Mark Bell's Power Project - EP. 475 - Remain Hungry For Success

Episode Date: January 28, 2021

Why do we see athletes start off with nothing and make it to the top, only to fizzle out once they get there? How do some remain at the top? How do they stay hungry? We dive into this topic in today's conversation. Subscribe to the NEW Power Project Newsletter! ➢ https://bit.ly/2JvmXMb Subscribe to the Podcast on on Platforms! ➢ https://lnk.to/PowerProjectPodcast Special perks for our listeners below! ➢LMNT Electrolytes FREE SAMPLE PACK until Jan. 31, 2021: http://bit.ly/3bxyMND ➢Piedmontese Beef: https://www.piedmontese.com/ Use Code "POWERPROJECT" at checkout for 25% off your order plus FREE 2-Day Shipping on orders of $99 ➢Sling Shot: https://markbellslingshot.com/ Enter Discount code, "POWERPROJECT" at checkout and receive 15% off all Sling Shots Follow Mark Bell's Power Project Podcast ➢ Insta: https://www.instagram.com/markbellspowerproject ➢ https://www.facebook.com/markbellspowerproject ➢ Twitter: https://twitter.com/mbpowerproject ➢ LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/powerproject/ ➢ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/markbellspowerproject ➢TikTok: http://bit.ly/pptiktok FOLLOW Mark Bell ➢ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/marksmellybell ➢ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/MarkBellSuperTraining ➢ Twitter: https://twitter.com/marksmellybell ➢ Snapchat: marksmellybell ➢Mark Bell's Daily Workouts, Nutrition and More: https://www.markbell.com/ Follow Nsima Inyang ➢ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nsimainyang/ Podcast Produced by Andrew Zaragoza ➢ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/iamandrewz #PowerProject #Podcast #MarkBell

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All right. I get it. Carnivore King. I think you're pushing the envelope a little too far. Carnivore King's poo. Oh God. He a little too far oh god he was just haha every single line haha like what was odd but it was odd as there was like uh there was like a good amount of weird comments on that particular video for some reason i don't know what's going on with everybody but uh maybe it's mating season or something i don't know probably the carnivores uh making everyone's test levels go up a little bit.

And so people are getting, getting into that mode. Oh, yeah. People are feeling excited, I guess. Looking shy. Yeah. That's a little fetish. That's weird. I love when it's specific, you know, like that's, that makes it even funnier.

Yeah. It's like, Oh, okay. That's great. Yo, real quick. Have you guys heard, we have a great topic today too, but I don't know if you guys heard about this.

You guys have watched black mirror, right? Oh yeah. Okay. So apparently, um, I don't know which company is doing this, but they're trying to,

and they're, they're getting to a point where they want to, um, make like take videos and audio of someone you love. OK, so that when they die, they're going to make an AI version of that individual or like a computer recorded version that you can have discussion with and talk to. And they're they're literally doing this right now. And you remember that episode of Black Mirror? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Were that like in a while. Yeah, it was like a skin bag.

I wish I could remember who they did it with, but they did, maybe it was a hologram. Oh, yeah. There's a guy that you can interview, this guy. You can ask him any questions, and he's artificial intelligence. Wow. You can ask him, like, was, how was your week? You know, and he,

he has enough artificial intelligence to where he can talk to you that way. And he can talk to you about how he grew up and stuff. It's somebody like kind of famous. I wish I could, I wish I could remember more on it, but there's something I saw on like 60 minutes or something like that. And wow wow that is crazy i remember the tupac hologram concert you remember that a few years ago where they just had

the hologram tupac on stage and people were digging it right we need a hologram of our boy kobe right it was uh it was a year ago you know i think uh with everything that happened it seemed like three or four years have gone by doesn't it yeah or is that just me no it seems like happened, it seemed like three or four years have gone by, doesn't it? Yeah. Or is that just me? No, it seems like it's been a minute. Yeah, it seems like it was kind of a while ago. Yeah.

Yeah, when we were doing the year review show, just going back, checking out the episodes, and we were like, oh, yeah, that's when we started podcasting from home. And then, oh, I remember, it just, yeah. Tons of stuff did happen. We were all locked down, but so much happened. And then thinking back to last year, exactly a year ago, that did seem forever ago, like crazy. Yeah, Kobe Bryant's death, and we were down in Los Angeles,

and I don't know, someone messaged me, and I read it, and I remember reading it out loud. I read it because I was surprised. I read it out loud. I didn't mean to deliver a message to you guys that way, but I was like stunned. I didn't know what to do. And then all of us were sad and stunned and depressed and all that. But it's weird to think that that was only a year ago.

And then also we were kind of in the middle of, we were talking with Sean Baker that weekend. We were talking with Paul Saladino. We had Phil DeRue on the podcast. We had a bunch of people on the podcast because it was coinciding with the Fit Expo. And I don't think we even went to the Fit Expo, but we went to that Korean barbecue or Brazilian steakhouse.

Holy shit. That place was good. We ate a lot of meat. I got sickly full. Oh yeah, we saw Elliot Hulse that night too. That's right. Walking in with a big of meat. Yeah. I got sickly full. Oh, yeah. We saw Elliot Hulse that night, too, I think. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. Walking in with a big old beard and shit.

Uh-huh. Looks like a shaman, man. Yeah. Doing a strongman competition. And then that was the first time Insima and I had a Legendary Foods Tasty Pastry. Oh, yeah. That was the first one of 10,000. Those are so good.

And I think a Keto Brick maybe even, too, right? Because I brought some Keto Bricks with me. Yeah. We actually lived off of those. Yeah. I think we have the keto brick guy scheduled to be on the show. He made a new one. He made a chocolate peanut butter cup.

And that one's really, really good. I mean, he's nailed it on a couple. I mean, they're all pretty good, but he nailed it on a couple of them. But I can't wait to have him on the show because it's like kind of a funny thing. It has 100 grams of fat and it has a thousand calories like who would think to make a thousand calorie bar I'm very curious This is like yeah What just came across his mind one day when he's like I just need to make a fat bar like just a pure fat high calorie

What market? Right, but like people love it and it's good. Yeah he's, I mean, yeah, he's doing well with it. He's selling it. You know, it's crazy to think that Kobe died right before all the coronavirus stuff hit. You know, it's just odd. It's like he never saw any of that, right? And, you know, when you think back to that time, you're like, Kobe died. And then the whole world went to hell. It seemed like everything just everything just kind of went from there.

And, you know, I don't think anything has has anything to do with anything. But it was just really interesting set of circumstances. And 2020 was really weird. And then 2021 started out kind of weird too yeah new president uh you know the was the capital raid was in january right was it early january i think so yeah yeah 2021's been pretty eventful too yeah i saw some memes where they're like oh i'm glad 2021 starting out differently and there's like somebody jumping through the window or whatever yeah i've been hearing that like 2021 is or it's not actually 2021 it's just the dlc pack for 2020 i thought that was great yeah it's like 2020 b yeah yeah have you ever seen the meme of 2021

as in w-o-n oh shit oh man, man. That's a good one. Yeah. Sadly. Our, you know, we're all fans of Kobe Bryant. We're all fans of sports. We're all fans of just people kind of kicking ass in sports. Mm-hmm.

And Seema had a chance to watch the Tiger documentary. I saw. Andrew, did you get a chance to watch it? No, I have not, no. It's a great documentary. I think you'll really

dig it. Unlike the Jordan thing, the Jordan was that called the dance last last dance, the last dance. Yeah. Unlike the Michael Jordan documentary, this doesn't have Tiger Woods in it and it doesn't have, uh, his wife, his ex-wife's not in it. Like, you know, a lot of the, his, uh, his dad has passed, right. But his, his mother's not in it. So there's not really a lot of people that are really, uh, that close to him like that. It's kind of all like formers, you know, uh, it's people that are like kind of former,

uh, former friends of his. But anyway, what we're going to talk about here today is do you need to be hungry to be great at something? Um, because it seems like most of the best people ever are really hungry and not only are they hungry, but they, they have like a chip on their shoulder from something that happened. chip on their shoulder from something that happened. Um,

I know Vince McMahon, uh, was abused heavily as, as a child. And, uh, he, he,

he, I think he, he made a statement of saying like, if you don't, if you don't, he got beat so bad that he said, if you, if you don't kill me, then I fucking won.

Then fuck you. And I'm going to, I'm going to make a success of myself. Like what a crazy, like what a wild uh upbringing yeah um and that's what we're gonna discuss today like do you need like crazy shit to happen like that you need to be told that you're you're never gonna be anything um like do you need that to spawn a hunger inside of you that otherwise maybe wouldn't be there. Cause like, do you just really want to be good at archery like randomly or do you want to be really good at archery because, uh,

you tried it and you sucked, you were finished dead last and someone told you, you know what, you're, you're shit at this. And then you tried it again and it turns out you don't even have that great a vision. But you still figure, you know, people figure stuff out. You know, there's people that are blind that do all kinds of amazing, amazing things.

There's people that are deaf that do all kinds of amazing things. There's people that are born with one leg that do all, like, do we, but do we, what I would like to kind of concentrate on, do we need that to be hungry? And also, let's talk about that hunger piece. Do you need to be hungry to be great? You know, I think it, what you were talking about in terms of having a chip on your shoulder,

or do you have to be hungry? I think one person who did that, but probably to a, to, to a kind of maybe insane level was Jordan. Cause when you do watch the last dance, the constant theme is that Jordan Jordan would continuously Create enemies in his mind even if he really didn't have enemies like there's this one game that they were talking about where he said

Oh, yeah, he he said this to me or whatever and guys like what? I didn't say anything to you But in Jordan said he's like yeah He said that to me or like there's this player that, there's this guy that people are like, oh, he's the next Jordan. Jordan was like, oh really? You think he's the next Jordan? I'll fucking show you who Jordan is.

And then he just like wrecked this dude for no reason. You know what I mean? Like, it's just a total annihilation too. It's not like he went out and scored 30 points like he normally does. It's like he went out and scored like 60 points. And then shut the other guy down. Yeah, like, defensively, you know, and there's been stuff. So when he was going against the Detroit Pistons,

they talked about how he wasn't strong enough, and then what did he do? He hired a trainer. He got with the trainer. He gained like 10, 15 pounds, and that was never, like it was never an issue ever again for the rest of his career. And that was never like it was never an issue ever again. The rest of his career, you never saw incidences where Jordan was like unprepared or look tired or you never saw any of that where.

Sometimes with some of these other athletes, we have seen some of that with Mike Tyson fighting Buster Douglas. He was out of shape. He was clearly out of shape. He got tired. Buster Douglas fought a great fight and he ended up, he ended up losing the fight. But even Mike Tyson, you know, you could say,

look, man, that guy might've been the hungriest person ever. Like he was hungry to be great. He wanted to be great here. Here's some of my thoughts on some of this. So I think that ultimately what, what you really have to have more so than anything else is a skill set. You need to have a skill set.

So sometimes you just kind of, you have a skill set that is, let's say you're in fifth grade. Sometimes you have a skill set that is of varsity level, of varsity high school level, and you're in fifth grade. We see that sometimes. Sometimes on a baseball field, there'll be a kid that gets up, and he's got a freaking mustache, and he's 12. And when he grabs the bat and when he stands there,

you're like, okay, why is this kid even on this? This is ridiculous you know like the kid belongs somewhere else he doesn't he doesn't fit in because he's exponentially uh that much greater than everybody so that kid from a genetic standpoint was born with some gifts he has enough size he's got enough weight um and then there's something else burning inside of him whether it's a drive from a parent that is you you know, kind of, I guess, maybe forcing him to do that or he's trying to get recognition from dad or from mom or whomever. But I think the thing that we're I think the main thing is that you acquire a skill set. How do you get a skill set, though?

Because you you would have to be hungry to get a skill set. You have to really like you have to really love you'd have to really love what you do and sometimes you have to love what you do to the detriment of other things and that to me is the big separator between now there's so many different ways of doing this when i think of all the great athletes over the years brett farve was having a lot of fun brett farve uh would shake hands with people on the sidelines and he'd like put it in put her in the old vice grip and he would like mess around and pretend like he had the super strong hand he was just like goofing around he'd smack people on the ass all the time do all kinds of uh silly things on the sidelines he would

just sprint up and down the sidelines and like yell. And, um, you could tell that he was having a hell of a time on a football field. And he, he won a lot of championships. He was, uh, he's a hall of fame football player. Yeah. Then there's the other side of it with someone like a Dan Marino,

Dan Marino, uh, had all the passing records. He did all kinds of crazy stuff himself. He never did win a super bowl, but he was an, he was an amazing athlete. He was an amazing quarterback.

And the way that he handled it, his version of how he could be great was to be like super pissed off all the time. And so it didn't always mesh great with the other players. I think he might have been a difficult guy to to go to bat for. But he could throw a football equally as good as Brett Favre. He had, you know, he had a skill set. Yeah, that actually might might be on match. I mean, no one had a faster.

He was famous for having this fast release. He can get rid of a football super fast. So he never got sacked. And even though he couldn't move, he could probably run a 40 in like an hour. And even though he couldn't move, he could probably run a 40 in like an hour. But the point here is like. We need to have a skill set. So how do we how do we acquire the skill set?

And do you have to have a lot of hunger to get that? I think that when it comes to the skill set portion of things, I think of athletes like like first off LeBron and Roger Federer and the reason why I'm mentioning those two athletes is like when you look at Jordan right and obviously you see the face that he puts in front of people but you also you saw the documentary and you saw how he was you're like damn that's an athlete that put everything in but sacrificed a

lot on maybe like the mental side or like he he had a lot of vices that maybe allowed him to be able to do so well like just really love to gamble etc um when you look at like lebron you only see what like he chooses to show the media but he seems to have a healthy family life his kids seem to be doing well his wife he's an alien he's an alien this guy man he's 37 exactly he's 37 years old still arguably with a lot of people saying he's the best player in the NBA at 37. It's insane. And you look at Roger Federer also. Also, I think he has four kids, one wife.

He's still like he's number five ranked, but he has multiple records in tennis. A lot of people would say he's the best tennis player of all time. You've never seen any drama at least publicly in his career right but he's great he's amazing um it seems that these guys have been able to hone in on their skill sets hone in on the things that they're great at yeah concentrating on it without maybe detriment into their life their personality their family um unless something comes out in the future. Like it does seem to be that that is possible. Right. So I do think it's very possible.

But like, obviously, you have to be interested in that thing. You can't just be good on it. It has to be actually something you're interested in. And yeah, you just got to you got to be able to I hate I hate this idea, but. Kind of balance it in the best way possible with your life, even though like, I hate, I hate this idea, but kind of balance it in the West, best way possible with your life. Even though like, you know, LeBron's probably spending more time on the court than he is all the time with his kids for sure.

Right. But at the, at the same time, like he has a great wife there that's helping out and, you know, makes things manageable for his family. There's probably like we, Andrew and I had a conversation about being like a role player. And I think this is the reason why a lot of people choose in life to be a quote unquote role player, because the reach to try to be great at something can sometimes be really dangerous. And you could sometimes end up in in. Like, it's great to be Michael jordan like it must have been it must have been amazing in so many different ways um but things that are uh things that things that uh i

guess so michael jordan can do things that nobody else could do absolutely Absolutely. But what about the simple stuff? Like the simple stuff? Uh, like it's, I guess it's not simple necessarily. Uh, but what about like his marriage? You know, like,

you know what I'm saying? Like there's things like that. I'm not trying to poke holes and I'm not trying to place judgment on anything because nobody's perfect. So I don't even, I don't really even care about that. But what my point is, is that when you are striving for something so much, you might be missing out on something else.

Yeah. When you're trying to be the strongest athlete in the world, which we've seen a lot with powerlifting, your health is probably going to be compromised. Uh, being lean and being in good shape is great. But when do you start leaning towards that bodybuilding, uh, trying to be the best bodybuilder, trying to be the leanest bodybuilder. Well, now you're 2% body fat. A lot of things are going to shut down in your system. A lot of, you're going to be, you're going towards something so hard and so fast

that you left other stuff out. We've seen a lot of bodybuilders really not care much about their relationships where they have somebody, but they just are like, they're not into it because all they really care about, and we've seen it with athletes too, but they just are like, they're not into it because all they really care about. And we've seen it with athletes too. Just, they're just so into what they're doing.

It's not even like they're cheating or doing other things. They just literally are so submerged in what they're doing that they don't give a shit about other things. And so I think this is a reason why a lot of people choose to be a role player. Like, I don't want a reason why a lot of people choose to be a role player. Like, I don't want to make all those decisions. Yeah. Um, in, in our, in my, our business here at slingshot, um, you know, I, I had an invention, I created a product and created products around that and created a business. But as soon as people started asking questions, I'm like,

I'm not doing this. Like, I don't want any part of this. So my wife does that. She stepped in and she plays the boss, you know, or however you want to say it. I think that a lot of times people think they would love to be in charge. But man, like being in charge is really, really. Being in charge is really, really being in charge is really, really tough. I mean, imagine if someone just gave you let's just say someone gave you one hundred thousand dollars and they said, I want you to spread this one hundred thousand dollars to local businesses that are in Sacramento. Well, that would be awesome, right?

But let's say it's like public and right now. Why didn't you give it to me? Yeah, now. Yeah. Now we have now we have like give it to me? Yeah. Now, yeah. Now we have, now we have like some issues, right? Yeah. Why'd you give, why'd you give a thousand bucks to Makuni? Like they're always kicking ass, right? Or these different places. Right. And then it becomes, it just becomes something that's really, really hard to do. So being in charge is a really tough task. And I think a lot of times people are like, you I'm gonna when the chips are down I'm gonna pass

the ball to Encima like I'm pretty good at making shots but I've seen Encima frequently miss that trash can I actually haven't seen him make one oh here we go let's see oh he's got the knees in it

oh he's good at hitting the refrigerator I was aiming for the fridge you know but anyway you get my point like there's some people that are kind of starving to have the ball Oh, he's going to hit in the refrigerator. Yeah, I was aiming for the fridge, you know. But anyway, you get my point. Like there's some people that are kind of starving to have the ball at the end of the game. There's other people who are like, oh, you know, I practice a lot. And these might even be people who've been frustrated with the coach in the past. And they might be people that are like, I work my ass off.

And now there's five seconds left. And now the chips are down and the game's on the line.'re like oh i should probably pass if i'm being if i'm being honest over here you know oh god i was gonna say so like that conversation's uh like i you know this was a question i posed to mark and there was multiple answers for it but what it came down to was us talking about robert ory um you know eight rings or seven seven rings yeah and what it came down to was us talking about Robert Ori, you know, eight rings or seven, seven rings. Yeah. And what it came down to was like,

he's, you know, a lot of people aren't going to consider him the greatest of all time. It's like, no, it's Michael Jordan. It's like Michael Jordan had six rings and Robert Ori had seven. And I mean,

he was big shot, Bob. He destroyed the Kings and my life for a little bit, but you know yeah exactly what mark was saying like do you want all these responsibilities do you want to be you know the guy that gets interviewed at the end of the game when you lose and then as in regards to like the the money thing you were talking about mark like yeah like i i don't have like the infrastructure to spread out you know a hundred thousand dollars within the you know the you know community. Like, I just don't have those connections. Like I'm not prepared for

that. So like, it would be really, really freaking hard. I'm sure somebody's like, Oh, I'll take a shot at it. Like, but you, you know, I don't have a hundred thousand dollars because I'm not ready for a hundred thousand dollars when, when I am, that's when I will acquire it. Right. And even, and even if somebody, you know, somebody has to give it to you and say, Hey, you know, distribute this out to these different companies, even if you were like, okay, well, I'm going to give it to the companies that are doing the worst. And somebody is like, well, why would you reward that? You know, like, and then you need like some sort of a, you need a lot of reasons for it,

but good leaders, they, they're able to somehow ignore a lot of that. They're able to of, you need a lot of reasons for it, but good leaders, they, they're able to somehow ignore a lot of that. They're able to say, you know what? No, this is what I believe in. This is what I'm going towards. This is what I'm going to do.

I'm doing the, I'm doing things this way. I'm going to, you know, rather than take, rather than take the three point shot, I'm going to drive to the lane and, and hit the layup.

Cause I know we can get the ball back and maybe score one more time. Like just unconventional thought, unconventional things. Uh, that's what leaders and that's what people that are great are going to do. And, you know, when, like, when you look at the family portion of things, like let me use you as an example, you know, you, you have this, what you're trying to do, but you also have someone next to you, Andy, who can take responsibilities on the other end of things. And who's also has this shared purpose and shared goal with you know what you're you know know what you're going towards and i feel like when you look at people guys that are bodybuilding or power letters etc um you were talking about like failed relationships but maybe you know at you as the

athlete need to be very honest with the person you're with this is what i'm trying to. This is what it's going to take during these seasons when I'm deep in competition. This is what's going to happen. Are you going to be able to ride with me? Just like you and the people here at Slingshot, right? You know, the exact way to handle it, right? Like, I really, I really enjoy doing this. This is part of my life. You know, I want to make sure you're OK with this.

And this is what I'm going to do. And when I'm training for bodybuilding or when I'm going towards that jujitsu tournament, like I just might be like a little bit less available and I might be a little bit of an asshole. Like there's there's really no excuse to be like disrespectful or to be. But you can kind of you can kind of preface it by saying, I'm just going to be a little bit different for a period of time. And if I'm different afterwards, fucking come talk to me, you know, make sure that I can

kind of get back on track. Absolutely. So I think that like, but you know, one thing I was thinking about with all this too, is the, I guess the severity of certain sports, right? I would, oddly enough, you know, when I was thinking about this, when you were talking,

um, powerlifting, right? Major strain on the body over a long period of time, bodybuilding, major strain on the body, especially when you're prepping changes, your mood changes,

your hormones. Um, it can be annoying for whoever you're with. Um, fighting blows to the head, blows to the body, whether you're a boxer or whatever whatever football somebody's got to watch you doing that shit yeah somebody's got to watch you doing that right football again getting hit hit hit especially depending on your position right over time but like when you look at guys that like play basketball tennis uh you know

soccer baseball these great athletes i feel that it is probably easier to, I can, it's, it's not easy to be great, but it's probably less strain to be great in those sports because of the, I guess it's not as strenuous on the body over time, you know, because I was thinking the whole reason like this whole came up was because I

was, I watched the Connor and Dustin fight and you guys have seen how nice Connor has been oh yeah you know he's been having these meetings with tony robbins and i think the last fight he won versus uh cowboy serrani tony robbins came out and gave him a hug and he was talking about all the stuff they've been doing together and even before this fight connor was like being super cool and super nice with dustin post fight interview uh the interviewer asks him about his daughter and he starts to break down and cry a little bit it's like i'm happy for you connor but maybe he doesn't have that edge anymore you know it's like do you need that do you need that aggressive streak do you need

that chip on your shoulder to you know to to be great in that sense yeah he's not throwing what a dolly through uh the side of a bus or whatever, right? Like not toxic. Yeah. Losing some of that, uh, anger.

And I would say that like, you know, having money and having more convenience and stuff, it can definitely make you complacent, but we still see like, we still see some savages. We still see some people out there, um,

thinking of someone like Hugh Jackman, you know, deadlifting like 4 hundred sixty five pounds. He stays in amazing shape. He's not only a famous actor in movies, but he's also he also does plays. He can sing. I mean, it's like it's unbelievable. Right.

You can do all these different things. Really, really talented person. Right. So things don't and things seem to be pretty good for him like that doesn't i have not heard and again we don't know what happens behind closed doors with some people but what i would say you know going back to lebron james for a minute when you're when you're when you're skilled and when you're skilled and you have gratitude towards the gifts that you have, he clearly has some gifts, right? I mean, he's 6'8", he's 250.

In terms of the body weight thing, he has kept himself at that weight. He's kept himself in shape. So there's definitely a lot of work that goes into it. And everybody knows how hard LeBron James works. But even just being born six, eight is, is a, is a real roll of the dice,

you know? Yeah. Does he have other people in his family that are six, eight? He probably has, I don't even know if he has got brothers or whatever, but they're not him, right?

They're not able to, to, to do what, what he's able to do. But if you can, the less that you have to do to be great the easier it would be to maybe not have to be so angry or or uh the less likely that you'd probably be to be destructive because of the time consumption that it would take so if you're if you're uh if you're pretty good at football and you play your junior and sophomore year

and you're pretty good, maybe let's say this particular athlete is good enough to get looked at by some colleges. Let's say this athlete starts to lift and they're stronger and their goal is to go division one they're trying everything they can it kind of turns out they're just not quite good enough uh they run a four nine instead of like a four seven you know and they're just they just they they weren't really not just born but they they they don't have the ability at the moment to be as fast as they need to be.

Let's say that they take steroids and let's say that they want to be a little stronger, a little bigger, like I'm going to play a different position. Well, this person's already kind of reaching. And let's say they're only two, let's say they're 250. And now they're starting to think, well, maybe I should play a different position. And for that position, I'd have to be bigger. So we're already talking about spending a lot of time and energy on you just trying to figure out how to get a division one scholarship right if you're to get if you're to like kind of barely get a division one scholarship

where does that leave you when you go to the school like are you going to be able to play it's gonna be very hard right whereas there might be some other kids on the team that have some real natural talents. They're fucking phenomenal at football. They kind of just get the game and with a lot less training, with a lot less intervention, with no steroids, with they're able to catch the ball, they're able to run faster, able to do all these things. They just have a lot less stuff to reach for. are able to do all these things, they just have a lot less stuff to like reach for. Yeah. So you can kind of already see that, that, that one person has to get so obsessed with it that, that it might really pull on some other parts of their life and where the other

person, and it, you know, it can go either way because sometimes the guy that is really gifted, sometimes he doesn't have enough, uh, you know, people will say like, oh man, I wish the guy had a little more fight in him or had a little grit. Yeah. A little bit, a little bit more grit to him. You know, things like that. We hear that a lot. And so it's a really interesting thing because you're at some point you got to be balanced out. Otherwise you're going to be pulling so hard in one direction that some other parts of your life are going to probably fall apart. You might not have a personal life. You might not have relationships and so forth. You know, what, what you were saying there really makes, makes me think it's like, if

let's say you play football, um, and you really want to be a quarterback, right? But you are really a good kicker. Like you're an amazing kicker and a subpar quarterback, right? Are you okay with falling into your role? Even like falling into being the kicker because that is what you're an amazing kicker and a subpar quarterback, right? Are you okay with falling into your role? Even like falling into being the kicker because that is what you're good at. Like, I was thinking of when I was focusing on powerlifting, I had really great skill when it came to the deadlift and my squat was heading in that direction too. Like that was progressing, but the bench, which is something that just over time, slow,

slow, slow, slow, slow. Right. And I was just like, how, how deep do I want to get into these waters? Right. I can be good or I can maybe focus on something else that I'm a bit more interested in. When I started training jujitsu, I was still focused on powerlifting, but I just found that I was so much more interested in that sport. Right. And it's not like I was a natural at anything, but I just was so much more interested athletically.

And when I started like concentrating on it, it's like, there was a lot of things that I figured out. I was like, wow, I could, I could actually probably get really good at this. So I,

I shifted into something that maybe fit me better. Right. So it's, it would be, it would, you know, I never want to doubt anything that anyone can do.

Cause I don't really know. I don't really know what someone can do, but it would be really fucking hard for you to win an IPF champion championship, right? Like it would just be real, like these people, these guys, there are, they're so strong. And let's just say that you kind of started to go for it. Well, you could already just see like how much of your life will be flipped upside down. You're going to have to be like 290 or something, you know, and there's a lot of things. It'll even pull against your own health, you know, and then you're like, well, do I want to?

With jujitsu, it seems like you're lined up pretty well for it. To at least be in contention to at least, you know be on the mat for some world championships like who knows what happens and who you face and whatever but and who knows where your career ends up but i mean it's it's a a 100 lock that you'll eventually be a black belt you've you you've uh gone through the belts uh pretty pretty uh quickly you're progressing really. Seems like you always get better. Seems like you want to get better. You're healthy. You take care. I mean, so the amount of, and you also work. You have

a puppy. You got a girlfriend. You have other things going on, right? You're able to manage multiple things at a time where, and I don't see you like, you don't seem like real stressed about it. No,

no, I don't see you like frantic and like hustling around. You know, I don't see any, it looks like, it looks like these things are, are all, uh,

there for you at some point and you work very hard at it. So you deserve it. But I don't see, I don't see you having a chip on your shoulder. I don't see you being like angry about anything. Do you, for you personally, have you,

have you used that before? Have you, is there something from your past or something? Is there, is there something inside of you? Like I gotta fucking prove myself. Or is it like, I just want to continue to get better at this and just kind of see where it

goes. Um, I think when I was like maybe a teenager uh playing soccer all teenagers use that right yeah yeah when i was a teenager playing soccer i worked with a lot of anger but as i got older um you know bodybuilding there was never any type of anger that went into my training when it came to power lifting i would attempt like initially i would attempt that just because i saw a lot of other people doing it but i i very quickly found out that like i don't work well off of that i actually i i work worse when i'm working off of like having a fake chip or you know trying to amp myself up and be angry

and i just realized that i'm just i just got to do something because i like it a lot and like when when i was getting stronger with powerlifting it was just like i i just liked it a lot right i didn't work off of any anger or anything the jujitsu it's the same thing i freaking like it i like watching it i like doing it and it's it's a it's a real passionate interest of mine which allows me to go back onto that every single day and and train happy right but that's that thing that's that thing where i wonder like you, you look at Conor, he's all happy. He gets KO'd. Like, can I get there without like when I meet that opponent who's who's hungry and he's just like mad, like, hmm, I wonder. We'll see who's hungry at that point, who's hungry at that point. But, you know, real quick, I want to keep going down this path.

But when you guys were watching that fight, I know Phil Daru is our man. Phil Daru is our guy. Shout out to Phil. Shout out to phil congratulations and congratulations destiny that was an amazing fight i will say though and this is coming from the eyes of somebody who's not like in mma or whatever when i was watching connor fight bro when he came out initially you guys both saw the fight right when when he came out in round one i was like connor has this fight. That's what went through my head.

Because when I don't know if he's great, he looked like he was in great shape. He looked fast, fast. And I don't know if you guys realize this man's face. He hadn't like there was nothing on his face. He was like he was just dodging. He was doing some weird ninja shit with with Dustin's feet. Like it really looked like he was in control that he had. It looked like he was in actual control. And it felt like when when he lost it was kind of like he just got too cocky because when you rewatch that portion where he was like losing like he when he when he lost he was dodging

some shit but he didn't have his hands up he was just and then he got hit and clipped and boom he got knocked down i felt like he got cocky but he i feel like he had it before that it's almost like when you think you're gonna beat someone in a race and you let up. And you're like, oh, you're like, oh, shit. Yeah. Yeah. Like that guy beat me. Fuck.

Yeah. Yeah. I don't know if it's a combination of all these things or if one is more significant than the other. But the other leg kicks definitely slowed him down a lot. Oh, absolutely. There was very obvious ring rust, in my opinion. Like just he wasn't as snappy as he was before yeah and dustin ate some of his left hands oh yeah and he like kind of shook

it off like i was like oh shit like here we go and i was like oh way to go dustin like let's go so i don't know again if that's because he couldn't put a lot of weight on that front foot yeah i don't know if because it's been a hot minute since he fought or again, because Dustin was just a savage this time around. Dustin destroyed that leg, bro. So, yeah. So with all that, I was just like, damn, dude, like Dustin, he fought a great fight. He did.

Against a great fighter. And he just was the better man that night. It's got to be a tough thing to, to beat, to try to beat somebody that you beat six years ago. Right. You know, I'm thinking about my own powerlifting career. Like, you know, if, uh, after I've done some of my biggest lifts, um, and then six years later to meet up with somebody again, who I beat in competition previously, like it would be really like six years is a long time.

And the conversation we're having right now about uh you know having this like hunger i think hunger and anger are probably very different things the hunger is like i just want to be fucking better at this thing like almost no matter what yeah you know the anger uh anger is a is an attribute that like, just isn't great. I don't think. Cause you know, you clench your fist and you just throw this bomb of a punch and the guy just takes you down, chokes you out. And it's like, well, that didn't really, like you can be as angry as you want, but that

didn't really help. But I know how we're using it in the context here where we're saying like that you've got this chip on your shoulder and that you're just dying to be better and you kind of almost uh almost don't care how it's done yeah but i would agree 100 with like conor mcgregor can come back and still kick some ass and he can figure things out uh but yeah he'll have to probably put some of the stuff aside um kind of like we saw in like a movie like Rocky, where, you know, Rocky four. Ivan Drago's got all the latest technology and Rocky's out there lifting logs and and kind of doing things the hard way in Rocky three. We saw it from Mr. T. Mr. Mr. T. Like like actually that's a that's a great example.

Mr. T. Is was was really really hungry the way that rocky was in the beginning in rocky one and rocky made it and he was champ and he was on top uh he had a wife he had a house he had kids he had all these things that uh people are kind of striving for and maybe he didn't have any more like fighting them anymore you know and so when he went up against mr t like you know that was it because the other guy was the other guys the other guy wanted it more let me ask you this actually you know through your powerlifting career um i'm not sure exactly when you you like stopped competing but did you do you feel that do you feel like getting things or not like getting things, but, you know, building a successful business, et cetera? Do you think that that dampened at all your your need to do something in terms of powerlifting to achieve certain numbers, even though you you still achieved crazy numbers?

Did that dampen that for you? Because, like, when I think about Connor, like this man has hundreds of millions of dollars at this point. It's like, why the fuck do I want to get hit in a ring? Like I got hundreds of millions of dollars. He wants to hang around with his kid. Right. He doesn't want to forget his kid's name. I have this amazing like tequila or it's not tequila.

It's something proper 12 or whatever. And it's making hella money, too. Why am I getting hit? Right. How about you? Yeah, definitely. hit right how about you yeah definitely i think um you know once you start asking yourself the question on why you start to end up in a really like not a great place why am i going all these jiu-jitsu practices why am i lifting all these weights like why like why what's the point anymore

what you know um and even like for me my legs got bigger by using less weight too. So it's like, you know what I mean? There was no real reward to try to really load the weight up. Yeah. You know, when I squatted a thousand pounds and did a lot of those things, my legs, uh, they didn't really have much, they didn't look like they had much muscle on them and they were thick. Uh, but they, they weren't, you think they would be a great attribute, you know, lifting those kinds of weights.

they weren't, you think they would be a great attribute, you know, lifting those kinds of weights. And so, um, when you start asking yourself why, or start to kind of think something's kind of silly or kind of corny, um, you're in a, you're in a tough spot. I mean, imagine being an actor and thinking like the role that you're playing is, is, is corny. And then you can never like really express yourself the way that you want to because you think that you look foolish you know for for me with lifting you know uh as i started you know getting getting as i started getting away from powerlifting and retiring from powerlifting yeah that question popped up in my head like like why like why are you doing this you know it doesn't really you still get up off the couch really slow and like still move or like shit just hurts and knee

hurts, back hurts. Um, and, and I just kind of even forgot what it was like to have my body be pain-free. Um, I kind of lost sight and lost track of the fact that training in general should make you feel better mentally and physically yeah but you know when you get when you when you start to get into deep into anything you do so much of it uh that it that it loses its sensation a lot a lot of stuff i probably because i'm a pervert a lot of stuff reminds me of sex like sex is amazing but you can go at it for so long that like you start to lose sensations you become you become you can go at it for so long that you start to lose sensations. You become numb to it at a certain point, right?

Where you're like, this is still cool, but my dick's about to fall off. So once you start to kind of question, I heard Steve Young kind of talk about this when he was retiring from, or when he knew it was time for him to retire from football. You know, in football, you get into these like these huddles before the game and you have all this hype. We're going to kill them. We're going to do, you know, and someone says something badass and everyone gets all fired up. Steve Young, like at one point, just kind of was able to zoom out a little bit. And while somebody was talking, he's like, this shit is so weird. Like, what are we doing? What are we doing, man?

Like, he's like, it doesn't, he was just thinking to himself, it doesn't have anything to do whether we're hyped up or not. It's like, are we good enough to beat the other team? Do we have the skill to beat the other team? He said right then and there, because he just realized I'm not all bought into the whole thing. You know, if you guys aren't like,

yeah, we, we all agree. We can kick these guys. We can kick these guys nuts. We can beat the hell out of these guys. Um, there's going to be some,

like, if you're not all bought into the whole thing, there might be some doubt, you know, when you actually start to play, you actually start to play the game. But if you have a little bit of like faith in what you're doing and you're like, you know what? I don't really know, you know, why Mark head butted the shit out of Andrew before we before we hit the field.

Yeah, it's probably not helpful in any way, but they seem to be hyped up about it. And, you know, here we go. You know, that's just what we do or that's how we do it. Yeah. about it and you know here here we go you know that's just what we do or that's how we do it yeah and so for me with lifting you know as soon as i kind of was like why am i doing it this way like there's other ways of doing this right andrew uh what's your favorite flavor of the element electrolytes which one i am 100 all team all orange salt very goodía Naranja. Very good. Yes. Salistic Español. Yeah.

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Right. Oh, it helps a ton with your confidence. Yeah. You know, when you like, um, when you know that you have a, a,

a good ability to make money, it's like, that feels really real because money is so valued. Um, yep. You know, when the white house got, uh,

got infiltrated or whatever you want to say on, uh, you know, earlier this year. And they said like fighting doesn't solve anything this is disgusting i was like fighting solves everything like the the very land that they're talking about isn't even ours we fought for it we fought somebody else for and before that somebody else fought over it and took it from somebody else

this state right here was taken over you know know, by America against Mexico, right? And things like that. I mean, you go into our history, and there's a lot of fighting, and there's a lot of things that have a lot to do with money. And money can make you feel empowered in some ways, but it can also make you feel super comfortable. Just imagine like, um, so Conor McGregor, he doesn't like cook any of his own meals and stuff, right?

Probably not. Well, we had George Lockhart on the show and George, George cooks for him. Um, I don't know if he still does that but uh i don't know you're getting ready for a bodybuilding show and you're cooking your own meals and you're you're waking up at at four and being prepped every day and and you do that you do that your whole career and then you know you start to get towards the end of your career like i got plenty of money i was gonna hire somebody to cook for me yeah you might you know you might be you might be just missing a little chunk you might be missing a little edge to your daily

disciplines right you might be missing a little a little piece of the puzzle right there that reminds me of uh there you know israel adesanya he uh he was talking about how when he won his like when he won his belt the first time um when he went back to i think it's new zealand where he's from where he trains it's new zealand or something but his training partner started going a little bit easier on it he was like he cuddled everybody up he's like okay guys real talk i have this belt this does not mean you lighten up on me in training. No matter what happens, we go as hard as we were when it was day one, where if you, if you, if you do this, you're going to fuck me up. You're going to make me think I'm better than I actually am.

Y'all got to go as hard as we were from day one. Right? So it's like, when you make these certain achievements, it's like, whatever it is that you're doing you can't it's that complacency aspect you're like you're comfortable everyone around you is treating you like you're the king and and everyone's going easy on you they're not telling you the things that they told you before because maybe now you're more intimidating and they're scared or whatever they're not being real with you you need people that are still going to be real with you when you start achieving these things you start hiring yes men you know you're like i just want to live in a culture where i'm not criticized and if you're not criticized um

then you can't error correct and you you're gonna have a very hard time getting better uh if everyone's just blown away and like super pumped about everything you do and um you could even think you're funny just because people are laughing at your shit even though even though what you're saying is not even funny like you could there's a lot of misinterpretation that can happen and you can kind of have some fake confidence about a lot of things social media is great at that social media is is is the king of that yeah yeah i remember rogan talking about uh he was he was because his upbringing was a little rough like i think he like his stepdad or something was like you know so he took up you know martial

arts because he's like i never want to you know get my ass whatever it was i can't remember basically he was just like i never want to be you know not adequate to fight out of any situation and so he talks about like yeah you know my know, my kids are, they're obviously well taken care of and you, but you kind of want them to struggle a little bit. And I think about that too, but it was just awesome timing. If you're a parent and you're not subscribed to Ryan Holiday's Daily Dad, I highly recommend it. It's such a huge help.

But, you know, you hear like about how people who had a terrible upbringing are able to do so much. And I'm just going to read the end of his email because it is just really cool. He says, and so when we look at the greatness of Churchill, who was fueled by his abusive, painful childhood and the evil of Hitler or Stalin, who were formed by the poverty and adversity of their times. We should remember the qu quip kissing kissinger kissinger about nixon what what could that man have been had someone loved him as a child it's freaking huge right like like when i'm thinking about my son it's like yeah maybe i'll drop him off back at our old pad and see if he can figure out his way out of south sacramento and make it back to you know nice neighborhood but maybe we don't really necessarily need that

struggle. So if somebody is listening, they're like, man, like, shit, my parents were really good to me and I can't quite get that hunger. I can't quite, you know, get that motivation to kick ass. It's like, well, no, it's like, you're just, you're not kind of ahead of the game and you actually have more opportunities than everybody else or not everybody else, but a lot of people, you don't necessarily need, you know, that terrible upbringing to be a savage. So I just, I don't know that, that, that really stuck out to me. And that email actually came in like two days ago. So it was just perfect timing.

I would agree with that in some ways. Like I think there's, um, and, and I'm not really talking about that next level of success, like an Elon Musk or LeBron James or some of these people. But, uh, if you look at wealthy families, like they have a lot of, they have a, they have a lot of successful people in the family because success can breed success. Like they, they see examples of it. You know, they see examples of it every day.

And maybe that kid that grows up with his dad being a doctor is a kid that can maybe have an opportunity to dream about being an astronaut. You know what I mean? Because if you grew up under different circumstances, again, your time consumption around your struggles might be so severe that you can't really, you can't think well enough to think outside the box of all the possibilities that might be available to you. So instead, you know, maybe you just play a sport and try to use that or whatever, whatever it might be. But I think that a lot of times we'll see, you know, we'll see other successful people. You don't always need to, I don't think you need to seek out struggle like it's going to come your way no matter what uh and the other thing is too like so with someone like

lebron james where where did his struggle come from well his struggle came from leveling up you know i'm going to be the next uh i'm going to be the next kobe or i'm going to be the next whatever his whatever his thing was like i'm going to be the next I'm going to be the next Kobe or I'm going to be the next whatever his whatever his thing was like, I'm going to be the best high school basketball player anyone's ever seen. Yeah. Then he jumps right into the NBA and then he's trying to figure out how to win championships with a team that sucks, you know, and you continue to level up. And you continue to level up. And so the the chip or the hunger is still going to be there as long as you're challenging yourself, as long as you're seeking a new challenge. I think a lot of times people are kind of like hoping and praying that things things go real smooth. But we should be we should be working towards is developing such a strong skill set that you can overcome anything. It doesn't matter what's thrown your way. Like, what about sometimes in some of these fights when they're like, oh, yeah, you know, you're going to fight Bones Jones, and then he has to pull out of the fight for whatever reason,

and boom, somebody else is thrown your way. A lot of guys say, you know, I'm not doing it. Cowboy Cerrone is a great example. He'll take on any fight. He's like, yep, I'm not, I'm not doing it. Cowboy Cerrone is a great example. He'll take on any fight. It's like, yep. I mean, he feels that he has a good enough skill set, strong enough skill set to handle any sort of adversity, anything that comes his way. Absolutely. No, I totally agree with that skill set portion.

And I also, yeah, I agree with what Andrew was saying and the fact that like, no, I think, um, I don't think that, you know, you, you have to have had like a rough childhood or whatever to to to head in that good direction, because I think more so, you know, your son's going to have a great mother and father. He's going to have great examples how to be with other people. You had a great mother and father. You were a great example. You know, you show compassion to people. You're great with other people because you had such great examples. Right.

You're great with other people because you had such great examples. Right. So it's it's it's much better to have that than to be trying to fight against a something negative that's happened to you. Not like that. You know, a lot of people have had that. Not like that's a problem, but that is harder. It is harder to fight against things that you've seen and not replicate those things. You know, so look at someone like George St. Pierre, you know, like I, if he did have some

weird, crazy things when he was young, I, I'm not aware of him having like a, a bad upbringing, but he does, he did seem like he had his own internal struggles. He seemed like he was always scared of stuff as a kid. It seemed like he had some anxiety. Uh, he learned how to wrestle and, and so forth. And then he becomes, you know, the, one of the greatest fighters of all time. Yeah. So there's that way of handling things. And there's also the Mike Tyson way of handling things where he grew up. He's an absolute beast. And like, you know, when he's punching somebody, he's talking about, you know, driving their nose right through their brain and like all these, you know, wild, crazy things. Um, he was an amazing boxer, right? I mean, he's unbelievable.

He's one of the all-time greats. But there's other people that are all-time greats who don't have that same background, don't have that same experience. Greatness doesn't come from having a shitty background. It comes from somewhere along the line, you decided that you're going to lean towards this thing that you're probably already pretty good at, that you like and or love. It helps if you love it. And you're going to continue over a period of time to get better at it. And you're going to get better and better to the point where maybe you end up, you know, one day better than everybody else. Where I think

the hunger side of things really comes in is, is just not ever giving up, just not quitting. I heard less Brown, uh, has this, uh, thing that he said basically about,

you know, when he was young, they thought he was like retarded and they thought all these different things about him. And, you know, most of you guys have, I hope that you've heard less Brown speak before.

Cause he's just amazing. Anybody who ever wants to become a public speaker should listen to Les Brown and pay attention to the way the man talks. It's great. Fucking just absolutely ridiculous. I hope at some point we get an opportunity to talk with him. He's an idol of mine. Brown has a story about how he goes in to get a job as a disc jockey at a radio station. And he goes in there and he meets the he meets the boss and they have conversation and he says, you know what he would like to do, but he doesn't have previous experience.

And so the the owner says, hey, you know, that's great. You know, come back some other day. We're not really looking for anybody. We're kind of hoping that we'd find somebody that, you know, had a background in this. Les Brown comes back the next day and says, hey, sir, how's it going? And he's like, I saw you yesterday. What's going on? He's like, I'm Les Brown.

He goes, yeah, I know who you are. I remember. Yeah, you were here yesterday. And he's like, well, what are you here for? He's like, I saw you yesterday. What's going on? He's like, I'm Les Brown. He goes, yeah, I know who you are. I remember. Yeah, you were here yesterday. And he's like, well, what are you here for? He's like, I'm here for the job. You know, he's and so he just delays it all out on the guy again. The same thing he told him on the first day. And the guy's like, hey, man, you know, everything's good.

Like we're not like I said, we're not looking for anybody like that. He's like, well, I didn't know between, you know, yesterday and today, whether somebody got let go or something happened and maybe, you know, yesterday and today, whether somebody got let go or something happened and maybe you thought it over more and maybe you need somebody. The guy's like, no, we're good. Comes back the next day. And the guy's like, he says, I'm Les Brown.

I'm here for the job. Yeah. And the guy gets up and the guy's kind of like frustrated looking and he goes, get me some coffee. He goes and gets him some coffee and sits down with him and the guy's like are you willing to kind of do anything and everything to have a job here he's like yes sir he's like all right when can you start he's like right now he's like okay first job is you got to get everybody lunch today or whatever you know yeah and he starts working there

then he starts to like get around the room where they're doing their audio and doing all these things and he's really paying attention to what everybody's doing he's kind of just cleaning up he's just he's like an assistant he's just hustling around helping people with whatever they need he's uh watching one day and he sees that this guy that's on the air is drinking drinking alcohol and he's like oh shit like that's not that's on the air is drinking, drinking alcohol. And he's like, oh shit. Like that's not, he's heard, you know, he's, he, he'd been there long enough to where he knows you're not supposed to do that. So he gets a call from the boss and the boss says, Hey, you know,

so-and-so they're not going to be able to finish their program today. We had an incident and he, he saw what happened. Les Brown saw what happened. So he, he knew what was going on. So the boss says, Hey uh can you um you know call you know call these other jockeys and see if they can come in because we as an emergency he's like yes sir he hangs up the phone doesn't call anybody waits about 10 minutes and works up the courage and picks up the phone and says, sir, I called everybody and it doesn't look like anybody can do anything. And the boss is like, hey, man, he's like, you know how to work those buttons and stuff.

You know what you're doing? You know what's going on? He goes, oh, yes, sir. Yeah, no problem. He's like, I can do that. So he like calls his parents and then tell Les Brown calls his parents and says, hey, get ready. I'm going to be on the air. But the boss instructed him, like, don't say anything like you're just playing records. That's it. Don't you know, I got not talking, you know?

Yeah. And so Les Brown gets in there and he like flips a switch for him to talk. And when he talks, he like says, this is Les Brown. He's got this whole like rap that he says he's got this whole thing. And he just rattles off all this, like, just cool disc jockey information and plays a song from stevie wonder and kind of the rest is history and he gets a job but yeah you most people don't have that kind of fight in them unless they've been fought or unless they've been uh neglected or abused or even if it's like i think it can be your own bullshit that you make up about yourself.

It doesn't have to necessarily be from somebody else. Cause I think ourselves can be our worst enemy. You tell yourself you're dumb. You tell yourself you're fat and you, you work through a process where you maybe someday overcome that. And I think that can be really powerful, but unless Brown situation, he grew up with some really crazy circumstances.

I think he was like born on the floor of like a like an apartment or something like that. And then he was also abandoned when he was really young. And I think he lived homeless for a while. He like he just did whatever he could to get by. And he hung in there long enough. But it's kind of odd to meet somebody that's that hungry and that, um, that fired up and excited about stuff to, to, to do things. But then you also have, you do have individuals like Gary V. Gary V grew up with a dad.

His dad was really successful. That company made the, uh, wine company or the liquor store that his dad had or whatever it was i can't really remember discount liquors there you go yeah they they did really well but his dad seemed like a madman you know his dad didn't seem you know maybe uh i'm sure at many times he probably felt like his dad didn't even love him but his dad took him to work his dad showed him what it was like to make money you know know, he, he did all these things and Gary V ended up turning into a Gary V and the dad wasn't abusive or anything crazy like that. He was just showed him tough love and showed him the value of hard work and

what it can do for you. And the mom gave him tons of love. Yeah. And the mom was always there. So, um, yeah, he,

he's getting like a firsthand education on how to do business. You do it anyway and every possible way that you can think of and you just work your ass off. And then he had the love from the mother. So it doesn't always have to be a Les Brown story, but it is kind of rare to see someone act the way that Les Brown did in that story without getting really screwed over from the time you're young. Yeah. That, that interest level that you always talk about. It's so important. It led me to this podcast oddly enough. Cause I mean, seriously, like how was like our situation when I asked you like, Hey, I think I should be on board. I had zero experience, you know, as far as podcasting goes, but like i made sure that

i had the experience once i you know or had the knowledge once we actually got here but what is it exactly that you did like so did did did you like mention to him like hey i think i can do this let's give it a shot like how did that work uh essentially yeah the podcast was going through some changes we get more equipment and stuff and i noticed that like wow like with the current manpower that the podcast has like it just can't be done so i'm like hey i think i should be the one behind the computer and then eventually the podcast went through more changes and i'm like you know i kind of cornered him in his office and i'm like hey dude i'm your guy yeah and he's like sick i don't have to find anybody you got it and that's when i was like oh shit i don't know what I'm doing.

So I had to figure it out. But it was, you know, yeah, just that super high interest level where that's what drove me at that time. And it's something you really like getting better at. I love it. Again, I get reminded of Ryan over here, Ryan Soper, who, again, didn't really have much media background, but it was something he was really interested in. And he would just get better and better. Videos would get better and better. And he just boom now i think he's a head of media like yeah he's he's a savage right so like it's it's just like i think you truly just got to really

figure out what is that thing for you it's like okay we're not all trying to reach jordan levels of greatness but if you true if you truly like that thing then uh and you can you can put what you got to put into it to actually improve i think that's that's also why like kind of i kind of don't you know i have a i don't like the school system i really don't because you know when you get to college you you're supposed to pick between these these majors and you're like you're kind of interested in this so let's go to this or but but you know you're spending all this money to figure out potentially at the end of the day that that's not something you were actually interested in but now you're stuck that's really tough like that's why i'm happy when i see like like where your kid is going to be you know like

the the way you're probably going to raise him you're going to probably raise him to try to figure out things he likes doing jake andon Academy, like these kids are able to actually foster the skill in something that they really do like. Right. Not something that is set in front of them based off of a curriculum. I'll tell you what people love is people love to see that you're hungry. So being hungry is is it is I think it's a really critical, even though I mentioned the skillset factor, being hungry and showing that you're hungry, I think is, is, uh, massively important to anybody who's going to be a success because even if it's just, you're just hungrier to, you know, acquire more knowledge, like that's,

that's a hunger in itself. You have like a, a thirst for it. You're like, man, I need to get more of that. Like, this is, this is so good. I,

I love learning this and it, you know, sparks a lot of interest in you get some different ideas going. But if you were to go, I think people are really scared to ever like really talk to their employers. You know, there's, they're terrified.

Um, and I, I, a lot of times it's, a lot of times it's like kind of unfounded, like, yeah, you could go to them and you could piss them off. But like you're going to piss them off for like a day. And it's really not going to be that big unless you're like really offensive with something. But. It's it's actually really rare to have employees come to you with like a really comprehensive idea. You know, and if they do, if they did come to you with a comprehensive idea where it's very clear that the person's really hungry to excel, you'd be like, holy shit, man. I didn't know this guy was thinking about all this shit. Wow, this is awesome.

What if we actually did that? What if we actually executed on that? Like, holy crap. And it just, it changes your perspective of the person and changes the value that the person may have previously had. If the idea is shit, you might just be like, man, that doesn't fit anything with what we're doing. I'm not really sure what they're talking about. And then that would be the end of it though. We wouldn't, you wouldn't be like, how dare you, you know, how dare you give me the suggestion on how to make my business better yeah that doesn't make any sense you know maybe there'd be some people that

would do that but look man if you lost that job because of that then you should probably shouldn't be there anyway probably shit job yeah uh jc asks a cool question and it doesn't specify jc it's either jesus christ john, or maybe someone else with those initials. He's just asking, like Mark, how in comparison to when you were in Santa Monica and broke, how do you stay hungry these days? You know, I think you always do it by continuing to level up. Like I mentioned with LeBron,on you know it's it's about you know he wanted to be the best high school player now he wants to you know working on being the best nba player win the most championships and these kinds of things um for myself it's just

like how do i continue to get better like there's so many areas for me to get better and um people might think oh like you know you seem like you're doing pretty good in a bunch of areas, but I'm working on my flexibility. I'm stretching every night. Like I'm terrible flexibility. There's a lot of areas where people do a lot better than I do. And I, I, I would like to excel at some of these things. I'd like to get better at some of these things.

I would like to have the ability to explore more stuff and do more stuff. You know, my powerlifting career cost me a lot of things. I, there's things like I've talked about it before, but like something like snowboarding or something like that, not that I'm like dying to snowboard, but it would be kind of fun at this point. It wouldn't make any sense for me to try it at the moment. Cause I would really probably kill myself, uh, you know, as I, as I continue to get in a little bit better shape and continue to get lighter, continue to get leaner, maybe

get more mobile. Um, I'm, you know, getting my blood work done all the time. And like, I just have new goals. I have new things that I'm, uh, that I'm setting, you know, I have new things that I'm like working towards. Um, if I think about like, even just like my blood work, like how different is that to like get a good blood work score, you know, or, or have your blood work look good versus trying to, uh, you know, squat a thousand pounds or whatever. So it's just really just a shift. And if you can imagine, like, you can just shift.

I mean, you can go from, like, wanting to lift the heaviest weight to wanting to do the most amount of reps. Like, you know, what if you just change your training one day? Like, the focus is all on singles. And then the focus just totally changes to, I'd love to see what I could do for 40 reps on bench, squat, and deadlift. And I'm going to work on that for a year. to see what I could do for 40 reps on a bench squat and deadlift. And I'm going to work on that for a year. You know what I mean?

Like that's, that's a lot or body weight exercises, pull-ups, pushups, uh, things like, like I got to like 80 pushups or 85 pushups in a row at one point, you know, it's like those things are, that's kind of exciting, you know, kind of see, you know, where, where you can get to at some of these things. So for me, it's just, uh, you know, when I was in Santa Monica and broke, it was more, I didn't have time to think about like trying to be great at anything. It was more like survival, you know, where's my next meal going to come from? You know, I, I don't have any money in my account and, uh, we're getting kicked out of our apartment and, you know, like just things were just messy and cluttered.

And it was just a thought process of like, I just need to make, uh, need to make a couple bucks now so I can kind of figure things out. And then maybe someday I'll, I'll, uh, maybe be ahead enough to where I can kind of think about bigger things.

And then like, as far as leveling up, you're not going to, you're probably not gonna select you know getting better at uh like world of warcraft right because you don't give a shit about that right that wouldn't make any sense so it's got to be something that you're still interested in so that way you can still be fired up every day yeah and like just making more money is interesting like it's fun you know it's yeah, it's fun to figure it out. Um,

and then try to create more opportunities for people and try to, you know, we're expanding this place all the time. We're getting, uh, working on and getting a new studio. Um, I don't know what's going to happen with any of that. I don't have any clue, you know, I'm just, you know, going for it. I, I'm definitely the kind of person I said this, uh, many times before and I said it to somebody the other day and they were like whoa you know

I believe a lot of times that you can't afford not to do stuff you know so if you see something and it's expensive something 600 bucks and you're like man I don't know if I really have them I think a lot of times if that's something that you really want I think you need to

put your cards on the table and go for it. What I'd also say is like, you need to be cautious. Like if you're not, if you're not doing your work, if you're not, you know, if you're lazy,

if you're a lazy piece of shit, then, then, then you're going to have to wait until you have better discipline so that what you, uh, what you got, you actually earned.

And it's, it's not that bad for you to maintain. It's not that hard for you to maintain. Um, but I'm a big believer in like, yeah, like something, something is like risky and you're like, Ooh, like that's kind of a lot. Like, I don't know. I don't know if I, I don't know if I should do that when that pops into my head. I'm like, yep, that's the exact, that's the path right there.

That's the, that's the route that you need to go. And I heard a quote, I think it was yesterday. And it said, do not go where the path may lead, but go where there is no path and leave a trail. Like,

I love that, you know, like just, it's, it's easy to like, all right, well, and SEMA already walked through there. Andrew already walked through there. I see their footprints. They push some of the weeds back and they push some of the branches back and I can just, that's the easiest route, you know, how often is the easiest route really ever the right route?

Doesn't seem like it doesn't seem like it really i mean sometimes you know sometimes you got to be efficient sometimes you need that convenience but um and again that goes back to what we start said from the very start is that being a leader is very difficult the first man through the wall gets bloody you know your first person that invents stuff the first person that creates stuff gets ripped off the most. A lot of times it's really bad too. Like somebody will get, somebody will make something and they'll have this great creative side to them.

We don't see it as much anymore because I think technology has allowed people to advertise in a similar way to the way that the big boys were doing it years ago. Like you used to have to only advertise on TV and like no one had money for that. So now if you were to make shoes, like you're not going to compete with Nike, but you can make a really nice living for yourself because how many people are

in that? I mean, there's a lot of people in that game, but you get my point is that you can do Facebook advertising, Instagram advertising for reasonable prices and um potentially be on your way if that's something that you uh dig and something that you really you really like um anyway i'll shut the fuck up i was wondering where you're going with that oh man yo um i do want to mention this though uh we did we did mention tiger woods and the Tiger Doc.

If you guys haven't watched that, you really should. The first question I have is what is the legality of this type of stuff? Because Tiger wasn't in that documentary. And I actually heard that he didn't like it. So how is it that like somebody can make a documentary about another individual, have all these people putting all this person's stuff out there private whatever and they're just like I don't like it like you know whoever owns the rights to X Y & Z that footage that they use or whatever because like you look at us yeah I'm pretty sure our Kelly didn't sign off on that Netflix show it's um it's under his music too yeah It's under his music, too. Yeah. It's under a category of like fair use.

So it's like you as powerful as Tiger Woods was. He doesn't own the Masters broadcasts of NBC and all these people. It's some real fuckery going on. You know, all these people are getting paid. And obviously, like, I mean, you could make an argument that he doesn't need more money. But all these people are getting paid except for him. and obviously like i mean you could make an argument that he doesn't like need more money but um all these people are getting paid except for him and they're piggybacking and making money off of uh off of his name you know with all this footage that they're like people have to purchase

that footage you know yeah um i don't 100 know you know all the different rules i'm sure there's some limitations on what they could uh what they can do and who knows like i don't know how you even find out like what the truth is and i mean it his story was really really like the the fact that he got caught by media and not like private investigators or just somebody else. I mean, it all happens for a reason. It's probably all for the better, but it's just like weird. There's one scene in there where the media guy follows him and they see at their park somewhere. And he picks up a condom and saves it.

It's like, what the fuck, dude? That's not a police officer that's not a that's not a detective like that's just some random like media guy trying to make money off of this uh issue that tiger woods had at the time it's just like kind of sickening in in many ways it's really disgusting and then the the thing that really kind of shocked me was the portion that talked about how I guess his dad was in the military, but he worked with some military that Tiger, when he was a teenager, worked with some military psychoanalyst guy and taught himself how to like hypnotize himself, essentially how to get in the zone better but they called it a form of hypnotism right and it reminded me of tyson how uh custom auto like hypnotized tyson and pretty much kind of turned him into a savage when it came to fighting like kind of an animal yeah it's like some winter soldier shit yeah yeah it's like you know in the doc um some some there's this lady that was like really close to tiger she was like yeah he was like a totally different person on the golf course he turned something on and it's just like wow like that's that's pretty insane neat trick yeah but like i think in essence his dad would

try to heckle him and all that stuff so you can like channel in and the dad would like walk by and like hit the ball you know and like just kind of knock them off uh knock them off track i really love the documentary for for for one reason was that i just didn't know that much about tiger woods previously um i knew a little bit just you know what i heard in the news here and there um but what i didn't like about it what i didn't like about it, what I didn't like about it was, in my opinion, for the most part, for most of the people that you see in the film, it's kind of a bunch of losers that lie in the wake of Tiger Woods. Tiger Woods is success. Yes. And I'm just thinking like, oh, they can make a pretty good movie about me, too.

I got a lot of losers in my history, too too that would love to come out of the woodwork and have a mouthpiece to speak, you know? And there's, I mean, you could grab ahold of anybody famous, Michael Phelps, whatever. And they, you know, Tiger Woods did make some bad decisions and so forth, but they didn't really say like, there wasn't like other golfers on there wasn't, like, other golfers on there saying, like, this is what made Tiger Woods so different.

You know, I didn't really see much of that. You get the idea he's a prodigy. And what I did also like is I liked his dad in the film. I thought his dad, yeah, his dad may have been too forceful and a little crazy at some points, but, and he, he was trying to make like a little golfing robot, you know, that can, that can kick the world in the ass. But, uh, I liked some of his attributes too. I think he, it seemed like he was a loving father. It seemed like he liked spending a lot of time with this kid. Um, and just like anybody else, he sure he sure he had his uh he had his flaws there's one scene in there that i didn't like that i do think captivated um how his parents

were and that was when he got in trouble with the girl lying about yeah when he when he when he came back from college yeah and uh that scene is is uh that scene is, is, uh, that seems pretty bad. And that probably depicts the kind of depicts the whole story really. Uh, cause later Tiger Woods ends up writing a letter to this girl and breaks up with her that way and never sees her again after he was dating her for like three years or some shit. Yeah. It's pretty brutal.

And that girl still loves him. You can tell they're like interviewing her and she's still like i mean she's watching all the stuff he's doing currently and stuff i mean wouldn't you at some point just be like fuck this yeah i'm just not gonna pay attention i mean he's hard not to pay attention to but you could still go the other way you could still turn tv off right the one dude that like just just you looked at him and you heard him talking you're like you're just a slimy fucker was the you know what i'm talking about the guy with the glasses from the national inquirer or whatever oh yeah oh he was really weird he was like laughing

he's like oh you know we we got the scoop on him and like this is the greatest news it's like what greatest news what are you talking about you're destroying these people's lives it is really crazy like it it's that thing where when somebody is like at the pinnacle of whatever it's like every like when they're on their way everyone's rooting for them when they've been there for a while everyone wants them to lose and then when they've lost people want them to try and make it back in you know like you're never just continuously rooting for that person who's here and who's doing that great thing for a while right people want to see them that is weird i was just gonna say like is it just simply gossip and people love to see somebody fall from grace because like not only i mean

as more news came out about tiger woods people would pile on so heavy like dude his wife put a like i think it was like a shovel through the back of his car as he's trying to leave and it's just like dude like that's some personal shit like everybody who's listening has probably had something worse you know it's like but yet because he's top you know top of the mountain we want to see him fall all the way down humans are funny one thing i thought was kind of cool is that his wife seems amazing his ex-wife yeah she seems amazing like the shit that she had to deal with uh i don't really understand how the hell she ever made it through that but she must have just said hey i gotta get through all this bullshit for my kids but she was amazing i she never went on to like write a book or anything

like that i don't think and like that's that's some real uh that's some real class because a lot of people do fall for that and i think a lot of these people that are in this film, I think they got paid. They got paid to talk. I mean, the one dude is like, I'm not going to release it. And then he,

and then he divulged all kinds of information. That was a really weird scene too. Like where he's just like ratting them out and ratting out tiger and ratting out, not necessarily tiger, but ratting out tiger's dad. Oh, is it the dad's friend or whatever?

Yeah. But the dude also was like kind of ratting himself out too. Cause he dad. Oh, was it the dad's friend or whatever? Yeah. But the dude also was like kind of ratting himself out too. Cause he's like, I was doing the same thing and I was married. Like he did say it, but yeah, it was. And then he's like, sorry, champ. It was weird. And he's just like probably thinking, well, I got nothing to lose cause he's dead.

And you know, I can just picture him being, I can picture him like getting halfway through that story and then i can picture him like being like no i'm good and they're like hey listen we're gonna you know you're gonna be compensated for this and he's like all right yeah you know and just keep keep uh keep blurting it out but cool documentary i think everyone should uh should check it out and the cool thing is tiger woods story is like, he's in the middle of it. Cause he's probably what? 42,

44. Yeah. Yeah. And he's still golfing right now. I think actually he's getting another back surgery. Yeah. Another surgery. Yeah.

That's it. That's the crazy thing to me though, man. Like that's what's so cool. That noise when he would swing sounded different than everybody else. Right? Yeah. It absolutely did.

It must've been a lot of torque on the lower back. But the thing that's crazy to me is just like his ability to work past all the injuries he had. Because there's that one when he found out he had no ACL in his left knee. He didn't even know it. He was working through it. He was golfing with no ACL at the time. Like, look at a golf swing. Like, look at all that torque that goes through the knee.

He was working through that. Got surgery comes back wins some more masters gets multiple back surgeries wins a master's in 2019 it's like what the hell right i think that's one thing that kind of just shows how great of a competitor and an athlete he is because he's always seems to find a way back from just injury that would probably just mess up most other athletes or make them quit. That's another attribute of his. I think most athletes that I've seen over the years, and I've loved sports from the time I was a kid, I don't really know of another comeback story.

That's, I mean, Alex Smith comes to mind the football player. But Alex Smith stuff was I realize there's a mental component to as well, because Alex Smith almost lost his leg and all kinds of stuff like that. But Alex Smith also isn't Tiger Woods. He's not one of the greatest of all time. Just I don't really know if I've seen somebody come back from that. Like Tyson never really came back from his,

uh, fight with Buster Douglas. He, he was, he was actually never really even, I hate to say, cause I'm such a huge Tyson fan, but he was never even really that good after that fight.

Um, whereas he was dominant and he was one of the greatest fighters of all time. Um, and before that fight. But that fight changed him forever, and he just didn't seem like he ever got back into his training regimen the same way and all that. For Tiger Woods to come back, these injuries and stuff, we've seen a lot of athletes do that. I haven't seen a lot of athletes.

I'm drawing a blank. Like no one, I'm drawing a blank. No one's coming to mind having such a public reckoning of your, your entire life. Yeah. Completely. You know, it's his own doing. I understand it's his own doing. But your entire life being completely flipped upside down and then making a comeback. And I know he's going to make another one too.

Even after this back surgery, like, yeah back surgery. Like, that's pretty wild. And it seems like he's living a pretty damn good life right now. It seems like he's pretty happy. Yeah, he's got his kids. Yeah. And, you know, this documentary didn't really show any of that transition. That'd actually be kind of nice to see, see like what he's got going on now but um what a weird what a weird set of circumstances to not really be able to to grow up to be yourself

you know you're just always under the always under the watchful eye of the media and all these people and millions and millions of people like worshipped him and the interaction with his girlfriend i think was the cool was one of the coolest things how he like she went bowling with him and the interaction with his girlfriend I think was one of the coolest things how he like she went bowling with him and stuff and he loved it and he it was just like so different for him because he just didn't have normal experiences and then when she came over to his house and saw like the shrine

like of all these like he's internationally known and he's worshipped and he's got all these trophies like she had no idea of any of this and she was like like what like just not understand then when they would go out and he'd get recognized she was really flipping out she's like what the hell is going on here who am i with yeah um that's i think the funny thing about is when you watch it like there are these there are these little

snippets where you hear what he's saying like when he's being followed by the crowd or or when he's holding up a trophy there was one time when he was holding up a trophy and all these people around he's like what the fuck like you just hear him like you hear the audio from his voice and there's this other one when he's like with another golfer and he's like you'll never get used to this like it's it's very abnormal like having just these that hundreds of people just following you and praising you. It's all the time. Like can't imagine that you could. And you could imagine how crazy it would be to have that going on around you.

And then to like occasionally he would like meet up with some of these other celebrities. And then he would be in a world where now everybody else gets it too. Like they understand, they understand. Like, so imagine feeling like you're misunderstood. Like no one gets this. Like I feel all these weird ways and no one will ever probably get this.

And I got to live with this on my own. And then there's like, it's kind of a funny scene, but there's like, Jordan's like partying and Charles Barkley. And I'm watching, I'm like, oh shit,

like Jordan's getting thrown on the bus here. Like, you know, they're talking about how they're hooking up with all these girls and stuff like that. And, uh, but that must've felt probably super comfortable to him.

Like, I'm not trying to make excuses, but I'm saying is that must've been a really crazy thing to go from, uh, that amount of pressure and all those things. And then, and then to come into this where it's like these other guys kind of get it. They're,

they're part of it and they're, you know, doing things that probably aren't, aren't appropriate either. You know, I think the only other athlete that even has a chance to make it like a comeback story or had a chance, I should say,

uh, like tiger would be Lance Armstrong, you know, but even, but even he, you know, when he finally but even he, you know, when he finally admitted to everything, everyone kind of was like back,

not back on board, but you know, they were like, at least, you know, kind of celebrating the fact that he did apologize. Yeah. I forgot all about that.

Yeah. But his was a little different cause he was like suing people and like being a dick. Yeah. His situation was pretty weird. Yeah. Muhammad Ali's story is amazing. You know, like he, he really went through a lot when the country was.

That's right. You know, very resistant to, um, very resistant to just all this stuff he was doing. Like he, he, uh, didn't, didn't go to war and like, yeah. Yeah. And, but he, he, uh, gave up his belt. He's certain he He did his time. And he came back. And when he came back, the American public actually really,

I mean, they spent a ton of money on going to his events. And, you know, I don't think they had pay-per-use back then. But, like, a lot of people wanted to see him fight. They wanted to see him do well. Yeah. And a lot of things, uh, a lot of things changed from that point on, but you know,

he, he had to, uh, he had to be at it for fucking 20 years before he can get, you know, uh, some, some people to appreciate what he was doing really,

you know? Yeah. That's a guy that seems to just like, love what he did to like, like an athlete that like, yeah, there was a, he did, he probably did have a chip on his shoulder, but he just seemed all the time when he was fighting to actually just enjoy it, to actually be happy when he was doing it. And that's like,

I think that's kind of like the goal with whatever you're doing to be happy as you're doing it to actually have that kind of interest at it. You bring up a great point that that would be somebody that you'd want to be around, you know, would you rather be around that guy or would you rather be around the ferocious savage that like all he does is focus in on the sport and that's like all they know. And they just,

they just know how to like destroy people and they're given sport. It's cool. But it seemed like it'd be more fun to hang out with Muhammad Ali. Absolutely. Like that guy seemed like he can make anybody, uh, feel amazing. And he was so charismatic and had so much fucking energy. Yeah. He probably used like a lot of the pre-fight, you know, trash talking as his motivator to,

you know, that's kind of like what McGregor used to do. Yeah. I mean, I, I, who knows if he even cared or he was just trying to sell tickets, but it just seems like if you're going to talk all this shit, like you're going to have to back it up. Like at that point, you know, if you don't, you look like a chump. Yeah. Which is kind of, you know, I hope we get that Connor back. Makes it fun.

No, I like. No, I like Monk Connor. I definitely I'm with you. I do like this version of Connor. It's just Monk Connor can be great. Yeah. It's just. Monk Connor can be great. Yeah. Call him Monk Connor. He can be great.

Tom Brady heading into his 10th Super Bowl appearance. That makes him the greatest. I feel like even if he doesn't win, that just makes him the greatest. Well, I mean, if you like, again, I don't pay that much attention anymore. But like if whatever the difference in teams but you know belichick were you know right you know they who knows like oh is it belichick is it tom brady i was like well he's going back to the super bowl and someone else is not right boom it's it's pretty uh pretty amazing i mean tom brady can be considered you know one of the greatest uh

american athletes ever. Right. You'd have to put them in that, in that category. It's hard because then you start getting into different sports and it's like, who's to say what's tougher or what's harder, but there's, you have to think like so many kids, I mean, there's, there's literally areas in the United States where kids are born with a football in their hand. And there's somewhere in Ohio where they like put a football in their crib. And so a lot of people are gunning for that sport. And so you can make an argument and say,

well, look with millions upon millions. And now it's different because of all the head injuries and stuff, but with millions and millions of people gunning for that sport, it would make sense that that sport would be one of the hardest. Again, part of the thing, genius thing with Tiger Woods

was him playing golf. His dad seemed like he loved golf. His dad actually looked like he was a badass golfer. That's an interesting thing to get your kid to play. And if you were thinking about your kid getting a scholarship or your kid doing something great in a particular sport, yeah, you would want to think of something kind of unconventional that maybe not everybody does maybe it's you know tennis or maybe it's you know whatever it might be um but yeah brady's got to be

considered one of the greatest uh greatest american athletes ever put him up there with phelps and whomever else like that's jordan let me ask you guys this does with what tom has done like getting to that super bowl if he wins like that that in and of itself in and of itself is just like insane but i feel like as far as an athlete like he's ahead of maybe the greatness of jordan like am i wrong in that assessment? Yeah, he might be. Because, like, what he's, how many Super Bowls has he won? Well, he's won six, I think.

Six, right? Damn. And this is his 10th one. And, I mean, okay, the Buccaneers, when's the last time they made a Super Bowl appearance? Do we know this? 2000 or so. It would be,. I'm just going to guess 2002. I'm going to look it up.

See how close I was. Yo, like this man. But other than that, they're one of the worst franchises. They're one of the worst franchises in all of sports, not just football. Yeah. Worst franchises in all of sports. They used to be called the Succoneers. This is like LeBron taking Cleveland and winning a championship.

Oh man, I hope Tom Brady wins this. 2003. I really hope he wins this. Because I feel like that, as an athlete, that is literally another level versus every other great athlete in history. I would think they're flip-flopped

from the last time they were at the Super Bowl. I do think that Tom Brady's appearance, in comparison to Jordan's appearance, would make people a little reluctant to say... We can't call him an athlete. Yeah, greatest sportsman? I don't know. Damn, that two-plus-and-three Buccaneers team was incredible. Tom Brady actually is incredibly athletic. He's not very fast,

but he can, he can do all this shit to get the job done. You know, just, he can move just enough. And then he's, his intelligence on the field is just crazy, but he also,

he's scored a lot. He scores a lot of touchdowns himself. Cause he's like amazing at just doing a quarterback sneak, which is a weird thing to be good at. But he, and Tom Brady's also huge. I remember there was a game against the Jets years ago, and Tom Brady threw an interception, and the Jets guy got in Tom Brady's face,

and Tom Brady just chucked the guy. And I was like, holy shit. Because the guy was like, I mean, Tom Brady's like 6'4", or 6'5". Oh, really? Yeah, he's big. Oh, I didn't know he was that big. Probably 220, holy shit. Because the guy was like, I mean, Tom Brady's like 6'4". Oh, really? Yeah, he's big. Oh, I didn't know he was that big. Probably 220, 215. Like, he's got some size to him.

Wow. Yeah, he's a mutant. I didn't realize he was that big. Okay, that kind of reshapes things. Because when I see pictures of Tom Brady, he just looks like, you know, your typical 40-year-old dad. Yeah. Well, and he's done a great job getting in better shape over the years, too. Like there's that photo of him when he got drafted and he just kind of looks like a mess.

His shoulders are all forward and he just has like zero muscle mass. I don't know what his training looks like, but he definitely looks like he's a lot leaner now. Looks like he's a lot better shape now and looks like lifting and stuff like that has become a huge part of his uh of his life but there's a lot of guys that are like tom brady where they don't even really lift or pay that much attention to lifting until they're way down the road in their career it's like how do you like jordan you know jordan's another example i don't think he really lifted much until he was on the bulls for five or six years yeah that's that's like how do you become a pro athlete and not have resistance training be a big part of it it almost makes me a little bit sad because i'm just like i'm almost like what could maybe

what you've done before yeah right like well like first off yeah but what what if you did that a little bit earlier what if you just started doing a little bit of resistance training a little bit earlier what kind of crazy mutant would you be? Or some of those guys who just never did it throughout their whole career? Because there's some guys like that. I do have to apologize to Jerry Rice. His name just popped in my head and we can't forget about how ridiculously amazing he was. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. And he also came back to the Bay Area and played for the Raiders and still crushed it. Yeah. He's my favorite NFL player ever. He's fucking great. Take us on out of here, Andrew. I will. Thank you everybody for checking out today's episode. Shout out to everybody on the

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Something I just heard the other day. So this says, good hearts law is a measure. It says a measure ceases to become a good measure when it becomes the target. A measure ceases to become a good measure when it becomes the target. And I think that kind of falls in line with my try not type of stuff. You know, when you start to have, when you're, when you're, when you, when you are trying to lose weight and you're trying to do all these different things and you, you have this, you're, you're measuring your food or you're measuring your body weight every day and you

become so obsessed with it. And that's, that's the main thing that you're focused on. You're no longer focused on all the habits and you're not focused on the habits will carry you everywhere you want to go. You know? So if you, if you stick to the habits, you're,

you're going to get to where you're trying to go to strength is never weakness. Weakness is never a strength. Catch you guys later.