Mark Bell's Power Project - EP. 429 - We Messed Up Our Diet

Episode Date: September 21, 2020

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All right. I'm here in South Lake Tahoe. And one of the first things I had to do was get some Icon meals in the freezer, along with some Piedmontese and a big old box of steak and more steak and more steak just showed up. And with what I'm doing right now, I just told them, you know, don't send me any steaks that have more than like 10 grams of fat. So they're just sending me all their leanest stuff and it's working out really great, especially with the diet that I'm doing right now,

this kind of protein leveraging thing that I'm experimenting with and, and trying, it's working out great. And as we always tell you guys, we're not sure if you believe us or not, but steaks are tender as hell. A Bavette steak is something that everyone should try to experience. It's some sort of maybe a cross between a flat iron steak and a tri-tip or a flat iron and a filet mignon, something like that.

Just amazing. 100 grams of protein. I think it's like maybe 16 grams of total fat um this is if you eat the whole thing it's like a pound or something like that yeah amazing amazing steaks you guys got to try them out yeah and sorry go ahead and see me it is so dope if you're like trying to stay lean or get leaner because I used to not think I could eat red meat and you know diet but it makes the process so easy yeah and then when you say uh you know any of the the cuts that have 10 grams of fat or less I would imagine that they can still send you a bunch of different cuts because all of them are super lean and then it's funny when you say like

you know the the bovette is like a mix between a flat iron and, you know, tri-tip that's actually a really good, um, uh, comparison there. But I walked into a butcher shop and I'm like, Hey, do you guys have flat irons? Like, ah, no, we don't, we don't have any of those. I'm like, Oh, I'm looking for a real lean cut. And the guy looked at me weird and he's like lean, like, no, those are not lean. I'm like, i'm sorry i i thought you guys might be somewhat close to piedmontese beef and he just yeah he kind of got offended i'm like oh shit i'm gonna go ahead and just get out of here and just forget all this and just order stuff from piedmontese because this is obviously not where i should be right now yeah when i was doing my bodybuilding show i you know would eat a little bit of steak here and there. Honey told me I could have steak once a day, you know, uh, fish, chicken,

steak, I'd kind of rotate them around. And, um, I thought, I just, I don't know. I never even really looked into it. I thought that steak, I thought some of the steaks were kind of lean cause they were kind of dry, you know, and they were just hard to eat. So I thought a few of them were fairly lean. And I at the stats and i was like oh man that's like double what i'm supposed to be getting i'm like shit so the only thing i could do is get like uh they have those eye of round steaks but those things are terrible yeah they suck like that's not even really safe and then i i got a new york strips can be pretty lean you just have to chop

that chunk of fat off so that was like kind of one of them but you can't even really do a bodybuilding diet and and eat those uh top sirloin sometimes kind of top sirloin you're right yep that was one i had a lot yeah and then so we're recording this on september 18th and today's national cheeseburger day uh yeah piedmontese hamburger patties they're they're insane um i haven't had the sliders in a little while it's been like actually kind of a long time because i just got the the bigger patties and those things are just they're they're in they're phenomenal like they they taste like they did some weird wizardry to like season those or do something but apparently they didn't all they do

is just put a bunch of ground beef and make a patty out of it and those things are dude those are so good i don't know if you guys mess with those lately i love i love their hamburger patties i've been eating some of the leaner uh hamburger uh as well the uh the 96 i think it is, 96.4. I mean, that usually doesn't taste any good either. You know, I just, when I just, I mean, I do a double take at the stats every time I eat their food because I'm like, they just must be lying to us. But I am getting leaner. So I think it's, I think it's working out okay. There you go. For more information on Piedmontese beef, this amazing, incredible tasting lean ground beef. Sorry about the sirens in the back. Please head over to piedmontese.com. That's P-I-E-D-M-O-N-T-E-S-E.com at checkout. Enter promo code power project for

25% off your order. And if your order is $99 or more, you get free two day shipping. Even the cops are coming and try to steal some of that uh that lean beef are they worried about this podcast because we're going to be releasing too much great information i mean potentially yeah they're trying to trying to suppress us can't talk about anything good it happens yeah and sema you had a pretty cool uh pretty cool thought for today's episode what you got yeah we've done a lot of dumb shit in our day um as far as like lifting and nutrition and just things that we thought we had to do to either get big or to cut or to get strong i thought we could

talk about some of that stuff because some of y'all might still be actually doing some of these things and i you know okay i also want to mention some things that i may mention there's maybe a time and a place for it but i still don't think it's absolutely necessary i think since we were just talking about meat it kind of falls in line because i used to like when i was 20 21 22 uh even my late teenage years i really stayed away from red meat number one because a lot of people told me too much red meat is super unhealthy for you but also as a bodybuilder um i was i was told that you got to eat lean meats because all that fat that red meat's detrimental and you won't

be able to get big without getting super fat so i really stayed away from red meat are we hearing that a lot more in the black community? Or is that, or am I making things up? All right. So back then it was like in the bodybuilding fitness community, but oddly enough, now that you mentioned it and Andrew's mentioned it too, you do hear a lot of that within like a lot of like rappers, like Nas. I think Nas just had,

Andrew was playing a record in the gym and Nas was talking about staying away from red meat. And a lot of rappers are going vegan. And there is still this thing within some of the culture that, you know, red meat's bad for you. Because, I mean, if you look at heart disease within the black community, it's pretty high, right? And red meat within pop culture, right? And pop culture nutrition, there's a high link between red meat and heart disease and, and high cholesterol. So that thing is still spinning around, but it is getting even bigger within the black community right now. Yeah. I was thinking that, uh, I say like a little graph, um,

this guy was talking about dementia and Alzheimer's which which they now consider type 3 diabetes and they showed the difference between Nigerians that were that lived in an American environment I lived in America from for most their life versus Nigerians that lived in Nigeria. And they showed what's such a massive difference in their overall health. And so I think that sometimes we think, oh, there's a genetic component to it. And there is always a genetic component to everything. That is a factor. But there is always a genetic component to everything that is a factor, but environmental

is, is huge. And so I think in America, sometimes when we try to say that, you know, fat is bad, or we try to say that meat is bad, I think we just unfortunately just have bad information. You know, maybe eating meat very often when you don't have control over other aspects of your nutrition. Maybe that's not a good idea. Maybe for the lay person that likes to enjoy a wide variety of foods, maybe it does make more sense for them to eat some chicken breasts here and there because they consume a diet that is a large percentage of maybe normally a fairly large percentage of fat and carbohydrates. And so you can kind of see how people could kind of get, you know, swerved a certain way.

You got guys like CT Fletcher who have went vegan. And then, you know, of course, when people go vegan and they share their experience out with other people, other people get excited and like, oh, I'm going to give that a try, which I think it's good to try different things. But, um, I just don't, I don't, I personally, I've never tried, uh, a vegetarian or a vegan diet. Um, so I, I can't really say on how it would work, uh, for me, but it's something that I just don't think I would ever even bother to try. to try because I am a huge believer in protein and it just seems like an odd way to get protein to try to get protein via vegetables when they don't really have a lot of protein in them yeah and to not get too far

off track but yeah the new Nas album is called King's disease because the king's disease uh was like uh over consumption of literally everything but it was like specifically about gout and we had a stick man from dead prez on and he said he got gout from eating too much meat and drinking and stuff so that's why he went vegan and uh i mean for majority of my you know whatever since like a teenager to you know an adult nas was like my favorite rapper but hearing him kind of give a little bit of nutrition advice on on his album i'm like ah like like no like just stop just go go rap about dope shit like you know it was funny he's telling people like uh you know watch your uric acid levels get you some lemongrass. And I'm like,

what are you talking about, dude? Like, I love, like he's, he's, like I said, he's been my favorite rapper of all time, but it was just funny listening to that. And just like, ah, like maybe you shouldn't be spitting nutrition advice right now. I don't, nutrition might be the, nutrition might be the hardest thing to prove, you know, one way or the other, you know, could you show that meat uh causes gout could you show a pretty good link um you probably you probably can figure out many ways to uh at least fool people into thinking that it does and then i would say the reverse is true too you could probably show hey look we didn't find much evidence because they do that all the time with like eggs and cholesterol and dietary cholesterol and i think that's one of the

issues that we're running that we run into and the topic for today of of you know talking about these different uh things that we've tried in nutrition or these different things that we've tried and with exercise um i think we get we try something and it makes us feel good. And as Joel Green pointed out on our podcast, almost anything you switch to will make you feel good for a few weeks. So that's something to think about is that it doesn't matter what you switch to. If you switch to something for about three or four weeks, as long as it's not a completely unhealthy practice, you'll probably feel pretty damn good for a little while.

That's why you hear most of the time people like, oh, I switched over to try on this and now I feel great. It's also a minor change. It's not like you went from not doing jujitsu to doing it. It's not like you went from never running and then all of a sudden trying to run marathons right it's it's usually pretty gradual people are like i chopped out vegetables and i feel great you know or chopped out meat and i feel great it's like okay well let's see you know how long can that last for you and let's see how you feel down the road yeah you know real like real quick um going back to what andrew's mentioning about gout right right naz removed meat right but we also know like within like rappers like to drink a lot i had

a client in india right and he he got gout flare-ups a lot and he's like i think it's the meat i think it's the meat i'm like yo dude you drink a lot right he's like yeah it's hard to cut out i have business meetings and in these business meetings you need to like you know it's you got to drink with your your partners like well let's let's try to actually cut that out instead of cutting out the meat let's cut out the alcohol a few weeks later he's like it was the alcohol like so i'm wondering like with naz is this really the amount of meat you're eating are you still drinking a little bit too much right now because drinking is a hard thing to cut out it's much easier for a lot i think a lot of people to cut out a bit of meat that's cut out the alcohol that allows them

to be socially um you know be social with people yeah and then just to clarify i i don't know for if for sure if naz went vegan or he cut out meat he He just, that's just the title of his, his album. And I know, uh, stick man was the one that like, he's writing a book and in that book, he has a chapter, um, dedicated just to the King's disease, which is gout. And, you know, that's what they call it. Um, when I say they, I mean, like that's what ancient times, you know, that's what it was called. Um, so I don't know for sure. I could, I could look it up. I know how to, how to make sure, you know? Uh, so yeah, I don't know. I hope I know. Right. I hope Nas didn't go vegan. He's too good of a rapper for us to let him, let him go back or let him go away from me. I've been pescatarian before.

How did that go? Yeah, I did that in college for six months during my, I think it was the beginning of my, the latter half of my first season. And I felt kind of weak after a while. But the thing is, you see, like you mentioned, Mark, after you switch to something, you feel kind of good for a while, then you feel kind of bad. But then also, I don't think I was doing, I was doing pescatarian in kind of a stupid way. Yeah, I was eating a lot of fish. I was eating a lot of rice and carbs and stuff. But I know I probably wasn't getting enough good fats in. I wasn't supplementing things that I was missing from like potentially eggs or meat, etc. I wasn't supplementing a lot because I was a college student. I didn't have the knowledge to look up the supplements that I was missing or the money

to buy those supplements. Right? So maybe if I did it in a smarter way, I wouldn't have felt as bad, but it was a, it was an interesting experience to say the least I felt weak. Yeah. I think the, uh, the, the, I would say from a nutritional standpoint, one of the, one of the key ingredients from a nutritional standpoint for most people is just to figure out a way to not overeat. And so whatever way that you can figure that out, I would say that that's probably a great diet. And I don't care what diet it is. I don't care if you're vegan or whatever, because most people just have an issue with overeating. So if you can figure out a way to have a, you know, reasonable caloric intake on a daily basis. And maybe through that reasonable caloric intake that you have,

maybe over a period of time, you know, weeks and months go by, you're actually in a slight caloric deficit of some kind. So you don't really ever gain weight or you're just flat out just maintenance and you don't acquire, you don't gain any more body fat. I think ultimately that's what we got to try to steer people towards. And so I think, you know, could you fill yourself up with vegetables in a given day and avoid overeating? It's like, yeah, well, of course you can.

And then from there, can you get the nutrients that you need? And the answer again is of course you can, because of the times that we're in, you can just order whatever supplement you want off Amazon. It's at your house in a day. And so I just think that we try to make nutrition so complicated. And if you want to eat a couple of slices of bread every day because it fills your stomach up and you really love bread and you think it gives you good energy then fucking do it you know as again it whatever can get you through the day whatever keeps you happy and excited and keeps

you feeling healthy and strong and having good energy then i think that's what you should try to lean into yeah i'm curious to know uh mark your um i don't not not beliefs but like your your take on the ketogenic diet now that you've done bodybuilding and you're currently like focusing more on protein leveraging and having some carbs and stuff because that's probably the the only diet that i did where i just completely like like, without a doubt, totally messed up. It would be, like, 9 p.m. at night, and I'm, like, looking at my, you know, fitness pal, like, oh, my gosh, I got to get my fats up. And so, like, I'd have, like, bulletproof coffee, and I'd just be cramping all night long because I would put a bunch of MCT oil because I needed to reach my, the correct amount of fat because I'm like, Oh, I run off of fat now. So I have to have that. And keep in mind, I wasn't overweight. It was just something I wanted to try, uh, just to, just to see what

would happen. Like, you know, I kept hearing about this ketogenic diet and this was right before it became like a super big mainstream thing. Not that I was like up on it before anybody or anything like that. But I just remember like, it was not common. Nobody knew about it. Like, as far as like family and friends, like nobody understood, like, what do you mean you can eat bacon? Like, that sounds weird, but I did it horrifically wrong. Like it was so bad. Like I was under eating. All I was eating was like, you know, butter and coffee and bacon. I did have a bunch of eggs. But now that you've done, I mean, you've done all the diets before you were like on the war on carbs.

But just looking back now, is there anything you would have, you know, maybe like to change about the book or just some of the the the thought process or ideology about ketogenic diet has it changed there's still a lot more research that probably needs to be done but as far as i'm aware when you talk about anti-disease um i don't know if there's anything better now they haven't they haven't like i don't know if they've compared it i don't know if there's anything better. Now, they haven't, like, I don't know if they've compared it. I don't know if they've compared, in all fairness, I don't know if they've compared a ketogenic diet to being in a caloric deficit, being a healthy person, period. But it does appear that ketones own natural benefits beyond what protein does,

beyond what fat does, and beyond what carbohydrates do. Now, you can produce ketones if you're just in a caloric deficit as well. It's a natural process in the body. Maybe you're not producing as many. But I would say that, yeah, I'm still a huge fan of a ketogenic diet when it comes to Alzheimer's, when it comes to dementia, when it comes to diabetes. It makes sense to me that a diet that can reverse diabetes can reverse a lot of other diseases. Most of the experts will say that diabetes and heart disease are the same

thing. Primarily, they're usually some dysfunction with your insulin resistance. And so when you kind of start to look into some of that, you're like, wow, like, what the hell other diet does that? And again, could you be on a bodybuilding diet and overcome a lot of these things, I would say that you probably can. But there's a lot of good research. The research that Ron Penna had done at the Keto Pet Sanctuary where they had many, many dogs. I think they lost two dogs, which was two dogs too many for Ron Penna, but they lost two dogs out of, I think they had 110 or something like that,

lost two dogs out of, I think they had 110 or something like that, dogs at this keto pet sanctuary where they fed dogs a ketogenic diet, had cancer. I apologize that I don't remember the types of cancer that they had because the ketogenic diet is not going to all of a sudden ward off every type of cancer that there is. We're not at that stage yet, but still a huge fan of a ketogenic diet. And, um, if I was traveling, if I was bouncing around from spot to spot, I wouldn't, it wouldn't really be possible for me to utilize this. Uh, it wouldn't be possible for me to utilize protein leveraging as much because good luck trying to get low fat foods at a restaurant with meat, you know, because they're going to dump a bunch of oil on them. And you can ask them not to do that stuff like that, but, uh, it's just going to be, it's going to be really tough. So if I

was traveling, I would probably be hammering a ketogenic diet, eating a hamburger patties without, you know, stop hamburger, uh uh eating omelets on the go and all that kind of stuff mark let me ask you this real quick what is the okay so as far as the protein leveraging thing is going right now um you obviously have high protein your fats are pretty low and your carbs are pretty low right okay now with. Now with that happening, what is, um, what, what is the goal with, are you trying to true drop? Are you trying to maintain like what a person wants to think about doing this? Is this a person that's dieting or this is a person that's trying to like maintain what they've got? What's the intention? So I would say probably what will happen with me is probably the conclusion that I'll probably come to.

I mean, I'm kind of just experimenting for the moment. So basically what I did was, you know, after reading a lot of Ted Naiman stuff and having him on the podcast and understanding his principle that it's protein versus energy. So energy comes in the form of carbohydrates and fats. Protein just isn't a great energy source. And so when you start to look at things that way, then you can say, okay, well, I need X amount of protein per day. I weigh 200 pounds, so I'm going to eat at least 200 grams of protein. And in this case, you can go 1.5 times above or even two if you wanted to,

but go 1.5 times above and now we're at 300 grams of protein per day. From there, you can take, you can kind of split that in half and say, all right, well, I don't know, you know, 150, you know, I could have 150 grams of carbs or fat, I can go either way, or, you know, I could have 150 grams of carbs or fat. I can go either way or, you know, some combination thereof, depending on how much food you want to eat and depending on how much you move, um, you might need a little bit more than that. But, uh, what I'm finding is that for some of the people that have been doing this diet for a while, uh, is that they'll usually go about half their body weight in grams of fat, half their body weight in grams of carbohydrates. And they usually go about 1.5 times their body weight in grams of protein. And then they just tweak from there because that's usually not really

necessarily right on the money, uh, for anybody. So you might have to lower your fats or you might have to up your carbohydrates and lower your fats or whatever it might be to make sure that you have good energy and to make sure the scale is heading in the right direction and make sure the way you look in the mirror is heading in the right direction. But I think the conclusion that I'll come to is that this isn't really necessarily a diet diet, you know, something that maybe I'm not sure if I'll use it the rest of my life, but it's, but it's a leverage. It's like, something that maybe I'm not sure if I'll use it the rest of my life, but it's, but it's a leverage. It's like a lever that you can pull to gain some leverage against hunger. And so I'll probably, I probably will utilize it in some sense the rest of my life,

but not all my meals will probably always be like this. There'll just be times where I'm sure I get bored of it. And I'm just like, Hey, I want to do a keto diet. But even if I go on a keto diet, there'll probably be a couple of times a day where I'm like, well, I'm just going to have a thing of protein, you know, protein shake with 50 grams of protein in it to augment this meal, to bring that protein up a little bit higher. So some things keep in mind with protein leveraging, it's not really just an abundance of protein diet.

It's a high percentage of protein diet. So that means that in order for it to work properly, you can't eat a lot of other macronutrients. So in order for it to really work, like if you, if you're really, really heavy, if you're obese and you ate straight protein for, uh, you know, multiple days on end. Um, that would be like a, it's called a protein sparing modified fast where you're kind of fasting. So you're not giving your body any real great energy source. Um, it would be nearly impossible to, uh, only eat protein. Um, but you can get, you know, really low fat amounts. We've talked before on the show though, how it's not advantageous to cut your fats too low because you can run into

hormonal issues and things of that nature. And so you'd have to be, you know, yeah, you'd have to be very, you'd have to be, uh, very cautious with that, but it still would be an amazing way to lose a lot of fat, but maybe your dick wouldn't work. Andrew, are you remembering something? Yeah. Yeah, actually I am. Uh, hate to admit it, but yeah. Um, when I was doing my cut, man, like I, it's, it's so funny, you know, like just in the past year, how far I've come just in like knowledge of nutrition and stuff.

But I remember asking him and seeing him like, Hey, fat doesn't make me fat. Why am I dropping my fat solo? And he's like, well, you can't have carbs and fat. And I'm like, Oh, okay. Well, in that case, I want more carbs. So I'm going to get rid of all my fat. Next thing I know, man, things aren't working. I'm tired. I'm like no energy in the gym. I'm like, and Seema, what's going on? He's like, well, where's your fat? And I'm telling him probably like 25 grams, you know, of fat. And he's just like, whoa, dude, like, no, no, no, no, no. We need to get that up closer. Like at that time, like 70. And man, talk about like a tough lesson learned. I'm just like, what's going on here?

Like it was bad, you know, but thankfully, you know, that's one of the, uh, the big, uh, big bumps in the road that helped lead to a good lesson, which is make sure I get adequate fat because holy crap, that is, that messes with your hormones big time. My new name is the Dick Saver. That's me. I'm a Dick Saver. All right. Real quick though. Thank you, Jeff. You're very welcome. I want to leave Andrew to leave him out dry right now. Back in 2015,

when I was cutting for the bodybuilding show, I was working with Alberto. Alberto Nunez. You know, we love that guy. Now he had my fats down at 30 to 40. And for the last six, five months of my prep, I had no sex drive. Like it was gone. Go ahead. No, as you say, but that's like in a competitive setting, right? Like it was all or nothing. But that's the thing though like this is this is why

i thought that this episode would be so great because nowadays right i'm maybe seven i think maybe nine pounds away from being stage lean and i have had no indication of that happening my my drive is there and it's it's there to stay but the reason why it's there is because my fats aren't super low like I used to think that you had that you had to have super low fats to be able to get lean and the side effect of that for men is your libido tanks all right and it doesn't it doesn't want to work right but no you don't have to diet on super low fats to get lean and you can maintain your drive even when being super lean and cutting. It's great. That's it. Yeah. That's it. It's just so crazy. Like,

cause now like I'm at a point where I can actually, you know, like, like I woke up, uh, like Monday, like at one 72, you know, and keep in mind, like, uh, two weeks prior at the photo shoot, I was one 66. So the goal is to kind of be around one 70. And oddly enough, somebody had asked on the, uh, the live stream we did with, uh, Mark Loebliner, somebody was just like, Hey, how much is Andrew way? And like, that's such a random question, but I was like, I'm one 72, but I know I'll be at one 70 by the end of the week. So here we are Friday. And sure enough, I'm at one 69. Um, just, it's, it's crazy how, like, once you do start to learn how you can manipulate your body with even just like the, like a subtle change,

you know, it's like, what, what changed? Like, like oh i wasn't tracking and i i kind of had a little bit more and so now i'm tracking and i'm having just a little bit less yeah and yeah i do the fats though that's so crucial i hope everybody listens to that no but that's one big thing that that like again when i started uh focusing on bodybuilding in my early 20s um that that like and even in my teens when i was reading on bodybuilding.com forums all bodybuilder guys were like you know you're first off you should be eating 46 meals a day you should be eating fairly low fat your carbs should be up here your protein should be up here and that's kind of what i followed um but now i don't believe that you need to follow that like a lot of those guidelines at all to get big or at all to get lean.

Like it's just there. I think there are much better, more sustainable ways to do it because the way I was doing that bodybuilding diet and Mark, it's kind of similar to what you're doing for the show. For me, that wouldn't be like I can't do that for a long time. Right. Right. Some people can. I do can't do that for a long time. Right. Right. Some people can. I do know some people that, like, they prep all their meals. They eat really low fat.

They have the Tupperware. That's just what they do. And that's what they've decided to do for life. But that's just not me. And I just don't think it's necessary anymore. Yeah. For me, I don't really, I don't necessarily enjoy that. I don't like to, you you know go around with a bunch of food or have to have it prepped all the time um so i just choose not to do it but it but if you

can make it work and if it feels good for you you know i i made a tweet the other day just saying like you know i think i hear people all the time saying well keto diet is not sustainable or vegan diet is not sustainable or but it's like who's to say it's for some people, for some people, uh, certain practices are, are, um, reasonable for them to do. Like look at Cam Haynes. He runs like a half marathon at lunch. That's the guy's lunch. And imagine telling him, Hey, that's not sustainable. I think he's been doing it for like 20 years, you know? so I don't think it's great to, uh, to place too much judgment. Now, if you're giving somebody advice and you're trying to coach somebody, that's different

because you want them to be armed with as much stuff as possible so that they can make, uh, choices that, um, lean into the things that they're interested in and lean into their lifestyle. And that way you can say, well, yeah, we tried that a few weeks ago, but it didn't seem like it was sustainable for you. And now we're, you know, going to move on to this other thing and see how you like that. But on the topic of the, you know, the fat and the kind of the macros and stuff like that. So because my protein is so high, I think that's kind of making up for a lot of other macronutrients that I'm maybe not consuming as much of. But I still feel like I'm consuming plenty of carbohydrates and plenty of fats.

When I share information, it's always a little difficult because if I give people numbers, they're just rough guesses. Cause I don't ever track it. I mean, they don't really write it down. Um, I might pay attention to it for a few days, just to kind of, just so I can share information a little bit more accurately. Um, but in terms of carbohydrates, like yesterday, I just didn't eat any of them. Uh, the, uh, the day before that, I think I probably had, uh, carbohydrates a couple of times I think I probably had carbohydrates a couple times. So I probably had like 200 grams. So it can kind of be all over the map. But if I don't lift, I usually don't eat carbs.

And that's not based off of any sort of real scientific thing or anything. It's just I just go by my energy output. You know, if I felt like I had a lot of – I felt like I gave a lot of energy for the day and I did things that were real physical. Like when we had Mark Lobliner in, we podcasted with him and I trained with him. Um, you know, on that day I probably had, you know, 200 grams of carbs or something like that, but it really just depends. You know, if I don't, if I don't put out a lot of, uh, energy for the day, then I, I'll probably choose to be a little bit more kill-esque, I guess you'd say. You know, what I really do like, first off, in terms of what we're talking about here, is like I did mention, right, with the Tupperware stuff.

For me personally, that's not something I want to do anymore. And the funny thing is, even when I was doing all of that, I wasn't enjoying it, right? So I think a good idea. And I know that this might be a little bit difficult, because if you're just starting this whole process, you don't know what you would really like. So you end up trying a lot of different things. Like Mark, you did a bodybuilding diet, you've done keto, you've done carnivore, you've, you've done all these diets. And because you've done all these diets, you've been able to come across, this is kind of how I want to eat. This is how I want my days to go. If I go and I do this, then I can, you can pull on these different levers whenever you want to, because you have all of these experiences.

I think now, because I've been able to, in the past, I did mess with carnivore for a little bit, right? So just eating just like meat and no carbs for a little bit. I did do some keto. I did do pure IFYM in the dumbest fashion where I was eating a lot of bad, crappy foods and making them fit my macros. I did that. Right. But now, since I since I've been able to do those things, I can have different foods. Like if I do end up wanting to get some pizza on a certain day with with a friend or something, I can do that. But it's not a common thing. Like the next few days, I know what levers to pull on in terms of fasting in terms of high protein in terms of low fat, so that I can move

forward in the right way. I have freedom in terms of eating in a healthy way because of the different dieting experiences. So maybe you need to try these different things. And Seaman, would you say that like kind of what I've noticed and I would like to know your opinion is, do you think that all roads kind of lead back to a bodybuilding style diet for somebody that's really trying to really get in shape. When you say that, what do you mean? I mean that like, there's a lot of different ways to get to this, to the same destination, right? But ultimately you're going to have to take that bodybuilding road, you know, to get you there the fastest. Like if you're trying to, if you're trying to not take the back roads and take the freeway and get there the

quickest, you're going to end up on a bodybuilding diet because even when I've seen like Lane Norton kind of lay out some of his foods or people that are in flexible dieting or if it fits your macros, they'll talk about the pop tarts. We'll talk about, you know, the frozen yogurt and we'll talk about, you know, popcorn and all these different things. But ultimately when it starts to get closer to a show, you'll usually see a lot of those things removed and you'll see the protein being spiked way up,

a good amount of carbohydrates and a pretty modest amount of fat. And they might still have a treat here or there, but it's going to be a lot less common. It's going to be pretty strict probably for 12 to 16 weeks. Yeah. At the end road, I think so. But you know, you mentioned that their carbs are pretty high. I think for some people that could be totally switched. And I think it, it can, it should be for a lot of people with their hormones and stuff like, so you're dead work. So I think the fats could be kind of high and the carbs could be pretty low, but I think the big, one of the big things that really changed things and made things easier for me. And when we had Cole Robinson on Cole Robinson was his name, right? Yeah. When we had him on, he talked about all of

these really, really big people implemented some fasting. Sometimes it was, you know, some tough water fast, but implemented some fasting and lost weight like this, right? I think that that habit is one of the X factors that not only allows the people that he works with, the people that you've worked with, Mark, myself, some of the people I've worked with, I think that's that X factor because it helps you not be controlled by hunger, right? So if you have some fasting where you don't feel that you have to eat all the time, and then you do use whatever diet you have, it's easier to be in a deficit, which means it's just easier to drop pounds. Because if potentially if I did a diet where or if my eating style was eating all day

long, my hunger levels, my cravings with the way that I can eat because I can eat a lot, it'd be really difficult for me to stay lean. It would be super difficult. But because I have that habit, and I don't feel like I have to eat all the time, I can eat pretty big meals. But staying lean or getting leaner isn't a difficult issue. And the one thing I've noticed too, for individuals that do shows, when I've had them implement some fasting, their calories are so low. And because they're able to like eat those calories within like an eight hour or whatever window, they still feel satisfied because they ate 15 or 1600 calories within a six hour window. So they're satiated and they're used to not eating for the first part of the day. So they're not having all these crazy cravings that

you typically have when you're super lean. Yeah. And imagine if you're just trying to solve, you know, solve an issue of people being overweight and you thought about it on its most, just the most logical level. Like if you use like a little kid's approach to it and said, all right, well, I determined, you know, I talked to 10 people that are really heavy. And these 10 people said that they really enjoy eating. They love to eat. And these 10 people said that they really enjoy eating. They love to eat. And they also have mentioned that they tried to eat better, but they had a hard time.

And they ended up eating foods that aren't great for them. And then if you just said, okay, well, what's the number one thing that we need to figure out? We need to figure out ways for them to eat less. And the only way you're going to get them to eat less is figure out how to control their hunger, how to control their cravings. And that's when you're going to see some massive changes. And that's when you'll get people that come to you and they say, Hey, I tried what you said last week. And I, you know, I lost like four or five pounds just in this one week, you know, then they gain momentum and they lose 20 pounds or so in a month and, and they're kind of on their way. Um, but they, you know, you can control your hunger in a lot of different ways. You know, you can occupy

your mind. You can, uh, you can try to drink more water. You can go on walks. You can try to find hobbies, uh, that you enjoy. You can eat a lot more protein, like just stuff yourself with protein. Um, in fact, I would say that if you're not hungry for more protein, like just stuff yourself with protein. Um, in fact, I would say that if you're not hungry for more protein, then you're actually just not hungry. I think that's a great rule of thumb that to always have. I would, I would fucking write that on your refrigerator. If you're fat, you know, if you're not hungry for protein, you're not actually hungry. It's just, it's a fake calling, you know, and it's okay to have those and it's okay to act on those. But for the most part, that's just going to lead you to eat stuff that you probably don't,

uh, you probably don't need fasting. I know it sounds counterintuitive, but, um, fasting will not only help you eat less in a given day, it can help you eat less over time because you can recognize that, Hey, this is just a pulse. This is just a pulse in my brain. This is just my body telling me that I'm hungry, but I'm not really that hungry. I mean, I ate just six hours ago or I ate, you know, last night at, uh, you know, 8 PM I finished off a 14 ounce, uh, New York strip. So like how hungry am I really, uh, at 11 AM the next morning? Yes, you are hungry and you probably need food at some point in the day, but you probably don't need to react to that first

impulse that you have that first. I would say like when I fast for longer periods of time, like 18 hours or so, that usually hits me about three times. And there's studies that show that you get hit by hunger regardless of whether you studies that show that you get hit by hunger regardless whether you eat or not, you get hit by hunger several times a day, uh, whether you eat or not. So think about that. You know, you could eat at 8am. You're still going to be hungry at 1130 anyway, because that's just the way, the way the body tends to work out with, uh, our circadian rhythm and stuff like that. Yeah. It's funny. I'll, um, I'll, I'll prep everything to head to, uh, head to, um, uh, head to work. And as I'm getting ready to go, I'm like, dude,

I should probably just like pause and eat something right now. Cause I am so hungry cause I haven't been fasting as long as I used to just trying something different, trying to get more protein in my system. And I'm like, no, like I'll just, I have everything good to go. Like, I'm just going to drive to work, like no big deal. And by the time I get there, I forgot that I was hungry. Like, it's so weird. And it happened like two, three times this week. And I'm just like, that's, it's wild. You know, like I was for sure, like, yep, I'm going to eat lunch early and I might have to go grab some more food or something. But, like, it's definitely happening today.

And I completely forget. It's so weird. But, yeah, exactly. Like, occupy your mind. I'll throw on, like, a YouTube video or something as I'm driving and the hunger pains go away. But when it comes to fasting, I've definitely made the mistake of fasting for a little bit too long. And, and Sema, I want you to help clarify like what I was doing. But during my cut last year, I was like, so pumped. I'm like, dude, I fasted for like 20

hours today. Like I just got stuck, you know, podcasting, photo shooting, doing, doing all kinds of stuff. And I'm like, dude, yeah. So my calories are super low today. Like I did good. Right. And then in SEMA, you were like, well, sort of, because what's going to happen in a couple of weeks when we really start to dig, like, you're not going to have anywhere to go. Can you explain what you were like, just explain what you were talking about okay so um a really cool thing that you just mentioned there andrew was the you were able to get your i guess cravings in control you want to you want 20 hours with a lot of people can't think about going 20 hours without

eating food you went 20 hours without eating and at the end of the day you're like huh dude i don't need to eat that much this is great all right sound? No, you don't. I'm just I'm just, I'm just using your very stereotypical white skater, dude. You know? So you did that, which first off, a lot of people are like, well, that's crazy. I can't even imagine doing that. But then we're trying to cut for a long period of time. Now, this is where fasting can be detrimental in a bulky and a cutting sense. But let's talk cutting. When you get into the habit of getting to that end part of your day and you're not eating a lot, you end up eating such a small amount of calories. It could be a thousand calories and you're like, wow, I'm stuck with

a thousand calories. Your metabolism starts to then slow down because you're only eating a thousand calories a day. So as you're trying to cut more and let's say you stall, right? And you're not losing any more weight. What direction are you going to go with only a thousand calories that you've been eating? You got to somehow do more work in terms of the gym or you have to eat even potentially less. That's why, like, I think I had you at like 15 or 1600, which is pretty low, but I wanted you to hit that so we could milk that out as long as possible. And then when you hit a stall, maybe we can drop again, or maybe we can do a small diet break and

increase your calories for a little bit, but we'd have room to eat less rather than going like, when people try crash diets and they eat like 500 calories a day, they drop for a while. And then they're like, oh my gosh, why am I not losing any more weight? And they can't. So they have to, Lane talks about it. They have to reverse out of it a little bit and then move back down. So that's why you want your calories low, but not too low. You want to make sure when you fast that you eat enough within that fasting period, which sometimes is a pretty difficult thing to do. I think, uh, you know, something you guys were mentioning a little earlier is like, you know, you want to have these tools. You want to have these tricks to be able to utilize.

And so the more knowledge that you have, the easier it's going to be to apply. I think when you're new at stuff, you really kind of need to follow the protocol. You know, as Nsema has laid stuff out for Andrew, it's good to ask questions and it's good to say, hey, like I'm doing this today because today just ended up being different. So what do you think of that? You know, and to get feedback from your coach. But for the most part, you really want to try to follow what your coach

or someone laid out because you currently just don't have the knowledge to shift or to move. So the thing that you think is a good idea just might not be that good of an idea. Kind of reminds me of like, you know, when you're a kid, if you learn how to play like the piano or something like you, you learn how to play like chopsticks, you don't really know how to venture out and do much else. And anytime you try anything else, it just doesn't sound very good. Sounds very out of tune and it's just not not working. And so same thing here. It's like you're you want to kind of expand your knowledge vertically. You know, if you're on a keto diet or if you're on the vertical diet or if you're on a carnivore diet, you know, lean into that and, and learn what that feels like. Try to learn as much

as you can about it. The more that you learn, even within that system, the more you're going to be able to explore outward and expand outwardly. You're kind of be able to go off in whatever direction you really want to. I mean, if you wanted to eat a thousand carbs a day, like a Jay Cutler, you can do that, but you better have Jay Cutler type experience or Jay Cutler type coaches to be able to figure that one out, to be able to eat that kind of food. Another thing I want to touch upon is that when it comes to bodybuilding, something to really keep in mind is bodybuilders eat a lot. They really do. They eat a lot. And when you talk about bodybuilding, especially

people that are good at it, the foods that they use to get big are the same foods that they use to get smaller. They're the same foods that they use to get in shape. And this is my problem with flexible dieting. And this is my problem with just some of what gets shared out there. Yes, I understand the principle of it. I totally get it, and I totally agree 100% that you can eat some different foods. You could have a wide variety of foods. You could eat a couple slices of pizza probably every day if you wanted to really figure it out. out. But I think trying to get skinnier basically, or trying to lose body fat off of foods that have pretty much made our entire society fat and now the entire world fat. It just isn't a great way

to go about doing it. It's it's probably dangling something in front of you that you shouldn't be, shouldn't be like tempting yourself with as much. So that, that's one of the things where I'm like, ah, like I've been a heavier person. I was never like the fat guy type of thing. I was kind of fat for powerlifting, but most of my family's fat. And I'm like, no, like just not what I'm seeing. Like what I'm seeing, I can't, I can't give, I can't tell, you know, some of my relatives. Yeah. You could have a slice of pizza every day and that would work out just fine.

Because also the other thing that happens is that I think this is really not ever talked about, but I refer to it just in a funny way as like meat displacement, but it's probably protein displacement. with snacks and bullshit is is america's biggest problem with obesity in my opinion because if you didn't fill yourself up with that stuff and you had other options um or not even had other options your only options were were meat or were protein then you would stuff your face with that so i think that that's another thing to be cautious of every time you're like i'll just eat a couple of these animal crackers or I'll just eat a couple of these, whatever that whatever that crap is that you're eating. Whenever you think about that, you're taking up space for something otherwise that could be important because animal crackers are not essential to your livelihood as much as we want to think they are. You know, one thing I want to mention, I love what we're doing here, because if you guys haven't listened to it, you need to go back to the episode that we did with Nick Wright. OK, Nick talks a lot about how he did a lot of flexible dieting and he built a lot of bad habits.

It was and it turned into kind of a disorder for him and he had to just get out of that zone. sort of for him and he had to just get out of that zone. And Mark, what you were mentioning there in terms of it's not the greatest idea trying to maybe fit these bad foods in because they fit your macros. I did that for years. But throughout that period of time, there were days that I'd hit my macros perfectly. But a lot of the time when I would try to fit some Oreos in or fit something in, it would be so tough for me to back off. Most of the time I would fail for backing off and I'd eat two thirds of the box of Oreos, or I'd eat a few more slices of pizza, or instead of two tablespoons of peanut butter,

it would be five tablespoons of peanut butter. And I would always be trying to find a way to fix myself because I was like, okay, well, I fit it in. I ate a little bit too much. What can I do here? I never really was able to get out of that loop. And also my cravings were out of this fucking world. It was crazy because I was always trying to make these foods fit, right?

So I'm happy that you mentioned that because I had that same experience. It was really hard for me to get lean. I never thought that I'd be able to sustainably stay lean just because I liked a lot of these foods. And it took me just getting these foods out of the house, getting these foods totally out of my diet, focusing on eating whole foods. Right. And maybe sometimes every now and then, sometimes I'll have that stuff. But it's not as much as I used to. It took that for me to get to a place where I fully felt in control of my diet. Whereas when I was doing this, like when I was doing, I guess, the bad IIFYM, right? Because, I mean, if Lane were here, he'd be like, that's not IIFYM. But honestly, that's the way most people are doing IIFYM. Most people aren't doing flexible dieting the way you should be doing flexible dieting. And I think in a sense, maybe now I'm doing it the right way, but I'm eating way less of those foods. I don't have cravings for those foods. There's some fasting editing here and there, but it's easier

for me to do. I don't need to think about it. I don't feel like I'm dieting, but what you mentioned, there was guys go watch that episode of Nick, right? Please go listen to it after this. Yeah. I like how he was saying like, it wasn't just like, if I'm going to have another bowl of cereal,

he's like, it was another box. So did I. Cause I'm like, finally someone understands the way I feel, but you are absolutely right. And everyone that's been listening to the podcast probably knows that I've been kind of following this type of flexible dieting for the past couple of months now. And just like anybody who finds

something new, they get super pumped and excited about it. And I still am. And I love the foods that I eat. But you're absolutely right. And SEMA, like the second you kind of open that gate to like, well, I could let it fit. You know, it's sort of like, uh, you allow yourself to, um, be, uh, like vulnerable to those things, you know, like when, when you're fasting and you're not thinking about food, like it doesn't matter, like nothing's going to phase you. But then the second you're like, Ooh, like I think maybe I'll eat within the next, like, you know, 20 minutes or so. Then all of a sudden your stomach starts rumbling and you start getting hungry. So, you know, it's kind of the same thing. Like, Oh, I guess maybe I could make, you know, this,

uh, like, you know, I was, I told you guys here, like I was having halo top, uh, like shakes and stuff. It's like, I don't do that anymore because I'm like, you're being stupid. Like, come on, man. Uh, they're delicious. They are very low in calorie, like under 500 calories for an entire bucket of, of, uh, you know, shake. But now I got rid of the halo top and now it's under 300 or under 400 calories, I should say. So, you know, little things that I'm learning as well, but yeah, dude, it's, um, it's crazy how, like when you just open that gate, you know, to let, allow, you know, some of these bad foods in it's, it's, uh, it, it could get you, it's a double-edged sword for sure. Well, it's kind of like, you know, you brush your teeth and someone's like,

hey, you want, you know, some orange juice? You're like, fuck no, because you, you know, you did something, you did something first to your taste buds, you know, and this could work the opposite direction. You know, you eat a candy bar and it's like, Hey, you want a chicken breast? You're like, no, I want more candy bars. You flip your taste buds kind of inside out is what I like to refer to it. And I think it's the reason why that inside out is what I like to refer to it. And I think it's the reason why that people tend to, uh, you know, kind of cheat on their diets later in the day because you don't, you, you kind of at least know better to like, you know, starting your day off with a donut. It's just not a great place to start. Um,

and you know that the rest of the day is going to be a shit show. You know, if you kind of start there, it'd be not that you can't do it. You certainly can do it. But for me personally, I know it would make it a lot more difficult if I got my taste buds heading in that direction. And that's why, like, I just try not to mess with too many things that I think could get me thinking in that direction. direction but what i have found to be really useful more recently i mean i've completely eliminated uh like cheating on my diet at all like over the last couple weeks um been able to hold it down pretty damn good um and i think some of the differences for me more recently have been just bringing in some like diet sodas like i've been having like zevias and i have like i have a zevia tea i have zevia the soda i'll just order them off amazon i also use a lot of the um

element products i use i use a lot of those i use a lot of the keto vitals and just having those different flavors um it's just freaking awesome you know it's just great to have some of those different flavors and there's been times where i'm like man i just really feel like something sweet and i'll just have like a orange zevia soda which isn't that exciting but to me it's pretty big deal because i don't really drink soda anyway so um i just say whatever you got to do and i i have to agree with uh greg doucette which we'll have to have him on the show at some point but um he says zero calories zero harm fucking great way to look at stuff zero calories zero harm and our our boy ron penna who studies cancer uh pretty extensively he told us eat and drink as much

diet crap as you can it's pretty much what he told us we're like well what about cancer and what about this what about that he's like you'll be fine but anyway i think that it is a good idea to uh incorporate those things if they can assist you away from uh otherwise as you know coming a bunch of calories that you probably don't need you know that oh god no i was just gonna say i just wrote real quick like about like tracking and you know making stuff that your macros i think it is still a good um idea to at least learn it because like yesterday i looked at a bag of uh like just tortilla chips and i'm like oh that sounds good and i just flipped it around next thing i know i'm like oh that has you know like i think it was like 190 calories per

serving and you know what's a serving it's's like, you know, like a couple of chips, right? So things like that, that you'll learn to kind of understand like, Oh shit, that is not worth it. Like, I'm not going to do that because it's going to mess up my entire day. But yeah, that's all I have. What'd you got in Suma? Dude. Okay. So another thing that I used to do that probably all of us used to do is I used to have the gallon jug with my BCAs in it. I would carry that around with me all the time, every single day. I never thought it was weird. I just thought I was making the gains go all day long, but unnecessary. And Mark, to your point, I think one of the biggest chain, like one of the biggest supplements that has made a difference for me has been electrolytes.

I was using them before we had Chris Irvin, keto guy, Chris Irvin. He was the guy that was talking a lot about electrolytes on the podcast and how much they help with performance, how good they are with fasting. And if there is a supplement that has made a big difference in terms of me being able to perform well while being fasted, not being able to cramp up, it's electrolytes. Whether it's Element, which I really dig, keto vitals taste really good. electrolytes, whether it's element, which I really dig, keto vitals taste really good. Having that, especially when fasted, like I can drink that. And if I was feeling like I wanted to eat something, it kind of goes away almost immediately. It could be partially because of you're getting a different flavor, but also because I mean, you're sweating, you're getting some sodium, potassium, magnesium, and you're probably mixing up being hungry for potentially just wanting needing to hydrate and being thirsty which

rather than just drinking water right electrolytes will actually hydrate you that's been one of the biggest supplements that's kind of been another lever for me to be able to pull so it's it's dope that you mentioned that it makes a big difference yeah and water will actually dehydrate you too if you drink you know you drink you can kind of drink too much water you shouldn't be shouldn't be drinking so much water to where your pee is like completely clear all day long all the time so it's just something to kind of keep in mind i don't think i don't think under most circumstances that people really need like a gallon might be a little, uh, excessive, but, um, I guess it would depend on each person.

But I also know that you can teach yourself to like, really feel like you need a ton of water. And I don't think that's great either. And Cole Robinson touched upon that on our show where he was just like, a lot of people drink way too much water. You know, it's kind of hard to figure out the exact right amount, but usually like if your performance in the gym is good and you you know, you feel pretty good. Otherwise usually you're okay.

I would just say like make sure you specifically drink some water every day, like just flat out water, you know, because I think that we're drinking coffee and tea and soda and things like that. And we're probably not, we're probably not really actually drinking much water at all so just make sure you have some but you don't need to carry around a gallon with you yeah and i'd say the the element electrolytes are definitely the best ones i've ever had um what's amazing so like yeah i'm i'm kind of on the cheap side so i'll actually just mix like a big, uh, like a cup

or shaker cup of water with like some other BCAs and I'll throw element in there as well. And I just keep refilling that all day long. And I mean, people are not salting random foods, like we'll salt like sweets or whatever, and I'll, I'll salt my BCAs. And in this case, the, uh, the salt from, or the sodium from um element makes everything just taste even better it's so weird like i never would have thought that adding salt to like literally everything would make it taste better but um being able to get i think it's like a thousand milligrams or something like that in each packet and the flavored ones are only 10 calories i don't it's seriously like everyone needs to

go try these uh these electrolytes they're they're they're amazing yeah it's a thousand milligrams of sodium 200 potassium 60 magnesium and like dude uh like i used to cramp up quite a bit during jujitsu especially towards the latter end of a session um and i was thinking uh maybe it's just because i'm fasting too long. Maybe I got to eat some extra foods tonight. So this doesn't happen. But ever since I started using electrolytes before every single session, I don't cramp anymore, no matter how much I go, no matter how much I sweat, it makes a very big difference. So if you're a powerlifter, a bodybuilder, a performance athlete, doesn't matter if you're fasting or not,

lifter, a bodybuilder, a performance athlete, doesn't matter if you're fasting or not, this should be part of what you use because a lot of us, bodybuilders don't salt their food that much. That's kind of a trend within that. Right. Um, and they do cramp up a bit if that's the case. So it's just, it's super damn useful. It's, it's super useful. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Element products, just so people know, you know, they, they are salty. I mean, they even like kind of brag about it. It says it on the side of the package. And so some people might find them to be salty, but just, just be aware of that. Like they, they are salty. I actually enjoy the taste of them. It sounds like you guys dig them too. They have unflavored ones, which I think some people are like, well, why would they have

unflavored? But as weird or as funny as it sounds, you can even use the unflavored ones which i think some people are like well why would they have unflavored uh but as weird or as funny as it sounds you can even use the unflavored ones and you can use them as salt you can use them put them on you can put them on a steak or you can uh throw them in with uh whatever your favorite uh yeah whatever your favorite protein shake is yeah it's great i mean it's a good way to add some uh potassium and some you know nutrients, nutrients to your, to your meals. Now they also make some weird flavors. Now they have like some sort of spicy one. Yeah. Yeah. Chili is something or other.

And they have a chocolate one too, which the chocolate one is really good. I had that a few days ago mixed with some slingshot protein and it was fricking awesome. So anyway, I think you guys should give them a shot. I have to do another podcast in a little bit, but I think next episode that we do we should kind of stay on this same topic, but talk, you know, a little bit more in terms of lifting, you know, because when it comes to stupid lifting stuff I don't know,

I don't think anybody on this show has me beat. I've done like inch on the arms and one day program and all kinds of stupid stuff. So we can get, we can get into that, that, that program is like where you stay at the gym all day and you just keep eating and you do curls in between basically. It was amazing. I just couldn't move my arms forever and they didn't really, you know, budge at all, but wow. We get more into that on the next show. Andrew, take us out of here. Yeah.

Well, now you got the wheels turning. I'm thinking the the spicy element sodium packets like marinating in some carne asada. Like that would be insanely good because it'd be kind of sweet and salty and then throw it on the grill. Like, oh, my God. Like, yes. OK. Anyway, sorry. I got excited. Thank you, everybody God. Like, yes. Okay. Anyway, sorry. I got

excited. Uh, thank you everybody for checking out today's episode. Um, if you let us know what your mistakes are, let us know if you guys made the same ones we did, or if you took it a step further and did something even more, you know, bigger, a bigger mistake, that'd be funny. Uh, if we can all just hang out in the chat or in the comment section and talk about all the things that we screwed up, please make sure you're following the podcast at Mark Bell's power project on Instagram at MB power project on Twitter. And of course, subscribe here, hit us up on Facebook and on LinkedIn. My Instagram is at I am Andrew Z and Seema where you at?

I didn't see my Indian on Instagram or YouTube. I didn't see my yin yang on Twitter. Check out you in my YouTube channel because I just, there's a bunch of new smooth Panther videos and there's a video on the top five habits that allow me to lose body fat. Quite a bit of stuff was talked about in this podcast, but it's on the channel now. So check it out. Nice. Mark. Cool. Uh, one more dumb thing to add into the mix and, but I still actually do this. So I guess, I guess maybe I've never learned no i i uh i eat all my food with a spoon and part of the reason is like i don't want to miss out on like not getting all the

nutrients in so like i dump i dump bone broth on just about everything too so uh i want to kind of make sure i you know soak some of that up but it all started uh many years ago when i did uh dan duchesne's body opus diet and i would get like the fattest ground beef that i could and i would eat it with a spoon and i'd like slurp up my brother thought it was like the grossest thing he's ever seen in his life i'd like slurp up these like spoonfuls of fat with like each thing of beef that i would uh i would eat because i thought you know i for some reason i i kind of thought when i was on that uh style of diet that the more fat that you ate the more fat that you ate,

the more fat that you would burn type of thing. And so I just, I didn't really understand all the principles behind it. So I figured I'd leave you guys with that. I'm at Mark's Millie Bell strength is never weakness. Weakness never strength. Catch y'all later.