.

Because sometimes when people kind of start a body transformation, it takes a little while to pick up momentum and to start to lose weight. So, you know, keep track of how you're feeling and how you're looking. But, you know, these kinds of things, we talk about it so much. I'm actually watching or just finished watching the Charlie Manson documentary on epics. It's called Helter Skelter. And what a just sick bastard that guy was. But it's actually really interesting. One of the detect detectives that like studied the case a lot, he actually felt that one of the big problems with everything that went down there, along with many, you know, psychological issues. But he thought one of the problems was nutrition because this ranch that they were on, all they ate was candy.

He's like, they didn't have any they didn't have any real food there. He's like, these are people that were already not mentally fit. He's like, and they were just eating crappy food every day. And so, you know, I found that to be interesting. And he kind of, the guy kind of got made fun of in the film, but I'm like, actually, I think not eating, you know, getting off, you know, eating shitty is not going to make you kill people, obviously, but it doesn't help your mental state. And I think that it's really, really important Getting off, eating shitty is not going to make you kill people, obviously. But it doesn't help your mental state. And I think that it's really, really important that people work on their nutrition.

And if you just listen to some of the stuff that we said here today, some of the stuff we said on previous podcasts, you can turn your whole life around. You can turn your whole life around right now, right at this very moment, you can, you can have this particular day be a huge pivot point for the rest of your fucking life. You know, just by, just by starting to implement a little bit of change. I mean, to me, that sounds really, really powerful and you can kind of do it the way Anthony did. You can dive all in and you can try to learn as much as you possibly can. And then once you have, once you dove all in, then you can probably be a little bit more creative. You can start to loosen things up because you have a better understanding of exactly what to do. But, you know, I just want to, I want to hear, you know, more testimonials. I want to hear more people losing tremendous amounts of weight. This is, this is the biggest problem in the United States. We have many, but to me, I think this

is the biggest one. We have people in this country that are way overweight. And, you know, when they talk about the deaths from COVID, they are talking about like the needless deaths that people think happened in the beginning because we didn't shut down hard enough or whatever. You want to talk about needless deaths. Then we got to talk about what people do on a daily basis to themselves with their nutrition and by not exercising. And so I would love to continue to, you know, push this information out and share this information out. So please share this with some friends. And let's see if we can get more people heading in the right direction. Thank you, everybody.

Go ahead. Real quick, what you just mentioned about COVID, though, you guys saw at the end of the documentary how he mentioned how some relatives passed away from COVID, but they were also overweight. Yeah, he may have saved his own life. Yeah. Yeah, living in New York, right? So thank you everybody for

checking out today's episode. You just heard Mark talk about eating some steak. Our favorite way to do that is with Piedmontese, so thank you to them for sponsoring this episode. For more information on them and a way to save money, check the YouTube and Facebook description as well as the podcast show notes. Please make sure you're following the podcast at MarkBell'sPowerProject on Instagram, at MBPowerProject on TikTok and Twitter.

And in the comments of this video, let us know if you guys have seen the documentary and what you guys think about it. And what you think about this kind of like a follow-up to the documentary that Anthony did. It's called Fat Lolly to Six Pack Lolly, and it's available right now on Amazon Prime. And I definitely got to check out the Radical Body Transformation show that he has on there as well, because I have seen it come up, but I just haven't been able to do it. So I'm going to do that. My Instagram is at IamAndrewZ. And Seema, how can people get in touch with you? Seema Yen yang on instagram and youtube and see my yin yang on twitter mark i'll be at st training tomorrow uh doing some training some breasts if either one of you gentlemen want to

join in um that's where i'll be uh i'm at mark's millie bell strength is never weakness weakness never strength catch y'all later